just sold my Peugeot 307 cc cabriolet/ convertible with 165,000. km (not miles) for 200,000 won. It is about 150 euros. It is going to the junk yard ! The car was running fine, but kept showing warnings lights. He told me if it was a Korean car he would pay me double.
3:00 They are telling us the WLTP range. It is not something what they can "tell 50 miles less about". Those are strict tests and I believe they are obliged to tell what the tests show. So, WLTP over-estimates that range. That is true usually, but that is the fault of the test system. Also: in Spain you will probably get better ranges, because there is less rain and higher temperatures than in UK.
I believe so it'll be great selling product as it looks fantastic as all new Peugeots and why not pay 45£k for Peugeot and pay for German? I own 308 GTi BPS for 7 years now and never had single issue with the car! Peugeot really stepped up in the game with their new cars. This e3008 is fantastic looking inside and outside. Well done 👍🦁⚡
Excellent review! I wish Stellantis brings it to the USA (compatible with Tesla's Superchargers) where I think it would sell well. I don't care which brand it uses here (Peugeot left years ago with a bad rap for reliability) but I think maybe Chrysler?
In general are cars with these new fabric armrests and dash trim etc wearing the test of time? I would have thought the marked quickly and difficult to clean? PS what ever happened to the lupo?
PSA are on life support here in Australia, totally decimated when they burnt their traditional customers who want and buy diesel powered, that they are imported by subaru importer in another nail in the coffin, vale PSA
Great review Tish as always but as the thing that worries me with french manufacturers is the reliability and they were always renowned for electrical issues and now with all electric car,hmmm im not so sure id be will to put trust in them over another manufacturer
Tish, the issue isn’t that manufacturers are marketing dishonestly, but rather that the WLTP process is ludicrous. No manufacturer ever gets anything close to what’d claimed through the WLTP circuit.
Yes apologies I am aware that it works that way but if that was the case, you’d think all brands would be consistently poor/good but some are much further off the claimed figures than others. If you get what I mean?
@@AutoSocialUK I know that some brands adjust their numbers (Tesla) and I know that the measuring process is off by different margins because it fails to account for technological differences in vehicles. It’s PURELY a laboratory calculation. In the US, the EPA uses an actual stretch of a road to calculate economy. It fails sometimes as well because not every stretch is the same, of course, but it’s generally more accurate because it’s a real driving test instead of a purely theoretical one. While the WLTP is more reliable than the NEDC test it replaced, it’s still awfully ambitious in EV ranges. For example, Gen 2 Nissan Leaf with the 40 kWh battery can go 151 miles on the EPA cycle, but 170 miles on the WLTP. The real range seems to be around 100-110 miles.
This looks to be a very good car. Too pricy though. Also it is too big and heavy and likely it will have some issues in some regions of France where they decided to charge extra on heavy cars.
I applaud you for questioning the ACTUAL efficiency and range figures. To be honest I do not learn much from these manufacturer paid for jollies, for motoring journalists/UA-camrs to just spew brochure spec. You are an excellent presenter who knows her stuff and I like you questioning the viewer over style and practicality points. But WLTP vs real world range is the biggie and affects the uptake of EVs with too many disappointed owners. A motorway range test in all types of weather especially cold weather should be a must when you get it back in the UK. Disappointing that so many manufacturers are going down the "massive heavy" battery route and not drivetrain efficiencies, lighter bodywork and smaller, narrower tyres (BMW i3 is just a distant memory at this point😆)
The problem with this car is the platform is a compromise for electric and ICE which probably adds to the weight and reduces efficiency. For the price I’d rather have a Tesla model Y. They weigh slightly under 2 tonne. They are also very efficient but against that, the interior in this does look quite plush and the seats very comfortable
Manufacturers test to the WLTP standards. It’s not them that ‘lie’, it’s the tests themselves that are flawed. This applies across all cars. We need to get the test itself changed to be more realistic. In the meantime use the EV database site, it’s very accurate.
