The whole “two things touching right on the edge” is actually something my graphic design teachers always told me to avoid - they always would call it “kissing” because they’re just barely brushing each other like a light kiss. And that’s a no-go. Either you go in or go home with the touching.
It's like they've given fresh-outa-classical-artschool-interns-who-played-around-with-illustrator-for-2hours the responsibility to redesign all of the icons
Apple isn't exactly one to abide by social norms... In business, youre always told that market research is vital to a businesses success and yet, when steve jobs was asked if he wanted to do it, he replied ''no because our customers don't know what they want until we've shown them."
I think the problem is that it looks too much like iOS. It looks too much like a touch screen interface and we all know how horrible those are to use with a mouse (I'm looking at you windows 8) Edit: typo
Garage Ghost I agree. I’ve been using macOS as a workstation, and not a “portable” device. I loved that it looked professional and felt that it’s better off as an actual laptop, rather than a mixup between ipad & macbook.
Actually considering that xiaomi and huawei have been stealing from apple's design language for years and they've actually done it pretty well (take MIUI 12 for example which is beautiful) the new version of MacOS looks WORSE than ACTUAL chinese ripoffs of apple. Which is frankly just sad.
To your surprise (or not?) there is a Chinese linux distro that mimicks MacOS: www.deepin.org/en/ Note the most recent version with redesigned icons actually came out BEFORE Big Sur was even revealed 🤔 So MacOS is copying their Chinese ripoff now?
Apple is like trying to compete with Microsoft for most inconsistent design title for their OS. I would never thought that Apple could make something so inconsistent and jarring to look at
Yep. When I watched the keynote being showed, I thought even the circle icons are much better than the squircle ones on the desktop machines. The new icons are hilarious about shape and design detail. I still hope Apple will keep the old design of icons or make them just circular.
You know, I think that Tim Apple is trying to copy Steve Jobs, cause Steve was the one who did the whole "freindly" interface language, but I guess it works? maybe?
as an actual designer it brings me joy to see such terribleness captured so perfectly. in one typography class back in college we would actually submit assignments using comic sans as a joke
As a graphic communications student, I just want to go in and fix the icons as it feels like I’m staring at an unfinished project with tons of placeholders of things that need to be refined and uniform with the rest of the design. There are things in some of the icons that are considered wrong when it comes to designing
Steve Jobs would already have absolutely slaughtered everybody on this design team. Its one thing to go for a different style, its another to make it imperfect in every detail, very un-Apple.
First. It’s a BETA! Second. It’s a BETA It’s not imperfect in every little detail. It’s more that it’s not perfect in some details. That for sure will be fixed before the release.
Smashing That Like Button what do you talk about dude? They have release AirPods (which was named the best invention of the decade), Apple Watch, drastically improved their services, lowered the cost of acquisition for almost all products, was the first trillion dollar company, they have invested more in communities than ever before, they are running 100% (and more) on renewable energy, etc. Tim Cook is a great CEO and even Steve would ask him first for advice about every big decision he would take when he was alive and running the company. I truly don’t understand why people say Apple is not the same as before. It is not the same company just because is better actually.
@Juliano Lyons-Cayson same although I prefer 10.13 to 10.10 interface in 10.14 they made the os fonts more like iOS and iPadOS, which personally hurt non retina macs alot and it's like they were preparing for big sur especially in Catalina although that just my opinion
John Taylor Thanks India Inc. They also take over code written by others, paste their names in the source files, then claim they wrote it. These people have no design sense.
Yeah. I am more of a Linux kind of guy, but Apple's naming scheme is usually pretty neat even though some could argue at times bit cheesy. *cough* *cough* Genius *cough*. But that name is straight out of some github repo to somekind of exploit tool to vulnerability.
Is anyone here aware Big Sur is an actual place? It isn't ridiculous at all. Mountain lion (lives in mountains), Maverick (lives in mountains), Yosemite (mostly mountains), El Capitan (a mountain), Sierra/High Sierra (more mountains), Mojave (in Cali, has mountains), Catalina (same deal as Mojave) and now Big Sur which is a strip of California coast with, you guessed it, mountains. All of it has to do with mountains. How are mountains ridiculous?
That seems to be the case, huh. But not having him around also removed Apple of any restrictions to abide by aesthetics. After he was gone, we had seen major overhaul to hardware. I honestly think it's not a coincidence because he's not responsible for just software design.
pnnytx I think it’s alright but nothing special. I live skeuomorphism and would’ve preferred that look over the 10.11 redesign for sure. 10.15 looks really nice imo though, just hope they can get that consistency again when 11 actually releases.
dang snow leopard was a very good release so smooth and stable and even ran my mid 2010 macbook pro as cool as ice! even today without a thermal paste replace!
bro i have a 2010 imac pro and a 2009 macbook cus apple is too expensive but for some reason i have like a $1k gaming setup with a op pc but apple is way more expensive than my op gaming setup so if im not on my pc ill use my 2009 macbook or 2010 imac pro that has a mechanical hard drive lel 🙃 and i am messaging on my pc so i is forced to use low quality emojis that look like the new battery icon in mac os big sur
The notification Bell in System Preferences is absolutely hideous. Edit: Yes, you mentioned the same thought I had about the bell. Some things look like a really bad Linux skin. If you use OS 11 in Light mode then look at the forward and back arrows in System Preferences, they look like they blend in, they're missing the rectangle box around the buttons.
