Esther Krakue is always the most dignified guest on this show, patiently waiting for her turn to speak and always presenting her views in an honest and respectful manner, even if it is contentious or controversial.
What's funny about your comment is....Esther is just being NORMAL. But surrounded by insane people, she seems brilliant. Nothing she's saying is really that smart, it's just all common sense. Something so many don't have these days. Now having said that, I do like to listen to anyone who speak the truth in a dignified way and Esther certainly represents that.
@@factmanamerican882 what’s funny about your comment is the assumption that common sense is common. It’s not! Common sense is a weapon for the intellectual not the emotional.
As a mother of six adult children, i have one adult child who struggles with what is traditionally known as addiction... how much responsibility do we place on the people in his orbit or him? He is my child, i take responsibility for where he's at today, but i also recognise the choices he has made, and still makes. Im not going to waste his life blaming others. I'd rather spend my energy helping him find peace with the man he is!
Liam was thrust into this madness at a very young age , so his managers, producers become his family really and are responsible for him and his well-being, he's just a money maker to dome unscrupulous people in show business.
Liam chose to enter xfactor, he chose to continue in the industry. He also loved having the wealthy lifestyle it gave him. Nothing in life comes without a cost , people work 8 hours a day and never reach the wealth Liam had. At 31 Liam has to be responsible for his choices good and bad
Katie Waissel comes on & says she's there to talk about her 'dear friend' & spends the whole time making it about herself & the issues she still has with Cowell, like 15 year later!
What does sje have to say about Chris Kaba.??? PEIRCE you just have her there as your prop.. got her mind controlled too to serve your stupid show and agenda! You don't truly care! None of you do! Tupac cared tho!
Ester is right! What about Zayn Malik! He had a very public mental breakdown where he couldn’t cope and left the band and disappeared. No interview, no shows, no PR shoots - nothing! He was on a downward spiral but I suppose people around him stepped in and he himself knew he couldn’t carrion like this.
Liam Payne has not been on that show in over a decade. The people that should be questioned are his team. His management especially for not stepping in.
Loved when Katie basically said “my son is downstairs and he needs me and I’m doing your show even though I don’t want to be on your show so I’m going to go” and then stayed. 3 times.
this Katie Waissel went on Big Brother, cried over an old man making a harmless Jewish joke and got him thrown out the house and labeled a racist. Did she care about his mental health? She sounds like a professional victim.
She sounds so thirsty for attention. Piers handled her brilliantly 👏. Besides her rude facial expressions when anyone else was talking- she said a bunch of word salad when it was her turn . Can’t even put together a complete thought . 😂
I’m sorry but Katie is a bit of a self proclaimed victim. All the aching gestures on her face throughout. I get that she’s had a terrible experience.. but she’s clearly looking for sympathy. Maybe don’t come on Piers Morgan expecting a therapy session..
She comes across angry that she didn’t win. 14 years later. OMG Her mental health is screwed up. Kept mentioning her hungry son waiting for dinner. Cracked me up
So now it's IMPOSSIBLE for Women with children to behave professional while on a debate?? Pick a Struggle. Be on the internet de dating or be a full time mother. Stop giving her excuses. She's a grown entitled brat.
Katie Waissel proved herself to be completely unprofessional during this interview. She didn't even deserve the platform you granted her through her appearance. Her points of view are ridiculous.
Well, we are all very shocked, and feel sorry for Liam but Howie Mandel is correct, Liam was already 31 years old, with a child, with a family and working "solo", his life was in his hands, unfortunately
I appreciate to certain extent what you say but he was very young into the limelight and was obviously not coping. Somebody should have picked up on that and helped him. It's easy to say he should have been able to deal with it at his age but when there are demons it's difficult to get rid. Have some empathy please.❤
As someone who lost her partner of 5 years to a drugs overdose after helping him so many times until I was at a loss myself. They have to want to get clean themselves! Nothing will work otherwise!
Howie is absolutely correct! The biggest issue here is mental health. It's ridiculous to hold the TV shows that made these people famous accountable for what they do a decade plus later
If they offered them support while they are rising to fame it would make a world of difference. I don’t want him on Canada’s got talent with his attitude
He was an adult, a 31 year old man. He is responsible for his decisions himself. He paid consequences of HIS actions. Ppl pick a mental health as an excuse for any action. I am tired of that.
I don't think she's saying that but that had a structured support program been in place at the time things may have been different. Effects are accumulative. Young developing nervous systems need to be given the resources to cope with the nervous system dysregulation that comes with instant fame, fans, media attention...etc They make enough money off these programs and subsequent sales so they are responsible for a sensible program of care for a period of time. If that was provided disaster may be averted and people may not reach for substances.
she went on Celebrity Big Brother and an old sweet man Christopher Biggins made a light joke about people from Jerusalem and because this Katie is descendant from there she started crying made it into a big deal got this guy thrown out of the house and labeled a racist and antisemite. Did she care about that old man’s mental health? Of course not! And she was a nutcase on that show she clearly has a short fuse.
She says she didn’t want to be on the panel? Hmm… I wonder why she has been on multiple talent shows and now this…? She just wants attention and that’s it. Pretty obvious really!
Am worried for her son cause she clearly has serious mental health issues that blur he judgement and rationale thinking or touch with reality….she is nut!
I thought this was about the late Liam Payne's struggle? God bless his soul and give his family and friends the strength to get through this hard time.
HOWIE!! ❤❤❤ thank you so much for being open with your mental health issues! I Also have A through Z!! Thank you so much for being honest about taking your medication’s! You are the perfect example of how to manage and use your mental health for the good in life by doing the right things such as therapy and taking your medication. I’m so thankful that God put the desire in me to be consistent with my medication and therapy, which I will probably have to be on for the rest of my life, but it’s worth it.! Thank you Piers!!🙏🏼
Ester, I totally agree with everything you have said. You are the only one on that panel along with Piers that have talked any sense. Good on you🥰 keep doing what you do. Why did Ester get so little air time? She has so much intellectual input to give. Much love from Kenya 🇰🇪
As Liam mentioned in his podcast, during xfactor, he was left, as a child , in a hotel room, told not to leave, WITH a fully stocked mini bar. This is what started his issue with alcohol (party for one, he called it!) and ultimately what then contributed to him losing his life. Had there been sufficient safeguarding from Syco, then this would never have happened in the first place. I know there are many contributing factors here, but maybe had he not been put in this situation, at such a young and impressionable age, things might have ended differently. More control measures need to be put in place for the underage contestants, as they need it most.
