Hey, um I don't even go here. I play country chickin pickin. I just wanted to say, I've never seen a gear review do things this scientifically. A purely technical approach to a pedal shoot out is so refreshing. Not a flowery adjective in sight. The graphs. The table on the left to keep us all on task. That's how you do shit.
Also not a metal guitarist. I’m a psychedelic guitarist of 30 years- Imagine Dave Gilmour’s playing got it on with Mark Knopfler’s playing and Buck Dharma’s playing, and the offspring came out mildly retarded. I run a front end pedal board containing 18-20 pedals, plus an effects loop containing a chorus, a delay, and a GE-7 EQ. Noise is a MAJOR issue. I just wanted to agree, however, that this is likely the most detailed, useful, and data-rich pedal shoot-out I’ve ever encountered, and you couldn’t have chosen a better category of pedal to give this type of analysis. Kudos, mate. Subscribed if only to support this quality of content-even if you never make another video what applies to me (though you probably will. Just because my music is aimed at folks on acid doesn’t mean that there isn’t a time and place on a trip to kick out the jams… besides: Don’t tell anyone, but Jerry Cantrell is also in roughly my top 6 to 8 guitarists.
Lichtlaerm Audio, the key and the gate, noise gate. one knob, set forget. does not ruin your cleans, its as if it is off. reacts to your playing. lead playing shines through. best noise gate on the planet ! made by a metalhead for metalheads. built in volume/signal booster, if required, evens out your effects loop if needed, or increase a few decibels for long cable runs or just because you can. I'll never look back.
I was looking at this but as I am just a home player I couldn’t justify the cost. Ended up with a Sentry and it works great for what I do. If I had more of a budget though, the Lichtlaerm would have been my choice.
Honestly, one of the best reviews of anything guitar related I've ever seen on UA-cam. Fantastic job not only presenting the information in a highly effective way, but also showing a deep understanding of what you were testing. Thank you for making an ACTUAL review and not just a sales pitch like 99% of the gear related channels on here.
In terms of review structure, clarity of information, supporting visuals, this review is absolutely amazing and sets a benchmark for me across a sea of bs online. Definitely subscribed, amazing work!
I appreciate the insane amount of work that went on tho this detailed analysis. The decimator wasn't stoked where I live. i wound up getting the Centry. i am very happy with it.
Actually there's a hidden mode on the Boss NS2. Plug it in as normal, set it to mute, disengage the pedal, and you'll see the reduction light is still on but you're signal is still coming through, and then you'll also notice the difference in how it gates the signal, the normal way is better but I found this method completely by accident. Hope this helps
Thanks for the amazing shout-out, very objective, evaluating relevant parameters and results in an appropriate way, with valuable graphics. Definitely one of the best reviews !
Thank you for doing the work here. I didn't get much from the silencer, so, I left gates out of my sound. The clean trigger concept never occurred to me. I'll be dusting the ehx off to see if it was judged prematurely.🤘
What an amazing video thanks so much man. I ended up buying a Boss NS2 today, tried it out in the store and it works perfectly for what I need (4 cable method)
Excellent video, really showed us what was needed & more! I have a Decimator which is great for what I do, but the on/off switch broke so I had to but a Silencer quickly 2nd hand, a lot more fiddly but still did the job, just cut the feel a bit short, but I think with a bit more tweaking, will be fine... but I miss my Decimator to be honest, waiting for them to get back from NAMM to send me a new on/off switch!
Ibanez just brought out the Pentatone Gate. One knob and a switch for very high noise. It has the 4 jack system with an in/out and an in/out to loop in the noise source. The price is $100.00 USD.
One of those things when you go out and buy the ISP decimator because you hear good things... Then you check reviews after the fact in wonder if that buyer's remorse that kicked in is accurate 😅 G string II faired well enough to tame the noise for me!
ISP is from the original godfather of noise reduction. The founder and designer of ISP was the inventor and founder the famous Rocktron Hush systems of the 80's and early 90's. ISP is good stuff.
I have tried the silencer (no good), the MXR (also no good and I'm a MXR fan-boy so was pretty bummed) and then used a NS2 for years (which was OK). Finally, I latched onto Stone Deaf FX "Noise Reaper". Unbelievably good - similar to the ISP in that it only has one knob but works very very well indeed (in the FX loop). As I tend to mostly play single coil Teles into an Orange Rockerverb 50, I was keen to reduce or eliminate the hiss as much as possible. Noise Reaper works perfectly. Great comparison and this objectively proved to me my anecdotal findings on the ones I had used in the past.
