Pinned, thank you for commenting the update. It's a bit of a shame, but 2 weeks thankfully isn't much and nobody is more disappointed about it than Yoshi-P
@@valgardgaming If anything this only concretes the statements you made. that means those who were interested will now have more time, if only 2 weeks, to have more time to catch up as best as they can.
Final fantasy has been amazingly welcoming. I am a 14 year WoW refugee and Final Fantasy 14 has changed my whole outlook on MMO’s in general. I forgot how fun they truly are and how amazing a community can be
@@jimmythecrow No, come on man. We are supposed to be welcoming and better than the toxic folks. People are coming to XIV to experience an actual community, they want a better experience. Lets not greet them with the same toxicity they are trying to run from. Gatekeeping is absolutely disgusting
One key point you made near the end...you'll have had 7 months to get invested in your character. Character, not characters. Since you can play all jobs on a single character you become even more invested in them.
The one thing that amazes me about your exact point is that they do manage to pull of getting invested despite being so fluid in your job choice. I think part of the fun of a single class in an MMO and even tabletop games like D&D is having that defintive strengths and weaknesses which are in a way unavoidable then coming against challenges with that skill set, so your investment is directly tied to the class. 'I'm a warrior' or 'I'm a mage' kinda deal. The best way I can think of that FF14 does this is you think of yourself as 'The Warrior of Light' and not as your job so all that investment still goes solidly into your character. Thank you for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it
@@valgardgaming every veteran knows that its canon that "Meteor", the WoL stand in, is capable of every job. that is also just shown in the Shadowbringers trailer.
@@miri5373 For someone who is relatively new (only a couple of months now, but I have finished the MSQ), I didn't actually know it was canon or that our standins name was Meteor. Easily one of the coolest things about finally jumping into FFXIV is discovering all of these bits and pieces of the world and it's story, as good god there is a lot out there. Thank you for the interesting info, and watching
@@valgardgaming Meteor is the default Hyur character... just that Meteor has stubble, which everyone is hyped we r getting in EW. and each of the trailers has him with a different job, mainly what fits the theme of where we are going/what we are gonna do. probably like the Au Ra thing... players went "ok hornrubs are their way of kissing" and at som point the Devs just rolled with it XD
@@valgardgaming It's not Meteor, it's actually Meteor Survivor some shorten that to Meteor as if it's a first name. But, the far more common name for him is Derplander, playing off his Hyur Midlander race.
The FF14 community is incredible. Being a WOW refugee myself not even 5 minutes into the game of creating my character I had people running up to me giving me money, a set of low-level gear which I assume is crafted and even a little minion pet. It was so overwhelming and it brought such a resurgence of positive energy within my body that I haven't felt in literally 15 years when WOW used to be just like this in the very beginning. I WAS HAVING FUN!!! I'm absolutely astounded that there is still MMOs that have a community like this that exist. I feel absolutely embarrassed and ashamed that I did not give this game a chance much sooner by listening to other people. I learned my lesson and I will always experience things for myself instead of listening to others. Anyways I look forward to my future Journey in this new world.😊😊
a lot of people I know that have nothing to do recently complained that there are so many low lvl players on the trial... they cant throw minions or glam gear that they get frequently at the free trial players XD
When you see a sprout just spread that kindness to them. That's the only reason this community is so positive, because we just keep spreading it to the next guys.
Back when I started in 2017, on my second night playing I had a Scholar come up to me and they gave me 500k gil and a Flying Chair all because I was playing Arcanist and they just said they like to see new people playing it. Sadly, I couldn't use the mount for quite some time. But, this shows the generosity people in this game can show has been around for a long time. I try to help out from time to time thanks to that.
I don't notice much of a difference in the communities if I'm being honest. People don't talk in random queue dungeons in WoW and don't in FF14, and I've been steady playing FF14 for months (Leviathan). There is less berating of bad players because most people just /leave as any sort of chat that could be interpreted as bashing is bannable. When I first started I would ask for a rundown of the boss mechanics in FF14 and people were helpful, but WoW has a dungeon journal that tells you the boss mechanics plus everyone runs DBM so it's not really necessary. I've never once been invited to a group to world quest (or Fate spamming), and that at least happened every once in a while in WoW but not enough to be considered a "social" game. The only thing that's instantly noticeable is the lack of carry spamming and political trolling in general/trade chat in FF14, which is nice. PvP griefing also doesn't exist in FF14 because world PvP doesn't exist. I play FF14 because it's honestly just a better game minus PvP which I never really cared for in WoW.
The best way most FFXIV players describe how they feel when they log in isn't "What do I need to do today?", but instead it's "What *_should_* I do today?", you never feel like you need to do one particular thing, it's just what you want to do on that particular day.
