Really? How's that? He mentioned no sizes for the sockets he used and therefore I can't trust his torque specifications for each bolt. I've seen other videos say 148 ft/lbs for the caliper bracket with 21mm socket. Mine requires a 18mm socket so it must be less. 120 ft/lbs is less but is the socket size 18mm? Is this on a JL or JK Wrangler? Too much missing info to trust the torque specs.
Man!!! You just earned a Like and a Subscription. This video is EXCELLENT!!! I just received my Powerstop Extreme Z36 Brake Set and even though I know how to do brakes, I still like a refresher before I get into a project. Your video is the most thorough and complete install I've ever seen on youtube. Thank you so much. I have so many projects to complete on my JK that I'm sure I'll be watching all of your install vids (past and future). Thank you again.
My rear brakes are due. Will place my order tomorrow for Powerstops. Thanks for your video it will be my first time at doing this and your video makes it look very easy to do.
I ordered the Z23 kit rotors and pads only. As said above, first time I'll be trying out doing this myself. Couple of questions, the brake cleaner is used for the rotors and pads prior to install or only the rotors? Also, do you have to put blue locktite on the bolts holding the caliper structure?
JB Aubry the brake cleaner should be used to clean all areas on the rotor. You do not want to get any grease or debris on it, so use the cleaner to remove any excess dirt. As for the loctite and the bolts for the caliper, yes I would always recommend blue loctite to prevent the bolts from loosening. You don't want those bolts backing out by themselves and then hit the brakes...bad day.
I put these in my JK. Within 3k miles developed a nasty groove in one rotor. Squeals like crazy any right turn. Contacted Powerstop. Warranty only covers cracks. If it would have happened in the first 20 days maybe they would have done something. Taking them off and getting rid of them.
T Rishel did you find out what created the grove? Had to be some serious debris to get lodged in between the pad and rotor to cause that level of damage. Was it bad enough that you could not resurface the rotor?
I love the detail you put into your video. It nice to have the color coding for the bolts and you gave torque specs for us. Easily understandable and excellent video.
@@RockTrooperJeep I went online to purchase these brakes, but they only offer a front brake kit and not a rear kit... could just I order two front brake kits and just place one on the back wheels?
I can't wait to get me a Jeep. I'm going to be upgrading the crap out of it and your videos are going to help. I really like the detail you provide...thanks.
I just installed these on my 392 JL, did the break-in procedure as instructed on the box and now I've got squeaky brakes, the same sound you get when the brakes get wet but they're dry. Does this go away in time? It's only when near a complete stop or when letting off the brake slowly.
I like the setup but since the calipers are OEM replacement is there any real need to upgrade them to the powerstop calipers? Seems the only difference is the powder coating.
Correct, the calipers are OEM simply powder coated red, more for aesthetic purposes really. The real upgrade is with the drilled & slotted rotors and the brake pads.
Great video, I'm glad you like them. I had the Teraflex big brake kit installed on both my axles. It is so far the best investment I've put into my JK thus far. Already prevented an accident in the middle of an intersection.
Hi Jeeper, I purchased the same brake system because of your video! This is a great video, nice, neat, and straightforward. This will be very helpful for my installation. Unfortunately, I did't see you post the bleed video yet. I'm really looking forward to it!
Chaojie Huang thanks, I appreciate the feedback! I had never gotten around to getting the video completed for the bleeding of the brakes. Next time I work on the brake lines I have it listed as an item to do. In the meantime, search UA-cam for one man bleeder and you should find plenty of examples.
Very well done video. You could save time if you just took off the bolts that hold the calipers on. The whole caliper can be removed and hung up. Also I like to put the caliper together on my bench, then install the whole thing with the brake shoes in it. No need to take the clam shell apart.
Thank you so much for sharing this video. The step-by-step was top notch, and your level of detail was just what I was looking for. I am not the most mechanically inclined person in the world, but I am very meticulous. For example, I was curious how you had your hoses routed in relation to the sway bar and other things. I was able to see all of that by your video an pictures. If I did not have all of this I would be in panic mode.
@@RockTrooperJeep it did big time man! I am finishing up the front brakes today. Also, which brake hoses did you have there? I bought the power stop ones. The banjo fitting on yours looks different than mine.
I will probably get the calipers just because they will match my red truck nicely lol. I know they are factory remanufactured calipers but I figure since my truck is a 2003 making my stock calipers 16 years old I think it would be worth getting a freshly remanufactured set, wouldn't you agree?
thank you for this step -by-step ... someone asked below if since the new powder coated calipers are OEMs whats the benefit? i would suggest that aged Rigs can very much benefit from replacement calipers for like band new and long term performance. can wait to get this kit on the thing! thanks again
Guy Toniolo thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. Correct on the OEM calipers, no performance upgrade there, just an appearance change. The improvement comes in with the brake rotors and pads and with larger tires, it definitely makes a difference!
Great video! Quick question, if the red calipers are just for looks, can you get the system without the red calipers and resuse the stock ones to save some money?
Yes you can. You can purchase the rotors and brake pads separately and I also believe they have them in a package as well. Check out this link and choose the right model that fits your rig: amzn.to/2n7Cyp8
John Smith you can get just the pads and rotors if you want, that is where the performance upgrade is at. The red calipers are OEM powdercoated and just give it a nice look. Good luck with your Jeep and future upgrades, it never ends!
Hey Ward, thanks for the feedback. Yep, the calipers are just the same OEM calipers powder coated red. No upgrade there, but like you said it does give it a bit more show than stock. I'll have to add in a link for the package from Amazon to the video.
Do the rotors rust if it sits outside on a rainy day or in high humidity? What are you using instead of universal joints on the front axle? Where can I find the torque specs, if I forget what you posted? Last but not least, GREAT video.
Hey Pasqulae, just like every other rotor, you'll get a bit of surface rust on the rotors however it will clear right up once you hit the brakes. What specifically are you asking about for "universal joints on the front axle"? Are you talking about the ball joints or something else? The torque specs for the brake system are on the video, you should be able to go to each section and pause it to record the specs. Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
lol, yeah that is one of the older 12" Han and Taun-Taun that I was moving out of the garage. I always try and sneak something Star Wars into the video ;)
Hi Rocktrooper, I ordered the Powerstop rotor and caliper from Extreme Terrain and they sent me the wrong size for my 4 door jeep Rubicon 2017 model. The only thing they sent correct was the pads which fit my old OEM rotors and calipers. But they don't fit the new rotor or caliper. Really pissed off cause I had to pay thousand in shipping to Saudia Arabia.
