As a 15k hour immortal support I agree with all the tips. Here's some more I could think of: - always deward observer first. always - when dewarding in a dangerous zone think of reatreating fast, very often they will wona go for you. It's often more benefitial to even leave out the enemy sentry and retreat - if you gona ward+deward and it's not a mid-fight, always put sentry first, deward, and only then put your obs (after they lost vision of you). This is so obvious but still a common mistake even on 6k+ - all supports have their warding 'patterns'. During the game you will learn how enemy support puts their sentries by finding them. Most of the time this is their common 'dewarding pattern'. You can expect repeated sentries on the same spots in the future. You can put your own obs out of range of enemy's dewarding habits. Same can be applied to enemy observer wards as well - there is a couple of 'tower range' dewarding tricks that author haven't shown. They are pretty common, but still would have been a good addition to the video
As a 9k hour divine (ish) support I agreee with all the tips (and the ones mentioned by my higher ranked pre commentator). Here's some more I could think of: - When you move around the map pay attention to the lanes, how they shift, e.g. mid suddenly falls back one you reach the rune spot and appears immediately after you head back to your lane. (might only apply to stronger players; might also be due to misses so you gotta be attentive with this) - It can be beneficial to not deward, e.g. you have a sentry + obs on a cliff and then the enemy wards in the same exact place. You can use your opponents half knowledge to your advantage by setting up traps, e.g. sending mid there to farm + 3 heroes smoked. (I only got this once, but my team set up a rosh bait, where we entered under vision and jumped out at the other side. Waited for the enemies and wiped them) - In regards to abusing sentry patterns: I like to sometimes leave the sentry up, and place my obs just outside of the sentry vision. Please do treat this "style-copied" comment as a compliment to yours @AcediaUA. I did like it a lot. :)
Agreed with the 2nd tip fully but the first one has some exceptions. Like if the enemy support is dewarding at the same time then dewarding their sentry first will prevent them from hitting your sentry. It's a decision you need to make based on range, attack speed and how safe you are.
One more thing to add as a 5k hours divine support, if you dewarding a sentry, try to hit one, then go back, then hit it again. Don't do it continously or they will have vision of you for the full duration of when you starting to hit the ward
I always try to take out the obs 1st when there’s an observer and a sentry… but I can only do that when the ward and sentry are not on top of each other. How can I accomplish this if they’re on the same spot? In that situation sometimes I do hit the sentry instead by mistake but since they’re on the same spot how can I select the obs to attack it first?
1 more dewarding tip / scouting tip: When you are locked in your base and desperate for vision send your courier ahead of you first. If the enemy are there they will kill it and then you only lost a courier and not your life.
Also works with the trusty shovel kobold. It might not be as likely to get killed by the enemy if they know what you're trying to do; but it provides a larger circle of vision than the courier, so you can kind of scout the area with it.
One more trick that I see most immortal supports using is to walk into the range of an enemy tower but behind a tree, so that the tower wouldn't have vision of you by itself. If the tower still hits you, it means there is an observer ward providing vision of you. Either that or there is an invis nyx next to you and you're gonna die in the next 0.001 second. So consider using this trick only when you're likely to be safe.
It’s not line of sight vision only, they use it mid to see if the tower can spot them in tower range at all. The attack range is longer than vision range granted by towers (at night time) by anout 50-100 yards, so you can enter the attack range and if it does hit you you know they have a ward nearby. By entering the attack range from the opposite side you can deduce which side the ward is on (if it hits you above the lane but not below, the ward is top rune, if both it’s middle and a mid deward should hit it etc)
If you're using smoke it might be a nice idea to not even kill observers while smoke-ganking. Specially if there is a sentry nearby. Since that place feels safe for the enemy, potentially making the gank more sucessful
I also like watching the enemy's inventary for empty spots. If the dazzle has tango, clarity, nothing and two branches, one item probably dissapeared from his inventary, it could be a ward. I like leaving empty spaces in mine to confuse the other team.
I have non-standart hotkey setup so I always have random freespots as some of my slots are activated by scrolling the scrollwheel. Don't want to eat all mangoes by accident lmao
I don't know what is the impact, but sometimes at early game I drop (not place) wards somewhere safe in the trees, let enemy check my inventory (early game on lane everybody is cheching regen, stick etc.) and after few seconds i dissapear in the fog get the wards and place them :). Not sure about the impact, but I like to do it. :)
be careful with the stairs vision trick, obviously on midlane the enemy hero also gives vision to the creeps, so dont get hit up stairs by creeps once and frantically deward the lane until you find the phantom observer
- Deny your observer if the enemy wants to get the last hit - walk closely around a cliff/tower which has a friendly sentry to check for Wards. Walking closely will give you small portions of high ground vision and reveal wards.
