The city should have forced septa into reinstating the 23 and 56 first because more people used them. While route 15 would have eventually been brought back since it was still connected to the active trolley network(Callowhill Depot)
Many of the streetcar routes (and trackless trolley routes) were indeed well used and profitable. SEPTA management was ant-electric transit and supported stinky, polluting buses. The electric vehicles were efficient and environmentally friendly.
The tracks that were on the Broad/Vine area are long gone and torn out, those lines will not come back. It is as dead as a doorknob in all areas of Center City except 13th St. for the most part.
Imagine SEPTA never got rid of almost all of the Trolley system we only got half that the Kawasaki running down but still imagine SEPTA never got rid of most of their trolley lines but my question is why they only order 112 Kawasaki trolleys and they still have a lot of lines
You didn't mention that Rt. 50 was also killed by SEPTA. SEPTA did more to destroy trolley and trackless trolley lines than National City Lines GM did with the PTC. SEPTA management hates surface electric transit and does not try to hide the fact. It took them a while, but they finally killed Rt. 15 on Girard Ave. Their excuse is that the PCC II cars are falling apart, but who deliberately let them get that way. So far, only a few PCC II cars have gone through a half-assed rebuild. Wrong colors, nothing to correct the horrible windshields, etc. Don't hold your breath waiting for trolleys to ever run on Girard Avenue again. SEPTA would like you to forget the PCC II cars are rotting away with outside storage at Elmwood. Then they'll say the cars are too old to spend any money on. I know these characters better than they know themselves. SEPTA is a bus company, period. SEPTA couldn't wait to cut the trackless trolley wires down in South Philly on the 79 and 29. The battery buses that replaced the trackless trolleys were a colossal failure and have been hidden away in dead storage for over a year. SEPTA hopes you forget about them. Only Philly would have streets with new rail and wires where a trolley will never run. Included is Germantown Avenue in Mt. Airy and Richmond Street in Port Richmond. This while city after city builds new streetcar lines in North America.
@@Direction-North Much of the 23 is paved over with asphalt and wires cut down in many places.Don't hold your breath waiting for the 23 to ever come back. Much switches and special work on 23 is paved over or removed.
Your posts are extremely negative and try to be self-fulfilling in defeat. I have just read in the Philadelphia Inquirer that the PCC cars are scheduled to return to service this September 10th. So maybe you should hold your breath until 9/10/23.@@Jeff-uj8xi
Is the mission statement of SEPTA to remove all electric trains as they are in direct competition with the personal automobile and must make all former rail routes into bus routes that only those without any other option will take because the have to provide some type of transit service? Are there no other type of trolley car that can run on those tracks besides the PTC?
The trolley tracks are capable of running non-PCC trains. I suspect that not ordering cars for the North Philadelphia system was a ploy to get rid of that system.
I wish that SEPTA would 😪 and should acquired all the PCCs from TTC and perhaps Bombardier cars from Toronto and have them run on Routes 53,56 and 23 😂😅.
This is stupid why would they close most trolly lines into carbon producing buses if I was the manger of septa I would bring back all those streetcars and suburban streetcars and extended the R2 to New hope And extend the sub surface to Camden and order trolly cars that look like Toronto in Canada and Manchester in the UK
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53 had low ridership, but it was a really beautiful ride through a really nice part of town, with a charming loop at the end of the line.
I agree 👍. Especially when passing by the Independence Hall!!
The city should have forced septa into reinstating the 23 and 56 first because more people used them. While route 15 would have eventually been brought back since it was still connected to the active trolley network(Callowhill Depot)
Many of the streetcar routes (and trackless trolley routes) were indeed well used and profitable. SEPTA management was ant-electric transit and supported stinky, polluting buses. The electric vehicles were efficient and environmentally friendly.
The tracks that were on the Broad/Vine area are long gone and torn out, those lines will not come back. It is as dead as a doorknob in all areas of Center City except 13th St. for the most part.
Imagine SEPTA never got rid of almost all of the Trolley system we only got half that the Kawasaki running down but still imagine SEPTA never got rid of most of their trolley lines but my question is why they only order 112 Kawasaki trolleys and they still have a lot of lines
They probably wanted rid of the network deliberately
They can only afford so many at a time.
Also a little tidbit the Route 62 Yeadon-Darby trolley route ends in 1971.
Thank you for the educational videos!
You didn't mention that Rt. 50 was also killed by SEPTA.