Please … never have this “ Katie “ on ever again. She is clearly too immature and what’s more she can’t sit still and stop the dramatics. It’s completely distracting.
See the way it is that if they are continually successful making money having concerts across the world then it is them and their talent that got them there. But when it goes south like it did for Liam it is everybody else's fault. It's typical victimhood narration and people glorifying it
this whole video and this comment section made me realize so many people don’t understand mental health and how childhood trauma effects you for years and years and years and could probably effect you for the rest of your life. liam payne said himself in an interview they were so young and had access to so many things during one direction especially substances and explained how bad it is to give that access to a bunch of young super famous boys. so therefore his substance issues were developed during one direction which was created by simon cowell on x factor. that’s how he’s connect and is at least partially liable
I dont particularly care for the Talent shows and I never saw much of Howie Mandel's comedy act, but I am a big fan of him because he is always so introspective. He has dealt with mental health issues his whole life and he isnt afraid to talk about them in an attempt to destigmatize the topic. Hes a very smart man and he seems to more importantly be a very GOOD man and I am a fan of him because of that. Very glad to hear his voice on this very tragic topic
Liam was a beautiful talented ❤ young man. No one is perfect we all have our demons. Some have it all yet still struggle inside with some kind of childhood trauma which festers out of control during adulthood temporarily filling the void of emptiness inside 😢
My goodness, Katie might be the most insane person I’ve seen on this show. No self control of her emotions. That’s saying a lot, Katie start taking responsibility for your actions and get some help!
Big shout to Esther. Shes a crucial ingrediant on the show . Shes brings great common sanity . Shes spot on in this debate . Piers , you should have let her have the last word this time . She deserved to prevail against that mentally "unbalanced" and affected , Katie .
I think Esther is a little confused citing Beyoncé as being someone who has her act together… I’ve no idea if Beyoncé has or not but I’m not sure I’d cite her as an example in this case having seen the amount of photos of her at P Diddys parties and seeing her hanging out with him so much…
OMG…what happened to Liam, as tragic as it is, is Liam’s responsibility, no one else’s. Life is hard. Everyone has it hard. You are responsible for your own life. Period. Simon has no responsibility in this. Liam was on the show a very long time ago
OMGgosh, his girlfriend Kate Cassidy could have been his handler. She worked in a Bar named Ritual when they met. Beyonce was at the same hotel as Liam. P Diddy was arrested 16th September. Liam died 16th October. What if Liam went into witness protection before Diddy goes to trial.
Liam having responsibility for his actions, which he did, for only he could save himself, does not mean Simon has no responsibility. If your going to make millions off a teenage boy, you have a duty of care towards them.
I found this discussion very difficult to follow! For god sake Pier's, can you at least allow your guests to speak without interruption?! Stop railroading!
That’s the angle piers kept trying to introduce with the tenth place shtick. Didn’t really work, it’s not surprising they all got screwed up by that experience. Saying that it’s all fair game because they might get famous is a shallow defence for those shows.
It’s absurd to think the talent show has to have a lifetime duty of care. What about Liam’s family, Cheryl, his fiancée that most likely knew about his relapse, etc. absurd!
Indeed. Furthermore, who on earth would want the talent show execs to provide that care? I sure the heck wouldn't. This care is supposed to come from your own care system, your beliefs, worldviews, people you confide in and open up to (professional or other) etc.... I've struggled with things under different employers, but I went to my wife and friends to talk things through. I wouldn't want the company I work for to provide some weird type of counselling for me. That would almost seem invasive.
We really don't know what happened. We do know he was doing a boatload of drugs at the time. Liability, yes, while he was on the show. There is no liability once the show was over and many years down the road. Katie Waissel is deluded into thinking otherwise.
@@LadyBird-n2t What are HER choices? She was abused by the British public for years in the most horrific ways and the GP still won't accept that? It's insufferable.
The problem with these arguments is that people today don’t take responsibility for themselves. It was obvious that Liam had issues long ago and he has a family to care for him. The parents have a duty to be an advocate for children in show business
No one is responsible for anybody! You are your own person ,can you help someone? Sure but it comes down to that person wanting to do better and getting the help they need.
When things go well, it’s because of us - our abilities and talents. When things don’t go so well, it’s somebody else’s fault. It’s not about kindness. It’s about taking responsibility.
the woman in the white shirt is clearly having some sort of a mental meltdown, i don't think it was a good idea to have her on given how volatile she is.
@@Paradox370 she looks like she's on something, eye balls wide, chewing her mouth, rolling her eyes, chatting rubbish, can't keep still and her facial expressions are out of this world. She should not be given time on any platform she's out and out rude and disrespectful
Whether he killed himself or it was accidental, the only person responsible for Liam was Liam. Also, Katie has said a whole load of nothing in this interview. Instead of answering, she just says "I'm happy to do X Y Z" or "my son is downstairs wanting dinner".
i know right? 😂 How many times has she threatened to go and make dinner. Just go and make it already. I could just see her kid sitting infront of empty an plate, getting his hopes up every time mum mentioned making dinner for him, only for his hopes to be dashed.. again...
I wonder what kind of therapy these people get. My therapist would have wiped the floor with me if I had come up with as many excuses as she is. “I did y want to do xyz” well work on your boundaries then ! Stop blaming everyone one else. Her son needing his dinner is the least of his problems. Liam died through addiction, the others haven’t - so what’s people’s beef with Simon.
The struggle was not when he was on the show. This was likely the best time of his life. Such a tragedy, but talking about Simon’s duty of care when Liam was 31 is ridiculous. Liam often spoke with gratitude for his experiences. Who on earth were these embarrassing guests in the middle?! Disastrous.