Arcade audio noise gate actually is a very popular one. Well, not particularly arcade audio's one. The thing is that exactly the same gates are sold under many brand's names such as donner, mooer, rowin etc.
I found two used ns2 guitar -> input1 -> output1 -> pedals -> amp -> mic. -> mic. Pre-amp -> return2 -> output2 -> digital fx unit -> wet stereo. Trick is: send1 -> input2 and the two ns2 will cooperate and reduce noise on dry amp and eliminate feedback and reduce noise on wet section.
Input2 is sort of just a ‘sense input’ because send2 is not used and input2 is therefore cut off the signal chain. Although that send2 signal can be used in studio as a clean track for re-amp maybe?
Hi, I recently helped my friend Nick compare 22 gates, and we are working to at 8 more gates for a grand total of at least 30 gates. I like your test measurement, but I wonder how it compares to the other video test method? We published a spreadsheet with our findings. I would be willing to give read access so we can compare your testing to ours...
I am a bass player with a solid state amp and no effects loop, but I’ve got a tube compressor with the gain dimed, a drive, and a boost, all of which introduce a ton of a feedback and noise. I’ve been using a Deci-Mate at the end of my tiny pedalboard’s signal chain, right in front of the amp, but I haven’t been happy with the tracking/response time on higher threshold settings as it seems to choke the notes out, if I don’t set it JUST right it sounds like my preamp battery is dying. Not sure where I’m gonna go from here as none of these seem ideal for my uses, or at least not enough to drop over a hundred dollars on as an experiment.
Im pretty certain that the ISP has noise reduction as well. Meaning that when the gate opens, it filters hiss and 60 cycle hum from the flowing signal. This is a feature going all the way back to the HUSH noise reduction devices of Rocktron. Buck Waller being high up in both of these companies, taking care of us guitarists for decades. Maybe other pedals have NR as well?
This got me curious so I tried the Ibanez PT Gate. I've got that on my board now, I felt like I got a wider dynamic range than the Zuul. Plus trigger light
Wow what a great Video in a Time where i actually needed to decide which Gate i want or need! Im going for the Sentry. But i have a question. My Setup is mostly pure digital using a HX Stomp. I want a Gate Pedal so i can have more then the maximal effects on my HX. Meaning, I go Guitar In HX Stomp -> (FXloop) FXsend to OD Pedal into Gate Pedal to FXreturn -> HX Distortions -> HX Clean Amp -> Some HX Delays Reverbs -> HX IR Meanwhile still using the HX build in global Gate which doesnt have such good attack. I want to do this so i can disable the FXloop (which will have the Gate and an OverDrive) and the HX-Distortion to get a Clean Tone. So i can disable the OD and Gate with only a Press on the HX which turns the FX loop on and off. And i also can have my Bass setup by just not using the FX loop. You think i can use the Sentry like this? Like, Clean Guitar from FX Send into sentry, out to OD, back into Sentry back into FXreturn? Great Video man. Very well Made !
If you're the player who always complains about how a gate changes your amps tone, seriously consider dialing in your amp with the gate on. (Can't believe I had to post this)
As someone who deals with SEVERE noise issues at home, a noise gate shootout is woefully incomplete without what I believe to be the best guitar noise mitigation product on the market: the ISP Hum Extractor + Decimator. It's unreal. Seriously, try it (I'm also happy to address any questions anyone may have)!
I've a question. My amp is noisy AF and it's driving me wild. Recently have an OX box and was hoping to be able to have the same noise, but with my amp. I actually think it's more to do with my amp itself...but I honestly would appreciate any tips you have.
@@mofongotron I'm thinking it's probably just my amp. Have tried from different plugs about the place. I have a US amp in Aus so have a step down transformer. Not sure what sort of impact that would have. Will try another transformer next week. Think I need a noise gate. Thanks for your reply
I HAVE A friedman jj jr. its high gain and i have a old house with dirty electricity. i dont run any pedals right now except for a wah and tuner. now on the gain channel she hisses really hard even without a guitar connected. fortunately i the amp has an effects loop. which should i go with , tc sentry or the isp gstring?????????????????????????????????????????
