Okay lemme explain: Yes this is how Dragon Quest has always been...and it's a huge part of why it struggled in the US. First person battles are boring because you don't get to SEE your character fight. 8, 9, and 11 are HUGE upgrades because of the visible characters and when DQ3HD was announced and we saw that screenshot of the back-views of the characters we thought "FINALLY! My biggest complaint with this game has been fixed!" so to see it switch to first person was REALLY disappointing. ESPECIALLY in a game with a custom party. I love create-a-party RPGs. They're my favorite kind of RPG. DQ 3 and 9 are literally the only entries in the mainline series I enjoy. But unfortunately, most make-a-party RPGs don't let you SEE the character you make. There are also those out there who do not like make-a-party RPGs and not seeing your characters in combat makes it even harder for them to feel an attachment to the characters. The attacks do not need to be long or elaborate, simply a sword swing. It adds a LOT to the game. Even when I'm fast forwarding through, I'd like to see my bunny girl slap a monster in the face. It really REALLY adds a lot to the game. If nothing else it makes it more clear who is attacking and makes the characters more than a faceless bundle of stats. It LITERALLY adds character. It's not a deal breaker for me, but it is a crippling disappointment as yes, the lack of on-screen characters really was my biggest complaint with the original Dragon Quest games. Existing DQ fans obviously won't be bothered, but the newcomers will be.
Facts. I feel the exact same way. ESPECIALLY after they showed us those early trailers with the characters in combat. Oh well. I didnt vibe with Eiyuden chronicles but Dragon Quest is always great some imma be here for it
This. Don't get me wrong. I will be buying the game. But I found out about the first person camera today, and I am sorely disappointed. It's been an issue for me with classic DQ games since forever. I love those games, but when I saw the first trailer for DQ3HD2D, I was so happy to see actual character animations. Now I feel sleighted.
@@Omnibus4Everyone The first trailer had already the camera switch to first person view when performing the actions, it was already only third person when selecting the action, before starting the turn.
Because they would have to animate all the armors and weapons to match two or three animations for each class and both genders. Or, they can give us this and hope we'd be cool with it since the originals were in first person during combat. 3 animations *40 or so armors*10 classes*2 genders. 2400 animations if they try and cram all the possible movements into just three animations. Or, cut the possible animations and return to first person so the battle animations for the monsters and attacks can have that familiar feel
@@counterspellband I'm not saying that it's an "issue". Just that I evolved, particularly during from dq8 onward, and on dqm games on DS, IX and so on. Just because it was done one way in the past, means I cannot have a preference for a remake? Also, I have been playing this franchise since its inception. Please keep your assumptions to yourself. Thank you very much
Came to this video thinking "Oh god, they're not doing a physical release." Was SHOCKED to hear the actual reason, good lord classic DQ has always been this way!
@@GenesisVIIIm a diehard DQ fan and its a non-issue for me. I would absolutely prefer 3d battles but it will have no impact on me purchasing the game.
@@GELTONZstruggled. 😂 man this has to be a joke. No way is this an actual comment. 88 million units sold $5 billion in sales and these figures are from 2018 and there have been 5? 6? Games released since then… Not saying I prefer the OLD ARCHAIC view for combat, but it was never an issue and was much preferred over the cheesy FF left and right thing. Dragon Quest is to JRPGs what Call of Duty is for angry white kids who fap to War Porn. Pretty sure that view had zero impact on the series. However, I am open minded so if you have some old sources about this, feel free to let me know.
@@mitch20003 unfortunately random battles is a staple in old rpgs and doing a non random battle format would demand an overhaul of the way encounters work (which would make us have to wait even more for the release)
Which was third person when selecting your move in the menu, and first person view when performing the actual action like they announced.... so your point ?
@@thomaslandcaster9638 No the point of this comment was that supposedly the first trailer was all third person, when it was not and was already showing switch between both point of view.
"faithful" is an excuse companies use to be lazy. Games had LIMITATIONS back then because of hardware,etc.. but have ZERO reason to be the same now! Games evolved and so should remakes. If you call them remaster that is fine cause people can expect to play the same game again with minor upgrades but this is clearly just a polished version of the same game NOT a remake!
It's a dealbreaker, I want me sprite in action. It isn't about making the feel of the original anymore, It's about updating the original in modern gaming era. You can probably make a first person one and a 3rd person one. But the best one is always the 3rd person, because it can show and express the character you are playing as. This isn't FPS, it is an RPG. Why only update the background and setting but not update on how you see your character battle? Also you are re-releasing an older game, you have to cater to newer audience who probably played the newer titles and who plays Final Fantasy in which all these years you can see your sprite.
And that's the problem. It's 2024 live with the times people. We are not limited in technology and can pretty much add more features to the game. Is it really too much to ask for a 3rd person battle mode? The consumer and fan base would go through the roof.
I'm a huge JRPG fan, I've been playing them my entire life (I'm 26), but just played my first DQ game this year with DQ11, I didn't even know DQIII was getting a remake until a few months ago, and at first I was super hyped, but the camera is a deal breaker for me, some people would say that my opinion doesn't matter bc I'm not a DQ fan, but at the end, what it matters is how well the game sells, so we'll have to wait, hopefully it sells well enough. I do enjoy to watch my party doing their animations in combat and lucky for all of us this year is full with JRPGs, so bc of that I'm gonna wait for a big discount on this game, I completed Like a dragon IW in may, Just finished DQ11 a couple of months ago and now I'm completing SMT V:V to 100%, haven't played P3R yet, and Metaphor is near to be released along side to Romancing Saga 2 remake, so I'll just wait when until it gets a big discount bc the camera really put me off. I just want to make clear I dont think this camera makes the game bad, but it definetly reduce my personal enjoyment of the game.
The game will sell regardless, this is DQ it's like the biggest cultural phenomena over in Japan, Japaneses alone will buy millions of copy, and they do like to have the DQ stick to their tradition and they are the main audience for this serie, so the sells aren't a concerned at least.
@@Misa_Susaki The thing is I just can't, I tried DQ11 in 2D, and couldn't play a run like that bc the combat. I've tried many times to play SMT IV and the same deal, I just don't feel comfortable with first person camera in turn-based games. I might give this game a try but when at least I can get it with a 70% off sale.
I didn't care for the first person view back in the NES era, and I still don't care for it, but it's not a deal breaker. I'll still be buying this, and the rest of you should as well. Buying these remasters sends the message that we want these classic games brought into the modern space. All the people who want their favourite classic games ported or remade, this is the way to get it. Show interest. Don't just shit on the stuff they're trying to do just because they didn't do it the way you wanted it done.
however yes i get what you are saying .we do need more remakes made in this style. final fantasy 6 if they think a full on remake would not be worth it they should do the game in this style at the very lest in my opinion. did you know that dragon quest 1 and 2 are due out sometime next year in this style.
Nah better to not buy and when Square ask for the reason we can tell them why. It's not that we don't want these classic, we do but wants it done right for most people. Can't they just implement a 1st/3rd person battle options? I'm sure it's not really hard to do. Yes I know the original game is first person battle, but come on it's 2024.
@@thomaslandcaster9638 Square won't ask why, they will just cancel projects, or just not release them worldwide. DQ will sell very well in Japan, so if this doesn't sell in Europe or North America, next time they just won't bother localising.
Personally speaking, "quality of life" improvements seem more like crutches. The gbc version had enough additions but no crutches. That will remain my preferred version. As for the remake, it isn't necessary to play every game ever made as not all games will appeal every persons taste. The important question is how will the remake do in the dragon quest homeland.
People have always been like this about Dragon Quest. Many people refused to play them/thought they were boring until DQVIII. It's kind of sad, because they're great games, and the animations in this game and the DS remakes look GREAT. You have fully animated beautiful monster sprites, come on! I think they would get used to them if they gave them a shot. I'm pretty sure the only remake that added third person battling was VII. So it's clearly a deliberate choice to keep the first person in a remake of Japan's FAVOURITE Dragon Quest.
That's not a dealbreaker for me, but I totally get where people are coming from. There's a limit to how retro some people are willing to go. The last jrpg I can think of that had a first person combat system was etrian odyssey or smt4 I think. Those games also have a barrier to entry that some people can't get over. Seeing the cool attacks being pulled off is an appeal to a lot of people.