Much too heavy and way too expensive! I don't get why the hell carmakers insist on creating big, heavy closets on wheels, jampacked with useless power hungry gimmicks and enormous wheels. Soon they will be as big as horse carriages. Ridiculous. An EV should in first instance be as light as possible, as aerodynamic as possible and with equipment that is designed to consume as little as possible (or not at all if possible) . They al claim to have class leading aerodynamics but that's a big lie as they only talk about CX drag values, not the SCX frontal values. And it's the frontal value that pushes the most air in front of the car while the CX is only responsible about the drag or dissipating in the most favorable way the air without creating vortexes with negative impact (slowing down the car by pulling it backwards due to under pressure). So please stop telling that such cars are aerodynamic as they all are a pile of bricks on wheels. This car will never, and I mean never, reach the claimed range, not even when knowing that they all lie about their ranges (big time). None of them will ever dare to mention the real life range while they all damn well know this. They are just afraid of losing customers who really believe the claimed ranges are true (and there are a lot of these).
Have you tested the uk version yet? Most reviews in the uk that have videos reviews say the suspension is improved.but most written reviews ones are from the french test drive months ago with uk number plate pictures.lazy reporting from a lot of well known car channels/reviewers. Not including you obviously. Would ge interesting to see if you have noticed a difference?
If they just got the stop start to work I would be happy had 3 now and none of them worked in fact multi items stop working so I won't be buying another peugeot
If only they had flush door handles would finish the design off nicely. Old style handles look so dated And had a normal steering wheel. For my 6ft 3 i dan not see the speedo screen in full due to having to see it over the wheel
Great 😊 tech on the interior, but Peugeot could have done better. They design better with past models and the price is much to high. Can't help but wonder if inflation plays a role in the price. HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY TO ALL.☘️☘️.
Not sure. For example Renault is able to build an electric car in 10 hours now because their factory is fully robotized. They can have the same price than eastern europe or China or Tesla now. PSA builds its own gigafactory for batteries to lower costs or uses more and more robots.
The Europe is able to compete with China with fully robotized factories. China is forced to increase its wages for chinese workers. China is even competed with others asiatic countries.
Cannot stand the UK/EU’s range testing cycle ITS WAY OFF. Always use the US’s, its the most accurate but still off. this heaps “400mile” variant would be lucky to get 300miles
Much less in the cold, in the rain, uphill, or against windy conditions, all things EV's struggle with. There may be a "safe" 200 mile range, in the UK you'd have to plan carefully to avoid having to charge for hours, or wait for hours then charge for hours. Then after 3 years, if you're mad enough to have bought it, you'll be lucky to see 30% of your cash back, and by then the battery will holid a solid 10% less charge than new....
Nope, all verifiably true. That you don't want to believe it probably means you've bought an EV and can't bring yourself to admit the mistake. @@timrothwell33
Can't accept the steering wheel, dash that compromises visibility, fabric looks and is cheap better be plastic or leather, also absolutely dislike the price of the car.
what none of channels dont say is that all EVs in 7-10 years will be basically worthless crap or such a big financial burden that again will be for scrapyard only so dont think you will drive EV for 15-20+ years as ice with minimal invest and still could sold it for fair price
Because even if we believed that to be true, which I do not. It can certainly not be proven and therefor I would not be speaking about it. I’m also unclear as to why electric cars will be worthless in 7-10 years. People talk about EVs like they’re new and yet there are people driving around in 10 year old + 200,000 mile electric cars with no issues.
Is it me or does it look like someone has taken a Citroen e-C4 and blown it up with a pump? Nice looking car but the new Renault Scenic is more practical and is way cheaper.
Yep… divisive rear end; for me, ugly and boxy. Interior ok… but surely I’m not the only one missing a bit more of an integrated cluster? and to step back from the bolt-on screen look. Oh and physical climate control.
Cmon. Stop messing you know as well as us. That’s a general estimate based on best favourable conditions the last report I read in EV is that they struggle to get to 65-70% of that estimate. It’s still not good enough. And people are starting to NOT buy EV. Apart from their repair costs, insurance and , lunatic propaganda that they are better. Err, emissions from brakes, regen and tyres are far worse than an equivalent ICE diesel. Pass.
Range figures are WLTP. The WLTP driving cycle is divided into four parts with different average speeds: low, medium, high and extra high. Each part contains a variety of driving phases, stops, acceleration and braking phases. All vehicle makers uses the same test, it’s a standard. It’s actually not an estimation. The numbers given are for what the car can do in the WLTP test conditions. I would say that the range is more than enough. You don’t drive from full to empty battery in one go, you must likely need to take a break sometime during the drive. And then you can charge the car. Electric cars are nicer to drive than diesels, they are faster, has better climate systems, they are less noisy, and they have zero exhaust.
