Thanks! I enjoy your content. I stopped in the shoppe on my way back to Iowa from Arkansas and met Cory who was GREAT to me and really informative! Thanks to you all!
Yes, all of them are good, but for a bluegrass ear, it is your Santa Cruz and then the Bourgeois for me. I love Bluegrass more than all other genres. I've been listening to this for nearly 70 years. You guys did a wonderful job explaining and then at the end, the smooth transition between each of them, demonstrating their sound. What a choice!!!!
I thought I remember reading that one of the first owners of The Guitar played with a brass pick and wore one side of the hole out, which was why it had to be enlarged. My first really good acoustic was a Martin HD-28 LSV. I played the heck out of it for many years but ultimately let it go, which I regret. A few years ago I got myself a Bourgeois D-LSH (#8788 featured on the website) and it is absolutely incredible. I'd love to try all of these in the same room! The Atkins is sweet. Thanks for the shootout!
After Tony's passing, I watched the great video show by Bryan Sutton called "Me and His Guitar ". Fantastic! It's 3 hours long. I was glued for the entire time. Still out there on UA-cam.
I have a Mitchell dread guitar that I cut the sound hole out to 4 and 3/4 in. and did a lot of fret work and bone nut and saddle replacement and it friggin rips....
Hey I’ve been looking at the bourgeois standard you guys have I need to know 4 things. Can it hold a Rice tune? Can it hold a Kenny Smith tune? Can it hold Black Mountain Rag? And would Josh Williams play it?. Send a video answer me questions if possible.
The short answer is , yes, yes, yes & I think Kenny and Josh have both played it. Give us a call at the shoppe and we can answer any questions, and maybe give you a quick video demo of it. 417-720-1223
Years ago I got a steal on a used Santa Cruz Tony rice professional. Took a fall and had a big dent in the wood on the back of the neck. Still played and sounded amazing. Got it "cheap".
Billy Strings just bought the Tony Rice's personal Santa Cruz Tony Rice Pro. Rumor has it he paid in the neighborhood of 30k it was a prototype and didn't have T.R.'s signature but came with a hand signed letter from Tony detailing the fine points of the guitar.
Crazy to me how similar the Santa Cruz snd Bourgeois sounded. Then the rest sounded similar to one another other than the Huss & Dalton, which had some cool hollowness going on in the mids. Can’t go wrong with any of them.
Good ear. They're both brash and lacking that harmonic magic that comes from the best Martins. Something about the bracing or wood thickness. Maybe the sides are too thick.
58957: Tony Rice and his Holy Grail Martin D-28 By Art Dudley Here's the story of the enlarged soundhole and fingerboard. Clarence didn't enlarge the soundhole. He found it in a pawn shop that way for $25. And then: "The White brothers took the unstrung guitar home, hoping their father could bring it back to life, but the minute he cast an eye on the ratty-looking D-28, the elder White declared it a hopeless cause. Some anonymous whittler had carved the poor thing’s soundhole away to the centermost rosette rings, leaving an opening almost 4 5/8” in diameter. Its original fingerboard was missing entirely, temporarily replaced with an ebony board that was held to the neck with tape. The pickguard was peeling away from the top, and it took the boys only a short time to coax it the rest of the way off. The next day, Roland and Clarence brought their Martin to luthier Milt Owen, who would eventually gain fame as Hollywood’s “guru of guitar repair” for his work at Barney Kessel’s shop. Nothing could be done about the soundhole, of course, but he rooted through his parts bin and came up with a fingerboard that fit well enough: a white, plastic-bound Gretsch blank with 22 frets, the spacing of which was based on a scale almost the same as that of a Martin dreadnought." So, that's how Clarence found his famous D-28.
There is a Martin Brazilian Rosewood version of the Clarence White as well. At one I owned both the Indian Rosewood and the Brazilian rosewood version. I sold the Indian Rosewood version and still keep the CWB well played.
