Are you shocked the Lightning are letting Stamkos hit free agency?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- On the eve of Free Agent Frenzy, TSN Hockey analyst Mike Johnson joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss the Maple Leafs' defence after they re-signed Timothy Liljegren and acquired the rights to Chris Tanev, the direction Tampa is taking letting Steven Stamkos hit free agency, and what's next for some of the Canadian NHL franchises.
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Totally agree w/Johnson. Take on 6.7 of McDonagh who's regressing then trade sergachev in his prime. It's gonna age badly.
yep....reminds me of the Penguins and Caps
Did you even watch Sergy play last year before the injury? He was awful... There is no sugarcoating it.
Being a fan, and talking with other fans, living in the Tampa Bay area, yes....we are shocked and sad that Steven won't be here anymore.
It's straight up disrespectful TB offered 3 Million to their decade long captain, who's won 2 cups & is coming off a 40G/40A season.
it is absolutely a dirt bag move.
no way, it's just a business with constraints. I'm sure if Stamkos wanted a front office job they'd give it to him
He played one shift on one of those Cups. Chill out. And the Man is not worth 7/8 million dollars per for 5+ years at his age. Let's be for real here. Yall would be too soft in a management role.
That's a tidy season. Ugly moment for Tampa.
Not only that, they could of traded him for something. Even draft picks is better than nothing. 80 points is worth more than 3 mil even at his age.
Tampa: will you take 3mil x 8 years
Stamkos: NO!
Tampa: well we tried
...yes they did and Stammer said I want more $$$> and off he goes. I guess he blew through that $68 million. HE could have stayed. That darn ego of players nearing the end of their playing days.......
Are the Leafs trying to build Vancouvers defense? Tanev, Zadorov, OEL…
They wont do anything without the right coach behind the bench. Zadorov gonna miss the cup once again
Ain't no loyalty in sports however offering 3 million a year over 8 years is a dick move lol
So are you 'loyal' to your team?
Makes it even more amazing how Yzerman, Bourque, Sakic, Crosby, Lidstrom, Brodeur and some others stayed with the same franchise for twenty years :O
@@jockejocke1 That was prior to the cap era. Without a cap, Tampa would have given Stamkos what he wanted, easily.
@@williamarmour1656 I'm a habs fan but I thought they made some dirt bag moves in the last era. and there's more than one coach I've hated for the way they treated players. I will always be a Habs fan but you can hate things a GM does.
ok i get the anger from TB fans, how i took this offer from TB is that TB (maybe Stamkos?) has said i want to play for 3/4 more years, in order for TB to make it make sense on their salary cap they offered 24M for the duration of the contract (3Mx8), but TB's thinking is well this is really 6M/8M a year in the "real' years Stamkos plays, he then retires and still collects his money. 24M is 24M in TB's mind, but if Stamkos wants to play 6-8 more years for real, then its a lowball offer...jmo
He took TB to 4 SCF, and 2 cups raised. Disrespect is an understatement
A real team player at the end you get runned down by a Mac truck
HE didnt take anything, Kuch has been their best player for years, Hedman next, and Vasilevsky 3rd.
So it (was) between Stamkos and Point for who is the 4th best Lightning player.
4th best. Not "he took them".
@@TheScotian82 Point is much better and CLUTCH!!. Make Stammer 5th...
Holy crap, I clicked on this video to hear ant Stamkos and immediately their talking about the leafs
TSN did Stamkos dirty with that picture they have of him. Like where the heck is his eye at? 3:58 -
That Brian Burke/Kevin Lowe joke was great!😂
THOSE we're the days!
34 and going to turn 35 this season .... no brainer to get Guentzel :)
Guentzel is in no universe a Stamkos replacement.
Hes not bringing cups to TB, nor any appearances
Stamkos should sign cheap 1 year to win a cup and run that sh*t in their face. That's a dirty move by Tampa
Unfortunately you don't know which team is going to win the cup. LOL.