I honestly thought the UI on Catalina was just fine. There were still some old "glossy" skeumorphic style icons but overall the style was still clean and up to snuff with modern design sensibilities. It was a pretty nice mix of the two and it looked neat. It really didn't need to be overhauled this hard and especially not with those icons
outernet Catalina is so buggy. My favourite bug is the one where my laptop display doesn’t turn on after going to sleep (backlight on but black screen) and i have to do a hard reset, losing unsaved work. Adobe apps also didn’t work on release, a small Catalina update broke a daemon causing my CPU to spike to constant 75% usage, random massive log files in the system directory bring dropped for no reason, etc. Shit makes me almost want to go back to windows. Almost
@@ChenLiYong a lot of people grew up with their parents saying that to them as kids. The simplest things like "Mom can we go to (insert kid's favorite fast food place)?" Mom: "No! We have (the name of the fast food place) at home!". The stuff at home is nothing like the place (even though fast food is trash anyways) and the kid is disappointed because kids want exactly what they want. TBH it's probably much more prevalent of a saying in American culture. Shit i know it from experiencing it in childhood myself. Unfortunately things like this get out to the internet and get beaten to death as memes by people who never even experienced it in childhood and only knew it as a meme or joke. Plus the people that beat it to death are usually unfunny people in the first place and try to supplement that with memes. It was always annoying AF to hear as a kid, but again, that's mostly cause kids want what they want and are usually pretty entitled to begin with. But yeah it was a thing for literal decades before it was a meme.
The difference in alignment is that in previous versions of macOS those dropdowns were aligned with the edge of the button highlight at the top, which made the text out of alignment. The new menus align the TEXT instead, so the checkbox in that one menu offsets it but the text remains aligned.
I'll miss the older tightly packed, smaller UI elements from our good old friend (mac)OS X. They worked fine on XGA and they're better than anything else at modern resolutions. Too bad Apple jumped on the pixel wasting trend.
Yeah, and while I get why you may want UI like this on windows(tablets, bad mice and trackpads), on macOS it's just wrong and sad, I hope they will remove that space wasting crap...
macOS is dead. It’s truly a shit show these days. Terrible user interface. Terrible user experience. No innovation. The Steve Jobs era of macOS was just a different time entirely. So sad.
I really don't like the push to make it look like iOS. Doesn't really effect me since I'm stuck with Mojave, or else I lose a ton of compatibility for my older apps.
I feel the EXACT same way! Except for the fact that I am still on High Sierra, I feel that the decision to make macOS like iPadOS was a big mistake. They are two distinct systems made for two completely different purposes and interactions!
This push was already started. Have you forgotten the steps. In 2009 there was more stylization. And when moving from cats to landmarks there was again more stylization. Like a mix of current look and iOS. problem is not if they make it look like iOS. Problem is the icons that look like nothing else.
Ryan Zohoury there is no decision to make them like each other. The navigation and layout is very very different. They are only bringing the visual styling a bit closer together. Which. They have done in phases since the last 5-7 years.
Through the first half of this video I was like "meh, this is all personal preference" or nitpicks...but when you showed the alignment in the sound preferences OH GOD I CAN'T UNSEE IT
Yeah but some such distros do give it an effort like elementary OS, I am not a total fan of the OSX aesthetic but elementary is rather nice looking. I also like mints efforts too as while in terms of first looks it looks like windows but it marries some of the best parts of OSX and its design language into it, I am a big fan of the mint Y theme, not overly flat and fairly consistent and sure there are a few app icons that stand out a bit on it it does blend together for the most part, even QT apps blend in well given the right settings.
Around 8:32, you can tell, if you pay attention to it, that some of the icons for navigating Finder are off-center in their boxes when he goes over them.
I think that rounding from corners shows that in the September event a new imac comes with bigger screen and rounded corners probably then it looks way smoother and makes More sense
I guess that's what they're trying to go for? a design that has highlights and shadows to make things pop out from each other (making them easier to discern) but still is otherwise flat?
Yeh pretty much agree with you on all that. I was surprised when I saw the WWDC demos that the icons and general UI just seemed a little off Apple’s usual standard.
I prefer the flat design and rounded corners. It looks cleaner and more modern to me, but there has to be a balance between rounded shapes and straight lines. Rounded corners on dropdown menus are fine but I think where the menu meets the toolbar should be a 90° angle so it looks like it’s attached.
Eh, I always thought GNOME looked pretty Mac-like personally (at least compared to many of the newer, post-Snow Leopard versions). If they refined it a little bit, it would probably work pretty well.
I think one of the biggest problems with the icons is a combination of the excessive shadows (Not to mention inconsistent between different apps), the gradient combined with the large rounded corners, and the lack of a color scheme between the old and new icons, specifically the fact that the gradients in the background of the new icons have a much higher contrast than before. I think that these will be tweaked in upcoming updates to fix some of this.
This reminds me of when Windows 10 was in beta and the default system icons looked like they were clip art. There was a whole meme about the Recycle Bin looking like a kid's drawing...
I’ve seen a few tweets from people who hate this redesign like me but I’m glad to see some UA-camrs with the same views posting content about this as well. Really hope Apple will correct what they have messed up.