Not engaging is not the right word , not seeing character move and fight is a waist , in old days when you play every new game you enjoy seeing your characters move it make them feel alive and when. You fight a final boss or a hard boss it feels soo good when you see your hero strike him down with the final hit from your sword, I under stand this game is meant to be like the old games as much as possible but this make new fans like me just go away , because they CAN GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO MAKE IT FIRST PERSON VIEW OR NOT
I'm not going to play it because the people behind it are racist. I've played DQ3 many times in my childhood and I've ccme back to it over the years, and not once in my life did I EVER have any inkling in my imagination that the trolls look like black people. Now they've deeply disrespected Akira Toriyama after his death by implying that he's a racist and by removing the trolls lips because his artwork was supposedly based on black people. I find that TRAUMATIC. Only a racist could see the trolls as black people. It ruined the whole game for me. I'll never look at the trolls the same again without feeling negative thoughts about the racist people who worked on this HD-2D Remake. This game is sadness.
I haven't even seen these redesigns for them or other monsters, but while I only beat the latest mobile port for the game that came out on Switch a few years back I'm of the same opinion on them and other monster or human designs they might do. I never once thought anything was inappropriate. Trolls are supposed to be terrifying and ugly creatures in mth lore. They eat people that cross bridges and small children. Akira Toriyama probably thought that was the best way to represent that at the time, and I don't really think it should be changed because this line of thinking would also mean they'd need to edit every episode of the original Dragon Ball too as people with big lips or other similar features were shown a lot. It's a drawing style...
This definitely makes me scratch my head, but probably only cuz I'm a hardcore old school DQ fan, had the NES game when I was too young to figure out everything, fell in love when I found the gameboy versions, been a fan ever since. I never hated the first person battles, and I get that modern tastes change, I'm just happy to have these games coming out in a modern coat of paint, since this was literally my childhood.
i like seeing my characters i actually dont play any first person games unless its a shooter but every one is different i love dragon quest i just pray 3rd person
I think having first person view again is kinda sweet i do think dungeon crawlers are being forgotten over the years etrian odyssey being the only best modern adaptation to a classic dungeon crawlers i feel like this are so underapreciated DQ3 is an amazing game i wish people give it a chance it has lots of wonderful world building and amazing npc and personality
You also do have rare titles like Stranger of Sword City and Undernauts too, but usually games are now like Darkest Dungeon or a full 3d experience if they're recently made RPGs.
I don't like first person battle rpg and have always avoided these type of games. With the new remake they could have added both a first and third person mode for people to choose from. The new remake looking this gorgeous is pretty much a waste to me. This is the only reason why I stayed away from dragon quest 1-7. To me first person rpg just seems boring. I want to see the character in action not just pick a move and view it in first person. Hopefully they will release a dlc or some update to add a 3rd person mode. This is just my opinion, it's harsh but only fair that everyone gets to put in their 2 cents. If Square offers a 3rd person Mode I'll most likely buy it. Still even though I'm not a fan of 1st person Battle rpg I'm glad that they did remake the game for those who did enjoy this series in it's original form. Hope the people who's been waiting all this time for a remake enjoys it.
Yeah, I think that's a pretty crazy reason to be a " Deal breaker" I probably would have never noticed, but since you mentioned it it would be cool, maybe they will patch it in later. I'm still hyped!
I never paid any mind to the battle views. The real deal breaker is Square not prioritizing their investors and clients and opting for the woke consultancy firm's side instead.
Hardcore Dragon Quest fans would have thrown a fit if they took out the First Person Battles. I think I would have just felt weird about it, it's not a new Dragon Quest game, it's a remake. I feel like Remakes should try to feel like they are representing the original game, not just story. Still, you know, a compromise would probably have been sweeping camera work animations that transfer from 3rd to first person. Sure they have that a little now, but I am talking bigger and different depending on attacks. That said, I feel like most point people would put it back to first person anyways just to be able to speed through some of those encounters.
Interesting take, especially with being able to speed through battles. I've played pretty much all the titles even when it was Dragon Warrior back in the day, so I would consider myself a hardcore DQ fan. But I'm one of the fans who actually prefers 3rd person battles and seeing the characters attack. Representing the original game is important, but we're too modern to not have a little modern touch such as 3rd person. But still, your comment is valid.
Honestly the only thing i find stange is why have the menu for your units before the battles starts if they dissapear and goes into first person it sort of seems like wasted potential imo but i will still be buying the game.
They changed graphics from pixelart to this late ps1 era something but battles in first person because "it's how the original was" Oh yes, you have to make battle character animations in third person.
@@frametrap6715 It's not unique to DQ tough old western RPG like Wizardry were first person to, and on JRPG the OG Phantasy Stars and the MegaTen were also first person (MegaTen even keep it for their DS games like SMT4), FFI was truly the first JRPG that took that Third Person point of view.
The idea seems to be to keep that same nostalgic feel that the old versions had. Octopath and Triangle were new IPs with no preconceived expectations. And Live-A-Live never came out of Japan before so that needed a fresh coat of paint to get a new audience interested. Dragon Quest on the other hand is legendary and Square-Enix found that middle ground to keep both old and new fans of these classics interested all over the world.
I like the first person view. I feel like "I " or "we" are fighting rather than "my characters" are fighting. I feel like i stand eye to eye with the monsters which add to the feeling of immersion. That is part of why I love phantasy star 1 and 4. But maybe adding a short sequence of the character attacking right now whilst the others are hidden, like in phantasy star 4 would be a good compromise. I am curious about other first person jrpgs like 7th Saga because i like this view. Especially if the monsters are a bit scary (sometimes Dragon Quest is a little bit too cute, I want to feel a little bit like what I am fighting is actually dangerous, especially if it's a hard fight ). Another point: If all turnbased jrpgs would be seen from the side i would feel like we only had different versions of Final Fantasy. Like, all other sub-genres from the genre would be erased from history and we would get a streamlined experience that is always almost the same. I am loooking forward to this game.
I played all the Originals. So I appreciate the producers kept it the way it is. If new gens doesn't want to play just because of that it's their loss. DQ's Roto (Endrick) trilogy has been remade before and it ALWAYS sell. Because it's the best DQs and have legendary status. Plus the game look more beautiful than ever before. In fact, I'm more excited by the Trilogy remake than new DQ releasing next year.
People who complain maybe, just maybe, don’t understand how exhausting grinding and leveling up can be in these games. At some point, all the fancy animations become more of a nuisance than anything else, where you press A like crazy. Dragon Quest has always been like this. I love the option that now you can speed up the combat. I noticed that spells affecting a group of enemies will show the damage to all of them at once, instead of the old one-by-one impact. That’s a huge improvement compared to older games in the franchise. To me, this is not a problem at all; in fact, now you can see your characters preparing for battle. It's just a moment, but they are actually there, unlike in previous games where you jumped from the map to the combat in first person in a second.
Whatever people say this is fully Square's fault, they SHOULD have added both modes. End of Story. First person and 3D and let people switch to whatever they prefer. Saying the game was like that in the original is not an excuse.
Seeing the people battle like in DQ11 would be nice, but there is a difference. That isn’t a dealbreaker for me for DQ3 (it is for DQ1 because that feels like the only thing they could add in DQ1 to not be like the other DQ1 Switch game and wouldn’t totally change the story). DQ2, this isn’t a dealbreaker either, but I hope they make some changes to 2. Because why I would by DQ 1+2 if it is just the same thing as the other Switch version of 1 and 2? For 3, my dealbreaker is this… they need to have the same amount of content as they did in the GBC version (with improved methods of obtaining monster medals, not make it so time-consuming) and possibly add more. I absolutely despise the earlier Switch version of 3, as they took out content (they didn’t need to).
I've been playing the series since the NES when my older brother had to be there to make sure i save and quit correctly, the first person is a staple for the older games so i have no problem w/ it but understand people that don't like it. Only up through DQ7 were the battles done in first person and the shift was after that which looked amazing in DQ8 but it makes sense in this one to keep the old style i think.
Even for the combat it's no big deal really, that's a traditionnal turn base RPG, the gameplay is stat base and menu base so weither it first person or third person view don't impact the core mechanic at all.