Exactly!!! @@sucraf1
Stammer won't find what he is seeking in Free Agency!
@@a.t.smaydau never know what a team with cap space will do
Everyone from TB that has left from the first cup til now always score goals against them when they play. Verhaeghe doing that the most. Will not be surprised if Stamkos lights them up every time they play.
It's obviously personal between Stammer & the G.M. #91 was told by Brisbois at the beginning of last season that they'll deal with his contract at the end of the season! What a slap in the face.
Also, McDonough was such a leader for the Bolts & it'll be great to have him back!
Honestly who didn't see this coming with Stamkos
Sergachev isn’t better defensively than mcdonaugh. Sergachev struggled when he was moved up to a top pairing. Mcdonaugh was a lockdown dmen for us and provided a great first pass to exit the defensive zone. Sergachev is younger but extremely overrated because of his protected minutes in Tampa. You don’t have to protect mcdonaughs minutes. You send him out there every situation
well said. somebody with brains that can see the truth for what it is. 💯
Good post. Johnson wasn't watching lately. Bad analysis for sure.
I don't know the details but from what i hear in the media, both sides have expressed interest in keeping and staying in Tampa but Stamkos agent went public stating Stamkos will test free agency and he is entitled to do that. Problem is Tampa has limited fund avaliable and if some team gives Stamkos a ridiculous amount of money, then he is gone.
Of course, but Tampa made the decisions that led to having limited funds available. He no doubt would take less than his previous contract, but 3 mil is a slap in the face for a 40/40 guy.
@@dutchcanuck3102 and Tampa didn't want to negotiate with him at all so I think management has treated him disgracefully.
@@virpip3461 TBL offered stamkos 8 years @ $3m, he turned it down. steven wants $4-$5m AAV, # of years is unknown. as a tampa fan i understand and support the rationale of why JBB made the moves he did.
The Leafs can't SCORE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! What are they doing about that!??
Oh relax Karen.
@@StarFinderWebb They ain't getting to round 2 and you know it StAR!🤣
Domi 3.75 mil there your playoff savior 😂😂
Not only can't they score in the playoffs, they cannot keep the puck out of thier net either.
They will do the rinse / repeat. I'm sure they will get it right this time...😅
No player is bigger than the team regardless, if he wanted to run it back he woulda found a deal that worked. Tampa don’t want to end up like Washington. It sucks to see but thats the business
hey Johnson, maybe if Leafs were ruthless like Tampa, they might win something
Good one....
If Tanev is the Leafs big FA dman to play with Reilly this team is in big trouble. The new Ron Hainesy.
As a Canucks fan, I'm very happy we didn't pick up genzel. We don't need one. Winger, we need two top six wingers.
They mentioned every Canadian team except Montreal..what a bunch 67 losers...probably still upset about the draft 😂
More important to
Keep kutcherov and point and their young stars
Nope. With the longstanding rumours of lowball offers it seemed clear they weren’t going to give him a core player contract.
It’s ruthless but it’s what they should be doing.
those high pay players approaching the end of a great career are asking too much money.Teams have a salary cap and that limits what teams can do.
Jay vs Burke in a barn somewhere… we know who wins that one. Sorry Jay! 😂
Campbell- "Sometimes things don't work out" puhhhhhhhlease. WHat has Campbell done, ever? He had one, ONE, stretch in Toronto prior to being hurt for about 3 months where there was 'Vezina' talk (like talk that Matthews is better than McDavid lol) so that doesn't surprise me. He always was a backup goalie AT BEST and I'd argue more of a tweener between the AHL and the NHL. I hated the deal when we signed him and I would be shocked if he was signed for more than league minimum and NOT a two way contract
oh yes Poor Steven Stamkos.
Guys made north of $100m.
He's been the 3rd or 4th best player on the team for years (Kuch, Vasi, Hedman, maybe Point)
Teams are allowed to not give tens of millions of dollars to guys who are done or close to it.
