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Chinese media: - Monday: Xi Thoughts - Tuesday: Xi visits farm, looking at pigs. - Wednesday: Xi greets foreign dignitaries, win-win cooproration. - Thursday: Xi on US-China relation in a new era. - Friday: Xi Thoughts on Japanese Imperial past. - Saturday: Xi visits university, promotes hard work and societal contributions. - Sunday: Xi condemns US on Cold War mentality.
@@lakojake4215except that’s clearly not true unless there’s a bunch of articles of splintering Chinese cargo vessels that I’ve missed out on. It’s their buildings that are tofu dregs
@@NBS-rk8bl if 300+ bases around the globe, and surrounding china with the USA militarized zones is not greedy, and putting the puppet government across those nations is not greedy... Then china claims it isn't wrong either, it's their legitimate right
Well the "complaint" is more directed at domestic policy and capacity rather than that China did something wrong, as you sensitive tankie shills always seem to think it's about
Bad student got to complain everything on good student, but do nothing for improvement. US is losing the competition,but won't and never lose its ability of wording 😢
this story failed to mention US never achieve market dominant in commercial ship building cause the quality and cost simply not competitive on a global scale
Like many things: This is Ronald Reagan's fault. Ronald Reagan removed subsidies for US shipbuilding without negotiating with any other country to do the same. American ships became costly and uncompetitive against Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean ships, all of whom still subsidize their industry.
@@stretchygeneral3433 Because if they don't get concessions from other countries in an international industry, you end up losing your industrial shipbuilding capacity. Countries negotiate these things all the time. It's a pretty central part of foreign policy.
@@stretchygeneral3433 so you wouldn’t loose your industries? This entire thing was planned. We de industrialized ourselves but continued to buy from abroad. Pretty crazy.
A wise conclusion.We have a saying is that If you can, you can't and shouw ememy we are weak. If you can, you can't.If they think china is stupid and weak,which can be easily defeated.Ok let them go,whchi is what we are hoping fo.Do you konw what's "韬光养晦"?
The real problem is China main focus is always on the commercial side. While US main focus is military. One actually makes economic sense, while the other just drains the tax payers. 😭
@@andrewhicks982 When a industry is mainly based on serving the US military that only takes from 1 or 2 US supplier, you get into a situation where the industry is extremely inefficient and wasteful, as we see in the US ship building industry, only exist to meet the demand of US military (often time delay for numerous years), could ask any price they want and the buyer will pay(thus no need to seek out foreign buyers to stay "profitable"), and potentially deliberately design their product to be damaged easily (so that the US government/military will keep feeding it money for repair). Now compared that to one of the asian ship building industry (China, Japan, or SK). dual use ship yards, ships need to be build fast, with quality, and cheap else your buyer will go to someone else for ships.
Nope, you are paying for it because oil is dominate in US dollars. However, US make a terrible mistake to use it as a weapon. It causes terrible pains on it allies than Russia.
The disaster that is the Littoral Combat Ship was designed, funded, and created during those wars. The wars and their costs weren't the problem, and they should have been good for the industry. But by the 2000s it was too late, there wasn't enough of a competent industry left
still have faith that your politicians including the top guy in the WH working for you? this goes both sides of the same coin politics. they waste money that is not theirs and you get the bills.
Oh?? I thought China is copying??...China dominates Ship building, Steel manufacturing, Solar Panels, EVs, Smart phones, High speed internet... just to name a few. How can it copy all of these, if they are ahead of everyone combined? There is 2 Chinese markets, the cheap copy cat ones and the highest quality ones.
In the real sense what China produces and sell out are for economic gains and market oriented not in militarization or for military vessel for up to now they have to catch up with the US technology until they realize they can not even put their own aircraft carrier into action for the lack of technical knowledge for a simple catapult to be operated in an aircraft carrier.
Lets see: Ship building: Majority of that is foreign money getting used to build ships for foreign companies because Labor is cheap in china, while most of the ship systems that make them work are Western made, same with the designs. Meaning that they only need China cheap work force to weld them together. Also most likely highly state subsidized to keep the prices low. Steel manufacturing: Again, cheap labor costs and just ignoring Environmental standards that everyone else is employing to try to save this planet. Steel manufacturing also caused a famine in 1959-1961, as a result of Mao demanding of the people to produce more Steel, resulting in framers melting down their tools and anything they could to make steel, that then got exported. Approximately 55 million people died as a result. Also currently state subsidized. Solar Panels: Again, cheap labor, not caring about the Environment, certainly state subsidized and producing technology that comes from outside of China. They might be producing that many, yet they do not really use them for themselves, rather exporting them. EVs: State subsidized to the point that you have whole fields full of newly build EVs currently rotting somewhere in China because they where build using State money to push up the numbers to make China look good. Actual Sales outside of China are very low because they can not keep up with western competitors in therms of technology. Also, Chinese EVs tend to catch fire and explode due to low production quality. Smart phones: Again, Cheap labor for the west, building stuff for others that China did not invent. Fully "Home grown" products are regularly subpar compared to Western designs. They also will spy on you. High speed internet: Once more, producing Western Tech for the West, Internet speeds drop significantly once you leave the Big Citys in China. There is also that "Great Firewall" that prevents the Chinese people from actually accessing the actual, free Internet, like we enjoy right now. As a conclusion: China can only produce this much because outside investors want their cheap labor. Most of the Tech and designs that are build in China are foreign made, not home grown, including cheap knock offs. Despite what China may claim, they are not leading in Technology in any of these fields, in many they are behind the west, they are only leading in being cheaper than the others.
You realise the state cannot subsidized all those industries at the same time while having a better social security than the US right? Let propaganda man. China subsidize SOME industries until they are big enough to strive on their one, while the weaker players die, the strongest become world-leading. Those one will then build a network of values behind them in China. And this strategy was use by Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, it is the east asian model "Most capital are foreign owned": This ain't the 2000's brother Technology are western made and this is true, but as always nobody reinvent the wheel, you have to start somewhere then thanks to your low production cost, you can make progress faster, the US did this to the UK, Japan to the US, and now China to Japan and the West, this is how technology get transfer. There is a reason why western companies went to China and it wasn't love or altruism. But you should keep that mentality!!
@@frka.836 "(...)while having a better social security than the US (...)" I see we are going for the low hanging fruit here. But does China actually have better "Social Security" than the US and the rest of the west? No, not really. ""Most capital are foreign owned": This ain't the 2000's brother" I did not say that. I said that most things get build for foreign markets, making Chinas economy very reliant on foreign money coming in so that they are able to buy the things they need to sustain themselves.
US is run by mainly lawyers whereas in the China leadership many are engineers. I am an engineer too. To build ships I know the following facts (all information are from Internet and youtubes videos but be fact checked with data in public domain) (1) Ships are built using mostly steel. China overtook Japan in 1996 to become the world’s biggest steel producer when Japan made over 100 million tonnes and US was the next with 95 million tonnes. China has since been the biggest steel producer consecutively for 28 years. In the last 4 years China made more steel than the rest of the world combined while the latest steel production of US in 2023 was 80 millions tonnes or even smaller than 28 years ago! (2) To make ship one needs electrical power and at competitive price. In 2023 the published electricity tariffs shows US tariff is 2.25 times of China who has been able to maintain the cheapest electricity among the industrialized nations for decades. China is the world leader in renewable energy in each of hydro, wind and solar. Last year in 12 months alone China installed 217 GW solar power which is more than the national total of any country. The second runner-up US at the end of 2023 has just 179 GW solar power capacity. (3) To be able to build ships a nation needs order to keep the industry going. In 2005 China was the 4th largest shipbuilder with just 13.4% world market. In tonnage China built only 1/3 of what South Korea did then. In 2017 China became the world leader in shipbuilding. In 2023 China delivered ships globally 50.2%, received new global orders 66.6% and global orders still on hand 55%. US has never been a global shipbuilding competitor since WW2. (4) To run a large manufacturing global industry a nation needs manpower. To start China has a population 4 times the US. More crucially to build ships engineers are essential. It was reported in Internet that in the 10 years period between 2013 to 2022 China had produced 1.7 million graduate engineers at the time the US turned out 120,000 (ratio 14:1). The general shortage of suitable engineers was only exposed after TSMC could not fill its vacant positions when starting up a new semiconductor plant in the US. (5) Cost of a naval ship built in the US has been reported 4 times of China. This was from a report by the American navy! (6) Any large industry competing internationally must rely heavily the support from a large domestic market. China in 2023 has owned 249.2 tonnes vessels, globally 16.9%, overtaking Greece’s 249.0 million tonnes, globally 15.8%, to become the world’s biggest owner of ships. Thus China also has the world’s biggest merchant navy fleet now. When a ship docks it needs ports. Out of the world’s 10 biggest ports 7 are in China. The Chinese port in Shanghai handles more goods than the entire fleet of ports in the US. (7) The organic shipbuilding in China is a natural progression to support the economy and trades. Its navy is just a complimentary by-product. Like China in 2023 became the world’s biggest car exporter and found itself having almost no Ro-Ro ferry to export its Evs. So BYD immediately put in an order of 8 Ro-Ro ferries and is making use of the first one just delivered. In contrast the US has no need to expand its navy for defence because there has been zero external attack. Its navy has been used just for the purpose to defend American’s interest. In reality US acts hegemonically to harass other weaker countries as the self-elected policeman and executioner of the world. However with the biggest national debt of over $34 trillion increasing at a rate of $1 trillion every 100 days US is hard up to re-vitalize its shipbuilding except by enlarging it debt burden bigger to sink itself even faster downwards.