I love Dragon Quest. The view point during battle doesn't bother me at all and i think this game looks stellar. Its one of those issues that never made too much sense to me. Maybe its comparable to how a book is presented and the tense used. I wonder if there are people that just won't read a book if its written in the first person? I've never been one to care exactly how the medium is presented to me if the art presented is of a good quality. This game looks like it has the essencse of Dragon Quest III nailed perfectly so im there.
Nobody's gonna talk about the gender omissions? Quote from first Google search result: In earlier iterations, the protagonist could be either male or female, though the gameplay experience remained largely unchanged... However, the HD-2D remake introduces a 'modern audience' twist: the replacement of traditional gender options with "Type A" and "Type B" selections.
Maybe they want to be faithful to the original. Myself having never played any of the early entries am excited to be able to go thru these games with the updated look.
I don't mind. seriously though, I got hooked up to the series because of the DS version of DQIV. I finished the DS versions of DQIV, V, VI and the PS2 version of VIII
I've played DQ 1 - 7 (and enjoyed them) even when some of the games were referred to as Dragon Warrior. Played DQ8 on ps2 and played DQ9 on the DS. Played DQ 11 and also have DQ7 and 8 on the 3ds. Because of the more recent games, I need to see the characters attack in battle. Adding that 3rd person view in DQ7 for 3DS made it that much better in my opinion. Like others have said, why not allow players to toggle 1st person or 3rd person for battles. As a hardcore JRPG player, being able to see the characters in action makes battles more fun in my opinion. This remake looks nice even if the graphics aren't completely overhauled on the scale as let's say Trials of Mana (Seiken Densetsu), but yea no 3rd person view is a miss. I'm sure the game will be fun but I would expect just a bit more from a game not from an indie company. To those who buy this, please enjoy the game!
So imma keep it 💯. I was definitely one of those ppl this was a deal breaker for. Im a huge fan of sprite-based rpgs and that 2D HD ecstatic, but have never been a fan of first person rpgs. Much like you said, i fall under the ppl who's first DQ game was 8 and I do play 11; I have OPT 1&2 and want to eventually get Live A Live. If i find out there is a toggle for the third person sprite mode, I'll definitely pick this (these) games up otherwise imma have to dodge this, respectfully.
I'm not really sure why this would be a deal-breaker for some people, but then again people have diffrent values. i may not understand why its a deal breaker, but i am not going to try and convince them to chance there mind. thinking about it i can understand why they would have first person battles: 1. its a remake of a very early dragon quest game. even if the remake will give more quality of life stuff for the game, they probably won't make unnecessary changes. they will probably try and keep the game as close as possible to the original to not alienate the old school fans. 2. there is a tech issues. from the few clips you showed, in battle, the charecters models hold whatever weapon they have equip on screen. now that is fine, but making the battles in 3rd person would add a lot of work for the developers. you will need to make frames of charecters weilding the weapons, them attacking with the weapons, moving on the battlefield, defending, casting and the gadabout goof-offs. you would have to make a ton of frames and animations for charecters using each weapon (and double the amount for the girls because they also have swimsuit models). by the time you try and caculate the number of stuff you would have to make, you will immediatly decied to go 1st person because that is what will allow you to make the game on a deadline. and you couldn't use the fact 8-11 had 3rd person battles because those games were 3d games with 3d models. also, its when they went 3d, that dragon quest charecters also put limits on what kind of weapons a charecter can equip. starting with 8, characters started to be limited in what they equip. early dragon quest games had the charecters equip whatever they come across.
My complaints for this remake is that the walk is seems too fast and there is map inside a dungeon. DQ should have been sticked to how players explore and appreciate its world design while listening to those awesome soundtrack. I hope there will be a feature to hide the map.
Well, combat was first-person entirely in original so I have no issue with that. I would like to see all the action in 3rd person, but I'm fine with 1st person view for the combat flow. Yea, people will just end up getting tired of the combat animations anyways so don't see any issue here.
Call it Stockholm syndrome if you will, but I've honestly come to love the first person view over the years. To the point I thought DQIX just felt completely wrong to me when that game went partially 3rd person back then. Etrian Odyssey is another series that I just prefer looking like this. It's a stylistic choice. Given that in Japan many people still hold DQ3 as their favourite game in the series, I can completely understand Squeenix trying to stick to the original style as well.
That is madness, like he said. Im actually playing DQ2 remake on Android, almost to final boss and its been a great game! I've beat 1, 4, didn't beat final boss on 6 or 9, beat 8 on 3DS but could never touch the super boss Estark. I've beat DQMJ 1&2. I love the series, going to play 3 next, but sadly don't have a way to play this amazing game. I think everyone's opinion is their's to have, but to just completely turn it down over 1 thing like that is crazy. It's not like blue dragon where every boss fight has the same ridiculously annoying boss theme lol.
I've been playing this series since Dragon Warrior way back in '89, and likely suffer from nostalgia bias due to it being my favorite ip; but this is in no way a deal breaker. I can't expect the newer generations to share this sentiment, as theirs is more about high production over homages to classics they have no spiritual investment in, but the only way I'm not buying this is if it's digital only. Not owning what we buy is the real travesty.
Most people know Dragon Quest from 8 and onward. This is really the Final Fantasy problem all over again where people want the game to be the same as the one they know. Play any game prior and the battles are first person.
I am the OG audience for this. I was there when Dragon Quest 1 launched on NES, instantly hoked. Beat #1,3,4. Got stuck on #2 in a rental did not know where to go so never beat it. So first person is expeced and I had not heard of ths complain but I have opinion. It owuld be nice, even if first person, to see the characters attack, like in Phantasy Star 2,3,4. NOt suure if it has this feasture, not checked yet, but are hte heroes fully invisible the entire combat? if so that is a bit of a bummer. BUt yeah Phantasy star 2,3,4 had first person but still he player characters would pop on scren ad attack and see their weapon and eveyrthing
Thought this was gonna be about the Type A/B thing, but this is even more stupid lmao. There is no world in which they change the iconic DQ3 battle screen. Also, "Played a good chunk of 11"... who's gonna tell him?
@@GenesisVII It's just a comically long game, is all I mean. Without spoiling anything else I'll just say the game is consistently really good at surprising you with it's length; in a good way! And don't worry, there are plenty more mindblow moments that you probably haven't had spoiled DQXI is insane
Disclaimer: I'm not that much of an RPG guy. This is a franchise that I'd like to get into, and while I do think that someone labeling this as a dealbreaker is being ridiculous (The gamers who said the same about the font in the Final Fantasy remasters come to mind), I do see it as disappointing. The main draw to me when compared to the collected mobile port trilogy is that they put so much work into the animation of the enemies, so why not give the heroes the same treatment? Why remake a game if it's not to improve every aspect you're capable to? Why not satisfy everybody by giving the player an option to toggle between what is essentially zoom settings on a camera? I love Earthbound but the whole not seeing your characters battle thing is one of its aspects that I think lessened the experience. As someone who often isn't gripped by RPGs, seeing my party battle could help me get into the game more easily rather than seeing them as mechanical experiences.
Though I do agree with you that a good chunk of people complaining about this are also folks who will complain about the grinding not going fast enough too.
I think my own expectations are from a combination of my first dragon quest game being dq11 which is now my favorite rpg of all time and loving octopath 2 which has beautiful animations, so I was hoping this game would have actual single turn based combat where you pick each move as they do it. Instead we got what I now know is the battle system of other dq games where you select all their moves at once before they play out in succession. Also I do think they could have animated the sprites attacking like in octopath but these are by no means deal breakers for me and I will be day one buying this to support DQ here in the west and I so look forward to the eventual release of DQ 12.
I am not particularly fond of first-person perspective games. However, this game appears to be visually stunning, 🤩and I have been interested in playing the earlier Dragon Quest games, having only played Dragon Quest 11. I am willing to overlook one of my preferences in this case. It's already on preorder for me.
I’m going off, like I said in the video the most often comments I’ve been getting. Which has been the first person view. I’ve barely head any complaints on what you’re referring to.
I didn’t play the dragon quest games that were first person, or the shin megami tensei games that were first person. $50/$60 for a remake where a large amount of screen space is left unused in battle screams cash grab. Notice how the more popular DQ games had 3rd person battles. This is obvious.