Abaddon's Aphotic Shield is another spell that requires vision to damage you. Juking into something that should be fog of war/not visible but still getting hit by the shield pop is a major indicator.
a trick to avoid the standing still and looking like you're warding issue is to press shift and right click to the area you plan on going after using the ward. Holding shift while giving a command will queue that command and will instantly occur once the previous command is finish. This is useful not only for warding but using Tangos and grabbing runes as well. Anytime you want to do something and maintain the walking momentum of your character you can use a Shift command
especially during pre-game I like placing obs from the treeline as well, so that if the enemies already have an obs on that area they don't actually see me going there with a ward
Shift-click is better, but it still can be spotted. It makes a little glitch with placing. But that's even better when you know about it, coz you can fake it. Just press "stop" during movement under enemy's vision, and if he's not checking your inventory before and after (like when fight is about to happend, or early game ganking/outnumbering), you can fake placing the ward, so wasting their sentry on wrong spot.
I wanted to share an idea that you can effectively farm enemy jungle and leave the least value neutral to block the camp. Making the camps blocked even without wards. It is the opposite of stacking
Let me know if you make a video for this. I have shared this tip with many and no one seemed to apply it systematically yet, but i am sure it will work wonders even at high level, as it will force the carries to be in more dangerous position in the mid game phase, esp useful with meepo, NP, enchant, lycan, doom, and midas esp now with two charges.
In lanning phase, when you wanne pull the creeps and the enemy support is already making a move to your derection. It mostly also indicate they have vision on you. Also look at attacks, you cant attack someone in trees without having hg vision on them. Every pos 4 gets a ward for in lane, as pos 5 you just need to find it for free gold.
Im actually knew some of it like NP's ult hit you, but this is actually very useful information like the wand stick can reveal enemy's ward. Thanks for the information, i gonna use this in my next match.
There’s one you missed. The trick that Nisha used during Riyadh Masters to check if the mid lane dire side cliff was warded. He stood at the edge of the tower range where it should have fog of war active. The tower will attack you if the cliff on their triangle is warded. Same in Bottom lane Radiant cliff
a tip i take advantage of is: if you know where *some* enemies are but not all of them, or you have confidence you can sneak in, use a smoke of deceit on yourself to go deep and ward / deward. if your smoke breaks on the way there, you can a warning in advance. often this means i get away. you can even use this if you are trapped in base but know the enemy has a ward just outside. if you use a smoke you may be able to get the deward and then escape before they have time to react and rotate back to kill you. you will have to judge yourself if this is worth it. usually it's just a greedy thing to do but it often works in my games. sometimes if an enemy has a money hungry lineup, you can smoke in to block some of their jungle camps. this value of this has been greatly diminished since they made the map bigger tho. smokes are a limited resource however and you need to judge if a ward / deward is worth it. it's fairly situational but extremely useful.
Building on top of that - when I have a blink dagger on a ranged support and I am desperate for vision in an area, I smoke in, drop the sentry, hit once (which breaks the smoke) and then blink out when the second attack projectile is in the air. Helps a lot against global heroes like spectre who can instantly punish you for every deward, as it gives them very little time to react.
Skywrath mage's Concussive shot is another skill that requires vision to find a target. Also, when warding, only use cliff wards when you plan to fight in the immediate area. Learn spots that are useful and outside a sentry placed on top of a cliff. If your ward does give only a slice of vision, but covers movement deep in enemy territory, you still gain the information you need. Another tip, if you play against farm heavy core, block camps with wards and place them far away from each other, so the enemy supports have to buy a ward for each camp they want to free up for their core.
I don't play at high mmr so I don't know how really effective this is but, warding tip: Shift-click movement at the exact spot you warded. After that, try to have "normal" movements. In case they see you at the moment you warded, you will look less suspicious and the enemy support will be less prone to place sentries.
@@m.murashkhan.4383 Yes, absolutely. It's more intended for situations where you are not under s ward but directly within sight of an enemy; such as laning phase or as when you know you're being stalked by an invis hero. Sure, they can check your inventory but they'll be less likely to do so, and by the time they'll notice they'll be wracking their brain trying to remember when you moved to a warding spot. Conversely, a fun trick of mine is to blatantly beeline to a warding spot, stop and "stare" at it for a second, then leave in another direction at a sharp angle. There's good chances that the enemy support who saw you will go waste a sentry at that spot.
For me the best warding mind play is when placing obses in direct vision of enemy. Whenever you place a ward near creeps, or close to tower vision, or even an enemy hero. Even when shift-clicking movement while placing ward there is a little "sidestep"/glitch everybody can see, and I like to fake it and place the ward on like 2nd or 3rd sidestep, and it works like a charm and wastes quite a lot of enemies dewarding sentries.