But one question: why you didn't try the toneprint mode on the Sentry ? And maybe check how it goes designing the parameters to your needs and prefernces ?
the video was intended as an out of the box experience. i don't think it should be necessary to get your phone out to adjust a noise gate. with other pedals like delays, reverbs, and choruses it makes sense.
@@ManBunMetalHead actually what i meant is that it has a 3 positions switch, one of those is "toneprint" where something is already loaded from the factory (don't need your phone). Since it is an analog but digitally controlled device, with multiband gate (so actually it is 3 gates in one) the app could be useful to try ... but i understand your intention. I have some toneprints pedals (delay reverb and chorus) but never loaded nothing in the toneprint slot. So i understand you ... but the switch in that position sometimes may happen :-) But your review still is the best i've ever seen.
High gain on bass? I am getting annoying noise when I play notes that have a loud harmonic (like on the 5th fret). My left hand muting isn't enough to stop it. I am working on my right hand muting, but when I play fast runs, I can't mute it. What pedal would you recommend?
i don't have any experience using noise gates on bass, but the decimator II would probably work good. The Darkglass NSG is specifically made for bass, so that might be something worth looking into.
I turn a lot my volume pot on the guitar to get clean sounds and in between… Does the BOSS work for that or does it cut off the signal when turning down the volume pot? Which one can handle that?
Honestly, a gate affects that quite a bit. I use a Sentry now, and it's a bit better about it than the NS2 or Silencer, but it will definitely cut your signal tails faster the lower you set your volume. What I do instead is use a volume pedal in the loop of the gate. Basically, the gate reads the full signal of the clean guitar to know where to close the gate, the volume pedal affects how much of that signal goes into the next effect just like a volume pot on the guitar, but the gate only cuts volume based on original the input signal. That's how I use a fuzz as an overdrive with a noise gate, and I can use the volume pedal almost like a gain knob for it.
I can't believe you didn't toss a Behringer NR300 in the mix. Would have been the cheapest pedal in the bunch and most of their stuff is Boss clones anyway 😂
@@boimesa8190 that and the power supply is not compatible with most of the modern Cioks and alike power supplies I had to use a separate ac10 Cioks power supply on my board just for that. Switched to the Revv G8 and when using single coils I have Emg’s now so I don’t have to worry about hum like before. Still a great gate/hum pedal though.
Hey, um I don't even go here. I play country chickin pickin. I just wanted to say, I've never seen a gear review do things this scientifically. A purely technical approach to a pedal shoot out is so refreshing. Not a flowery adjective in sight. The graphs. The table on the left to keep us all on task. That's how you do shit.
Also not a metal guitarist. I’m a psychedelic guitarist of 30 years- Imagine Dave Gilmour’s playing got it on with Mark Knopfler’s playing and Buck Dharma’s playing, and the offspring came out mildly retarded.
I run a front end pedal board containing 18-20 pedals, plus an effects loop containing a chorus, a delay, and a GE-7 EQ. Noise is a MAJOR issue.
I just wanted to agree, however, that this is likely the most detailed, useful, and data-rich pedal shoot-out I’ve ever encountered, and you couldn’t have chosen a better category of pedal to give this type of analysis.
Kudos, mate. Subscribed if only to support this quality of content-even if you never make another video what applies to me (though you probably will. Just because my music is aimed at folks on acid doesn’t mean that there isn’t a time and place on a trip to kick out the jams… besides: Don’t tell anyone, but Jerry Cantrell is also in roughly my top 6 to 8 guitarists.
Lichtlaerm Audio, the key and the gate, noise gate. one knob, set forget. does not ruin your cleans, its as if it is off. reacts to your playing. lead playing shines through. best noise gate on the planet ! made by a metalhead for metalheads. built in volume/signal booster, if required, evens out your effects loop if needed, or increase a few decibels for long cable runs or just because you can. I'll never look back.
I was looking at this but as I am just a home player I couldn’t justify the cost. Ended up with a Sentry and it works great for what I do. If I had more of a budget though, the Lichtlaerm would have been my choice.
I have it... And like over 10 other gates.
SENTRY, if you know how to edit it, completely mops the floor with everything.