From what I heard DQ11 offered first person battling and 3rd person battling during the game so they could've implemented that here, but didn't because this is one of the classic titles. Now I could be wrong about that, but I'm prettgy if I am they instead went with top down overview of your character sprites on overworld and area traversal maps instead of full 3d for DQ11.
@@richardklein1167 DQXI wasn't giving you that choice, the choice was playing in 2D Mode in which case it would a classic SNES DQ with First person battle only, random encounter, a world map, and the turn base system working like older DQ. Or play in 3D mode with all the Quality of lifes like no random encounters, in battle it would only be third person, with a choice between classic mode, where the game change camera angle for the attack animation, and a dynamique mode where you can move around your character (it's just aesthetic and does nothing gameplay wise), and can just rotate the camera around the character you currently have a turn (PS : I find this mode lame and stick to classic mode personnaly).
Honestly, for me, the deal breaker would be the battles being third person... This is almost perfect. If certain sprites weren't censored this would be just perfect. I'm really looking forward to it, and the DQ1&2 games as well.
While I understand that 1st person sucks to some people , for me , it never bothered me . Also , I find it exaggerating that people won't buy it because of 1st person . Also I do believe that we got to see 1st person battles in that teaser 3 years ago , why start complaining now ? (Should have complained 3 years ago if it bothered you that much) Anyway , we should appreciate the fact that this game gets remade alongside the first two games .
I’m pleased with this remake. I will buy it this is my favorite game in the series. I think SQ approach on this remake is perfect. People need to stop whining go play an Action rpg if you think it’s slow…ugh
This has always been my main gripe with the early DQ games, and is primarily why i dont care to play them. Not sure why its such a mental block for me personally. With this remake i was hoping we would get the full over the shoulder view, and was saddened to see it was still first person. So ill probably be passing on this game unless this changes in the future. Theres too many games to play anyways 😅
I do apologize to the passionate fans of the franchise, but I simply love seeing my characters in action. It's just a personal preference. I'm probably missing out on some amazing stories, but I just can't get past it. It's the same reason I haven't played EarthBound. I do apologize again.
Still buying it thought I would prefer dq9 like animations, like dq3 too much to not buy it. Only thing that would break it for me is in game features you have to purchase for real money.
If you are a true dragon quest fan, you will know that DQ has been censored in the west since the 80's when DQ 2 first launched. Things from Puff puffs to having to change the cross symbols on chruches to be non-religious. DQ has always been censored in the west. So, WHY NOW is everyone making such a big deal about this game having censorship??
I remember buying DQ (it was 6 or 7) for PlayStation I was hype reading the game manual on the ride home with all the different classes. I couldn't make it past 10 hours in due to the 1st person view. First person is boring
Oh ok so you want a hommage to One of the greatest Dragon Quest and rpg of all times but you don't want it to look and feel like what it's meant to be. Yea ok whatever. Don't play it then
@@jackratscratpack9323 Chrono Trigger, Xenogears I highly would sell as well, don't get me wrong Xenogears is a great game, but it is more niche than DQ (especially in Japan, DQ is crazy popular over there) or Chrono Trigger. Tough honnestly if they were to remade Xenogears, it would be great that they actually finish the game, and deliver the story as it was planned, but I highly doubt this will ever happen sadly.
LOL! Basically every single Dragon Quest game has battles in first person. There's nothing wrong with that. That said, I'll be passing on the game because of their bizarre decision to get rid of gender options in favor of Type A and Type B body types. It's a cowardly move by Square Enix that I can't support.
I like the speed of 1st person battle. Start adding animations of graphics you get knights of the round. . . Sometimes faster is better. Ma6be boss battles it been cool if they switched it up but grinding it will be a time saver.
I won a copy of dqiv by writing a letter in the style of erdrick. Don't care about pixels or any of that crap. Just lemme play iii again. Miss it. viii was my fave.
Most people who never played the old DQ games tends to complain something that they never experienced. When i first started with the series after finishing DQXI, at first i dont like the first person view when i first played DQI since i moved on from first person shooter games all those years ago but i grew to love the first person view that DQ had in the series up until DQVIII. That being said, most of these people are not fans of the series(most of them are just newbies/casual fans) so they have no idea what they’re complaining about
@@GenesisVII sadly most gamers don’t have the same open but learning mindset like you had when trying out new experiences like this. This is why they tend to complain on stuff when they hadn’t experienced it yet or not have come back to in a long time.
Oooohhhh noes.... It uses the same first person combat view as Dragon Quest 3 used. Seriously though, if this is why someone won't play this game, it's THEIR loss. Of all the nitpicks, that is ludicrous. Oh well.
Oh no, it shows the female protag, looks like we aren't getting the option to play as a... COMMENT: "The battles are in first person, f*** this game!!!" ^_@ THAT is your deal-breaker? Dude, have you EVER played a Dragon Quest game before? They are ALL in first-person combat. Phew, that scared me. I want to be the girl!
My guess it's either people don't like the idea of first person view in battle or the whole woke thing about changing the characters gender and edits something like the Troll's lips that pisses people off. The whole first person view in battle does sound disappointing. But it's not an big problem and won't ruined the game. That's just stupid. Now the whole Type A & Type B rather than just saying Male or Female gender and changing lip thing I can kinda understand why people are upset with it. But let's not forget this isn't the first time something like this happened. Elden Ring & other games before this game has the Type A & Type B as well and they edited Toriyama's characters from the past. Like Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball.
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Okay lemme explain: Yes this is how Dragon Quest has always been...and it's a huge part of why it struggled in the US. First person battles are boring because you don't get to SEE your character fight. 8, 9, and 11 are HUGE upgrades because of the visible characters and when DQ3HD was announced and we saw that screenshot of the back-views of the characters we thought "FINALLY! My biggest complaint with this game has been fixed!" so to see it switch to first person was REALLY disappointing. ESPECIALLY in a game with a custom party. I love create-a-party RPGs. They're my favorite kind of RPG. DQ 3 and 9 are literally the only entries in the mainline series I enjoy. But unfortunately, most make-a-party RPGs don't let you SEE the character you make. There are also those out there who do not like make-a-party RPGs and not seeing your characters in combat makes it even harder for them to feel an attachment to the characters. The attacks do not need to be long or elaborate, simply a sword swing. It adds a LOT to the game. Even when I'm fast forwarding through, I'd like to see my bunny girl slap a monster in the face. It really REALLY adds a lot to the game. If nothing else it makes it more clear who is attacking and makes the characters more than a faceless bundle of stats. It LITERALLY adds character.
It's not a deal breaker for me, but it is a crippling disappointment as yes, the lack of on-screen characters really was my biggest complaint with the original Dragon Quest games. Existing DQ fans obviously won't be bothered, but the newcomers will be.
Been reading through a lot of the comments and this one resonated with how I feel the most on the discussion
Facts. I feel the exact same way. ESPECIALLY after they showed us those early trailers with the characters in combat. Oh well. I didnt vibe with Eiyuden chronicles but Dragon Quest is always great some imma be here for it
why not give us both?
the fast first person view and the more dynamic third person view.
as a toggle option in battle or in the main menu.
This.
Don't get me wrong. I will be buying the game. But I found out about the first person camera today, and I am sorely disappointed.
It's been an issue for me with classic DQ games since forever.
I love those games, but when I saw the first trailer for DQ3HD2D, I was so happy to see actual character animations. Now I feel sleighted.
@@Omnibus4Everyone The first trailer had already the camera switch to first person view when performing the actions, it was already only third person when selecting the action, before starting the turn.
Because they would have to animate all the armors and weapons to match two or three animations for each class and both genders. Or, they can give us this and hope we'd be cool with it since the originals were in first person during combat. 3 animations *40 or so armors*10 classes*2 genders. 2400 animations if they try and cram all the possible movements into just three animations. Or, cut the possible animations and return to first person so the battle animations for the monsters and attacks can have that familiar feel
@@Omnibus4Everyoneit was never an issue. You are just new
@@counterspellband I'm not saying that it's an "issue". Just that I evolved, particularly during from dq8 onward, and on dqm games on DS, IX and so on.
Just because it was done one way in the past, means I cannot have a preference for a remake?
Also, I have been playing this franchise since its inception. Please keep your assumptions to yourself. Thank you very much
Came to this video thinking "Oh god, they're not doing a physical release." Was SHOCKED to hear the actual reason, good lord classic DQ has always been this way!