0:38 I believe neutrals are programmed to use certain abilities more frequently (like the Wildwing Ripper's Hurricane and the Centaur's War Stomp) when 2 heroes from opposite teams are nearby. I remember at least one instance where I got out of a gank because of a stomp being triggered when I wasn't expecting it.
This is only tangentially related, but how do you handle paranoid carries who ask you to deward areas where the enemy couldn't possibly have warded? I don't mind buying sentries, but wards are a limited resource and dewarding can also cost time you'd rather spend providing actual support... or you could use more tps but that also costs gold and have long cooldowns.
I have my Obs, enemy has their sentry. I drop my Obs somewhere in the tress or give to ally at other lane. Enemy thinks i just put the ward and they use/waste their sentry.
Walking around the cliff to detect the ward while the sentry is on the ground is actually a lot easier to do. Most cliffs (besides a few exceptions) are circular. This means that the ward can only be in one of four quadrants in the circle, and it cannot be in the centre. This means you can just shift queue all four quadrants of the cliff (the centre is the middle of the eye symbol) and you can very easily detect the ward, because your hero moves in the simplest path. This is a bit harder when your sentry is already on the cliff because your cursor snaps to the sentry instead of the quadrant you want to shift queue
2:33 skymage second skill with the global talent altough hard to say where cause the spells speed across map, spectre ult needs clearance too. Unforseeable pudge hook can also reveal they got vision but sometimes blindhooks are the case.
I got a tip that was missed out. Take illusion rune or tell your dps that has a manta to use illusions to scout ahead. Good when all are missing and you want to know where enemies are, but also for the support to check how they behave around the illusion, you can check the radar even when fake flanking someone with it if he backs off in the lane. You know they had vision somewhere near. You could even fake gank by micromanaging the movement to make it more like a real hero, instead of just a idle illusion. Therefor taking away some farm, because he feels threatened by someone in the bushes. Trick is not to show more copies of this illusion hero.
Normally all guides that I see on yt are "how to play _hero_" I really think that a guide of "how to play dota" should have great impact. Like, this is what carry should do, off mid etc, what is their main role on the game and how u they can help eachother, I think that's the main problem of today dota, not really knowing how to play dota. :D Edit: English is my 3rd language so... Sorry if there is anything writed wrong.... Am sure it's.
One more time for knowing if any area is warded is while playing Slark, Slarks Innate Barracuda gives him a boost of regen and agility as long as he's invisible, the moment there's a ward anywhere closeby the innate stops and you will notice you are visibly slower while moving around.. be a team player and get a blue ward and deward it yourself rather than wait for a support to do it. You even get the gold back once you deward.
1 thing pretty common in low mmr is that support tends to place obs and sentry right on top of each other on common places like cliffs, so close that when you attack to de-ward the obs you can misclick the sentry, gives times to enemies to react and possibly kill you. So, always attack the obs first (yellow one, without the blue eye on top)
In enemy's territory, if you placed a sentry n found their sentry, you can place an obs ward right outside their sentry range(right on the outer circle) then deward your own sentry. But to do that you gotta make sure by common sense that they have no ward in that area. Works nicely on sideways of the map.
The most common one though: If you’re playing as Slark and you are level 6 or above, and you don’t have the bonus speed and regen, probably there is ab observer around or an invisible enemy.
@@hornbag1 no. global concussive shot is a lvl 20 talent. the aghs makes it x2 (and you only get to land it on the enemy hero if you had vision the moment you cast the CS)
@zzADRiANzz Thank you for your efforts. But as a very low ranked player i wanna ask you though: Didint you leave out one oft the besst dewarding techniques? I am talking about smoking yourself. You will know if an enemy is in the area if smoke pops and furthermore their Observers won't see you. Am i right or am i trippin?
@@Oliplaysdota The video is about dewarding tips. I didnt say smoking makes me detect a ward. I said that smoking makes you invisible for enemy observer wards
Smoke is not popped by observer wards. Smoking for warding is a nice thing to do, pretty advanced. But it's not super benefiticial to smoke for dewarding, since you'll have to break smoke in order to attack wards
i also have habbit, beginning of the game when enemy hero revealed i constantly check their inventory to see who brought ward and where they move/pathing. so when first check they brought ward and second check it missing, possibly they placed his ward on the way his pathing..
if enemy goes into fog with ward in inventory, you can actually click on ward in their inventory and it will show notification for your team that enemy has ward, at the moment he places wards you cant get those notifications anymore
If you’re doing a hero challenge for dewarding, denying your own wards counts. Do this if your team is clearly gonna win and you have an abundance of wards. If you and your teammate accidentally both ward the same spot, just deny the one you placed. Always have your double ward stack so that you can put a sentry first. It’s much more common that you would panic and hastily drop a sentry than the other way around
One last global vision-dependent ability. Zeus ult will give truesight but not damage you if you are invisible (damage goes first). If you are invis but take damage that means they have truesight over you.
for this tip don't need only zeus ult. You can try to taunt line creeps by click attak on enemy hero than stand in out of your range of attack, if creeps start follow you and attack near true sight sourse.