Honestly, one of the best reviews of anything guitar related I've ever seen on UA-cam. Fantastic job not only presenting the information in a highly effective way, but also showing a deep understanding of what you were testing. Thank you for making an ACTUAL review and not just a sales pitch like 99% of the gear related channels on here.
In terms of review structure, clarity of information, supporting visuals, this review is absolutely amazing and sets a benchmark for me across a sea of bs online. Definitely subscribed, amazing work!
I ended up with the TC Sentry - works really well for me
just ordered one myself and had a 20% off discount . definetly going to use the 4 cable method. how are you liking yours so far>>>>>>>>>>>?
I bought the Gdecimator ll because of your recommendation years ago, and i don't regret, this pedal is awesome
I appreciate the insane amount of work that went on tho this detailed analysis. The decimator wasn't stoked where I live. i wound up getting the Centry. i am very happy with it.
Actually there's a hidden mode on the Boss NS2.
Plug it in as normal, set it to mute, disengage the pedal, and you'll see the reduction light is still on but you're signal is still coming through, and then you'll also notice the difference in how it gates the signal, the normal way is better but I found this method completely by accident. Hope this helps
Thanks for the amazing shout-out, very objective, evaluating relevant parameters and results in an appropriate way, with valuable graphics. Definitely one of the best reviews !
Thank you for doing the work here. I didn't get much from the silencer, so, I left gates out of my sound. The clean trigger concept never occurred to me. I'll be dusting the ehx off to see if it was judged prematurely.🤘
What an amazing video thanks so much man. I ended up buying a Boss NS2 today, tried it out in the store and it works perfectly for what I need (4 cable method)
Every pedal review should be like this one !!
Thank you !!
Noise Decimator has been my go to since I started playing guitar in 2012. Took 13 years before a part actually broke, the power input jack popped in.
Thanks man. It's nice to see the Sentry did well in this shoot out because it's the only one noise gate that I have 😅😅..
Excellent video, really showed us what was needed & more! I have a Decimator which is great for what I do, but the on/off switch broke so I had to but a Silencer quickly 2nd hand, a lot more fiddly but still did the job, just cut the feel a bit short, but I think with a bit more tweaking, will be fine... but I miss my Decimator to be honest, waiting for them to get back from NAMM to send me a new on/off switch!
I think your testing was spot on and my EHX Silencer is going bye bye tonight
You didn't like the EHX? I'm looking to buy a noise gate and thought about the Revv G8
Great video, thanks for the info. I love the Pigtronix Gate Keeper Micro. Small footprint and very effective
Wow, that was a VERY well made Video! Thank you!
Fantastic video!
Best review I have ever seen about Anything
Ibanez just brought out the Pentatone Gate. One knob and a switch for very high noise. It has the 4 jack system with an in/out and an in/out to loop in the noise source. The price is $100.00 USD.
Brilliant video bravo!
One of those things when you go out and buy the ISP decimator because you hear good things... Then you check reviews after the fact in wonder if that buyer's remorse that kicked in is accurate 😅 G string II faired well enough to tame the noise for me!
amazing job dude, one of the best review i ve ever seen. 👍👍👍
What an amazing review. Thank you!
Thanks for this. I bought a cheap noise gate and I hate it. This helps me make the right choice.
ISP is from the original godfather of noise reduction. The founder and designer of ISP was the inventor and founder the famous Rocktron Hush systems of the 80's and early 90's. ISP is good stuff.
I have tried the silencer (no good), the MXR (also no good and I'm a MXR fan-boy so was pretty bummed) and then used a NS2 for years (which was OK). Finally, I latched onto Stone Deaf FX "Noise Reaper". Unbelievably good - similar to the ISP in that it only has one knob but works very very well indeed (in the FX loop). As I tend to mostly play single coil Teles into an Orange Rockerverb 50, I was keen to reduce or eliminate the hiss as much as possible. Noise Reaper works perfectly. Great comparison and this objectively proved to me my anecdotal findings on the ones I had used in the past.
Very informative! I own the sentry!
Arcade audio noise gate actually is a very popular one. Well, not particularly arcade audio's one.
The thing is that exactly the same gates are sold under many brand's names such as donner, mooer, rowin etc.
Thanks for this, Needed a good one for studio use and high gain reamping
Awesome review, thank you!