That's honestly a really tidy way of putting the feeling of logging in. As ultimately there is just so much content to pick from in FFXIV that you really are just free to pick and choose at your leisure without worrying about how much it'll impact your player power. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
@@jirojairo90 I think the old John Lennon quote applies here 'Time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted time', as I think one of the best things about FFXIV is you really aren't pressured to get the MSQ out of the way, it's all really just at your own pace
Have played FFXIV for 8 years now. I am absolutely loving the influx of new players. It’s great going into the starting cities and seeing them packed with sprouts.
I think I can say confidently that it's an incredible experience for sprouts to come into a new world and actually see tons of people in the cities, makes the world feel so alive and welcoming! Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Something that benefits the new player experience a lot: All content is available essentially forever and is always being run. While a number of other large online games tend to vault content or make similar moves, other than the scrapping of 1.x itself, and obviously seasonal and limited events coming in and out, all the content is around forever, and you'll always be able to run it due to the roulette system. And since the story is the centerpiece, you lose nothing by being a late arrival. This makes it immensely newbie-friendly.
I think you expand on an absolutely excellent point which I wish I brought up more that it really is super newbie friendly, both if you're an mmo veteran coming into the world as the ARR is a bit slower to give you time to get centred with all the characters and world more generally. Or if you're simply new to the MMO genre more broadly by not over-whelming you with abilities right off the bat ontop of the tutorial arena thingo. Let alone how its just naturally good at teaching you mechanics like the markers for trials. As for content more generally, it really is good that everything is available and that it incentivises you to go try it out as well. Both with the roulettes and other systems like the Wonder Journals you pick up in Idyllshire. Really gives you the sense that you can play at your own pace, so ultimately you never do get the feeling of FOMO (except for those seasonal events, but people can understand those so it's not exactly the worst thing ever) Thank you for watching, and for the comment
One thing I will say is that since you can play every class on one toon, the stress of choosing a starting class and the pressure of "you chose the bad class" is completely removed. Also if you get bored of your current class or don't like the playstyle, you are not punished by having to start over again.
It's such a unique way of doing the class system and admittedly, thank god they have done it this way as, as much as I love the MSQ having to do it 2-3 times just for alts would be insane. Thank you for watching
As a ESO player, and FF player. I love the class system from FF. One of my main problems with ESO is fake tanks and healers. ppl change their role to tank or healer as DPS and no one gets to run the dungeon. (Vet). Cant do that in FF. you role up a healer, you a healer no way to lie. you could still be bad at your job lol, but dont have dual wielding "healers" lol
Conversely, if you pre-form with friends, you can go in as crazy combinations together because pre-forms ignore the restrictions. I've been party of insanely silly "all tank" 8 man raids. Was it efficient? Heck no. Was it fun? Heck yes! Blue mage in particular *has* to do pre formed parties because they are forbidden from using Duty Finder, so the Party Finder is often filled with all blue spell farming parties.
I’m not a WoW refugee but I did join during the July surge thanks to the hype and the free trial. It’s now November and I’ve bought the full game, I’m level 73 and currently on my final lap of Stormblood aiming to start Shadowbringers next week. It has been a hell of a ride and I’m so happy I finally gave this amazing game a chance.
Glad you decided to join the hype train as it's been a beautiful one. You've got a hell of a lot in store for you, and then you'll be able to go straight into Endwalker without the wait that so many others that started then have to do haha
FFXIV also has one of the best Mahjong games you'll find anywhere, on top of all those other minigames he mentioned. There's even achievements for being really good at it the "Mahjong Master" title is one of the biggest flexes around because of how intensive it actually is and depends solely on personal effort and skill. Actually, a lot of the biggest flexes don't even come from combat achievements, things like the Triple Triad mount requiring all the cards or pretty much any of the achievements from the Gold Saucer ("High Roller" especially), the Ocean Fishing achievement minions + mount. Hell, even the Gatherer/Crafter relic gear is more difficult and time consuming than the combat relics. And one of the rarest mounts in the game comes from doing a bunch of crafting and gathering for the Firmament in Ishgard.
Honestly going to have to use FFXIV to start learning Mahjong as it's actually been a point raised a couple of times that it really is a top notch version of the game. And I think you're exactly on the money that there are so many non-combat flexes which leads to the idea of player choice. You can play any way you like and still be able to get a symbol of the time you put into it. The super glowy weapons from combat or that god-forsaken pterodactyl from the restoration. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
I've been playing xiv since 1.0 and after all the hard work the team has put into the game it's fantastic that the game now is becoming popular I love meeting people who are doing the msq for the first time and how excited they are kinda brings back memories of my first time all those years ago. All are welcomed in Eorzea ❤️
Beautifully said and you're one of the reasons why the FFXIV community has such an overall good reputation. Thank you for watching and for the comment!