Excellent points. People are acting like he won the Cups by himself. Tampa built MONSTER teams and Stammer was part of those teams, not even playing in some.
Yeah it IS a two way street. Stamkos flashed his cooter to other teams the last time he was a free agent.
How soon Jay and Mike forget.
They should advertise on their socks.
TB was in cap hell. They could sign Stamkos, but would continue to be filling the roster up with 1 to 2 mil year players. Keep him and have a Hollywood send off and miss playoffs for 10 years and waste Kuch and points final half of their careers. I am mix. A lot are it was a no brainer to resign. My question would be 5 -6 years from now and no playoffs, was it worth it.
Athletes dont "deserve" tens of millions of dollars. Theyre incredibly fortunate that theyre treated so well.
Simple as that.
No, they are smart. Look at Tavares. They get old and slow but want the big bucks.
OEL is known for tanking after a big contract.
Not at all ! He cost way too much money!💰
Definitely not shocked. Hockey's cut throat lol.
Brutal. He’s 34. Not 39.
With his serious past injuries, his body is closer to 39. One more and it's career ending.
NO. This is exactly what many Leaf fans don't understand. Stamkos is a really good player, but that doesn't make him a necessity in TB. Marner is a good player, but he isn't required in T.O. The Leafs already have more than enough of that type of player. They need different pieces. Concerning the Leafs specifically, they not only need a different mix, they need cap space.
Also, as a footnote, Tampa got to a Cup final without Stamkos. Recall he barely played one of those years. He's a nice bonus, or insurance policy, but a requirement IN Tampa.
yes kadri went to Calgary for the money - Calgary was the only team that offered that money
He didn't produce in multiple seasons. NHL is a business, if you don't produce you should expect to not last.
Siento veo hoygo y pienso havecrs que hablan de José o de Joinnoblegold me gusta este nombre. pero cada día me desespero más de no saber nada de ustedes. Solo se que si se que lo que he hecho es experiencias que ustedes me dan y espero que lo aprendido de mi y falta pero el servicio para hacer el bien es herencia de mis padres. No soy perfect pero el amor se muestra yo te hago un bien eso es de DIOS Y TE HAGO UN MAL ES DE ESE que no me gusta mencionar.
Why is this such a surprise? These 2 are delusional. It's not personal, at the end of the day it's a business. You think Stamkos is sitting in his room crying? Lol he's at the bank counting his money. Gimme a break.
Exactly!
As a Tampa fan these moves were necessary other than McDonagh Im perfectly happy with the job brisebois has done to keep us competitive
Yup
There going to sign guetzel
I hope they fail to sign him.
@@virpip3461 Wrong....
Playing 1 minute in the playoffs in not winning you a cup.
Shouldn't these guys know what they are talking about?
They seem to do fine without him. People forget the MONSTER Clubs that Tampa had during those Cup wins. The salary cap disabled them.
it's funny seeing outsiders and casual tampa fans saying "KeEp StAmKoS No MaTtEr WhaT" lol. the romantic storybook ending would be great in if it entailed having stamkos stay with tampa, in a way that would allow him to continue his career at a fair labor cost, and in a way that allows TBL to ice a competitive team. even with his skill level at current age of 34, having scored 40 goals, steven is NOT going to be worth $8m in a few years when he declines. factor in his powerplay points from last season and his goal scoring has dropped significantly 5 on 5 the last 3 seasons. 19 of his 40G came from the pp this past season, where he benefits a lot from kucherov and hedman.
TBL needs to improve with even strength play and stamkos is on the decline at this point of his career in that regard. you can't rely on power plays to go far in the p-off's, as there are less PP's that become available. while steven won't be easy to replace, TBL needs to get younger and more versatile players to fill his void. tampa was also dogshit on defence.
hence JBB in going to extend hedman july 1st, is the correct business decision. as is bringing in guentzel, the biggest fish in the 2024 free market ocean, who is 5 years younger than stamkos.
tampa is very comfortable in how they handle their business, and they don't want to repeat the situations that mid-2010's DET went thru, and PIT of today is going thru.