1. Can you name one ICE model that consistently hits its WLTP economy/emission figures? Doesn’t make it right, I agree the system again needs changing but it’s definitely not a reason to go ICE. 2. How do people start to NOT buy EV? Also, the sales growth has slowed down admittedly but that’s most likely been down to a successful misinformation campaign you’ve fallen for hook, line and sinker. 3. All modern cars cost an arm and a leg to repair. A new engine or gearbox isn’t cheap either. Brexit hasn’t helped parts supply, further upping repair costs. I note you haven’t found that in your research. Perhaps the sources of your information aren’t particularly reliable. 4. Insurance. I admit it’s subjective but I’ve just bought an EV worth twice as much as the 5 year old hot hatch I just got rid of. EV has more power and faster 0-62 yet insurance didn’t cost a single penny more. I’d worried about the insurance increase as I’d probably heard the same rubbish as you, but I can tell you from personal experience, it isn’t strictly true. 5. A little embarrassing for you this one, sorry. I’ll be kind. Regen braking, especially one pedal driving like you get on most electric cars mean you don’t have to touch the friction brakes at all for potentially hundreds or thousands of miles. Regen doesn’t emit anything, it’s literally using the motor in reverse to charge the battery. Tyres - smoother power delivery mean they can last longer on EVs. Tusker, a leading leasing firm have stated that there is so far no evidence that EVs eat through tyres faster than their ICE counterparts. Literally nothing you’ve said holds water. PLEASE do your own research and ignore what you’ve read in the tabloid press. They only print what they think you want to hear. I own both ICE and EV so have no bias. Only for the truth and facts.
@@S4MM7ify could not have said that any better, spot on with everything you said. It’s depressing seeing comments like this all the time from ppl who are believing the lies.
Battery cars degrade every day , can’t stop it , the end , every day they are degrading until one day they will be totally useless , nothing looks worse than a four year old Tesla , they look like second hand fridges , anyhoo just had the Addams family on in the background while reading and heard Gomez calling his wife Tish , is that where you got your name ?
You could say that about every car on the roads though? Batteries have shown no sign of excess wear that we should be worried about and the TELSA was never an inspiring design to start with 😂 hahaha I believe her name is Latisha, mine is Natisha. But maybe that is where there got some inspiration.
I love really stupid comments like this. I gather he just wants a reply. So I will oblige. Peugeots have always had good road handling - how good varies with the particular model. Of all the negatives I have read about Peugeots , this is the first time I have heard the mention about poor road handling (50 years of rally wins = poor handling - I don't think so.). Flimsy cars - not sure exactly what is meant by that however our family has driven at least 10 million kms in Peugeots. Never noticed any flimsiness. In fact most modes are extremely robust. If they weren't they would never have had rally success. If you want more specific information just reply and I'll provide it. But please - try to make sensible comments.
Is Stellantis a power house? Or is it a collection of B-team brands pushed together in a desperate attempt to get economy of scale? Have they produced anything genuinely interesting over the last few years? "They have been at the forefront of the electric revolution..." ROFL.... no, they're late to the party with cars with inadequate design, range and longetivity. Their electric offerings are hugely compromised so far.... I'm beginning to think the presenter is talking our of her derriere, so that these unknowns can get more press cars, better invites, etc etc.
I have a Stellantis EV, as a company car. No way would I buy one with my own money, as they are massively overpriced at list price. There are huge discounts available on most, up to 20%, but even then too high. The car I have is a really nice car, but it would have to be 50% of the list price to interest me as a private buyer.
Way more interesting than most EVs out there, peugeot styling is back in the room, has since 2017 imo 👌
In my opinion it's as good as Audi or BMW, even more stylish, and it costs less money. Well done Peugeot ! Looks really really smart !
I love the fact that the infotainment screen doesn't look like a giant iPad stuck to the dashboard.
like Tesla lol
@@xantherick Exactly 😂
This! A lot of EV’s has that ‘tablet-glued-to-the-dashboard’ look.
Great review as always, I think Peugeot have really upped their game in the last 5 years and are producing some stunning cars.
Couldn't agree more!
I'm going to call 290 miles real world.
I'm glad Stellantis has finally put a proper size battery into their cars.
Peugeot make some great looking cars these days. Looks amazing! 👌👌👌
How fantastic that you're not shying away from calling out the bs on the range. Nice review.
Amazing car! Bravo Peugeot for designing such an alluring car, truly next level!
I enjoyed watching the Video. Your Outfit matched the Peugeot Paint Colour as well ❤❤❤
Impressive lion. Fine review. Interesting conclusion ( 11:11) ;).