I know Apple would never go back after unveiling this, but I hope they make some changes to make it more desktop-like instead of iPad-like. I have to admit that standardizing some of their designs isn’t a bad thing but I don’t like the implementation as a whole.
For the drop-down menu alignment, a good solution would be to make the top-left edge squared. Then the origin point for all the cascading menus would be aligned.
I don't see Apple show any change for Music and TV apps macOS 11 Big Sur. For years Apple has not fixed the EQ of iTunes or Music app to fine-tune the audio of music videos. VLC app has the EQ to fine-tune the audio of music, music videos, and movies.
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Good iconography is consistent, it adheres to rules. These icons are all over the place. Are we going with flat style or are we still doing realistic looking icons? Drop shadows somewhere, gradients elsewhere. Which is which? Make up your mind and stick to it.
Possibly, or it's displaying a screenshot taken on a newer Mac, or maybe he's using the screen sharing app on that iMac to remote into a Mac running Big Sur. The craziest option (and my favourite) would be he hacked that iMac to be an external display, and he's got a Mac mini hidden somewhere connected to that display.
There's no reasoning when it comes to anything about Apple products, they could make the icons poop brown and the keyboard and mouse out of recycled homeless people's shoes and people would still pay thousands to check email and surf the web and carry it proudly.
Apple is one of the few companies that has reasons are style guidelines for apps etc. finally windows and androids have started with similar. Also Apple has clearly always has the best UI languages of all os
@@litjellyfish ...until this abomination. I seriously hope that Apple listens to the critics and fixes the design... especially the iconography. I mean I hate the whole "let's merge macOS with iOS" thing, but come on... they're really dropping the ball here.
Nice video, definitely subbing :) I really like how they are trying to homogenise their various OS’s, but some of the graphics on Big Sur are definitely all over the place and I hope they get that taken care of before launch
Mac lost me at High Sierra -- I'm staying there on main machine. Also, Macbook Air G1 has a new life with Ubuntu and I'm liking it! (power and heat management needs attention and is a pain to manage. Also, forget good battery life.)
@@josecarlosxyz Actually Linux has come a long way in terms of looks....my KDE desktop is near stock and I think it looks better than what I saw in this video.
Your attention to detail is incredible. I would never ever have noticed the buttons in the photo app are different than the ones in activity monitor. Same goes for the rounded corners when you select things in different menu's. I do wholeheartedly agree with your opinion on the FaceTime, iMessage and battery icons.
You do reviews and criticism right. Saying the good, and saying the bad with constructive arguments. I completely agree with: if you have problems, bring the solution. Excellent video
That battery icon literally looks like it’s from one of those crappy “battery saving” apps
Spot on 😁😄
The battery icon looks Apple-like to me, but the color scheme and gradients of the battery icon look...um...bad.
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why did i put that battery saveing app on my dads phone once in like 2015
it's like a spicy pillow
These icons feel like the "realistic" 3D renders of The Simpsons characters.
thats the best way ive seen this described as
True 😂👌🏽
This sums it up pretty nicely xD
that describes it perfectly 😂
Or pacman, or LEGO...that was Horrendous.
The whole “two things touching right on the edge” is actually something my graphic design teachers always told me to avoid - they always would call it “kissing” because they’re just barely brushing each other like a light kiss. And that’s a no-go. Either you go in or go home with the touching.
Did they also teach that excessive bevel and emboss effects looks tacky?
Paul Zach I can recall it being mentioned once or twice, maybe?
I don’t think it’s intentional. I would bet on it getting fixed whether we say anything or not.
Aimee Crawford My graphic design teachers said exactly the same thing, so I am wondering who they hired to design this.
Its propably not fully implemented yet, I think for now it just more of a asset Switch than a real tweaking for the new UI
The battery looks like when your charging a dead 2009 android phone
Actually, 1999.
@@gao_yuan android didn't exist 1999, neither did battery icons on that level of style
@@NonsensicalSpudz cheeel kaarl cheel cheel!
NonsensicalVids thanks smartass
@@NonsensicalSpudz imagine taking everything seriously LMAO
The "100%" being so badly off-center bugs the crap out of me.
It's just gross
It's like they've given fresh-outa-classical-artschool-interns-who-played-around-with-illustrator-for-2hours the responsibility to redesign all of the icons
No joke its bassicly animoji edition of icon or a paint 3d edition
Maybe it's the same guy that made the adobe redesign
And the entire UI also
Apple isn't exactly one to abide by social norms...
In business, youre always told that market research is vital to a businesses success and yet, when steve jobs was asked if he wanted to do it, he replied ''no because our customers don't know what they want until we've shown them."
@@_danu paint 3d looks even better than this
I feel like I’m living in an alternative reality as of late
It's like a bad nightmare
What if we are? What if we’re in some “quantum branch” of reality, where the RNG is cranked up way too high
Turn on the news, and see Brave New World / 1984 instead. Switch over to WWDC, expecting some relief - but get a comic book instead.
ok
This year just gets better and better
This version of macOS feels a bit too cartoony, I always liked the "serious" or professional look old macOS versions had idk its a bit hard to explain
“Cartoony” is a good word for this Os.