@@JackgarPrime It's come an absurdly long way from everything i've seen, and it's really good to see it getting the credit and recognition it deserves. Although, looking at the queues maybe a little bit too much haha
I played when ARR launched and didn't really had fun. I didn't touch FF 14 until early 2019 but now I have a better rig to play it with. I was just coming out of the tail end of Legion. I couldn't believe how good the game has gotten. When I joined an FC, I actually met them in-game as opposed to meeting them only for dungeon runs or raids in Legion. We had costume contest, hide and seek, we did raids and PotD and HoH and Eureka. I actually had a lot of fun! Then I burned out. I played the game 12 hours a day for 9 months. 2 months after Shadowbringers, I quit. Then I came back in August 2021 (you'd think I'd come back during the height of Covid, but I worked in a hospital so I was still working while non-essential workers couldn't) and I'm taking it slower now. I only play like 3-4 hours and just enjoying things.
Thanks for coming, watching the video and sharing your story. I found myself, that things really get rolling when you hit Heavensward, so can 100% see why at launch the ARR itself wouldn't have been tons of fun. I absolutely love that FF facilitates all the crazy stuff you can do as an organised group and that the community has really taken to it, embraced the silly, while also being really cool. I've seen my share of FC houses and in-game, player driven events which is incredibly different to the almost regimented style of community you find in WoW (which has its own charm). Glad you've found your happy medium, 12 hours for 9 months is an impressive binge but nobody could keep that up forever
Yoshi-P actively encourages his players to take their time and to go play other games if they want. He just wants people to have fun. Everything else is secondary.
@@valgardgaming Oh yeah, I woke up at around 7 AM, play until 12PM for lunch, and then play up until 9PM. I leveled new jobs, the profession class, did hunt trains and dungeons, but yes it was a little bit much.
You're 100% correct and as all games are iterative processes you can never truly win unless you were literally the only game left in existence. The title was a bit of hyperbole to get people to watch as that's unfortunately what you have to do to get views as a smaller channel. Thank you for coming by and reminding me of that interview
eh thats using a cop out quote to prove a point we all know is BS. He doesnt want to beat MMO's out of the market, but he clearly wants to be top dog. In the same interview he said that no company could keep up with him and would like to see them try, I notice you didnt quote that lol. Yoshidas point on beating was simple, they dont want to kill their competition because competition is good and keeps the games moving forward. But he also said he wants his to be the best. So good job hiding behind a PC statement lol.
@@joshuarogue9345 the nuance is different, and Yoshida wanted to be particular about that. Winning means that the battle is over and FFXIV reigns king. Not only is that an unrealistic view of the situation, it's that mentality that caused 1.0's massive failure. The alternative put forward was acknowledging "we are ahead right now" instead of continuing to claim that WoW is still doing better. Which would strike of humble for PR, which Yoshida clearly didn't want to do. He acknowledged that they became the fastest growing MMO in the past half-year, and made it clear that he would prefer that their success didn't snuff out any less-fortunate competitors. Whether or not he intentionally made those statements for a PR boost, it just so happens to represent a mentality that is best for the health of the MMO industry: check your pride, acknowledge successes from both effort and luck, and use them to challenge others to strive for the same success.
This is one of the best FFXIV vs WoW videos made; as a 12 year WoW refugee who quit last year after a fruitless beta cycle I quit on Shadowlands prepatch.... when no one could REALLY understand /ready to accept yet. Great job on this video; you deserve more views and subscribers
I think you were really ahead of the curve, as by the timing of the mass exodus it seems like it took 6 months of nothing for others to see that Shadowlands was going to be fruitless in hindsight. Thank you for watching and for such high praise, I really hope to keep making content thats worth it. Hope to see you on the next video!
@@valgardgaming I wouldn't say that Shadowlands at its release was that bad, the problem was a probably covid and internal issues related content delay. People disliked the covenant system and the kite meta in M+ was unpopular, the changes in pvp gearing as well as Castle Nathria as a raid were received positively though. I feel like two things which bit WoW hard could have been actually listening to some hardcore gamer complaints, like getting rid of progression systems like artifact power and removing titanforging, which made hardcore players who feel compulsed to grind like crazy happy, but left the more casual base starved of progression, especially since the lack of titanforging makes progression harder for them. Like I mentioned in another video here, I think now both games are in the position where they need to deliver. WoW needs to deliver with 10.0 while FF14 will need to show, that its able to keep its new players long term, once the spectacle of the MSQ has itself worn out and the new players are engaging more in every day content in between patches.
Good Video, will say though, that Twitch Deal, was made months before WoW had it's great crash with the Lawsuit and 9.1 Patch, while it'd be great to think that square just jumped at that, that was really just a happy accident.