Protipp I'm telling since I started mobas 14 years ago, but even Pros don't use. Don't deward enemy wards in your Vision, act like you don't have vision there and set up a trap.
@@zzadrianzz Software Engineer here , was on the verge of getting laid off last month. But didn't. I know how it feels. Times are hard, stay positive, will get another job.
that checking enemy portrait is annoying now.. somethime 1 or 2 hero cant be check at all with that method.. its annoying if its core.. is it just me ?
Sometimes if the enemy killed on your vision and you aure he knows where your ward is it might be a good idea to deny the ward yourself it might cause the enemy support to waste a lot of sentries to sniff out a well hidden ward that isnt even there anymore.
I always show myself with wards on enemy vision by entering their jungle, then I destroy my wards and leave on their vision. Enemy losing their mind trying to find these wards
i play support alot i have a rule where i never use obs wards during lane phase also i like to save up sentries for the mid game right around when enemy carry wants to jungle i will go out and block all their jungle camps with sentries to fuck with their farm rotations
Very basic tip but don’t just waste sentries if you don’t have a reason to think they warded a specific spot. Unless it’s a super common ward spot like mid or triangle cliff. I see supports try to deward random spots the enemy hasn’t even been near all the time.
Meanwhile sups at 4k. Wards all bought out, vision in some useless place and gets dewarded in 30 seconds because they coudlnt place it in more obvious place if they tried. Wards that stay full duration are the best. Stop putting them on cliffs only unless it's a team fight and you intend to protect it and get your vision worth.
7:32 o man, i woudl blacklist every moron that keeps pinging me to deward when enemy just camp there and i knew not to do this since like 10 years, and people still cant understand it.
As a 15k hour immortal support I agree with all the tips. Here's some more I could think of:
- always deward observer first. always
- when dewarding in a dangerous zone think of reatreating fast, very often they will wona go for you. It's often more benefitial to even leave out the enemy sentry and retreat
- if you gona ward+deward and it's not a mid-fight, always put sentry first, deward, and only then put your obs (after they lost vision of you). This is so obvious but still a common mistake even on 6k+
- all supports have their warding 'patterns'. During the game you will learn how enemy support puts their sentries by finding them. Most of the time this is their common 'dewarding pattern'. You can expect repeated sentries on the same spots in the future. You can put your own obs out of range of enemy's dewarding habits. Same can be applied to enemy observer wards as well
- there is a couple of 'tower range' dewarding tricks that author haven't shown. They are pretty common, but still would have been a good addition to the video
As a 9k hour divine (ish) support I agreee with all the tips (and the ones mentioned by my higher ranked pre commentator). Here's some more I could think of:
- When you move around the map pay attention to the lanes, how they shift, e.g. mid suddenly falls back one you reach the rune spot and appears immediately after you head back to your lane. (might only apply to stronger players; might also be due to misses so you gotta be attentive with this)
- It can be beneficial to not deward, e.g. you have a sentry + obs on a cliff and then the enemy wards in the same exact place. You can use your opponents half knowledge to your advantage by setting up traps, e.g. sending mid there to farm + 3 heroes smoked. (I only got this once, but my team set up a rosh bait, where we entered under vision and jumped out at the other side. Waited for the enemies and wiped them)
- In regards to abusing sentry patterns: I like to sometimes leave the sentry up, and place my obs just outside of the sentry vision.
Please do treat this "style-copied" comment as a compliment to yours @AcediaUA. I did like it a lot. :)
This channel have 9k mmr dude
Agreed with the 2nd tip fully but the first one has some exceptions. Like if the enemy support is dewarding at the same time then dewarding their sentry first will prevent them from hitting your sentry. It's a decision you need to make based on range, attack speed and how safe you are.
One more thing to add as a 5k hours divine support, if you dewarding a sentry, try to hit one, then go back, then hit it again. Don't do it continously or they will have vision of you for the full duration of when you starting to hit the ward
I always try to take out the obs 1st when there’s an observer and a sentry… but I can only do that when the ward and sentry are not on top of each other. How can I accomplish this if they’re on the same spot? In that situation sometimes I do hit the sentry instead by mistake but since they’re on the same spot how can I select the obs to attack it first?