SEPTA did more to destroy trolley and trackless trolley lines than National City Lines GM did with the PTC. SEPTA management hates surface electric transit and does not try to hide the fact. It took them a while, but they finally killed Rt. 15 on Girard Ave. Their excuse is that the PCC II cars are falling apart, but who deliberately let them get that way. So far, only a few PCC II cars have gone through a half-assed rebuild. Wrong colors, nothing to correct the horrible windshields, etc. Don't hold your breath waiting for trolleys to ever run on Girard Avenue again. SEPTA would like you to forget the PCC II cars are rotting away with outside storage at Elmwood. Then they'll say the cars are too old to spend any money on. I know these characters better than they know themselves. SEPTA is a bus company, period.
SEPTA couldn't wait to cut the trackless trolley wires down in South Philly on the 79 and 29. The battery buses that replaced the trackless trolleys were a colossal failure and have been hidden away in dead storage for over a year. SEPTA hopes you forget about them. Only Philly would have streets with new rail and wires where a trolley will never run. Included is Germantown Avenue in Mt. Airy and Richmond Street in Port Richmond. This while city after city builds new streetcar lines in North America.
PTC's last decade was actually stable, in terms of trolley operations. It's maddening how SEPTA (INEPTA?) treats its surface rail network.
Actually, no, the PCC II cars are coming back!
Do you think it’s possible they can bring back the 23 trolley?
It's possible - the tracks and wires are still in place and being maintained. For the routes cut in 1992, it really comes to political will.
@@Direction-North Much of the 23 is paved over with asphalt and wires cut down in many places.Don't hold your breath waiting for the 23 to ever come back. Much switches and special work on 23 is paved over or removed.
@@Jeff-uj8xi Actually, Erie Avenue on north, still there. They can restore it between Chestnut Hill and Mt Airy or Germantown.
@@Jeff-uj8xi They would have to install new track and wiring anyway if they were to bring it back...
Still got my fingers crossed that the PCC cars will return on route 15... No clue what the status is though it's been radio silence
Hopefully the City of Philadelphia will strongarm SEPTA and get the route back.
You should live so long to ever see Rt. 15 come back !! You'll have a long life.....
Your posts are extremely negative and try to be self-fulfilling in defeat. I have just read in the Philadelphia Inquirer that the PCC cars are scheduled to return to service this September 10th. So maybe you should hold your breath until 9/10/23.@@Jeff-uj8xi
Love it!
Is the mission statement of SEPTA to remove all electric trains as they are in direct competition with the personal automobile and must make all former rail routes into bus routes that only those without any other option will take because the have to provide some type of transit service? Are there no other type of trolley car that can run on those tracks besides the PTC?
The trolley tracks are capable of running non-PCC trains. I suspect that not ordering cars for the North Philadelphia system was a ploy to get rid of that system.
they can, and they have run the LRV's on the tracks. SEPTA doesn't spend money very well.
They brought back the PCC trolley
I think you mean 47 instead of 49
Fixed, kind of. Thanks for telling me!
@@Direction-North you know septa brought route 49 back but as a bus right
@@DARKNIGHT-525 all of the trolleys got turned to buses my guy
that were suspended
You mean route 47? There was no route 49.
We're Love And Miss Septa Route 23 56 Trolleys Lines Is Get Back to Life
I wish that SEPTA would 😪 and should acquired all the PCCs from TTC and perhaps Bombardier cars from Toronto and have them run on Routes 53,56 and 23 😂😅.
So sad😔
SEPTA should rerail route 53 !!
SEPTA also should rerail Allegheny Ave too.
Like in Boston, the trollocaust
:(
SEPTA in Philly is having a contest with the MBTA in Boston to see who is the better jackasses.
Ughhhh like spaghetti slowly being sucked off the plate.
When you combine a dislike of streetcars with low funding and a suburban-tilted governance model ...
This is stupid why would they close most trolly lines into carbon producing buses if I was the manger of septa I would bring back all those streetcars and suburban streetcars and extended the R2 to New hope And extend the sub surface to Camden and order trolly cars that look like Toronto in Canada and Manchester in the UK
I believe it's called "INEPTA" with the slogan: "We're not getting there"
@@Direction-North I prefer "SEPTA," the Society to End Public Transportation Altogether
To be fair, most of them are on city streets. The big reason the remaining lines survived is because of the subway and the 13's private ROW.