Thank you for watching. Have a wonderful Sunday.
Look monstrous
I love it
Peugeot killing it as always
With Stellantis , Peugeot is able to lower the cost because they use the same platform for a lot of brands.
It is a nice looking vehicle. Of course the drive away pricing is the deciding factor for many buyers.
Non of the trims come with a standard panoramic roof. You have to buy it in a pack along with the focal audio system that costs £1600.
Just on tyres I have a 2022 model and got the 18" wheels as opposed to the 19" low profile tyres. I made the correct decision.
just sold my Peugeot 307 cc cabriolet/ convertible with 165,000. km (not miles) for 200,000 won. It is about 150 euros. It is going to the junk yard ! The car was running fine, but kept showing warnings lights. He told me if it was a Korean car he would pay me double.
If that car does more than 200 miles, I'll be amazed.
I’m pretty sure it will easily. Question is, can it comfortably go past the 300 mile mark?
It’s around the 3.5 miles per kWh so 98kwh battery should get a range of 340
@@barryrathbone It certainly won't be that in winter.
they guess you will push with hands rest of miles
@@Mr11ESSE111 😄
Nice and cool car.
My bmw ix3 sits around 2.7-2.9 kw per mile, I don't get anywhere near the 280 miles stated range..and I drive very conservatively.
That's because you bought a BMW lol .
@@sharonec5419 I bought it for the badge because I'm very shallow
@@willielarsson9651 lol
Looks great and definitely get it over an id4.
Great review, well done 😊 Just about to test drive one! 😊
3:00 They are telling us the WLTP range. It is not something what they can "tell 50 miles less about". Those are strict tests and I believe they are obliged to tell what the tests show. So, WLTP over-estimates that range. That is true usually, but that is the fault of the test system. Also: in Spain you will probably get better ranges, because there is less rain and higher temperatures than in UK.
I don't know. I would have to sit in one to see if it good enough Tish. What are tge plastics like on the door's and the dash? Are they soft?
Wy have they took the electric seats of especially on the GT model.
It’s now AUD$39990.00 driveaway in Australia
I believe so it'll be great selling product as it looks fantastic as all new Peugeots and why not pay 45£k for Peugeot and pay for German? I own 308 GTi BPS for 7 years now and never had single issue with the car! Peugeot really stepped up in the game with their new cars. This e3008 is fantastic looking inside and outside. Well done 👍🦁⚡
Excellent review! I wish Stellantis brings it to the USA (compatible with Tesla's Superchargers) where I think it would sell well. I don't care which brand it uses here (Peugeot left years ago with a bad rap for reliability) but I think maybe Chrysler?
Chrysler, RAM, Dogde, and the italians (Alfa Romeo, FIAT and Masseratti).
Let's see if the american brands adapt this new platform well enough.
In general are cars with these new fabric armrests and dash trim etc wearing the test of time? I would have thought the marked quickly and difficult to clean? PS what ever happened to the lupo?
Mine is sitting on the drive as we speak enough said very very cheap to run ! 👍🏻🇬🇧
PSA are on life support here in Australia, totally decimated when they burnt their traditional customers who want and buy diesel powered, that they are imported by subaru importer in another nail in the coffin, vale PSA
Happy St Patrick 's day 💗 💕 💖 to all Irish gingers!😉
Great review Tish as always but as the thing that worries me with french manufacturers is the reliability and they were always renowned for electrical issues and now with all electric car,hmmm im not so sure id be will to put trust in them over another manufacturer
I've driven a Renault EV for 4 years with no electrical issues... which surprised me tbf.
Land-Rover seems to be the leader in shitty electrics these days.
Great information
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
5:16 USB and C ports?
The voice sync is off. Ever so slightly, but it still looks... strange.. sorry. 2:24
1.2 for £35k what planet are these guys on.
Tish, the issue isn’t that manufacturers are marketing dishonestly, but rather that the WLTP process is ludicrous. No manufacturer ever gets anything close to what’d claimed through the WLTP circuit.
Yes apologies I am aware that it works that way but if that was the case, you’d think all brands would be consistently poor/good but some are much further off the claimed figures than others. If you get what I mean?
@@AutoSocialUK I know that some brands adjust their numbers (Tesla) and I know that the measuring process is off by different margins because it fails to account for technological differences in vehicles. It’s PURELY a laboratory calculation.