The best video ever! I would choose your Santa Cruz. Also I think a little bit less compression on audio would benefit the differences between the guitars a bit more. Thanx for great videos. Cheers from Slovenia
I know this is an old video but it sure is awesome and thank you for it. That Atkin is a beast and my pick of those for sound. Proof that you don’t HAVE to get Brazilian and Adirondack. Does anyone know where Tony’s guitar is? Still with the family? I’ve always anticipated a high profile auction or something for that guitar. I’d like to see an awesome picker own it and actually play it. I’m sure it would bring a fortune however…
This was your best video, great comparison test. That guitar of yours was a really great sounding guitar, had great highs & great low end. Love a guitar like that. Your lucky because the 80's typically were not good years for getting great sounding guitars.Thats all I got, See Ya
I wish there was equal playing to talking. Is there a part 2? Must say the Atkin sounded best to my ears. I’ve owned a Brazilian and Indian CWs. Loved them both. I have a 1934 D Brazilian now that I feel was a missing entry here. Best guitar I’ve played all around and looks exactly like a Tony rice model. Not sure of the differences though.
I wonder if the real Rice guitar were included in a blind test how the choices would turn out. Could it be that the ratings would be different and the Rice guitar may not come in first?
To me, it sounded like a tie between the Atkin and the Collings. What surprised me the most was how much less presence the Martin had. The others sounded great as well but they all seemed to share a bit of extraneous sympathetic ringing that took away from the tone and support of the fundamental.
I have read conflicting stories about the sound hole. In each story, the sound hole was enlarged to cut out some damaged areas around the sound hole. One story tells us that Clearance did the work and the other story tells us that the sound hole was already enlarged before Clearance purchased it. Clearance was the one that shot the guitar with a pellet gun though.
I was told by a respected bluegrass musician who knew Roland White that the guitar was a wreck and the sound-hole had been eaten by mice around the edge, so they cut it away to tidy it up. It also had a Gibson neck on it.
I've re-watched the showdown a few times, those are all amazing instruments, but when he started playing yours, it set me back a little bit it may very well be my favorite
Would you mind reassembling all those same guitars so they can be heard by the player as they are played? Asking for a friend. On a cursory hearing on my mac the Atkin takes it. The SCGC is second. I don't know if hearing them from the player's perspective would change my opinion. Martin, Collings, Bourgeois, and Huss & Dalton were darker, but I might prefer that in person and I might think the Atkin is too bright. All are great guitars. I took lots of photos of TR's SCGC as of 2006 or so at a fester where he was playing. It was airing out on a bench in the artist's area so I was careful not to drop my ten pound camera on it! as I hovered over it Actually was just a cell phone. Of course most of the pics were of Tony, not his guitar. 58957 did not attend. The other major disappointment was Tony didn't offer to take me for a ride in his hot rod black Mustang! lol The only guitar Tony signed there was my son's guitar for me. My son treasures it. Thanks for this comparison, guys!
@@78ramcharger53 I was simply answering a question YOU asked. Why did you ask if you were just gonna be a jerk to someone who took the time to answer? Weird.
When Clarence and Roland bought the guitar from the original McCabe's in Long Beach California…the sound hole was already enlarged. Although Clarence did take a pocket knife and evened up some of the tattered sound hole.
I was told by a respected bluegrass musician who knew Roland White that the guitar was a wreck and the sound-hole had been eaten by mice around the edge, so they cut it away to tidy it up. It also had the wrong fret board.
Build all you want but there is only one 58957. Plus you could put the original in 5 peoples hands and you will never get out of it what Tony could. I’m glad the Antique is safe and sound in the Rice family.
They were all really close and great guitars in their own way, but The bourgeois had the total package. That all had different qualities, but it had the most complexity and bark at the same time. Plenty of depth, sustain and rosewood metallic reverb. Your Santa Cruz had the most aged, dry, woody sound and I bet it would fit the best in a mix.
Please don't share the mistaken idea that Clarence White carved the larger soundhole. That had been done before he and Roland bought the guitar. There's enough nonsense about the large soundhole anyway... Tony Rice even stated that he didn't think if made any difference.