Richard Greener thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. The RCV axles are awesome! Besides with the routine maintenance (greasing) I have no complaints at all. On my new rig I have a D60 front and I'll be upgrading those with RCV as well.
grapplingteacher thanks for the feedback!, appreciate it. No, I never got around to shooting that video. I know there are a lot of one man bleeder vids out there though. A quick search should find you what you need.
The first thing I noticed going into this video is that when you took off the old rotor you didn't show yourself cleaning the surfaces so you get an even run out. Just one piece of rust between those two surfaces will make those things a piece of s*** and less than 5000 miles and you will feel a shimmy when you break. Am I correct in saying that?
Hello John, are you referring to any debris in between the rotor and the pad? if so, yes you do not want anything in between these 2 components as they will ruin each. You can spray the surface of the rotor with brake cleaner if desired, however a quick inspection, to ensure there is no debris, of each before installing is really all that is needed. Hope this helps.
John, your instructions are with great etiquette. are the rotors larger than OEM? what makes this brake kit more advanced? I've seen some kits that have a larger caliper.
Hello Nalia, thanks for the feedback! The rotors are the same size as OEM. The upgrade there comes with the drilled and slotted enhancements to the rotor. Also, the brake pads are an upgrade from the factory pads. These combined provide you with a better braking performance. I would consider this a Stage 1 upgrade. Stage 2 would be larger calipers with more pistons and larger rotors. This combination would give you a larger increase in braking power. Hope this helps. Any questions, let me know.
Sean Knight I had sold the rig earlier this year, however the brakes were great and I had no issues. The better pads and the rotors were definitely an improvement over OEM.
casy casy unfortunately I had never gotten around to shooting some of the components and editing. There are plenty of videos you can search on for one man Brake bleeder. Next time I bleed out my brakes I will be sure to get that done.
jimmy jk332 at highway speeds, yes there is a difference slowing down. At lower or rock crawling speeds, no. I installed these because I put bigger wheels and tires on it and I wanted to get better stopping power. Keep in mind too, that the calipers are OEM, so the upgrades comes with the performance pads and rotors. I would say it is worth the upgrade.
OSU Bucks421 I had not had any problems with mid or rocks getting stuck in the slots or holes. I am sure it is possible, but had not had it happen to me.
徐子钧 just like any rotor there could be surface rust that will be removed upon first braking. As for painting, no you never want to paint he rotor. If you are talking about the calipers, they already come powder coated red from Powerstop. Does this answer your question?
The "seat of my pants" test does feel like there is a better braking from faster speeds. Before the upgrade I did not feel I was getting enough stopping power, now I feel a better response and a quicker stopping time on the road.
Make sure you “break in” the pads after installation, it’s very important.. get brakes nice and hot, then let them cool, while NEVER coming to a complete stop. It’s the most important part. Not doing this or doing it improperly will cause pads to wear fast and wrong, and can also warp the fancy new rotors.
talljeeper thanks for the feedback, appreciate it! Bedding in the brakes was easy, I think I placed a link to the process in the video description. I would say definitely worth it since I was rolling 37s, it’s not a dual piston caliper upgrade, however is worth it for the extra stopping power on OEM brake setup.
I own a 2006 TJ Rubicon. I am wanting to do an upgrade on my Jeep, though I am not fully convinced that there will be a noticeable improvement. Any supportive research would be greatly helpful...
Jon W I’m assuming that you want to do a brake upgrade? The first question I would ask is why? This setup is for the JK and with all of the extra weight (armor) and bigger wheels and tires, it is beneficial to get more stopping power, especially at highway speeds. I noticed an improvement after I upgraded. On your TJ, although not as much weight as the JK (assuming it’s not overloaded for overland), try upgrading your brake pads first and see if that helps.
Theodore Tyma I never got around to filming a brake bleed on the Jeep. You should be able to search UA-cam for one, I have seen several by searching Jeep Wrangler Brake Bleed.
2Phast4Rocket yes the rotors are the same size as OEM, the upgrades comes with the drilled and slotted rotor. Additionally, the brake pad is better then OEM. I would say if you are going to replace worn out rotors and pads, this is definitely an improvement over stock.
I definitely give the benefit of the doubt to the brake pad. However, with bigger tires, I want to upgrade to bigger brake rotor because physics dictate bigger rotors are needed to stop the Jk with bigger tires. Cool paint job however.
Yes, anytime you disrupt the existing setup, you need to bleed it. You can look up best methods, however I believe you start with the furthest away from the reservoir and work your way into the closest.
Quick question did you have to buy the calipers separate?? That link is just for the rotors and pads and I can't seem to find a place or anything that has the entire set. Thanks Daniel.
Daniel Kmetz they change the links and products often on Amazon, try this link and check to make sure they fit your model Jeep Wrangler: amzn.to/2wkWZma
Daniel Kmetz awesome, I think you will like the upgrade. Just make to sure properly "bed in" the ceramic brake pads to the rotors. They provide specific instructions with the kit to do so.
I think an upgrade on the brakes like this may give the Jeep wrangler models a higher tow rating. As it is, a 4 door jeep has a towing capacity of 3500 lbs. Ive been wanting to tow a Winnabego micro mini RV that is 3300 lbs. (Dry weight) With it loaded with food, clothing etc add another 200 or 300 lbs. Peaking it at 3600 lbs... You think a break upgrade such as the extreme Z36 will help out a lot? They say the only reason Jeep Wranglers, Sport, Saharah, Rubicon etc, have low tow ratings is because the factory brakes cant handle a heavy load. (and a bouncy rear coil)..But this looks like a soultion yeah?
Jimmy Maddox while you would get better braking capability out of the upgraded pads and rotors, there is more to the tow rating than just your brakes. I would not consider this a significant enough upgrade to account for the extra stopping power on more then the approved towing capacity of the wrangler. Other things to consider, driveshaft, differentials, transmission, hitch weight, etc...all should be factored in.
Thank you ... good information. I think now, I wont try to tow an RV...dont want to ruin the jeep, transmission etc...mind as well get a truck... But when boondocking I love to have the jeep... sux.