Didn't actually know that, a happy accident which the PR machine and other new outlets kind of just ran with because it certainly makes a better story. Thanks for the input and enjoying the video
Final Fantasy, much like Animal Crossing New Horizons in 2020 achived a perfect storm completely out of their control. In Animal Crossing’s case, the Covid lockdowns began in earnest late March/early April of 2020. ACNH releaced March 30, 2020. That timing meant that at the beginning of lockdown, people that had a Nintendo Switch had a brand new, chill life simulator game they can put 100s of hours into just in time to be locked in their houses with nothing to do. This drove up sales for ACNH and made it the second best selling Switch Game period, beating out Smash Ultimate. Final Fantasy 14 experienced something similar. Content creators, and by extention players of World of Warcraft waking up to how bad Blizzard’s design choices really were in Shadowlands drove these people to look for alternatives. Not only was FF14 constantly whispered into these people’s ears with methods such as the Extended Free Trial meme, but FF14 had announced Endwalker in Febuary of 2021, meaning that not only did these refugees have hundreds of thousands of hours of “brand new” content to chew through, but they also have a brand new expantion they can experience with everyone else if they were quick enough with the MSQ. Consitering the Wow Exodus really started in earnest in June and July, before the sexual harrassment debacle went public in August, one can’t really say it was exclusively because of the lawsuit that this exodus began at all. To use an analogy, World of Warcraft already had the stab wound, the doctors just accidentally punctured an artery while trying to fix the original wound, making the bleeding so much worse, and Final Fantasy 14 was the game that benifited the most from World of Warcraft’s hemoraging. It really is a shame though. It never had to be this way, as Wow could of learned and both Ff14 and Wow could of improved off of eachother, as Yoshi P did cite Wow (in Cataclysm and Mists) as one of the main insparations as to how to craft ARR. Yoshi P even said in a recent interview that he was excited that New World came out and it was popular, so they can see what Amazon did and somehow work in what worked in New World into 14. This is how things should be. Healthy competition, because in the end everyone wins.
Your right on the money that something in the stars aligned for FFXIV's massive player increase. Although I think I'd add when it comes to Blizzard and WoW, it wasn't just that the game decisions were bad, it's that content was coming in waaaaay to late. It's easy to forget about bad systems when the next patch introduces new ones to figure out and fixed the last ones, but there wasn't anything in Shadowlands so everyone was bored and pissed at those poor decisions. Especially content creators who'd milked WoW for all it'd been worth at this point as it was really them that (intentionally or not) lead the charge over to FFXIV. Your also very correct on the point that this all started before the law suit, I think another anology is that the dam had started breaking but then torrential rains hit which really just made to burst wide open. Competition is incredible, and it's a shame to see WoW be in this state due to nothing short of pure arrogance. Ironically, if they watched the Yoshi-P A Realm Reborn presentation that was literally rule 1 for a game going bad. Thank you for watching and your well thought out comment
@@valgardgaming Its obvious that beside the controversies, Blizz was hit heavier than expected by covid and it only became really noticable post launch. Which makes sense, as at the time the pandemic started, most of the programming work for Shadowlands was long done and the game was at the stage of beta testing and finetuning, with the pandemic probably becoming a problem once they started work for 9.1, which was delayed just too much. Though I would say its much too early to declare FF14 the winner really. It has become a serious competition, but we will have to see whether or not the FF14 dev team will keep that success. They will certainly need to up their game, when it comes to keeping the WoW players. The more casual players will probably be kept happy easy enough, though I'm not sure if FF14s solo content is enough, but when it comes to the raiding and pvp crowd, FF14 will need to invest its increased popularity and therefore profits into expanding development, as at this point I don't think they will be able to keep WoW players busy long term. And I feel like when it comes to job design, they will need to get people who are more proficent and knowledgable with Tank and Healer roles, as these are a strong weak point in terms of class design compared to DPS roles. I also think WoW has still the opportunity to make a comeback, if Blizz gets its mess sorted in time and they manage to deliver with 10.0. They already once managed a very strong comeback with Legion that followed the equally cut WoD Expansion.
@@shizachan8421 I can't take away that covid certainly had a huge impact, although that was mainly on the content drought after the fact. The end-game systems that most people decryed were already in the game at launch, it just took awhile for people to hit that wall. You're certainly right that FFXIV hasn't won yet, nor will WoW just die. I think the main point beyond all the hyperbole on my end is that WoW is no longer the undisputed king. Although with some of the changes coming in Endwalker to pvp and the hints that they may be looking to do something similar to mythics/mythic+ during the Endwalker media tour. I wouldn't be surprised if there is enough coming to actually retain a lot of those WoW players who do want the end-game after all the story content as you're on the money that is a potential issue considering you can't take away WoW's end-game pvp and pve dominance.