Haha, I was calling it childish, like more your cartoony way.
It's windows xp all over again
I think the problem is that it looks too much like iOS. It looks too much like a touch screen interface and we all know how horrible those are to use with a mouse (I'm looking at you windows 8)
Edit: typo
Garage Ghost I agree. I’ve been using macOS as a workstation, and not a “portable” device. I loved that it looked professional and felt that it’s better off as an actual laptop, rather than a mixup between ipad & macbook.
You know they really messed up the icons when even Microsoft has released better icons recently.
The Microsoft icons are iconic, how dare you diss the Windows XP icons
@@illford i don't think you know what he meant... ua-cam.com/video/wYmTkgqbrDM/v-deo.html
@@illford He’s only talking about Windows 11’s icons and nothing else
The new version of MacOS is like the Chinese ripoff of MacOS.
without the engrish
@Rishab Tirupathi The software is not designed in China.
Actually considering that xiaomi and huawei have been stealing from apple's design language for years and they've actually done it pretty well (take MIUI 12 for example which is beautiful) the new version of MacOS looks WORSE than ACTUAL chinese ripoffs of apple. Which is frankly just sad.
Ben Baert Or a crappy version of Linux.
To your surprise (or not?) there is a Chinese linux distro that mimicks MacOS: www.deepin.org/en/ Note the most recent version with redesigned icons actually came out BEFORE Big Sur was even revealed 🤔 So MacOS is copying their Chinese ripoff now?
new apple icon designer : "Ah, yes. Design is my passion. I am a professional WordArt designer, shade is my soul."
Apple is like trying to compete with Microsoft for most inconsistent design title for their OS.
I would never thought that Apple could make something so inconsistent and jarring to look at
Hahahahahhahahaha. Absolutely!
The icons look like a bootleg version of MacOS
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"bootleg version of MacOS"
laughs in Red Star OS
Like they tried to port iOS to the Mac
Yep. When I watched the keynote being showed, I thought even the circle icons are much better than the squircle ones on the desktop machines. The new icons are hilarious about shape and design detail. I still hope Apple will keep the old design of icons or make them just circular.
ItzMichaelPhillips it’s *laughs in Korean*
When the macOS battery icon looks like one from a kid fake phone. Only thing it needs now is a smiley face
Yes! Exactly what I was saying
It gives me Subway Surfers Vibes
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You know, I think that Tim Apple is trying to copy Steve Jobs, cause Steve was the one who did the whole "freindly" interface language, but I guess it works? maybe?
Pod lol I was thinking that
these icons remind me of that meme with the cat, “graphic design is my passion”
Just did a search for that phrase and now I'm crying
knowyourmeme.com/memes/graphic-design-is-my-passion
as an actual designer it brings me joy to see such terribleness captured so perfectly.
in one typography class back in college we would actually submit assignments using comic sans as a joke
As a graphic communications student, I just want to go in and fix the icons as it feels like I’m staring at an unfinished project with tons of placeholders of things that need to be refined and uniform with the rest of the design. There are things in some of the icons that are considered wrong when it comes to designing
the icons and stuff makes it look like a children’s toy, i’ll be keeping Catalina for now
David’s Tech Talk me too unless they keep the icons normal like before
For me, it strongly reminds me of children's toys and that blue Windows XP theme. I'm surprised there aren't more people commenting that.
happysmash27 i would rather use windows xp tbh lol
Well duh, it's a beta version not a final one.
I'm still rocking Mojave to this day
The battery icon looks like a condom.. not digging this new overall look
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I was thinking the nub looked more like a nipple.
HaniiPuppy I burst out laughing reading that comment! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jacobanderson9530 "I noticed the battery icon looks like a condom, could you change that please" -To Apple from the Feedback Assistant
So Big Sir would have been more fitting?
Steve Jobs would already have absolutely slaughtered everybody on this design team. Its one thing to go for a different style, its another to make it imperfect in every detail, very un-Apple.
First. It’s a BETA!
Second. It’s a BETA
It’s not imperfect in every little detail. It’s more that it’s not perfect in some details. That for sure will be fixed before the release.
Stefan Holmqvist even if it’s a beta, Steve and Johny wouldn’t have allowed those icons
@@augustogalindo8687 Its so easy to say that, quite frankly, we dont know.
If Steve Jobs didn’t turn to alternative medicines that costed him real treatment, he would still be alive.
A heatsink without a fan, The fuse is not the fuse. You can't tell me that's un-apple!
Everything about this feels like it should be an April fools joke.
Well they were founded on April Fools, which was April 1st 1977...
Apple really needs a Steve jobs kinda guy. Apple right now does not really feel different then any other company. But that’s my opinion
its june lol
@Smashing That Like Button One would argue the Jony Ive leaving design will take a bit of a dive.
Smashing That Like Button what do you talk about dude? They have release AirPods (which was named the best invention of the decade), Apple Watch, drastically improved their services, lowered the cost of acquisition for almost all products, was the first trillion dollar company, they have invested more in communities than ever before, they are running 100% (and more) on renewable energy, etc. Tim Cook is a great CEO and even Steve would ask him first for advice about every big decision he would take when he was alive and running the company. I truly don’t understand why people say Apple is not the same as before. It is not the same company just because is better actually.
