The PHRYGIAN Mode Feels THREATENING

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  • The Phrygian Mode is the most threatening of the 7 major modes, even more so than the Locrian Mode! That's not a take I would've thought before doing this mode series, but looking at where you actually see these two modes used in the real world I think it's clear that the Phrygian mode feels more threatening even though the Locrian scale is technically "darker". Anyways enjoy the vid!
    0:00 - What's the Phrygian Mode?
    1:09 - Battle With Magus - Chrono Trigger
    3:00 - The b2-1 resolution
    3:35 - Gestahl Empire - Final Fantasy VI
    4:49 - Those Who Fight - Final Fantasy VII
    5:58 - Zoombinis
    8:00 - The Sus4b9 chord
    9:02 - Norfair - Metroid
    9:43 - Leavetaking - Ni no Kuni II
    10:46 - Ending - For the Frog the Bell Tolls
    11:24 - Pokemon Trainer Battle - Pokemon Red/Blue
    12:12 - The bII chord
    13:10 - Hollow Bastion - Kingdom Hearts
    13:41 - Brinstar Red Soil Wetlands - Super Metroid
    14:15 - Pokemon Trainer Battle (again) - Pokemon Red/Blue
    15:13 - Outro
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  • @yos.5684
    @yos.5684 Рік тому +37

    As a Spaniard, Phrygian to me is about deep passions & feelings, mystery, not threat :D my favourite mode by far. It's awesome

    • @lewishamel8788
      @lewishamel8788 Рік тому

      I agree, always loved gerudo valley in Zelda oot, I’m aware it’s “spaghetti western” but it think it has that passionate, mysterious flavour you speak of.

  • @mikepalmer1676
    @mikepalmer1676 Рік тому +769

    I'm no music theory expert, which is why I always appreciate how clearly you explain and demonstrate all these things about tones, scales, and whatnot in your videos. It never feels condescending or overbearing, and I always come away learning something new!

    • @drakonisasmrtist9471
      @drakonisasmrtist9471 8 місяців тому +1

      Agreed. So many people describe modes like “you play all the white keys, but start on a different key and that’s a mode”, and that makes it so much more confusing. Like, okay? How do I apply that to other keys, though? What makes the modes different from a major/minor key other than starting on a different white key?

  • @NickHoad
    @NickHoad Рік тому +799

    Never in a million years did I expect the Zoombinis to show up in one of these. They did make it to at least one part of the UK in the mid-00s (not even in school, I think I got them as a Christmas present from my grandparents at some point), but I played the two sequels more.

    • @FizzieWebb
      @FizzieWebb Рік тому +22

      I can say it made it to the primary school computer labs of Australia about 2 decades ago, alongside kid pix.

    • @alinkbetweengames4328
      @alinkbetweengames4328 Рік тому +19

      American here. They made it here as well.

    • @JaingNakala
      @JaingNakala Рік тому +11

      I freaking loved Zoombinis!

    • @tateross2416
      @tateross2416 Рік тому +4

      I'm Canadian, and I remember playing this game on my grade 5 classroom computer whenever I could. Too bad it took a long time for the computer and the game to boot up, so I actually barely got any time at all to play. I'm so glad I know it's name now though!

    • @shigerufan1
      @shigerufan1 Рік тому +8

      The first game is currently on Steam, but the two sequels seem to have fallen by the wayside as abandonware.

  • @eosborne6495
    @eosborne6495 Рік тому +312

    The mention of Zoombinis unlocked a memory that was lodged WAY deep in there, and now I’m feeling things about it.

    • @silversoul5285
      @silversoul5285 Рік тому +19

      Seriously, the game would not have crossed my mind for the rest of life without that prompt.

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 Рік тому +3

      I have seen some review channels talk about it an am always happy for more respact for it
      Brutalmoose wearing Zoombini makeup an nose while having ZOOMBINI yelled at me is my life

    • @ringoneedsmoney9623
      @ringoneedsmoney9623 Рік тому

      Same here. I forgot the name of the game and think about it all the time.

    • @zereon
      @zereon Рік тому

      Sexual tension for zoombinis? Get a grip, dude.

    • @NicolasMendoula
      @NicolasMendoula Рік тому +4

      Same. That's so strange how memory works

  • @rumblingrose49
    @rumblingrose49 Рік тому +639

    You could genuinely make a full video about how phrygian defines the Pokemon battle sound (especially in Gen I). While the OSTs across the series vary significantly, the ways phrygian is used remains fairly consistent in a way that lets you know you're playing a Pokemon game.

    • @sashaburckhardt4258
      @sashaburckhardt4258 Рік тому +13

      was thinking the same thing!

    • @jimmyhirr5773
      @jimmyhirr5773 Рік тому +21

      He already made two videos about Pokemon Gen 1 and 2 music, including one about the battle themes. Not sure if those are what you're looking for.

