Josh Pate On "GAP" Between P4 & G5 Teams (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- College Football 2024 is right around the corner. On Late Kick Live Ep 510 Josh Pate discussed some of the most popular talking points surrounding G5 teams and how wide the gap is between them and their P4 counterparts. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Why are we talking about P4 as if the gap between the SEC / B1G & the big 12 /acc isn’t equally as substantial
Remember that Clemson was national champions repeatedly not so long ago....
TCU beat Michigan who beat Ohio State, who was a missed field goal away from beating Georgia, who murdered TCU... anything can happen on any given saturday
The Post Spring transfer window needs to go. After spring camp you are supposed to know what you have and be able to plan accordingly for fall camp and the season. But now spring camp means nothing. Half of your team may transfer after spring camp. You have no idea for sure until the dust settles. Half the players you thought might have some kind of role might be gone before fall camp. It's ridiculous. I think there should be only ONE window. And that's a window that opens up AFTER the last season ends. And it should close a few days; maybe a week, before National Signing Day. So after National Signing Day you know what you are going to have for the upcoming season.
Great reporting as always, eye opening and interesting intel. Keep up the great work JP.
I’d like to see the statistics of P4 top half versus P4 bottom half and who lost/gained more. You can speak to quality there too, so what.. do you relegate the bottom half because they are being treated the same as the G5? Slippery slope here. And also, I would like to see the margin of victory per year for the past decade when G5s take on P5/P4 teams. I would venture to believe that the gap is thinning.
If anyone wants to argue there’s not a significant gap between the top P5 teams and top G5 teams then why are G5 victories over P5 teams always viewed as upsets? Not just by sports media but by pretty much all of college football? Because the G5 doesn’t have the resources to convince people that they can actually compete at the top. Like has a G5 team ever beaten a playoff team since its inception?
Nice straw man. No one's arguing that G5 is better than P4. The question is about how big the gap is.
@@HolidayTact you sure? Cause I got a lot of people using scores to argue how G5 teams like Kent State are better than like Oregon because they played Georgia “Closer”
@@HolidayTactgap is very sizable because when is the last time a g5 team has beat a team that FINISHED inside the top 5 since they will be the 12 seed playing against the 5 seed😂
@@yoc329 2016 Houston beat #3 Oklahoma.....
@@belowaveragedudewithanopin2249 The claim that the P4 is undeniably better than the G5 runs into some serious flaws when you look at teams at the top of the G5. You brought up Kent State vs Oregon. Fair - Kent State is far off historically. But you cant make that argument against a program like Boise State whose literally 4-0 all time against Oregon and 1-1 vs Georgia...
Some of these programs in the G5 used to play in conferences that are the P4. The University of Tulane has more SEC conference titles than 9 TEAMS in that conference - so it look funky af to say Miss State or Vandy is clearly better than Tulane because over 120 years thats not true....
1/3 of the SEC, Big10, ACC, and Big12 belong in the G5. It just is what it is.
If you are a P-4 team and you have App. State on your schedule, then you should be preparing for them as if they were OSU or Georgia.
App State is always a strong team even at the FCS level dating back to the late 90s, early 00s. Never an automatic win.
I looked at regular season games against P5 + ND since 2017. App State is 3-6. Georgia is 62-5. Ohio State is 61-7. You should actually be more prepared for App State, not because they're better, but because you have a better chance of losing to them than of beating Georgia or Ohio State.
It's only a matter of time before the SEC and B1G spin themselves off. They've already started with talk of paying players.
But where are we measuring the “gap” from? Are the P4 schools that have a real shot to win their conferences better than your average G5 school? Absolutely, Atlantic Ocean sized gap there. But if you look at the bottom third of the P4 and the top third of the G5, there’s no gap there’s an overlap of competitive programs. Example: No real college football fan would tell you Vandy(P4) is a better program than JMU(G5). Look I’m bias, I love watching P4. But I’m realistic enough to know that +60% of the P4 would be favored in a matchup over 100% of the G5. But it really grinds my gears when P4 bottom feeders(mainly their fans) act like they’re better than all of the G5 just because they are in a power conference.