@@trentpuskorius Subjectively... Here's what Tony Rice said in an interview about Santa Cruz copies. It's really supposed to be about his guitar, right? And, it still isn't true that White cut the soundhole... Q: So they enlarged the soundhole. TR: Yes, but it does not alter the sound. It's only cosmetics, just looks. Q: You mean the sound does not improve when you enlarge the soundhole? TR: I don't think so. It's just the way it looks. Maybe the sound gets worse if the soundhole is enlarged. Since Clarence's D-28 was so well recognized with the enlarged soundhole, they built the Tony Rice model with the larger soundhole. Good sounding pre-war Martins have the regular soundhole.
Oh it makes a difference. It radically shortens some vibrating dimensions. But that's not to say its better, just that its going to change some frequency response, probably more in the upper harmonics.
White declared it a hopeless cause. Some anonymous whittler had carved the poor thing’s soundhole away to the centermost rosette rings, leaving an opening almost 4 5/8” in diameter. Its original fingerboard was missing entirely, temporarily replaced with an ebony board that was held to the neck with tape. The pickguard was peeling away from the top, and it took the boys only a short time to coax it the rest of the way off.
Yes, I read the same story that when Clarence found his 1935 D-28, it already had the soundhole enlarged by the previous owner. Plus, the neck on Clarence's 28 had a bound fingerboard from an old Gretsch acoustic that had 22 frets.
I found the real story that I posted here about Clarence and his brother Roland finding the D-28 in a pawn shop for $25. Clarence didn't enlarge the soundhole and the fingerboard is from a 22 fret Gretsch with the same scale as Martin.
@@martymcpeak4748 Indeed, I'm only buttressing what you are saying. We're both on the same page. Seems that Jeremy in the above Shoppe Video has his info backwards where he stated that Clarence carved out the larger Soundhole. Don't know where Jeremy got that story. It goes against all the documentation I've read about 58957, both from the Clarence White pre-history perspective to the Tony Rice post-history side of the story. I do know that after Tony bought it for about $550 around 1973, it was always in the shop (many different shops around the country). It got flooded out once in Florida and Tony couldn't play it for like 3 years after that. If it's not the "most storied" guitar in the history of Flat-top Bluegrass guitars, it's probably one of the top 3 most storied guitars. Plus, just look at all the variations on the same guitar played above by John. And played very well too.
I have a SC 1986. Feels like flying a Spitfire. The neck is a dream, you want to pick it up, play it forever. The tone is a sweet voice. When I play it in the kitchen… for hours… I have my conversations with god. But it can’t defend itself in a session. 🤷🏻♂️ I will never part with it.
Should’ve called SoundWeaver Studios. He owns Tony’s Santa Cruz. His #2 guitar. The one on Tone Poems and some other albums. He probably would’ve brought it down. Could’ve compared one of Tony’s actual guitars to the copies.
Aaaargh! Is there a second part video where you actually do the shootout??? A 55 second shootout at the end of the video for all SIX guitars playing mostly flatpick lead in the root position?? For those who want to skip the 20 minutes of chat, jump to 20:50 to see the quick "shootout."
It was for the entire picking world, not just you. Obviously there were things to explain to those who haven't read the articles, seen the specs on each guitar, heard the folklore. That explains the talking, anyway. I didn't care so much for the sound sample format as each guitar was in a different part of the break. But how important is that in the long run (?) - other versions of these same models are going to sound different anyway (the ones a person might actually end up being able to purchase). John mentioned in a comment their willingness to do a custom sound sample if a player was interested in buying one. Now, why all the entitlement/attitude/rudeness on the listener side?
Martin crushes it, thank the Lord from.Nazareth. Atkins, good. Santa Cruz, messy but decent. Bourgeois, ugh, learn how to scallop. Confused sounding. Collings, second place, and really nice. Huss and Dalton, stringy, but maybe you like that. Elixirs?
I watch the first 4 minutes then got wise and skipped through. I never found a note played. The video reminds me why guitar prices are beyond the stratosphere -- because wealthy collectors buy them up as investments and to hoard as trophies in their vaults and display cases while real guitar players, even virtuosos, save for years to possibly some day buy one. All the while prices keep soring. If some player ever does save enough to buy one, they could never risk playing it at a live venue. So, I just cross my fingers that companies like boss and line 6 focus on emulating accoustic guitars with advanced technology and are so successful that the value of the real McCoy's including great clones bottoms out.