    • @SassynSaxy
      @SassynSaxy Рік тому +11

      from what I can tell, the elite for theme for scarlet/violet is written in E phrygian, with a brief stint in Bb major. so add one more pokemon battle phyrgian theme to the tally

    • @jigglykirby
      @jigglykirby Рік тому +7

      Reminds me of how almost all the Mario Kart Rainbow Roads across the series are defined by opening with the Lydian I and II chords

    • @kameronwraithd.k.5363
      @kameronwraithd.k.5363 Рік тому

      that´d be awesome

  • @Clymaxx
    @Clymaxx Рік тому +117

    That interplay in Hollow Bastion is such genius. The fact that it is full of wonder and curiosity, but with no room for doubt in the darkness and danger that lies there. It's very much part of what made Kingdom Hearts feel like an adventure, in the most pure form. And especially in a world not readily familiar to us.

    • @ModernHype
      @ModernHype Рік тому +4

      such a masterpiece.

    • @WenGlen2
      @WenGlen2 Рік тому +2

      Phrygian mode + 5/4= Hollow Bastion.

    • @Tanner-James
      @Tanner-James Рік тому +2

      Yes I loved the Hollow Bastion theme so much. The imminent encounter with Malefocent in the majestic backdrop of the bastion. Imposing beauty sonically looming as we scale the tower to rescue our friends. Such a rich series of moments for me in my gaming history.

  • @MythrilZenith
    @MythrilZenith Рік тому +185

    Phrygian mode must be why I was so freaked out by Zoombinis as a kid. My memories of the game are foggy at best but always have a sense of dread along with them, like it was some terrifying game where I got all the zoombinis killed or something.

    • @watermang1680
      @watermang1680 Рік тому

      They were really weird looking too.

    • @ticklezcat5191
      @ticklezcat5191 Рік тому +3

      Zoombinis gave me nightmares as a kid and the music was the cause.

    • @mrbard1
      @mrbard1 Рік тому +2

      Now that i think of it, I remember being scared of the phygian scale as a kid. There were other songs i vaguely remember. Lol

  • @jacobglancy7523
    @jacobglancy7523 Рік тому +38

    I always felt "Strength" or "Power" may be more fitting for Phrygian than an explicitly "Evil" or "Dangerous" sense. Lovely analysis

    • @viscountrainbows2857
      @viscountrainbows2857 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah it may be my synaesthete brain but especially when I hear the Rameses portion of the Overture in The Ten Commandments, it just has the brainfeel of an impossibly large army marching toward you, or the erecting of an absurdly large monument to a king or a God/dess, or even arguably some of the more "panicky" chords that you see in math rock/mathcore or even jazz, and such that just feel more "stabby" and manic in a musical context. I'm not sure if science will ever be able to explain exactly why music makes us invoke these kind of physical and emotional reactions that should be incongruent to what we are merely hearing, but that's why brains are fascinating.

  • @NoshuHyena
    @NoshuHyena Рік тому +43

    I always felt the Red Brinstar theme to be extremely peaceful. You're descending deeper into the planet at that point, and the music and environment make you feel like you're being enveloped by something unfathomably larger than you, like some sort of cosmic womb.
    But it's not ominous. It's comforting. You feel you can relax and let the planet take care of you. It also helps that the enemies here are sparse and unthreatening, more like wildlife than anything.
    I sometimes put an extended version of it on when I need to relax; that or the amazing remix of it in Prime 2.

    • @wanderingrandomer
      @wanderingrandomer Рік тому +12

      The Prime 2 version is peaceful, but I never got that from Super Metroid's Lower Brinstar. For me, it's the point where the game actually starts to get hard, and the chords underneath sound incredibly ominous to me.

    • @shannonjones8877
      @shannonjones8877 Рік тому +7

      I was actually thinking the same, it never really felt threatening to me either. Maybe kinda isolating, like you sort of realize that you're starting to descend further from your ship on the surface, but i wouldn't say there's necessarily an accompanying sense of danger.
      In fact i'd say that when it plays in Dread, it kinda does the opposite and sorta lulls you into a sense of letting your guard down and sets you up beautifully for the okie doke.

    • @g.davidturnblom5751
      @g.davidturnblom5751 Рік тому +2

      No real disagreement, though it's still dark, and the 7/8 time makes it feel off.

    • @davidmcgill1000
      @davidmcgill1000 Рік тому +5

      Meanwhile, Prime 1 has the deepest part of its world having an awesome electronica beat.

  • @wellurban
    @wellurban Рік тому +57

    “Threatening” is a good description for Phrygian as it’s usually used: I remember a lot of 90s techno would use Phrygian riffs to indicate that it was proper hard, compared to fluffy house music. But as you say, it can take on some slightly less foreboding qualities depending upon context and instrumentation. In Brian Eno’s “Neroli: thinking music part IV”, the tentative rubato runs up and down the Phrygian scale feel much more pensive than threatening, to create a feeling that’s definitely ambient but not all sweetness and light.