Vandy would crush them in baseball. 🙂
@@tepatrilee3009 100% agree...but i was referring exclusively to football as that's what this channel is about🙃
I get what you're saying and you make fair points. A really good G5 can be better than a low end P4 for sure, and it happens often. But even in your example, on most years over the last 10 years would JMU be favored by Vegas over Vandy on a neutral field? I'm not so sure they would be, maybe I'm wrong.
Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and Oregon took less than 5 transfers, combined, from G5 schools. They're raiding P4 (+ Pac 12) schools.
The group of 5 should be separate from the “power4”
Brian from Pensacola writes… What about the gap between the power 2 and everyone else. Say FSU, Clemson, and Miami leave the ACC for SEC/B1G. The next most recent team to win the natty (or a share of)… Colorado… 34 years ago. If Notre Dame ends up in the P2 along with the three already mentioned, who else from the Big 12 or what’s left of the ACC is really going to compete at that level in Football. UNC, UVA and maybe a couple of others also bring dollar value. I do enjoy watching games involving Kansas or Arizona State and many others too. But the reality is we are a wave or two or realignment away from the only schools contending for a title residing in two significantly better funded conferences… and all others exploring options for another trophy.
The gap is quantifiable by comparing OSU to Indiana, Illionois, NW, Purdue, M state, Rutgers, etc.... so yes, most of the small 10 should be G5.
Lil bro hasn't watched the B10 in the past 3 years if he thinks any of those teams outside of NW have been "G5 worthy." And they were coming off of multiple scandals as well. But I'm pretty sure this was a hyperbolic troll so idk why I even put a few sentences of effort in to posterize this nonsense but oh well lol
The same applies for most of the big 12 also including Iowa State
Laughs in Kentucky Mississippi state Florida vandy Arkansas South Carolina Texas ATM etc... seems the sec has plenty "g5" teams according to your logic too
@@jeffreyprice9790 all of those teams u named are beating the teams I named
@@greenwave819 except they're not 🤣. You're really just saying some ish.
Oregon beat Liberty
VA tech beat Tulane
Boston College beat SMU
p4 teams > elite g5 teams
Vandy beat Rutgers!
Tulane’s starting QB and most of the offense didn’t play that game. Bowl games can’t be an example anymore for P5 is better than G5 or G5 is better than P5 because of the opt outs.
@@jacksonperry8283well their negative record against p4 teams can be used as reason as why they are worse
Boise State has positive records against all 3 of those P4 teams......
And the ACC/Big 12 have a resource gap with the SEC & B10. Are they still not playing the same sport? The bottom of the B10 and SEC have no chance at winning a national title, are they not playing the same sport. The G5 is 4-5 NY6 games, based on Josh's analysis you would assume they never won game.
There is a resource gap, and the changes won't be felt overnight. However, in 10 to 20+ years... that 400M to 800M gap will be obvious, especially when you can revenue share. Your logic doesn't hold up about the bottom of the B1G & SEC having no chance of winning a national title for multiple reasons. For one, Ole Miss is viewed as a lower tier SEC team, and they have a very real shot at a title. For another, the bottom of the NFL has no shot of winning the Superbowl... are you inferring because they have no shot that they shouldn't be in the NFL? The difference between the P5 and G5 was that if a P5 were to go undefeated and/or with their conference, then they would, without a doubt, have a shot in the 4 team playoff. This is why FSU is so mad. As you know, that's not the case for the G5. In 20+ years of things stay the same, a similar scenario will apply between the S2 & P2. As far as your NY6 statement... what's the output ratio between the P5 and the G5 in those games? Look at UGA vs FSU in this last orange bowl. It's either FSU never deserved to be in the playoffs, or the outputs made a MASSIVE difference. Which one applies? FSU still made themselves a ring saying undefeated.
@@tremoore61the nfl proved fsu was more talented than uga this year
@SurferRC were you triggered by the FSU reference? Why is it people like you only address what you want to address? You pick and choose... now I know you're smart enough to know that you have to be eligible for the NFL draft, that a player just can't up and jump in the draft. Because you don't want to compare the last 3 draft classes to better determine where the talent is! Because that number would be FSU this year plus 2! 2! But maybe they had a young class, and they needed to become eligible. So let's look at 2021, 4. If anything, this is looking like a lightning in a bottle type year.