So many things to cry for the US: 1) Ship Building 2) 5.5G, 6G 3) Hypersonic missiles 4) Yuan currency swaps 5) 7nm, 5nm... semi-conductor nodes 6) Tiangong Space station 7) Upcoming chinese base on moon 8) Zhurong rover on Mars 9) Electric vehicles 10) EV batteries 11) Solar panels 12) Huawei 13) Comac 919 and many more. Cry me an ocean US.
I worked at a shipyard in San Diego for 2 months. There was no overtime offered, the pay was so low I couldn’t survive in San Diego. I had to quit and go back to my old job
It is unreasonable to blame the decline of US shipbuilding industry on China's competition. In fact, before China occupied the largest share of shipbuilding, South Korea once dominated the market. Even before Korea, it was Japan. US was never on the list.
The western world was founded on domination of other cultures and waging wars....they devastated the Americas and colonized the Africa, Asia, and Oceania....So, US has ingrained war mentality
Shipbuilding industry is an interesting one, which is Capital, Technology/Engineering and Labor intensive simultaneously and you know which three the US misses. Unlike what WSJ portrayed, the commercial ship building center transitioned from Europe->Japan->South Korea and now (partially) China. US never dominates it and is always MIC driven.
Ship building is the sign of national strength, Just like aircraft manufacturing. They both link to comprehensive national strength, it's not as simple as just building ship or aircraft. Behind Boeing or Lockheed, there's hundred high tech company and behind China shipyard also there's hundred high tech company. Without f35, united states military would be a joke, navy is ok but they are aging. US Navy can't be replaced as fast as China did. If both country collide, whoever build most ship and aircraft will be the winner, just like in ww2 united states dominated Germany and help UK to fight the nazi
@@royk7712 Anyone can have production if you are willing to pay 200 billion to pay for the automation and go to Africa to secure the mining resources, another 200 billion. you need to be willing to carry the risk, that it does not pay you back, that it's not profitable, and that it eats away from the private companies. the Western capitalist market-driven world does not have the stomach for it, only to give some small resources in aid through the United Nations, but not to gain from them on a large scale. that would be seen as "capitalist imperialism", or something. the ideology needed is too ultranationalistic for us. an alien ideology in the West, left in World War 2, left in the times, when Britain had a global empire at its largest in 1919. 100 years ago. "If both countries collide, whoever builds most ships and aircraft will be the winner," which is very debatable in the age of nuclear weapons. The United States will tolerate a lot of things, but not large-scale water-based military losses in a full-blown war, that would remove its power projection capabilities. That has never yet happened. japan tried in the Pearl Harbor incident, but then neither side had nuclear weapons. both of them should avoid conflict. when big dogs fight, they both lose. "superpowers" only have something to gain fighting smaller countries, maybe by proxy fights, not directly against each other.
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Dai Qi said over there that he would launch an investigation into China's shipbuilding industry, and here he followed up and cooperated with public opinion. However, I feel that it is still the same old and stale rhetoric - "I can't compete with China in the U.S. manufacturing industry, not because of my cost." High, there are few industrial workers, but you subsidize it.” First of all, the civilian shipbuilding industry in the United States has never been good. Even in the last century, it could not compete with Europe. The United States is powerful (and currently the strongest) in military shipbuilding. The backwardness of civilian shipbuilding has nothing to do with whether you have subsidies from the Reagan government. Second, as the outflow of the U.S. manufacturing industry leads to the break of the industrial chain and the loss of skilled industrial workers, the cost of maintaining current military shipbuilding for the United States has become very high. The cost-effectiveness ratio between China and the United States in building ships of the same specifications is 1 :5 or even higher, which puts a lot of pressure on the United States. Third, the shipbuilding industry is a capital-intensive, labor-intensive, technology-intensive, and asset-intensive industry. China can continue to operate at a lower cost because the supporting industrial chain has matured and economies of scale have been achieved. There are steel plants in Shanghai. A large number of marine electromechanical equipment manufacturers can organize production at a very low cost. At the same time, a large number of shipbuilding workers are willing to work overtime and exhaust themselves to help the world build ships that you think are very low-profit. There is no other way. China can only make money from these things. After all, the United States just wants to build highly profitable warships and sail them all over the world to show off its power and cooperate with your financial industry to make a fortune. The United States now feels that China is building too many ships and has started military shipbuilding, but it is not happy with it, so it can only pretend to investigate. yw
They forgot about supply chain. For all this to work, a robust supply chain and logistics to the the parts to the shipyard timely and efficiently as possible
Or the workers. Say you allocate a trillion dollars and this supply chain magically pops out of thin air, who is going to build these ships? Part of off shoring manufacturing is the loss of the workers themselves. You can't just grab some randos off the street and turn them into experienced shipyard workers overnight.
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jones act is garbage but even without it we simply have too many nimbys and unions to compete china will build a new shipyard before we can even finish the approval process and the lawsuits
Feels like the statement "The US used to dominate the X industry in YYYY, but ever since YYYY, that industry has gradually dwindled away" is becoming more and more frequently used.
The Chinese state system certainly has some advantage in manufacturing e.g. lower cost, higher efficiency and etc. it has become a dilemma for the US and it’s adapting protectionism to cope with China Shock 2.0 which seems a bit hypocritical because the US used to promote so called free trade/free market so hard…
About the free market and free trade, the USA took a 180° U-turn when others started to be competitive. Now the government interventions are fine if it's the USA. But still the USA blames the Chinese government for the so-called subsidies
@@badbad-cat The US subsidizes solar panel installation and electric vehicle purchases. Yet we accuse China of subsidies? China's advantage is owning the supply chain, employing advanced technology and having an efficient mfg process.
That's what you do, adapt. The Chinese aren't playing to rules that the Americans want. Nothing wrong for them (the Americans) to come up with a new way of dealing with China to keep themselves in the dominant position, just like China is doing to try to take themselves into the dominant position. But I wouldn't say they, the Chinese, have lower costs because they are doing things so much more efficiently. They have lower costs mostly because of the super high subsidization that Chinese industry gets in all sorts of forms - cheap loans, cheap labour (controlled by government dictate), controlled currency, etc. It's not free market economics at work here.
us ship building was never competitive since Jones act, which was more than 100yrs old by now. even around WII, which was the highlight moment of us shipyards, they built ships at twice the average global cost. now, us ship building cost is more than 10 times the global average.
When china uses subsidies u get ur money's worth.when us uses subsidies,nothing really gets done the project drags on for 7 years and the funds dries up,and then they spend the next 6 years discussing why the initiative was a failure.
We do subsidize industry, the Military Industrial Complex. Why else does the tens of billions “Foreign Aid” we give to Taiwan, Ukraine and Israel come with the requirement for them to buy American weapons? Don’t worry we’re gonna also going to increase the defense budget too so we can subsidize them more.
@@NeostormXLMAX Yes, BYD also used vertical businesses. The American complained that the Chinese are overproduced their products; they put tariff in very high, from solar panels and now electric vehicles. The American government officials and businessemen don't know the Chinese mindsets. Anyway, The Chinese need charge more what they produce so the Westerners won't complain......LoL.
The USA is *hopelessly* behind China in shipbuilding capability. It simply cannot provide enough funding to allow the USA to catch up to China. Let's remember that the USA has a $35 trillion national debt (growing by $1 trillion every 100 days).
@@artemasward5842 Or Xi can do what Bush and Obama did - by paying off the bankers and screwing the home owners. Xi took a hard line by not bailing out anyone in order to discourage further real estate speculation. He is focusing on building more affordable housing to encourage young couples to start families to address population decline.
As an north American IT worker, I feel blessed. Now I’m in Beijing, most engineers working at least 10 hours per day, 6 days per week. They are talented people with eager to learn and grow. I dreaded to compete with them. At Friday night , the subways are packed with workers going home. It’s big contrast to Silicon Valley highways light traffic at Friday.
You should be thankful, because they work longer hours for probably half your salary, and they endure congested commutes and high housing prices.They live a more depressed life than you do.