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 Рік тому +1

      I would like to see an analysis video on Prodigy riffs, lot of phrygian there

    • @azraksash
      @azraksash 10 місяців тому +2

      Lots of pop and folk music from Southern Europe/North Africa is in Phrygian. Definitely nothing threatening in such songs. I can even remember a children song, called ïn my language "My dear mother" that is Phrygian

  • @ventosx
    @ventosx Рік тому +57

    I was utterly unprepared for Zoombinis to make an appearance in an 8-bit music theory video. You have unlocked so many core memories today!

  • @gearandalthefirst7027
    @gearandalthefirst7027 Рік тому +19

    Huh. Apparently I've been writing in Phrygian like a LOT as I've started writing hardcore and horror punk bass parts. I don't know much music theory so I just thought it was "minor with a few extra spicy notes" but looking back, the notes I've added and replaced line up perfectly with Phrygian. Really shows how ingrained these feelings are in the cultural consciousness ig lmao.
    Great video! Glad to have the information to go forwards with more conscious intention now!

    • @victorm.girard7784
      @victorm.girard7784 11 місяців тому

      Same as for me
      I have been using this mode to come up with resonating sounds on depressive moody music in piano
      But I had no idea that I was playing with Phrygian mode

  • @Kylora2112
    @Kylora2112 Рік тому +92

    Phrygian is also an amazing mode for writing thrash metal riffs. And Phrygian Dominant is just an awesome scale to shred over.
    Why yes, I *am* a huge fan of James Hetfield and Ritchie Blackmore! What made you ask?

    • @M_M_ODonnell
      @M_M_ODonnell Рік тому +5

      The Phrygian Dominant scale (or very similar, or scales with the same notes but different motivation) also gets used all over the Middle East, in klezmer music (because you can absolutely shred on violin, clarinet, etc.), and all over jazz.

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 Рік тому +3

      @@M_M_ODonnell Yeah, and Phrygian Dominant is also the flamenco scale because of the I-bII sound.

    • @nicreven
      @nicreven Рік тому +4

      why stop at phrygian :D
      chromatic power chord chugs in, like, the 1st octave are so metal

    • @VeritabIlIti
      @VeritabIlIti Рік тому

      The fact that I'm over halfway through this video and haven't heard E1M1 from Doom as an example makes me kinda sad, ngl. It's possibly the most iconic example. Even people who have never played doom recognize that song

    • @nicreven
      @nicreven Рік тому +1

      @@VeritabIlIti it's locrian though, he mentions it in his locrian video

  • @waffleking6871
    @waffleking6871 Рік тому +3

    I write a lot of metal music so Phrygian and I are old friends. Excited to try out some new tricks.

  • @Nawer_Rapter
    @Nawer_Rapter Рік тому +13

    That's why all villains feel spanish, I see.

  • @trademarkshelton
    @trademarkshelton Рік тому +16

    Super stoked to hear that someone else has played Zoombinis before-I’m not Canadian, but I did play it as a kid.
    I did want to add that after studying some Balinese Gamelan music in college, I started to think that the main Zoombini theme might be inspired by one of the main Gamelan modes-it’s sort of a Phrygian version of a pentatonic scale (think mi-fa-so-ti-do), and the Zoombini theme emphasizes those particular notes of the mode.

  • @treehann
    @treehann Рік тому +9

    I an SO glad you mentioned Zoombinis! It was an integral part of my childhood that got me hooked on puzzles and the music was so mesmerizing. I too noticed the phrygian nature while studying on the piano not long ago. Imagine my surprise when the exact same combination of topics showed up on your channel. I feel seen!

  • @Symphing12
    @Symphing12 Рік тому +96

    The Phrygian is my favorite!!! It's not threatening if used correctly. It can be really sad and somber too. It's a commonly used raga in Indian music, Bhairavi.
    Edit: I think the tonic sus4 working so well is similar how in Indian theory, the 4th scale degree is the strong note. The tonic is the second-strongest.

    • @aaryaansharma4049
      @aaryaansharma4049 Рік тому +9

      Hey man where can i learn more about indian classical music theory more? Im v interested would you have sources? Thanks! :D

    • @MadassAlex
      @MadassAlex Рік тому +5

      Interesting. If the 4th degree of phrygian is the strongest melodic resolution, you're actually resolving to aeolian in terms of Western framing. Think of playing E phrygian and resolving to A.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 Рік тому

      @@MadassAlex it has that pull for the same reason that the a minor scale likes to end on a half cadence in e major
      Phrygian: I - iv - I
      minor: V - i- V
      Basically the modes aren't real. E phrygian and a minor are the same thing. The reason it wants to pull to the fourth is because the fourth is the tonic and you're starting a melody on the dominant and pretending that is the tonic. They're all the same cadences and voiceleadings, they're just different perspectives. E Phrygian is just a half cadence in a minor.