@@valgardgaming Like I mentioned, dunno if here or somewhere else, I think one thing that added to the content drought was the fact that Blizz removed titanforging and artifact power and also made World Quests ultimately take longer and less rewarding. I think it takes alot of progression away from people who play more casually and I've seen Shadowlands being described as a raid or die expansion after release. Though I will defend the borrowed power systems. They are very hit or miss and take alot of fixing, but I think they are a necessity when we want gameplay changes and new flashy abilities each expansion. FF14 itself seems to have reached the point where adding new abilities in each expansion seems to become less and less sustainable. There is a horrible button overbload and lets be honest, outside of stuff like the Summoner rewamp, which was a hugh rewamp, were you much excited for most of the new skills Jobs got? I was not, classes have gotten to the point where they feel complete. Its a mark of honor that FF14 has reached this point, but I also feel like at some point the devs will need to consider alternative forms of progression as well. To be honest, I hope that both WoW makes a return and that FF14 will expand the game to keep WoW players busy. Its ultimately more healthy for the market, if both games remain in a position to compete against each other and having to take each other seriously. I have quite some issues with FF14, the biggest one is that after Stormblood and Shadowbringers, Endwalker feels quite samey from the first look and there isn't much outside of the story and Reaper that I feel excited about, also issues with tank and healer design. I feel like both games could benefit from just lookg at each other and take more from each other. WoW could learn alot from the writing and delivery of FF14s story, as well as some of the side content. Especially stuff like relic weapons and so on. FF14 on the other hand could take a lesson from WoWs endgame and some of its open world content, also the class design for tank and healer roles. Especially healers are just so much more interesting and fun in WoW. FF14 seems to copy a bit of discipline priest with sage and I think they could take a shit ton of inspiration of how WoW does healers.
See I started 14 years ago bc I was a fan of ffx and my friend enjoyed 14. I’ve done the meme thing myself strictly bc I’ve ENJOYED myself, and it’s solid fun that I think everyone should give a try.
That's the big thing, FFXIV is worth telling people about. Not many games like that are around and even fewer with the audience of FFXIV Thank you for watching
LETS GO ITS THEDANCING GUY IN LIMSA ON LEVIATHON SERVER PRIMAL DATA CENTER THAT MAN HAS 1980 DAYS WORTH OF PLAY TIME CAUSE HE NEVER LOGS OUT. HE JUST KEEPS DANCING
That's exactly the man, and what in gods name. I didn't know that was the full story of him, that's some deep FFXIV lore right there. Thank you for the fun fact on that absolute mad lad, and impressive spotting him
Been playing FF for three weeks , can’t believe what a great game. I’m a wow refuge , been playing since classic beta . After playing FF just can’t ever go back to wow .. I had no idea square enquix worked with streamers , like .. amazing , engaging the community, I’m blown away by every aspect of this game. Blizzard could use those 4 points , in ten years they have learned nothing , it’s sad , but thank you FF for saveing so many of us !!
Your right that it is really sad to see Blizzard kind of waste all the potential WoW had. I hope they get their stuff together, but like you're now experiencing overall FF does just feel so damn good. Thanks for watching and keep enjoying the MSQ, it's like a TV series with a few seasons out that really grips you but now you're in the queue with everyone else for the next season to release
The HEAD DEVELOPER (out lord and savior, Yoshi-P) will actually go out of his way to do interviews with content creators, especially during media tours before expansions where it's part of the scheduled time. If you watch some of the interactions you can see the type of man that is charge of 14... a man who actively gets excited when someone likes the game, the team is PASSIONATE about it.
I'm a RuneScape (main version, not OS) player who's not interested in either FFXIV or WoW; but I think that the shockwave of these changes shall be very impactful to the MMO scenery and can only bring good even to us Scapers. I think it's too early to tell whether WoW has completely lost its position, though, as there are still too many dedicated WoW fans; it's still possible that there'll be a duality with the MMO world polarised between those two dipoles, competing to be the sole winner; or maybe RuneScape will rise to the top again -- you never know ;)
I think the weird thing about trying to determine WoW's placement in the MMO genre these days is it's active playerbase is split between both retail and classic. So they're basically 2v1ing every other game, and it's still looking shaky which is kind of indicative of them not being at the top at least. And no doubt Runescape has benefited an absolute ton, really, with all the positive press coming around the hardcore stuff in OS I reckon people would have come both into that version and the main one (especially since it's free and FFXIV is a sub model which can get pretty expensive once you clear the free trail). Thank you for watching, and for the comment
What truly killed WoW was Wow. Its a case example of how entropy kills a game, like Everquest before it. They where more concerned with keeping the wheel spinning despite it falling apart, by adding more and more and more to it. Instead of repairing it or rebuilding a new wheel which Blizzard was more then capable of. Eventually the wheel rotted and stopped spinning and Blizzard just kept adding more to it anyways. If it isn't broke don't fix it, if broke fix it, if fixed and it still doesn't work... Time to get a new on.
Exactly on the point, nothing was ever going to kill WoW except for themselves. It's been a slow heat death and hopefully they realise that they're fixes aren't working so that they can rebuild both the dev team and the game. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Shadowlands was quite a massive success when it comes to expansion releases, so I don't feel like WoW entered the expansion in that much of a broken state. Besides controversies, the problem was that after the release of Shadowlands it really showed that covid hit Blizz harder than expected and content was delayed hard and ended up a little bit too much scratched together, also just the general setting of Kothia not being that exciting. If 9.2 hits soon enough, it could be a sign of them being closer at track again and afterwards, we will need to see if they manage to get a comeback with the next expansion. They did it once before, after WoD.