As a graphic designer i almost died from laughing when i saw those app store corners and battery icon 😂😂😂
I was like :
*It's so ugly ...I love it!*
The icons look like the defaults from a Mac knockoff. Hideous.
The battery looks like a cross between Microsoft Word Art and a Chinese knock off of an old iPhone.
Don't drag WordArt down with this. It has class.
I already have nostalgia for the 10.10-10.15 interface and it hasn’t even been phased out yet lol
@Juliano Lyons-Cayson same although I prefer 10.13 to 10.10 interface in 10.14 they made the os fonts more like iOS and iPadOS, which personally hurt non retina macs alot and it's like they were preparing for big sur especially in Catalina although that just my opinion
"big sur" sounds like how you make fun of someone calling someone else fat online, I hope 11.1 is called "bro pls"
Your pf (profile picture)... KDE Plasma gang rise up.
Lol true
I always read it as Big Slur.
@@ambreiaju lol, the exact thing I thought!
Locutus i read it as big slur because its easier
I feel like they could’ve just directly copied iOS icons
Yeah.
The whole os seems less advanced and less professional.
Beto Beats Thanks India.
Exactly thank you
I knew iOS' encroachment into macOS would forever ruin it.
Me: Mom can we have battery icon?
Mom: No we have battery icon at home
Battery icon at home:
relatable 😂
But it IS a battery icon...
"hey I'm pickle battery icon"
Funniest shit l’ve ever seen
Why is it ugly? Because Jonathan Ive is not there anymore.
8:34 Oh my god, those icons AREN'T Even properly centered!
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This probably hit me harder than anything else in the video tbh
and they aren't the same width either...
I see I wasn't the only one to notice that.
These icons look like they were made by a rip-off company lmao
Franz Sarmiento Oh you mean India Inc outsourcing companies.
Amazing how people constantly need to “fix” things that aren’t broken. Humanity’s biggest flaw.
John Taylor Thanks India Inc. They also take over code written by others, paste their names in the source files, then claim they wrote it. These people have no design sense.
This is what happens when Jonny Ives leaves
Jony made some dumb design choices in the past, but at least he was consistent.
Filip Novković didn’t he work on Yosemite and beyond?
@@novkoviix I was thinking about how you're supposed to charge the Magic Mouse, but yeah, you're right.
I don't really care about how it looks, the name is just so weird.
"What OS do you use?"
"Big Sur"
"??"
Yeah. I am more of a Linux kind of guy, but Apple's naming scheme is usually pretty neat even though some could argue at times bit cheesy. *cough* *cough* Genius *cough*.
But that name is straight out of some github repo to somekind of exploit tool to vulnerability.
I love using Big Sur! :') I really can't take it seriously that much
It’s so funny I laugh everytime I hear it, I love it♥️
BEEG SIR
Is anyone here aware Big Sur is an actual place? It isn't ridiculous at all. Mountain lion (lives in mountains), Maverick (lives in mountains), Yosemite (mostly mountains), El Capitan (a mountain), Sierra/High Sierra (more mountains), Mojave (in Cali, has mountains), Catalina (same deal as Mojave) and now Big Sur which is a strip of California coast with, you guessed it, mountains. All of it has to do with mountains. How are mountains ridiculous?
The new window title looks like GNOME design coming to macOS
That's the first thing that came to mind as well. I personally don't mind GNOME's CSD, but it just seems unnecessarily thick. :/
What is gnome
Prince Saiyon第7火影 linux thingy
@@Fraudjaku Is Google broken?
deadmoose I’m okay with the title bar but icons really bug me
"Two things are touching that are not supposed to be touching..." - best line ever!
They should create a "classic" mode where macOS10 look and feel can be chosen instead of the new design. Would make everyone happy :)
that's probably what ppl wanted with iOS 7
You are great person
Same here with iOS imagine going from flat clean icons to iOS 6
Yesss, because now I’m not going to update this freakin’ os
that would add like 2 gb extra to the update which is huge especially if you dont use it
It's like they're trying to take the Windows XP icons but with a modern take on them...
Windows XP
Same thought
You would know, right?
The absence of Jony Ive is really feeling with macOS 11
Trying to do a complete redesign without Jony is, IMO, what has caused these problems
That seems to be the case, huh.
But not having him around also removed Apple of any restrictions to abide by aesthetics.
After he was gone, we had seen major overhaul to hardware. I honestly think it's not a coincidence because he's not responsible for just software design.
I don’t know. Ivy was responsible for Yosemite, the ugliest macOS of all time. Bring back Scott Forstall. Yeah, that will never happen.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony IMO Yosemite is the best macOS redesign, from ugly skeuomorphism to flat design
pnnytx I think it’s alright but nothing special. I live skeuomorphism and would’ve preferred that look over the 10.11 redesign for sure.
10.15 looks really nice imo though, just hope they can get that consistency again when 11 actually releases.
just take me back to Snow Leopard. So stable and so good looking.
is snow leopard like the windows 7 of mac
a single french fry Yes lol some people can’t let go of the stainless steel and wood grain
dang snow leopard was a very good release so smooth and stable and even ran my mid 2010 macbook pro as cool as ice! even today without a thermal paste replace!