    • @MadassAlex
      @MadassAlex Рік тому

      @@sameash3153 "modes aren't real, they can't hurt you" lmao
      meanwhile, Creeping Death be like

    • @Symphing12
      @Symphing12 Рік тому +1

      @@MadassAlex it's not the strongest note of resolution, but it's a strong melodic note that helps bring out the mood of the mode. The tonic is still the strongest note to which to resolve.

  • @gaudrhin
    @gaudrhin Рік тому +5

    I'm 38. Chrono Trigger has been my favorite video game since I was 11. I majored in music theory, and it was then that I learned what the modes were, and fell in love with Phrygian.
    Now... I understand so much of why.

  • @braydenjones6561
    @braydenjones6561 Рік тому +13

    I have been thinking about the original trainer battle music from Pokémon recently. It's so great!!!! I noticed the use of the flat second throughout but I didn't realize that it might have a connection to the Phrygian mode. I simply thought it was a neat modulation trick to create intensity in the piece. I can't express how amazing of a theme it is, and how well it does its job! It is not only harmonically interesting, it is very melodic and memorable, as well as being very fast-paced, with much chromaticism. It is absolutely phenomenal!
    I also love how you pointed out that in "Those Who Fight", from Final Fantasy VII, the natural minor section sounds almost hopeful in comparison to the previous Phrygian section. I have always thought the same. That was really cool to have an insight as to why that is the case. Thanks for the wonderful video!

  • @alonkatz4633
    @alonkatz4633 Рік тому +41

    Actually, there are TONS of uses of the Phrygian scale in Pokémon. Every gym leader theme uses it in some form except for SV, which is minor but doesn't use the second note in the scale at all in it's non-ace phase, so it could be Phrygian. GSC's theme (my personal favorite) in particular uses it throughout the entire song.
    Just about every legendary theme uses it as well, as well as some victory road themes (shout out for RSE for being awesome, part of which is the Phrygian scale use in it)
    And don't forget Lower Norfair from Super Metroid, Kefka's Tower from FFVI and You Will Know Our Names from XC1 who use the scale as well.

    • @braedenh4687
      @braedenh4687 Рік тому +2

      I believe when I was learning Cyrus’ theme during a guitar lesson it was explained to me as mixolydian, and it’s one of, if not my favorite Pokémon themes. I remember being a kid and being in absolute terror while I was just figuring out type matchups and getting my ass whooped to this theme. That rising scale was really something else that I haven’t quite heard before or since. I’d love to hear an in depth video on the music theory behind all of gen IV’s themes.

    • @alonkatz4633
      @alonkatz4633 Рік тому +2

      I'd love to watch a video about them too. They're formulaic, but have a great formula, and never get old.

    • @not_an_humin3710
      @not_an_humin3710 Рік тому

      Pretty sure _Final Boss Theme Of XC1_ uses Phrygian too

    • @alonkatz4633
      @alonkatz4633 Рік тому

      @@not_an_humin3710 You're right. The first phase theme is in E Phrygian.

  • @caseyglick5957
    @caseyglick5957 Рік тому +10

    My favorite element of Phrygrian mode is the Neapolitan chord when playing in minor. Gives the thing a mysterious and confusing element, especially when it's used to move to the V and you get the jarring tritone movement of the chord's root.

  • @Spleen2ween
    @Spleen2ween Рік тому +1

    Love how these vids make me revisit and recontextualize songs I’ve heard dozens of times (and plenty I’ve never heard) with one of my favorite music theory rabbit holes in mind. This is optimal UA-cam right here!

  • @misdrievousdemise3815
    @misdrievousdemise3815 Рік тому

    I love your modal videos, and just seeing the different creative ways composers go to generate a certain mood in video games is always inspiring to me. I went from not knowing jack about musical terms to lightly understanding them purely from watching your mode videos. Again, I really love these videos (I wanted to comment how much I enjoyed these modal videos in your last 2 ones, but pppffft) and personally I wish you could include more songs in your videos (though I know why this isn't necessarily possible.)
    And it's great to see the Zoombinis once again ^^

  • @CHubas07
    @CHubas07 Рік тому +17

    Now I can't stop imagining how frightening would Baby Shark sound in Phrygian mode

    • @jimmyhirr5773
      @jimmyhirr5773 Рік тому +1

      It sounds more like 90s EDM.
      The first three notes of the melody are D Eb G, the last note is F. Play a G minor chord for most of the melody, and then when the melody gets to F, play an F minor chord.

  • @Mzaleyao
    @Mzaleyao Рік тому +52

    It's fun to not be scolded for having music theory taught to me for once. There are so many cases of "It just is that way, don't think about it" in my musical life I'm glad someone at least speaks to me as an equal and not as an unruly child. Music teachers and experts, learn from this man!

  • @SarahMaeBea
    @SarahMaeBea Рік тому +2

    Loving the mode series. Thank you for all the work that goes into these videos!

  • @zacharywong483
    @zacharywong483 Рік тому

    Stellar video, as always! Your commitment to finding so many various musical examples across a plethora of games is greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work!