Katie kept saying she’s didn’t want to be on the show (X Factor)…..what does that mean? SHE left her house, travelled to the auditions, had the audition and was given a place as a contestant in the live shows……SHE chose to take part, so HOW on earth can she say she didn’t want to be on the show? It makes NO SENSE at all. And look at her whilst Esther is speaking…..she is NOT listening, she is waiting to respond…….Esther sat patiently for like 10 mins and listened politely, whilst everyone else spoke, and as soon as she started speaking Katie sits there rolling her eyes and making faces…..she is so rude & clearly an attention seeker, who hasn’t gotten being rejected 14 years ago and projecting HER OWN struggles to this conversation. Get therapy Katie and get over it.
That's true and I don't know if I'm mis-remembering but didn't dermot o'Leary spill the beans that the show was fixed for Katie to win - and then I think on the second occasion she complained about not getting the right music/ song and so the first time it was rigged for her to win and on the second go-around it gets rigged to see her to fail.
When you are talking about a child going on to a show, who enjoys singing and performing. He does not fully understand the pressure, the hectic schedules, time away from family and friends and the sacrifices of walking away from a normal childhood. The show has the obligation for mental care they are profiting from the success of each individual. As they are minors because perhaps they would have been given the tools to better cope with life challenges and the pressures that some are faced with in the entertainment industry. Maybe Liam and others would still be among us.
Where are the families in all of this? The true duty of care should come from the family first and foremost. Liam Payne attempted X Factor twice. The thirst was real and he made it. Most bands have a 5 year life span. Everyone in the industry knows that.
I'm perplexed as to why Katie cant see how ridiculous it is to suggest that an entertainment company has a legal duty of care 14 years after they left the show. Sure, they were kids then, but now they're all grown and have to take responsibility for their choices. If you want to be famous, you should know what you're signing up for.
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They don't have a legal duty, but they started this ball rolling. That show eats people alive and anyone with half a brain could clearly see, when he auditioned, Liam was different than the others. He was a lot more vulnerable. Many people have sacrificed their careers and walked away from those shows, in particular, Simon Cowell, because of what they...and he...do to you. Because of how bad they are.
I would argue that making the decision to go on the show in the first place is what gets the ball rolling. And yes, all reality / talent shows chew people up and spit them out. That's the nature of the beast and the risk you take when you sign a contract to be on a show like that. Liams parents would have signed that contract for him. I understand that emotions may be running high at the moment given the unfortunate events that occurred, but Katies argument is still ridiculous.
I don’t think Piers exhibited much active listening. Katie expressed a couple of times it wasn’t her choice to go on the show. I wished Piers would have explored that subject and asked her directly who’s choice it was
I think an important question to ask is WHEN Liam was first exposed to alcohol and hard drugs like crack and cocaine. If it was during his time on One Direction, especially in the early years when he was a minor, then YES, Simon Cowell’s company absolutely holds some responsibility here. Who was watching over these boys as they were travelling from country to country and hotel to hotel to make sure they weren’t being exposed to or offered stuff they should not have been?
They were exposed to way too much, way too soon, and Syco could've prevented A LOT of it. When you accept responsibility for someone else's child, it means ACTUALLY being responsible in the way that you care for them.
I’m convinced Liam Payne had a huge amount of internal trauma which often leads to addiction & drug use. He got torn to shreds daily on social media & how anyone can deal with that for a prolonged period must be unbearable. It’s a miracle this doesn’t happen to more young stars
True. But its a great life skill to keep things real, and its priceless to also have at least one friend who tells it to you straight. He was struggling with his lack of solo success, compared to the others, yet telling everyone he's sold the most singles! He's claiming he's the one the group was built around, and the leader of the band. Pure fantasy, and delusional, someone should have stepped in right there and reality checked him. Venomous social media can be avoided or managed by his team to a degree, you take the rough with the smooth. He was craving his fans adoration, that was missing through the music, so he unwisely turned to social media for connection to his fans. Watch Justin Hawkins video on him. Its funny, harsh, but frightening how he actually had Liam totally sussed out.
@@idi0tdetectioninprogressI appreciate the fact that he kept us engaged with him as Liam's fan I enjoyed the socials connection and to me Liam was successful too.
How ironic. A mental health episode ends with everyone bashing and bullying and not letting others speak or be validated. Amazing.
Agree. Hilarious - I laughed through the whole segment
I see that a lot. People talking about mental health everywhere yet some of them are bullies themselves to begin with
Absolutely!
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"We all need to be nicer to each other" then proceed to ridicule each other. Totally embarrassing.
Esther Krakue is always the most dignified guest on this show, patiently waiting for her turn to speak and always presenting her views in an honest and respectful manner, even if it is contentious or controversial.
Ha! Funny you say that, as I was watching I thought all the same things. She is beautiful and smart. She does hold herself very well!
I always think this when I watch her! She's so well-spoken, respectful and calm! And beautiful on top of it all.
We definitely needed to hear more from Esther and way less from Katie!
What's funny about your comment is....Esther is just being NORMAL. But surrounded by insane people, she seems brilliant. Nothing she's saying is really that smart, it's just all common sense. Something so many don't have these days.
Now having said that, I do like to listen to anyone who speak the truth in a dignified way and Esther certainly represents that.
@@factmanamerican882 what’s funny about your comment is the assumption that common sense is common. It’s not! Common sense is a weapon for the intellectual not the emotional.
As a mother of six adult children, i have one adult child who struggles with what is traditionally known as addiction... how much responsibility do we place on the people in his orbit or him? He is my child, i take responsibility for where he's at today, but i also recognise the choices he has made, and still makes. Im not going to waste his life blaming others. I'd rather spend my energy helping him find peace with the man he is!
What a lovely parent you are. Wishing you every success in what you are doing. Great admiration and respect to you.
Liam was thrust into this madness at a very young age , so his managers, producers become his family really and are responsible for him and his well-being, he's just a money maker to dome unscrupulous people in show business.