And me osx tiger. Pretty old school, but I loved it
Yes, I wish there was a setting in MacOS to set the preferred UI style (for those of us who prefer the early days of the Aqua interface and whatnot).
Why still use a hard drive for Macintosh icon instead of SSD? Considering all macs use SSD nowadays
bro i have a 2010 imac pro and a 2009 macbook cus apple is too expensive but for some reason i have like a $1k gaming setup with a op pc but apple is way more expensive than my op gaming setup so if im not on my pc ill use my 2009 macbook or 2010 imac pro that has a mechanical hard drive lel 🙃 and i am messaging on my pc so i is forced to use low quality emojis that look like the new battery icon in mac os big sur
Same reason the save button is a floppy disk icon~
Because we know what harddrives look like, SSDs on the other hand are either a smooth rectangle or a chip.
I appreciate that you focused a lot on the inconsistencies rather than just complaining about what you didn't like.
The notification Bell in System Preferences is absolutely hideous.
Edit: Yes, you mentioned the same thought I had about the bell.
Some things look like a really bad Linux skin.
If you use OS 11 in Light mode then look at the forward and back arrows in System Preferences, they look like they blend in, they're missing the rectangle box around the buttons.
@Deon Denis Better keep using Linux... You probably also prefer Android...
Your profile picture looks like the battery icon, maybe better than MAC OS big sur.
@@ambreiaju it's from IOS5 lol
this happens when the chief design forget to leave a note before leaving the company.. 😂😂😂
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I honestly thought the UI on Catalina was just fine. There were still some old "glossy" skeumorphic style icons but overall the style was still clean and up to snuff with modern design sensibilities. It was a pretty nice mix of the two and it looked neat. It really didn't need to be overhauled this hard and especially not with those icons
macOS Product Manager: So how many Photoshop Layer Style effects do you want to use?
macOS Lead UI Designer: Yes.
10:00
"I want to know what you think about Mac OS, Big Sir"
Well thank you😂
Windows user: *insert James Francos "First time?" meme*
Lol this comment underrated
Welcome to macOS 11: Big Brain
You have macOS 11 Big Brain Edition and you have macOS 11 Small brain edition
Apple: It's battery time !
macOS 11 Honda Civic. The same engine, ugly custom body kit.
As is the words of Sam Tucker, macOS Mcdonalds
So after trying to avoid it for years, they managed to have a Windows Vista (Catalina) AND a Windows 8 (Big Sur) release back to back...
What's wrong with Catalina? And Big Sur hasn't even been released yet AND is still in development, calm down.
outernet Catalina is so buggy. My favourite bug is the one where my laptop display doesn’t turn on after going to sleep (backlight on but black screen) and i have to do a hard reset, losing unsaved work. Adobe apps also didn’t work on release, a small Catalina update broke a daemon causing my CPU to spike to constant 75% usage, random massive log files in the system directory bring dropped for no reason, etc.
Shit makes me almost want to go back to windows. Almost
Gabe Newell What system are you running it on? Catalina has run flawlessly for me
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou what Gabe said and the fact they killed 32 bit app support.
Gabe Newell Catalina isnt bad at all. You’re just cynical. Ive been running it with minimum problems on my 5k iMac.
Kid: Mom, can we have Linus Tech Tips at home
Mom: Son, we have Linus at home
Linus at home:
Ok
What’s up with these “we have X at home” meme thing? Looks like unintuitive.
@@ChenLiYong a lot of people grew up with their parents saying that to them as kids. The simplest things like "Mom can we go to (insert kid's favorite fast food place)?" Mom: "No! We have (the name of the fast food place) at home!". The stuff at home is nothing like the place (even though fast food is trash anyways) and the kid is disappointed because kids want exactly what they want. TBH it's probably much more prevalent of a saying in American culture. Shit i know it from experiencing it in childhood myself. Unfortunately things like this get out to the internet and get beaten to death as memes by people who never even experienced it in childhood and only knew it as a meme or joke. Plus the people that beat it to death are usually unfunny people in the first place and try to supplement that with memes. It was always annoying AF to hear as a kid, but again, that's mostly cause kids want what they want and are usually pretty entitled to begin with. But yeah it was a thing for literal decades before it was a meme.
I’m not sure this makes any sense. 🤷🏻♂️
The difference in alignment is that in previous versions of macOS those dropdowns were aligned with the edge of the button highlight at the top, which made the text out of alignment. The new menus align the TEXT instead, so the checkbox in that one menu offsets it but the text remains aligned.
I'll miss the older tightly packed, smaller UI elements from our good old friend (mac)OS X. They worked fine on XGA and they're better than anything else at modern resolutions. Too bad Apple jumped on the pixel wasting trend.
OS X looks better than macOS 11. macOS 11 looks like it should be iPadOS.
Totally agree but I think that somewhere around how Catalina was already great but Big Sur is way too much!
Yeah, and while I get why you may want UI like this on windows(tablets, bad mice and trackpads), on macOS it's just wrong and sad, I hope they will remove that space wasting crap...
@@OscatA Because it probably is at the core, it makes sense that their starting point would have been iOS since they are building for ARM.
macOS is dead. It’s truly a shit show these days. Terrible user interface. Terrible user experience. No innovation. The Steve Jobs era of macOS was just a different time entirely. So sad.
Battery icon is now reminiscent of the shape of baby feeding bottle.