  • @0x3C
    @0x3C Рік тому +4

    Really incredible video here! Phrygian is a mode that I’m very interested in and this really helped solidify a lot of its characteristics

  • @mathieulefo6658
    @mathieulefo6658 Рік тому +5

    The Zoombinis part made this canadian who grew up in the early 2000s go for a trip down memory lane. Great video, as always

  • @CobaltThunder267
    @CobaltThunder267 Рік тому +2

    Never would I have expected Zoombinis to show up in one of your videos! I love this game to pieces and still play it on my phone from time to time. I remember it being very hard as a kid (it's sometimes really hard as an adult, too!) but I really loved it a lot, you could tell that every part of it was done with skill and love. I always like listening to your videos, I learn something new every time

  • @sorakey909
    @sorakey909 Рік тому

    One of my favorite videos you've ever done. I LOVE using Phrygian for anything that should feel tense in a way that isn't obvious, and doesn't settle the tension in a way you expect, if ever even after resolving. Fantastic lesson and great analysis.

  • @unfamiliarrobloxian7952
    @unfamiliarrobloxian7952 Рік тому +30

    This is the mode that got me interested in modes in the first place. It's so unique and easy to identify, you really can tell when something is Phrygian.

  • @MechanicalRabbits
    @MechanicalRabbits Рік тому +17

    I've always thought it was really cool that a mode as dark as the Frigian one is right next to Lydian, the brightest mode there is. It makes for a really cool atmosphere when you cicle between the two in a chord vamp, a perfect example being the red Brinstar theme from Super Metroid. Both modes complement each other really well, with Lydian adding a sense of calmness to Frigian, and Frigian adding a somber seriousness to Lydian.

  • @Purple_Motion
    @Purple_Motion Рік тому +2

    I just discovered this channel today! A recent example that comes to my mind right away is from one of Elden Ring's possibly best songs, Rennala, Queen of the Moon's theme - there are some really restless, ominous, gorgeously intense, curious textures in there, with Phrygian structures around what feels like iiø7/iv and V42/VI (among possible interpretations) that seem to be extended questions without answers, all looking for resolution before a return of the dominant C and uplifting Db while still refusing to grant the listener any peace of mind and tonal rest. Very effective.

  • @interruptingPreempt
    @interruptingPreempt Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the explanation of Phrygian usage! I had lots of fun watching it. I had no idea 'till now that Battle With Magus used it.
    I also wanted to tell you that the ♭II in is so popular in western music theory that it has a name: The Neopolitan chord.
    Thanks again for the video! I am loving the mode series.

  • @gonz280
    @gonz280 Рік тому +6

    That Phrygian zoombinis melodic cell, when played as D Eb G A, is one of the leitmotifs from Avatar the last air bender series! Plays when something mysterious and bad is happening 🤩

  • @paulweyer4339
    @paulweyer4339 Рік тому +9

    The balance of theory and application for this series is awesome! I've used these modes intuitively and this gives so much inspiration for how to approach it with intention and make even better stuff.
    Also, zoombinis forever.

  • @StuperUser
    @StuperUser Рік тому

    Excellent! Have been spending the afternoon listening to Red Soil covers, this is fantastic.

  • @Rahshu
    @Rahshu Рік тому

    I've been waiting for you to cover this mode! Thanks!

  • @minmodulation
    @minmodulation Рік тому +9

    The "Altered Scale" for use over dominant chords uses a lot of Phrygian energy to increase tension. When I was learning jazz stuff and there was all this mystery around "Altered" dominant chords, just learning about Phrygian Dominant and really banging on that flat 2nd helped illuminate it a lot.

  • @TheAdvertisement
    @TheAdvertisement Рік тому +5

    The moment I saw the animation of Frog from Chrono Trigger entering Magus's chamber I knew his theme would be in this video, what an awesome piece.

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 5 місяців тому +1

      Magus Battle is a badass boss theme in a game of nothing but badass boss themes

  • @Fender2300DC
    @Fender2300DC 8 місяців тому

    Zoombinis!!! Such a haunting tune, I love that you included it!

  • @yunasboy27
    @yunasboy27 Рік тому

    You unlocked such a good memory of my childhood. I have not thought about zoombinis in ages! Thank you so much for that. And it wasn't just Canada that played that game.

  • @NeoTrggrTheGammer
    @NeoTrggrTheGammer Рік тому +17

    I was so surprised seeing Zoombinis...I loved playing that game as a kid! Love your videos as always, so educational and making me want to study music as a hobby

  • @electropunkzero
    @electropunkzero Рік тому +4

    Understanding modes is what unlocked a lot of music for me. The gradient of major and minor modes, the characteristic notes, and how they each feel.

  • @icanplaytehdrumz
    @icanplaytehdrumz Рік тому +1

    Ah! I vaguely remembered playing a stressful game during computer class in elementary school where you had to get several blue circular creatures through several dangerous obstacles, and that losing too many (maybe even just one?) would result in not being able to progress. For the life of me I could never remember what it was called, but I'm like 99% sure you just so happened to bring it up in this video! Thanks for bringing up Zoombinis, and for the excellent analyses as per usual.