Liam chose to enter xfactor, he chose to continue in the industry. He also loved having the wealthy lifestyle it gave him. Nothing in life comes without a cost , people work 8 hours a day and never reach the wealth Liam had. At 31 Liam has to be responsible for his choices good and bad
More power to you❤
Howie's comments nails it. We don't treat mental health the same way we would a physical issue.
Esther is always giving a MASTERCLASS on PATIENCE
She is the best
The patience of Ester. Thank you, dear Ester, for being a lady.
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I think Ester had her green screen on loop.
She's taking note of everything that they're saying.
Esther is classy 💯🙌🏻❤️
@@Bella_Pixie_Girl Very true, that.
I love her. Speaks facts.
Katie just made it glaringly apparent why she didn't make it very far on X Factor.
Hit nail on head!
No respect for this lady to speak
She didn’t sell her soul
@@Carolrose1111OH, please!
@@Carolrose1111more like her voice didn't sell!!
Wow so glad you had Howie on. I love that he’s an advocate for mental health wellness.
What is her gripe that the world found out about her nan?
Howie has a phobia an went for help
Katie Waissel comes on & says she's there to talk about her 'dear friend' & spends the whole time making it about herself & the issues she still has with Cowell, like 15 year later!
Exactly that 💯💯💯
Well, she certainly drew attention to herself.
That is the only reason she is on. She is rude & badly behaved.
She certainly Hams up being on a reality show 15 years ago. It’s obviously all she has.
Pathetic really.
..they are attacking her personally so very common response and if they'd stop interrupting her that could move on towards recent events.
S/O to Esther, this woman is always respectful, never disrespects anyone.. always waits for her turn.. just a nice lady…
I certainly don't always agree with her but you're right on that, she's a great panelist she listens & puts her points across really well.
I agree with you - Esther is a very professional person and a very intelligent person
Yes a lovely lady, with a few generally valid points who thinks Beyonce is an upstanding mother and a great idol for society.
forget it,maybe to you.She is very very disrespectful to people way older than her in other shows here in the UK.
I always appreciate the appearance Esther Krakue on your show. To my mind, she is a reliable voice of reason.
Always. James said vile things about The Princess of Wales and her cancer diagnosis and then sits there spouting kindness! Ultimate hypocrisy.
What does sje have to say about Chris Kaba.??? PEIRCE you just have her there as your prop.. got her mind controlled too to serve your stupid show and agenda! You don't truly care! None of you do! Tupac cared tho!
I agree. She's so beautiful too😊
@@Jogibbo1234he’s a drama Queen! 😂
@@Jogibbo1234 I can't stick him loves the sound of his own voice!!
Ester is right! What about Zayn Malik! He had a very public mental breakdown where he couldn’t cope and left the band and disappeared. No interview, no shows, no PR shoots - nothing! He was on a downward spiral but I suppose people around him stepped in and he himself knew he couldn’t carrion like this.
Liam Payne has not been on that show in over a decade. The people that should be questioned are his team. His management especially for not stepping in.
Where’s his family?😢
@@philclegg8169 Yes, and who was his drug dealer ?
Exactly.
Take responsibility for yourself not expecting other people to do it
@@scotth5944 if you read my other comments I elaborate on that.
Loved when Katie basically said “my son is downstairs and he needs me and I’m doing your show even though I don’t want to be on your show so I’m going to go” and then stayed. 3 times.
if she didnt want to be on why was she?
She must've been hypnotised, ridiculous woman 🙄
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She annoyed me😂
of course, this is all they wanted, exposure and get clicks
this Katie Waissel went on Big Brother, cried over an old man making a harmless Jewish joke and got him thrown out the house and labeled a racist. Did she care about his mental health? She sounds like a professional victim.
Is she even married? Together? I doubt it.
She sounds so thirsty for attention. Piers handled her brilliantly 👏. Besides her rude facial expressions when anyone else was talking- she said a bunch of word salad when it was her turn . Can’t even put together a complete thought . 😂
Thank you for addressing the JP. All roads lead to Tel Aviv Zion.
In all fairness Biggins made bad comments about bisexual people too
@@liverpoolpotter4155so
Katie, grow up and stop rolling your eyes...
Agreed she came across pathetic and attention grabbing!! Her appearance was actually embarrassing
Stop forcing her to roll her eyes
Exactly, she's clearly knowledgeable enough &this skittering around the truth is enough 2 frustrate anyone watching!
Katie "I never wanted to be on the show or this show"....
Also Katie "me, me, me, me, me, me, me me, it's all about me"
She is so so annoying
I respect her opinions but dang, those constant eyerolls and facial expressions. She belongs in the theatre not in a debate like this.
Modern women…
@@officialWWM No this is a specific type of woman, the attention seeker!
Absolutely agree
I’m sorry but Katie is a bit of a self proclaimed victim. All the aching gestures on her face throughout. I get that she’s had a terrible experience.. but she’s clearly looking for sympathy.
Maybe don’t come on Piers Morgan expecting a therapy session..
Probably had her 6 year old son against her will too. Who's & where's the father?
@@oysterman962 FACTS!
Cyenk vibes
Don’t know Katie personally but it doesn’t talk a Clinical Psychologist to see she’s wrestling with her own overall mental health
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Katie comes across very entitled. The world owes her NOTHING.
She was like in when she was on the X Factor
@@JoE-yw9hk leave her alone she had to feed her son
She comes across angry that she didn’t win. 14 years later. OMG Her mental health is screwed up. Kept mentioning her hungry son waiting for dinner. Cracked me up
So now it's IMPOSSIBLE for Women with children to behave professional while on a debate?? Pick a Struggle. Be on the internet de dating or be a full time mother. Stop giving her excuses. She's a grown entitled brat.
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Katie Waissel proved herself to be completely unprofessional during this interview. She didn't even deserve the platform you granted her through her appearance. Her points of view are ridiculous.
She is unbelievable bad mannered.
She made everything about herself
James criticises Piers and his show but yet comes on every week
Yea, same with that young democratic spokesman he has on. What's up with that??
@@jefryt67 who’s that?
