JOHN BONHAM'S CYMBALS / THE HI-HATS / ANALYSIS AND DEMO
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2021
- Here is the third and last video focusing on Bonzo's cymbals and my Paiste cymbals, in this case, the hi-hats. I discuss Bonzo's hi-hats throughout his career and demo my vintage 602's, Giant Beats, and 2002's. Hope you all find it informative.
Check out these other vids which focus on the crashes and rides....
• JOHN BONHAM'S CYMBALS ...
• JOHN BONHAM'S CYMBALS ...
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Yourself and Terry should publish a book on Bonham.
Fact:Vanilla Fudge pulled out halfway through the tour with Zeppelin because they were blowing Vanilla Fudge off the stage every night.Carmine never mentions that when he retells the tour story....🤘
It seems like something that Carmine would hide, but is it true, where did you read it ??
@@Hercules_Mavromatis in a radio documentary here in montreal canada.
I would imagine so. I've never heard a Vanilla Fudge song besides a cover and it was so out there and somewhat ridiculas.
As someone else said in the comments. You and Terry should write a book
Bonhamology is really like a college course on John Bonham. It's incredible that this exists. Thank you George! I have been creating my own set of Paiste cymbals. So far I have a new issue 602 22" medium ride, 20" 602 Paper Thin crash, 19" Giant Beat crash and 15" 2002 Sound Edge hats. Love them.
...the 2002's sounds the best. I have this 15" SE too (Red Label), for me "the best sounding hi hat" ever !!!
This is a GREAT video!!!!!!! George is the PAISTE PUPPETMASTER!
Paiste wins
I really like the Giant Beats but the 602s are really nice as well. In general, I think that all of Paiste's lines had a warmer sound up until the 1980s. Then, they got more "silvery". I do think that they are responding to the longing for Bonham-era cymbals with the 602 Modern Essentials and the 2092 Big Beat lines.
I preferred the Giant Beats. They just sound smoother and more in balance with the whole kit.
Just bought a pair of 15" paiste sound edge black label 2002’s from a guy online. Interesting coincidence that this video just came out!
Oh great!! Hope you love 'em
Great playing George. I want all of those hats! Probably the 602's sound best to me.
I love this deep dive!! Wicked video :)
Great stuff. Ty.💜🍷Cheers.
Thanks so much for sharing!
The kit and cymbals sound great!
Great playing too!!!
George…thanks for making this particular demo. One of the most helpful vids in your library. Currently playing newer 2002s. Love them but wanted a slightly warmer sound. Your GB hats are damn near the sound I’m looking for. The hunt will commence soon.
Cheers 🍻
Great comparison 👍🥁
nice solo at the end dude . beautiful stuff
Thank you, Oliver
Gosh! Your video makes me want to run out and pick up 602 hats!
Having an inner crisis! I've always listened to the propaganda of B20 being superior, but I gotta say, I love those Giant Beats!!! I suspect that God willing, I live another 10 years (I'm 39) I'll have quite a bit of Paistes added to my collection! 😍
If you had to put together an off the shelf set, what would you choose?
I've been thinking of these:
15" 2002 SE Hats
18" Giant Beat Crash/ride
20" giant Beat crash/ride
24" Giant Beat or 24" 2002 Rev Al's Big Ride
I like that combo. It's hard for me to say because I often want to hear a different sound and love all three series . I guess I would prob go with a mix of GB ( ride) and 2002 crashes and hats....kind of like Bonzo 73-75.
Great George!
Thanks Tony!
Thanks for this
They all sound beautiful in their own way, but I like the 2002 black label 1971 -1980 the best. Thanks for sharing this. It helps with research.
If you had to choose one pair to complete a tribute kit, which would you choose?
Prob the 2002's because they cut best and are more durable. I really can't see how Bonzo could have played Giant Beat high hats, because they dent very easily and I would think he would go through them quite often. Maybe that's why he used the 602 sound edges while using all Giant Beats as crashes and Ride.
@@BONHAMOLOGY He was likely going through a lot of parishables~
@bonhamology I believe Ludwig was selling Paiste cymbals at the time. Maybe he got Paistes through Ludwig at the time of the endorsement when he took delivery of the ThermaGloss kit, along with the Ludwig sticks. Complete package.
Love those giant beat 15 inchers
🙌🏼😁👍🏻
Man that first number sounded GREAT!
The crunge and RnR on 2002 SEs.....audgasm
your crunge is crazy good!
Do you use the tilt adjustment on the bottom cymbal or just let it rest naturally?
I use it when the cymbals don't 'chick' well flat, like with the Giant Beats, I tend to angle it a little. It's not an issue with the 2002's or heavier cymbals.
I just noticed you have a Shure 548 on snare. NICE. I got a couple of them last year and they often come with me to sessions when I trust the drummer not to hit them. They actually make a halfway decent kick drum mic too, much to my surprise.