The Martin is by far the weakest sounding, the others all sound great in their way. There are individual quirks to them. I think it's a toss up between Atkin and Bourgeois for best. I hope the issues with the Martin are because it hasn't been played yet.
I've ffwded through this whole video. Did you guys actually PLAY any of the guitars. I picked 10 random spots and you were talking every time. I finally gave up and am going to listen to Manzanita.
Thanks! I enjoy your content. I stopped in the shoppe on my way back to Iowa from Arkansas and met Cory who was GREAT to me and really informative! Thanks to you all!
Thanks so much for stopping by!
Great job on edits at the end for seamless continuous playing yet with different guitars. Not a small thing, appreciate the time and care here
Awesome. This was one of the most enjoyable guitar comparison videos that I've seen.
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Yes, all of them are good, but for a bluegrass ear, it is your Santa Cruz and then the Bourgeois for me. I love Bluegrass more than all other genres. I've been listening to this for nearly 70 years. You guys did a wonderful job explaining and then at the end, the smooth transition between each of them, demonstrating their sound. What a choice!!!!
I thought I remember reading that one of the first owners of The Guitar played with a brass pick and wore one side of the hole out, which was why it had to be enlarged. My first really good acoustic was a Martin HD-28 LSV. I played the heck out of it for many years but ultimately let it go, which I regret. A few years ago I got myself a Bourgeois D-LSH (#8788 featured on the website) and it is absolutely incredible. I'd love to try all of these in the same room! The Atkins is sweet. Thanks for the shootout!
After Tony's passing, I watched the great video show by Bryan Sutton called "Me and His Guitar ". Fantastic! It's 3 hours long. I was glued for the entire time. Still out there on UA-cam.
Thanks for the tip about keeping the case's lid strap outside of the case so it won't possibly harm the guitar's finish!
You got it! 👍
I didn't see the Martin HD-28 LSV (Larger Soundhole Vintage). But I know it's hard to have them all at once.
I have a red spruce topped LSV from early 2000, and it's a romping good guitar.
Atkin and the Santa Cruz were my top two picks. Thanks for the video it was great!
I have a Mitchell dread guitar that I cut the sound hole out to 4 and 3/4 in. and did a lot of fret work and bone nut and saddle replacement and it friggin rips....
Hey I’ve been looking at the bourgeois standard you guys have I need to know 4 things. Can it hold a Rice tune? Can it hold a Kenny Smith tune? Can it hold Black Mountain Rag? And would Josh Williams play it?. Send a video answer me questions if possible.
The short answer is , yes, yes, yes & I think Kenny and Josh have both played it. Give us a call at the shoppe and we can answer any questions, and maybe give you a quick video demo of it. 417-720-1223
Super idea nd well executed. They all sounded great but my ear is with the Santa Cruz.
Years ago I got a steal on a used Santa Cruz Tony rice professional. Took a fall and had a big dent in the wood on the back of the neck. Still played and sounded amazing. Got it "cheap".
Billy Strings just bought the Tony Rice's personal Santa Cruz Tony Rice Pro. Rumor has it he paid in the neighborhood of 30k it was a prototype and didn't have T.R.'s signature but came with a hand signed letter from Tony detailing the fine points of the guitar.
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I'm now subscribed and getting all notifications, I thought I subbed already sorry about that.
What the FIRST comment was....
MORE playing and LESS talking...
please and thank you! Also would be nice to get a comp on
PRICE 😊
Well well...... The Huss & Dalton @21:35 crushes!!
All seriously great sounding guitars.
Absolutely. Thanks for watching!😄
I watched all that for 45 sec of guitar playing....awesome
Crazy to me how similar the Santa Cruz snd Bourgeois sounded. Then the rest sounded similar to one another other than the Huss & Dalton, which had some cool hollowness going on in the mids.
Can’t go wrong with any of them.
Good ear. They're both brash and lacking that harmonic magic that comes from the best Martins. Something about the bracing or wood thickness. Maybe the sides are too thick.
58957: Tony Rice and his Holy Grail Martin D-28
By Art Dudley
Here's the story of the enlarged soundhole and fingerboard. Clarence didn't enlarge the soundhole. He found it in a pawn shop that way for $25.