@@shizachan8421 I just realised I may have covered a few points in the prior comment you made, which by the way, thank you for watching and making some very reasonable comments. I think you're onto something when it comes to Kothia not being too interesting, and I'd probably extend that out to the Shadowlands as a whole. I can't imagine 9.2 is that far away, although there's the big doubt on if there'll be a 9.3 or if they'll go into the next expansion. You're right they managed to pull a miracle after WoD, but good god they'll need to pull something even more special than legion to get out of the funk Shadowlands has put them in
@@shizachan8421 Exactly how are we gauging the ""Success"" of the expansion here? By how many new people it brough into the game??? Shadow Lands didn't do that! By keeping people who are playing the game involved? Shadow lands didn't do that either! By adding more and more trivial chores to distract the devoted people from the fact that the game is a Rotten Corpse that should been buried years ago! Not even sure if it did that right! By teasing the idea that Maybe Just MAYBE The Litch King could put Sylvanas in her place. Oh No Shadow Lands didn't do that either! Like I said before, WoW is a wheel that's so rotten and deteriorated by time and entropy. Eaten away by its own toxic fan base like termites, it doesn't even spin any more. It's hardly even a freaking wheel at this point. All Blizzard does is slap new shit on it to keep it looking like a wheel. FFkk all if it actually works. Just so long as appears too. Thay don't care if the game is fun. Thay care if it functions enough to keep you playing and their pockets full of your money. Keep on with the wishful thinking. Meanwhile you're praying over a pile of bones that was once the golden cow. Rotten and decayed. Hoping to God it gets over the cancer, when its long sense died from it. Thats how silly people like you and Bellular look. Thats how detached from reality you are. The golden Cow is NOT Coming back. Its Dead. My she rest in peace.
@@ozmul5810 "By teasing the idea that Maybe Just MAYBE The Litch King could put Sylvanas in her place." Okay, that sentence gave off some really creepy incel school shooter vibes, so I probably block you after that reply. And I mean, FF14 is actually incredibly lazy if you think about it. It's fun, but the devs are undeniably unmotivated to expand the game and its content and most of them don't seem to know how the game works, so it basically just lives off Schadenfreude vom WoW haters who, if I look at forums like MMO-champions, seem to correlate with Incels as you prove it and cult-like reverence to Yoshi-P. Yeah, I get it, the guy is charismatic, but he reached the point where he really lead FF14 into stagnation. If you aren't exactly somebody who tries to use FF14 as a second life, the whole gardening feature in Endwalker seems kinda boring and looking at it as somebody who started to play at the end of Heavensward, its basically the same old same old each expansion without anything new to look forward to outside of new classes. And honestly, as much as Island expeditions and Torghast ended up being failures and the borrowed power systems never again reached the artifacts, I take a failed attempt at something new over the same old same old, once I'm done with the story. The story will probably be great again, but outside of that there isn't really anything new to look forwards towards in Endwalker. And know that Shadowlands started strong because we have the numbers and it was a record breaking release. It had the most day 1 purchases of any PC game so far and during Castle Nathria, Raid Participation was higher than during BfA. I dropped after a hugh content delay, which probably came due to Blizzard not being as covid ready as we thought them to be.
Honestly lucked out picking Leviathan because god damn that Lominsa atmosphere with those afkers are just top notch. Thank you for watching, and for the comment, very well spotted
I am an FFXIV veteran of 6 years and I never played WoW because I never had a PC that could run it. I play on PS4. Its been fascinating to hear about all the things WoW did wrong since from the outside I always thought of it as the King, a great MMO I couldnt play (admittedly with an ugly art style I couldn't stand). Turned out I was already on the best MMO and hearing people say "I could have been in HW but I was playing WoD" makes me grateful I was in HW and glad that they can leave the apparently abusove relationship with Blizzard and come have fun with us
You really did get the better end of that deal. I do think it's actually one of those points of time that in retrospect you can point too as the turning between when FFXIV started to go into the ascendency and WoW into decline on the game quality front. Which is now finally being rewarded with so many coming over to FFXIV to have fun, and it's been great to see most of the community embrace the new wave of sprouts with open arms! Thank you for watching, and for your comment
Same. I'm shocked every time I hear about a thing WoW doesn't do that FFXIV does. I have also played (and eventually gotten frustrated with) ESO and even that one shares a lot on common with FFXIV. I thought of WoW was that good out had to have those features and then some.
I've been playing ffxiv for six years now, (SIX YEARS!! YE GODS!) and I hope that everyone who has moved to Eorzea from WOW is welcomed and made to feel at home. I'm so happy to see so many sprouts everywhere I go! Hells, there's even tons of sprouts at the Hawthorne Hut crystal! Lol I hope all new players find a home, and friends to help them level and get the most out of the game.