How do you like the power stop brakes?? any problems with getting dirt and mud in the holes and slots? has that been an issue? i just bought the kit and now not sure if that would be a problem??
Los Angeles Aerial Image no, not a problem at all. I used to think the same, about getting a pebble stuck in one of the drilled holes and destroying no the pad. However, I ran it thru the desert and rocky/muddy/sandy areas and never had a problem.
MAKE SURE you heat the pads properly after installation! Need to get your brakes super hot, then let them cool without ever coming to a full stop. Not doing this correctly can cause multiple problems.. These brakes provide similar stopping power to stock at low speed.. but during heavy, high speed braking, they are far superior to regular brakes 👍👍👍👍.. I love them..
I am also deciding between the Z23 or the Z36's Does the Z36's put off lots of brake dust? more or less dust compared to the stock pads? I have 2012 Ram Cummins 4x4 with 6inch lift running 37's and want to go with the Z36's. I have Bendix extreme duty on the front, I cant stand the brake dust they put off!! I can't even go 80-100 miles after washing my rims before you can see the dust all over the rims again.
onebad cummins I cannot say if it expels a lot of brake dust. Typically anytime I take it off-road I end up cleaning it thoroughly afterward, so I really do nit notice. The upgraded pads/rotors did make a difference in braking, that's for sure.
With the larger tires and slowing down at highway speeds, yes. Not during off-road or slow/rolling stops. Keep in mind the calipers are OEM, so no performance gain there, however the rotors and pads are an upgrade. Hope this helps!
@@RockTrooperJeep Thank you!! I just bought a Wrangler. It came with a dual steering stabilizer, I took it to a well known Jeep mod shop to look it over, they said I should remove them and go with just a bar. Do you feel the same?
The stabilizer/steering setup comes down to preference and use. If the steering is dialed in perfectly, than some people say it is not needed as it just masks failures in the steering. I’ve run both and have never had issues either way, however both should be maintained based on how you drive it.
So what's the "long term" review look like on these? You've got quite a bit of money into the suspension and I know that works flawlessly, but can the same be said for the brakes?
kswyg I had sold the rig not too long ago, so I can swear up to the time I had it. There were no problems at all. Pads wore evenly and there was no issue with either the replacement calipers or discs. I never had a problem with any rocks or debris getting into the drilled section. Over all no complaints at all.
Whats good RockTrooper. I was wondering if you still have them on your Jeep, How are they holding up, did the calipers/rotors rust? I've seen some bad rust reviews on the Powerstop. Im thinking of buy the same set for my 300c. Thanks for the vid
nikkodogz I had since sold this Jeep, however did not have any issues with rust on the calipers over the couple of years I had after the install. I may have had rust on the rotors, but that came off quick after braking. The powder coating on the calipers was good, no issues
Hey RT! It's been a year since you made this video. I just added added a few things and noticed my brakes aren't as great any more. I like how these are OEM calipers... But I'm interested in knowing how the rotors and pads did? Any issues with the rotors cracking? How's the stopping during daily driving?
Tomasz Tyka I had sold RT recently however I had never had an issue with the brake pads or rotors. I did do frequent checks on components on the Jeep before trips, including the brakes and there was never an issue. In fact I know a lot of people that use these pads and rotors and have never heard a complaint. Hope this helps.
RockTrooper I appreciate you getting back to me so soon! Hopefully the rotors will fit my Procomp 97 17x9s. I'm sorry to her you sold your Jeep! What're you driving/working on now?
Tomasz Tyka oh yeah, definitely working on another rig. I have been working with TrailRecon on the build. Check out his channel and you can see the current project.
Hey +RockTrooper, I was curious if you would know if these rotors were direct replacements for the OEMs for my 2017 JKU Sport? I'm finding a lot of mixed information online.
Tomasz Tyka hmmm, that I do not know. I would say that the rotors should fit, however I am not sure about the calipers. I would suggest looking up the part number for the 17 and see if it has changed. You may also want to give Powerstop a call and see if they can tell you. I would think they would know quickly.
Hey Nick, thanks for the reminder. I have been busy and have not been able to get it all edited and posted. I'll see if I can get it done soon and I'll post back here again when complete.
Hey Mjones, the calipers are factory calipers, just powder coated red. So the brake setup will still fit OEM if you just use the pads. As for the longevity of the pads, that is a good question. I'm not sure how long they will last, but will be sure to put up how long they last me when I change mine out. The warranty for the brakes can be found here: www.powerstop.com/653/. Hope this helps!
@@RockTrooperJeep Awesome! This was my first ever brake job and I'm 61! :-) I'm going to bleed them once more next weekend but they are working great. Very glad i did it.
@@victorcordero1458 No I didn't. :-| I am just learning and that wasn't part of the kit I bought. NONE of what I did NEEDED to be done. All the parts I took off were in great shape so I have backups. Therefore, I think the master cylinder is probably okay too.
How was the break in on these? Feels like every time I order new parts and look up install videos you come up. I swear I am not copying you... LOL Great job keep up the great work. Love my Lux Lighting another purchase I made and found your helpful video for install. Also this is my daughters account my name is Mike.
Ashley Rooney ha! No worries at all, I'm glad my videos help! The break in period is easy, they provide instructions to "bed in" the rotors and I think I put a link to them online in the video description.
RockTrooper wow, thank you so much for the response! I know it’s been awhile since you’ve posted this video, but I appreciate your help. Quick question for you, my Jeep is like a dark midnight blue... have you ever seen a Jeep with that color, have Red calipers? I’m trying to ask myself if it would actually look good. What do you think?
Brandon Bell beauty is in the eye of the beholder! One thing I’ve learned is that everyone will see something different in a Jeep upgrade. I think it would look good and once you get it on, I think you will too.
RockTrooper alright, thank you so much for sharing this video, and thank you again for your feedback as well! I hope you have an excellent rest of the week!
If you do any offroading whatsoever drilled and slotted rotors are not a good idea. Even rally cars don't use them. They will trap dirt and mud and create uneven wear of the pad and rotor. Trapped dirt in the drill holes can also lead to microfractures and eventually larger cracks in the rotor due to mechanical stress and heat cycling.
Braedon I would agree that there is a possibility of getting debris trapped in the drill or slot on the rotor, however I had never had a problem and a majority of my off-roading is in desert/ rocky areas.