And then:
"The White brothers took the unstrung guitar home, hoping their father could bring it back to life, but the minute he cast an eye on the ratty-looking D-28, the elder White declared it a hopeless cause. Some anonymous whittler had carved the poor thing’s soundhole away to the centermost rosette rings, leaving an opening almost 4 5/8” in diameter. Its original fingerboard was missing entirely, temporarily replaced with an ebony board that was held to the neck with tape. The pickguard was peeling away from the top, and it took the boys only a short time to coax it the rest of the way off. The next day, Roland and Clarence brought their Martin to luthier Milt Owen, who would eventually gain fame as Hollywood’s “guru of guitar repair” for his work at Barney Kessel’s shop.
Nothing could be done about the soundhole, of course, but he rooted through his parts bin and came up with a fingerboard that fit well enough: a white, plastic-bound Gretsch blank with 22 frets, the spacing of which was based on a scale almost the same as that of a Martin dreadnought."
So, that's how Clarence found his famous D-28.
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There is a Martin Brazilian Rosewood version of the Clarence White as well. At one I owned both the Indian Rosewood and the Brazilian rosewood version. I sold the Indian Rosewood version and still keep the CWB well played.
I have a CWB since new. Its indescribable...
The best video ever! I would choose your Santa Cruz. Also I think a little bit less compression on audio would benefit the differences between the guitars a bit more. Thanx for great videos. Cheers from Slovenia
I have a Martin HD-28 lsv in Brazilian rosewood from 1999 and it sounds amazing!!!!
I know this is an old video but it sure is awesome and thank you for it. That Atkin is a beast and my pick of those for sound. Proof that you don’t HAVE to get Brazilian and Adirondack. Does anyone know where Tony’s guitar is? Still with the family? I’ve always anticipated a high profile auction or something for that guitar. I’d like to see an awesome picker own it and actually play it. I’m sure it would bring a fortune however…
We're not 100% sure but we assume that the guitar has actually stayed in the Rice family and is most likely owned by his brother.
@@AcousticShoppe I hadn’t even thought about Wyatt. A good chance you are right here. Thanks
This was your best video, great comparison test. That guitar of yours was a really great sounding
guitar, had great highs & great low end. Love a guitar like that. Your lucky because the 80's typically
were not good years for getting great sounding guitars.Thats all I got, See Ya
I wish there was equal playing to talking. Is there a part 2? Must say the Atkin sounded best to my ears. I’ve owned a Brazilian and Indian CWs. Loved them both. I have a 1934 D Brazilian now that I feel was a missing entry here. Best guitar I’ve played all around and looks exactly like a Tony rice model. Not sure of the differences though.
I liked the Atkin as well
I have to agree too much talking on this one!
Awesomeness! !! Love this
Thank you! Cheers!
I wonder if the real Rice guitar were included in a blind test how the choices would turn out. Could it be that the ratings would be different and the Rice guitar may not come in first?
That would be interesting! Wish we could've pulled that off!
Too much fun you guys.
To me, it sounded like a tie between the Atkin and the Collings. What surprised me the most was how much less presence the Martin had. The others sounded great as well but they all seemed to share a bit of extraneous sympathetic ringing that took away from the tone and support of the fundamental.
I have read conflicting stories about the sound hole. In each story, the sound hole was enlarged to cut out some damaged areas around the sound hole. One story tells us that Clearance did the work and the other story tells us that the sound hole was already enlarged before Clearance purchased it.
Clearance was the one that shot the guitar with a pellet gun though.
I was told by a respected bluegrass musician who knew Roland White that the guitar was a wreck and the sound-hole had been eaten by mice around the edge, so they cut it away to tidy it up. It also had a Gibson neck on it.
@@williampinnock2256 I read that the fret board was replaced with a Gretsch fret board, not Gibson.
@@dalesearcy5734 yup, sorry, my mistake, it was Gretsch and just the fret board.
that was cool! thanks! i like you'all! yer pretty funny & great pickers!
no not a pawn sho p and the sound hole was already done they bought it at mccabes in santa monica
I think the Atkin took it. Very round with great punch. The front edge of the notes had a lot of impact without harshness.
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I have 2 of the 1st White Rices Alister built. They are both cannons.