Going into a power amp with just an input. The fortin zuul mini looks like the best one to go with.
What a Great video man , just one thing the Revv 8 should have been there! Keep going man!
Great video!!!
I found two used ns2
guitar -> input1 -> output1 -> pedals -> amp -> mic. -> mic. Pre-amp -> return2 -> output2 -> digital fx unit -> wet stereo.
Trick is: send1 -> input2 and the two ns2 will cooperate and reduce noise on dry amp and eliminate feedback and reduce noise on wet section.
Input2 is sort of just a ‘sense input’ because send2 is not used and input2 is therefore cut off the signal chain. Although that send2 signal can be used in studio as a clean track for re-amp maybe?
Hi, I recently helped my friend Nick compare 22 gates, and we are working to at 8 more gates for a grand total of at least 30 gates. I like your test measurement, but I wonder how it compares to the other video test method? We published a spreadsheet with our findings. I would be willing to give read access so we can compare your testing to ours...
I am a bass player with a solid state amp and no effects loop, but I’ve got a tube compressor with the gain dimed, a drive, and a boost, all of which introduce a ton of a feedback and noise. I’ve been using a Deci-Mate at the end of my tiny pedalboard’s signal chain, right in front of the amp, but I haven’t been happy with the tracking/response time on higher threshold settings as it seems to choke the notes out, if I don’t set it JUST right it sounds like my preamp battery is dying. Not sure where I’m gonna go from here as none of these seem ideal for my uses, or at least not enough to drop over a hundred dollars on as an experiment.
Excellent video!
THANK YOU FOR THIS
what a amazing quality.
Im pretty certain that the ISP has noise reduction as well. Meaning that when the gate opens, it filters hiss and 60 cycle hum from the flowing signal.
This is a feature going all the way back to the HUSH noise reduction devices of Rocktron. Buck Waller being high up in both of these companies, taking care of us guitarists for decades.
Maybe other pedals have NR as well?
I BELIEVE only their new unit (Hum Extractor + Decimator) actively filters 60 cycle hum (and its associated high order harmonics).
well done video 👍
I'm surprised about the Zuul too. The trigger light is super useful on stage though so it's staying on my board
This got me curious so I tried the Ibanez PT Gate. I've got that on my board now, I felt like I got a wider dynamic range than the Zuul. Plus trigger light
Good job! High quality content.
great review !!
You are awesome holy fk
Please do a review of ISP Decimator X 🙏🏻
Wow what a great Video in a Time where i actually needed to decide which Gate i want or need! Im going for the Sentry.
But i have a question.
My Setup is mostly pure digital using a HX Stomp. I want a Gate Pedal so i can have more then the maximal effects on my HX.
Meaning, I go Guitar In HX Stomp -> (FXloop) FXsend to OD Pedal into Gate Pedal to FXreturn -> HX Distortions -> HX Clean Amp -> Some HX Delays Reverbs -> HX IR
Meanwhile still using the HX build in global Gate which doesnt have such good attack.
I want to do this so i can disable the FXloop (which will have the Gate and an OverDrive) and the HX-Distortion to get a Clean Tone.
So i can disable the OD and Gate with only a Press on the HX which turns the FX loop on and off. And i also can have my Bass setup by just not using the FX loop.
You think i can use the Sentry like this? Like, Clean Guitar from FX Send into sentry, out to OD, back into Sentry back into FXreturn?
Great Video man. Very well Made !
You may be better off with a digital noise gate like the Boss ns1x.
Amazing review. Thorough as fuck. Thank you!
If you're the player who always complains about how a gate changes your amps tone, seriously consider dialing in your amp with the gate on. (Can't believe I had to post this)
13:10 18-20 khz often would be cut in a mix though
As someone who deals with SEVERE noise issues at home, a noise gate shootout is woefully incomplete without what I believe to be the best guitar noise mitigation product on the market: the ISP Hum Extractor + Decimator. It's unreal. Seriously, try it (I'm also happy to address any questions anyone may have)!
I've a question. My amp is noisy AF and it's driving me wild. Recently have an OX box and was hoping to be able to have the same noise, but with my amp.
I actually think it's more to do with my amp itself...but I honestly would appreciate any tips you have.
@@Squidz66 Possible ground loop? have you tried using the same amp somewhere else?