Sorry to scare you haha!! And yes I'm leaning more on that side, I'm just trying to gauge why it's a deal breaker for a lot of people
@@GenesisVIIIm a diehard DQ fan and its a non-issue for me. I would absolutely prefer 3d battles but it will have no impact on me purchasing the game.
@fredtobin4671 I prefer 3d battles but this will be an interesting change
Yup and it's a large part of why classic DQ struggled, actually.
@@GELTONZstruggled. 😂 man this has to be a joke. No way is this an actual comment. 88 million units sold $5 billion in sales and these figures are from 2018 and there have been 5? 6? Games released since then…
Not saying I prefer the OLD ARCHAIC view for combat, but it was never an issue and was much preferred over the cheesy FF left and right thing.
Dragon Quest is to JRPGs what Call of Duty is for angry white kids who fap to War Porn. Pretty sure that view had zero impact on the series. However, I am open minded so if you have some old sources about this, feel free to let me know.
I would prefer if the protagonists were at least slightly in view during battle, but it’s hardly a dealbreaker
Random battles is a deal breaker. Should be able to turn it off like bravery default it's 2024
@@mitch20003 unfortunately random battles is a staple in old rpgs and doing a non random battle format would demand an overhaul of the way encounters work (which would make us have to wait even more for the release)
Remember how great they looked in the first teaser?
Thats the combat I wanted.
I'm pretty sure that went into first person also
Which was third person when selecting your move in the menu, and first person view when performing the actual action like they announced.... so your point ?
The point is keep it 3rd person genius.
@@thomaslandcaster9638 No the point of this comment was that supposedly the first trailer was all third person, when it was not and was already showing switch between both point of view.
I fucking hate the 1st person view as well, but no way thats a dealbreaker
Good to hear your still give it a play!
@@GenesisVII ofc I'm a huge DQ fan and was waiting for a game like this
Sharing your laments. Hated it. At least they provide the option to have 1 to maximize revenue😊
"faithful" is an excuse companies use to be lazy. Games had LIMITATIONS back then because of hardware,etc.. but have ZERO reason to be the same now! Games evolved and so should remakes. If you call them remaster that is fine cause people can expect to play the same game again with minor upgrades but this is clearly just a polished version of the same game NOT a remake!
It's a dealbreaker, I want me sprite in action.
It isn't about making the feel of the original anymore, It's about updating the original in modern gaming era.
You can probably make a first person one and a 3rd person one.
But the best one is always the 3rd person, because it can show and express the character you are playing as. This isn't FPS, it is an RPG.
Why only update the background and setting but not update on how you see your character battle?
Also you are re-releasing an older game, you have to cater to newer audience who probably played the newer titles and who plays Final Fantasy in which all these years you can see your sprite.
I agree. A remake can have both the old and the new.
It is updated you dunce. This series has notoriously been in 1st person for most of it's life.
People are dumb... go ahead skip it😂
Oh well tough shit
It's classic Dragon Quest. Not sure why you need it to change... The games been like this for eons.
And that's the problem. It's 2024 live with the times people. We are not limited in technology and can pretty much add more features to the game. Is it really too much to ask for a 3rd person battle mode? The consumer and fan base would go through the roof.
I'm a huge JRPG fan, I've been playing them my entire life (I'm 26), but just played my first DQ game this year with DQ11, I didn't even know DQIII was getting a remake until a few months ago, and at first I was super hyped, but the camera is a deal breaker for me, some people would say that my opinion doesn't matter bc I'm not a DQ fan, but at the end, what it matters is how well the game sells, so we'll have to wait, hopefully it sells well enough.
I do enjoy to watch my party doing their animations in combat and lucky for all of us this year is full with JRPGs, so bc of that I'm gonna wait for a big discount on this game, I completed Like a dragon IW in may, Just finished DQ11 a couple of months ago and now I'm completing SMT V:V to 100%, haven't played P3R yet, and Metaphor is near to be released along side to Romancing Saga 2 remake, so I'll just wait when until it gets a big discount bc the camera really put me off.
I just want to make clear I dont think this camera makes the game bad, but it definetly reduce my personal enjoyment of the game.
It why I wanted to dive a little deeper with the subject and understand
The game will sell regardless, this is DQ it's like the biggest cultural phenomena over in Japan, Japaneses alone will buy millions of copy, and they do like to have the DQ stick to their tradition and they are the main audience for this serie, so the sells aren't a concerned at least.
I think you need to give it a try anyways. I promise you won't hate it like you insist you will.
@@Misa_Susaki The thing is I just can't, I tried DQ11 in 2D, and couldn't play a run like that bc the combat.
I've tried many times to play SMT IV and the same deal, I just don't feel comfortable with first person camera in turn-based games.
I might give this game a try but when at least I can get it with a 70% off sale.
@@prometeo69 Haha, that's so insanely weird to me.
I didn't care for the first person view back in the NES era, and I still don't care for it, but it's not a deal breaker. I'll still be buying this, and the rest of you should as well. Buying these remasters sends the message that we want these classic games brought into the modern space. All the people who want their favourite classic games ported or remade, this is the way to get it. Show interest. Don't just shit on the stuff they're trying to do just because they didn't do it the way you wanted it done.
they are not remasters they are hd 2d remakes
however yes i get what you are saying .we do need more remakes made in this style. final fantasy 6 if they think a full on remake would not be worth it they should do the game in this style at the very lest in my opinion. did you know that dragon quest 1 and 2 are due out sometime next year in this style.
Nah better to not buy and when Square ask for the reason we can tell them why. It's not that we don't want these classic, we do but wants it done right for most people. Can't they just implement a 1st/3rd person battle options? I'm sure it's not really hard to do. Yes I know the original game is first person battle, but come on it's 2024.
@@thomaslandcaster9638 Square won't ask why, they will just cancel projects, or just not release them worldwide. DQ will sell very well in Japan, so if this doesn't sell in Europe or North America, next time they just won't bother localising.
Personally speaking, "quality of life" improvements seem more like crutches. The gbc version had enough additions but no crutches. That will remain my preferred version. As for the remake, it isn't necessary to play every game ever made as not all games will appeal every persons taste. The important question is how will the remake do in the dragon quest homeland.
People have always been like this about Dragon Quest. Many people refused to play them/thought they were boring until DQVIII. It's kind of sad, because they're great games, and the animations in this game and the DS remakes look GREAT. You have fully animated beautiful monster sprites, come on! I think they would get used to them if they gave them a shot.
I'm pretty sure the only remake that added third person battling was VII. So it's clearly a deliberate choice to keep the first person in a remake of Japan's FAVOURITE Dragon Quest.
The thumbnail had me worried that they had decided to remove the female Loto for some reason
They have censored a lot of female character models
You mean Body Type-2 Loto?
That's not a dealbreaker for me, but I totally get where people are coming from. There's a limit to how retro some people are willing to go. The last jrpg I can think of that had a first person combat system was etrian odyssey or smt4 I think. Those games also have a barrier to entry that some people can't get over. Seeing the cool attacks being pulled off is an appeal to a lot of people.
Not engaging is not the right word , not seeing character move and fight is a waist , in old days when you play every new game you enjoy seeing your characters move it make them feel alive and when. You fight a final boss or a hard boss it feels soo good when you see your hero strike him down with the final hit from your sword, I under stand this game is meant to be like the old games as much as possible but this make new fans like me just go away , because they CAN GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO MAKE IT FIRST PERSON VIEW OR NOT
I'm not going to play it because the people behind it are racist. I've played DQ3 many times in my childhood and I've ccme back to it over the years, and not once in my life did I EVER have any inkling in my imagination that the trolls look like black people. Now they've deeply disrespected Akira Toriyama after his death by implying that he's a racist and by removing the trolls lips because his artwork was supposedly based on black people. I find that TRAUMATIC. Only a racist could see the trolls as black people. It ruined the whole game for me. I'll never look at the trolls the same again without feeling negative thoughts about the racist people who worked on this HD-2D Remake. This game is sadness.
Is this really true?
I haven't even seen these redesigns for them or other monsters, but while I only beat the latest mobile port for the game that came out on Switch a few years back I'm of the same opinion on them and other monster or human designs they might do. I never once thought anything was inappropriate. Trolls are supposed to be terrifying and ugly creatures in mth lore. They eat people that cross bridges and small children. Akira Toriyama probably thought that was the best way to represent that at the time, and I don't really think it should be changed because this line of thinking would also mean they'd need to edit every episode of the original Dragon Ball too as people with big lips or other similar features were shown a lot. It's a drawing style...