  • @ThaneGaming
    @ThaneGaming Рік тому

    I always appreciate the all-encompassing range of games and platforms discussed with videos like this on your channel, from early NES & Game Boy to modern titles! I really enjoy the mix of popular games with more obscure ones as well. For the Frog the Bell Tolls was a nice surprise, and it was neat learning about a game I've never heard about with Zoombinis 😄

  • @terdragontra8900
    @terdragontra8900 Рік тому +5

    Hearing you nerd out about Zoombinis was adorable

  • @GrandleJams
    @GrandleJams Рік тому +11

    I love your series talking about different modes, it's been really fun seeing all the different ways different modes tend to be used commonly, and its variety of uses.
    Also, any time you check out the pokemon series, it's always fun to see what makes those games tick, and what formula they use to make their sound.

  • @m4r_art
    @m4r_art Рік тому +1

    The good part in this is that we are in 2022, Covid has kind of moved on a little bit even though not fully, it's there lurking, eventually catching a fellow or two, such a stinker it is... But in this crappy reality it's good to know that there are still people enthusiastic about creativity, people who love the gems of the old pixel artsy games, people who value content over newly served stuff. This channel is kind of an oldie already. But you know what they say... oldie, but goldie. Great content to watch here on a regular basis.

  • @2c_4m57
    @2c_4m57 Рік тому

    We played Zoombinis in Kentucky in the early 2000s too, don't feel alone! Loved the video, great job!

  • @raddadthad
    @raddadthad Рік тому +10

    Zoombinis, an absolute classic. I put so much time into game as a kid, and as an adult.

  • @kirjian
    @kirjian Рік тому +6

    The best boss themes are always in phrygian. Maybe because I constantly died in boss battles as a kid and had to hear the boss theme over and over, they became the most memorable vidrogame music to me :)

  • @IcyPandaGirl
    @IcyPandaGirl 3 місяці тому

    bro you awakened some core memories with that zoombini analysis omg i never thought i'd see that game again

  • @Supardanil
    @Supardanil Рік тому

    This channel always feels so validating, as someone who both grew up with a lot of these games, and also has a growing interest in music theory! It's really amazing that the internet has given this fairly niche intersection of passions a place to flourish. Thanks for the great videos!

  • @alsatusmd1A13
    @alsatusmd1A13 Рік тому +5

    The bII chord is also known as “Neapolitan” in classical music. I personally guide “Neapolitan” as the name for the tone system based on ninths because the “Neapolitan sixth” structure is a common resting chord in harmony within it.

  • @rumblingrose49
    @rumblingrose49 Рік тому +4

    Love seeing Kingdom Hearts representation in an 8-Bit Music Theory video! Another great phrygian example from the series is Dread of Night (Anti-Black Coat Nightmare boss theme). It sits on a i-bvii vamp that really captures the (literally) nightmarish essence of the boss and exemplifies the "threatening" side of phrygian. There's also Sinister Shadows (1000 Heartless Battle) which, like Hollow Bastion (where the fight actually takes place) has a section where it trades off between bII and i. While a less "threatening" example, the bII unsettles you after an initial i-iv vamp and lets you know the battle is serious.

    • @zenispagetti1
      @zenispagetti1 7 місяців тому

      Both the field and battle themes of The World That Never Was also use Phrygian, I always really liked the dark sound they have.

  • @amibeingdetained3417
    @amibeingdetained3417 Рік тому

    Great video, glad to see music theory in video game music specifically being analyzed.
    Hope to see you do a video on my favorite, the mixo-flat 9 flat 13 scale!!!
    (Just Phrygian with a major 3rd)

  • @ajojen6346
    @ajojen6346 Рік тому

    Woooo a new mode video! I'll have to watch this one over Christmas break

  • @KooriGraywolf
    @KooriGraywolf Рік тому +8

    Realizing that these songs share the same mode and hearing them back to back, it kinda gives me ideas for an arrangment mashing up Those who Fight, Battle with Magus, and Red Soil...

  • @Baby_boodle
    @Baby_boodle Рік тому +11

    You just explained why I found the music from Zoombinis to be so foreboding and enchanting when I was a kid, oh my gosh.

  • @FarewellApollo
    @FarewellApollo Рік тому

    OMG Zoombinis! Yes! Dude you are a best! Those clips took me back right there with you! I can't believe I forgot about this game considering how many hours I joyfully sunk into this game.

  • @zanderwhitcroft
    @zanderwhitcroft Рік тому

    The idea that I don't understand any of the terms used but am still able to learn from you speaks volumes to your video quality.