Id probably delete this post, you sound so stupid. Nobody ever considered Stamkos at 8M. Hes worth more then 3.5 but idk where youre getting this 8M nonsense. Tell me you just started watching hockey?
Exactly. Why throw the bag at him and cripple your teams cap situation. They made their offer and he’s choosing to test the market. All of this drama and speculation is just that… he will probably end up settling and staying in Tampa unless another team offers him a big contract… and he has every right to go that route too.
Look at Ovi. Who the hell wants to be in that situation. Im sure Washington fans are over it by now.
@@JSawmill63 they could have at least respected him enough to negotiate last year. They are simply doing him dirty and I hope it blows up their face as players in free market see how they treat their captain and chooses some other team to play instead.
@@JSawmill63 WSH is going to be a swirling vortex of darkness once the ovechkin pursuit of all-time goals is finished.
the talk going around is NSH and DET are the heavy hitters in the stamkos sweepstakes. what i appreciate about JBB is that he can actually admit mistakes, and take corrective actions. and he's not afraid to take risks when it's needed.
i am very pleased with the moves brisebois has made the last few days. and there's more to come. 😁
@@virpip3461 their hands were tied because of the cap man. 3 cup runs in a row. Hard to talk money when there is none.
hope he takes small salary and goes to Panthers and sticks it to TB next season :D
that would be great !
He should sign with the panthers
How cool would that have been?
sens should try to trade Norris for Kadri
Tampa knows what they have to do to compete.
I think the offer was bad but honestly Stamkos has never been the most impactful player during the playoffs (well maybe except this year) so I understand them not wanting to give him big dollars from an on-ice perspective. Off ice, it’s probably different though. Can’t see his teammates liking this move at all.
nothing personal, it's just business. i'm fine with the move to not bring him back. there may be a small glimmer of hope at 12 noon, but its highly unlikely he is coming back.
@@carparthero yeah I get it. I’m an avs fan so I’m sort of looking at this from the outside but honestly think, it’s the right ‘hockey move’ to make
@@microdocomo COL has their own cap issues to deal with. i do expect them to continue to ice competitive teams for the foreseeable future. nichushkin did fuck you guys over 2 years in a row. it's unfortunate but i don't see how COL can trust him again, once val is eligible to return to the team. i did like the mittlestedt signing. he did good for you guys in the p-off's and securing him, addresses your 2nd-line center position for the next several years.
one guy i am rooting for is ross colton. it hurt to see him go but i am confident he will do well with and for the avalanche.
cheers from southern ontario, canada 🍁
We DONT want him in Toronto.... 😂
Bologna
Toronto will be offering Tavares the same type of contract. Tavares is going to cry and leave. Just like Stamkos.
Wow, Johnson is clueless thinking there is no difference between Sergachev and McDonagh. Does he even watch Tampa? Sergy was a mess last year before the injury and not even a $2 million year D man.
Seems all Tampa greats end their careers else where. St. Louis, Lecavalier, Richards, Boyle, and now Stamkos.
and Khabibulin
You act like this the only organization to do this 😂! There is no loyalty in professional sports! Wayne Gretzky can get traded !
Hos does Boyle fit in with this group??
In the business that is the NHL, how could this be shocking? Surprising maybe. Disappointing, for sure. Shocking, not. Would it be nice to see SS spend his career with one team? Definitely. But this is what the NHL has become, and that’s fine. What are ya gonna do?
Carolina should do whatever it takes to sign Stamkos.
It will be interesting. I keep hearing rumors that he might end up in Detroit. We just resigned Kane for 1yr. Kane said he wanted a multi year deal.
Looooot of speculation very little facts in this clip
So much for commentary on Montreal, typical Toronto.