In short, size does matter. Even an elephant can be killed by millions of fire ants attacking it all at once. If China were to use its shipyards to manufacture cheap AI-powered kamikaze submersible drones at breakneck speed, a 200x difference in production capacity would be a significant advantage. Even the most advanced US ships would be vulnerable to wave upon wave of drone attacks, which could potentially sink the carrier group near China water. China's military production output is what the USA used to be, and potentially even larger than the USA ever was during WW2 in comparison.
@RandomDude-yv5zfExpand your horizon and imagine the future of wars to come. Ukraine submersible drones sunk Russian ships that had CIWS onboard as well right? Like it or not Air, Land, and Sea drones are part of the future doctrine of network-centric warfare. Stealthy sub bouy or recon drones will act as the sensors for the shooter drone fleet, and a combined arms tactics comprising a barrage of air launched torpedoes, cruise missiles, glide bombs, aerial drones will keep the point defense system of the carrier group busy. Expendable wild weasels drones will try to jam all spectrum of the aircrafts in the sky, Aegis and carrier radar systems. While Hundreds if not thousands of small submersible attack drones will focus it's attack on a designated section of the carrier hull, repeating it's attack on a singular point until the ship is no more, and then move on to other targets in similar fashion. When the day comes when war is inevitable, do you think China will hold back on its attack? It will throw everything at its disposal to sink the carrier group, short of a nuclear strike.
Lets reflect on this comment in 20 years. The Chinese are able to do this due to a large cheap labor market. Due to the lasting effects of the 1 child Policy, the population is decreasing every year.
@@johnnybravo964America has already lost sadly. Which worries me as a Canadian, sure the USA has fewer but better ships but currently they have a huge downside. The navy hasn't figured out how to rearm their VLS tubes without returning to a special friendly port. So essentially they could fire their weapons and retreat all the way back to Japan or gaum perhaps further once those ports are knocked out. China will contunie to pump out 200x the gross tonnage.
@@murdercom998 What kind of a conflict are you imagining here? You know, if the Americans are DIRECTLY engaging Chinese naval fleets, the quantity of ships one side has versus the other side would be irrelevant, since they both will shove nukes into each other's faces. Actually, the Russians would join in on that, so it'll be a three-way nuke party.
They always mention the 11 US carriers. But they are OLD. Only one carrier was recently built. The other 10 is between 30 to 50 years old. Only 4, maybe 5 of the US carriers is seaworthy at anytime.
The Jones Act was meant as an indirect subsidy to the American ship building industry. Without the direct subsidies we neither have our cake nor eat it. The US Government needs to decide, either end the Jones act (thereby reinvigorating domestic water trade) or resume subsidies to ship building (which would by ludicrously costly).
@@15joradano Jones act, no US mariners. No US mariners, no US maritime power. It’s not just about the shipbuilding, it’s also about who we have running our merchant fleet
@@donfully it prohibits foreign-made ships to from carrying goods or passengers between 2 US ports. For example, this makes it impossible to ship natural gas domestically, since there are no US made LNG ships.
Well no one is talking about britain here, stop living in the 19th century dude. Also Britain's Naval power was over with the death of the empire , without the empire and the vast colonies britain was never a superpower, infact not even the strongest european power considering how they had the full might of the strongest empire on earth and yet they couldn't win either of World War on their own and needed the american help , not to mention the Soviet Red army fighting in WWII on eastern front
@@exelrode They were always great maritime power, but they were never great land power. The British couldnt take down Napoleon and needed a gang of EU countries.The same story for WWI and WWII.
@@ozmodiar5561 British economy was actually very dependent on the colonies during the time of the empire, it provided them a huge market for british goods and also working as major source for raw materials which they would import into UK at obviously much lesser cost than they would from a sovereign nation. So as a result british industries were never really able to compete internationally without the colonies to support them
“USTR Initiates Section 301 Investigation of China’s Targeting of the Maritime, Logistics, and Shipbuilding Sectors for Dominance” Then, there is a video.
4:50 I think the USS Texas was a relatively poor ship to pick for the photos of aging ships.. considering she's a museum ship that just rewent retrofits.
US could take their shipbuilding companies to the Philippines or acquire the whole subic port just like they did in the past. Philippines is the fourth biggest shipbuilder after china, japan, and sk plus a very cheap labor.
In ww2 the usa built a ship yard, the town for its workers and all the roads and infrastructure in 6 months. With competent leaders the USA could ramp up production very fast.
Imagine the impressive ships coming out of China. With that quality of Craftsmanship that China is famous for. The world is trembling. Along with the rattling metal all along China's ships.
It seems every time we hear about something wrong the US did that ruins things for us now it was because of Reagan. That guy seriously destroyed so much of what made America amazing.
Korea is starting to lose the race as of last year, primarily due to rising us interest rates. a ship production has a long production cycle so company such as these need to borrow heavily to maintain operations. the Korean shipyards borrow from the global financial system which have their cost increased when us raise its interest rate from 0 to 4%, the chinese shipyard is borrowing from the isolated chinese internal finanical system, and they are reducing interesting rates.
The truth is the cost of labour in US is exorbitant. It is losing in state of the art technology to China. Supply chain chips & rare elements is probably another factor.
@@Melior_Traiano It's not WW2 anymore. Always "If the US really wanted to". If that were the case, they would've done that decades ago, and it's hurting them now. And it's not as easy as you think it is to just put all that infrastructure in place. And forget about the politics associated with such things.
@@Flightman453 I never said it would be easy nor that the infrastructure etc. is in place. However, a country with 330 million people, an economic powerhouse, that used to have this capacity in the past, could rebuild it again if it really wanted / needed to.
Shipbuilding industry is not just about shipping. It's entire industrial chain from steel to ship. There's hundreds of supplier is needed to support 1 shipyard. You can actually link comprehensive national strength with ship or aircraft manufacturing capability. United States has aircraft advantages now.
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@@MJ-revered the british and french thought the same as well, when the us mangled their colonies. what is different about china, aside from population?
For a low cost Maintenance and repair of the US Navy Ship, USA or the US Navy should have a NASSCO type Repair and Maintenance shipyard in Subic Bay Philippines
The US government needs to reinstate subsidies to help revive its shipbuilding industry and emulate China's civil-military fusion strategy to improve economies of scale and speed of construction. .
The more subsidies you give, the more profit will be made by the private industry who can kick $ back to the politicians. The problem is building for profit rather than building for purpose.
Instead of wasting money on US shipbuilding for the Navy, why doesn't it sub out these ships to say South Korea or Japan that has these capabilities? If there is a conflict with China, those countries are nearer to China to be able to repair naval vessels also. Russia is considering buying frigates from China and it is buying merchant ships from China.
Do keep in mind that Korea will not want to be drawn into a war due to its own internal situation. As for Japan, even if they are dumb enough to participate, it's solidly within range of chinese missiles.
Nothing says global superpower like relying on another country to build your warships for you... perhaps bring those jobs back to the US and correct the failures of the past administrations.
The fact that you think any sort of conflict with China would be successful if the US placed it's naval facilities directly within China's sphere of influence, across many thousands of miles of ocean from the American mainland, is a prototypal example of why Americans and America are falling like Rome.
Relying on Korea for ships wouldn't make sense during war either, because china can easily cripple Korea's ship building industry, to make sure the US struggles to repair damaged ships, and struggles to replaced ships that were destroyed.
But the same applies to China. Currently China makes all their ships besides submarines on the coast which would be easily attacked by U.S. in a war. Of course SK and Japan can also be attacked
@@dailyrant4068 no they wouldn't lol Mainland china, just like mainland US, has extremely sophisticated air defences. The US, had to create a new stealth bomber specifically for china just because of China's increasingly sophisticated air defences. China's anti access denial technology would prevent Americans from intervening in Taiwan. So, the US wanted a way to penetrate China's anti access denial strategy with ease by created a next generation stealth bomber. And to their disappointment, china has made significant progress in anti stealth radars in the last few years. This technology is growing increasingly more robust, making stealth bombers potentially vulnerable.
@@dailyrant4068 and not only that... China's spy satellites are capable of spotting and tracking stealth bombers in real time. They don't use radars. These are purely optical. When they spot the bomber heading in China's direction...they would send stealth fighters to intercept it. Or, they will send warnings, if the US doesn't turn the stealth bomber around, they would launch missiles.
In other words, we don't build ships in America because the ship building companies got super greedy and can't compete with China with their fair pricing. That's the whole video. You can waste your time watching it, but it's just mostly people complaining how it's unfair.
Japan was number 1 for number of years. then South Korea moved in. China followed, it took some years for China to catch up, master what it learned, and then become number 1.
Read more about how Chinese shipyards are thriving and primed to build at wartime rates, while U.S. shipbuilding is in disarray on.wsj.com/3Um68Fa
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Chinese media:
- Monday: Xi Thoughts
- Tuesday: Xi visits farm, looking at pigs.