Francisco Tavarez the Powerstop brake kit are upgraded rotors and pads, using OEM calipers (just powdercoated red), so you are keeping the same OEM specs, just with some upgraded components. With the TF BBK, you get upgraded components in the rotor and caliper size, at a much higher price. I ran this Powerstop kit on 37” tires and they worked great, never had a problem
Made in China parts. They changed the formula on the brake pads. My experience the pads are not all that good. They are what we call peanut butter pads. The material on the pads pushes out toward the sides and it wears unevenly. I went through 4 sets of pads in a year.
That’s odd, I did not have any issues with the rotors or the pads over several years. Had you contacted PowerStop and told them of your issues? Perhaps you had a breaking system issue.
I just received these for my car, the compete set..but the front calipers didn't come with any copper washers, the back ones did, but not the front...did yours? EDIT: Not this exact model number, but the set that's made for my specific car.
Yes, the copper washers came with all of the caliper replacements. You do not want to reuse your existing. I would suggest contacting PS and see if they can send you some or just go up to your local auto shop / parts store and they should have a set of copper washers you can buy.
RockTrooper I assuming they just plain forgot to add the washers to the front set of calipers...that's unlike PS. Disappointing all the same. Thankyou for the reply. btw, yours look absolutely fierce on your Jeep! As a matter of fact this was the video that originally inspired me to drop 600 bucks on this set a few months back. Just got em, and besides the missing washers they look amazing!, although the 2 back calipers are different from each other, not sure what that's about.
RockTrooper Ya they match, but their different from each other in several small ways. I called PS and they said that one of the calipers was old, and one was new, and that several small changes were made to the new...Really disappointed that they would do that to somebody, like dam if you only got one old one left, throw it, and send a pair of matching new ones..
I don't understand why you would replace perfectly good calipers with the same part. The only reason I would replace a caliper is with a 4 pot design or at least twin pot.
edgarmonzon624 yes, I did miss doing a final stopping video when I completed the upgrade. I can assure you that the Jeep does stop when pushing on the brakes. 👍
your display of parts, tools, and work area is so much better than others
Jamie Preder thanks, I appreciate the feedback!
Really? How's that? He mentioned no sizes for the sockets he used and therefore I can't trust his torque specifications for each bolt. I've seen other videos say 148 ft/lbs for the caliper bracket with 21mm socket. Mine requires a 18mm socket so it must be less. 120 ft/lbs is less but is the socket size 18mm? Is this on a JL or JK Wrangler? Too much missing info to trust the torque specs.
Man!!! You just earned a Like and a Subscription. This video is EXCELLENT!!! I just received my Powerstop Extreme Z36 Brake Set and even though I know how to do brakes, I still like a refresher before I get into a project. Your video is the most thorough and complete install I've ever seen on youtube. Thank you so much. I have so many projects to complete on my JK that I'm sure I'll be watching all of your install vids (past and future). Thank you again.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Glad the video helped!
This is the best video I've seen covering anything to do with the JK brakes/upgrade. Very well done, thank you
Also, how did this set hold up? Contemplating this upgrade, even though I watched this video for another reason.
Thanks for the feedback, glad the video helped. I had since sold this Jeep, however I had no issues at all when I had it.
@@RockTrooperJeep Great to hear, thanks!
My rear brakes are due. Will place my order tomorrow for Powerstops. Thanks for your video it will be my first time at doing this and your video makes it look very easy to do.
Hello JB, thanks for the feedback! Are you planning on replacing the rotors, calipers and pads on your rear axle?
I ordered the Z23 kit rotors and pads only. As said above, first time I'll be trying out doing this myself. Couple of questions, the brake cleaner is used for the rotors and pads prior to install or only the rotors? Also, do you have to put blue locktite on the bolts holding the caliper structure?
JB Aubry the brake cleaner should be used to clean all areas on the rotor. You do not want to get any grease or debris on it, so use the cleaner to remove any excess dirt. As for the loctite and the bolts for the caliper, yes I would always recommend blue loctite to prevent the bolts from loosening. You don't want those bolts backing out by themselves and then hit the brakes...bad day.
I put these in my JK. Within 3k miles developed a nasty groove in one rotor. Squeals like crazy any right turn. Contacted Powerstop. Warranty only covers cracks. If it would have happened in the first 20 days maybe they would have done something. Taking them off and getting rid of them.
T Rishel did you find out what created the grove? Had to be some serious debris to get lodged in between the pad and rotor to cause that level of damage. Was it bad enough that you could not resurface the rotor?
Loved the video. As a non-gear head I liked the step-by-step method. Makes me think that I can do this myself in my garage.
G Kidwell thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. The upgrade really is as easy as that.
I love the detail you put into your video. It nice to have the color coding for the bolts and you gave torque specs for us. Easily understandable and excellent video.
Chase Parkison thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. Glad the video helped!
@@RockTrooperJeep I went online to purchase these brakes, but they only offer a front brake kit and not a rear kit... could just I order two front brake kits and just place one on the back wheels?
Chase, the full kit can be found here: amzn.to/2PNAVb8 Just make sure it fits your year Jeep.
I can't wait to get me a Jeep. I'm going to be upgrading the crap out of it and your videos are going to help. I really like the detail you provide...thanks.
LOL! Owning a Jeep Wrangler is a sickness, you have been warned! Thanks for the feedback :)
U just saved me $900 for a brake job. Ty
Glad the video helped!
I just installed these on my 392 JL, did the break-in procedure as instructed on the box and now I've got squeaky brakes, the same sound you get when the brakes get wet but they're dry. Does this go away in time? It's only when near a complete stop or when letting off the brake slowly.
I like the setup but since the calipers are OEM replacement is there any real need to upgrade them to the powerstop calipers? Seems the only difference is the powder coating.
Correct, the calipers are OEM simply powder coated red, more for aesthetic purposes really. The real upgrade is with the drilled & slotted rotors and the brake pads.
+John Golden (RockTrooper) awesome love the build keep making your videos.
+tdeisher79 will do, thanks for the support!
Great video
Awesome, awesome video. Nice to see a guy putting something out there that helps many. Thanks!
Great video, I'm glad you like them. I had the Teraflex big brake kit installed on both my axles. It is so far the best investment I've put into my JK thus far. Already prevented an accident in the middle of an intersection.
+Chaplain Bill Wow, yeah if it saved you from getting into an accident, definitely worth the upgrade!