In the US, the EPA uses an actual stretch of a road to calculate economy. It fails sometimes as well because not every stretch is the same, of course, but it’s generally more accurate because it’s a real driving test instead of a purely theoretical one.
While the WLTP is more reliable than the NEDC test it replaced, it’s still awfully ambitious in EV ranges.
For example, Gen 2 Nissan Leaf with the 40 kWh battery can go 151 miles on the EPA cycle, but 170 miles on the WLTP. The real range seems to be around 100-110 miles.
Would wait for the Citroen version. Citroen should be the flagship brand
I would like to see it do that mileage looks a nice car but still costly 😮
This looks to be a very good car. Too pricy though. Also it is too big and heavy and likely it will have some issues in some regions of France where they decided to charge extra on heavy cars.
those wheels are… aesthetically challenging
I applaud you for questioning the ACTUAL efficiency and range figures. To be honest I do not learn much from these manufacturer paid for jollies, for motoring journalists/UA-camrs to just spew brochure spec. You are an excellent presenter who knows her stuff and I like you questioning the viewer over style and practicality points. But WLTP vs real world range is the biggie and affects the uptake of EVs with too many disappointed owners. A motorway range test in all types of weather especially cold weather should be a must when you get it back in the UK. Disappointing that so many manufacturers are going down the "massive heavy" battery route and not drivetrain efficiencies, lighter bodywork and smaller, narrower tyres (BMW i3 is just a distant memory at this point😆)
The problem with this car is the platform is a compromise for electric and ICE which probably adds to the weight and reduces efficiency. For the price I’d rather have a Tesla model Y. They weigh slightly under 2 tonne. They are also very efficient but against that, the interior in this does look quite plush and the seats very comfortable
If it has catl batteries then it will be good on price
manufacturers lies with range alot or they say later it is if you drive 60-80kmh or slow drive
I don’t think they necessarily lie but the testing is not accurate in real life
Manufacturers test to the WLTP standards. It’s not them that ‘lie’, it’s the tests themselves that are flawed. This applies across all cars. We need to get the test itself changed to be more realistic. In the meantime use the EV database site, it’s very accurate.
Good looking car from Peugeot, interior looks amazing, unfortunately the wheels let the look of the car down massively
Much too heavy and way too expensive! I don't get why the hell carmakers insist on creating big, heavy closets on wheels, jampacked with useless power hungry gimmicks and enormous wheels. Soon they will be as big as horse carriages. Ridiculous. An EV should in first instance be as light as possible, as aerodynamic as possible and with equipment that is designed to consume as little as possible (or not at all if possible) . They al claim to have class leading aerodynamics but that's a big lie as they only talk about CX drag values, not the SCX frontal values. And it's the frontal value that pushes the most air in front of the car while the CX is only responsible about the drag or dissipating in the most favorable way the air without creating vortexes with negative impact (slowing down the car by pulling it backwards due to under pressure). So please stop telling that such cars are aerodynamic as they all are a pile of bricks on wheels. This car will never, and I mean never, reach the claimed range, not even when knowing that they all lie about their ranges (big time). None of them will ever dare to mention the real life range while they all damn well know this. They are just afraid of losing customers who really believe the claimed ranges are true (and there are a lot of these).
Those brands…not them brands.
Amazing car design but the price even for the petrol hybrid is inexcusable
Is this Ingaru Blue?
Yes it is!
What do you think of the colour? Considering ordering in this colour but we can't see it yet here in real life...@@AutoSocialUK
When will you test a DACIA in factory LPG form? Thanks
If they’re carrying the LPG across to the latest Duster, then I will likely test that in the next few months.
She's cute. Not with the charisma of the models designed by Gilles Vidal ... but pretty enough. 👍
The new badge, though ... is ridiculous. 👎
This or Tucson 2024 facelift?
Have you tested the uk version yet? Most reviews in the uk that have videos reviews say the suspension is improved.but most written reviews ones are from the french test drive months ago with uk number plate pictures.lazy reporting from a lot of well known car channels/reviewers. Not including you obviously. Would ge interesting to see if you have noticed a difference?
I feel the Renault Scenic E-Tech beats the Peugeot e-3008
If they just got the stop start to work I would be happy had 3 now and none of them worked in fact multi items stop working so I won't be buying another peugeot
To be fair the EV9 is shaped like a brick, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Peugeot had better range due to the better aero. We shall see though!