- Wednesday: Xi greets foreign dignitaries, win-win cooproration.
- Thursday: Xi on US-China relation in a new era.
- Friday: Xi Thoughts on Japanese Imperial past.
- Saturday: Xi visits university, promotes hard work and societal contributions.
- Sunday: Xi condemns US on Cold War mentality.
Absolutely true 😂😂 and the Chinese really don’t give a F about USA
Yeah, building 51% of all ships means they build more ships than the rest of the world combined.
Is that the number of ships or tonnage? You can build thousands of tiny boats, but 1 large ship will always win
@@wow-sham1300 Number and tonnage for both military and commercial.
@@wow-sham1300 Maybe if you look at the footage you'll see China isn't exactly building ferryboats and dinghys.
@@hc1897 No, they're building massive tofu dreg ships.
@@lakojake4215except that’s clearly not true unless there’s a bunch of articles of splintering Chinese cargo vessels that I’ve missed out on.
It’s their buildings that are tofu dregs
US has more than 300 military bases surrounding China, and you blaming China for building ships.
Nope, we blaming china for claiming islands in West Philippine Sea...they becoming greedy now.
@@NBS-rk8bl Lol south china sea.
@@NBS-rk8bl you don't even know the correct sea 😂😂😂
But no worries america can take whatever island it wants, since it is america
@@NBS-rk8bl if 300+ bases around the globe, and surrounding china with the USA militarized zones is not greedy, and putting the puppet government across those nations is not greedy... Then china claims it isn't wrong either, it's their legitimate right
Is the US going to complain about China over-capacity on ship building, too?
So far, China is using US dollars to build it "over-capacity" ship building including military vessels.
Well the "complaint" is more directed at domestic policy and capacity rather than that China did something wrong, as you sensitive tankie shills always seem to think it's about
Of course, that's how you get funding.
Bad student got to complain everything on good student, but do nothing for improvement. US is losing the competition,but won't and never lose its ability of wording 😢
@@michaele4830 US companies have made enormous profits by investing China.
this story failed to mention US never achieve market dominant in commercial ship building cause the quality and cost simply not competitive on a global scale
Could say the same about their cars. Or motorbikes. Or washing machines. Or vacuum cleaners. Or TVs. Burgers. They make good burgers.
Like many things: This is Ronald Reagan's fault. Ronald Reagan removed subsidies for US shipbuilding without negotiating with any other country to do the same. American ships became costly and uncompetitive against Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean ships, all of whom still subsidize their industry.
@@proy3Why would Ronald Reagan or any president in general negotiate with other countries to tell them not to subsidize their own countries industry?
@@stretchygeneral3433 Because if they don't get concessions from other countries in an international industry, you end up losing your industrial shipbuilding capacity. Countries negotiate these things all the time. It's a pretty central part of foreign policy.
@@stretchygeneral3433 so you wouldn’t loose your industries? This entire thing was planned. We de industrialized ourselves but continued to buy from abroad. Pretty crazy.
When your opponent criticizes you, that means you are on the right track, so focus on self improvement no matter what they say
A wise conclusion.We have a saying is that If you can, you can't and shouw ememy we are weak. If you can, you can't.If they think china is stupid and weak,which can be easily defeated.Ok let them go,whchi is what we are hoping fo.Do you konw what's "韬光养晦"?
The real problem is China main focus is always on the commercial side. While US main focus is military. One actually makes economic sense, while the other just drains the tax payers. 😭
Lol what?
@@andrewhicks982 When a industry is mainly based on serving the US military that only takes from 1 or 2 US supplier, you get into a situation where the industry is extremely inefficient and wasteful, as we see in the US ship building industry, only exist to meet the demand of US military (often time delay for numerous years), could ask any price they want and the buyer will pay(thus no need to seek out foreign buyers to stay "profitable"), and potentially deliberately design their product to be damaged easily (so that the US government/military will keep feeding it money for repair).
Now compared that to one of the asian ship building industry (China, Japan, or SK). dual use ship yards, ships need to be build fast, with quality, and cheap else your buyer will go to someone else for ships.
Nope, you are paying for it because oil is dominate in US dollars. However, US make a terrible mistake to use it as a weapon. It causes terrible pains on it allies than Russia.
The meme.“Do nothing.win”
China promoted trade/bulid all over the world.
The United States waged war/military all over the world.
"10 years ago" *shows 2003*
tbf i always think 2003 was 10 years ago
😭
Quality of work is really low
@@JackReacheround u stuck in 2013
I still think a 2016 car is a "new" car
China had been building the largest and most elaborate naval fleet in the world during the Ming Dynasty before America even existed.
wasnt prc tho
@@Lord-oc2vc theyre still Han Chinese
It was in the age of sail they also had a lot of other firsts and biggests long time ago
China also invented gunpowder, now we are in trouble ! ;)
But won't pay the sovereign debt it owes!
If USA does not spend $3 trillion for wars in the past 2 decades, USA can have a decent shipbuilding industry
The disaster that is the Littoral Combat Ship was designed, funded, and created during those wars. The wars and their costs weren't the problem, and they should have been good for the industry. But by the 2000s it was too late, there wasn't enough of a competent industry left
This is why beurocrats in China are better than in the United States!
O we have spent more than 3 trillion on wars. It's more like 9 - 11 trillion 😅
still have faith that your politicians including the top guy in the WH working for you? this goes both sides of the same coin politics. they waste money that is not theirs and you get the bills.
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Oh?? I thought China is copying??...China dominates Ship building, Steel manufacturing, Solar Panels, EVs, Smart phones, High speed internet... just to name a few. How can it copy all of these, if they are ahead of everyone combined? There is 2 Chinese markets, the cheap copy cat ones and the highest quality ones.
What do you mean? Do you not have any idea of how intellectual property works? They steal it and copy it and manufacture it don’t be a clown
In the real sense what China produces and sell out are for economic gains and market oriented not in militarization or for military vessel for up to now they have to catch up with the US technology until they realize they can not even put their own aircraft carrier into action for the lack of technical knowledge for a simple catapult to be operated in an aircraft carrier.
Lets see:
Ship building: Majority of that is foreign money getting used to build ships for foreign companies because Labor is cheap in china, while most of the ship systems that make them work are Western made, same with the designs. Meaning that they only need China cheap work force to weld them together. Also most likely highly state subsidized to keep the prices low.
Steel manufacturing: Again, cheap labor costs and just ignoring Environmental standards that everyone else is employing to try to save this planet. Steel manufacturing also caused a famine in 1959-1961, as a result of Mao demanding of the people to produce more Steel, resulting in framers melting down their tools and anything they could to make steel, that then got exported. Approximately 55 million people died as a result. Also currently state subsidized.
Solar Panels: Again, cheap labor, not caring about the Environment, certainly state subsidized and producing technology that comes from outside of China. They might be producing that many, yet they do not really use them for themselves, rather exporting them.
EVs: State subsidized to the point that you have whole fields full of newly build EVs currently rotting somewhere in China because they where build using State money to push up the numbers to make China look good. Actual Sales outside of China are very low because they can not keep up with western competitors in therms of technology. Also, Chinese EVs tend to catch fire and explode due to low production quality.
Smart phones: Again, Cheap labor for the west, building stuff for others that China did not invent. Fully "Home grown" products are regularly subpar compared to Western designs. They also will spy on you.
High speed internet: Once more, producing Western Tech for the West, Internet speeds drop significantly once you leave the Big Citys in China. There is also that "Great Firewall" that prevents the Chinese people from actually accessing the actual, free Internet, like we enjoy right now.
As a conclusion:
China can only produce this much because outside investors want their cheap labor. Most of the Tech and designs that are build in China are foreign made, not home grown, including cheap knock offs. Despite what China may claim, they are not leading in Technology in any of these fields, in many they are behind the west, they are only leading in being cheaper than the others.
You realise the state cannot subsidized all those industries at the same time while having a better social security than the US right?
Let propaganda man. China subsidize SOME industries until they are big enough to strive on their one, while the weaker players die, the strongest become world-leading. Those one will then build a network of values behind them in China. And this strategy was use by Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, it is the east asian model
"Most capital are foreign owned": This ain't the 2000's brother
Technology are western made and this is true, but as always nobody reinvent the wheel, you have to start somewhere then thanks to your low production cost, you can make progress faster, the US did this to the UK, Japan to the US, and now China to Japan and the West, this is how technology get transfer. There is a reason why western companies went to China and it wasn't love or altruism.
But you should keep that mentality!!
@@frka.836 "(...)while having a better social security than the US (...)" I see we are going for the low hanging fruit here.
But does China actually have better "Social Security" than the US and the rest of the west? No, not really.
""Most capital are foreign owned": This ain't the 2000's brother" I did not say that. I said that most things get build for foreign markets, making Chinas economy very reliant on foreign money coming in so that they are able to buy the things they need to sustain themselves.