@@RockTrooperJeep This video is not the TeraFlex Big Brake upgrade
Hi Jeeper,
I purchased the same brake system because of your video! This is a great video, nice, neat, and straightforward. This will be very helpful for my installation. Unfortunately, I did't see you post the bleed video yet. I'm really looking forward to it!
Chaojie Huang thanks, I appreciate the feedback! I had never gotten around to getting the video completed for the bleeding of the brakes. Next time I work on the brake lines I have it listed as an item to do. In the meantime, search UA-cam for one man bleeder and you should find plenty of examples.
are those just standard high lift jacks? or a special model? Excellent video. I think I will actually attempt this.
scott macarthur thanks for the feedback. The jack stands are Craftsman professional extra high lift stands, set for 3 tons with max height of 21”
Very well done video.
You could save time if you just took off the bolts that hold the calipers on. The whole caliper can be removed and hung up. Also I like to put the caliper together on my bench, then install the whole thing with the brake shoes in it. No need to take the clam shell apart.
Excellent work as always. Thanks for another fine video for all us JK owners.
Thank you so much for sharing this video. The step-by-step was top notch, and your level of detail was just what I was looking for. I am not the most mechanically inclined person in the world, but I am very meticulous. For example, I was curious how you had your hoses routed in relation to the sway bar and other things. I was able to see all of that by your video an pictures. If I did not have all of this I would be in panic mode.
Thanks for the feedback! I am glad the video helped!
@@RockTrooperJeep it did big time man! I am finishing up the front brakes today. Also, which brake hoses did you have there? I bought the power stop ones. The banjo fitting on yours looks different than mine.
Another great informative installation video! Nice calipers!
Thanks!
Wow, when Brad Underwood comments, that is impressive!
I will probably get the calipers just because they will match my red truck nicely lol. I know they are factory remanufactured calipers but I figure since my truck is a 2003 making my stock calipers 16 years old I think it would be worth getting a freshly remanufactured set, wouldn't you agree?
thank you for this step -by-step ... someone asked below if since the new powder coated calipers are OEMs whats the benefit? i would suggest that aged Rigs can very much benefit from replacement calipers for like band new and long term performance. can wait to get this kit on the thing! thanks again
Guy Toniolo thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. Correct on the OEM calipers, no performance upgrade there, just an appearance change. The improvement comes in with the brake rotors and pads and with larger tires, it definitely makes a difference!
Great video! Quick question, if the red calipers are just for looks, can you get the system without the red calipers and resuse the stock ones to save some money?
Yes you can. You can purchase the rotors and brake pads separately and I also believe they have them in a package as well. Check out this link and choose the right model that fits your rig: amzn.to/2n7Cyp8
great video are the rear bolts torqed to different ft lbs then the front
casy casy you can find the torque specs here: project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-ups/jeep-jk-wrangler-torque-settings#brakes
looking for the I man bleeder video
scott macarthur I never got around to doing one, however there are plenty on UA-cam that you can look up.
so the rotors are the same size as oem?
Cant find the one man bleed system was it taken down?
Nico F I never got around to shooting all of the footage. You should be able to search for “1 man bleeder” and get quite a few results on it.
Fantastic job. Is there a difference in your braking ?
John Smith yes, noticeable braking at highway speeds with the larger wheel and tire combo
@@RockTrooperJeep Excellent. I have a 1 yr old JKU. Will make this upgrade or larger disks once I need to replace the OEM pads.
John Smith you can get just the pads and rotors if you want, that is where the performance upgrade is at. The red calipers are OEM powdercoated and just give it a nice look. Good luck with your Jeep and future upgrades, it never ends!
Amazon has the whole kit for $986.89. That DOES include the fancy red calipers. Much cheaper using stock but doesn't look as cool. Great video RT.
Hey Ward, thanks for the feedback. Yep, the calipers are just the same OEM calipers powder coated red. No upgrade there, but like you said it does give it a bit more show than stock. I'll have to add in a link for the package from Amazon to the video.
Did you "bed in" the breaks? looks good and always great whit good breaks when you are in the woods also.
Chris, yes. In the video description I post the link to Powerstop break in procedure for the pads/rotors.
Do the rotors rust if it sits outside on a rainy day or in high humidity?
What are you using instead of universal joints on the front axle?
Where can I find the torque specs, if I forget what you posted?
Last but not least, GREAT video.
Hey Pasqulae, just like every other rotor, you'll get a bit of surface rust on the rotors however it will clear right up once you hit the brakes. What specifically are you asking about for "universal joints on the front axle"? Are you talking about the ball joints or something else? The torque specs for the brake system are on the video, you should be able to go to each section and pause it to record the specs. Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
I was asking about your axle but I found my answer on another youtube video. I was refering to your RCV performance axle upgrade.
Ahh, yes. The front axle shafts have been upgraded with the RCV axles.
great video just wondering where you purchase those calipers.
aikitkd thanks for the feedback. Depending on what year Wrangler you have, this fits most model JK amzn.to/2P3fRPr
Don’t see the link you said about one person brake bleeding
Great video John. Love the red!
Thanks Dennis, appreciate the feedback
I would only suggest that you mention to bleed brakes after work is done.
Great video. Ordered mine, gonna do them next weekend. Thanks for the very detailed video.
BravoFix anytime, glad it helped out!
Excellent!!! instruction and thorough explanation, bravo.
I see Star Wars at 3:16, what is it? Great work!
lol, yeah that is one of the older 12" Han and Taun-Taun that I was moving out of the garage. I always try and sneak something Star Wars into the video ;)
Hi Rocktrooper, I ordered the Powerstop rotor and caliper from Extreme Terrain and they sent me the wrong size for my 4 door jeep Rubicon 2017 model. The only thing they sent correct was the pads which fit my old OEM rotors and calipers. But they don't fit the new rotor or caliper. Really pissed off cause I had to pay thousand in shipping to Saudia Arabia.
Aren’t slotted rotors not good if you’re in the mud or sand ?
I don’t know, I have never had an issue with mud, sand, rocks or any debris getting stuck or causing any damage to the rotors/pads.
Very well done video. How do you like your CV style axle shafts?
Richard Greener thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. The RCV axles are awesome! Besides with the routine maintenance (greasing) I have no complaints at all. On my new rig I have a D60 front and I'll be upgrading those with RCV as well.