Honestly, throughout the hundreds of comments i've found from veterans and sprouts alike on my videos I've only seen one who's not encounted that really welcoming community that FFXIV is famed for. I'm super excited that I, as well as so many, could come in at such a perfect time to witness the end of the current arc alongside the long-time players such as yourself. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Now that's a wild proposition, I'm sure people could easily already mod in the shotgun sprite as the gun and the floating round boi demons as targets for a doom-skin on the air-force game before even going further
@@MelaniAlarcon I didn't actually know that the golden saucer was originally from FFVII, I really need to get myself updated on the overall history of the series as they always seemed so independent of eachother on the surface. And especially get a ps5 to go through the FFVII remake, that does look incredible
@@valgardgaming the moment you know all the relations your mind will blow XD. Also every FF is actually independent, you are totally right, but FFXIV did connect TONS of the rest of FF games lore (wich FFgames actual dont do). There are cameos, relations to the story of FF3 (the crystal castle and those "clones") the Dragoons, the vieras, the magitek, some of the bosses (The first warrior of light with the horn helmet, is the main protagonist of FF1), some bosses like Cloud of Darkness (she is the main antagonist of FF3), the Clown Kefka (he is the main antagonist of FF6). The Dragoons are actually from ff4 with the all amazing Kain protagonist and Firion or Cecil, i cant remember (he was the actual warrior of darkness), and a veeeery long etc. also YOU MUST play FF7, you will LOVE IT
@@MelaniAlarcon Mother of god I didn't realise it went that deep, I thought the FFXV cross over was pretty neat but the extent of what they'd do. Especially when it comes to the difference between direct reference and inspiration as I definitely knew the magitek has been a pretty common thread across the games but things like the 6.3 Warrior of Light being a direct reference to FF1 is just cool. I think i'm going to end up moving early next year, so once i'm set-up the ps5 and FF7 will be high on the list to get. Plus now with the channel, I've got an excuse to play games for the content :P
Honestly yes, it's one of those things to easily forget about as most cross platform games are normally more arcadey kinds of things. Thank you for watching, and for that reminder
I played WoW for about two hours. I've been playing FF14 since Spring 2014. FF14 is winning because of its story and its community. That and the almost religious devotion of its producer.
Well the producer and the team behind him are worthy of that devotion considering how open the communication from them to the audience is, take the recent live letter on the delay of Endwalker. Im pretty sure most people in the FFXIV community were heartbroken seeing Yoshi-P cry more than the delay itself. Add on top they experiment, remove the bad in a timely manner and build on the good over time, it's no wonder that FFXIV as a game really just outpaced WoW. Thank you for watching and for the comment
Hey, whether you like WoW or FFXIV, there really isn’t a need to show hate to either game is there. You can be a hardcore fan to either of them but still be civil. Both games are enjoyable in their own right. I like FFXIV in short bursts and it fits my schedule. I drop out of the game when I get burnt out and then jump back in when I’m ready to. End of the day, play what tickles your fancy.
Ultimately your right that people should just enjoy what they do, and that pure hate is really not-constructive in any debate or arguement but a bit of passion does help make a bit of a point although its a pretty thin line between the two. Thank you for watching, and for your comment
Was the part at 8:20 in the Leviathan server? I'm pretty sure that I recognize the dancing catboy in coeurl bikini and the the naked guy with a chicken head. Also very interesting video! I started playing FF14 when a bunch of WoW creator started playing the game too but I didnt realise how big SE interacted with them. I only knew about the stream sniping ban wave.
You've got a good eye, as that's exactly the server! It's pretty wild how much interaction there's been and especially seen in the media tour where they even got on Asmongold which had that exceptionally human moment with Yoshi-P hoping his mother well. Thank you for watching and for the comment
and the fact that Yoshi-p were one of that mesing around player inthe past not to mention his experience laying Ultima Online and some old MMO(i think he might also play Runscape), not to mention in some reports he ask all in the team if they had play competitors game specially the king one, was the key of Yoshi-p success. im not praising yoshi-p for FFXIV i praise his way of doing it right
Though I'm not really a huge WOW player before, I did try it but never felt attached to it. Even other MMOs like Ragnarok Online, Rising Force, Perfect World, Atlantica and others. It didn't seem to hold water for me and I don't know why initially. I like Ragnarok Online and Rising Force out of all other because of nostalgia but never sub for it past 3-6 months or so. The closest that I enjoyed MMORPG was SWTOR and I think its purely because it has a solid story. But after that, it took me years to pick-up another MMO because I don't want to invest too much money or time for a game with very limited content and all you will be doing is grind your levels from 1 to 50 or 60 etc. I even didn't touch FFXI or FFXIV initially for fear that it would be the same as the others....and boy I was wrong. Fast-forward to now, I have been playing FFXIV for like 5-6 years now and still doing contents, past-contents, side-quests, getting relic weapons and playing through and getting ready for EW! In regards to problems and issues, the FFXIV is really fast when it comes to your concerns like when your account gets compromised and all, they replied ASAP. So a big plus for me! And seeing that the Dev team listens to its playerbase, then I'm truly convinced that my money and sub every month is well worth it!