Thanks for doing these. I love this kinda history
Hey Dave...yes!! You spotted it. This is the first video I've used it for. I know Bonzo 's drums were mic'd with these for a while and I got curious....turns out the reviews are great, but they've gone through the roof price wise! people are asking stupid money for these!
@@BONHAMOLOGY I heard about the price increase.....another producer/engineer buddy of mine is an avid vintage dynamic mic collector....he actually found me the 2 that I have for dirt cheap. Just did a session with him last week and he was telling me about some of the insane prices they're asking these days.
It's basically just an SM57 with a slightly different top end (I did a lot of comparisons to different 57s and also to the Shure 545).....548 is a dash darker.
In my opinion, not worth more than around $150 for pure mic sake. Of course, vintage/rarity have driven up prices.
It's crazy to think that Zep did a few tours using NOTHING but these mics for EVERYTHING....drums, vocals, guitars, probably bass as well and organ. Nothing else. It's testament to the whole, "it's not the gear that makes the sound, it's the player" theory. Zep just sounded that good.
Fantasy session: when the pandemic is over, I'll grab the ones my buddy has, bring my pair, head to you and we'll mic up your kit with 5 548s and do a vintage Bonzo miking session! (it'll never happen, too far of a drive from Boston, but fun to think about)
I saw that right away too. My church has one on the altar! Of course it will stay there. I love the AT i5 for snare drum really well. Have a 57, but the i5 just sounds better with less work.
@@davewestner 😁👍🏻 Yeah, I was always struck by that as well. Pretty basic uniform micing all around. Wild!
@@jimflys2 What's the address of your church??? 😏
I wish I could get some direction on tuning my bass drum. If I pitch it up it just wants to vibrate away and doesn't have any low end. I end up having to tune it slack with a blanket and can't get that 70's tone😔
Thanks George! 2oo2s are my favorite cymbals. I just completed my set:
15" SE HH red label
19" Crash red label
20" Medium year 1977
22" ride year 1978
fantastic set! do you guess why Bonzo never used a China, while Ian Paice started to use China as it was a crash?
Maybe cuz he had a big Paiste gong 38"😉
@ Could be so 😅😅
I think Chinas weren't used much in the music he liked, and they probably didnt fit the Zep style too good.
Hi, I don't see an option to select the black glass glitter wrap from Ludwig. How can I get that they are awesome !!!!!!!!!!
That was a custom order wrap from Precision Drum. I had them ship it to Ludwig and it was wrapped at the factory.
George I wish I could get my set to sound like yours. I have the same heads as yours though I can't play nowhere as good as you it mostly must be my shells. I need a legacy maple. The three ply must really be the secret.
The 3 ply do have that distinctive sound!
@@BONHAMOLOGY I'm sure going to have to have a set of them. And the vistalite
OK George I took the time to listen to all 3 sets of hats I have to agree with you the giant beats sound more like rock and roll They are my favorite out of all 3 set hats then 2002 ) then 602 I don't own a vintage giant Beat hats But I do have vintage 2002 black label vintage 15" and 15" 602 Hats But I recently picked up a reissue prototype 15" giant beat sound edge which I love them better than my vintage 15" hats But I really love the sound of your 1960s giant beat hats awesome Brother 👍👍
Thanks , Don. I was curious about those GB prototype SE's. I think they would sound better. The regular ones don't come together and " chick" well.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I like them I haven't taken them off my kit since I bought them 🤣 👍👍
Thank you for the comparison! Do you know what hi hat John played in Led Zeppelin IV? 602 SE? Giant Beat SE or normal? Thank you
I'm really not sure....I assume he was using 602 sound edge but without photos it's really touch to tell. Rock and Roll sounds like Giant Beat 15's to me, with that "ring". GB's didn't have sound edge. Bonzo used 602's live from 70-72, I think because GBs are so thin, they bend easily.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I hear your track and I think that Rock and Roll was made with GB normal the sound is identical ;-)
@@nicolagranzotto5429 I agree, they really do sound like giant beat
@@BONHAMOLOGY I'm thinking to buy the GB Set 18multi-20multi-24-15normal. Do you think it is a good Set for a John Bonham vintage sound or is better the 2002 Set with sound edge?
@@nicolagranzotto5429 I think in some ways the 2002's with the SE hats are a better choice in that regard. The GBs don't sound really much like the vintage ones, although they are nice cymbals.
George, do you think the modern 2002 SE 15s are close to the originals? I have a pair and they sound almost identical to me.
Honestly I haven't really played the modern ones but I've heard them in stores and I thought they sounded really close
I put my 15" 911g white label giant beat over my 15" SE 1001g 602....magic man...i like the Giant Beat the most...the 2002 is a harsh sound to me.
I have done the same combination mate they sound so musical best hats I have played I sold my 2002 hats to sharp for my tastes
I'm going to try that! Funny, I never did.