Great video! Did you post the link to the ‘One man brake bleed’?
grapplingteacher thanks for the feedback!, appreciate it. No, I never got around to shooting that video. I know there are a lot of one man bleeder vids out there though. A quick search should find you what you need.
The first thing I noticed going into this video is that when you took off the old rotor you didn't show yourself cleaning the surfaces so you get an even run out. Just one piece of rust between those two surfaces will make those things a piece of s*** and less than 5000 miles and you will feel a shimmy when you break. Am I correct in saying that?
Hello John, are you referring to any debris in between the rotor and the pad? if so, yes you do not want anything in between these 2 components as they will ruin each. You can spray the surface of the rotor with brake cleaner if desired, however a quick inspection, to ensure there is no debris, of each before installing is really all that is needed. Hope this helps.
John, your instructions are with great etiquette. are the rotors larger than OEM? what makes this brake kit more advanced? I've seen some kits that have a larger caliper.
Hello Nalia, thanks for the feedback! The rotors are the same size as OEM. The upgrade there comes with the drilled and slotted enhancements to the rotor. Also, the brake pads are an upgrade from the factory pads. These combined provide you with a better braking performance. I would consider this a Stage 1 upgrade. Stage 2 would be larger calipers with more pistons and larger rotors. This combination would give you a larger increase in braking power. Hope this helps. Any questions, let me know.
How are the new brakes and the red calipers holding up thanks for the video
Sean Knight I had sold the rig earlier this year, however the brakes were great and I had no issues. The better pads and the rotors were definitely an improvement over OEM.
did you make the one man brake bleed video
casy casy unfortunately I had never gotten around to shooting some of the components and editing. There are plenty of videos you can search on for one man Brake bleeder. Next time I bleed out my brakes I will be sure to get that done.
Can you feel the difference between the old ones and the new ones is it worth the money
jimmy jk332 at highway speeds, yes there is a difference slowing down. At lower or rock crawling speeds, no. I installed these because I put bigger wheels and tires on it and I wanted to get better stopping power. Keep in mind too, that the calipers are OEM, so the upgrades comes with the performance pads and rotors. I would say it is worth the upgrade.
You want smooth rotors for an off road truck. Mud gets packed in the holes.
OSU Bucks421 I had not had any problems with mid or rocks getting stuck in the slots or holes. I am sure it is possible, but had not had it happen to me.
Would the rotors get rust where they cannot touch the brake pad, like the side of the rotor? Do I need paint it before installation?
徐子钧 just like any rotor there could be surface rust that will be removed upon first braking. As for painting, no you never want to paint he rotor. If you are talking about the calipers, they already come powder coated red from Powerstop. Does this answer your question?
徐子钧 I reread your question about the rust. I had never had them rust anywhere on the rotor, even where the brake pads do not contact the rotor
How have the brakes performed over the years? Anything happen to the rotors, pads or calibers?
how did they perform is the real question
The "seat of my pants" test does feel like there is a better braking from faster speeds. Before the upgrade I did not feel I was getting enough stopping power, now I feel a better response and a quicker stopping time on the road.
I put these on my 2015 Silverado.. they have significantly more power during heavy, high speed braking
Make sure you “break in” the pads after installation, it’s very important.. get brakes nice and hot, then let them cool, while NEVER coming to a complete stop. It’s the most important part. Not doing this or doing it improperly will cause pads to wear fast and wrong, and can also warp the fancy new rotors.
Excellent video.
Thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated!
Is this a metalcloak suspension lift?
It appears as the upper and lower control arms in the front are installed backwards??
Ted Renz yes and they were changed out when I realized that as well.
VERY NICE VIDEO! Well Done! What was the break-in procedure like? What were your impressions of the upgrade...worth it? Thanks
talljeeper thanks for the feedback, appreciate it! Bedding in the brakes was easy, I think I placed a link to the process in the video description. I would say definitely worth it since I was rolling 37s, it’s not a dual piston caliper upgrade, however is worth it for the extra stopping power on OEM brake setup.
I own a 2006 TJ Rubicon. I am wanting to do an upgrade on my Jeep, though I am not fully convinced that there will be a noticeable improvement. Any supportive research would be greatly helpful...
Jon W I’m assuming that you want to do a brake upgrade? The first question I would ask is why? This setup is for the JK and with all of the extra weight (armor) and bigger wheels and tires, it is beneficial to get more stopping power, especially at highway speeds. I noticed an improvement after I upgraded. On your TJ, although not as much weight as the JK (assuming it’s not overloaded for overland), try upgrading your brake pads first and see if that helps.
I didn’t see the link for the brake bleeding, where can i find that video?
Theodore Tyma I never got around to filming a brake bleed on the Jeep. You should be able to search UA-cam for one, I have seen several by searching Jeep Wrangler Brake Bleed.
Thanks for the video instruction. Unless the rotors are of larger size, the video show the same size, i don't see the need to upgrade
2Phast4Rocket yes the rotors are the same size as OEM, the upgrades comes with the drilled and slotted rotor. Additionally, the brake pad is better then OEM. I would say if you are going to replace worn out rotors and pads, this is definitely an improvement over stock.
I definitely give the benefit of the doubt to the brake pad. However, with bigger tires, I want to upgrade to bigger brake rotor because physics dictate bigger rotors are needed to stop the Jk with bigger tires. Cool paint job however.
2Phast4Rocket oh, yes I agree with you 100%! If you can go to a bigger rotor, dual piston caliper for an overall bigger breaking system, absolutely!
Do you have to bleed all 4 brakes after ? If you do is there a specific order ?
Yes, anytime you disrupt the existing setup, you need to bleed it. You can look up best methods, however I believe you start with the furthest away from the reservoir and work your way into the closest.
what brand floor jack is that?
Joeys Cleaning Lady craftsman floor jack and stands
I think this is the newer model of it amzn.to/2XX9b6S
Quick question did you have to buy the calipers separate?? That link is just for the rotors and pads and I can't seem to find a place or anything that has the entire set. Thanks Daniel.
Daniel Kmetz they change the links and products often on Amazon, try this link and check to make sure they fit your model Jeep Wrangler: amzn.to/2wkWZma
Thank you very much!! I just placed the order, will install this week.
Daniel Kmetz awesome, I think you will like the upgrade. Just make to sure properly "bed in" the ceramic brake pads to the rotors. They provide specific instructions with the kit to do so.
Love your channel bro. Keep up the good work.