This definitely makes me scratch my head, but probably only cuz I'm a hardcore old school DQ fan, had the NES game when I was too young to figure out everything, fell in love when I found the gameboy versions, been a fan ever since. I never hated the first person battles, and I get that modern tastes change, I'm just happy to have these games coming out in a modern coat of paint, since this was literally my childhood.
i like seeing my characters i actually dont play any first person games unless its a shooter but every one is different i love dragon quest i just pray 3rd person
🍆 move trying to bait people with that thumbnail.
Dropped my $200 on that preorder last week! Gotta get my extra Book of Satori from the drop!
I think having first person view again is kinda sweet i do think dungeon crawlers are being forgotten over the years etrian odyssey being the only best modern adaptation to a classic dungeon crawlers i feel like this are so underapreciated DQ3 is an amazing game i wish people give it a chance it has lots of wonderful world building and amazing npc and personality
You also do have rare titles like Stranger of Sword City and Undernauts too, but usually games are now like Darkest Dungeon or a full 3d experience if they're recently made RPGs.
Is not a deal breaker but I would have loved keeping third person
1st person battles makes me want it even more. I love the throw back to the original RPG’s of my childhood.
I don't like first person battle rpg and have always avoided these type of games. With the new remake they could have added both a first and third person mode for people to choose from. The new remake looking this gorgeous is pretty much a waste to me. This is the only reason why I stayed away from dragon quest 1-7. To me first person rpg just seems boring. I want to see the character in action not just pick a move and view it in first person. Hopefully they will release a dlc or some update to add a 3rd person mode. This is just my opinion, it's harsh but only fair that everyone gets to put in their 2 cents. If Square offers a 3rd person Mode I'll most likely buy it. Still even though I'm not a fan of 1st person Battle rpg I'm glad that they did remake the game for those who did enjoy this series in it's original form. Hope the people who's been waiting all this time for a remake enjoys it.
Yeah, I think that's a pretty crazy reason to be a " Deal breaker" I probably would have never noticed, but since you mentioned it it would be cool, maybe they will patch it in later. I'm still hyped!
I never paid any mind to the battle views. The real deal breaker is Square not prioritizing their investors and clients and opting for the woke consultancy firm's side instead.
Hardcore Dragon Quest fans would have thrown a fit if they took out the First Person Battles. I think I would have just felt weird about it, it's not a new Dragon Quest game, it's a remake. I feel like Remakes should try to feel like they are representing the original game, not just story. Still, you know, a compromise would probably have been sweeping camera work animations that transfer from 3rd to first person. Sure they have that a little now, but I am talking bigger and different depending on attacks. That said, I feel like most point people would put it back to first person anyways just to be able to speed through some of those encounters.
Interesting take, especially with being able to speed through battles. I've played pretty much all the titles even when it was Dragon Warrior back in the day, so I would consider myself a hardcore DQ fan. But I'm one of the fans who actually prefers 3rd person battles and seeing the characters attack. Representing the original game is important, but we're too modern to not have a little modern touch such as 3rd person. But still, your comment is valid.
Honestly the only thing i find stange is why have the menu for your units before the battles starts if they dissapear and goes into first person it sort of seems like wasted potential imo but i will still be buying the game.
The first person combat is growing on me. I got into the series with DQ8 so for me the first person view is a breath of fresh air 😅
They changed graphics from pixelart to this late ps1 era something but battles in first person because "it's how the original was" Oh yes, you have to make battle character animations in third person.
I wish there was an option to see BOTH 1st person and 3rd person. I would love to see the art styles of the pixels.
The first person view battle has always given DQ a nice unique feel that has made DQ what it is. Im happy they are keeping this from the original DQ3
@@frametrap6715 It's not unique to DQ tough old western RPG like Wizardry were first person to, and on JRPG the OG Phantasy Stars and the MegaTen were also first person (MegaTen even keep it for their DS games like SMT4), FFI was truly the first JRPG that took that Third Person point of view.
The idea seems to be to keep that same nostalgic feel that the old versions had. Octopath and Triangle were new IPs with no preconceived expectations. And Live-A-Live never came out of Japan before so that needed a fresh coat of paint to get a new audience interested. Dragon Quest on the other hand is legendary and Square-Enix found that middle ground to keep both old and new fans of these classics interested all over the world.
I like the first person view. I feel like "I " or "we" are fighting rather than "my characters" are fighting. I feel like i stand eye to eye with the monsters which add to the feeling of immersion. That is part of why I love phantasy star 1 and 4. But maybe adding a short sequence of the character attacking right now whilst the others are hidden, like in phantasy star 4 would be a good compromise. I am curious about other first person jrpgs like 7th Saga because i like this view. Especially if the monsters are a bit scary (sometimes Dragon Quest is a little bit too cute, I want to feel a little bit like what I am fighting is actually dangerous, especially if it's a hard fight ). Another point: If all turnbased jrpgs would be seen from the side i would feel like we only had different versions of Final Fantasy. Like, all other sub-genres from the genre would be erased from history and we would get a streamlined experience that is always almost the same. I am loooking forward to this game.
I played all the Originals. So I appreciate the producers kept it the way it is. If new gens doesn't want to play just because of that it's their loss. DQ's Roto (Endrick) trilogy has been remade before and it ALWAYS sell. Because it's the best DQs and have legendary status. Plus the game look more beautiful than ever before. In fact, I'm more excited by the Trilogy remake than new DQ releasing next year.
People who complain maybe, just maybe, don’t understand how exhausting grinding and leveling up can be in these games. At some point, all the fancy animations become more of a nuisance than anything else, where you press A like crazy. Dragon Quest has always been like this. I love the option that now you can speed up the combat. I noticed that spells affecting a group of enemies will show the damage to all of them at once, instead of the old one-by-one impact. That’s a huge improvement compared to older games in the franchise. To me, this is not a problem at all; in fact, now you can see your characters preparing for battle. It's just a moment, but they are actually there, unlike in previous games where you jumped from the map to the combat in first person in a second.
I guarantee you there's a setting inside the options to turn off the single person section
There wasn’t one when I played, devs also mentioned they kept it first person to keep a good pacing when it comes to battling
For me I see no problem with that... It's Dragon quest, not every game has to be the same.
Whatever people say this is fully Square's fault, they SHOULD have added both modes. End of Story. First person and 3D and let people switch to whatever they prefer. Saying the game was like that in the original is not an excuse.
Seeing the people battle like in DQ11 would be nice, but there is a difference. That isn’t a dealbreaker for me for DQ3 (it is for DQ1 because that feels like the only thing they could add in DQ1 to not be like the other DQ1 Switch game and wouldn’t totally change the story). DQ2, this isn’t a dealbreaker either, but I hope they make some changes to 2. Because why I would by DQ 1+2 if it is just the same thing as the other Switch version of 1 and 2?
For 3, my dealbreaker is this… they need to have the same amount of content as they did in the GBC version (with improved methods of obtaining monster medals, not make it so time-consuming) and possibly add more. I absolutely despise the earlier Switch version of 3, as they took out content (they didn’t need to).
I've been playing the series since the NES when my older brother had to be there to make sure i save and quit correctly, the first person is a staple for the older games so i have no problem w/ it but understand people that don't like it. Only up through DQ7 were the battles done in first person and the shift was after that which looked amazing in DQ8 but it makes sense in this one to keep the old style i think.
I get it if you are there for the combat, but if you want the world and story it isn’t a big deal
Even for the combat it's no big deal really, that's a traditionnal turn base RPG, the gameplay is stat base and menu base so weither it first person or third person view don't impact the core mechanic at all.
@@nesoukkefka1741 ya literally its just how it looks
I love Dragon Quest. The view point during battle doesn't bother me at all and i think this game looks stellar.
Its one of those issues that never made too much sense to me. Maybe its comparable to how a book is presented and the tense used. I wonder if there are people that just won't read a book if its written in the first person?
I've never been one to care exactly how the medium is presented to me if the art presented is of a good quality. This game looks like it has the essencse of Dragon Quest III nailed perfectly so im there.
