How to Think About Minecraft Lore | Deep Dive
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2021
- Attempting to find the lore of a game like Minecraft is tricky - here is how I approach it, and why you should do the same!
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Even if there's no lore... it's still fun to think about
And if there's no lore, it can be a blank canvas for our own creativity and lore
Exactly, which is why even if the creators never intended for the lore to be a real thing, like they just thought, hey wouldn't it be cool if there was a mib that traded, but in the Nether, and was similar to a pig? Then we have free reign.
Yeah! I do think there is lore, but it could be a "its your own head cannon." That would be on brand!
Isn't that what theyre going for? I think they said something like this during the archeology introduction
@@martiny6620 I see
I think there is lore now ever since notch sold the game Microsoft been messing with the game if you look in the mob diary thing that just shows a story
Plot twist: Mojang wants us to make different Lore for each world. Meaning it's a true sandbox game
Loony
@@pigjinbrute9399 wat
@@VitaMoonshadowOLD loony made lore
I like your pfp!
Lmao during mc live Mojang literally said that they dont want to make lore and instead want the players to make lore. So technically anything we think of is correct. It might be a weaker idea than another person but in the eyes of Mojang it’s still lore
You could say Jens "allowing contradictory information to slip through the cracks"(and the fact that the staff seem to have contradicting opinions at all) could simply mean he's totally fine with other people's opinions on what the lore is, and that there are no wrong or right answers. Minecraft is, at its core, a sandbox, and I think that extends to its lore as well. You build with what you're given, and there's no wrong way to play.
I think this is a legitimate interpretation
That's how I view it.
@@RetroGamingNow how did alex bale(oldroot) hide more files in a png file? And how?
I can't take you seriously without looking at Elmo from Hell on your pfp 😭
Guess Matpat can't be discredited at all huh? Shaaaaaammmemmememe
It’s weird to think a game about blocks could have so much lore and so many theories
That's what I love so much. Games that seem so simple, like they have no lore whatsoever, but when you dig deep you realize there is much more going on behind the curtain you could have dreamed of. That concept is so interesting to me.
well think about spongebob theories
I honestly prefer Terraria, but its lore is pretty shitty - I preferred the theorising and headcanons and stuff before they pulled off the curtain on the lore. Minecraft lore is so fucking cool, though
well geometry has too much theories
@@nightwatch3889 same
Knowing about game development, I don't think the lore of the game was ever completely planned out by the developers, but instead the devs sort of built off of each other as more stuff was added. In other words, they considered the lore aspect but they never actually set in stone what it is.
Perfect ambiguity for a sandbox game
This is honestly a pretty good thought process for any game lore, honestly, abd I wish more theory channels were this through with their theorizing, even excluding the obvious one.
What other similar channels can you recommend? Excluding the obvious one, obviously.
Thats just a theory, an
obvious theory
@@maxe624 SEE YA NEXT TIME
@@genghiskhan6688 It's very difficult to recommend good theory channels because most of the good ones cover one or just a handful of games, as it takes a lot of commitment and research to make them, so it depends on the games you're interested in.
The issue is that seemingly most theory channels never payed attention in English class and so don't know anything about literary analysis.
I always thought that the reason the end has gravity is because the end is remnants of a planet that orbits a black hole
Thats why you die if you fall off
that gave me some mario galaxy vibe
Maybe the portal makes us magnetic while our metals loose their magnetism, thus why some things float while we fall
Of course, the End is a whole separate dimension so it's unlikely that it would have planets, like this world does. Keep in mind it isn't space or something. It's a different dimension, a separate reality. It's possible that it could share something like planets with the Overworld, but I find it unlikely
@@nightwatch3889 Judging my the extreme similarities with how physics behave between both dimensions it's not a stretch to believe that planets would form in both
@@KidPrarchord95 I mean, not really. The End could, very well, not have gravity and instead a dimensional downward pull. Kinda like the Trymalstian universe from Unicorn Jelly. It would produce a similar effect than remains of a planet orbiting a black hole, furthermore, we see no evidence of stars nor the black hole yet there is light (but without a sun), so overall there's definetly something weird going on there.
I think if mojang gave Minecraft "traditional" lore it would take away some charm in the game. Also it would most likely leave a lot of fans dissatisfied with the real answers (that don't allign with the theories people have made up over the years.) I don't know
Me and a ton of other fans were incredibly disappointed when the End was added because it took away from the sandbox nature of the game where before literally everything was up to the player.
@@hedgehog3180 its all about perspective. you know, practically its not “the end” at all just a dimension with that name
Here's a question I've been thinking about for a while: what about the immortality of the player? For the longest time, I used to think of this as a gameplay feature (as explained in the video). However, the Nether Update added Respawn Anchors specifically for the resuscitation of the player.
Lore-wise, beds could be explained as merely a way for the player to sleep through the night (gameplay) and the respawning feature was added because that's where it made the most sense. The Respawn Anchor has no other purpose though, which whe paired with the dialogue of the two entities in the End poem, seem to indicate that the player's immortality is a part of the lore.