Rudi Con thanks, appreciate the feedback!
I think an upgrade on the brakes like this may give the Jeep wrangler models a higher tow rating. As it is, a 4 door jeep has a towing capacity of 3500 lbs. Ive been wanting to tow a Winnabego micro mini RV that is 3300 lbs. (Dry weight) With it loaded with food, clothing etc add another 200 or 300 lbs. Peaking it at 3600 lbs... You think a break upgrade such as the extreme Z36 will help out a lot? They say the only reason Jeep Wranglers, Sport, Saharah, Rubicon etc, have low tow ratings is because the factory brakes cant handle a heavy load. (and a bouncy rear coil)..But this looks like a soultion yeah?
Jimmy Maddox while you would get better braking capability out of the upgraded pads and rotors, there is more to the tow rating than just your brakes. I would not consider this a significant enough upgrade to account for the extra stopping power on more then the approved towing capacity of the wrangler. Other things to consider, driveshaft, differentials, transmission, hitch weight, etc...all should be factored in.
Thank you ... good information. I think now, I wont try to tow an RV...dont want to ruin the jeep, transmission etc...mind as well get a truck... But when boondocking I love to have the jeep... sux.
Nice metalcloak kit! (I have the same brake lines now too) :-D
Mark Renouf thanks for the feedback!
How do you like the power stop brakes?? any problems with getting dirt and mud in the holes and slots? has that been an issue? i just bought the kit and now not sure if that would be a problem??
Los Angeles Aerial Image no, not a problem at all. I used to think the same, about getting a pebble stuck in one of the drilled holes and destroying no the pad. However, I ran it thru the desert and rocky/muddy/sandy areas and never had a problem.
RockTrooper thanks. I’m going to install tomorrow. Hope they work well.
Awesome job ,great video !!
Thank you man you seriously helped me so much
Mike Jones thanks for the feedback, glad the video helped!
Such a great quality video! Good job!
so powder coating turns them into power stop stock calipers just painted red
The calipers are OEM, powder coated red. The upgrade is in the pads and rotors.
MAKE SURE you heat the pads properly after installation! Need to get your brakes super hot, then let them cool without ever coming to a full stop. Not doing this correctly can cause multiple problems.. These brakes provide similar stopping power to stock at low speed.. but during heavy, high speed braking, they are far superior to regular brakes 👍👍👍👍.. I love them..
Bill Herd absolutely! The “bedding in” of the brakes is important. And mentioned at the end of the video
Do you still have this kit? how well did the pads last?
I had sold this Jeep a while back, however never had any issues with this setup.
I am also deciding between the Z23 or the Z36's
Does the Z36's put off lots of brake dust?
more or less dust compared to the stock pads?
I have 2012 Ram Cummins 4x4 with 6inch lift running 37's and want to go with the Z36's.
I have Bendix extreme duty on the front, I cant stand the brake dust they put off!!
I can't even go 80-100 miles after washing my rims before you can see the dust all over the rims again.
Good video by the way!!! Very professionally done!!!
onebad cummins I cannot say if it expels a lot of brake dust. Typically anytime I take it off-road I end up cleaning it thoroughly afterward, so I really do nit notice. The upgraded pads/rotors did make a difference in braking, that's for sure.
I am looking at the z36 brakes for my Wrangler. Do you feel they gave you more stopping power? More responsive? Thanks for your help!
With the larger tires and slowing down at highway speeds, yes. Not during off-road or slow/rolling stops. Keep in mind the calipers are OEM, so no performance gain there, however the rotors and pads are an upgrade. Hope this helps!
@@RockTrooperJeep Thank you!! I just bought a Wrangler. It came with a dual steering stabilizer, I took it to a well known Jeep mod shop to look it over, they said I should remove them and go with just a bar. Do you feel the same?
The stabilizer/steering setup comes down to preference and use. If the steering is dialed in perfectly, than some people say it is not needed as it just masks failures in the steering. I’ve run both and have never had issues either way, however both should be maintained based on how you drive it.
So what's the "long term" review look like on these? You've got quite a bit of money into the suspension and I know that works flawlessly, but can the same be said for the brakes?
kswyg I had sold the rig not too long ago, so I can swear up to the time I had it. There were no problems at all. Pads wore evenly and there was no issue with either the replacement calipers or discs. I never had a problem with any rocks or debris getting into the drilled section. Over all no complaints at all.
Whats good RockTrooper. I was wondering if you still have them on your Jeep, How are they holding up, did the calipers/rotors rust? I've seen some bad rust reviews on the Powerstop.
Im thinking of buy the same set for my 300c. Thanks for the vid
nikkodogz I had since sold this Jeep, however did not have any issues with rust on the calipers over the couple of years I had after the install. I may have had rust on the rotors, but that came off quick after braking. The powder coating on the calipers was good, no issues
Great video, John. You Rock!
IM SORRY, I WILL GET THE Z 36 BREAKS DO YOU HAVE A METALCLOAK LIFT ON YOUR JEEP?
Oraven 1 yes, it is the GameChanger 3.5” lift
well explained, not over narrated, excellent video I got it done with ease, keep on coming with your videos...🛵⛽🚧⌚⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks for the video!
Christina Phongsavath thanks for the feedback, hope the video helped!
No link in video to do one man bleed
Hey RT! It's been a year since you made this video. I just added added a few things and noticed my brakes aren't as great any more. I like how these are OEM calipers... But I'm interested in knowing how the rotors and pads did? Any issues with the rotors cracking? How's the stopping during daily driving?
Tomasz Tyka I had sold RT recently however I had never had an issue with the brake pads or rotors. I did do frequent checks on components on the Jeep before trips, including the brakes and there was never an issue. In fact I know a lot of people that use these pads and rotors and have never heard a complaint. Hope this helps.
RockTrooper I appreciate you getting back to me so soon! Hopefully the rotors will fit my Procomp 97 17x9s. I'm sorry to her you sold your Jeep! What're you driving/working on now?
Tomasz Tyka oh yeah, definitely working on another rig. I have been working with TrailRecon on the build. Check out his channel and you can see the current project.
RockTrooper I'll check it out tonight. Good talking to you and thanks for the great videos!
bought Z36 for a durango SXT 2015 do you know if the calipers would be to small or a good fit. the rotors are 330mm.