@@mofongotron I'm thinking it's probably just my amp. Have tried from different plugs about the place. I have a US amp in Aus so have a step down transformer. Not sure what sort of impact that would have. Will try another transformer next week. Think I need a noise gate. Thanks for your reply
I'll check out the hum extractor+decimator
Ooofff...that's expensive
I HAVE A friedman jj jr. its high gain and i have a old house with dirty electricity. i dont run any pedals right now except for a wah and tuner. now on the gain channel she hisses really hard even without a guitar connected.
fortunately i the amp has an effects loop.
which should i go with , tc sentry or the isp gstring?????????????????????????????????????????
But one question: why you didn't try the toneprint mode on the Sentry ?
And maybe check how it goes designing the parameters to your needs and prefernces ?
the video was intended as an out of the box experience. i don't think it should be necessary to get your phone out to adjust a noise gate. with other pedals like delays, reverbs, and choruses it makes sense.
@@ManBunMetalHead actually what i meant is that it has a 3 positions switch, one of those is "toneprint" where something is already loaded from the factory (don't need your phone).
Since it is an analog but digitally controlled device, with multiband gate (so actually it is 3 gates in one) the app could be useful to try ... but i understand your intention. I have some toneprints pedals (delay reverb and chorus) but never loaded nothing in the toneprint slot. So i understand you ... but the switch in that position sometimes may happen :-)
But your review still is the best i've ever seen.
High gain on bass? I am getting annoying noise when I play notes that have a loud harmonic (like on the 5th fret). My left hand muting isn't enough to stop it. I am working on my right hand muting, but when I play fast runs, I can't mute it. What pedal would you recommend?
i don't have any experience using noise gates on bass, but the decimator II would probably work good. The Darkglass NSG is specifically made for bass, so that might be something worth looking into.
Dude, do you have a patreon or something so I can throw some change in your tip jar? This is how you do a damn review right here!
Difference in the 18-20 kHz matters? After teenage you already start loosing that range of hearing to begin with.
Yeah i mean above 10k and I start cutting those frequencies.
Best one to get rid of p90 noise?
I turn a lot my volume pot on the guitar to get clean sounds and in between…
Does the BOSS work for that or does it cut off the signal when turning down the volume pot?
Which one can handle that?
Honestly, a gate affects that quite a bit. I use a Sentry now, and it's a bit better about it than the NS2 or Silencer, but it will definitely cut your signal tails faster the lower you set your volume. What I do instead is use a volume pedal in the loop of the gate. Basically, the gate reads the full signal of the clean guitar to know where to close the gate, the volume pedal affects how much of that signal goes into the next effect just like a volume pot on the guitar, but the gate only cuts volume based on original the input signal. That's how I use a fuzz as an overdrive with a noise gate, and I can use the volume pedal almost like a gain knob for it.
Have you tried the Guptech MWAC?
19 minute video on silence? Okay, lets do this 😂
I can't believe you didn't toss a Behringer NR300 in the mix. Would have been the cheapest pedal in the bunch and most of their stuff is Boss clones anyway 😂
If you could share your matrix somewhere that would be awesome.
Why is the NS-2 better than the 1-x ???!!
in my country used ns-2 costs 50-60$, i thinks its best choice for budget
What about the revv g8
what about the Zuul plus?
Ive never heard or seen anyone putting their gate in the fx loop, they always put it in front of the preamp
I can see the sadness in your eyes. everything is beautiful
Jerry Cantrell uses the Smart Gate, always
Everybody sleeps on the Hum Extractor + DECIMATOR G because of the price, that thing is insane.
Just sucks that its so bulky
@@boimesa8190 that and the power supply is not compatible with most of the modern Cioks and alike power supplies I had to use a separate ac10 Cioks power supply on my board just for that. Switched to the Revv G8 and when using single coils I have Emg’s now so I don’t have to worry about hum like before. Still a great gate/hum pedal though.
It's insane. Super expensive, but so so so worth it.
I would really like to see the Revv G8 in the mix...
🎯
So the Fortin is all hype, basically ...
Dude you look like Eugene from Jinjer 😮
NS1X > NS2 just saying... only 2 I have 😅
12:52 ok sign instead
Pretty good video by the way
That MXR one sucks
The MXR sounds awful
Lose the man bun
Gotta love femenized men......
Outstanding review, thank you!