I really don't like the push to make it look like iOS. Doesn't really effect me since I'm stuck with Mojave, or else I lose a ton of compatibility for my older apps.
I feel the EXACT same way! Except for the fact that I am still on High Sierra, I feel that the decision to make macOS like iPadOS was a big mistake. They are two distinct systems made for two completely different purposes and interactions!
Ryan Zohoury nah it made perfect sense and I’m glad they made the change. I just wish they didn’t go so skeuomorphic with the icons 😑
This push was already started. Have you forgotten the steps. In 2009 there was more stylization. And when moving from cats to landmarks there was again more stylization. Like a mix of current look and iOS.
problem is not if they make it look like iOS. Problem is the icons that look like nothing else.
Ryan Zohoury there is no decision to make them like each other. The navigation and layout is very very different. They are only bringing the visual styling a bit closer together. Which. They have done in phases since the last 5-7 years.
chidorirasenganz yes. Why. All will be fine if they just fix those icons.
Through the first half of this video I was like "meh, this is all personal preference" or nitpicks...but when you showed the alignment in the sound preferences
OH GOD I CAN'T UNSEE IT
...this reminds me of Android phones from the days gingerbread was still considered a fresh release of Android...
Now it's looks more like Linux "MacOS copy" distro than real Mac OS
Heh, even copied themes on Linux or elementarOS base design is more consistent than what Apple did here
Yeah but some such distros do give it an effort like elementary OS, I am not a total fan of the OSX aesthetic but elementary is rather nice looking.
I also like mints efforts too as while in terms of first looks it looks like windows but it marries some of the best parts of OSX and its design language into it, I am a big fan of the mint Y theme, not overly flat and fairly consistent and sure there are a few app icons that stand out a bit on it it does blend together for the most part, even QT apps blend in well given the right settings.
That's an insult to Linux lol
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Jacob Anderson you’ve literally spammed this reply on like every comment do you not have anything else to say?
They look like an art student trying too hard to practice shading
The new shading on icons is just bad. Unbalanced and it feels like a step backwards to what it was 5y ago. But worst.
Not 5 years. It's like 10+ years back
Around 8:32, you can tell, if you pay attention to it, that some of the icons for navigating Finder are off-center in their boxes when he goes over them.
The main problem with the battery icon is that the 100% is at the wrong position. This makes it feel weird.
There's no way that's the real battery icon... It looks like a joke from 2007...
The battery icon looks like something you get from a free icon pack.
It does.
Or Android Gingerbread.
Don’t insult free icon packs. 😢
the pro feel of developer is missing from big sur, it feels kinda childish.
I think that rounding from corners shows that in the September event a new imac comes with bigger screen and rounded corners probably then it looks way smoother and makes More sense
The icon of the internal SSD is still represented by an image of a 5.25″ hard drive?
And the save icon is still represented with a floppy?
macOS Big Sur sounds like an out of place name for macOS
The battery looks very "Fisher-Price". Overall those icons has a Windows XP feel to them.
I guess that's what they're trying to go for?
a design that has highlights and shadows to make things pop out from each other (making them easier to discern) but still is otherwise flat?
It does.
That's actually fine if they'd do it consistently across the whole system.
But apparently they have issues even being consistent within the same icon.
I’m glad I’m not the only one, it looks like a slightly ugly jailbreak tweak...
Yeh pretty much agree with you on all that. I was surprised when I saw the WWDC demos that the icons and general UI just seemed a little off Apple’s usual standard.
I prefer the flat design and rounded corners. It looks cleaner and more modern to me, but there has to be a balance between rounded shapes and straight lines. Rounded corners on dropdown menus are fine but I think where the menu meets the toolbar should be a 90° angle so it looks like it’s attached.
I think Mac OS Big Sur has made Mac OS look cheap overall. I don’t like it.
Cheap? Look how the transparency effect makes it look better!
@@arizonan1 Something that was already available in Vista or in older Mac OS X versions.
They're making it look like Gnome 3.
Come on Gnome 3 is pretty nice now. They fixed most of the mess
come on gnome 3 theme looks better than this cartoony mess
It is what I'm thinking. However, Gnome3 looks much better with this kind of design, Mac does it wrong.
@@arthemis1039 It still feels like it was made for tablets instead of desktops and laptops.
Clearly they didn't want to put this on iOS this year. The press could've gone crazy!
The huge titlebars look like the GNOME/GTK titlebars on some Linux distros, which I find very odd and out of place for a Mac.
They are GTK probably. Wouldn't be surprised.
Eh, I always thought GNOME looked pretty Mac-like personally (at least compared to many of the newer, post-Snow Leopard versions). If they refined it a little bit, it would probably work pretty well.
I think one of the biggest problems with the icons is a combination of the excessive shadows (Not to mention inconsistent between different apps), the gradient combined with the large rounded corners, and the lack of a color scheme between the old and new icons, specifically the fact that the gradients in the background of the new icons have a much higher contrast than before. I think that these will be tweaked in upcoming updates to fix some of this.
The battery graphic reminds me of when I was learning to create web graphics in the early 2000s.
This reminds me of when Windows 10 was in beta and the default system icons looked like they were clip art. There was a whole meme about the Recycle Bin looking like a kid's drawing...