Are the rotors any bigger? I still want to run my 15" wheels that I have on the stock brake setup
Hank Gilbertson No, they are the same size as OEM, just upgraded components with the rotor being slotted and drilled and a much better pad.
Hey +RockTrooper, I was curious if you would know if these rotors were direct replacements for the OEMs for my 2017 JKU Sport? I'm finding a lot of mixed information online.
Tomasz Tyka hmmm, that I do not know. I would say that the rotors should fit, however I am not sure about the calipers. I would suggest looking up the part number for the 17 and see if it has changed. You may also want to give Powerstop a call and see if they can tell you. I would think they would know quickly.
RockTrooper I appreciate your speedy response! I'm trying to get this done before winter comes.
That's a good looking kit!
Rocky X TV thanks, it is indeed!
where is the link to bleeding the brakes
Hey Nick, thanks for the reminder. I have been busy and have not been able to get it all edited and posted. I'll see if I can get it done soon and I'll post back here again when complete.
How long are these brakes supposed to last? Will the original calipers still fit over these?
Hey Mjones, the calipers are factory calipers, just powder coated red. So the brake setup will still fit OEM if you just use the pads. As for the longevity of the pads, that is a good question. I'm not sure how long they will last, but will be sure to put up how long they last me when I change mine out. The warranty for the brakes can be found here: www.powerstop.com/653/. Hope this helps!
I just did the same exact thing on my Jeep Grand Cherokee last weekend. :-)
Rocky Rizzo's Rocky Road awesome! How do they feel?
@@RockTrooperJeep Awesome! This was my first ever brake job and I'm 61! :-) I'm going to bleed them once more next weekend but they are working great. Very glad i did it.
@@rockyroadranch72 hey did u upgrade the master cylinder
@@victorcordero1458 No I didn't. :-| I am just learning and that wasn't part of the kit I bought. NONE of what I did NEEDED to be done. All the parts I took off were in great shape so I have backups. Therefore, I think the master cylinder is probably okay too.
Damn good brakes
How was the break in on these?
Feels like every time I order new parts and look up install videos you come up. I swear I am not copying you... LOL Great job keep up the great work. Love my Lux Lighting another purchase I made and found your helpful video for install. Also this is my daughters account my name is Mike.
Ashley Rooney ha! No worries at all, I'm glad my videos help! The break in period is easy, they provide instructions to "bed in" the rotors and I think I put a link to them online in the video description.
Great video! How are you liking the brakes?
Brandon Bell I sold the Jeep a bit back, but when I did have it the upgraded brakes worked great, much better than OEM. Worth the upgrade for sure.
RockTrooper wow, thank you so much for the response! I know it’s been awhile since you’ve posted this video, but I appreciate your help. Quick question for you, my Jeep is like a dark midnight blue... have you ever seen a Jeep with that color, have Red calipers? I’m trying to ask myself if it would actually look good. What do you think?
Brandon Bell beauty is in the eye of the beholder! One thing I’ve learned is that everyone will see something different in a Jeep upgrade. I think it would look good and once you get it on, I think you will too.
RockTrooper alright, thank you so much for sharing this video, and thank you again for your feedback as well! I hope you have an excellent rest of the week!
Great job on the video, nicely done.
Thanks Matt, I appreciate the feedback!
If you do any offroading whatsoever drilled and slotted rotors are not a good idea. Even rally cars don't use them. They will trap dirt and mud and create uneven wear of the pad and rotor. Trapped dirt in the drill holes can also lead to microfractures and eventually larger cracks in the rotor due to mechanical stress and heat cycling.
Braedon I would agree that there is a possibility of getting debris trapped in the drill or slot on the rotor, however I had never had a problem and a majority of my off-roading is in desert/ rocky areas.
It's r15 wheels?
MrAwesomeMoe if you are referring to the wheel size, they are 17”
How did they work out???
Adam Slosar great, it was an improvement breaking at highway speeds.
My brake pads came without break wear indicator
This break is good or teraflex big brakes
Francisco Tavarez the Powerstop brake kit are upgraded rotors and pads, using OEM calipers (just powdercoated red), so you are keeping the same OEM specs, just with some upgraded components. With the TF BBK, you get upgraded components in the rotor and caliper size, at a much higher price. I ran this Powerstop kit on 37” tires and they worked great, never had a problem
Made in China parts. They changed the formula on the brake pads. My experience the pads are not all that good. They are what we call peanut butter pads. The material on the pads pushes out toward the sides and it wears unevenly. I went through 4 sets of pads in a year.
That’s odd, I did not have any issues with the rotors or the pads over several years. Had you contacted PowerStop and told them of your issues? Perhaps you had a breaking system issue.
I just received these for my car, the compete set..but the front calipers didn't come with any copper washers, the back ones did, but not the front...did yours?
EDIT: Not this exact model number, but the set that's made for my specific car.
Yes, the copper washers came with all of the caliper replacements. You do not want to reuse your existing. I would suggest contacting PS and see if they can send you some or just go up to your local auto shop / parts store and they should have a set of copper washers you can buy.
RockTrooper I assuming they just plain forgot to add the washers to the front set of calipers...that's unlike PS. Disappointing all the same.
Thankyou for the reply.
btw, yours look absolutely fierce on your Jeep!
As a matter of fact this was the video that originally inspired me to drop 600 bucks on this set a few months back.
Just got em, and besides the missing washers they look amazing!, although the 2 back calipers are different from each other, not sure what that's about.
Glad it helped with your decision. In the 2 rear calipers, do they match your OEM model?
RockTrooper Ya they match, but their different from each other in several small ways. I called PS and they said that one of the calipers was old, and one was new, and that several small changes were made to the new...Really disappointed that they would do that to somebody, like dam if you only got one old one left, throw it, and send a pair of matching new ones..
Great Video....Very clean jeep....like the whole red theme there. I just bought these brakes for my wj and I have the same arb cover.
Muzammil Saleh thanks for the feedback, Great minds think alike!
I don't understand why you would replace perfectly good calipers with the same part. The only reason I would replace a caliper is with a 4 pot design or at least twin pot.
the Newer Jeeps went to 2 Piston front Calipers and bigger rear calipers
same as Dodge grand caravan and Journey
U didn't show if they stop. A posi semi ceramic install would have been just fine then.
edgarmonzon624 yes, I did miss doing a final stopping video when I completed the upgrade. I can assure you that the Jeep does stop when pushing on the brakes. 👍