Nobody's gonna talk about the gender omissions?
Quote from first Google search result:
In earlier iterations, the protagonist could be either male or female, though the gameplay experience remained largely unchanged... However, the HD-2D remake introduces a 'modern audience' twist: the replacement of traditional gender options with "Type A" and "Type B" selections.
I hate that.
Same 🤦
Welcome to American localizing i can't stand this country
@@YumyumpanVote the people that support this out of their offices
You people are disgusting, it's just a label.
Maybe they want to be faithful to the original. Myself having never played any of the early entries am excited to be able to go thru these games with the updated look.
I don't mind. seriously though, I got hooked up to the series because of the DS version of DQIV. I finished the DS versions of DQIV, V, VI and the PS2 version of VIII
I've played DQ 1 - 7 (and enjoyed them) even when some of the games were referred to as Dragon Warrior. Played DQ8 on ps2 and played DQ9 on the DS. Played DQ 11 and also have DQ7 and 8 on the 3ds. Because of the more recent games, I need to see the characters attack in battle. Adding that 3rd person view in DQ7 for 3DS made it that much better in my opinion. Like others have said, why not allow players to toggle 1st person or 3rd person for battles. As a hardcore JRPG player, being able to see the characters in action makes battles more fun in my opinion.
This remake looks nice even if the graphics aren't completely overhauled on the scale as let's say Trials of Mana (Seiken Densetsu), but yea no 3rd person view is a miss. I'm sure the game will be fun but I would expect just a bit more from a game not from an indie company. To those who buy this, please enjoy the game!
So imma keep it 💯. I was definitely one of those ppl this was a deal breaker for. Im a huge fan of sprite-based rpgs and that 2D HD ecstatic, but have never been a fan of first person rpgs.
Much like you said, i fall under the ppl who's first DQ game was 8 and I do play 11; I have OPT 1&2 and want to eventually get Live A Live.
If i find out there is a toggle for the third person sprite mode, I'll definitely pick this (these) games up otherwise imma have to dodge this, respectfully.
I'm not really sure why this would be a deal-breaker for some people, but then again people have diffrent values. i may not understand why its a deal breaker, but i am not going to try and convince them to chance there mind. thinking about it i can understand why they would have first person battles:
1. its a remake of a very early dragon quest game. even if the remake will give more quality of life stuff for the game, they probably won't make unnecessary changes. they will probably try and keep the game as close as possible to the original to not alienate the old school fans.
2. there is a tech issues. from the few clips you showed, in battle, the charecters models hold whatever weapon they have equip on screen. now that is fine, but making the battles in 3rd person would add a lot of work for the developers. you will need to make frames of charecters weilding the weapons, them attacking with the weapons, moving on the battlefield, defending, casting and the gadabout goof-offs. you would have to make a ton of frames and animations for charecters using each weapon (and double the amount for the girls because they also have swimsuit models). by the time you try and caculate the number of stuff you would have to make, you will immediatly decied to go 1st person because that is what will allow you to make the game on a deadline.
and you couldn't use the fact 8-11 had 3rd person battles because those games were 3d games with 3d models. also, its when they went 3d, that dragon quest charecters also put limits on what kind of weapons a charecter can equip. starting with 8, characters started to be limited in what they equip. early dragon quest games had the charecters equip whatever they come across.
My complaints for this remake is that the walk is seems too fast and there is map inside a dungeon.
DQ should have been sticked to how players explore and appreciate its world design while listening to those awesome soundtrack. I hope there will be a feature to hide the map.
They have options to hide quest marker, so I think map maybe able to hide too.
Well, combat was first-person entirely in original so I have no issue with that. I would like to see all the action in 3rd person, but I'm fine with 1st person view for the combat flow. Yea, people will just end up getting tired of the combat animations anyways so don't see any issue here.
Call it Stockholm syndrome if you will, but I've honestly come to love the first person view over the years. To the point I thought DQIX just felt completely wrong to me when that game went partially 3rd person back then. Etrian Odyssey is another series that I just prefer looking like this. It's a stylistic choice.
Given that in Japan many people still hold DQ3 as their favourite game in the series, I can completely understand Squeenix trying to stick to the original style as well.
That is madness, like he said. Im actually playing DQ2 remake on Android, almost to final boss and its been a great game! I've beat 1, 4, didn't beat final boss on 6 or 9, beat 8 on 3DS but could never touch the super boss Estark. I've beat DQMJ 1&2. I love the series, going to play 3 next, but sadly don't have a way to play this amazing game. I think everyone's opinion is their's to have, but to just completely turn it down over 1 thing like that is crazy. It's not like blue dragon where every boss fight has the same ridiculously annoying boss theme lol.
I've been playing this series since Dragon Warrior way back in '89, and likely suffer from nostalgia bias due to it being my favorite ip; but this is in no way a deal breaker. I can't expect the newer generations to share this sentiment, as theirs is more about high production over homages to classics they have no spiritual investment in, but the only way I'm not buying this is if it's digital only. Not owning what we buy is the real travesty.
Most people know Dragon Quest from 8 and onward. This is really the Final Fantasy problem all over again where people want the game to be the same as the one they know. Play any game prior and the battles are first person.
I am the OG audience for this. I was there when Dragon Quest 1 launched on NES, instantly hoked. Beat #1,3,4. Got stuck on #2 in a rental did not know where to go so never beat it. So first person is expeced and I had not heard of ths complain but I have opinion. It owuld be nice, even if first person, to see the characters attack, like in Phantasy Star 2,3,4. NOt suure if it has this feasture, not checked yet, but are hte heroes fully invisible the entire combat? if so that is a bit of a bummer. BUt yeah Phantasy star 2,3,4 had first person but still he player characters would pop on scren ad attack and see their weapon and eveyrthing
You see the characters as your prepping attacks
Thought this was gonna be about the Type A/B thing, but this is even more stupid lmao. There is no world in which they change the iconic DQ3 battle screen.
Also, "Played a good chunk of 11"... who's gonna tell him?
I think I'm aware of what you're talking about with 11. Unfortunately had someone spoil it for me 😔
@@GenesisVII It's just a comically long game, is all I mean. Without spoiling anything else I'll just say the game is consistently really good at surprising you with it's length; in a good way! And don't worry, there are plenty more mindblow moments that you probably haven't had spoiled DQXI is insane
Oh yes that too haha! It did surprise me each time it was like, ‘wait, but there’s more!’
Most Dragon Quest games didn't show any of your characters when you were in combat.
I'm hoping is that in case remakes of the first trilogy is successful that would make square-enix want to do, the zenithian trilogy
Currently going through 6 at the moment, after doing 4 and 5. I would love them to do the same if the opportunity arises!
Disclaimer: I'm not that much of an RPG guy. This is a franchise that I'd like to get into, and while I do think that someone labeling this as a dealbreaker is being ridiculous (The gamers who said the same about the font in the Final Fantasy remasters come to mind), I do see it as disappointing. The main draw to me when compared to the collected mobile port trilogy is that they put so much work into the animation of the enemies, so why not give the heroes the same treatment? Why remake a game if it's not to improve every aspect you're capable to? Why not satisfy everybody by giving the player an option to toggle between what is essentially zoom settings on a camera? I love Earthbound but the whole not seeing your characters battle thing is one of its aspects that I think lessened the experience. As someone who often isn't gripped by RPGs, seeing my party battle could help me get into the game more easily rather than seeing them as mechanical experiences.
Though I do agree with you that a good chunk of people complaining about this are also folks who will complain about the grinding not going fast enough too.
I think my own expectations are from a combination of my first dragon quest game being dq11 which is now my favorite rpg of all time and loving octopath 2 which has beautiful animations, so I was hoping this game would have actual single turn based combat where you pick each move as they do it. Instead we got what I now know is the battle system of other dq games where you select all their moves at once before they play out in succession. Also I do think they could have animated the sprites attacking like in octopath but these are by no means deal breakers for me and I will be day one buying this to support DQ here in the west and I so look forward to the eventual release of DQ 12.
thank you for making this video - id been researching this and couldnt figure out how battles would actually play out and what would be shown - thx!
It's pretty minor visual issue for me, but I am understand it maybe a deal breaker for someone.