US is run by mainly lawyers whereas in the China leadership many are engineers. I am an engineer too. To build ships I know the following facts (all information are from Internet and youtubes videos but be fact checked with data in public domain)
(1) Ships are built using mostly steel. China overtook Japan in 1996 to become the world’s biggest steel producer when Japan made over 100 million tonnes and US was the next with 95 million tonnes. China has since been the biggest steel producer consecutively for 28 years. In the last 4 years China made more steel than the rest of the world combined while the latest steel production of US in 2023 was 80 millions tonnes or even smaller than 28 years ago!
(2) To make ship one needs electrical power and at competitive price. In 2023 the published electricity tariffs shows US tariff is 2.25 times of China who has been able to maintain the cheapest electricity among the industrialized nations for decades. China is the world leader in renewable energy in each of hydro, wind and solar. Last year in 12 months alone China installed 217 GW solar power which is more than the national total of any country. The second runner-up US at the end of 2023 has just 179 GW solar power capacity.
(3) To be able to build ships a nation needs order to keep the industry going. In 2005 China was the 4th largest shipbuilder with just 13.4% world market. In tonnage China built only 1/3 of what South Korea did then. In 2017 China became the world leader in shipbuilding. In 2023 China delivered ships globally 50.2%, received new global orders 66.6% and global orders still on hand 55%. US has never been a global shipbuilding competitor since WW2.
(4) To run a large manufacturing global industry a nation needs manpower. To start China has a population 4 times the US. More crucially to build ships engineers are essential. It was reported in Internet that in the 10 years period between 2013 to 2022 China had produced 1.7 million graduate engineers at the time the US turned out 120,000 (ratio 14:1). The general shortage of suitable engineers was only exposed after TSMC could not fill its vacant positions when starting up a new semiconductor plant in the US.
(5) Cost of a naval ship built in the US has been reported 4 times of China. This was from a report by the American navy!
(6) Any large industry competing internationally must rely heavily the support from a large domestic market. China in 2023 has owned 249.2 tonnes vessels, globally 16.9%, overtaking Greece’s 249.0 million tonnes, globally 15.8%, to become the world’s biggest owner of ships. Thus China also has the world’s biggest merchant navy fleet now. When a ship docks it needs ports. Out of the world’s 10 biggest ports 7 are in China. The Chinese port in Shanghai handles more goods than the entire fleet of ports in the US.
(7) The organic shipbuilding in China is a natural progression to support the economy and trades. Its navy is just a complimentary by-product. Like China in 2023 became the world’s biggest car exporter and found itself having almost no Ro-Ro ferry to export its Evs. So BYD immediately put in an order of 8 Ro-Ro ferries and is making use of the first one just delivered. In contrast the US has no need to expand its navy for defence because there has been zero external attack. Its navy has been used just for the purpose to defend American’s interest. In reality US acts hegemonically to harass other weaker countries as the self-elected policeman and executioner of the world. However with the biggest national debt of over $34 trillion increasing at a rate of $1 trillion every 100 days US is hard up to re-vitalize its shipbuilding except by enlarging it debt burden bigger to sink itself even faster downwards.
The jewmerica said: China should make shoes, socks and T shirts forever, not chips, not ships !.
@@nihonyoung379 Sublime comment.
Brilliant 👍🏼
@@nihonyoung379
呵呵 你們自己生活在自己幻想的世界當中 因為你們國家長久利用巨額補貼 造成低價搶單 跟電動車一樣
要是在以前的和平年代 會給你們訂單 你們還以為是自己真的很行 ?
看看這幾年開始 其他國家也在補貼造船行業 甚至造船就直接貸款給自己船運公司買自己的船
台灣目前就已經將商業船隻自己製造 我們銀行給台灣船東貸款 將產業鏈全部留給自己 就是學你們的
以後 其他國家也會仿效 你們這種方式誰都會 倒是你們這種做生意的方式 已經到頭了
還以為美國是十字軍東征 ?
那你們是啥 ? 自以為是秦皇漢武 ? 還是你們被外族的蒙古可汗 滿州大帝滅 ? 就趕快認蒙古人滿清人當祖宗 ?
用中國經濟術語 你們就是大乙方 大甲方都在美歐日 資金技術也都在美歐日
你們自大到和美歐日翻臉 你們就自己搞自己的吧
@@nihonyoung379 Jewmerica?
Anything that US can’t do, must be China’s faults. Sounds so familiar these days.
China can't maintain its economy by printing money like the US, so it can only develop its manufacturing industry.
@@jogana6909 You're saying this is a bad thing?
Not surprised. This is typical behaviour of their scarcity mindset.
Biden's fault...who are you kidding
@@jogana6909 printing money and owing Trillions of debt lol
So many things to cry for the US: 1) Ship Building 2) 5.5G, 6G 3) Hypersonic missiles 4) Yuan currency swaps 5) 7nm, 5nm... semi-conductor nodes 6) Tiangong Space station 7) Upcoming chinese base on moon 8) Zhurong rover on Mars 9) Electric vehicles 10) EV batteries 11) Solar panels 12) Huawei 13) Comac 919 and many more. Cry me an ocean US.
Your bank account is now 50cents richer
@@aone9050 look at mister "I don't have any counterargument so I reach for my cheap talking point". Good job buddy
😂
@@aone9050 Use "到账五毛” next time 😂
@@aone9050hey Chang, you need to get over your past humiliation by China and move on.
I worked at a shipyard in San Diego for 2 months. There was no overtime offered, the pay was so low I couldn’t survive in San Diego. I had to quit and go back to my old job
你们应该提升工人待遇，华尔街吸血美国实体产业太久了，这样不可能长久维持下去。
Is it all China's fault again？？？？？？？
From the colonizers' perspective, yes😅
It is always China's fault.
They built too many ship factories around our military bases.
always
as always
That’s an industry, not an empire. Read a book, WSJ.
Because WSJ is controlled and supporting politicians agenda.
After excluding the financial industry, legal industry, and accounting industry, the U.S. economy is smaller than China's
They know. Just empire sounds more Hollywood
What do u expect from a US media funded by CIA aka NED
It is unreasonable to blame the decline of US shipbuilding industry on China's competition.
In fact, before China occupied the largest share of shipbuilding, South Korea once dominated the market. Even before Korea, it was Japan.
US was never on the list.
US can't stop thinking about war 😂
That's how the politicians make money. You cant corrupt infrastucture money.
The western world was founded on domination of other cultures and waging wars....they devastated the Americas and colonized the Africa, Asia, and Oceania....So, US has ingrained war mentality
Because that's the only area left where they have a chance to save their bully empire. PHhheeww.. 😉
you would do well to start thinking. Not about war, necessarily. Just using your brain in general.
China's definitely not thinking about war by building tons of naval ships...
Shipbuilding industry is an interesting one, which is Capital, Technology/Engineering and Labor intensive simultaneously and you know which three the US misses. Unlike what WSJ portrayed, the commercial ship building center transitioned from Europe->Japan->South Korea and now (partially) China. US never dominates it and is always MIC driven.
Ship building is the sign of national strength, Just like aircraft manufacturing. They both link to comprehensive national strength, it's not as simple as just building ship or aircraft. Behind Boeing or Lockheed, there's hundred high tech company and behind China shipyard also there's hundred high tech company. Without f35, united states military would be a joke, navy is ok but they are aging. US Navy can't be replaced as fast as China did. If both country collide, whoever build most ship and aircraft will be the winner, just like in ww2 united states dominated Germany and help UK to fight the nazi
@@royk7712 Anyone can have production if you are willing to pay 200 billion to pay for the automation and go to Africa to secure the mining resources, another 200 billion. you need to be willing to carry the risk, that it does not pay you back, that it's not profitable, and that it eats away from the private companies.
the Western capitalist market-driven world does not have the stomach for it, only to give some small resources in aid through the United Nations, but not to gain from them on a large scale. that would be seen as "capitalist imperialism", or something.
the ideology needed is too ultranationalistic for us. an alien ideology in the West, left in World War 2, left in the times, when Britain had a global empire at its largest in 1919. 100 years ago.
"If both countries collide, whoever builds most ships and aircraft will be the winner,"
which is very debatable in the age of nuclear weapons.
The United States will tolerate a lot of things, but not large-scale water-based military losses in a full-blown war, that would remove its power projection capabilities. That has never yet happened. japan tried in the Pearl Harbor incident, but then neither side had nuclear weapons.
both of them should avoid conflict. when big dogs fight, they both lose. "superpowers" only have something to gain fighting smaller countries, maybe by proxy fights, not directly against each other.
yo why the USA fund Israel video comment section is turned off 😂
Because of Hamas bots trying to spread misinformation
As a Chinese, I want western media stop talking my country and focus on your own country.