Van should go after jeff skinner
If stamkos signed 6M per at 4 years then everyone would be fine. Why is the 3M for 8 years insulting? If anything theyll just LTIR him once hes done playing and will get paid in retirement
Because the 8 years would not have been guaranteed with them assuming he would retire before the 8 years.
@markgilles5928 but I think rather than him retiring they would have just stashed him on LTIR with an "injury" of some sort right?
The St. Louis Blues did the same thing with there captain Alex Pietrangelo and he was the 1st ever Blues player to llft the stanley cup. They just let him walk away for nothing & then turned around and signed Torey Krug.
You're so scarred by it you capitalize every word now. What a horrendous affliction.
Stamkos wants to be a Leaf
Had his chance. Chose to go back to Tampa. Toronto signed Tavares the next year.
No
As a bolts fan it hurts. JBB definitely disrespected Stammer - didn’t even have any contract talks until end of this season (could have at least contacted his agent last offseason to be more transparent). Basically gave him the same offer as Palat and Killorn got - I understand cap & term limitations but this Stamkos has a different meaning to the city and franchise.
I’ve read some people point out this move is better business so we don’t end up like the Pens with aging superstars sucking cap, but all these other moves we’ve made (McDonagh, likely gonna extend Hedman) seem to counteract that. Either way it just sucks and I don’t blame Stamkos
Classless act by Tampa but smart his best years are behind him There zero loyalty in sports he will get 6 or 7 million from another team for 3 years or 4 contract
We won't miss him.
Had to ruin it with leafs news
The Lighting also let their last captain Vincent Lecavalier leave to Free Agency, while both had careers that should see their jersey's retired! NO CLASS
Does Guentzel make you any better? i'm not sure and your Serg replacement dosn't move the needle for me either.
Not only that, Stamkos is probably great friends with most of the other players on TB. So dump him for a new guy who might or might not be better? I'm sure his team mates are happy about that.
@@sucraf1I believe those Team Mates understand the Business side of Hockey more than we would like to admit!
Not shocking, but dumb. Why would you let players go for nothing. Stamkos is still a quality player and teams will still want him. So if you are not going to resign him, then trade him for something at least. If I was a TB fan, I would be pissed that you won't resign him plus you don't get anything for him.
Thing is those Tampa Fans that know better aren't bitter!
He's probably got a NTC
about stamkos not being re-signed, i understand the rationale behind it. even with his skill level at his current age of 34, having scored 40 goals, steven is NOT going to be worth $8m in a few years when he declines. factor in his powerplay points from last season and his goal scoring has dropped significantly 5 on 5 the last 3 seasons. 19 of his 40G came from the pp this past season, where he benefits a lot from kucherov and hedman.
TBL needs to improve with even strength play and stamkos is on the decline at this point of his career in that regard. you can't rely on power plays to go far in the p-off's.
as a tampa guy i am very happy with JBB's overall body of work since he became GM in 2018. he was also the AGM since 2010, working alongside GM yzerman. stevie built the 2019 team that got swept by columbus, because he wouldn't take risks and had a hard-on for small forwards that had no grit. JBB after the 2019 fiasco, took risks and added the correct pieces (goodrow, coleman, david savard,) that helped TBL win back-to-back cups, and go to 3 str8 finals.
any steve yzerman fans need to be reminded that steve as the GM didn’t win a cup with tampa. JBB did, twice. steve built a team for regular season success, JBB created a playoff team. steve hasn’t been able to deliver on either (as of yet, after year 5) in DET. this is just the facts.
my only bellyache with JBB was the tanner jeannot trade. at the time it was made, the shock of giving up nearly a whole draft class was mind-numbing. to his credit, JBB is not afraid to admit mistakes and take corrective actions. he also traded sergachev which i have no problem with either, as he wasn't performing to his $8m/AAV contract.
@@carparthero i'm still baffled why he gave up so much for the the tanner jeannot trade with nashville .....any info on why ?