If I applied your logic, with Michigan having 13 drafted, Texas with 11, & Alabama & Washington also having 10. You can't be mad that FSU was left out! Because those teams (by your logic) were as good as FSU or better, and they had their starting QB's!
@@tremoore61 they were as talented and thats why the screw job was so atrocious. They lost, bama and texas multiple times, fsu did not, they were a better all around team. Sad we will never know the who the true champ was. Both teams they thought were better than fsu lost proving they werent better than fsu.
@SurferRC you are picking and choosing what you want to answer again. It's probably because you don't have a legitimate argument. You claimed FSU was better than UGA because of the draft picks (which i don't agree with), then i used YOUR OWN LOGIC to compare FSU with the other 4 playoff teams. And somehow, you still claim "they were as talented" without articulating how you came to that conclusion. Since you used the number of draft picks as your argument, that's simple to quantify. So that's 13,11,10,10,10... now one of those #10's don't have their starting QB. So, 10 minus whatever value you give a starting QB! It's not hard, and whatever the value is, it'll equal less than 10, even if it's 9.8. But I'm not here for FSU. You're jumping in, creating a distraction so brandon can keep quiet. Because he can't articulate his argument either.
This is never gonna happen. Because those making the most money aren’t going to give it up. But what will be best for college football is spreading the money around evenly, and giving all the schools a shot to win it all. That would get rid of the gap. But again, never gonna happen. Which is unfortunate. Because it would get rid of the gap, create a lot more interest all around the country, and it is what is best for the sport. If I had my way, that is what I would do.
Do we really wanna see another school go on an Alabama dynasty run. Or would this be better.
I wish Bama PUT IT ON Cincinnati in 2021 so everyone could know the truth. I’m talking 65-7. The only time G5 teams win bowl games is when the P5 team doesn’t wanna be there. Props to Oregon for wanting to be there last year.
Exactly, when Boise State beat Oklahoma it was the biggest game in Boise State history. It was the 500th biggest game in Oklahoma history.
That’s always the excuse. “G5 wins but P5 didn’t want to be there” it’s ridiculous.
@@kevinbond8966 Funny how it was the biggest game in Boise State history, yet Boise State literally played a HIGHER RANKED TEAM in a bowl 2004 (vs #5 Louisville in the Poinsetta bowl - yeah you dont seem to grasp how bad the G5 got shafted in the BCS era).
You act like it was a big game because they played Oklahoma - in reality it was a big game because Boise State didnt get shafted and actually got to play in a BCS bowl (they went undefeated in 2002 - but G5 teams werent even allowed to play in BCS bowls until 04, and in 2004 they went undefeated, but werent the highest ranked G5 team, so they didnt make a BCS bowl).
"The only time G5 teams win bowl games is when the P5 team doesn’t wanna be there"
So you think that Oklahoma didnt want to showup for the last game that Adrian Peterson ever played in his college career? What are you smoking crack?
You think the reason Pittsburg lost to Utah 7-35 was because Pitt didnt want to be there? Bro Utah had the #1 NFL Draft Pick - in a future 13 year career starting NFL QB in Alex Smith. Utah beat 4 P5 teams in the OOC schedule that season 177-73, won all games by 17 points or more and never trailed in a single quarter of any game they ever played..... I dont think you understand what happened in that game.
You think the reason Alabama lost to Utah 14-31 was because Bama didnt want to be there? Maybe the reason they got BLOWN OUT..... But wtf, Bama had ZERO BUSINESS even being in the top 10. Look up that GARBAGE A$$ schedule they played..... They were the only team in the top 10 to not beat a Top 12 or better team. That team was CRAZY OVERRATED. And they seriously walked into a game vs a team with 4 Top 25 wins and thought they should be able to destroy them?
You think the reason Wisconsin lost to TCU 19-21 was because Wisconsin didnt want to be there? First of all every single player on both rosters played in that game. Second of all - you wanna talk about not wanting to be there? You pansy a$$ P4 supporters talk about how you get snubbed - motherf&cker you dont know pain like 2010 TCU.....