Best video ever!
Thank you so much!
I own that Atkin it's a beast. These are all great guitars. Best comparison ever. These guys are great to deal with. I highly recommend them.
Thanks Ronnie! Also, thanks for your business. Glad the Atkin is treating you well!
I've re-watched the showdown a few times, those are all amazing instruments, but when he started playing yours, it set me back a little bit it may very well be my favorite
"....the most well known Bluegrass guitar players: Tony Rice and Clearance White."
When did Clarence go on sale?
Would you mind reassembling all those same guitars so they can be heard by the player as they are played? Asking for a friend. On a cursory hearing on my mac the Atkin takes it. The SCGC is second. I don't know if hearing them from the player's perspective would change my opinion. Martin, Collings, Bourgeois, and Huss & Dalton were darker, but I might prefer that in person and I might think the Atkin is too bright. All are great guitars.
I took lots of photos of TR's SCGC as of 2006 or so at a fester where he was playing. It was airing out on a bench in the artist's area so I was careful not to drop my ten pound camera on it! as I hovered over it Actually was just a cell phone. Of course most of the pics were of Tony, not his guitar. 58957 did not attend. The other major disappointment was Tony didn't offer to take me for a ride in his hot rod black Mustang! lol The only guitar Tony signed there was my son's guitar for me. My son treasures it. Thanks for this comparison, guys!
I really think the Atkin model was the best sounding.
Atkin is doing some great stuff!
I wonder what will happen to Toni's martin,who it will go to.
Wyatt
@@popsinabox is that a fact ? Or a guess? There's alot of value in that guitar
@@78ramcharger53 it isn’t hard to look up. People who know have gone on record saying that Wyatt has 58957
@@popsinabox I don't have to look it up ,you have all the answers.
@@78ramcharger53 I was simply answering a question YOU asked. Why did you ask if you were just gonna be a jerk to someone who took the time to answer? Weird.
The Martin was my choice. Runner up was the Huss & Dalton. Thanks for making this happen!
They are all so great. Thanks for watching and subscribing to our channel, see you on the next one.
same.
Yeah , but what do they sound like ?
I can say for sure that Tony Rice made me want to play guitar. RIP
Tony used Monel strings, that would make it closer to his sound to use them on these instead of Bronze wound. Good video, thanks.
All good. I only wish my Gary Cotten made version could’ve been a part of this, but it’s really in a class of its own LOLOL.
When Clarence and Roland bought the guitar from the original McCabe's in Long Beach California…the sound hole was already enlarged. Although Clarence did take a pocket knife and evened up some of the tattered sound hole.
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We all know that story from Tony Rice
@@cajunguitarman ..Well…you know it again.
I was told by a respected bluegrass musician who knew Roland White that the guitar was a wreck and the sound-hole had been eaten by mice around the edge, so they cut it away to tidy it up. It also had the wrong fret board.
@@williampinnock2256 ….The neck is a Martin neck. The fingerboard was changed.
Build all you want but there is only one 58957. Plus you could put the original in 5 peoples hands and you will never get out of it what Tony could. I’m glad the Antique is safe and sound in the Rice family.
ATKIN #1 Santa Cruz#2
Collings, Martin, Santa Cruz, Bourgeois, H and D
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They were all really close and great guitars in their own way, but The bourgeois had the total package. That all had different qualities, but it had the most complexity and bark at the same time. Plenty of depth, sustain and rosewood metallic reverb. Your Santa Cruz had the most aged, dry, woody sound and I bet it would fit the best in a mix.
They all had excellent sound good picking. Maybe what would make the difference is how they sound down the neck.
Please don't share the mistaken idea that Clarence White carved the larger soundhole. That had been done before he and Roland bought the guitar. There's enough nonsense about the large soundhole anyway... Tony Rice even stated that he didn't think if made any difference.
@@trentpuskorius Subjectively... Here's what Tony Rice said in an interview about Santa Cruz copies. It's really supposed to be about his guitar, right? And, it still isn't true that White cut the soundhole...
Q: So they enlarged the soundhole.
TR: Yes, but it does not alter the sound. It's only cosmetics, just looks.