@BRIANDER100 Jeannot was under contract and cheap. He took a gamble and lost. At least he got a 2nd and 4th round pick back. Now he just threw away a 1st, 3rd, and 5th round pick, lol.
It happens, though. You make trades with picks and prospects for players, and then they leave after losing in the playoffs
Stammer sign with Toronto. You can win there
during the regular season only . lol
Toronto win, Toronto has a very good history of not winning, Toronto is the team you go to, to get paid and not win.
why would tampa offer 3 million a year over 8 years ?
Because salary cap.
@@vipeholmskolan6052 yes, but their offer wasn't even close
Agree!!! What in the hell is this GM doing??? He has completely dismantled a Stanley Cup championship team the past couple years. Poor Cooper as he must be so upset. Stamkos is the Captain and has given his heart and soul to Tampa and they don't pay him?? They pay a guy from Carolina but not their own captain that produced greatly. This makes no sense to get rid of Stamkos and Sergachev. They could have kept both and got rid of players not producing. 100% blame on this GM for this. Yzerman built the Stanley Cup championship teams and this guy has destroyed the could have been dynasty!!
uhhh, salary cap?????
Soft non physical defenceman like Liligram are totally useless in the very physical playoffs.
Stammer to Detroit I believe
It’s an outrage 😎
NO TBL has not wanted him for a long time now
Stamkos was asking for too much money.
Surprised?No. Utterly disappointed? F*** yes
unreal they are doing this to a 34 year old stamkos. he's a far better player than Guentzel and will be for at least another 2-3 years.
Have you been watching his 5 on 5 play?? What was the +/- swing with this exchange?? Something like +45 between Stammer and Jake. It wasn't all about the Tampa leaky D either Tampa's overall team D just got a whole lot better.
No, he will join your ottawa sens
Stamkos is washed up player wanting top dollars, get real.
This is such suckers bait that it’s tailor made for the Leafs 😅😅😅
This kind of thing is right up their alley !
Marner for Stamkos ?
😅😅😅😅😅
Boston should sign Stamkos right now
offering 3m to your captain after the season he had is such a dirt bag move... that's going to be remembered for years to come.. hope TB's room Falls apart and they all jump ship.
Short memory. I recall someone named Vinny in the same C leadership role and Tampa has done just fine.
Time for stamkos to buffalo sabers at 5x 8.5 million
Let the ship sail stam
JB needs to be fired. This is a horrible look for Tampa... This guy has lost his mind! Pathetic to let Stamkos walk.
...and you felt the same with Vinny, Marty and Brad???? Emotions won't bring you Cups.
Edmonton did campbell dirty. skinner and campbell had exactly the same stats when coach was fired. campbell was sent down because they hoped to get his picked off of waivers. the oilers then improved their Defence play with new coach but campbell was never given a chance with the new coached team. I bet oilers would have won the cup with campbell in net. whats done is done.... 100% IF campbell gets another chance in the nhl, he will be a top 10 goalie! ITS THE OILERS WAY.
I disagree. He was crumbling in the AHL
Somebody smokin something lol
Not to mention, he actively participated in the cheating that resulted in at least 1 of those cups.
Or are we just supposed to forget that little nugget of corruption amongst all the others in politics, entertainment, and sports
Trade marner for Stamkos
🙄🙄🙄
Stamkos is a UFA...Maybe learn hockey, guy
Tampa is smart,, Stamkos is what?
Defensive blunder, slow, below average passing.
Good one timer.... Done.
As a Tampa Fan Stamkos should have been traded three years ago. His name is on the cup there is no drive for another Cup. This was said by fans and seen by management. This year was fluff for a better pay day.
are you kidding? this guy kills to win and was their best player in the playoffs
COME HOME🙏🙏
Tanev is 35 yrs old👴🏼👴🏼👴🏼
Nope. With the longstanding rumours of lowball offers it seemed clear they weren’t going to give him a core player contract.
It’s ruthless but it’s what they should be doing.