- Oh did you have BACK to BACK UNDEFEATED SEASONS? (didnt think so)
- Did you beat 5 Top 25 teams? (didnt think so)
- Did you have a Top 4 offense averaging 40+ in 85% of games and dropping 60 on P4 opponents? (didnt think so)
- Did you have BACK TO BACK #1 ranked defenses in the country? (didnt think so)
- Did you shutout 4 teams 164-0? (didnt think so)
- Did you prevent 50% of your opponents from even scoring a TD against you? (didnt think so)
- Was your closest game all season a 9 point win over a Top 25 team? (didnt think so)
- Did you beat 3 Top 20 teams by 30+ points? (didnt think so)
- Did you beat 2 Top 15 teams by 35+ points? (didnt think so)
- Did you beat 1 Top 10 on the road by 40 points? (F*CK NO YOU DIDNT)
- Did you average a 31+ margin of victory per game? (F*CK NO YOU DIDNT)
- Did your team have 12 future NFL Draft Picks including a future ALL Pro NFL QB who won playoff games in the NFL?
- Did you team do all of this in a season and get snubbed? SO WTF ARE YOU POSSIBLY CRYING ABOUT?!!!
Saban knew Alabama was too much for Cincinnati from the opening snap. Alabama took the ball to start the game and didn't attempt a pass until 9:51 left in the 1st quarter, which was for an 8 yard TD. Before that Alabama ran the ball 10 consecutive times. With 47 rushing attempts and 301 rushing yards, Alabama was manhandling Cincinnati. It didn't get out of hand because Saban wasn't trying run it up on an inferior opponent. Saban pulled Brian Robinson, who already had 200 yards rushing himself and was (averaging!) 7.8 yards per carry, earlier in the 4th quarter. He still won by 3 touchdowns 27-6.
They need 2 leagues. That way the crappy teams can play for their own playoff spots. Then the top teams. Top 20 or whatever have their own league. Idk.
There's a huge gap. it's
Teir 1: Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Florida State
Teir 2: Oregon, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan, Tennessee, LSU
Tier 3: Penn State, Utah, Texas A&M, Missouri, Oklahoma State, kansas State, Louisville, Clemson
Everone else
LOL Ryan Day not a tier 1 coach.
You must be a Noles fan. There is no way FSU is tier 1
@@OnlyNikeFans 🤣🤣 True.
@@JJ-yx6jy tier 1 teams don’t lose 63-3 to other tier 1 teams even when some starters sit. They didn’t have depth, shows exactly why they aren’t a tier 1 team lol 😂 right?
@@OnlyNikeFans ??? I'm agreeing with you.
Middle of the pack SEC/ACC/Big12/B10 are the same of the G5. The teams at the top will always be the teams at the top.
even the g5 has a losing record against those middle of the pack teams so that means even more of a gap😂 thing is why not get your own playoff while still playing the 1/2 p4 teams u play in regular season
@@yoc329 just give me some stats. What I said was not wrong, Walmart-Alabama fan.
@@jacksonperry8283 stats are g5 is 93-351 in the last 5 years against p5 opponents. u can also go watch josh pate g5 video on this same channel from 8 days ago around the 7:20 mark to see how wide the gap is 🤣
So uga and bama were good before saban and smart!? Lol you clueless
@@SurferRC what? I can see your bias. They’re both historic SEC programs who have a history of winning.
Go Noles! 13 dubs and 10 draft picks! And apparently 0 balls to play UGA! Read replies!
and 0 balls to play GA
@@greenwave819uga was less talented quit crying
@@greenwave819It’s impossible to reason with you guys. but I’ll try my best. To answer your comment, I will counter with this: if a 13-0 FSU squad is so frightened to play UGA, then how on Earth would an FCS opponent have the balls to play them? Furthermore, why would FSU players be frightened to play Georgia when not playing them ensures certain failure. I’m just trying to reason, likely unsuccessfully. You needed a reason to hate FSU. Hold on to it.
Isn’t it the G6 now cuz Osu and Wsu are still part of the pac 2