We have to blame someone else for our problems 😅
Well said!!! Westerns mind yr own business an accept the fact tht china is th new global super power 😂😂 an make peace wth it 🤣🤣🤣 china❤ god bless China
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@@GLOBALALLIANCE 🤣
@@GLOBALALLIANCEyea thats called Spatial Fix of capitalism
As a westerner, I want China to stop stealing from us and focus on its own country
戴琦那边说要对中国造船业发起调查，这边就跟上接着舆论配合，但是我怎么感觉还是那一套没新意的老说辞--“我美国制造业竞争不过中国，不是因为我成本高，产业工人少，而是你们补贴了”。首先，美国的民用造船业从来就不行，即使在上个世纪也无法与欧洲竞争，美国厉害（目前也是最强）的是军用造舰，民用造船落后跟你里根政府补贴与否没有关系。第二，随着美国制造业外流导致产业链断裂和熟练的产业工人流失，美国想要维持现在军用造船的成本也已经非常高了，造同规格的舰艇中美之间的费效比是1:5甚至更高，这点让美国压力很大。第三，造船业是资本密集，劳动密集，技术密集，资产密集的产业，中国能以更低的成本运行下去，那是因为配套产业链成熟了，规模效应做起来了，上海有钢铁厂有大量的船用机电设备厂商可以很低成本地组织生产，同时一大批造船工人愿意辛辛苦苦加班加点累死累活地帮全世界造你们觉得利润很低的船。没办法，中国只能从这些做起去赚钱，毕竟美国只想去搞高利润的军舰，开到全世界耀武扬威配合你们的金融业发大财。美国现在觉得中国造船太多了，把军用造船搞起来了，又不乐意了，只能搞点嘴炮装模作样调查一下咯。
Dai Qi said over there that he would launch an investigation into China's shipbuilding industry, and here he followed up and cooperated with public opinion. However, I feel that it is still the same old and stale rhetoric - "I can't compete with China in the U.S. manufacturing industry, not because of my cost." High, there are few industrial workers, but you subsidize it.” First of all, the civilian shipbuilding industry in the United States has never been good. Even in the last century, it could not compete with Europe. The United States is powerful (and currently the strongest) in military shipbuilding. The backwardness of civilian shipbuilding has nothing to do with whether you have subsidies from the Reagan government. Second, as the outflow of the U.S. manufacturing industry leads to the break of the industrial chain and the loss of skilled industrial workers, the cost of maintaining current military shipbuilding for the United States has become very high. The cost-effectiveness ratio between China and the United States in building ships of the same specifications is 1 :5 or even higher, which puts a lot of pressure on the United States. Third, the shipbuilding industry is a capital-intensive, labor-intensive, technology-intensive, and asset-intensive industry. China can continue to operate at a lower cost because the supporting industrial chain has matured and economies of scale have been achieved. There are steel plants in Shanghai. A large number of marine electromechanical equipment manufacturers can organize production at a very low cost. At the same time, a large number of shipbuilding workers are willing to work overtime and exhaust themselves to help the world build ships that you think are very low-profit. There is no other way. China can only make money from these things. After all, the United States just wants to build highly profitable warships and sail them all over the world to show off its power and cooperate with your financial industry to make a fortune. The United States now feels that China is building too many ships and has started military shipbuilding, but it is not happy with it, so it can only pretend to investigate.
yw
米国的军工复合体，媒体，政客，智库，甚至是工会加在一起都是一丘之貉，在一起他们就是一部战争机器。
过去二十年，中国已成为造船强国，海洋大国地位进一步巩固。 2023年，全球商业造船量的一半以上来自中国，而美国占比不到1%。
《华尔街日报》审视了导致这一增长的战略，并探讨了美国在海军竞争加剧时的立场。!!!
老美能建造航母的船坞只有一个😂，因为造船业的减少，技术工种大量流失，都去玩金融了😂
US Navy可以下订单给CSSC啊，只要提供图纸，帮他们造没问题
They forgot about supply chain. For all this to work, a robust supply chain and logistics to the the parts to the shipyard timely and efficiently as possible
Or the workers. Say you allocate a trillion dollars and this supply chain magically pops out of thin air, who is going to build these ships? Part of off shoring manufacturing is the loss of the workers themselves. You can't just grab some randos off the street and turn them into experienced shipyard workers overnight.
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Bro China is playing Civ in real life and just pulled a harbor adjacency bonus 😭+100%
US denounced you: (you build more harbour districts than them😂)
@@francozheng5617 hah，u guys so really
给中国人发奖金?中国人表示能把工资发齐了就很不错了。你是真美国人？
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@@sanuanhu9289 笑死 你是沒看懂還是回錯文
You cannot talk about US shipping without talking about the Jones Act.
You mean the worse law ever to exist?
jones act is garbage but even without it we simply have too many nimbys and unions to compete
china will build a new shipyard before we can even finish the approval process and the lawsuits
@@g33zer Unions are needed to protect worker rights.
@@Austin-cx2xeno Jones act, no US mariners. No US mariners, no US maritime capability.
The dumb act on record.
Feels like the statement "The US used to dominate the X industry in YYYY, but ever since YYYY, that industry has gradually dwindled away" is becoming more and more frequently used.
The Chinese state system certainly has some advantage in manufacturing e.g. lower cost, higher efficiency and etc. it has become a dilemma for the US and it’s adapting protectionism to cope with China Shock 2.0 which seems a bit hypocritical because the US used to promote so called free trade/free market so hard…
When you have the advantage, free trade; when others have the advantage, they have overcapacity. lol
About the free market and free trade, the USA took a 180° U-turn when others started to be competitive. Now the government interventions are fine if it's the USA. But still the USA blames the Chinese government for the so-called subsidies
@@badbad-cat The US subsidizes solar panel installation and electric vehicle purchases. Yet we accuse China of subsidies? China's advantage is owning the supply chain, employing advanced technology and having an efficient mfg process.
Chines workers work 12 hour shift, 6-7 days a week...some of them even work on public holidays such as Lunar New Year.
That's what you do, adapt. The Chinese aren't playing to rules that the Americans want. Nothing wrong for them (the Americans) to come up with a new way of dealing with China to keep themselves in the dominant position, just like China is doing to try to take themselves into the dominant position. But I wouldn't say they, the Chinese, have lower costs because they are doing things so much more efficiently. They have lower costs mostly because of the super high subsidization that Chinese industry gets in all sorts of forms - cheap loans, cheap labour (controlled by government dictate), controlled currency, etc. It's not free market economics at work here.
ships can be used for leisure, for transport, for cargo, etc. how come this video only talks about war?
this can make them appear more dangerous
Cause its for the navy..
Beating those war drums again WSJ?
One side always complains, criticizes and bad mouths the other side all the time.
The other side diligently gets things done.
China has an entire news organization to bash the west. No one’s a good guy in civilizations, take the victim status else where
Ship building will never return. End of the story.
Absolutely. My company is pulling manufacturing out of China and into Vietnam or India, NOT back to the USA.
@litesp Chinese trade volume with India, Mexico and Vietnam has also increased last year.
@@litesp No one cares about your single company. China has many income sources.
232 times over the US in 2023. There are over 1,200 shipyards in China.
us ship building was never competitive since Jones act, which was more than 100yrs old by now. even around WII, which was the highlight moment of us shipyards, they built ships at twice the average global cost. now, us ship building cost is more than 10 times the global average.
so only one country in the world can use subsidy?
When china uses subsidies u get ur money's worth.when us uses subsidies,nothing really gets done the project drags on for 7 years and the funds dries up,and then they spend the next 6 years discussing why the initiative was a failure.
We do subsidize industry, the Military Industrial Complex. Why else does the tens of billions “Foreign Aid” we give to Taiwan, Ukraine and Israel come with the requirement for them to buy American weapons? Don’t worry we’re gonna also going to increase the defense budget too so we can subsidize them more.
Because china uses its money wisely by providing susbidies to their own industries , usa wastes its money on dumb boomer politicians , israel and war
This video was posted yesterday? China's 003 aircraft carrier was launched on June 17, 2022, two years ago...
003还没服役呢，根本没有战斗力
China is produced the most steel on earth that why the Chinese are able to build ships very fast, vertical intergration.
Now with new tariffs, steel price outside the US will fall and Chinese ships will be built even cheaper. Lol.
@@MGZetta More profitable ...for the Chinese ship builder or builders.
10 times more then nr 2 two and russia is about tied with US behind them
Same reason why byd is si competitive since they make batteries
@@NeostormXLMAX Yes, BYD also used vertical businesses. The American complained that the Chinese are overproduced their products; they put tariff in very high, from solar panels and now electric vehicles. The American government officials and businessemen don't know the Chinese mindsets. Anyway, The Chinese need charge more what they produce so the Westerners won't complain......LoL.
Don't forget the craftmen, engineers & designers required for shipbuilding.