@@winickp he's in the previous video about Trump. The last person on the thumbnail.
It's easy money obviously
Can you believe he's a comedian?????? He's so insip
Well, we are all very shocked, and feel sorry for Liam but Howie Mandel is correct, Liam was already 31 years old, with a child, with a family and working "solo", his life was in his hands, unfortunately
I appreciate to certain extent what you say but he was very young into the limelight and was obviously not coping. Somebody should have picked up on that and helped him. It's easy to say he should have been able to deal with it at his age but when there are demons it's difficult to get rid. Have some empathy please.❤
@@dianeevans3047 nobody was supposed to do anything. All of it is his choice and his fault.
Speaking of mental health, this woman needs it NOW. SEND IN A TEAM
She sure does need mental health!!!
Huh?? What a bizarre comment!
¿The one in white blouse? Looks like she need someone to help
She seems fine, it’s piers that needs the help. He’s a nasty man
Just a microphone and a mirror all she needs to feel normal.
Nobody but the person himself can protect his mental health
As someone who lost her partner of 5 years to a drugs overdose after helping him so many times until I was at a loss myself. They have to want to get clean themselves! Nothing will work otherwise!
Sorry for your loss
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Experienced the same heartbreaking loss, the guilt and exhaustion is real, so sorry for your loss ❤
to tell the truth, the only thing I saw ppl saving their lives from addictions was Jesus Christ.
@@mamiluisamia that's just not true
Howie is absolutely correct! The biggest issue here is mental health. It's ridiculous to hold the TV shows that made these people famous accountable for what they do a decade plus later
Lmao, no. The biggest issue here is Hollywood being full of predators that create those mental health issues in the first place.
I can't agree more
Let’s not forget drugs do cause mental health issues.
@@Caareenkm6726 agreed.
If they offered them support while they are rising to fame it would make a world of difference. I don’t want him on Canada’s got talent with his attitude
I'm not a Howie fan but him signing off during Katie's lunatic rant was epic
Howie is a genius ❤
It really was 😂😂😂
She looks like a reptilian / elf / demon
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@@stelladevers5334haaaahaaa He looked more like a narcissist on this
He was an adult, a 31 year old man. He is responsible for his decisions himself. He paid consequences of HIS actions. Ppl pick a mental health as an excuse for any action. I am tired of that.
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agree 100% with you ..
Completely agree. This eternal victimhood has to stop. The entitlement has to stop.
MENTAL HEALTH IS REAL. SHUT UP
Katie, Simon Cowell does not have a duty of care 15 years later... get over yourself.
Or 2 years or 5 years after...
To liberals-It's always someone else's fault. They/re always a victim. no personal responsibility
" I was on the show 14yrs ago"😂😂😂 why r they even talking to this loser
She's just gutted she didn't become famous so she is trying to grab attention a different way. Silly girl.
I don't think she's saying that but that had a structured support program been in place at the time things may have been different. Effects are accumulative. Young developing nervous systems need to be given the resources to cope with the nervous system dysregulation that comes with instant fame, fans, media attention...etc
They make enough money off these programs and subsequent sales so they are responsible for a sensible program of care for a period of time. If that was provided disaster may be averted and people may not reach for substances.
That woman is classic example of “I want to be a victim”
she went on Celebrity Big Brother and an old sweet man Christopher Biggins made a light joke about people from Jerusalem and because this Katie is descendant from there she started crying made it into a big deal got this guy thrown out of the house and labeled a racist and antisemite. Did she care about that old man’s mental health? Of course not! And she was a nutcase on that show she clearly has a short fuse.
Another MEGALIAR Meghan Markle.
she cant even sing.. she trying to ride the hype ! Selfish.. abselut selfish
An Amber Heard syndrome
Its more a case of narcissism not mental health. If you know you know.
I'm actually embarrassed for katie , blaming Simon is so ridiculous , there are consequences for your own actions!
She was behaving like a child, the constant eye rolling was embarrassing!
I thought the same, but now I question myself...look into the connection that Simon sold Liam to Diddy...Maybe she was onto something?
She says she didn’t want to be on the panel? Hmm… I wonder why she has been on multiple talent shows and now this…? She just wants attention and that’s it. Pretty obvious really!
Am worried for her son cause she clearly has serious mental health issues that blur he judgement and rationale thinking or touch with reality….she is nut!
I thought this was about the late Liam Payne's struggle? God bless his soul and give his family and friends the strength to get through this hard time.
Something tells me Katie thought this would be an opportunity to show how smart she is but she failed miserably
I'd say she showed precisely how smart she is.
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@@stephengallagher2209 she’s just trying to feed her son, give her a break
@@adamllana1443oh her 6 year old? Ok 😂.. she should have thought of that before going on air!
Dishing out word salads
She’s a complete moron.
Somehow I dont think Katie is gonna win her court case
She wants that ££££
@@theforgottenbrawlers she’s trying to feed her son
@@adamllana1443he’s 6 .. she should have thought of that..
10th on a reality talent show 14 years ago....didn't win..
Waaaaaaaah
She's just after fast big cash and in this life there ain't no "easy" money...
Please no more James and definitely no more Katie, she’s unhinged.
That fool could argue that the colour blue is green if you said so, he is horrific!
I often wonder how anyone can end up as idiotic as Jamsie boy
@terencemarshall not a great analogy as you do in fact need the colour blue to make green.
James is terrible. I wish they'd send home back to his hole.
add the creepy bald narcissist to that list too please.
HOWIE!! ❤❤❤ thank you so much for being open with your mental health issues!
I Also have A through Z!!
Thank you so much for being honest about taking your medication’s! You are the perfect example of how to manage and use your mental health for the good in life by doing the right things such as therapy and taking your medication. I’m so thankful that God put the desire in me to be consistent with my medication and therapy, which I will probably have to be on for the rest of my life, but it’s worth it.!
Thank you Piers!!🙏🏼
He’s loaded on amphetamines.
That Katie one seems to have grudge against the fact no one knows who she is.