1 more dewarding tip / scouting tip:
When you are locked in your base and desperate for vision send your courier ahead of you first. If the enemy are there they will kill it and then you only lost a courier and not your life.
ass tip
Great add to this topic. Thanks
Also works with the trusty shovel kobold. It might not be as likely to get killed by the enemy if they know what you're trying to do; but it provides a larger circle of vision than the courier, so you can kind of scout the area with it.
What?? no I love my default courier 🥺
does not work on turbo
One more trick that I see most immortal supports using is to walk into the range of an enemy tower but behind a tree, so that the tower wouldn't have vision of you by itself. If the tower still hits you, it means there is an observer ward providing vision of you.
Either that or there is an invis nyx next to you and you're gonna die in the next 0.001 second. So consider using this trick only when you're likely to be safe.
yeah, it's the tower range dewarding trick
It’s not line of sight vision only, they use it mid to see if the tower can spot them in tower range at all. The attack range is longer than vision range granted by towers (at night time) by anout 50-100 yards, so you can enter the attack range and if it does hit you you know they have a ward nearby. By entering the attack range from the opposite side you can deduce which side the ward is on (if it hits you above the lane but not below, the ward is top rune, if both it’s middle and a mid deward should hit it etc)
If you're using smoke it might be a nice idea to not even kill observers while smoke-ganking. Specially if there is a sentry nearby. Since that place feels safe for the enemy, potentially making the gank more sucessful
Yep i always do this.
I also like watching the enemy's inventary for empty spots. If the dazzle has tango, clarity, nothing and two branches, one item probably dissapeared from his inventary, it could be a ward. I like leaving empty spaces in mine to confuse the other team.
I have non-standart hotkey setup so I always have random freespots as some of my slots are activated by scrolling the scrollwheel. Don't want to eat all mangoes by accident lmao
I don't know what is the impact, but sometimes at early game I drop (not place) wards somewhere safe in the trees, let enemy check my inventory (early game on lane everybody is cheching regen, stick etc.) and after few seconds i dissapear in the fog get the wards and place them :). Not sure about the impact, but I like to do it. :)
be careful with the stairs vision trick, obviously on midlane the enemy hero also gives vision to the creeps, so dont get hit up stairs by creeps once and frantically deward the lane until you find the phantom observer
- Deny your observer if the enemy wants to get the last hit
- walk closely around a cliff/tower which has a friendly sentry to check for Wards. Walking closely will give you small portions of high ground vision and reveal wards.
second tip was covered in video but still good job
Abaddon's Aphotic Shield is another spell that requires vision to damage you. Juking into something that should be fog of war/not visible but still getting hit by the shield pop is a major indicator.
rly??? This would have been useful so many times! Guess I know from now on :P
its not true, its aoe
It is an aoe that needs vision to confirm whether or not it hits you@@max-tp1xv
a trick to avoid the standing still and looking like you're warding issue is to press shift and right click to the area you plan on going after using the ward. Holding shift while giving a command will queue that command and will instantly occur once the previous command is finish. This is useful not only for warding but using Tangos and grabbing runes as well. Anytime you want to do something and maintain the walking momentum of your character you can use a Shift command
While in midlane, I always use shift command (pre move) during my movement to not look like im placing a ward.
especially during pre-game I like placing obs from the treeline as well, so that if the enemies already have an obs on that area they don't actually see me going there with a ward
Shift-click is better, but it still can be spotted. It makes a little glitch with placing. But that's even better when you know about it, coz you can fake it. Just press "stop" during movement under enemy's vision, and if he's not checking your inventory before and after (like when fight is about to happend, or early game ganking/outnumbering), you can fake placing the ward, so wasting their sentry on wrong spot.
I wanted to share an idea that you can effectively farm enemy jungle and leave the least value neutral to block the camp. Making the camps blocked even without wards. It is the opposite of stacking
Yy, it is great. I use it quite a lot, when i'm losing blocking camp war early game (especially small camp).
Let me know if you make a video for this. I have shared this tip with many and no one seemed to apply it systematically yet, but i am sure it will work wonders even at high level, as it will force the carries to be in more dangerous position in the mid game phase, esp useful with meepo, NP, enchant, lycan, doom, and midas esp now with two charges.
In lanning phase, when you wanne pull the creeps and the enemy support is already making a move to your derection. It mostly also indicate they have vision on you. Also look at attacks, you cant attack someone in trees without having hg vision on them. Every pos 4 gets a ward for in lane, as pos 5 you just need to find it for free gold.
Im actually knew some of it like NP's ult hit you, but this is actually very useful information like the wand stick can reveal enemy's ward. Thanks for the information, i gonna use this in my next match.
There’s one you missed.
The trick that Nisha used during Riyadh Masters to check if the mid lane dire side cliff was warded. He stood at the edge of the tower range where it should have fog of war active. The tower will attack you if the cliff on their triangle is warded.