US sits around and complains; China focuses its energy on building difficult things consistently.
Not really all the time since again the Americans made the best carriers.
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When America do things its called analyzing. When China does things its called copying. 😂
Because they do and America is the topic of the world. Who tf in America is thinking about what a Chinese person did today?
When japan does it it's call reverse engineering.😊😊😊
@@zulkanainbaharuddin2185😁😁😁😁😁
Give me a break.
How much IP have they stolen? Don’t be stupid
The USA is *hopelessly* behind China in shipbuilding capability. It simply cannot provide enough funding to allow the USA to catch up to China. Let's remember that the USA has a $35 trillion national debt (growing by $1 trillion every 100 days).
I own 7 Evergrand Apartments. If Mr Xi was a real man he would make Evergrand finish my apartments so I could retire.
@@artemasward5842 Or Xi can do what Bush and Obama did - by paying off the bankers and screwing the home owners. Xi took a hard line by not bailing out anyone in order to discourage further real estate speculation. He is focusing on building more affordable housing to encourage young couples to start families to address population decline.
As an north American IT worker, I feel blessed. Now I’m in Beijing, most engineers working at least 10 hours per day, 6 days per week. They are talented people with eager to learn and grow. I dreaded to compete with them. At Friday night , the subways are packed with workers going home. It’s big contrast to Silicon Valley highways light traffic at Friday.
You should be thankful, because they work longer hours for probably half your salary, and they endure congested commutes and high housing prices.They live a more depressed life than you do.
North American IT worker who writes English like a Chinese ESL student
@@loremasteringwion9930 seems like a bot the way he wrote that comment .
@@mohitpardeshi Too many bots on yt these days
@@loremasteringwion9930 yeah, you for example.... actually bots are more intelligent.
In short, size does matter. Even an elephant can be killed by millions of fire ants attacking it all at once. If China were to use its shipyards to manufacture cheap AI-powered kamikaze submersible drones at breakneck speed, a 200x difference in production capacity would be a significant advantage. Even the most advanced US ships would be vulnerable to wave upon wave of drone attacks, which could potentially sink the carrier group near China water. China's military production output is what the USA used to be, and potentially even larger than the USA ever was during WW2 in comparison.
US carriers are hard asf to sink
@RandomDude-yv5zfif the ship is relying on ciws for deterrence its already lost
@RandomDude-yv5zfExpand your horizon and imagine the future of wars to come. Ukraine submersible drones sunk Russian ships that had CIWS onboard as well right? Like it or not Air, Land, and Sea drones are part of the future doctrine of network-centric warfare. Stealthy sub bouy or recon drones will act as the sensors for the shooter drone fleet, and a combined arms tactics comprising a barrage of air launched torpedoes, cruise missiles, glide bombs, aerial drones will keep the point defense system of the carrier group busy. Expendable wild weasels drones will try to jam all spectrum of the aircrafts in the sky, Aegis and carrier radar systems. While Hundreds if not thousands of small submersible attack drones will focus it's attack on a designated section of the carrier hull, repeating it's attack on a singular point until the ship is no more, and then move on to other targets in similar fashion. When the day comes when war is inevitable, do you think China will hold back on its attack? It will throw everything at its disposal to sink the carrier group, short of a nuclear strike.
@@juiceontheloose123 60% of the time it works every time 😎
@RandomDude-yv5zfUkraine sunk Russia CIWS eqv ships with submersible drones.
China appears to be the number one economic power house
They aren’t
Just say you hate America...
Lets reflect on this comment in 20 years. The Chinese are able to do this due to a large cheap labor market. Due to the lasting effects of the 1 child Policy, the population is decreasing every year.
After excluding the financial industry, legal industry, and accounting industry, the U.S. economy is smaller than China's
They are just the top industrial powers. Equivalent to the United States and the European Union.
Admire the courage of wsl for not turning off comments 😂
That just one of shipbuilding port of China they have many more
Why does every industry channel only ever cover how "China is dominating the U.S in _________" I have genuinely never seen it the other way around lol
Because that gets views
Yeah I am wondering the same thing. I think it is too convince the public that the USA should spend more on military.
@@johnnybravo964America has already lost sadly. Which worries me as a Canadian, sure the USA has fewer but better ships but currently they have a huge downside. The navy hasn't figured out how to rearm their VLS tubes without returning to a special friendly port. So essentially they could fire their weapons and retreat all the way back to Japan or gaum perhaps further once those ports are knocked out. China will contunie to pump out 200x the gross tonnage.
@@murdercom998 What kind of a conflict are you imagining here? You know, if the Americans are DIRECTLY engaging Chinese naval fleets, the quantity of ships one side has versus the other side would be irrelevant, since they both will shove nukes into each other's faces. Actually, the Russians would join in on that, so it'll be a three-way nuke party.
@@murdercom998 How sure are you that US ships are better, China doesn't own half the market for no reason
They always mention the 11 US carriers. But they are OLD. Only one carrier was recently built. The other 10 is between 30 to 50 years old. Only 4, maybe 5 of the US carriers is seaworthy at anytime.
Carriers today are outdated, they can be destroyed by advanced hypersonic missles and drones. They are huge targets in a big war.
And the carriers are useless, they are so useless that they might aswell don't exist. nobody cares about them not a single country
In the event of a war those carriers are sitting ducks for China's hypersonic missiles.
With hypersonic missiles, those carriers can be sunk at 1/100 of the cost to make it.
Lol u can say the same about russia Warheads,Tanks,Navy .The US keeps up with the maintenance and adds tech into theirs bc they have high budget
Yo insane fearmongering content drop!!!! Can’t wait to see what’s next
Thiiiss
US defense corporations playbook: You cant have more taxpayers money without fearmongering.
misinformation, propaganda
The Jones Act was meant as an indirect subsidy to the American ship building industry. Without the direct subsidies we neither have our cake nor eat it.
The US Government needs to decide, either end the Jones act (thereby reinvigorating domestic water trade) or resume subsidies to ship building (which would by ludicrously costly).
This. The Jones act needs to be repealed as soon as possible. This is a matter of national security.
@@15joradano Jones act, no US mariners. No US mariners, no US maritime power. It’s not just about the shipbuilding, it’s also about who we have running our merchant fleet
can you explain how Jones Act stiffen US shipping industry?
@@donfully Interstate Martine trade is harder when ships cost much more than they need to.
@@donfully it prohibits foreign-made ships to from carrying goods or passengers between 2 US ports. For example, this makes it impossible to ship natural gas domestically, since there are no US made LNG ships.
Keep going China....u have best of luck from a random Indian :)
Britain had the largest navy in the world until they stopped being the superpower....
Well no one is talking about britain here, stop living in the 19th century dude. Also Britain's Naval power was over with the death of the empire , without the empire and the vast colonies britain was never a superpower, infact not even the strongest european power considering how they had the full might of the strongest empire on earth and yet they couldn't win either of World War on their own and needed the american help , not to mention the Soviet Red army fighting in WWII on eastern front
@@exelrode They were always great maritime power, but they were never great land power. The British couldnt take down Napoleon and needed a gang of EU countries.The same story for WWI and WWII.
Now they don't even have an automotive industry. Really a case for study.
@@ozmodiar5561 British economy was actually very dependent on the colonies during the time of the empire, it provided them a huge market for british goods and also working as major source for raw materials which they would import into UK at obviously much lesser cost than they would from a sovereign nation. So as a result british industries were never really able to compete internationally without the colonies to support them
China had the largest navy and largest ships in the Ming Dynasty ( 1368 - 1644 )
What exactly is the point of large Navel vessels after the advent of inter-cotenitial ballistic missiles?
Or mass drone attacks
Subs and drones are the future IMO
It is worthwhile for China to build so large a shipbuilding capacity because it is the most modern in the world with the highest labor productivity.
China is building 4 type 055 destroyers at the same time right now while the USS Constellation is still on PPT
“USTR Initiates Section 301 Investigation of China’s Targeting of the Maritime, Logistics, and Shipbuilding Sectors for Dominance”
Then, there is a video.
good signs that political propaganda industry thriving
6:04 Is China able to build high quality engines for those ships?
US boat builders or military vessel are facing a backlog vs China "overcapacity" ships building. Why?
US can import ships from China, just like many other commodities.
@@jogana6909Americans generally choose Korean shipbuilders when buying ships and rarely buy Chinese ships.
4:50 I think the USS Texas was a relatively poor ship to pick for the photos of aging ships.. considering she's a museum ship that just rewent retrofits.
Lazy journalism or they needed to really make a point
The heart voice of WSJ: China should make shoes, socks and T shirts forever, not chips.
Even if US wanted to upgrade or build boats, it cannot. Where are the manpower to build the boats? Maybe, refugees from South American or Philippines.
US could take their shipbuilding companies to the Philippines or acquire the whole subic port just like they did in the past. Philippines is the fourth biggest shipbuilder after china, japan, and sk plus a very cheap labor.