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She said a million time that she was in the 2010 show 😂
That Katie is definitely a fruitloop she's bitter because she's a failed popstar 😂
That Katie one 😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂Lol exactly
When they are young, it's the parent's fault. When they are an adult, it's their own responsibility.
100% agree
Agreed. Parents have Legal Parental Responsibility!!! Not the record industry!!!
Why is a show responsible for the man 14 years later.
Exactly! He was a grown man and a father
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He was indeed a dickhead.
because theyre on it. duty of care makes sense. they need food, water, and a bathroom too...
no not 14 years later. no.
A show that takes advantage of children, making money off of them. Cowell is a satanist
@@tooturtlylol, do you not think that what happens to someone at 14 doesnt affect them life long?
This Katie is incredibly ANNOYING, I thought she said she was going like 3times?…
Apparently her kid is not as important as she claims
The fact that that girl thought she needed to make a face when every single person talked for every single second is WILD.
Fr she rlly ruined it
She’s Jewish
that got on me nevers no one understands where people are coming from when they have bad metal health its beyond a total joke and embarassing
Yet could hardly compose sentences correctly herself
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Ester, I totally agree with everything you have said. You are the only one on that panel along with Piers that have talked any sense. Good on you🥰 keep doing what you do. Why did Ester get so little air time? She has so much intellectual input to give. Much love from Kenya 🇰🇪
As a recovering addict you wont stop until you take responsibility for your actions.
As Liam mentioned in his podcast, during xfactor, he was left, as a child , in a hotel room, told not to leave, WITH a fully stocked mini bar. This is what started his issue with alcohol (party for one, he called it!) and ultimately what then contributed to him losing his life. Had there been sufficient safeguarding from Syco, then this would never have happened in the first place. I know there are many contributing factors here, but maybe had he not been put in this situation, at such a young and impressionable age, things might have ended differently. More control measures need to be put in place for the underage contestants, as they need it most.
Esther's face is everyone's face watching this segment - Esther you are a gift
What a classy person Esther seems to be, and such patience! And very well-made points.
Please … never have this “ Katie “ on ever again.
She is clearly too immature and what’s more she can’t sit still and stop the dramatics. It’s completely distracting.
Howie is so right about the lack of mental health care in the US - from an RN who sees this every day in her profession!
Grown adults need to take responsibility for themselves. Period.
Very true and everybody has a friend or family member they can talk to if they wish
See the way it is that if they are continually successful making money having concerts across the world then it is them and their talent that got them there. But when it goes south like it did for Liam it is everybody else's fault. It's typical victimhood narration and people glorifying it
@@dalebrennan7615 Not always. Even some so called "Friends" or family can be exploitative .
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Rumour has it that Katies child is still waiting for their dinner
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Best comment so far! 😅
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Haha, she didn't want to to the interview but obviously had a gun to her head. 😂She came across really badly.
Can we all just take a moment to look away from the trainwreck Katie and James were and behold how beautiful Esther is?
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Absolute Queen 👸 ❤
Why does her appearance matter? If you think she made better points, then say that
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@@MVK123 because I chose to admire her appearance, its that simple.
this whole video and this comment section made me realize so many people don’t understand mental health and how childhood trauma effects you for years and years and years and could probably effect you for the rest of your life. liam payne said himself in an interview they were so young and had access to so many things during one direction especially substances and explained how bad it is to give that access to a bunch of young super famous boys. so therefore his substance issues were developed during one direction which was created by simon cowell on x factor. that’s how he’s connect and is at least partially liable
Can Katie stop doing these interviews. She had her 5 minutes of fame 14 years ago.
She had about 3 minutes. Maybe the world still owes her 2.
It was indeed a tragedy but I totally agree with Esther, at the age of 31and a father he had all the time and money to get himself sorted.
Yes absolutely!!
Alcoholism, drug addiction, are diseases. How easy that is forgotten
Maybe he didn't think he needed the help. Not everyone recognizes their own mental health problems
Howie Mandel you are speaking the truth !!! So wise ! The world needs more like you and more mental health 💜from Canada
Well said Howie!! Thanks everyone and a special thanks to Piers great channel.
I dont particularly care for the Talent shows and I never saw much of Howie Mandel's comedy act, but I am a big fan of him because he is always so introspective. He has dealt with mental health issues his whole life and he isnt afraid to talk about them in an attempt to destigmatize the topic. Hes a very smart man and he seems to more importantly be a very GOOD man and I am a fan of him because of that. Very glad to hear his voice on this very tragic topic
Piers really really really needs a "mute the other guests button".
Thank you so much.
That would be hilairious 🤣Just to see their angry faces still whining ,in silence 😂.
I have thought that many a time but it wouldn’t be Piers Uncensored then😂
Oh no - one of them Graham Norton chairs would be better
He needs a “mute himself” button
@@goread5544 yes
Katie Waissel - nightmare personality
Insufferable
Can't anyone hold a civil conversation anymore without interrupting one another? This is unbearable to watch.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that everybody that is an adult is, at the end of the day, responsible for themselves! So stop blaming everyone else!
Liam was 14! That’s a child in the uk!
I think someone needs to keep an eye on Katie. She seems on the edge
Her 6 year old is irritating her for food.. 😂..
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Stop gaslighting 🥱
Clearly she didn’t accept the invitation to speak about Liam Payne but blab about her own anger and frustration for failing to become relevant.
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Liam was a beautiful talented ❤ young man. No one is perfect we all have our demons. Some have it all yet still struggle inside with some kind of childhood trauma which festers out of control during adulthood temporarily filling the void of emptiness inside 😢
My goodness, Katie might be the most insane person I’ve seen on this show. No self control of her emotions. That’s saying a lot, Katie start taking responsibility for your actions and get some help!
Esther being an absolute gem...love her...have her on every single time!!!!! As for James and Katie....the complete narcissism on both...
Katie is so insane that James actually doesn't stand out as the weird one here.
That’s what I thought , and he was quite content to sit back and let her take centre stage lol 😂😂
Big shout to Esther. Shes a crucial ingrediant on the show . Shes brings great common sanity . Shes spot on in this debate .