Same in Bottom lane Radiant cliff
one of the best training videos on varding \ devarding!
Super helpful video! I'll be using all of these as much as I can in my games
Thanks for the support and video idea! :D
a tip i take advantage of is: if you know where *some* enemies are but not all of them, or you have confidence you can sneak in, use a smoke of deceit on yourself to go deep and ward / deward. if your smoke breaks on the way there, you can a warning in advance. often this means i get away.
you can even use this if you are trapped in base but know the enemy has a ward just outside. if you use a smoke you may be able to get the deward and then escape before they have time to react and rotate back to kill you. you will have to judge yourself if this is worth it. usually it's just a greedy thing to do but it often works in my games.
sometimes if an enemy has a money hungry lineup, you can smoke in to block some of their jungle camps. this value of this has been greatly diminished since they made the map bigger tho.
smokes are a limited resource however and you need to judge if a ward / deward is worth it. it's fairly situational but extremely useful.
Building on top of that - when I have a blink dagger on a ranged support and I am desperate for vision in an area, I smoke in, drop the sentry, hit once (which breaks the smoke) and then blink out when the second attack projectile is in the air. Helps a lot against global heroes like spectre who can instantly punish you for every deward, as it gives them very little time to react.
@@AalapShah12297 omg ty i will try this next time, sounds rly useful
not deward sentry in top, makes enemy doesnt know if u place observer
and your video is so helpfull ! really love it !
magic stick ward testing. Tech I take for granted, but should be shared more. Adrian never disappoints.
Skywrath mage's Concussive shot is another skill that requires vision to find a target. Also, when warding, only use cliff wards when you plan to fight in the immediate area. Learn spots that are useful and outside a sentry placed on top of a cliff. If your ward does give only a slice of vision, but covers movement deep in enemy territory, you still gain the information you need. Another tip, if you play against farm heavy core, block camps with wards and place them far away from each other, so the enemy supports have to buy a ward for each camp they want to free up for their core.
I don't play at high mmr so I don't know how really effective this is but, warding tip: Shift-click movement at the exact spot you warded. After that, try to have "normal" movements. In case they see you at the moment you warded, you will look less suspicious and the enemy support will be less prone to place sentries.
This trick is applicable only if they have an observer and not a sentry on the ward spot. But still this trick is good.
@@m.murashkhan.4383 Yes, absolutely. It's more intended for situations where you are not under s ward but directly within sight of an enemy; such as laning phase or as when you know you're being stalked by an invis hero. Sure, they can check your inventory but they'll be less likely to do so, and by the time they'll notice they'll be wracking their brain trying to remember when you moved to a warding spot.
Conversely, a fun trick of mine is to blatantly beeline to a warding spot, stop and "stare" at it for a second, then leave in another direction at a sharp angle. There's good chances that the enemy support who saw you will go waste a sentry at that spot.
For me the best warding mind play is when placing obses in direct vision of enemy. Whenever you place a ward near creeps, or close to tower vision, or even an enemy hero. Even when shift-clicking movement while placing ward there is a little "sidestep"/glitch everybody can see, and I like to fake it and place the ward on like 2nd or 3rd sidestep, and it works like a charm and wastes quite a lot of enemies dewarding sentries.
Thumbnail is so good i don't even need to watch an actual video
0:38 I believe neutrals are programmed to use certain abilities more frequently (like the Wildwing Ripper's Hurricane and the Centaur's War Stomp) when 2 heroes from opposite teams are nearby. I remember at least one instance where I got out of a gank because of a stomp being triggered when I wasn't expecting it.
those were some extremely good advice. thanks man.
This is only tangentially related, but how do you handle paranoid carries who ask you to deward areas where the enemy couldn't possibly have warded? I don't mind buying sentries, but wards are a limited resource and dewarding can also cost time you'd rather spend providing actual support... or you could use more tps but that also costs gold and have long cooldowns.
Another tip.
At 6:49 you can see two observer cliff. You can place sentry at the middle of two cliff for efficient dewarding. Using only 1 sentry.
I have my Obs, enemy has their sentry. I drop my Obs somewhere in the tress or give to ally at other lane. Enemy thinks i just put the ward and they use/waste their sentry.
Walking around the cliff to detect the ward while the sentry is on the ground is actually a lot easier to do. Most cliffs (besides a few exceptions) are circular. This means that the ward can only be in one of four quadrants in the circle, and it cannot be in the centre.
This means you can just shift queue all four quadrants of the cliff (the centre is the middle of the eye symbol) and you can very easily detect the ward, because your hero moves in the simplest path. This is a bit harder when your sentry is already on the cliff because your cursor snaps to the sentry instead of the quadrant you want to shift queue
2:33 skymage second skill with the global talent altough hard to say where cause the spells speed across map, spectre ult needs clearance too. Unforseeable pudge hook can also reveal they got vision but sometimes blindhooks are the case.