I’ve seen a few tweets from people who hate this redesign like me but I’m glad to see some UA-camrs with the same views posting content about this as well. Really hope Apple will correct what they have messed up.
Nah they'll probably double down and refuse to listen to people.
I know Apple would never go back after unveiling this, but I hope they make some changes to make it more desktop-like instead of iPad-like. I have to admit that standardizing some of their designs isn’t a bad thing but I don’t like the implementation as a whole.
For the drop-down menu alignment, a good solution would be to make the top-left edge squared. Then the origin point for all the cascading menus would be aligned.
I don't see Apple show any change for Music and TV apps macOS 11 Big Sur. For years Apple has not fixed the EQ of iTunes or Music app to fine-tune the audio of music videos. VLC app has the EQ to fine-tune the audio of music, music videos, and movies.
I won’t lie, I’m a serious Apple fan, but I couldn’t stop laughing. Your delivery is top class - thanks for another great video.
Me: mom can we have MacOS?
Mom: No we have MacOS at home
MacOS at home: ...
This format needs to die, much like a battery.
Well I wanna recharge it now
Anyone could explain this for me? Quite confusing...
@@litflowww_channel3974 Same here.
Im tired of this joke, it isnt funny
Apple changes the market...
*and with this new design I'm scared of that.*
This is why I use Linux
oof, same here.
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Can we all have a moment of silence for the death of OSX? Gone, but not forgotten.
This icon style is so 2008, back when the aqua effect was trending and a lot of people didn’t know how to make it.
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Hey, you know for most apps to change the icon you can go into the app itself and change out the image called favicon.icns usually
Ken.. what we are seeing is fusion of tablet and desktop os’s. We might see a tablet like design in future macbooks.
Rounding corners? More like cutting corners.
How in the actual hell did you get macOS Big Sur running on your 2006 iMac?!
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i think thats just the background
jonald puke You can see the new notifications tray
I'm pretty sure it's just a screenshot
@@Cobalt985 ohhh I see now. Must be my horrible eyesight lol
That iMac G5 in the background... Is it just displaying a picture of Big Sur or did it get it's guts replaced, monitor mod, or something else?
Good iconography is consistent, it adheres to rules. These icons are all over the place. Are we going with flat style or are we still doing realistic looking icons? Drop shadows somewhere, gradients elsewhere. Which is which? Make up your mind and stick to it.
macOS: looks good
Skeuomorphism: Allow me to reintroduce myself
Skeuomorphism never actually used to be the problem, right? The previous Mac app icons were cool
Steven John flat is better.
Steven John many was horrible and really messy.
Steven John I was born after iOS 7 so I couldn’t tell you a definitive answer
Neumorphism. A shitty attempt to blend the old with the new. God I hate this UI.
Can we just acknowledge that the core two duo iMac in the background is running macOS 11?
Possibly, or it's displaying a screenshot taken on a newer Mac, or maybe he's using the screen sharing app on that iMac to remote into a Mac running Big Sur. The craziest option (and my favourite) would be he hacked that iMac to be an external display, and he's got a Mac mini hidden somewhere connected to that display.
@@slimSharo Except for the 5K retina iMacs. Really a shame since it's such a great display.
There's no reasoning when it comes to anything about Apple products, they could make the icons poop brown and the keyboard and mouse out of recycled homeless people's shoes and people would still pay thousands to check email and surf the web and carry it proudly.
Not every user is like that, but I do understand what kind of people you’re talking about
@Cyro1 "people" doesn't mean "everyone." Who hurt you? Why are you so sour?
Apple is one of the few companies that has reasons are style guidelines for apps etc. finally windows and androids have started with similar.
Also Apple has clearly always has the best UI languages of all os
@@litjellyfish ...until this abomination. I seriously hope that Apple listens to the critics and fixes the design... especially the iconography. I mean I hate the whole "let's merge macOS with iOS" thing, but come on... they're really dropping the ball here.
As a graphic design student, can’t agree more with the way you explained it. It’s an awkward mix between skeuomorphic 3D design and flat design.
Nice video, definitely subbing :) I really like how they are trying to homogenise their various OS’s, but some of the graphics on Big Sur are definitely all over the place and I hope they get that taken care of before launch
Thank you : )
it just looks so cheap overall. even the icons...
Lmao, this is like iOS 7 all over again. Everyone hated it. Looks flipping stunning to me
New style for icons in a nutshell: Flat icons but a cloned by a animoji
Mac lost me at High Sierra -- I'm staying there on main machine. Also, Macbook Air G1 has a new life with Ubuntu and I'm liking it! (power and heat management needs attention and is a pain to manage. Also, forget good battery life.)
Yes Linux drivers for Mac can be a pain
Linux you got to be kidding
@@josecarlosxyz
Actually Linux has come a long way in terms of looks....my KDE desktop is near stock and I think it looks better than what I saw in this video.
Your attention to detail is incredible. I would never ever have noticed the buttons in the photo app are different than the ones in activity monitor. Same goes for the rounded corners when you select things in different menu's.
I do wholeheartedly agree with your opinion on the FaceTime, iMessage and battery icons.
You do reviews and criticism right. Saying the good, and saying the bad with constructive arguments.
I completely agree with: if you have problems, bring the solution.
Excellent video