  • @dominicmoisant8393
    @dominicmoisant8393 Рік тому +4

    Wayne Shorter uses the i bII progression in a lot of his tunes like Deluge and Speak No Evil, playing the i minor pentatonic on top of the bII gives all the juicy notes

  • @azukar8
    @azukar8 Рік тому +3

    NO. WAY. You unlocked a memory almost THIRTY years old just now - we had that same game at my AUSTRALIAN primary school 🤣

  • @teodorsandel-konjevic686
    @teodorsandel-konjevic686 Рік тому

    Amazing video! I love to think of the sus4b2 chord as the VI chord of a minor scale rather than the V
    Super Metroid example is incredible, what a mood.
    Check out the Ethiopean Ambassel pentatonic scale for some great examples of using the b2

  • @ChappyMonster
    @ChappyMonster Рік тому +1

    AYO I WAS JUST WATCHING THE MIXOLYDIAN VIDEO YESTERDAY!! Great video as always!!

  • @tomekurgacz318
    @tomekurgacz318 Рік тому +4

    I know that the way we experience the emotional impact of modes and chord relations is highly subjective, but I think it's worth mentioning that where you are from and what you are used to hearing changes a lot. For example, I get that phrygian mode is often threatening because of the b2 tension with the tonic note but for me it also can sound heroic or romantic, depending on contexts. I'm polish, which means that I am legally required to like Chopin and other romantic era composers (plus a lot of folk music), and when encountering phrygian sound I have to consciously choose how it suppose to sound. Like, does music tell me how dangerous a boss I'm fighting is or is it a big main character being brave moment. As I'm writing this I realized that it seems to be the same thing, but the difference is between feeling scared and being like "hell yeah, I can do this!"

  • @SuperCatPrincess
    @SuperCatPrincess Рік тому +11

    Can we please get a "part 2" of the odd time signatures video? I really enjoy odd time signatures in general and my personal favorite is how every track that plays during the horde/zombies mode Salmon Run in Splatoon 2 and 3 are in odd time signatures in some manner, highlighting the chaos of the mode. Special shoutouts to "Chaos Carnival" the new one which works by adding one more beat to the time signature each bar.

  • @DaveyIce616
    @DaveyIce616 Рік тому

    Zoombeenies!!! I forgot ALL about that game. I played it all the time as a kid, it was one of the first computer games I remember playing. Awesome!!! You’re channel is the best!

  • @YaffleTank
    @YaffleTank Рік тому

    Keep up the good work! I learn so much from your videos, and I get a ton of "A-ha". Thanks!

  • @vikurtz
    @vikurtz Рік тому +5

    OMG ZOOMBINIS!!!! A friend of mine had this game and I only got to see it like once or twice but it looked so fun!

  • @oneunknown8226
    @oneunknown8226 Рік тому +3

    Zoombinis! I didn't know that anyone but me remembered those games, they were incredible.

  • @Gmoney720SKATE
    @Gmoney720SKATE Рік тому

    UA-cam randomly brought me here from other videos about video games. I had to walk back and make a comment when you mentioned Zoombinis.
    Zoombinis was used in some American elementary schools in the mid to late 90s. It was one of my favorite games. I thought no one else was aware of it, given that I was in a very small area in the middle of nowhere surrounded by forests, kind of by Canada (Upper penisula of michigan). Happy to hear of other people who enjoyed it!

  • @CptKroepoek
    @CptKroepoek Рік тому +1

    Awesome that you used Zoombinis as an example, love that soundtrack and literally started playing it again last week

  • @Hrekto
    @Hrekto Рік тому +3

    Man. I always struggled with theory of modes, but this series has really helped me grasp wtf is going on with them.

    • @TundieRice
      @TundieRice Рік тому

      Just think of them as alternate scales that are starting from different notes of the major (Ionian) scale.
      Think of C Major, but start from the third note of that scale E, and then end the scale when you get to the next octave above an E (also an E.)
      There you have your E Phrygian scale. You can scale it up or down with every other key from there.

    • @jimmyhirr5773
      @jimmyhirr5773 Рік тому

      Another, related way to think about modes is to think in terms of the tonic chord. So if you resolved to the E minor chord in a C major scale, then you would be using the Phrygian mode. If you resolved to the A minor chord you would be using Aeolian, etc.

  • @senor-achopijo3841
    @senor-achopijo3841 Рік тому +3

    The Super Metroid Brinstar Red Soil Wetlands theme has always been my favorite example of how the music in Super Metroid emphasizes the sense of isolation and exploration of an alien world that the game elicits.

  • @benruniko
    @benruniko Рік тому +1

    It blows my mind to realize that this mode, COMPLETELY unembellished in the Magus theme makes up one of my oldest favorite pieces of music. Add to that how it is part of almost every one of my favorite childhood games and I can’t believe I never knew!
    Thank you so much for this new video!!! I always love coming back to your channel to enjoy some more insight into my favorite music.