What do you think of this?
Gameplay feature. The End poem was actually created to be satire. Notch held a contest for someone to make an over-the-top poem for defeating the dragon, and that one won.
@@user-dl3vn8ze9n OK, but you still can't ignore the fact that the Respawn Anchor's ONLY use is to respawn the player - indicating that respawning is apparently canon
The player is an extremely tricky subject, which I would like to tackle fairly soon
@@RetroGamingNow and when is the disaster video coming 🤔🤔
@@jakubzeleznik1232 I don’t think you can assume anything’s connected to the lore unless it spawns naturally
The way you structure videos is so impressive to me.
You did not waste a single second of this video, yet nothing seemed rushed. Underrated video crafting skills
Very inspiring, hope to see you hit the big 1M soon.
Thank you! This is a really great compliment!
RetroGamingNow looking forward to your next video!
Same and I swear the music he uses in his theory's always fit the vibe perfectly
Minecraft is like SpongeBob; Harmless on the surface, very dark once you examine more deeply
Agree
What
Skin theory, i presume?
@@cursedgrogu7538 I was thinking about the squillium theory
@@cursedgrogu7538 skin theory is lame ngl
Alternate title: “Funny block game with spooky stuff in it”
Ha funni
Funny version: Funni bock GAAYM wit spookie stuf init
Maybe the stuff isn't intended to be spooky, but because it's so open to interpretation, people interpret it as something creepy
Fni mining block gam
“Join me on a dive beneath the waves, beneath-“
UA-cam: * plays an ad before retro gaming now can finish his statement making it appear as though he said beneath the ad *
“it would not be technically feasible to load both (the nether and overworld) simultaneously”.
Yeah, unless you're using the immersive portals mod.
portal chunk loading is a thing in vanilla tho
cant you do it in multiplayer?
Yeah but you get the point
@@carterwickenheiser13 yes
the lore is supposed to be based on vanilla minecraft, if you count on mods then anything can happen, from Steve is a block to whatever a mod can do.
it’s like applying the scientific method to lore, and i love it so much. if you aren’t/weren’t ever a stem major, i genuinely applaud you for taking this kind of approach on your theories
This is just how literary analysis works actually.
The scientific method is used much more broadly than just in stem. It’s the basis of good academics, both in stem and other fields, such as humanities. But apart from that, I agree completely.
I was thinking that maybe you could investigate the weird gameplay things minecraft has.
Example:
When lightning strikes a villager, it turns into a witch.
When lightning strikes a pig, it turns into a zombie pig.
Or maybe just investigate this lightning phenomenon idk
Just a suggestion
I mentioned both of these actually, one in the Witch video and one in the Piglin video
@@RetroGamingNow yes you did
@@RetroGamingNow maybe lightning can be linked to dna and magic
@@RetroGamingNow maybe lightning can be linked to dna and magic
@@fatherofthefatherless8346 lol u said the end idland is a gorrila
Just you wait until I upload my counter-argument: "A Deeper Dive into the Deep Dive of the Deep Dive into Minecraft Lore".
I await the day
@@RetroGamingNow hi
Personally, I like to take Minecraft abnormals approach of Quasi-lore. The idea is essentially that the game has no true definitive lore, but suggestions of Laura can be made through how certain game mechanics tie together.
This specific lense of viewing lore is made primarily for people who want to make mods that feel like vanilla Minecraft, but I think it also works perfectly well for extrapolating larger Concepts in the game.
The reason there's so many contradictions is because the game is built for Laura from the bottom up, they don't come up with Lauren then build game systems around it, they come up with game systems and add lore to explain it, and then they expand on those game systems and interesting ways using the lore they've already established.
I think when you look at it from that perspective, that you the player have to build lore to tie the game systems together rather than the creators having a unified Vision that they intentionally hide, it makes it much easier to tie the game together.
Fucking speech-to-text. Lore not laura lmao.
I absolutely love your interpretations, the whole new takes on a seemingly simple game is fantastic.
My biggest problem is I don't know what to think of as a theory.
Just look at at any block and ask yourself: why?
Anything can be theory
i havent tried at all, but i think if you start listing facts and features about related things, then you can slowly piece together an origin and make theories.
could dungeons be earlier on the "timeline" of minecraft? or perhaps later seeing as there villagers. though if the villagers already knew of the player's "species"(is what I'll go with) that would explain why they are non-hostile or don't run from us. why we're the last ones alive? hard to say.
I've actually been thinking about this recently. I always thought Dungeons took place at the same time as the original, or later on, but it's actually possible that it does in fact take place beforehand. The illagers and pillagers in normal Minecraft could be the survivors, hiding on outposts and mansions, planning a new uprising, with some attacking villagers for revenge.
@@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235 Yeah after the fall the of the Arch-illager, they sort of dissipated and were trying to come back together within the mansion. We can assume that they didn't exist before ther Arch-illager so it makes sense that the base game comes after dungeons.
@@blan_k4691 Yes, exactly. Also, here's a theory I have. I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out. Many people think the wool matching Steve's clothing is there because the illagers are trying to create their own Steve, but I think not. I think the illagers are planning something far more sinister. Maybe, an extinct monstrosity with it's fossils scattered about in the world? That's right. The illagers are trying to resurrect the Giant. No golem or even human could save the villagers from it, and since it's zombified, it could infect many of the villagers as well.
@@blan_k4691 And the interesting thing is, Pillager Outposts, and Woodland Mansions are not yet in Minecraft Dungeons, even though they would fit the game very well, so this is definitely a bit of proof that Dungeons is a prequel.
@@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235 woodland mansions are in dungeons ancient hunt
Lore: man comes to existence from mere dust, claims world for his own, goes to hell, then beats dragon for no reason
There's something called "Death of the Author" which says that once a work is made, the author(s) words have no bearing on the material. This seems to be the best way to enjoy a piece, even if looking at the author(s) words is fun. Just like how chunks pop in and out, a theatrical play is contained within the stage, whatever it may be.
The game about building using a variety of different materials that can be put together in many different ways to make just about anything has a lore that requires assembling many different pieces of information that can be inferred and put together in a number of different ways, fitting.
Here’s an interesting Minecraft theory/lore topic to talk about: is there any other lore about the Minecraft ender dragon than the fact that it was the endermen’s fate? If so then what can we dig from it? Is there an origin story to the ender dragon besides the fact that it can be summoned with obsidian pillars and end crystals? And what exactly is the ender dragon other than it’s a dragon from the end? Is it even from the end at all?
I think it mastered void magic, which enables travel between dimensions, and turned all the other dragons into endermites.
Just my opinion though.
The dragon represents the corruption of the world, The End and Endermen are proof, they were an ancient civilization but welled up under her control on their search for technology and energy (ender crystal). Proof is that The End is inverted from the Overworld, the End rock was actuslly once Cobblestone and the purple trees were green. Also that in the Mob bestiary you can see that Endermen have something purple inside their bodies and have unnaturally long legs and arms, and when you kill the Dragon you get "Free the End", because they are under her control.
I think I heard one of the devs say “The Minecraft world is intended to allow players to create their own story. Dungeons is just one singular story out of an infinite amount.” So it’s not canon, but therefor nothing really is. Although Dungeons has some cool connections to Soul Energy that would be really interesting to talk about
My head-canon is that some parts are canon, while some aren’t. Dungeons has been confirmed to be part of the universe multiple times, though the present gameplay can vary with the order you play the levels, if there more than one player character, etc. So what I think is that certain story elements and pieces of lore like the Orb of Dominance, the Nameless Kingdom, and the Illagers’ society described in the prequel book are completely canon, while certain landmarks and history of a specific area in base game are left for the player to come up with the story. (I think that the world border doesn’t actually exist in-universe, and that the world _is_ infinite lore-wise.)
Edit: Also, do you know where you heard that specific quote?
@@sboy2044 pretty sure it was from one of the dev diaries/QnA videos. I’ll look for it
@@sboy2044 ua-cam.com/video/3QsJ8OYHafs/v-deo.html the closest thing I can find is this video at 3:20. Maybe I was misremembering the quote…
fan fic: gravity do affect blocks. it is just that air get in the way
wait this actually makes sense if you think of air as a super dense gas
This theory is a huge stretch since it assumes that anvils,dragon eggs, sand, gravel and concrete are ultra-dense, but it would make sense thinking of every block being exactly as dense as air, thus making them float and such, also entities could also just be extremely dense with the exception of the shulker and wither (the other entities that float are either ghosts or have wings)
Only problem with this would be tnt, since it can both float in the air and not float(primed tnt)
Sus blocks
Y'know structural integrity is also a thing.
I believe the one other UA-camr where Minecraft has quasi lore. Loosely defined lore that can really be taken anywhere. That’s why the developers all have their own ideas and theories. And for the Minecraft Dungeons, I’d like to look to Scott Cawthon and his Books. He essentially stated they follow the same canon, but not the same story. Basically they all follow the same rules, but are taken with different angles or events. This is what I believe was meant by Jeb’s response. Yes in its canon, no it’s not the same world, and yes if that’s the theory you want to make (quasi-lore).
One of my personal theories is that Zombies can't see the color grey or always see grey entities as friendly, this could explain why the illagers and witches don't get attacked by them.
Another theory is that the "illness" Of the Illagers is an unharmful variant of the zombie plague wich just turns their skin grey but makes them seem like zombies to other entities.
Alright, but the fact that netherrack was called "bloodstone" at one point in the game files, is it in-game or out-of-game evidence for the the "Netherrack is flesh" theory?
No it's because Notch was a contrarian and when item names were first added everything got named something else than what people were callimg it. The most obvious example of this is gunpoweder being called Sulfur at first.
On your point of impressionism and art, my personal take on why not to officially state the story is to give a feel of realism, or to be more clear, authenticity. It should feel like an archeologist (or even just a hermit in the woods) stumbling across an ancient ruin, lost to time with no idea how it got there, a kind of adventurous yet also relaxing and calming, almost tranquil and sad feeling that you can feel in your chest. (Very akin to the overworld music)
The story isn’t handed out to you on a silver platter, like the real world. In a world of disbanded villages and mostly raw land with you coming out of the middle of no where, you have to piece together the story of your world for yourself. It feels authentic. You aren’t a chosen one set out on a mission from a mighty wizard to slay a dragon and the worlds story isn’t given to you, you’re just an ordinary guy in a world, and every world has it’s story, wether you see it or not.
Minecraft lore is so much more interesting than any other videogames lore, perhaps even more than kirby lore.
I may have started a gang war with that sentence.
You.........
@@amitasrivastava493 wut
It's definetly though provoking and without anything completely shielded off. A lot of neat stuff could be done with it.
Normally, games have much more closed lore which in turn is less though provoking and make vague theorizing less something actually loable and more in the style of expecting to confirm or denying predictions much strongly, which kind of takes a little bit of the fun from it.
*you have provoked a gang war
*surprisingly nothing happened
Piglin chicken jocky: chickens that wandered into the nether long ago. There's only a few left since feathers probably make better arrows than whatever else the piglin use for fletching
It could just be that they use crossbows, which use bolts. A simple bolt can be made out of a stick with sharp metal on the end. They could for basalt or Blackstone into the bolt heads, and they have the warped and crimson fungi that produce a wood-like substance for sticks.
3:40 Thats a nice idea, sounds very plausible and interesting. Endstone could work similar to coral reefs in real life in the sense that it is built by tiny organisms that filter some kind of air particles/plankton/floating life forms from the air to feed and built a stone-/limestone-like material from it.
This could actually mean that the End is in the atmosphere of a gas planet. The end clearly has gravity (meaning it is on a planet and not just in some floating asteroid field in space), but it doesn't have a solid surface as there is only void beneath it.
I don't consider the void beneath the overworld and nether to be lore/canonical because it is clearly just a technical limitation because the 2D chunk system can't render the world infinitely downwards, and you are not meant to see the overworld/nether void in survival, meaning it is not meant to be actually "there" lore-wise. The end void however is something you can see and fall into in survival mode, meaning it is part of the lore.
With the idea that the end is in the atmosphere of a gas planet, it could mean that this gas planet has its own ecosystem of microscopic life forms that are filtered by endstone organisms that turn them into endstone (which could consist of limestone like coral reefs), and it would also explain that you die from falling into the void because of higher pressure and temperature closer to the core. It could also mean that the ender dragon is a lifeform that normally lives in higher layers of the gas planet atmosphere, only when you resummon it one of the ender dragons comes down to the endstone layer.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SERIES KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!
One of the content creators I just HAVE to watch full ads for
You really put passion behind your vids, and they are very entertaining
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You good bro?
Sheesh if you need to vent us strangers on the internet are here to listen
@@ellaclay3572 gucci, we didn’t get it hit w it, just a storm and the sirens. we got pretty lucky
@@mimir9483 thanks, appreciate it. i had an anxiety attack at my friends because i was super scared but i got home safe with my parents and its pretty good rn
@@s.r.2061 thank god
wow i really loved your analogy to impressionist art, i’d never thought about it that way :D
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minecraft lore is more interesting than any other game’s tbh
True I think its because it isn't explicitly stated by mojang and they let us find it out
What makes it so interesting is that there’s no lore, it’s just anything we can theorize.
@Regular dude on internet. where? Matpat isnt here
@Regular dude on internet. Yes
Yeah because you can pretty much find evidence in your own world and come up with any theory you want and what direction you want to take it. It's honest very interesting and fun.
When they add archeology they should add tattered books with bits if lore and information in it.
Like so many mods have done beforehand like Ars Magicka for example
I don't know, I think that it's a big part of the game that the player is basically illiterate as you can't read bookshelf books and you can't even read enchanting books. In fact, the only book the player can even read are the ones they or other players wright.
@@noahryan1988 that's more of a technical limitation.
@@TheCobaltKnight27 I would be inconsistent to have the player be able to read some naturally generated books and not others. Also, Minecraft just isn't the kind of game to do lore reveals through books.
@@noahryan1988 doesn't have to be much. Maybe a journal in a random mineshaft, a new "ruined book" found in underwater temples you can't open, one or 2 written books in strongholds. Also, it wouldn't be bad to have books the player can't read. Maybe the enchantment books aren't readable because they're magic and the player doesn't know how to read it. Maybe piglings have books of their own (made from some nether material, maybe tablets and not books) which are also nonreadable by the player.
I love the comparison between Minecraft's lore and an impressionist painting. After binging through all of the Minecraft iceberg and lore videos I'll definitely stick around for future videos. Though I do not always agree with your theories, I appreciate the effort you put into making them. Your narration is really nice to listen to as well. Even the sponsorship segments are interesting, I haven't skipped one yet.
Oh, and I found out you are composing some of the music in your videos yourself!. That's some serious dedication! One last thing: I noticed that you said in some deep dive videos (I'm paraphrasing): "A deep dive into some of the more obscure elements of games such as Minecraft". I just want to say, don't be afraid to branch out iinto different games if you so desire. I think the video essay style suits you really well and assuming the quality of your content remains the same people will come around even if it will take some time.
I hope you can take my bluntness lol, after the recent tragic event that devastated large parts of the Minecraft community something has shifted inside me and I've started to hold back less when I appreciate or admire something (because of regrets obviously). Hope that clears it up in case you were wondering. :)
Excellent video! Minecraft lore is really interesting and im glad i found your channel through this video. Most of what you said on how you interpret the games lore is spot on to how i interp it, though i would say that game mechanics can be used for lore, as they can tell us about the properties and nature of the world when interacted with by the player. For example, how you can apply gold to carrots and apples for saturation and buffs respectively. It a part of the mechanics, but it gives insight to the nature of gold in the world and how it can or could be used.
I think the whole thing with dungeons is that it's sudo cannon like the event's and characters don't exist but some of the lore stuff is shared between both games
I'm a simple man... I see Minecraft lore, I click.
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Absolutely love this series bro ur amazing!
Personally, I feel like Minecraft Dungeons is indeed set in the same universe, specifically the future. I follow the Game Theory lore perspective because in most part it makes sense and the concept is quite interesting. The idea that you're the last of your own kind, a race known as the Creators or Crafters, that all went extinct from the attempt of creating actual life that went horribly wrong and so forth.
The reason why I say that Minecraft Dungeons takes place in the future because technically you're not exactly alone yet alone the last of the Creators because we have "Steve" and "Alex", a man and a woman, the Adam and Eve essentially. Therefore we could say that the main player in Minecraft Dungeons are but one of the very descendants of Steve & Alex.
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I’ve been looking forward to this
I enjoyed this video a lot, makes me think I should construct my own impressions of the lore of the game, as I might interpret some things differently. I still like the lore you've been constructing though as it gives context to a lot of things I haven't delved into enough. The video about the ancient cities is one of my favorites as it demonstrates that even though the warden is a nightmare to most mobs both the ancient builders and the illagers have found uses for it. 🙂
In your video, you said that people with philosophical backgrounds might find that you had said something incorrectly. However, as someone with a philosophical background, I want to say that your video is a really excellent and lovely example of good philosophical thinking. It combines rigorous carefulness with creativity and open-mindedness. Thank you very much for making this video!
I love Minecraft, I love lore
Minecraft + Lore = Me explode of happiness
11:17 it is possible to load both at the same time. Throw a item through a Portal and both words are loaded. Furthermore, you can load both sites through the mod BetterPortals
Yeah, but I think you understand the point I was trying to make
I really like the idea that End Stone is some kind of coral-like fungus thing that has spores, that's really creative.
I've compiled a bunch of theories and questions about this series so I'm just going to repost them in one on all these videos to increase the odds of them getting answered or maybe even made into videos
1. Do you think somewhere in the minecraft world there's a lost disk called disk 12?
2. something I want to know is what a respawn anchor is supposed to be because respawning is not something that actually happens in universe but with the bed its obvious that the actual in universe use is just for sleeping but the respawn anchor only sets a spawn point so what's it actually doing in the context of the world?
3. What are the differences between different forms of undeath? We see Zombies, husks, Zombie villagers, zombie horses, zoglins, zombie pigmen, and drowned who all just have decaying skin. Skeletons, wither skeletons, strays, and skeleton horses who just keep their bones then we see Phantoms who have a more ghost like appearance. Also as an addon to that what is a ghast because I always thought it was a ghost but it isn't so maybe it conveniently evolved like squids or something.
4. Something that I find interesting is that other creatures when inflicted by the zombie virus seem to become mindlessly violent but when horses and piglins become zombified they act mostly normal, with piglins specifically the only differences are they seem to not have the full intelligence of normal piglins because A they don't still trade and B they only spawn with Swords and don't use cross bows. Another weird detail is that zombified piglins are immune to fire which is a huge red flag for a couple of reasons because one normal piglins aren't fire immune but most other undead creatures are particularly weak to fire. Another undead mob that has weird contradictions to most undead mobs are the zombie and skeleton horses which also keep their normal friendliness and seem to be the least far gone of these undead mobs not only being still domesticatable but being even easier to domesticate. I originally assumed that the undead virus only makes humans violent but that is simply not true because Phantoms and the wither are also not friendly. The biggest weird detail in all of this is that other undead mobs seem to still see these creatures as natural allies with skeletons riding skeleton horses and withers never attacking anything that is already undead.
5. I think that the fox is most likely the most intelligent and possibly important mob that's completely a wild animal (meaning it has no building ability, doesn't exist in its own structure, can't trade, and doesn't have the ability to create a full society) I think that because they are one of 6 mobs that sleep (you, villagers, foxes, 3 illigers) which as you established in the Phantoms video is already important they also have the ability to do several other things that very few can do including using totems of undying, enchantments on weapons, and chorus Fruit, and also can sometimes be seen holding emeralds that weren't given to them and seem to care about them a bit more than other non food items which may have even inspired the villagers to hold a similar appreciation for emeralds although that and the rest of this is just speculation I think two possible explanations for this are that they could be some sort of ancestor to either villagers or ancient builders although it's kinda hard to place because they have the emerald connection to villagers but can do other things like defend themselves although it could be a common ancestor for both and then my second idea take a trip even further through speculation town and a bit into the early stages of creepy pasta Avenue with the possibility that they once were villagers or ancient builders (again it's kinda hard to place) who were turned by a magic enemy with the most likely culprit being the illigers but another possibility is that the illigers themselves might have accidentally turned some of there kind into foxes although that's unlikely because foxes are only hostile when something attacks it first and even then tend to prefer running away. Anyway foxes have a ton of weird and specific properties that I'd love to see your interpretations on.
So those are all my pitches.
For your first point, do you consider the Mobestiary to be unreliable when trying to piece things together?
That's what I expected him to mention, honestly. And it's a really interesting case. For example, Ghasts are shown to be some kind of machines there but at one point Mojang said Ghasts are gaseous.
Since it’s really hard to know for sure, I have avoided it
@@Zmeeed01 elaborate on the machines thing?
@@cthulhufhtagn7520 the Ghast's entry in the official Mobestiary shows some sort of circuitry inside them, suggesting that the Ghast is some sort of a robot or machine
"Dual game version of the lore"
Minecraft story mode forgotten, RIP
I feel that the Enderman deep dive theory video was an exception, because upon watching it, I was surprised by the fact that one moment you were trying to explain their teleportation and then the next establishing that they has a community between them, discovering other dimensions and attempting to send back data. It felt like there was more story in that theory than there was evidence to support it because there are other big leaps in your explanation, such as the Enderman species as a whole being from the End or Enderman once being able to lift other blocks; in game evidence doesn't seem to suggest either.
I love watching your lore videos. They help me see Minecraft in different ways.
I'm gonna take this time to add somethings about his theories
1. I believe that piglins are what happens when a pig wanders into the soulsand valley the pig becomes fused with a soul the same logic also explains why soulsand valleys have more wither and regular skeletons and explains how they know some human stuff but not all human stuff
2. hoglins are pigs who adapted to the nether this why piglins hunt them like humans did
3.The zombie apocalypse has recently somethings like underwater ruins desert temples and ocean monuments that would have broken into a million pieces are fine
4.The builder civilization was a brutal cast society this is explained by the fact that the illagers are look vaguely similiar but different and the fact that they avoid each other (kinda like old India) in the time it would take for the building to decay to their current point they could not have split so far.I don't know who was dominant
5.There were different civilizations because of different structures clothing ect.
5a. The ocean civilizations where one they would have been rich merchants as evidenced by their very large religious monuments and use of more expensive stone also they had a different building style not seen anywhere else
5b. The desert civilization would have been another they would have been another they would have a decently rich society they would have had a nobility as evidenced by there temples these would have been made to pass them onto the afterlife symbol on the front is a ankh which represented life.
5c. The jungle civilization would have been small in poor based on the trash loot in their temples also jungle societies are always less advanced in real life there now extin
5d. The plains civilization I don't know there's no temples which suggests no public religions thought the lack of this suggests a relative poverty I can't make a conclusive statement same for savana villagers
5e. The snow civilization would have been isolated and poverty as shown by there different building style and lack of temples the igloos probably show a dedication to science
5f. The swamp civilization would have been a collection of semi nomadic or nomadic herders or hunter gatherer tribes and poor due to the dense vegitation and lack of any rememants at all they would have been outsiders who weren't worth invaded had a warrior culture do to constant conflict and would travel outside of there villages to trade
For the plains civilisation, churches or church like buildings can be found in their villages, maybe suggesting they had some form of religion?
As someone who has played and love dungeons, u think of it as one player's world. Made in the far future of the Minecraft. Live both games
This was a great video, and I like the set up you've got going.
But my biggest takeaway, personally, is that I suddenly want you to play Dungeons and do a Hidden Lore series on it. Sure the Arch Illager is a thing, Yada Yada, but just like Dark Souls, items have descriptions which hint at things without actually spelling it out, and I'd love to see your take!
Great video. And to be honest, I usually can't find a reason to disagree with your theories, as most of the time they seem quite logical. But I might try a different approach just to see what happens.
"I'm not a philosopher. I'm a UA-camr."
I mean, there isnt ALWAYS a difference between those.
13:28 Another developer clarified in that Twitter thread that it is indeed canon. Also the prequel book “Rise of the Arch-Illager” has a lot of information and seems to the only novel that is canon, so I suggest you take a look. Also the description of MC Dungeons on the official Minecraft website literally states that it takes place in the Minecraft universe.
www.minecraft.net/en-us/about-dungeons
Edit: Here’s a image of the Twitter thread I mentioned:
m.imgur.com/a/YNSzZNE
What if you made a lore theory series that assumes Minecraft dungeons and its prequel after you finish the current series? It would double your future content and satisfy dungeons players like me who get sooo annoyed when your theory directly contradicts dungeons.
I would have to totally rethink everything, but it could be an interesting thing to try. Im not sure how I would stop people who saw the original deep dives from getting confused, though
Yet again awesome video like always ! 💕
Thanks so much for another amazing video! Can’t wait for 1.17 lore!
Video Idea: Why does it say "killed 9 entities" when you kill the ender dragon with commands?
@@thekingofracoons No! the towers remain there if killed with commands, i Think its because of its hitboxes, i think they are different entities combined to make the ender dragon, or maybe the egg it lays, has 8 babies inside???? who knows
@@SaadAhmadSMMA The ender dragon is made up of 9 hitboxes.
@@manthannandha1095 ye
@@SaadAhmadSMMA the hitboxes fall under the gameplay category, since you deal more damage to the head than other parts of the dragon's body
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I have a weird question....... We are creating Theories- in 1.16, what if we do it after 2 years.... perhaps minecraft 1.20, Wouldn't that be better for the theories because we'd have more information about the game and its aspects
I think each version is separate. New updates may cause the lore to change, just like the Nether update
@@RetroGamingNow yeah thats my point, what if we do it in a later update, wouldnt that be a better and solid theory?
It’s kinda as if they’re building onto an old building, but in the process they are removing and rebuilding in older areas, meaning they’re adding more to it and invalidating older theories
I believe MC Dungeons was intended to be in the same canon. However it is entirely possible, even likely that they have different timelines or a multi-verse of sorts.
It's hard to know for sure, which is my big issue
@@RetroGamingNow how is minecraft connected to dungeons
Great video. Really enjoyed this, buddy.
The void makes weird noises,I fell like the void and the advancements are connected to the lore as well,the void is like new possibility’s,creating,death,life,and end.The advancements have lore,cause of “Those were the days,and “Free The End,and”The End … Again?Also one of the advancements which is the secret one which is,”How did we get here”,which is when you get every effect in the game applied all at once,but as I was saying,the “How did wee get here”,is like how did the player end up in the Minecraft world?
(WARNING just my opinion) this theories are MUCH better than matt's ones, this ones seem much more natural and not forced (i still like matt's theories and im not hating anyone)
I really appreciate this form of thinking. It is practical and a lot more definitive than random guessing.
At the end of the day, most things were likely added because the devs thought it would be cool as a concept, then tied in the story subtly. There likely is an overall arching idea, with the how's and why's left to the imagination of the player.
While I'm personally one to prefer specific details, Minecraft does its storytelling in such a masterful way that you simply *can't* appreciate it even if it's not a method you prefer.
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RGN : "it would not be possible to load the overworld and the nether at the same time "
BetterPortals mod : "Hold my beer"
I just thought of this but why do big mushrooms grow in forests?
The end island shape is like a gorilla
Seeing the smp spawn and Lees horses was awesome!
Minecraft...the game with infinite possibilities. Been really into your deep dives lately. I love the interesting stuff the community comes up with. Its one of the things that make Minecraft...Minecraft! You can create your own lore and story to whatever you please. Its fun to see the fun and tragic stories a mind will come up with.
One other thing to think about though. We have very vague things with the lore. Maybe the developers want the players to explore the world around them and think about it. Its something that is encouraged in kids. To learn and discover more about their world. If this were true, it makes MatPat's theory on the "ending" of Minecraft to be even more meaningful!
Keep up the great work! I hope to hear more lore stuff soon! Also Heyyyy! Roller Coaster Tycoon!!!!!!
FNAF: I have the best lore and fan theories
UnderTale: no you don’t I don’t even give you the full story
Minecraft: *BLOCK GAME GO WEE*
Rollercoaster tycoon does have lore. Your are someone who creates a rollercoaster park to raise money while secretly using that money to fund your research on how to lower the population by killing people one coaster at a time. It's pretty hard to find though you have to do a few playthroughs before you start to get it.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! For not being a philosopher, you do a great job thinking carefully about your approach to lore. In particular, your criteria for making a strong theory is very similar to criteria for scientific theories. I hope many scientists would approach theories this way.
Holy I have to subscribe ! This is real content
You should really play Minecraft dungeons, it's such a good game.
Eh
How to Think About Minecraft Lore? I tend to just not think about it
Wow! this video is very interesting. I am a big fan of Minecraft, and I enjoy watching Minecraft videos. Keep up the great videos.
I think you should do a deep dive into minecraft dungeons lore because its very interesting when you take the time to look into it
I feel like the game creators didn’t really think of a lore except for the ending. It is completely possible that it’s just our heading making nonexistent connections. Someone does something can cause people to think that Minecraft might have lore. That thought will spread causing a nonstop loop. All the structures might just be for a better survival mode experience.
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Minecraft Dungeons and Legends have been confirmed to be canon, and it's pretty clear why. Both games add so much lore to the Minecraft universe, as explained by the youtuber Xatrix.
mojang just made a little sandbox game and with mobs that have random traits or abilities and you piece information about them and you make excellent theories! you're amazing.
I respect the evidence-first approach. A certain big UA-camr does the opposite by making a guess first and finding evidence to back it up. And then using a mixture of developer statements and entries within the Mobeastiary as canon proof even though it was confirmed the Mobeastiary is non-canon.
always a pleasure when rgn uploads.
I feel like the game isn't intended to have as coherent a lore as we are trying to make of it, so a lot of it is a sort of fan fiction. That being said it is interesting to try to figure it out.
I like your theory about the Enderman. Although I want to find a way to argue the dragon is a mercenary the enderman hired to defend their dimension.
It's a bit different from my view on lore. But that's ok! It's a great video. I love these theory videos so much.
This information, with some variations as needed, should be kept in mind for those making theories about other games and even shows and movies. I have seen too many gaming theories that present no evidence or which ground themselves in another theory, too many that take what are obviously technical limitations or requirements to make the games work properly and use them as evidence for a theory. Or they'll consider sources of information that aren't necessarily accurate or which contradict the games themselves. Its so annoying, especially when people act like those theories are fact but can never actually explain their "evidence"
11:18 Non-euclidian minecraft: *you underestimate my power lol*
Yes there is lore. Many things are in the game for a reason. Mobs behave because of a reason. They explains things in some way in other media, the books and other games.
My own theory is this.
This is the timeline
Minecraft story mode -> minecraft dungeons -> Minecraft -> Minecraft education edition -> minecraft Earth.
Mearth(what i call the planet in Minecraft) has a civilization that is very intelligent and have some access to magic or still studying it. They invented here long distance and interplanetary travel. Made many experiments to life in Mearth and have workers. Another intelligent species the ancient villagers.This the story of Minecraft story mode. After that the world slowly was taken over by ancient villager that turned against the ancient builders. They got greedy of power. They slowly destroy everything they built and took for themselves everything they discovered. Few hundreds ancient builders survive this and is fighting back. This occurs in Minecraft dungeons. After another couple of thousands or million of years. Only a couple of builders is alive and the descendants of the rebel villagers. It broke into 2 factions, the peaceful villagers and evil illagers. Two of the ancient builders left is Steve and Alex now living in a post war/apocalyptic event world trying to remember what they are. Slowly discovering the ruins of the ancient builders. This is in Minecraft. After few more hundreds maybe thousands of years they gained the knowledge of the ancient builder and repopulated the Mearth. They're teaching young ones to teach future generations and experimenting more. This is in Minecraft education edition. After many generations of experiment they made a new portal leading to another planet called Earth. Minecraft Earth.
Or Minecraft story mode -> Minecraft -> Minecraft dungeons -> Earth. Where advance civilization, Minecraft story mode. Advance civilization falls because of some unknown reasons maybe deadly decease or wither army made and leads to Minecraft. Only some ancient builders left and villagers are becoming smart eventually some turned evil and want to conquer the world, which leads us to Minecraft dungeons. After years of fight peace returns and the advancement of technology continues. The builders repopulated Mearth and made portals to other places. This is Minecraft Earth.
Origins of things.
End is the first Planet that the ancient builders travelled to. They used the planet as a resources, slowly destroying it. They made out post there and houses there. The End city, they made flying ships to travel across the planet, the end ships. Only few species survive the excavation of the ancient builders such as the Ender dragons, Shulkers and Phantoms. Eventually the planet crumble and became islands floating in space. The dragon isn't able to survive. So the ancient builders made it a life support that heals it and can create a new one if killed. The greenery changed due to being exposed to space. Shulkers made some kind of protection around their bodies. Phantom can't live there so the builders brought them to Mearth.
Nether second planet they travelled to. It's a hollow planet with a very durable surface bedrock. They first couldn't survive the heat but after some experimentation bringing pigs to Nether. They found a way to be immune to heat. Many would die while exploring Nether which leads to them dicovering Soul usage and magic. They still feel heat and get damage but as much as before. Eventually they left Nether and the pigs evolve and adapt to be an intelligent species there.
Wither, was a failed experiment by the builders playing with souls. This is also what started the rebellion. Hence the achievement the beginning. After the events of Wither storm in story mode. Some worker villagers got tired of being under the builders and replicated the Wither and their usage of souls and magic. They made armies of Wither that was let loose in the world. Builders try to fight back but wasn't able to. Their civilization slowly gets destroyed. After hundreds of years the wither ran out of souls that gives it life and dies.
Ocean monuments are sacred places that they use to worship something or someone. They made it intentionally underwater with the help of their magic potions and heart of the sea they was able to breath under water.
Woodland mansions are made by the rebel villagers long time ago where they hide from the builders and do they're experiments.
Enderman are ancient builders that adapted to space. They were force to seek refuge there because of the massive amounts of withers. They time to time check but there is still dangers.
Spawners are cloning machines.
Warden is a species that lives in deep down this was discovered by the ancient buildersrs and used for inspirations for many types of golems seen in story mode and dungeons and iron golem.
This are some of my ideas. I got some of these from game theory. There many more things I could explain.
After a lot of deep dive you should do a deep dive tier list where the top would be the ones you like or you think is most likely to be true