Q: You mean the sound does not improve when you enlarge the soundhole?
TR: I don't think so. It's just the way it looks. Maybe the sound gets worse if the soundhole is enlarged. Since Clarence's D-28 was so well recognized with the enlarged soundhole, they built the Tony Rice model with the larger soundhole. Good sounding pre-war Martins have the regular soundhole.
@@trentpuskorius Apparently, not to Tony Rice... what does HE know, right? It's the only reason the big hole is even being discussed...
@@trentpuskorius It will change to you! I trust TR... I don't see your name on a guitar...
Oh it makes a difference. It radically shortens some vibrating dimensions. But that's not to say its better, just that its going to change some frequency response, probably more in the upper harmonics.
@@carlosreira413 even Tony Rice disagrees with this…
White declared it a hopeless cause. Some anonymous whittler had carved the poor thing’s soundhole away to the centermost rosette rings, leaving an opening almost 4 5/8” in diameter. Its original fingerboard was missing entirely, temporarily replaced with an ebony board that was held to the neck with tape. The pickguard was peeling away from the top, and it took the boys only a short time to coax it the rest of the way off.
Martin was the best replica. Atkin took the win for best sound for me with the SCGC a very close second. That Atkin is a cannon.
I have 2 of the White Rice and they are cannons.
I think the Santa Cruz has that punch and clarity that just stands out. Maybe because of all the playing it has received 🤔. The Atkin is a close 2nd
Sadly you left out the best one. The 1994 Martin HD28 Grand Marquis - Large Sound Hole. Best post 60’s acoustic I’ve ever played.
Tony told Josh Williams the 28 already had the sound hole cut and had no fretboard when Clarence White and his brother got it.
Yes, I read the same story that when Clarence found his 1935 D-28, it already had the soundhole enlarged by the previous owner. Plus, the neck on Clarence's 28 had a bound fingerboard from an old Gretsch acoustic that had 22 frets.
I found the real story that I posted here about Clarence and his brother Roland finding the D-28 in a pawn shop for $25. Clarence didn't enlarge the soundhole and the fingerboard is from a 22 fret Gretsch with the same scale as Martin.
I was going by what Tony told Josh.
@@martymcpeak4748
Indeed, I'm only buttressing what you are saying. We're both on the same page.
Seems that Jeremy in the above Shoppe Video has his info backwards where he stated that Clarence carved out the larger Soundhole. Don't know where Jeremy got that story. It goes against all the documentation I've read about 58957, both from the Clarence White pre-history perspective to the Tony Rice post-history side of the story. I do know that after Tony bought it for about $550 around 1973, it was always in the shop (many different shops around the country).
It got flooded out once in Florida and Tony couldn't play it for like 3 years after that. If it's not the "most storied" guitar in the history of Flat-top Bluegrass guitars, it's probably one of the top 3 most storied guitars.
Plus, just look at all the variations on the same guitar played above by John. And played very well too.
@@timmcgurl My apologies Tim, I completely read that wrong.
Atkin was the best. John you are a great guitarist.
Those Atkins are the real deal! Thanks for watching! Feel free to like, share, and subscribe if you haven't already😄
It would be awesome if Eastman made a version. E20d-TC-TR maybe? 🤔
That would be pretty cool, maybe one day!
@@AcousticShoppe And... that day is here!
For me it’s a tie between the Martin and the Bourgeois
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My fave is the H& D. Would love to have the 7 grand it costs.
I have a SC 1986. Feels like flying a Spitfire. The neck is a dream, you want to pick it up, play it forever. The tone is a sweet voice. When I play it in the kitchen… for hours… I have my conversations with god. But it can’t defend itself in a session. 🤷🏻♂️ I will never part with it.
Damn, they ALL win!
The pilgrim huss and Dalton was the very best
I think the holy grail is 4 and 4/8th sound hole
The Clarance White Martin is signed by his daughter Michelle
I would, by what I heard on this video, choose the Atkins.
You would not be disappointed!
I personally thing the Bourgeois, Atkin, and Huss & Dalton sound the best.
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Clarence White did not cut out the sound hole. It was like that when they found it. Get ur story straight boys!!
Where was the Eastman
Which one?