If only they had flush door handles would finish the design off nicely. Old style handles look so dated
And had a normal steering wheel. For my 6ft 3 i dan not see the speedo screen in full due to having to see it over the wheel
Please do some review in flip flops please next video
300 miles is good enough if it can be reached people at least need to stop for some sort of rest after that
I watched the first few minutes but had to shut it off, I was getting a headache even at low volume
Thank you 👍🏼
Great 😊 tech on the interior, but Peugeot could have done better. They design better with past models and the price is much to high. Can't help but wonder if inflation plays a role in the price. HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY TO ALL.☘️☘️.
Do you know a competitor that offers this level of refinement, tech and range for 45k?
@@Oklm23 No, I don't at the moment, but I'm sure I can find one if I look.
@@genepatrick4232 Well please do and report back to us 😉
Real world drive will probably get you around 350 miles at best if luck i feel.
When the Chinese bother to supply spare parts and repair manuals, this thing at £45k will be DOA.
Not sure. For example Renault is able to build an electric car in 10 hours now because their factory is fully robotized. They can have the same price than eastern europe or China or Tesla now.
PSA builds its own gigafactory for batteries to lower costs or uses more and more robots.
The Europe is able to compete with China with fully robotized factories. China is forced to increase its wages for chinese workers. China is even competed with others asiatic countries.
Cannot stand the UK/EU’s range testing cycle ITS WAY OFF. Always use the US’s, its the most accurate but still off. this heaps “400mile” variant would be lucky to get 300miles
Much less in the cold, in the rain, uphill, or against windy conditions, all things EV's struggle with. There may be a "safe" 200 mile range, in the UK you'd have to plan carefully to avoid having to charge for hours, or wait for hours then charge for hours. Then after 3 years, if you're mad enough to have bought it, you'll be lucky to see 30% of your cash back, and by then the battery will holid a solid 10% less charge than new....
@@FirstLast-rh9jw yeah i’ll just stick to my tesla lmao. Every other ev genuinly sucks ass
@@FirstLast-rh9jw everything you said is total bollocks
Nope, all verifiably true. That you don't want to believe it probably means you've bought an EV and can't bring yourself to admit the mistake. @@timrothwell33
You seem to be confusing the term "verifiably true" with "total lies"@@FirstLast-rh9jw
Consider this if it was half the price. Otherwise get outta here with 45k just for a car.
Misleading headline then!!!
Loveky car but like all EVs, its a bit on the pricey side. Suppose car manufacturers need to claw back the money spent on R&D
The range still suppresses? Don't you mean surpasses? 😂
I do 😂 I was recording the voiceovers in my car at 1am last night and my little dyslexic brain was already asleep.
👍👍👍😊
Way too expensive. Knock at least 10 grand off the list price. It will be worth 20 grand in 12 months.
Give them £2.50 for one.
Who is the manufacturer of the battery…there a good chance it sucks
This front design is totally not my taste
Nothing about handling
Can't accept the steering wheel, dash that compromises visibility, fabric looks and is cheap better be plastic or leather, also absolutely dislike the price of the car.
what none of channels dont say is that all EVs in 7-10 years will be basically worthless crap or such a big financial burden that again will be for scrapyard only so dont think you will drive EV for 15-20+ years as ice with minimal invest and still could sold it for fair price
Because even if we believed that to be true, which I do not. It can certainly not be proven and therefor I would not be speaking about it. I’m also unclear as to why electric cars will be worthless in 7-10 years. People talk about EVs like they’re new and yet there are people driving around in 10 year old + 200,000 mile electric cars with no issues.
Is it me or does it look like someone has taken a Citroen e-C4 and blown it up with a pump? Nice looking car but the new Renault Scenic is more practical and is way cheaper.
Yep… divisive rear end; for me, ugly and boxy. Interior ok… but surely I’m not the only one missing a bit more of an integrated cluster? and to step back from the bolt-on screen look. Oh and physical climate control.
Overpriced. I will stick to petrol for now
Too pricey.
Yes I agree, I wish the electric models were below £40k
Cmon. Stop messing you know as well as us. That’s a general estimate based on best favourable conditions the last report I read in EV is that they struggle to get to 65-70% of that estimate. It’s still not good enough. And people are starting to NOT buy EV. Apart from their repair costs, insurance and , lunatic propaganda that they are better. Err, emissions from brakes, regen and tyres are far worse than an equivalent ICE diesel. Pass.