Biden let a lot of Migrants into US.
Mostly the lack of shipbuilding yards.
No you need skill workers
US did not forget why she got chased out from subic@@k-studio8112
“Too many ships are past their prime”
4:49
Shows what seems to be the USS Texas Battleship which hasn’t seen service since WW2.
In ww2 the usa built a ship yard, the town for its workers and all the roads and infrastructure in 6 months. With competent leaders the USA could ramp up production very fast.
How can you build something better when you dont build them regularly?
"Chinese submarines are several generations behind what the US is _able_ to put into the water"
I found that subtly funny.
Does the US produce anything anymore?
copium
yes US produce the most USD from their super efficiency USD printing machine
US Dollars and inflation.
Politicians
@@PlaYer-sn5or 😂
South Korea: We can produce some ships for you, U.S. 😊😊
Thats smart. Put your warship building capabilities right next to your biggest rival. See nothing wrong with that.
south korea is losing population due to low birth rate and this will not going to match up with China .
@@brian9107 Welcome to Asia geopolitics I guess
@@brian9107 number one and number two rival country, South Korea is too close to Russia and China, and north Korea😂
We all knew you are the terror in Asia
Imagine the impressive ships coming out of China. With that quality of Craftsmanship that China is famous for. The world is trembling. Along with the rattling metal all along China's ships.
China is going to come out for 4 nuclear powered type 004 carriers by 2030
If they ever get one working.
@@jaybee9269 A country that can spit out engineers like nothing, I don't think that's going to be a problem. Its just a matter of time.
@@lyfeofbill2764 >> They are still stealing intellectual property on a massive scale. Can they do anything that requires creativity?
China could do 20 if they spent as much as the us and focused on imperialism. It’s not the countries intention
@@jaybee9269
they got nuke sub already it even easier to put that in a aircraft carrier?
China: builds commercial ships, does business
The US: OMG WHAT IF WE GO TO WAR?
Thanks Reagan 👍
It seems every time we hear about something wrong the US did that ruins things for us now it was because of Reagan. That guy seriously destroyed so much of what made America amazing.
And who elected reagan? Oh the merrican voters. Democracy At it's finest display, isn't it?
We're comparing the no 1 ship builder with the country that does 1%? Why not compare China and Korea?
Korea is starting to lose the race as of last year, primarily due to rising us interest rates. a ship production has a long production cycle so company such as these need to borrow heavily to maintain operations. the Korean shipyards borrow from the global financial system which have their cost increased when us raise its interest rate from 0 to 4%, the chinese shipyard is borrowing from the isolated chinese internal finanical system, and they are reducing interesting rates.
China has an amazing homebuilding capacity. It's working out great for them.
The truth is the cost of labour in US is exorbitant. It is losing in state of the art technology to China. Supply chain chips & rare elements is probably another factor.
China don't know producing items in small quantities 😂😂
I smell jealous here😂😂😂😂
That’s not true at all. Chinese complies can build small batches of high quality products.
@@MasterChief37nah china can’t build high quality anything period😂
@@panacea26947 cope
@@panacea26947 ""China cant build high quality "" cos you not willing to buy high end quality made in China. You get what you pay.
Imagine working in that ship thats easy to replace when lost. Rich people are playing a video game.
Shipbuilding is the most labor intensive industry by far. There is no way the US can match China in the maritime.
They build one cargo ship per day during WWII. If the US really wanted to they could definitely compete.
Indian labor is 1/4 the cost of China. It's not just labor cost or all shipbuilding would be in India and Africa.
@@Melior_Traiano It's not WW2 anymore. Always "If the US really wanted to". If that were the case, they would've done that decades ago, and it's hurting them now. And it's not as easy as you think it is to just put all that infrastructure in place. And forget about the politics associated with such things.
@@Melior_Traiano Wages, experience, corporate profits. Not possible anymore.
@@Flightman453 I never said it would be easy nor that the infrastructure etc. is in place. However, a country with 330 million people, an economic powerhouse, that used to have this capacity in the past, could rebuild it again if it really wanted / needed to.
Shipbuilding industry is not just about shipping. It's entire industrial chain from steel to ship. There's hundreds of supplier is needed to support 1 shipyard. You can actually link comprehensive national strength with ship or aircraft manufacturing capability. United States has aircraft advantages now.
Quite right, China's steel production is 1 billion tons per annum, the highest ever achieved by any country with and without war.
nice to see a no BS video
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every empire falls, then rises another. thats just how it is
ths soviets, germans, and japanese thought the same thing
@@dfdf-rj8jrIt's foolish to compare China with these countries.
@@MJ-revered the british and french thought the same as well, when the us mangled their colonies. what is different about china, aside from population?
For a low cost Maintenance and repair of the US Navy Ship, USA or the US Navy should have a NASSCO type Repair and Maintenance shipyard in Subic Bay Philippines
The US government needs to reinstate subsidies to help revive its shipbuilding industry and emulate China's civil-military fusion strategy to improve economies of scale and speed of construction. .
The more subsidies you give, the more profit will be made by the private industry who can kick $ back to the politicians. The problem is building for profit rather than building for purpose.
Not possible. The U.S is run by capital
Instead of wasting money on US shipbuilding for the Navy, why doesn't it sub out these ships to say South Korea or Japan that has these capabilities? If there is a conflict with China, those countries are nearer to China to be able to repair naval vessels also.
Russia is considering buying frigates from China and it is buying merchant ships from China.
don't be silly, those budget is for the perks not for war
Do keep in mind that Korea will not want to be drawn into a war due to its own internal situation. As for Japan, even if they are dumb enough to participate, it's solidly within range of chinese missiles.
Nothing says global superpower like relying on another country to build your warships for you... perhaps bring those jobs back to the US and correct the failures of the past administrations.
Man, censorship is wild here. I didn't even say anything controversial.
Anyway, this plan does not work.
The fact that you think any sort of conflict with China would be successful if the US placed it's naval facilities directly within China's sphere of influence, across many thousands of miles of ocean from the American mainland, is a prototypal example of why Americans and America are falling like Rome.
WSJ yesterday: China will collapse; WSJ today: China is threatening; WSJ tomorrow: China will collapse again.
Relying on Korea for ships wouldn't make sense during war either, because china can easily cripple Korea's ship building industry, to make sure the US struggles to repair damaged ships, and struggles to replaced ships that were destroyed.
What doesn't make any sense whatsoever is war.
Well, then Japan is a choice, because Japan is a little farther away than Korea!
But the same applies to China. Currently China makes all their ships besides submarines on the coast which would be easily attacked by U.S. in a war. Of course SK and Japan can also be attacked
@@dailyrant4068 no they wouldn't lol
Mainland china, just like mainland US, has extremely sophisticated air defences.
The US, had to create a new stealth bomber specifically for china just because of China's increasingly sophisticated air defences.
China's anti access denial technology would prevent Americans from intervening in Taiwan.
So, the US wanted a way to penetrate China's anti access denial strategy with ease by created a next generation stealth bomber.
And to their disappointment, china has made significant progress in anti stealth radars in the last few years.
This technology is growing increasingly more robust, making stealth bombers potentially vulnerable.
@@dailyrant4068 and not only that... China's spy satellites are capable of spotting and tracking stealth bombers in real time.
They don't use radars. These are purely optical.
When they spot the bomber heading in China's direction...they would send stealth fighters to intercept it.
Or, they will send warnings, if the US doesn't turn the stealth bomber around, they would launch missiles.
China, Japan, South Korea. Eastern Asia Power.
s the US going to complain about China over-capacity on ship building, too?
Go China!
In other words, we don't build ships in America because the ship building companies got super greedy and can't compete with China with their fair pricing. That's the whole video. You can waste your time watching it, but it's just mostly people complaining how it's unfair.
I see jealousy here from America 🇺🇸
Nah! Contempt.
US Carriers are dinosaurs...hypersonic missiles now rule the waves.
which the US doesnt have yet China and Russia does. even Iran got Hypersonic missiles
Last time i heard west was saying china was collapsing or something? What happened?
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If a Chinese farts,then it is also something to do with american security.
Navy ,give the contract to China, They can built faster and more cheaper prices….lol
Japan was number 1 for number of years. then South Korea moved in. China followed, it took some years for China to catch up, master what it learned, and then become number 1.
In summary, China should not do anything better and stay poor, whereas USA should always be making all the money and be rich.
Until they’re able to match the US Navy’s recent history of collisions with merchant vessels, they ain’t diddly squat.
Chinese ships are colliding with Filipino ships all the time.
USS Bonhomme Richard. Self erasing.
that is a feature not a bug@@SpazzyMcGee1337
You talk about history we in the present here😂😂😂
@@SpazzyMcGee1337 Let the insurance companies work out who hit whom.