I got a tip that was missed out. Take illusion rune or tell your dps that has a manta to use illusions to scout ahead. Good when all are missing and you want to know where enemies are, but also for the support to check how they behave around the illusion, you can check the radar even when fake flanking someone with it if he backs off in the lane. You know they had vision somewhere near. You could even fake gank by micromanaging the movement to make it more like a real hero, instead of just a idle illusion. Therefor taking away some farm, because he feels threatened by someone in the bushes. Trick is not to show more copies of this illusion hero.
How did i not figured that first one, after almost 5k hrs, keep it up brother
Is the enemy inventory updated from your teammates checking or its just from your memory?
Warding is a science.
Which is why i'm scared of playing pos 5.
Really usefull tips though, thank you very much.
Normally all guides that I see on yt are "how to play _hero_" I really think that a guide of "how to play dota" should have great impact. Like, this is what carry should do, off mid etc, what is their main role on the game and how u they can help eachother, I think that's the main problem of today dota, not really knowing how to play dota. :D
Edit: English is my 3rd language so... Sorry if there is anything writed wrong.... Am sure it's.
One more time for knowing if any area is warded is while playing Slark, Slarks Innate Barracuda gives him a boost of regen and agility as long as he's invisible, the moment there's a ward anywhere closeby the innate stops and you will notice you are visibly slower while moving around.. be a team player and get a blue ward and deward it yourself rather than wait for a support to do it. You even get the gold back once you deward.
1 thing pretty common in low mmr is that support tends to place obs and sentry right on top of each other on common places like cliffs, so close that when you attack to de-ward the obs you can misclick the sentry, gives times to enemies to react and possibly kill you. So, always attack the obs first (yellow one, without the blue eye on top)
And how do you this when they’re on top of each other? Sometimes I attack the sent by mistake
Can you do a strength loss interaction video and how it affects things like AA ult, norphling and etc
In enemy's territory, if you placed a sentry n found their sentry, you can place an obs ward right outside their sentry range(right on the outer circle) then deward your own sentry. But to do that you gotta make sure by common sense that they have no ward in that area. Works nicely on sideways of the map.
just know it from this video dude, ty ty
thank you man, great video!
хоть я и знал почти все, сказанное в видео, все равно похвалю
P.s. лучшее время девардинга - когда курьер мог использовать топорик
the last tip also works well when you clear a creep wave and want to fake your next move while enemy has lingering vision
In turbo you can put a branch somewhere, then have your courier come get the branch and it will just sit there giving vision.
Hey can you do how cogs work? Theres so many times where i hit the cogs next to an enemy and it doesnt proc 😞
this is very good video, thank you for sharing.
The most common one though:
If you’re playing as Slark and you are level 6 or above, and you don’t have the bonus speed and regen, probably there is ab observer around or an invisible enemy.
the content what we need
Vision spell: skywrath concussive shot or did they change that one?
his aghs does global vision cast
@@hornbag1 no. global concussive shot is a lvl 20 talent. the aghs makes it x2 (and you only get to land it on the enemy hero if you had vision the moment you cast the CS)
@zzADRiANzz
Thank you for your efforts. But as a very low ranked player i wanna ask you though: Didint you leave out one oft the besst dewarding techniques? I am talking about smoking yourself. You will know if an enemy is in the area if smoke pops and furthermore their Observers won't see you. Am i right or am i trippin?
How does that tell you whether there's a ward? The smoke just tells you there's a hero
@@Oliplaysdota The video is about dewarding tips. I didnt say smoking makes me detect a ward. I said that smoking makes you invisible for enemy observer wards
But i see how i failed the topic. Probably smoking is more used to get down deep wards, making sure you are not seen
Smoke is not popped by observer wards. Smoking for warding is a nice thing to do, pretty advanced. But it's not super benefiticial to smoke for dewarding, since you'll have to break smoke in order to attack wards
@@AcediaUA yes. Thats what i meant by me actually failing the topic xD
Can you make a discussion about arc warden facet and mechanics?
i also have habbit, beginning of the game when enemy hero revealed i constantly check their inventory to see who brought ward and where they move/pathing. so when first check they brought ward and second check it missing, possibly they placed his ward on the way his pathing..