@@BONHAMOLOGY so glad I could give you an idea, you have been giving me ideas for 3 years and i just started at 44, 5 years ago..lol
@@nigelprettyc3 sold all my 2002 to Maxwell..I know they are Bonham but if you are not playing arenas they re not as musical to my ears in smaller spaces..maybe its just me..
Hey George, what kind of hi hat stand do you use?
That one is a Sonor, early 70's...but up til recently I used a Rogers Supreme, same type as Bonzo used in 75. I just wanted to give it a break. Bonzo also used a Sonor similar to this one , in 69-70.
@@BONHAMOLOGY Nice. Thanks for the information!
Hey George, do you know the weight of the 2002 hats?
George, not sure if you have heard this already but there is a website that has a quote from Bonham saying he didnt start using Paiste cymbals until 1970.
Whats your thoughts on this ?? If this is true any idea what what the The Late Totally Great might have been using?
The website is aa follows;
From The Paiste Artists book
quote says
“ I began using Paiste cymbals in 1970, after smashing my way through most other makes. I like the sound of them when I crash into and out of a solo. Quality-wise they dont crack or split.”
Did he actually say this ? Whats your thoughts ?
@@sweetpatootie742 I have never read that quote before. Perhaps he said it but that doesn't make much sense to me because it appears to me he had been using Paiste 602's throughout 1969. It is possible that his endorsement didn't begin till 1970 though, because that Paiste cymbal list starts with a date of Feb 1970. Sometimes I think he had a Zildjian or two in the early days, maybe even a Zyn (English brand). But by spring 1969, his cymbals look like 602's to me.
How rare are vintage Giant Beat hi-hats?
The 2002s just have that cut. The perfect rock hi hats. The 602s definitely sounded the best on Rock And Roll
Did bomham play more then one gong in his time playing till 80?
YES, I'm not sure of the transitions, but he had a smaller one early on then the larger later. Not sure if it was the same gong throughout 72-80. I'd have to really check photos. If you notice on that Paiste list it says the gong was "verkauft" , which means sold.
Did Bonham use clear or coated resonant heads?
Coated ambassadors
@@Hercules_Mavromatis Yes, but he also had stock Ludwig white Weathermaster heads at times, and clear resos with the Vistalite kit.
@@BONHAMOLOGY George I just got all emperor vintage top and ambassador vintage on the bottoms today from Sweetwater. Really made a big difference in my set. The centennial zep set shells are not that good and really take a long time to get the tuning set but sound wat better.
Coated ambassadors both sides?
@@dylanbaldwin7934 Coated Emperor's on Top.
Ask Carmine he's still alive or his brother Vinny he has a podcast of sorts on YT I would like to know myself .
What do you think of Paiste PST 7 Series Cymbals ? Hey to Terry 🤘✌ Oh please take those seven or eight piece whatever it is drums away from Terry way too many drums for him, LOL he's all over the place God love em.
Haha, I think he sold them! I am not really familiar with that line from Paiste
Are 602's a little thinner than the 2002's?
I think so, but it really depends on the series.
not really an apples to apples comparison. when talking vintage Paiste: 2002s came in Crash, Medium, Ride. 602s came in (depending on the particular size) Paperthin, Thin Crash, Thin, Medium, Medium Ride and Heavy.
if he was using 14" Paiste hats prior to the 602 sound edge they would've been 602s. 14" Giant Beat Hats came out towards the end of the run of the original GBs. Only 15" GB would have been available in 1969. The 14" GBs didn't come until 1972 imo.
That's good to know, I wasn't sure if the four teens were around simultaneously with the 15s as white label. I've never seen them. I suspect that he was likely using 602s but he may have also been using another brand like Zyn. Or even A Zildjians. But by March of 69 it's certainly looks like he has all 602s on the Danish TV special and in other photos.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I have a Paiste price sheet from July 1970. Only the 15"s were available at that time. I'm almost positive the 14"s didn't come out until they went to the Black Labels in 1972.
The 2002's sound the best to my ear.......
Hey Jon! Yeah, they're tough to beat, they cut nicely too.
Bonham was the best drummer who ever walked this 🌎 earth!!!!
I believe the red label 2002 newer ones don't sound as good as the black label.
I have 15 inch black labels hi hats
Just ask Jason Bonham ???????
Hi sir I've spent 2 hrs with you since sept. I spent 2 hrs. With Brian techy 5 must know since spring 2020. Since 1980RIP I've hung with bozo for 96 hours...how will I no u red this? U tube Brian t 5 must know......
If you had to put together an off the shelf set, what would you choose?
I've been thinking of these:
15" 2002 SE Hats
18" Giant Beat Crash/ride
20" giant Beat crash/ride
24" Giant Beat or 24" 2002 Rev Al's Big Ride