🤦♂️
Range figures are WLTP. The WLTP driving cycle is divided into four parts with different average speeds: low, medium, high and extra high. Each part contains a variety of driving phases, stops, acceleration and braking phases. All vehicle makers uses the same test, it’s a standard. It’s actually not an estimation. The numbers given are for what the car can do in the WLTP test conditions.
I would say that the range is more than enough. You don’t drive from full to empty battery in one go, you must likely need to take a break sometime during the drive. And then you can charge the car.
Electric cars are nicer to drive than diesels, they are faster, has better climate systems, they are less noisy, and they have zero exhaust.
1. Can you name one ICE model that consistently hits its WLTP economy/emission figures? Doesn’t make it right, I agree the system again needs changing but it’s definitely not a reason to go ICE.
2. How do people start to NOT buy EV? Also, the sales growth has slowed down admittedly but that’s most likely been down to a successful misinformation campaign you’ve fallen for hook, line and sinker.
3. All modern cars cost an arm and a leg to repair. A new engine or gearbox isn’t cheap either. Brexit hasn’t helped parts supply, further upping repair costs. I note you haven’t found that in your research. Perhaps the sources of your information aren’t particularly reliable.
4. Insurance. I admit it’s subjective but I’ve just bought an EV worth twice as much as the 5 year old hot hatch I just got rid of. EV has more power and faster 0-62 yet insurance didn’t cost a single penny more. I’d worried about the insurance increase as I’d probably heard the same rubbish as you, but I can tell you from personal experience, it isn’t strictly true.
5. A little embarrassing for you this one, sorry. I’ll be kind. Regen braking, especially one pedal driving like you get on most electric cars mean you don’t have to touch the friction brakes at all for potentially hundreds or thousands of miles. Regen doesn’t emit anything, it’s literally using the motor in reverse to charge the battery. Tyres - smoother power delivery mean they can last longer on EVs. Tusker, a leading leasing firm have stated that there is so far no evidence that EVs eat through tyres faster than their ICE counterparts.
Literally nothing you’ve said holds water. PLEASE do your own research and ignore what you’ve read in the tabloid press. They only print what they think you want to hear. I own both ICE and EV so have no bias. Only for the truth and facts.
@@S4MM7ify could not have said that any better, spot on with everything you said. It’s depressing seeing comments like this all the time from ppl who are believing the lies.
Battery cars degrade every day , can’t stop it , the end , every day they are degrading until one day they will be totally useless , nothing looks worse than a four year old Tesla , they look like second hand fridges , anyhoo just had the Addams family on in the background while reading and heard Gomez calling his wife Tish , is that where you got your name ?
You could say that about every car on the roads though? Batteries have shown no sign of excess wear that we should be worried about and the TELSA was never an inspiring design to start with 😂 hahaha I believe her name is Latisha, mine is Natisha. But maybe that is where there got some inspiration.
Nice looking car but.....its an EV. No Thanks. Sorry Tishĺ
Fair enough!
Peugeot are flimsy cars, very unstable on road, tatty poor quality build cars
I love really stupid comments like this. I gather he just wants a reply. So I will oblige. Peugeots have always had good road handling - how good varies with the particular model. Of all the negatives I have read about Peugeots , this is the first time I have heard the mention about poor road handling (50 years of rally wins = poor handling - I don't think so.). Flimsy cars - not sure exactly what is meant by that however our family has driven at least 10 million kms in Peugeots. Never noticed any flimsiness. In fact most modes are extremely robust. If they weren't they would never have had rally success. If you want more specific information just reply and I'll provide it.
But please - try to make sensible comments.
Piffle.
Is Stellantis a power house? Or is it a collection of B-team brands pushed together in a desperate attempt to get economy of scale?
Have they produced anything genuinely interesting over the last few years?
"They have been at the forefront of the electric revolution..." ROFL.... no, they're late to the party with cars with inadequate design, range and longetivity. Their electric offerings are hugely compromised so far.... I'm beginning to think the presenter is talking our of her derriere, so that these unknowns can get more press cars, better invites, etc etc.
Spot on, and that that the French seem to be having more say is the nail in the coffin for the brand, would have never happened under Sergio M;s watch
I have a Stellantis EV, as a company car. No way would I buy one with my own money, as they are massively overpriced at list price. There are huge discounts available on most, up to 20%, but even then too high. The car I have is a really nice car, but it would have to be 50% of the list price to interest me as a private buyer.