Bro, can you make a list of best duos in safelane in this patch?
if enemy goes into fog with ward in inventory, you can actually click on ward in their inventory and it will show notification for your team that enemy has ward, at the moment he places wards you cant get those notifications anymore
Use queue actions to place a ward while moving with your team, so you dont stop walking and stay together with them
If you’re doing a hero challenge for dewarding, denying your own wards counts. Do this if your team is clearly gonna win and you have an abundance of wards. If you and your teammate accidentally both ward the same spot, just deny the one you placed. Always have your double ward stack so that you can put a sentry first. It’s much more common that you would panic and hastily drop a sentry than the other way around
One last global vision-dependent ability. Zeus ult will give truesight but not damage you if you are invisible (damage goes first). If you are invis but take damage that means they have truesight over you.
for this tip don't need only zeus ult. You can try to taunt line creeps by click attak on enemy hero than stand in out of your range of attack, if creeps start follow you and attack near true sight sourse.
never had an idea that you can see when the enemy wards are about to expire. +1
bro how u using whole map for pratice or demo,, couldnt find that
bro! i clicked like and subscribe and i immediately gained like 2000 mmr! holy shit!
mah man
These are some amazing tips
shaman 1st spell reveals your position, so sticks would be charging even in no vision, same applies to any point target spells
Protipp I'm telling since I started mobas 14 years ago, but even Pros don't use. Don't deward enemy wards in your Vision, act like you don't have vision there and set up a trap.
what you do for a living man?
Software Engineer -> laid off -> searching for new job and making videos
@@zzadrianzz good luck bro
He deward.
@@zzadrianzz Software Engineer here , was on the verge of getting laid off last month. But didn't. I know how it feels. Times are hard, stay positive, will get another job.
@@TantoRv2 tyty
You should give examples of undisjointable spells like witch doctor stun and skywrath 1st skill
Slark's Ultimate Shadow Dance passive will be removed when he is visible to enemy's so it's a giveaway sign that there is a observer ward nearby
For cm you can plant sentry on ground and hit first skill on enemy warding spot
very useful tips !
How did you attack automatically without clicking at 6:00?
auto attack, default key is A
FIRST ONE WAS OLD, BUT GOOD TO REMIND IT
This guy is so Smart
A video suggestion: how spirit vessel and urn of shadow works ?
I think you can use Slark passive regen to see if they have vision of you
that checking enemy portrait is annoying now.. somethime 1 or 2 hero cant be check at all with that method.. its annoying if its core.. is it just me ?
dota 2 is still beta XD not just you.
I hate teammates who plant obs at obvious spots. We lose vision and a ward. Enemy gains gold and exp.
Lich Frostshield damage doesn't go though unless he has vision on you!
Slark últ is also great to know if the enemy has vision
Hey man are you back to streaming we miss you!
Sometimes if the enemy killed on your vision and you aure he knows where your ward is it might be a good idea to deny the ward yourself it might cause the enemy support to waste a lot of sentries to sniff out a well hidden ward that isnt even there anymore.
Andrey Immersion, it's you?
@@Yanoor nope
spend like 10 time less in game than he is
I always show myself with wards on enemy vision by entering their jungle, then I destroy my wards and leave on their vision. Enemy losing their mind trying to find these wards
Creeps sometimes stumble going upstairs but still see you somehow
dewarding tip
if your hero is slark you can find ward when your hp regen gets low
Btw, as I know, warlock’s imps follow enemies even in fog
2:24 skywrath concussive shot, especially if it's global
My fav is when they cast on me and I know clearly they had no vision 😎
Okay this is a science.
Holy shit these are some pro tips
Actually i think the stick tip is even present in one of the tips that show during a pause
i play support alot i have a rule where i never use obs wards during lane phase also i like to save up sentries for the mid game right around when enemy carry wants to jungle i will go out and block all their jungle camps with sentries to fuck with their farm rotations
if i try this, i get 4 reports from team
Very basic tip but don’t just waste sentries if you don’t have a reason to think they warded a specific spot. Unless it’s a super common ward spot like mid or triangle cliff. I see supports try to deward random spots the enemy hasn’t even been near all the time.
Wow nice tips
This requires me to know their line of sight
2:44 obviously Spectre ulti aswell haha
thank u for this
4:20 Whole youre laping around, if pos 4 out of nowhere is on way to you, you know its there
2:30 Sky skywrath mage Concussive Shot lvl 20 Global Concussive Shot icon Concussive Shot
i knew this method but most core player just ping every map, claiming there is a ward when it is doesn't.
Meanwhile sups at 4k. Wards all bought out, vision in some useless place and gets dewarded in 30 seconds because they coudlnt place it in more obvious place if they tried. Wards that stay full duration are the best. Stop putting them on cliffs only unless it's a team fight and you intend to protect it and get your vision worth.
7:32 o man, i woudl blacklist every moron that keeps pinging me to deward when enemy just camp there and i knew not to do this since like 10 years, and people still cant understand it.
Most of the heralds will stop blaming their supports and carries after watching this