Piers , you should have let her have the last word this time .
She deserved to prevail against that mentally "unbalanced" and affected , Katie .
I think Esther is a little confused citing Beyoncé as being someone who has her act together… I’ve no idea if Beyoncé has or not but I’m not sure I’d cite her as an example in this case having seen the amount of photos of her at P Diddys parties and seeing her hanging out with him so much…
OMG…what happened to Liam, as tragic as it is, is Liam’s responsibility, no one else’s. Life is hard. Everyone has it hard. You are responsible for your own life. Period. Simon has no responsibility in this. Liam was on the show a very long time ago
OMGgosh, his girlfriend Kate Cassidy could have been his handler. She worked in a Bar named Ritual when they met.
Beyonce was at the same hotel as Liam.
P Diddy was arrested 16th September.
Liam died 16th October.
What if Liam went into witness protection before Diddy goes to trial.
Yes!!
@erzsebethyoung Somebody forgot to take their meds .... you sound ridiculous
Liam having responsibility for his actions, which he did, for only he could save himself, does not mean Simon has no responsibility. If your going to make millions off a teenage boy, you have a duty of care towards them.
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Katie's argument is like saying The Apprentice still has a duty of care to Piers. What planet does she live on?
After so long, it's up to yourself for a duty of care. I was abused 34 years ago, I sort out my own duty of care now after taking him to court
Planet Irresponsibility
Planet koo koo bird
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People are responsible for their own actions as adults, absolutely ridiculous.
Yes
I found this discussion very difficult to follow! For god sake Pier's, can you at least allow your guests to speak without interruption?! Stop railroading!
"I'm upset because i never made it" - Katie
That’s the angle piers kept trying to introduce with the tenth place shtick. Didn’t really work, it’s not surprising they all got screwed up by that experience. Saying that it’s all fair game because they might get famous is a shallow defence for those shows.
Show business has been chewing people up and spitting them out for decades, everyone knows this... be careful what you wish for
Can't even get a chance to speak properly. None of them are actively listening they're too concerned about what they want to say next.
It’s absurd to think the talent show has to have a lifetime duty of care. What about Liam’s family, Cheryl, his fiancée that most likely knew about his relapse, etc. absurd!
Indeed. Furthermore, who on earth would want the talent show execs to provide that care? I sure the heck wouldn't. This care is supposed to come from your own care system, your beliefs, worldviews, people you confide in and open up to (professional or other) etc.... I've struggled with things under different employers, but I went to my wife and friends to talk things through. I wouldn't want the company I work for to provide some weird type of counselling for me. That would almost seem invasive.
We really don't know what happened. We do know he was doing a boatload of drugs at the time. Liability, yes, while he was on the show. There is no liability once the show was over and many years down the road. Katie Waissel is deluded into thinking otherwise.
Dont think thats what was said or meant. They do while they are on the show and thats what was stated.
this is just more about its everyone elses fault and no one will take personal responsibility
I think she was meaning if the duty of care was there and actually worked from the beginning things might have been different
She never wanted to be on the X factor she didn't want to be on Piers Morgan show but she here.
She's a walking contradiction.
She needs to freaking grow up and take responsibility for HER choices..
@@carolburke9153while her
kid is downstairs waiting for his tea 😅
@@LadyBird-n2t What are HER choices? She was abused by the British public for years in the most horrific ways and the GP still won't accept that? It's insufferable.
@@Divasdinosaursanddemons The public either embraces you or not, whose fault is it?
I’m a mental health advocate and I agree with Howie . Mental health is soo important x
No way should Simon Cowell still be held responsible for someone 14 years down the line?! No way would Liam have wanted a caretaker at 31!
No one with a brain believes that.
That’s not what anyone is suggesting
Ester just said that 14 years down the line and Katie just cackled
Katie rolling her eyes, she’s not a nice person
And you are of course …
Katie is a diva and a drama queen.
@@maryoleary2037exactly
Well at least she is standing up for Liam. That's the main thing.
Attitude 😂
Katies face pulling....so immature
The problem with these arguments is that people today don’t take responsibility for themselves. It was obvious that Liam had issues long ago and he has a family to care for him. The parents have a duty to be an advocate for children in show business
No one is responsible for anybody! You are your own person ,can you help someone? Sure but it comes down to that person wanting to do better and getting the help they need.
We are all responsible for the mental health of other people? That's a crazy statement. I'm responsible for my OWN mental health, that's it.
I think he even initially said we're all *legally* responsible. 😅
Exactly
I feel like societies and the collective culture can have something to do with it. Which is made up of individuals.
You are society.
That's selfish and lacks humanity
When things go well, it’s because of us - our abilities and talents. When things don’t go so well, it’s somebody else’s fault. It’s not about kindness. It’s about taking responsibility.
This is better than the Kardashians Show. The lady on the far right is so chilled, love her.
How do you know she’s far right?
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@@winickp 🤣😂
Esther is fabulous. She is calm, mature, respectful, fair and intelligent. She is always a very welcome panel guest.
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the woman in the white shirt is clearly having some sort of a mental meltdown, i don't think it was a good idea to have her on given how volatile she is.
Very hard to watch
Possibly ADHD..
She embarrassed herself big time
It’s her 6- year old son I feel bad for. He needs protection from her and her neglect as a parent.
@@Paradox370 she looks like she's on something, eye balls wide, chewing her mouth, rolling her eyes, chatting rubbish, can't keep still and her facial expressions are out of this world. She should not be given time on any platform she's out and out rude and disrespectful
Whether he killed himself or it was accidental, the only person responsible for Liam was Liam. Also, Katie has said a whole load of nothing in this interview. Instead of answering, she just says "I'm happy to do X Y Z" or "my son is downstairs wanting dinner".
Say a prayer for whoever has to live with her 🙏
i know right? 😂 How many times has she threatened to go and make dinner. Just go and make it already. I could just see her kid sitting infront of empty an plate, getting his hopes up every time mum mentioned making dinner for him, only for his hopes to be dashed.. again...