I am not particularly fond of first-person perspective games. However, this game appears to be visually stunning, 🤩and I have been interested in playing the earlier Dragon Quest games, having only played Dragon Quest 11. I am willing to overlook one of my preferences in this case. It's already on preorder for me.
what are you talking about, the reason that is a deal breaker for most is the censorship and changes. is a huge insult to the original
I’m going off, like I said in the video the most often comments I’ve been getting. Which has been the first person view. I’ve barely head any complaints on what you’re referring to.
This is not Final Fantasy, its dragon quest. And it's for the fans. the rest of you can kick rocks.
The main is issues is the woke design choices of this. Long gone are the famous troll lips. GJ pissing on toriyamas grave. :)
I didn’t play the dragon quest games that were first person, or the shin megami tensei games that were first person. $50/$60 for a remake where a large amount of screen space is left unused in battle screams cash grab. Notice how the more popular DQ games had 3rd person battles. This is obvious.
the battles being first person is one of the main characteristics of the series so wtf
From what I heard DQ11 offered first person battling and 3rd person battling during the game so they could've implemented that here, but didn't because this is one of the classic titles. Now I could be wrong about that, but I'm prettgy if I am they instead went with top down overview of your character sprites on overworld and area traversal maps instead of full 3d for DQ11.
@@richardklein1167 DQXI wasn't giving you that choice, the choice was playing in 2D Mode in which case it would a classic SNES DQ with First person battle only, random encounter, a world map, and the turn base system working like older DQ.
Or play in 3D mode with all the Quality of lifes like no random encounters, in battle it would only be third person, with a choice between classic mode, where the game change camera angle for the attack animation, and a dynamique mode where you can move around your character (it's just aesthetic and does nothing gameplay wise), and can just rotate the camera around the character you currently have a turn (PS : I find this mode lame and stick to classic mode personnaly).
Honestly, for me, the deal breaker would be the battles being third person... This is almost perfect. If certain sprites weren't censored this would be just perfect. I'm really looking forward to it, and the DQ1&2 games as well.
While I understand that 1st person sucks to some people , for me , it never bothered me . Also , I find it exaggerating that people won't buy it because of 1st person . Also I do believe that we got to see 1st person battles in that teaser 3 years ago , why start complaining now ? (Should have complained 3 years ago if it bothered you that much) Anyway , we should appreciate the fact that this game gets remade alongside the first two games .
Be cool if they had 3rd person. Didn’t expect it though, don’t really care. Preordered it on steam
Agree with you 100%. Keep it faithful to the original
I’m pleased with this remake. I will buy it this is my favorite game in the series. I think SQ approach on this remake is perfect. People need to stop whining go play an Action rpg if you think it’s slow…ugh
This has always been my main gripe with the early DQ games, and is primarily why i dont care to play them. Not sure why its such a mental block for me personally. With this remake i was hoping we would get the full over the shoulder view, and was saddened to see it was still first person. So ill probably be passing on this game unless this changes in the future. Theres too many games to play anyways 😅
Fair enough!
this is not a remaster it is a remake
I do apologize to the passionate fans of the franchise, but I simply love seeing my characters in action. It's just a personal preference. I'm probably missing out on some amazing stories, but I just can't get past it. It's the same reason I haven't played EarthBound. I do apologize again.
It's not a problem at all, I'm always curious to find the reasons and they've been completely valid even if they are a little passionate haha
@GenesisVII If a demo drops, I'll give it a try because it does look amazing, and I do love 8 and 11.
Still buying it thought I would prefer dq9 like animations, like dq3 too much to not buy it. Only thing that would break it for me is in game features you have to purchase for real money.
If you are a true dragon quest fan, you will know that DQ has been censored in the west since the 80's when DQ 2 first launched. Things from Puff puffs to having to change the cross symbols on chruches to be non-religious. DQ has always been censored in the west. So, WHY NOW is everyone making such a big deal about this game having censorship??
3:02 wha.. why are these stairs still like this , they have changed and add so much why bring back things done due to device limitation at the time
I'm getting it, but I prefer the DQ8 combat style to DQ4. I don't like first-person dungeon crawlers, for example.
I remember buying DQ (it was 6 or 7) for PlayStation I was hype reading the game manual on the ride home with all the different classes. I couldn't make it past 10 hours in due to the 1st person view. First person is boring
Oh ok so you want a hommage to One of the greatest Dragon Quest and rpg of all times but you don't want it to look and feel like what it's meant to be. Yea ok whatever. Don't play it then
I've been a DQ/DW fan since the first one came out, I will be buying this day 1. So not a deal breaker for me.
imagine xeno gears and chrono trigger in HD 2d remake, thats gonna blow the internet.
Yes that would make alot more money than this game more than anything cause it’s been such a long time since we’ve got anything from those games
@@jackratscratpack9323 Chrono Trigger, Xenogears I highly would sell as well, don't get me wrong Xenogears is a great game, but it is more niche than DQ (especially in Japan, DQ is crazy popular over there) or Chrono Trigger.
Tough honnestly if they were to remade Xenogears, it would be great that they actually finish the game, and deliver the story as it was planned, but I highly doubt this will ever happen sadly.
LOL! Basically every single Dragon Quest game has battles in first person. There's nothing wrong with that.
That said, I'll be passing on the game because of their bizarre decision to get rid of gender options in favor of Type A and Type B body types. It's a cowardly move by Square Enix that I can't support.
When you care more about woke shit than the actual game smh.
@@justarandomlol Exactly! It's pathetic. SE cares more about pandering to the woke minority than making things as great as they possibly could.
It's keeping the game as much to the original engine and overhauling the graphics so the play feels the same but looks entirely new.
I like the speed of 1st person battle. Start adding animations of graphics you get knights of the round. . . Sometimes faster is better. Ma6be boss battles it been cool if they switched it up but grinding it will be a time saver.
I didn't think it would be so painfully obnoxious to read comments you'd generally agree with.
I prefer 3rd person HOWEVER seeing the sprites before and during chosing attacks is enough for me
I won a copy of dqiv by writing a letter in the style of erdrick. Don't care about pixels or any of that crap. Just lemme play iii again. Miss it. viii was my fave.
Most people who never played the old DQ games tends to complain something that they never experienced. When i first started with the series after finishing DQXI, at first i dont like the first person view when i first played DQI since i moved on from first person shooter games all those years ago but i grew to love the first person view that DQ had in the series up until DQVIII.
That being said, most of these people are not fans of the series(most of them are just newbies/casual fans) so they have no idea what they’re complaining about
I'm pretty new to the series and I've embraced the first person view in battle I really like it!
@@GenesisVII sadly most gamers don’t have the same open but learning mindset like you had when trying out new experiences like this. This is why they tend to complain on stuff when they hadn’t experienced it yet or not have come back to in a long time.
I've already Pre ordered! Can't wait for 11-14-24!
Let's goooo! 💪
Oooohhhh noes....
It uses the same first person combat view as Dragon Quest 3 used.
Seriously though, if this is why someone won't play this game, it's THEIR loss.
Of all the nitpicks, that is ludicrous.
Oh well.
this era there no such thing as healthy discussion there only war war
Very true, hoping for the good ones though!
Oh no, it shows the female protag, looks like we aren't getting the option to play as a...
COMMENT: "The battles are in first person, f*** this game!!!"
^_@ THAT is your deal-breaker? Dude, have you EVER played a Dragon Quest game before? They are ALL in first-person combat.
Phew, that scared me. I want to be the girl!
Oh wow I had no idea, definitely won’t be getting it now, not a big fan of that dungeon crawler battle system apart from the censorship of the game.
Imagine not buying a traditional JRPG for this... LOL!
I agree, why....didnt they let us see the chars in battle ffs....ill still buy it but just why.....we could have both chars and skill animations...🙃
What a shame. Was looking forward to the game but i am positive y wont be able to look padt the 1st person perspective.
My guess it's either people don't like the idea of first person view in battle or the whole woke thing about changing the characters gender and edits something like the Troll's lips that pisses people off. The whole first person view in battle does sound disappointing. But it's not an big problem and won't ruined the game. That's just stupid. Now the whole Type A & Type B rather than just saying Male or Female gender and changing lip thing I can kinda understand why people are upset with it. But let's not forget this isn't the first time something like this happened. Elden Ring & other games before this game has the Type A & Type B as well and they edited Toriyama's characters from the past. Like Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball.