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I am asking please to help me with your book actually I can't afford them and your classes am from Africa from a country called Zambia 400USD is too much for us you multiple it by 21 that is k8,400 then my dad gets k5,000 😢 just asking please am asking for help Igor Smirnov please Mr😢
► Chapters 00:00 This Puzzle Tells Your Chess Talent Level 00:27 500 ELO Rating Level 00:38 800 ELO Rating Level 00:52 1000 ELO Rating Level 01:24 1200 ELO Rating Level 01:47 The Right Way Of Thinking In Chess 04:39 Solving puzzles VS Finding it in real game 05:24 1600 ELO Rating Level 08:08 1800 ELO Rating Level 09:01 2100 ELO Rating Level 10:09 2500 ELO Rating Level
After thw Q+ K is forced to conceed to thd h6 square, y u might ask. Kf6 is just positionally bad since Qf6 closes the box. XR is out watch your back...rank. and one of the things fisher disliked about the opening setup in chess the weak f7 square comes to mind
I got 1600 on this puzzle (rated 1100 rapid). Many things beyond this tell me i am not hitting my potential in rapid. I think i see all these things slower and i can fail to perform well under time pressure. I got as far as seeing i would win a pawn and have better activity after seeing the Kf8 option for black so I'm happy with that. a4 was never going to come to mind but i had seen Qf4+. These are obviously broad ranges but it's a nice puzzle.
We're in the same boat, 1'100 and scored 1'600 here. My main issue is also implementing puzzle- or rather spotting them. My puzzle rank is around 2'050 with a peak of 2'200. When I know there's a definite solution to the position I have a reasonable chance of spotting it, real games just seem so much more nebulous.
@@ebraheememad9593 it adds to a picture that some of us have done plenty of puzzles and can find these motifs when prompted but have other weaknesses in ours games. Yesterday I won a 10+5 game after straight up blundering a knight but only because I found a sneaky revealed pin to recover material balance and then I had a more active king in the endgame and got a passed pawn. I even went into that game trying to just focus on not volunteering material and I still did. That's what will unlock the next rating range for me.
A4 is not a real move, it's a random move to "pass" the turn without changing the position. The point was realizing Black is in zugzwang. Could've made any other random move like A3, F3, G3, G4, Kh1...
@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici I get what you're saying and I agree with it some what, but bullet chess is still chess. You just don't have so much time to calculate & make the moves, so you got to employ different kind of strategies to be good at it than with classical or even Rapid chess. In 5min Blitz you have a little time to calculate and in 3min very little.
I think a huge part of this is time. It's not just that puzzles have solutions, but that we take the time to find them. In a game, the ideas here won't necessarily jump out to players during the time that they allow themselves to think. This is why knowing patterns and having opening prep can be so powerful-they guide you to the correct response without requiring thought, and they also give you more time to think when you need it. I miss-calculated Qe5+ Kf8 Re8+ Qxe8 Qh8#. It's not mate because of Ke7. Also, I was not entirely sure where the line with Kh6 ended, but I figured it would be better for white. Finally, from the position at 9:03, I saw Qf6 Qe8. I guess that puts me around 1500 because I fell just short of the 1600 mark.
I am a 3+0 Blitz player with an on-line Blitz rating of Elo 1900-2000 (Elo 2078 is my current pick). In this puzzle I reached Elo 1800. Thank you so much Igor and please, bring more of these Elo calculating puzzles! All the best, Marco EarlyJaques
@@Georgewalsh100 silly comment. it's just a different format. one that i suck at and one i'm guessing you do as well. i'm about a 2000 according to this puzzle but i'm terrible in short timed games like a 1200.
I love these videos with puzzle with different layers !! I got to 1800 on that one Being 2000 rapid and 1700 blitz / bullet Quite acurate I would say I missed that Qf6 move, I thought I had to trade that rook but black actually cant take it, very nice !
Make that 3 of us. 😆😆 My last tournament rating was 1850. When he revealed the Zugzwang, my mouth dropped opened. I felt stupid to miss it, but it was a clear indicator that I haven't actually broken 2000 yet.
1. I quickly saw Qe5 leaving the black king with 3 legal moves. I didn't see Re8 because Qe5 just simply felt like the best move. 2. I quickly calculated Kg8 is bad, Kh6 was weird, and Kf8 seemed like the best move. 3. If Kh6 I saw Qf4 and after that things felt weird I couldn't see much good after that. With Kh6 and Qf4, if Kh5 then g4, Kf4 forced, and took me a minute or two to find Qh6 mate. But if Kh6 and Qf4, and Kh7, my mind got stuck on a repetition of moves and I didn't see Qxf7. So then Kf8 I could really only see Rxd7 and I missed Qf6. 4. So then I calculated that Qe5 Kf8, Rxd7 Qxd7, Qh8 Ke7, Qxh7 was the best line I could think of. Again, completely missing the winning move and not realizing black was in zugzwang. But at 10:00 with black to move, I did actually find Qe8 as black's best move to not be mated. Personally, I think puzzles set up situations that are far too convenient for you and that you have a certain expectation of, so it is easier for one to spot a good move. But then, in an actual game, you don't have that expectation and convenience, so finding those killer moves is more complicated. At the very least, this is my issue, in addition to needing to know more openings. My puzzles rating on chess.com is 2100, and even though I very rarely play an actual game these days, my rating is 1000.
This is exactly the issue with puzzles, you already know there is a tactic/winning move here. In a game, it's a lot harder to spot, expect maybe in classical if you take time for thinking at almost every move. Even super GM has this bias, in the match between MVL and Hans Niemann in the speedchess, as stockfish indicate a strong advantage for MVL after a mistake, the NM commentator found instantly the tactic, and MVL, even after 20s thinking missed it, just because it wasn't evident for him that there was something there.
Got the 2100 calculation fairly quickly and then stopped looking for further continuations on that line since it looked like a win by force (so didn't get 2500), and instead went back to the other line to calculate what would happen after 1 qe5+ kh6 qf4+ kh5 which wasn't covered in this video as far as actual rating, about 1900-2000 uscf
Before I started watching your videos explaining your thinking I would have been way down at the 800's, but pleased to say I got around 1600!! Been playing properly for about 9 months now. Just missed I could pick up the pawn on h7! Thank you for all your videos
Nice exercise. Am only 1400 OTB, 1700ish Chesscom but I managed to solve at the highest level 2500, saw Qe8 as the only way to keep it going. I spent my time on Kh6 first, solved that, then Kf8 was initially tricky but I got it fairly quick once I saw how the rook couldn't be taken Qf6 jumped out to me.
That removes a guard for the f7 pawn and you set yourself up for a fork in the future. So after Rd6, white plays Qf6 threatening mate. Only two ways to defend. Qe8 or Rf5. If Rf5, then its forced M2 or M3. If Qe8, rook takes queen, king retakes, then white goes Qc6, forking the king and the rook. Only way to save both is for black to get their rook pinned to the king which is sad. If black dont play rd6, black at least wouldnt start having their only piece pinned after the sequence. So really, theres no moves for black's major pieces that doesnt make things worse.
@@samuelcardin6972 ahh, I thought they said rd5 for some reason. But it is still zugzwang because rd6 make the position worse. Not only does it hang rxa7 losing a pawn, it also set up a mate threat on h8. Rook f6 for black is the best move to defend, but now it is pinned. There is still nothing black can do that doesn't make things worse after that, arguably even less so.
8:13 small correction, there is *at least* a perpetual with Qe5+ and Qh8+. Very important to notice if in a game where a draw is all you need to win a tournament or something :) 8:58 I think there should be a little more calculation after Qxh7. Something like Qe6 threatens Qe1/Qe2 which could be quite deadly. Of course White can just play Kf1 or Qh4+ followed by Qe4, it's important to not be too complacent with the fact that you've just won a pawn. I did NOT see the beautiful Qf6 idea in any of my calculations, but I am not a 2100+ :) I would say the rating is quite accurate for me!
Knowing that a puzzle is a puzzle makes it so much easier because you know a solution exists so you can keep looking until you find it. In normal play you don't know the puzzle is present, and without that guarantee your thought process is completely different.
Somewhere between 1200 and 1600. I did work out that Kf8 was most likely. But I went with Re8 as I didn't see where I could go with the checks. It is quite accurate.
What a fantastic puzzle. Where did you find it? I got 2500. I don't think the variations are over though, white does not have to take the queen. White can play a4 and eventually black will run out of pawn moves and have to start sacing pawns.
It took me about 5-7 minutes to get to the 1800, and thats where I started to hit my wall. I maybe could have pushed harder, but decided to stop. How much time should we spend on this type of calculation? Sometimes when I do puzzles online I take upwards of 20 minutes haha. I also know that spending that much time is unrealistic in an actual game.
My thoughts exactly. I've been learning for almost a month now (as an absolute beginner) and I got to the 1800 level puzzle in around the same time you did. I even thought at some point: let's leave it as it is because as black I wouldn't take this or that so I included that secondary move not knowing that it's called zugzwang lol. In games I'm paired with 200 now and I spend some time on calculation (around 5 mins), they don't do the best moves I imagined. They do sth bizzare usually and it confuses me SO very much to the extend that I don't handle well the time I have left.
I got between a 1000 and 1600, calculated Qe5+ Kh6 (I missed that Kf8 protects from attacking on e8), then Re8 Qd7 (this misses the defense by Qg5), Qxc7 Rxc7, Ra8 - with the assumption that now black has a more active king but their rook is stuck protecting the pawn on a7. Stockfish says I've turned a won game into a draw, but at least it did agree with me on a4 as best move at the end of my sequence :)
I'm in the same level as you,,😅My rating is 990 now (I've started playing chess seeing my friend & it is nearly 4-6 months I'm playing).. I'm in search of a solid opening,,can you help
@@masudurrahman7003 at our level a solid opening is any opening you know well enough :) Pick one and study it a little. If an opening is described as leading to complicated and/or dynamic games, it's probably not beginner friendly. Anything with "modern" in name or description is probably best for at least early intermediate players. My trick to gaining rating is keeping it cool. When I go for a crazy game it will probably be lost. Which too can be fun!
These are the principles used to solve this puzzle : 1. Maintain the pressure 2. look for forcing move 3.Choose some cadediates moves 4.try to figure out what your opponents reactions or possible moves( all of them if you can ) 5. Try to keep the king on a side or corner of the board where it won't just run 6.Eliminate the defender by forcing them to recapture or to just move as per this we can get Queen to E5 check as best move!
What a great video, quite unique in approach. Regarding your observation about players not being able to see the possible good moves of their opponent, what do you think about the idea of playing a bunch of games while looking at the board from your opponent's side while you play?
Would love an opinion: 1800 for me, apply pressure where you can so Q-e5, K-g8, white wins a pawn ... However I was worried about K-h6 because it leads the white queen away, therefore you must force a checkmate or the undefended rook might be in danger (my thoughts) ... Anyway I could not visualise all the variations in that situation so I had to play k-h6 out on a board ... so does that put me lower than 1800? Thanks.
I am currently 998 rated and I always manage to perform really well in your puzzles, but I don't know why I end up blundering in my games. Please tell me why?
In a puzzle you have inf time and you don't feel rushed or in risk of loosing elo so you're calm and think good But in game you can feel the opposite and that leads to loosing
That's because in this puzzles you know tht there is a winning move in the given position but in real games there is noone to tell you that there is winning move
In puzzles, you know that there is a solution. But in real games, you don't see it because you weren't looking for tactics because no one told you there was a tactic
I stopped calculating at the 2100 point because I couldn't see any obvious mates. I saw the queen sacrifice and then taking the pawns in an easy endgame, but I guess that's why I lose so many games when I play 2000-2300 players....getting too focused on one thing and not seeing the big picture against opponents who know what they're doing. I got frustrated looking for mate and in a real game, I'll flag like I have so many times. Great video!
Hello Igor! What makes you say it is an ancien technique.? When , where and who used it for the first time to establish chess players' levels... Please give some references to this claim. Thank you !!
I got a rating of 1600 in your puzzle, after Kf8 I couldn't visualize further so I completed the line with Kf8.. I noticed the zugzwang when the position actually happened on the board.. I'm 1400 in rapid so I'm pretty happy
I am reminded of a zen saying. "When the student is ready, the Master will appear". Also: "Be mindful, concentrate, be aware. Most important of all, in chess, lose your attachment to your ego. "
Hi, I don't think it's truly the end after Qe8, as you say about the chess bullying and zugzwang. Black still can't play anything. You can move white king or pawns until black is forced to move the rook to also pick up the rook as well in the end. Unless I'm overlooking something, it should be a complete clean up of all black pieces.
as a 1600 elo player,ive found qf6 because i defend the rook once,so black cant take with the king,but if he takes with the queen or the rook,he is getting mated with Qh8#.We are also threathening checkmate on f7,and black cant do anything about it,there is simply no defense.
No one should take this too seriously. It´s still just one position, which is actually a rather simple one with only a few reasonable variations. It might serve you as a positive reinforcement if you get to Qf6 for instance and Igor says your strength is 2100 but that´s about it. If you are serious about chess in any way and you don´t think about moves like Qe8 as it´s the only move on the board to protect f7 apart from taking on e7, you should probably reconsider your career choice. The ability to see that one move does not suddenly make you 400 points stronger. Any 2100 player should be able to see it from a long way off. Another thing - retreating is in most cases the least expected option for your opponent and as such can be extremely efficient in catching them off guard. Too often looking only one way leads to an inevitable disaster when everything could have been different had you only considered a retreating move somewhere in your variation. Maneuvers like Qa4->d1->h5 are worth studying and remembering. Even though generally speaking he's right and you should aim to primarily go forward and have as active pieces as possible, retreating moves here and there could help you achieve your active long term plan. Lastly - when considering Re8 variations, more logical way of doubling on the last rank would seem with 2.Qe4 and 3.Qa8 which would not relinquish control over the e file, at least not immediately. I'm not saying it would give white anything here but if mentioning it, it would make sense to me to consider more reasonable moves instead of a clearly inferior 2.Rc8 where it's black who's better.
I am a rapid player with a rating of ~1,000. I got a rating of 1,800 on this puzzle. The reason I lose so many games isn't because I can't calculate long lines, it's because I get lazy and choose not to, or because I miss something that involves a queen sacrifice on their part or something. In other words, I can play brilliant moves, but I can just as easily blunder
I'm between 1,200 and 1,600 on this puzzle. I was able to calculate all the variations through KG8 and KH6, but I didn't go back and think about KF8, I just concluded that it was a winning line for white.
First of all, I'm impressed that your system worked!! Secondly, thank you for opening my eyes with practical puzzles. My last official tournament rating was 1850. And, true to your commentary, I saw everything up to the Zugzwang. I just assumed my attacking Rook could be captured and never even thought about waiting moves. Thanks for helping me on my quest to break 2000.
The puzzle checks out -- I found QE5 check, and I noticed if KG8 we win the queen, and KH6 eventually ends in mate. But I completely missed the option of KF8. So that puts me at 1600 according to this evaluation -- and my online rapid rating is 1600.
at my good days i can play as a 1500 rated, but in bad days i always blunder. And i like your videos about punish unsound openings. Now peoples never play scholars mate or pins my knight. That queen F6 is very interesting. I always go most forward with my pieces so perhaps i would had found that without any calculations.
Has to be Qe5+ Kf8 and Rd7 playing for a draw. Re8 Qc7 would also be quite nice, making the Black King unable to go to f8, with the possibility of creating a mating net initiative by storming the white h and g pawns towards him. However, in the first line, Black's King will always be vulnerable to checks, but I don't see a way for White or Black to gain an advantage.
My 11 year old son solved it and got the 2500 level although he is currently not rated in FIDE yet. I'm gonna have to prepare for my ego beatdown later on. Thanks GM Smirnov for the nice video. =)
I knew that the Queen check was the right option so it's a nice compliment that I am considered a 1600. However, I was so adamant that the King moving to h6 was the right choice but after I saw your Checkmate pattern and why it led to a fast ending, I have subtracted 400 ELO points to myself and set myself at a 1200, which is right where I am at. 😂 This was an awesome video that provided some excellent insight.
I was able to find the best move with queen threatining a checkmate or winning a queen which is 2100 ELO, while in lichess I have almost 1550 : ) , not sure why I'm losing some games but I think I have to improve my game ending and to master the standard openings as well. Thank you for this amazing explanation ! Note: I was able to win against some 1700 rated players online and was very close to winning against 1800 ratings but missed the win due to blunders or not finding the best move quickly enough. But I still believe I can reach 2000 rating one day !
I like the ideas of these puzzle for rating. The reason that someone may be able to solve the puzzle to the end but only be a 1600-1800 is that in order to rate as say a 2500 you need to play like a 2500# in the opening, the middlegame and the endgame which only a real 2500 is capable of. For example, I would bet that most 1800s even still play the endgame like a 1000 rated player in the endgame. They cannot force checkmate with B + B vs K let alone B + N vs K or even separate the K from the opponent Room in a Q vs R endgame. Then you have the endgames with just pawns. Ask a 1800 what is meant in pawn endings by gaining the Kings opposition, key squares, critical squares, gaining the coordination, etc You could spend a lifetime just studying the endgame books of the Godfather of Endgame studies, Yuri Averbakh, his series Comprehensive Chess Endings with a whole book devoted to each endgame type. Check it out.
@@yotoober1 Yes, I am aware of that, but that does not detract from what you can learn from his work. I steered many games into won K+P and N vs B endings based upon the concepts he presented, exceeding the endgame skill levels of most GMs whose endgame play is also not perfect. Even until just recently Naka was losing to Carlson because he was being taken advantage of in this manner.
I think a critical line wasn't really considered properly. 1 Qe5+ Kh6 2 Qf4+ Kh5 3 Re5? g5! As the black queen prevents 4. Qxg5#, and if you try to carry on 4 Qf3+ Kg6! 5 Qf5 Kg7, the king escapes and although you win a pawn in this line after 6 Qxg5 its not so clear. Instead I think you need to find 3 g4! Kh4 4 g5 Kh5 5 Qg4#.
@@michaelkremer9120 I believe after Kh5 you could have 3. Qg4+ Kh6 4. Rxd7 wins the rook (or the queen if they take back with Qxd7) but you are right that 3. g4+ is the best move because after Kh4 4. Qh6 is actually check mate …So Igor didn’t even bother going that far because almost any thought out move is winning
If 4. g5, then you also have Kh3 since the h pawn is not protected by the g pawn anymore, but then 5. Qg3# so still a bad route for black. Hence every decent move from white wins so Igor didn’t bother explaining I guess
I got 1000 but I've just started playing more seriously and my very first thought was to move the rook up and try to force a queen exchange which works well with how my brain works so I will always accept a queen exchange. I wouldn't have thought of checking them mainly because at my ELO rating there are just endless, pointless spite checks but clearly I was missing the advantages.
I got 1800, but it was after 5 min of thinking. Picked chess up 2 years ago after I turned 50, it's not a big game in South Africa. Nice video, really enjoyed it. Oh yeah, my internet rating is around 1000, doubt if I even play once or twice a week, guess it can be a nice game if you learn it while still young. 😊
i think amount of time taken looking at the position should be considered as well, im only 1700(peak) rapid and i spotted everything except for Qe5+, Kf8. Qf6, Qe8. the best continuation i saw for black is Qe5+, Kg8. Re8+, Qxe8. Qxe8+, Kg7. Qxd7, ... which is clearly inferior.
I got a rating 2500 in this puzzle but still get smashed v CPU 2100 rating. I love the Ruy Lopez opening and once the cpu chooses bishop e7 I tend to struggle. I've watched all your videos on Ruy Lopez but can you do a variations video and how to counter them? All the best with the channel. Happy Chessboxing ✌🏼
Understood that Qe5+ is best by intuition like in a second but when started calculating black's Kh6 and Kf8 then took a while to see white's moves. Later found black's Qe8 defensive move as well but only because I was looking for a defense, probably would find that only in a classical time control game. Kinda shows to me that I'm not as good in fast time controls but much greater at classical which my actual chess results also show.
I didn't calculate everything (maybe I should've paused the video), but I knew Kf8 looked like the only option for black and found Qf6 after that. The problem are these unfinished calculations, because in a real games I'm often surprised by one of "looks winning" options that I didn't calculate far enough to be sure.
I.. Got 2500. I didn't notice the zugzwang part, but I was calculating from Qe5 right away. It took me a bit to figure out what was wrong with Kh6, and same for finding Qf6. Qe8 was kinda brushed off as just the only move that didn't lose immediately so I stopped calculating after that. Kinda funny since I'm a 1000 elo points lower IRL, so maybe this was a tad bit too easy? Then again, online my Lichess rating is 2100, and cc rating is 1700, even if I don't play much online
After spotting qe8, I decided then to stop calculating immediately. Why would you calculate after seeing qe8 rxe8 even though it's obviously a winning position for white?
I am 1500(approx) and was able to do 2100 meaning the first intuitive move i saw and calculated was Qf6 and calculated it was winning . however i dont think that means anything because i suck at endings and arguably also opening with black so i either get a disadvantage early game or win the game if it doesnt drag till 60 moves which kinda happens more frequently as you climb rating ladder . Waiting for more such videos!!
Idk if I'm missing smth but after Qe5+ Kf8 I thought there was a draw after Qh8 + bcz K×R and now Qe5 + again and it's a repetition right? Like I know a bad move but leads to a draw not a loss ..
As a 1900 blitz player I saw something different, I didn't consider there was a forced win I saw that you could actually sacrifice the rook and force a draw because the Queen, and rook are blocking the escape squares for the black king, so I wanted to play QH8+ KXE7 QE5+ KF8 QH8 repetition, I considered QF6, but I figured the forced draw was enough at least I wouldn't be losing in that scenario, in Blitz in a time scramble that draw will most certainly do.
1250 on Lichess and I got to around 1400. I saw the 3 candidate moves but I misread some of the lines, missing moves like queen f4 if king h6 and that king f8 queen h8 does not work because the rook is now hanging.
2100 I stopped the calculations after Qf6. Like Igor said, I can find nice tactics, attacking ideas, and brilliant moves, but when it comes to calculating my opponent best moves, I suck😂
there is a problem with the first move as a position when you put the E7 turn, it takes it instantly with the queen or the turn, you don't get to move both the turn and the queen in that position
Sorry but after Qe8 isn't black in zugzwang, can't we play Kh2/kh1 for example and win the game? Because at same point they have to lose a rook at least to not get checkmated, but Q+R vs Q is clearly better than Q vs R and we have a powerful attac that would probably finish in a mate pretty soon
I didn't have time to finish the video. But queen check seems reasonable. If king goes to h6 you check again on F4 King back to f7 you take the pawn with check and m1. If king goes to h5 you should probably check with the rook. IDK. Seems to me everything is winning after that
I have about 1000 elo and I was sort of inbetween the 1000/1200 that you mentioned. I started calculating QE5 check and King going to H6 so started to doubt that line and thought maybe the rook move RE8 was better though I never considered Kf8 from black. I am actually canny happy with my result as it confirms I am at my own rating though seeing ideas and concepts that might enable me to get better, my peak rating was 1111 (rapid) so seems like i have some good ideas much room to improve and has given me thoughts on how to get better
WOW this was very fun! I would love more videos like this. Curious how according to this video I’m 1600 but I’m still at 810 in Rapid. I need to slow down and think more!
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I am asking please to help me with your book actually I can't afford them and your classes am from Africa from a country called Zambia 400USD is too much for us you multiple it by 21 that is k8,400 then my dad gets k5,000 😢 just asking please am asking for help Igor Smirnov please Mr😢
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00:00 This Puzzle Tells Your Chess Talent Level
00:27 500 ELO Rating Level
00:38 800 ELO Rating Level
00:52 1000 ELO Rating Level
01:24 1200 ELO Rating Level
01:47 The Right Way Of Thinking In Chess
04:39 Solving puzzles VS Finding it in real game
05:24 1600 ELO Rating Level
08:08 1800 ELO Rating Level
09:01 2100 ELO Rating Level
10:09 2500 ELO Rating Level
The Beginning Puzzle:
1. Qe5+ Kf8
2. Qf6 Qe8
3. Rxe8+ Kxe8
Me getting a 2500 ELO rating level while actually being 1700 ELO 😂😂
@@Ishaan419 same
@@Ishaan419It's true that i am 1600 elo😂 but i didn't analyze further
I according to this puzzle am 1000 lol😂😂😂😂
Awesome idea :D would be interested in more vids like this.
8:20 Qh8 is obviously a blunder, but it is still a draw. After Kxe7 Qe5+ white can repeat the position. I got 1800 rating.
I noticed that, too.
Same with Re8+
Anish would be so proud
@@jedrekpobocki7534 nice when black tries to escape with kd8 u have qb8
1800 which is similar to my current rating. Toughest part is calculating opponent moves
Yea, I'm 800 rapid but could get 1800
I got to 2500 and I am 1400. My puzzle rating is 3300 though.
After thw Q+ K is forced to conceed to thd h6 square, y u might ask. Kf6 is just positionally bad since Qf6 closes the box. XR is out watch your back...rank. and one of the things fisher disliked about the opening setup in chess the weak f7 square comes to mind
After king conceeds to h6 just Qf4 and king must give more ground. This whole supposed puzzle must be some type of joke.
1750 rapid and calculated till the end of the 2500 line
I got 1600 on this puzzle (rated 1100 rapid). Many things beyond this tell me i am not hitting my potential in rapid. I think i see all these things slower and i can fail to perform well under time pressure. I got as far as seeing i would win a pawn and have better activity after seeing the Kf8 option for black so I'm happy with that. a4 was never going to come to mind but i had seen Qf4+. These are obviously broad ranges but it's a nice puzzle.
We're in the same boat, 1'100 and scored 1'600 here.
My main issue is also implementing puzzle- or rather spotting them. My puzzle rank is around 2'050 with a peak of 2'200. When I know there's a definite solution to the position I have a reasonable chance of spotting it, real games just seem so much more nebulous.
bro i am 1300 in rapid and i got 2100 in this vdo, but my problem is i play the game very well but then blunder a piece and lose
@@ebraheememad9593 it adds to a picture that some of us have done plenty of puzzles and can find these motifs when prompted but have other weaknesses in ours games. Yesterday I won a 10+5 game after straight up blundering a knight but only because I found a sneaky revealed pin to recover material balance and then I had a more active king in the endgame and got a passed pawn. I even went into that game trying to just focus on not volunteering material and I still did. That's what will unlock the next rating range for me.
A4 is not a real move, it's a random move to "pass" the turn without changing the position. The point was realizing Black is in zugzwang.
Could've made any other random move like A3, F3, G3, G4, Kh1...
your own mind is limiting your potential, just believe in yourself
Bullet players laugh in the face of blinders 😂
Haha I'm actually 2215 bullet and got 2500 estimate lol
@@punamsingh6500 that's impressive
i've yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet
Bullet is not real "chess"... it's more like an "arcade" videogame version of it...
@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici I get what you're saying and I agree with it some what, but bullet chess is still chess. You just don't have so much time to calculate & make the moves, so you got to employ different kind of strategies to be good at it than with classical or even Rapid chess. In 5min Blitz you have a little time to calculate and in 3min very little.
I think a huge part of this is time. It's not just that puzzles have solutions, but that we take the time to find them. In a game, the ideas here won't necessarily jump out to players during the time that they allow themselves to think. This is why knowing patterns and having opening prep can be so powerful-they guide you to the correct response without requiring thought, and they also give you more time to think when you need it.
I miss-calculated Qe5+ Kf8 Re8+ Qxe8 Qh8#. It's not mate because of Ke7. Also, I was not entirely sure where the line with Kh6 ended, but I figured it would be better for white. Finally, from the position at 9:03, I saw Qf6 Qe8. I guess that puts me around 1500 because I fell just short of the 1600 mark.
I am a 3+0 Blitz player with an on-line Blitz rating of Elo 1900-2000 (Elo 2078 is my current pick). In this puzzle I reached Elo 1800.
Thank you so much Igor and please, bring more of these Elo calculating puzzles!
All the best,
Marco
EarlyJaques
Blitz is not real chess bro
@@Georgewalsh100 silly comment. it's just a different format. one that i suck at and one i'm guessing you do as well. i'm about a 2000 according to this puzzle but i'm terrible in short timed games like a 1200.
@@Georgewalsh100 overused statement.
Its simply is another time format.
@@Georgewalsh100 Yes it is.
I love these videos with puzzle with different layers !!
I got to 1800 on that one
Being 2000 rapid and 1700 blitz / bullet
Quite acurate I would say
I missed that Qf6 move, I thought I had to trade that rook but black actually cant take it, very nice !
Same here. I had same range of rapid and blitz, then got 1800 in this test. What a pleasure to see someone got same with me😂
Make that 3 of us. 😆😆 My last tournament rating was 1850. When he revealed the Zugzwang, my mouth dropped opened. I felt stupid to miss it, but it was a clear indicator that I haven't actually broken 2000 yet.
@@rockmyworldmusic ikr😂
I was like, bruuh i literally didn't see that coming and just went for the pawn🤣
1800
These are great, I agree.
Another epic video Igor! Please upload more videos like this! Thanks! 👍
I'm a beginner - started around the first of the year. I was 1000-1200 on this puzzle. Very interesting analysis, thanks Igor.
4:49 Didn’t see the beef coming😂
Kramnik did this to himself 😂
I love how Igor makes EVERY video useful and informative, and entertaining. Thanks
Happy to hear that!
1. I quickly saw Qe5 leaving the black king with 3 legal moves. I didn't see Re8 because Qe5 just simply felt like the best move.
2. I quickly calculated Kg8 is bad, Kh6 was weird, and Kf8 seemed like the best move.
3. If Kh6 I saw Qf4 and after that things felt weird I couldn't see much good after that. With Kh6 and Qf4, if Kh5 then g4, Kf4 forced, and took me a minute or two to find Qh6 mate. But if Kh6 and Qf4, and Kh7, my mind got stuck on a repetition of moves and I didn't see Qxf7. So then Kf8 I could really only see Rxd7 and I missed Qf6.
4. So then I calculated that Qe5 Kf8, Rxd7 Qxd7, Qh8 Ke7, Qxh7 was the best line I could think of. Again, completely missing the winning move and not realizing black was in zugzwang.
But at 10:00 with black to move, I did actually find Qe8 as black's best move to not be mated.
Personally, I think puzzles set up situations that are far too convenient for you and that you have a certain expectation of, so it is easier for one to spot a good move. But then, in an actual game, you don't have that expectation and convenience, so finding those killer moves is more complicated. At the very least, this is my issue, in addition to needing to know more openings. My puzzles rating on chess.com is 2100, and even though I very rarely play an actual game these days, my rating is 1000.
This is exactly the issue with puzzles, you already know there is a tactic/winning move here. In a game, it's a lot harder to spot, expect maybe in classical if you take time for thinking at almost every move.
Even super GM has this bias, in the match between MVL and Hans Niemann in the speedchess, as stockfish indicate a strong advantage for MVL after a mistake, the NM commentator found instantly the tactic, and MVL, even after 20s thinking missed it, just because it wasn't evident for him that there was something there.
that zugzwang move made me have chills lmao thats a nasty move
Explore all variation lines and not just a few! That is my takeaway here. A lovely position to work through.
8:10 We actually do not lose with Qh8+ but we can force a draw with Qe5+, Qh8+ repetition. Not the best move but something cool to notice.
Got the 2100 calculation fairly quickly and then stopped looking for further continuations on that line since it looked like a win by force (so didn't get 2500), and instead went back to the other line to calculate what would happen after 1 qe5+ kh6 qf4+ kh5 which wasn't covered in this video
as far as actual rating, about 1900-2000 uscf
Before I started watching your videos explaining your thinking I would have been way down at the 800's, but pleased to say I got around 1600!! Been playing properly for about 9 months now. Just missed I could pick up the pawn on h7! Thank you for all your videos
Nice exercise. Am only 1400 OTB, 1700ish Chesscom but I managed to solve at the highest level 2500, saw Qe8 as the only way to keep it going. I spent my time on Kh6 first, solved that, then Kf8 was initially tricky but I got it fairly quick once I saw how the rook couldn't be taken Qf6 jumped out to me.
Actually it not a zugzwang in 9:48 because of Rd6
That removes a guard for the f7 pawn and you set yourself up for a fork in the future.
So after Rd6, white plays Qf6 threatening mate. Only two ways to defend. Qe8 or Rf5.
If Rf5, then its forced M2 or M3.
If Qe8, rook takes queen, king retakes, then white goes Qc6, forking the king and the rook. Only way to save both is for black to get their rook pinned to the king which is sad.
If black dont play rd6, black at least wouldnt start having their only piece pinned after the sequence.
So really, theres no moves for black's major pieces that doesnt make things worse.
@@shaokhanwins1037 if you play Qf6 as white after Rd6 for black, you're just dropping the queen
@@samuelcardin6972 ahh, I thought they said rd5 for some reason. But it is still zugzwang because rd6 make the position worse. Not only does it hang rxa7 losing a pawn, it also set up a mate threat on h8. Rook f6 for black is the best move to defend, but now it is pinned. There is still nothing black can do that doesn't make things worse after that, arguably even less so.
8:13 small correction, there is *at least* a perpetual with Qe5+ and Qh8+. Very important to notice if in a game where a draw is all you need to win a tournament or something :)
8:58 I think there should be a little more calculation after Qxh7. Something like Qe6 threatens Qe1/Qe2 which could be quite deadly. Of course White can just play Kf1 or Qh4+ followed by Qe4, it's important to not be too complacent with the fact that you've just won a pawn.
I did NOT see the beautiful Qf6 idea in any of my calculations, but I am not a 2100+ :) I would say the rating is quite accurate for me!
Knowing that a puzzle is a puzzle makes it so much easier because you know a solution exists so you can keep looking until you find it. In normal play you don't know the puzzle is present, and without that guarantee your thought process is completely different.
i wasn't expecting that a puzzle could be this accurate 😂
Somewhere between 1200 and 1600. I did work out that Kf8 was most likely. But I went with Re8 as I didn't see where I could go with the checks.
It is quite accurate.
Superb video! It tells that a seemingly simple position can contain a big depth!
Thanks for watching💛
2,100 for finding Qf6! You can't be serious.
What a fantastic puzzle. Where did you find it? I got 2500. I don't think the variations are over though, white does not have to take the queen. White can play a4 and eventually black will run out of pawn moves and have to start sacing pawns.
It took me about 5-7 minutes to get to the 1800, and thats where I started to hit my wall. I maybe could have pushed harder, but decided to stop. How much time should we spend on this type of calculation? Sometimes when I do puzzles online I take upwards of 20 minutes haha. I also know that spending that much time is unrealistic in an actual game.
My thoughts exactly. I've been learning for almost a month now (as an absolute beginner) and I got to the 1800 level puzzle in around the same time you did. I even thought at some point: let's leave it as it is because as black I wouldn't take this or that so I included that secondary move not knowing that it's called zugzwang lol. In games I'm paired with 200 now and I spend some time on calculation (around 5 mins), they don't do the best moves I imagined. They do sth bizzare usually and it confuses me SO very much to the extend that I don't handle well the time I have left.
I got between a 1000 and 1600, calculated Qe5+ Kh6 (I missed that Kf8 protects from attacking on e8), then Re8 Qd7 (this misses the defense by Qg5), Qxc7 Rxc7, Ra8 - with the assumption that now black has a more active king but their rook is stuck protecting the pawn on a7. Stockfish says I've turned a won game into a draw, but at least it did agree with me on a4 as best move at the end of my sequence :)
I'm in the same level as you,,😅My rating is 990 now (I've started playing chess seeing my friend & it is nearly 4-6 months I'm playing).. I'm in search of a solid opening,,can you help
@@masudurrahman7003 at our level a solid opening is any opening you know well enough :) Pick one and study it a little. If an opening is described as leading to complicated and/or dynamic games, it's probably not beginner friendly. Anything with "modern" in name or description is probably best for at least early intermediate players. My trick to gaining rating is keeping it cool. When I go for a crazy game it will probably be lost. Which too can be fun!
@@mikoajp.5890 which opening you like to play
Another example why this young man has become my favorite chess tutor. Many thanks.
These are the principles used to solve this puzzle :
1. Maintain the pressure
2. look for forcing move
3.Choose some cadediates moves
4.try to figure out what your opponents reactions or possible moves( all of them if you can )
5. Try to keep the king on a side or corner of the board where it won't just run
6.Eliminate the defender by forcing them to recapture or to just move
as per this we can get Queen to E5 check as best move!
Actuaaly the main point is to look for invasion on black's weak dark squares.
I am 2300, and in less than a minute I found whole line including last black’s move. I am far from being elite or 2500. Anyway very good content!!!
2500 elo as a rapid 2000 player, good vid as always!
What a great video, quite unique in approach.
Regarding your observation about players not being able to see the possible good moves of their opponent, what do you think about the idea of playing a bunch of games while looking at the board from your opponent's side while you play?
At 8:25 you could sacrifice the rook by playing eg f4 and if the queen or room took the rook, QH8 is checkmate.
This is the most helpful video to help me understand how to calculate in chess
Would love an opinion: 1800 for me, apply pressure where you can so Q-e5, K-g8, white wins a pawn ... However I was worried about K-h6 because it leads the white queen away, therefore you must force a checkmate or the undefended rook might be in danger (my thoughts) ... Anyway I could not visualise all the variations in that situation so I had to play k-h6 out on a board ... so does that put me lower than 1800? Thanks.
I am currently 998 rated and I always manage to perform really well in your puzzles, but I don't know why I end up blundering in my games. Please tell me why?
Time pressure. Plus the mindset is different when one plays games with real people.
In a puzzle you have inf time and you don't feel rushed or in risk of loosing elo so you're calm and think good
But in game you can feel the opposite and that leads to loosing
That's because in this puzzles you know tht there is a winning move in the given position but in real games there is noone to tell you that there is winning move
In puzzles, you know that there is a solution. But in real games, you don't see it because you weren't looking for tactics because no one told you there was a tactic
Play like a good time control game in which you can think if a tactic is possible.15+10 for you recommended
I stopped calculating at the 2100 point because I couldn't see any obvious mates. I saw the queen sacrifice and then taking the pawns in an easy endgame, but I guess that's why I lose so many games when I play 2000-2300 players....getting too focused on one thing and not seeing the big picture against opponents who know what they're doing. I got frustrated looking for mate and in a real game, I'll flag like I have so many times.
Great video!
Hello Igor! What makes you say it is an ancien technique.? When , where and who used it for the first time to establish chess players' levels... Please give some references to this claim. Thank you !!
i play like a 1200 but get scholars mated or get caught up in aggressive openings which made me lose elo and im at 700 currently
online chess is full of cheaters. join a club and your rating will be minimum 1400
@@Aienhel actually that reminds me of some guy i played against. game review said he played like a 2100. he started with an agressive opening too
I got a rating of 1600 in your puzzle, after Kf8 I couldn't visualize further so I completed the line with Kf8.. I noticed the zugzwang when the position actually happened on the board.. I'm 1400 in rapid so I'm pretty happy
I am reminded of a zen saying.
"When the student is ready, the Master will appear".
Also:
"Be mindful, concentrate, be aware. Most important of all, in chess, lose your attachment to your ego. "
Hi, I don't think it's truly the end after Qe8, as you say about the chess bullying and zugzwang. Black still can't play anything. You can move white king or pawns until black is forced to move the rook to also pick up the rook as well in the end. Unless I'm overlooking something, it should be a complete clean up of all black pieces.
as a 1600 elo player,ive found qf6 because i defend the rook once,so black cant take with the king,but if he takes with the queen or the rook,he is getting mated with Qh8#.We are also threathening checkmate on f7,and black cant do anything about it,there is simply no defense.
No one should take this too seriously. It´s still just one position, which is actually a rather simple one with only a few reasonable variations. It might serve you as a positive reinforcement if you get to Qf6 for instance and Igor says your strength is 2100 but that´s about it. If you are serious about chess in any way and you don´t think about moves like Qe8 as it´s the only move on the board to protect f7 apart from taking on e7, you should probably reconsider your career choice. The ability to see that one move does not suddenly make you 400 points stronger. Any 2100 player should be able to see it from a long way off.
Another thing - retreating is in most cases the least expected option for your opponent and as such can be extremely efficient in catching them off guard. Too often looking only one way leads to an inevitable disaster when everything could have been different had you only considered a retreating move somewhere in your variation. Maneuvers like Qa4->d1->h5 are worth studying and remembering. Even though generally speaking he's right and you should aim to primarily go forward and have as active pieces as possible, retreating moves here and there could help you achieve your active long term plan.
Lastly - when considering Re8 variations, more logical way of doubling on the last rank would seem with 2.Qe4 and 3.Qa8 which would not relinquish control over the e file, at least not immediately. I'm not saying it would give white anything here but if mentioning it, it would make sense to me to consider more reasonable moves instead of a clearly inferior 2.Rc8 where it's black who's better.
I am a rapid player with a rating of ~1,000. I got a rating of 1,800 on this puzzle. The reason I lose so many games isn't because I can't calculate long lines, it's because I get lazy and choose not to, or because I miss something that involves a queen sacrifice on their part or something. In other words, I can play brilliant moves, but I can just as easily blunder
I got 2100 rating I'm (1500) rapid. I got a question, to be a FM you have to get 2300 FIDE rating in classical or in any time control
Classical
@@vowkix9003 thank you
I'm between 1,200 and 1,600 on this puzzle. I was able to calculate all the variations through KG8 and KH6, but I didn't go back and think about KF8, I just concluded that it was a winning line for white.
My real elo is 1190 but i calculated to 2700 with ease in just 1 min
During the zugzwang, could black play Rd5? 9:52
Do you do live training in that program? (Not just video). Thank you for this introduction and for all that you do to help us!
First of all, I'm impressed that your system worked!! Secondly, thank you for opening my eyes with practical puzzles.
My last official tournament rating was 1850. And, true to your commentary, I saw everything up to the Zugzwang. I just assumed my attacking Rook could be captured and never even thought about waiting moves.
Thanks for helping me on my quest to break 2000.
The puzzle checks out -- I found QE5 check, and I noticed if KG8 we win the queen, and KH6 eventually ends in mate. But I completely missed the option of KF8. So that puts me at 1600 according to this evaluation -- and my online rapid rating is 1600.
How long are you supposed to take to get that 2500 solution with all the calculations? or do you just find it within the introduction time?
Pretty sure 2500s can figure out the whole line in less than 30sec...I've seen the chessbrah's quickly calculate lines like that many times
at my good days i can play as a 1500 rated, but in bad days i always blunder. And i like your videos about punish unsound openings. Now peoples never play scholars mate or pins my knight. That queen F6 is very interesting. I always go most forward with my pieces so perhaps i would had found that without any calculations.
While I've solved this puzzle, it's worth pointing out that checking on h8 with the queen prematurely doesn't lose the game due to the perpetual.
Has to be Qe5+ Kf8 and Rd7 playing for a draw. Re8 Qc7 would also be quite nice, making the Black King unable to go to f8, with the possibility of creating a mating net initiative by storming the white h and g pawns towards him. However, in the first line, Black's King will always be vulnerable to checks, but I don't see a way for White or Black to gain an advantage.
Just saw the rest of the video. Wow, Qf6 was insane. Then Qe8, great puzzle!
My 11 year old son solved it and got the 2500 level although he is currently not rated in FIDE yet. I'm gonna have to prepare for my ego beatdown later on. Thanks GM Smirnov for the nice video. =)
I knew that the Queen check was the right option so it's a nice compliment that I am considered a 1600. However, I was so adamant that the King moving to h6 was the right choice but after I saw your Checkmate pattern and why it led to a fast ending, I have subtracted 400 ELO points to myself and set myself at a 1200, which is right where I am at. 😂
This was an awesome video that provided some excellent insight.
You're welcome, appreciate you for being here
I was able to find the best move with queen threatining a checkmate or winning a queen which is 2100 ELO, while in lichess I have almost 1550 : ) , not sure why I'm losing some games but I think I have to improve my game ending and to master the standard openings as well. Thank you for this amazing explanation !
Note: I was able to win against some 1700 rated players online and was very close to winning against 1800 ratings but missed the win due to blunders or not finding the best move quickly enough. But I still believe I can reach 2000 rating one day !
I like the ideas of these puzzle for rating. The reason that someone may be able to solve the puzzle to the end but only be a 1600-1800 is that in order to rate as say a 2500 you need to play like a 2500# in the opening, the middlegame and the endgame which only a real 2500 is capable of. For example, I would bet that most 1800s even still play the endgame like a 1000 rated player in the endgame.
They cannot force checkmate with B + B vs K let alone B + N vs K or even separate the K from the opponent Room in a Q vs R endgame.
Then you have the endgames with just pawns. Ask a 1800 what is meant in pawn endings by gaining the Kings opposition, key squares, critical squares, gaining the coordination, etc
You could spend a lifetime just studying the endgame books of the Godfather of Endgame studies, Yuri Averbakh, his series Comprehensive Chess Endings with a whole book devoted to each endgame type. Check it out.
Actually Averbakh was not so much help in the endgame at the highest level for me as Fine.
Yes, Fine did put out an decent endgame book quite some time ago, but his book was later found to have many errors creating cooked lines in them.
@@yotoober1 Yes, I am aware of that, but that does not detract from what you can learn from his work.
I steered many games into won K+P and N vs B endings based upon the concepts he presented, exceeding the endgame skill levels of most GMs whose endgame play is also not perfect. Even until just recently Naka was losing to Carlson because he was being taken advantage of in this manner.
hello mr igor
i am very thankful to you as because of you 1 reached 1200 elo from 600 elo in 3 months
The same dude
@@guneyedyn2717 that's nice
Congrats! I hope it is not just in this puzzle. :)
@@GMIgorSmirnov no its in real chess tournaments
I think a critical line wasn't really considered properly. 1 Qe5+ Kh6 2 Qf4+ Kh5 3 Re5? g5! As the black queen prevents 4. Qxg5#, and if you try to carry on 4 Qf3+ Kg6! 5 Qf5 Kg7, the king escapes and although you win a pawn in this line after 6 Qxg5 its not so clear. Instead I think you need to find 3 g4! Kh4 4 g5 Kh5 5 Qg4#.
Or 2.... Kh5 3. g4+ Kh4 4. Qh6# or did I miss something?
@@michaelkremer9120 I believe after Kh5 you could have 3. Qg4+ Kh6 4. Rxd7 wins the rook (or the queen if they take back with Qxd7) but you are right that 3. g4+ is the best move because after Kh4 4. Qh6 is actually check mate …So Igor didn’t even bother going that far because almost any thought out move is winning
If 4. g5, then you also have Kh3 since the h pawn is not protected by the g pawn anymore, but then 5. Qg3# so still a bad route for black. Hence every decent move from white wins so Igor didn’t bother explaining I guess
...Kh6 wasn't discussed because it's a horrible move for black.
Honestly I first suspected that this "ancient technique" was just playing chess until your elo shows 😂
I'm intrigued why people would stop calculating at "2100" when you have such a critical position and you've calculated all the way up to that point
I got 1000 but I've just started playing more seriously and my very first thought was to move the rook up and try to force a queen exchange which works well with how my brain works so I will always accept a queen exchange. I wouldn't have thought of checking them mainly because at my ELO rating there are just endless, pointless spite checks but clearly I was missing the advantages.
I got 1800, but it was after 5 min of thinking. Picked chess up 2 years ago after I turned 50, it's not a big game in South Africa. Nice video, really enjoyed it. Oh yeah, my internet rating is around 1000, doubt if I even play once or twice a week, guess it can be a nice game if you learn it while still young. 😊
i think amount of time taken looking at the position should be considered as well, im only 1700(peak) rapid and i spotted everything except for Qe5+, Kf8. Qf6, Qe8. the best continuation i saw for black is Qe5+, Kg8. Re8+, Qxe8. Qxe8+, Kg7. Qxd7, ... which is clearly inferior.
I got a rating 2500 in this puzzle but still get smashed v CPU 2100 rating. I love the Ruy Lopez opening and once the cpu chooses bishop e7 I tend to struggle. I've watched all your videos on Ruy Lopez but can you do a variations video and how to counter them? All the best with the channel. Happy Chessboxing ✌🏼
Wouldn't black Q to c7 also prevent mate, without the need to sac the Q ?
Understood that Qe5+ is best by intuition like in a second but when started calculating black's Kh6 and Kf8 then took a while to see white's moves. Later found black's Qe8 defensive move as well but only because I was looking for a defense, probably would find that only in a classical time control game. Kinda shows to me that I'm not as good in fast time controls but much greater at classical which my actual chess results also show.
I got 2100. I have to focus more, and I will skyrocket my ELO !
2500! (FIDE: 1471) But Igor what about our chess psychology during a on-board games? Please make a video on it too!!
I didn't calculate everything (maybe I should've paused the video), but I knew Kf8 looked like the only option for black and found Qf6 after that. The problem are these unfinished calculations, because in a real games I'm often surprised by one of "looks winning" options that I didn't calculate far enough to be sure.
2500 as a 1450 lol
And 2800 if you saw that after Qe5+ Kf8 Qh8+ Kxe7, white is actually not lost because he has a perpetual check.
Yes but, doing that, White draws a game that could win
If you saw ... Qe8, it's because you forgot to resign at Qf6 the move before and you remove 1000 ELO from your score.
I.. Got 2500. I didn't notice the zugzwang part, but I was calculating from Qe5 right away. It took me a bit to figure out what was wrong with Kh6, and same for finding Qf6. Qe8 was kinda brushed off as just the only move that didn't lose immediately so I stopped calculating after that.
Kinda funny since I'm a 1000 elo points lower IRL, so maybe this was a tad bit too easy? Then again, online my Lichess rating is 2100, and cc rating is 1700, even if I don't play much online
After spotting qe8, I decided then to stop calculating immediately. Why would you calculate after seeing qe8 rxe8 even though it's obviously a winning position for white?
I am 1500(approx) and was able to do 2100 meaning the first intuitive move i saw and calculated was Qf6 and calculated it was winning . however i dont think that means anything because i suck at endings and arguably also opening with black so i either get a disadvantage early game or win the game if it doesnt drag till 60 moves which kinda happens more frequently as you climb rating ladder . Waiting for more such videos!!
Idk if I'm missing smth but after Qe5+ Kf8 I thought there was a draw after Qh8 + bcz K×R and now Qe5 + again and it's a repetition right? Like I know a bad move but leads to a draw not a loss ..
Yes, was about to comment the same
As a 1900 blitz player I saw something different, I didn't consider there was a forced win I saw that you could actually sacrifice the rook and force a draw because the Queen, and rook are blocking the escape squares for the black king, so I wanted to play QH8+ KXE7 QE5+ KF8 QH8 repetition, I considered QF6, but I figured the forced draw was enough at least I wouldn't be losing in that scenario, in Blitz in a time scramble that draw will most certainly do.
Yeah i also saw the same moves
Thank you very much, I clearly saw up to Qxh7 but I totaly missed the back rank mate threat !!!
Igor, this was a really fun puzzle. Thank you.
1.Qe5+
1...Kh6 2.Qf4+ Kg7 (2.Kh5 Re5+ 3.Qg5 Qxg5#) 3.Qxf7+ and at least Rxd7 +-
1...Kg8 2. Re8+ Qxe8 3.Qxe8+ Kg7 4.Qxd7 +-
1...Kf8 2.Rxd7 Qxd7 3.Qh8+ and 4.Qxh7 +/- (there's probably something better tho)
Oh, an invincible rook - very nice tactic!
1250 on Lichess and I got to around 1400. I saw the 3 candidate moves but I misread some of the lines, missing moves like queen f4 if king h6 and that king f8 queen h8 does not work because the rook is now hanging.
Edit: Forgot about Kf8 lol
*Free queen:* Qe5, Kh6, Qf4, Kh5, Re5, Qg5, RxQ
*Queen + Pawn:* Qe5, Kh6, Qf4, Kg7, Qf7, Kh6, Qf4, Kh6, Re5, Qg5, RxQ
*M4:* Qe5, Kh6, Qf4, Kg7, Qxf7, Kh8, Qg7/Qh7
*M6 (Forced):* Qe5, Kh6, Qf4, Kg7, Qxf7, Kh6, Qf4, Kh6, Qg4, Kh6, Qh4
*M5:* Qe5, Kh6, Qf4, g5, Qf6, Kh5, g4, Kh4, Qh6
(I Am ≈750 rated rapid)
2100 I stopped the calculations after Qf6. Like Igor said, I can find nice tactics, attacking ideas, and brilliant moves, but when it comes to calculating my opponent best moves, I suck😂
there is a problem with the first move as a position when you put the E7 turn, it takes it instantly with the queen or the turn, you don't get to move both the turn and the queen in that position
It's White to move at the start of the puzzle.
@@rockmyworldmusic yes but...
Sorry but after Qe8 isn't black in zugzwang, can't we play Kh2/kh1 for example and win the game? Because at same point they have to lose a rook at least to not get checkmated, but Q+R vs Q is clearly better than Q vs R and we have a powerful attac that would probably finish in a mate pretty soon
I didn't have time to finish the video.
But queen check seems reasonable. If king goes to h6 you check again on F4
King back to f7 you take the pawn with check and m1.
If king goes to h5 you should probably check with the rook.
IDK. Seems to me everything is winning after that
I have about 1000 elo and I was sort of inbetween the 1000/1200 that you mentioned. I started calculating QE5 check and King going to H6 so started to doubt that line and thought maybe the rook move RE8 was better though I never considered Kf8 from black. I am actually canny happy with my result as it confirms I am at my own rating though seeing ideas and concepts that might enable me to get better, my peak rating was 1111 (rapid) so seems like i have some good ideas much room to improve and has given me thoughts on how to get better
UR SO AWESOME BRO. especially for speaking english for us. I hope to meet you and Magnus one day
WOW this was very fun! I would love more videos like this. Curious how according to this video I’m 1600 but I’m still at 810 in Rapid. I need to slow down and think more!
Glad you enjoyed it!
When will we be able to play in landscape mode ? Plz
I solved it on 2500 rating and my rating is 1700 in rapid, it took me 5 minutes to solve.Great puzzle!
I got 2,500 elo but I know that when I know its a puzzle I calculate more deeply thats why im only 1000 elo in real game
Me too😢