I wonder what kind of therapy these people get. My therapist would have wiped the floor with me if I had come up with as many excuses as she is. “I did y want to do xyz” well work on your boundaries then ! Stop blaming everyone one else. Her son needing his dinner is the least of his problems. Liam died through addiction, the others haven’t - so what’s people’s beef with Simon.
She’s a nightmare and completely useless in this interview.
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The struggle was not when he was on the show. This was likely the best time of his life. Such a tragedy, but talking about Simon’s duty of care when Liam was 31 is ridiculous. Liam often spoke with gratitude for his experiences. Who on earth were these embarrassing guests in the middle?! Disastrous.
That lady is bitter about not finding fame and she has no manners.
She doesn’t sound bitter about that at all
Clearly a grifter.
@@boomds5602she definitely sounds bitter about something
Katie kept saying she’s didn’t want to be on the show (X Factor)…..what does that mean? SHE left her house, travelled to the auditions, had the audition and was given a place as a contestant in the live shows……SHE chose to take part, so HOW on earth can she say she didn’t want to be on the show? It makes NO SENSE at all. And look at her whilst Esther is speaking…..she is NOT listening, she is waiting to respond…….Esther sat patiently for like 10 mins and listened politely, whilst everyone else spoke, and as soon as she started speaking Katie sits there rolling her eyes and making faces…..she is so rude & clearly an attention seeker, who hasn’t gotten being rejected 14 years ago and projecting HER OWN struggles to this conversation. Get therapy Katie and get over it.
Yep my thoughts exactly
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That's true and I don't know if I'm mis-remembering but didn't dermot o'Leary spill the beans that the show was fixed for Katie to win - and then I think on the second occasion she complained about not getting the right music/ song and so the first time it was rigged for her to win and on the second go-around it gets rigged to see her to fail.
The two children in the middle throwing tantrums and pulling faces were hilarious
And disrespectful!
When you are talking about a child going on to a show, who enjoys singing and performing. He does not fully understand the pressure, the hectic schedules, time away from family and friends and the sacrifices of walking away from a normal childhood. The show has the obligation for mental care they are profiting from the success of each individual. As they are minors because perhaps they would have been given the tools to better cope with life challenges and the pressures that some are faced with in the entertainment industry. Maybe Liam and others would still be among us.
I have no knowledge about Liam and his situation but can just say that all the help in the world will not help a person that do not want to be helped
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True. You cannot help anyone who cannot help themselves.
Where are the families in all of this? The true duty of care should come from the family first and foremost. Liam Payne attempted X Factor twice. The thirst was real and he made it. Most bands have a 5 year life span. Everyone in the industry knows that.
where was his family? his mates, they all knew he was taking drugs and drinking. They were in denial, they all knew.
Liam was not thirsty ever,he had a talent and did not want to waste and do away with his talent and true to it he made it.
I'm perplexed as to why Katie cant see how ridiculous it is to suggest that an entertainment company has a legal duty of care 14 years after they left the show. Sure, they were kids then, but now they're all grown and have to take responsibility for their choices. If you want to be famous, you should know what you're signing up for.
They don't have a legal duty, but they started this ball rolling. That show eats people alive and anyone with half a brain could clearly see, when he auditioned, Liam was different than the others. He was a lot more vulnerable. Many people have sacrificed their careers and walked away from those shows, in particular, Simon Cowell, because of what they...and he...do to you. Because of how bad they are.
@user above - What do you want them to do? Do you want them to pay for counselling for every person that was ever on the show?
I would argue that making the decision to go on the show in the first place is what gets the ball rolling. And yes, all reality / talent shows chew people up and spit them out. That's the nature of the beast and the risk you take when you sign a contract to be on a show like that. Liams parents would have signed that contract for him. I understand that emotions may be running high at the moment given the unfortunate events that occurred, but Katies argument is still ridiculous.
The damage was done to those 5 boys by year 2..
I don’t think Piers exhibited much active listening. Katie expressed a couple of times it wasn’t her choice to go on the show. I wished Piers would have explored that subject and asked her directly who’s choice it was
I think an important question to ask is WHEN Liam was first exposed to alcohol and hard drugs like crack and cocaine. If it was during his time on One Direction, especially in the early years when he was a minor, then YES, Simon Cowell’s company absolutely holds some responsibility here. Who was watching over these boys as they were travelling from country to country and hotel to hotel to make sure they weren’t being exposed to or offered stuff they should not have been?
It was, started with the alcohol when they were in hotels and weren't allowed outside their rooms
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They were exposed to way too much, way too soon, and Syco could've prevented A LOT of it. When you accept responsibility for someone else's child, it means ACTUALLY being responsible in the way that you care for them.
Cocaine is crack, there not two different drugs🙄
This woman is clearly crazy.
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Her and James are a few fries short of a happy meal
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Love how Piers didn't let her get away with it
My thoughts are with his 7 years old son. I hope that he is shielded from the news and social media as much as possible.
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And eventually gets some nosh....when she decides she didnt want to be on the show in the first place..shes a cartoon
Where is the query, “How did it happen?” There is so much more to the connective responsibilities in this crime…
I’m convinced Liam Payne had a huge amount of internal trauma which often leads to addiction & drug use. He got torn to shreds daily on social media & how anyone can deal with that for a prolonged period must be unbearable.
It’s a miracle this doesn’t happen to more young stars
True. But its a great life skill to keep things real, and its priceless to also have at least one friend who tells it to you straight.
He was struggling with his lack of solo success, compared to the others, yet telling everyone he's sold the most singles! He's claiming he's the one the group was built around, and the leader of the band. Pure fantasy, and delusional, someone should have stepped in right there and reality checked him.
Venomous social media can be avoided or managed by his team to a degree, you take the rough with the smooth. He was craving his fans adoration, that was missing through the music, so he unwisely turned to social media for connection to his fans.
Watch Justin Hawkins video on him. Its funny, harsh, but frightening how he actually had Liam totally sussed out.
@@idi0tdetectioninprogressI appreciate the fact that he kept us engaged with him as Liam's fan I enjoyed the socials connection and to me Liam was successful too.