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HUSS & DALTON the PILGRIM is killer.
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they bought it at mcabes santa monica clarence dad bought it for 25.00
Should’ve called SoundWeaver Studios. He owns Tony’s Santa Cruz. His #2 guitar. The one on Tone Poems and some other albums. He probably would’ve brought it down. Could’ve compared one of Tony’s actual guitars to the copies.
That would've been amazing. Perhaps we should do a part 2...?
@@AcousticShoppepart 2 coming !!
Gotta say the Santa Cruz.
1. Martin
2. Santa Cruz
3. Collins
Why don’t you guys get Eastman to build us one of that model so the working man can have one
-if you want a replication of the 'tony rice' pickguard as seen on the Atkin white rice head over to tortoguard
Very good to know, we will have to check them out! Thanks for watching.
Aaaargh! Is there a second part video where you actually do the shootout??? A 55 second shootout at the end of the video for all SIX guitars playing mostly flatpick lead in the root position??
For those who want to skip the 20 minutes of chat, jump to 20:50 to see the quick "shootout."
excellent alternative pick talking
I thought the Atkin was awesome 👌
We love Atkin guitars!!
I would expect a guitar dealer to know exactly who's signature is in the guitar they are selling. Maybe do a little research first?
Oh boy... you're right. We deal with so many guitars daily that it's hard to get everything perfect. Thanks for watching.
Atkins took the win Santana Cruz was second.
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the prewar had a gretsh fingerboard on it and clarence hated that guitar
20:51 minutes quark quark quark 🐸
20 min of talkin'... 2 min of picking... why?
It was for the entire picking world, not just you. Obviously there were things to explain to those who haven't read the articles, seen the specs on each guitar, heard the folklore. That explains the talking, anyway. I didn't care so much for the sound sample format as each guitar was in a different part of the break. But how important is that in the long run (?) - other versions of these same models are going to sound different anyway (the ones a person might actually end up being able to purchase). John mentioned in a comment their willingness to do a custom sound sample if a player was interested in buying one.
Now, why all the entitlement/attitude/rudeness on the listener side?
i love all these videos with you guys, but dang.....20 minutes of talking and under 2 minutes of playing? Did i miss a part 2 or something?
Martin crushes it, thank the Lord from.Nazareth. Atkins, good. Santa Cruz, messy but decent. Bourgeois, ugh, learn how to scallop. Confused sounding. Collings, second place, and really nice. Huss and Dalton, stringy, but maybe you like that. Elixirs?
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@@AcousticShoppe Actually the best Bourgeois ever. It's a mellow Martin, but really complex and sweet. Not that loud. Thanks for the reply, bruddahs.
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I watch the first 4 minutes then got wise and skipped through. I never found a note played. The video reminds me why guitar prices are beyond the stratosphere -- because wealthy collectors buy them up as investments and to hoard as trophies in their vaults and display cases while real guitar players, even virtuosos, save for years to possibly some day buy one. All the while prices keep soring. If some player ever does save enough to buy one, they could never risk playing it at a live venue. So, I just cross my fingers that companies like boss and line 6 focus on emulating accoustic guitars with advanced technology and are so successful that the value of the real McCoy's including great clones bottoms out.
20:50 for the tone samples😉
martins was not a prewar
First thing I noticed in this video was that the bald guy is rude as hell.
clarence did not enlarge sound it was already done when he bought it by the way clarence hated that guitar
The Martin is by far the weakest sounding, the others all sound great in their way. There are individual quirks to them. I think it's a toss up between Atkin and Bourgeois for best.
I hope the issues with the Martin are because it hasn't been played yet.
none of them sound like the prewar
I've ffwded through this whole video. Did you guys actually PLAY any of the guitars. I picked 10 random spots and you were talking every time. I finally gave up and am going to listen to Manzanita.
20:50 - Tone Samples
4 and 5/8ths sorry
Bourgeois for the win....
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A little less slapstick and a little more guitar in your videos. Thanks
Thanks for the tip!
C’mon guys, shuddup and play. This amounts to little more than an advertisement.
The overly echoey room and the poor mic choice spoil what could have been a good shootout.
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That's a pile of money right there.
Yes sir, all great guitars!