  • @zithsound
    @zithsound Рік тому +1

    Phrygian is probably my favorite mode ever, so happy you covered this and am loving these examples. So much inspiration in this video. Also how the hell does the music from that weird childrens flash game go so hard? It has absolutely no reason to go that hard lmao

  • @GuiasMaurelChile
    @GuiasMaurelChile Рік тому +3

    DUDE! ZOOMBINIS WAS A F*CKING BLAST! DIDN'T EXPECT THAT! It was the best game to play at computer class when I was on elementary school! (And I'm from Chile)

  • @PlayfulPiano
    @PlayfulPiano Рік тому +5

    Could you possibly do videos on the dominant mode scales too? Phrygian Dominant for example has some really interesting uses in Video Games, biggest example that comes to mind is Dusty Dune Galaxy.

    • @jimmyhirr5773
      @jimmyhirr5773 Рік тому +1

      I think the part at the end about desert themes is hinting that there will soon be a video on Phrygian Dominant.

  • @generalZee
    @generalZee Рік тому +2

    In the US the 1.0 version of the game was called "The Logical Journey of the Zoombinis" and my memory of both the graphics and sound were significantly lower quality than what I saw here. A quick google seems to indicate that Canada got a v2 called "Zoombinis: A Logical Journey" about 5 years later, and then another modern remake was made in 2015.

  • @infinitefretboard
    @infinitefretboard Рік тому

    Zoombinis! I can't believe you just posted this. Just the other day I was trying to remember what that game was called. I have fond memories.

  • @Koropokel
    @Koropokel Рік тому +4

    the zoombins theme reminds me of ethiopian scales or balinese scales which are pentatonic ! 1 2b b3 5 6b check this scale out its one of my favourites!

  • @theminorprophet5132
    @theminorprophet5132 Рік тому +5

    The first notes of the zoombini song sounds like perfect cell's theme.

    • @rumblingrose49
      @rumblingrose49 Рік тому

      I was gonna comment this! Talk about threatening

  • @carlcarl167
    @carlcarl167 Рік тому

    The Zoombinis melody you feature opens up very similar to a Gojira song, Flying Whales Thanks forr helping me understand that song a little beer,. Love the video!

  • @praetorfenix69
    @praetorfenix69 Рік тому

    ZOOMBINIS! This was driving me crazy because I had a vague memory of playing this game in my middle school computer lab in like 1997 and I could not remember the name of it! Nothing to do with the music but thank you for randomly solving this mystery for me.

  • @isleohagger5455
    @isleohagger5455 Рік тому +6

    This scale doesn't sound frightening to me though. You're playing instruments that are grating and trumpety so it sounds a bit frightening, there's that, but I think you're thinking of a phrygian with no _flat 3rd._ That's frightening, but the regular phrygian sounds extremely impersonal/unfamilar and a bit threatening, but not frightening.

  • @mattuw82
    @mattuw82 8 місяців тому

    This is quality content. The way this guy talks about music theory shows how much he clearly understands it and knows how to use it.

  • @Betinnn
    @Betinnn Рік тому

    Nice video man!
    Just a thougth, it would be great to have shorts or instagram stories (maybe both) of bits of your work. It would be great format to expand your range of spectators! Anyway, Keep up the good work!

  • @bizzy5439
    @bizzy5439 Рік тому

    OMG DUDE I FORGOT ABOUT ZOOMBINIS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK

  • @arthurfaulkner4239
    @arthurfaulkner4239 4 місяці тому

    OMFG Zoombinis! You literally just unlocked a treasured childhood memory that I had completely forgotten until now! Bless you 8-Bit, bless you!

  • @kriskris5907
    @kriskris5907 Рік тому

    Zoombinis!! Holy crap!! I used to watch my brother play that on our family computer, and I had only a very vague memory of the concept and a few static images in my memory and I was half convinced I made it up lol. Thank you for putting decades of half-remembering to rest!

  • @kwonza-gamingandanime5727
    @kwonza-gamingandanime5727 Рік тому

    Wow! Yeah I have never met anyone who knew of Zoombinis - my childhood best friend had a copy of this game on her computer and I remember I so looked forward to coming over to play at her house because of it. Great video and analysis-have my thumbs up!

  • @GourlieRecords
    @GourlieRecords Рік тому

    Excellent video with great examples. Nice work!!

  • @enthusiast3265
    @enthusiast3265 Рік тому

    Leavetaking is legendary and I'm happy to see you reference it again since i heard it first from you

  • @cloudkitt
    @cloudkitt Рік тому

    Zoombinis! Dang, it was my younger sister's game, but I found myself playing it a fair amount at the time XD
    Great video as usual, with a lot of examples in tracks I love but would not have known this about.

  • @asharpnotbflat
    @asharpnotbflat Рік тому

    I love zoombinis! So glad to see it mentioned, especially in a music analysis video!

  • @BiohazardEXTREME
    @BiohazardEXTREME Рік тому

    It's so weird! I'm currently reading a gigantic book called "1001 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die" and I just got to a blurb about Zoombinis the other day, and had never heard of this game before then. And now you mention it. Frequency Illusion at its finest! I bet I'll be seeing this game everywhere now.