That's an excellent story and I think highlights a lot of peoples journeys into Final Fantasy 14 as it is a very unique MMORPG experience. Which I think comes down primarily to your last point that the Dev team and their support staff like the GM's are really just on the ball, it's a pretty big anomoly to have a game director as loved as Yoshi-P. Thank you for watching, and again, for your story
i cant speak for all gamers only myself. i came to ff14 last december from runescape. my gf at the timemade me spend 80 on shadowbringers so i could play it with her and she forced me through all the cutscenes, didnt let me play my preferred class, teach me anything, or go at my own pace. turns out she wanted me to pick up scholar to i would heal for her (ffs at least chose a GOOD healer like whm) sop naturally i hated it. than last december i needed a break from runescape and tried it again with an open mind and i was so engrossed by the story, gameplay, classes, characters, landscapes, literally everything, its now all i play. i got no intention of going anywhere anytime soon. eorzea is my home now. ive only played about 11 months and i have 4k total hours of playtime and my main char has 139 days 22 hours 49 minutes.
That's an absolutely horrendous story, im glad your out of that relationship and from what I can tell in a much better place. I don't think anyone can enjoy anything when your forced to do it, so i'm glad that you were able to give FFXIV a fair go of your own free will and actually enjoy it. Thank you for watching, and for telling your story
The WoW dev team really seemed to systematically push away every content creator they had covering their game, there aren't any really big channels left looking at Blizz and WoW. Although that may be intentional to stop alot of the bad press as not many people have a lot of good things to say about Blizz, but in the long term all those communities have followed those guys elsewhere and likely won't return. With naturally FFXIV being one of the biggest benficaries in terms of players and content. Thank you for watching and for your mini-binge of my vids
For the past 2-3 years whenever you see a list of the top 5 MMO's, it's pretty mcuh the same ones, Wow at 1, followed by Guild Wars 2. Final Fantasy XIV, ESO and the last spot is usually either Runscape or Black Desert Online and I'd pick BDO as it seems to have more players anytime you log in and there's more UA-cam material being posted on it. I think most of the mentions about Runscape is due to nostalgia.
Even now though I dont think the list has really changed although I'd bet that FFXIV has jumped to second place after the last big jump in players. I think the most telling thing is that in the background the actual difference between those places has shrunk significantly and that WoW's total would be both classic and retail. So without proper figures it hard to tell these days Thank you for the comment and for watching
A word if caution about SE. They treat FF14 right but they are still a corporation and act that way. FFBE for example is massively predatory: content is cut for the global version if it helps the player too much, rewards are reduced or handed out in log in rather than lump sums, the developers lie or don't communicate at all. Part of this is the company that runs it for SE, Gumi, but a large part of it comes from SE itself and even if it wasn't they could put a stop to it. And it has little to do with being a gacha: both FFRK and Dissidia aren't run that predatory.
I think Square Enix works really well for Final Fantasy 14 because they do let Yoshida just kind of run the show without much interference, I think they've learnt thats just best for their business. As ultimately your right they are a corporation and even other games they do like the recent Marvel ones haven't exactly panned out great for the audience. One day I'll do a 'Can you trust them' on Square Enix and I think you've made a couple of notes that'll have to go on that script, but for now thank you for watching and for your comment
@@valgardgaming here's an example. We had our 5 year global anniversary celebration in July. Pretty impressive for a mobile game. There was a big campaign with lots of great stuff exclusively for new players. But to celebrate the vets who kept at it daily? Nothing. People waited to see if they'd announce something. They didn't. The non-casual player base exploded in a typical internet riot. The Devs finally released an apology letter and gave vets 150 free summons.... which had no guarantees so if you were unlucky you got nothing for being a vet. A clear sign that in an anniversary celebration they'd had no plans to thank the people who'd been there from the start. Even aside the personal as a business decision I find it baffling. Well enough. Already gone on too long. But Creative Business Unit 4 is in charge of the mobile titles. FF14 and Yoshi-P head up CBU3.
@@specialnewb9821 God damn, I hadnt been keeping up with the mobile game but surviving 5 years is damn impressive. For some reason I swear all corporate entities when they get into the mobile market think they can just bone their fans as if I recall something very similar happened with Genshin impact. Its incredible, especially for gatcha-esc kind of games. But thank you for your really insightful comment, this is gold
This would happen if they take away the dev team's autonomy which is helped by the fact that Yoshi-P is on the board of directors of the company. That's why the mogstation exists basically, it was a compromise to allow no interference which was a good chunk of why 1.0 was so awful (on top of a LOT of other issues).
I used to play WoW back in the day but quit around WotLK, however I got the urge to go back to I did in BFA and I was shocked at the state of the game; I had a fraction of abilities that I used to have. - Talents didn't feel as impactful. - cities were dead. - had no need to talk to people - the only time I had a decent convo with someone was randomly when we were fishing in the same spot. I did play classic and I loved it but then Blizzard did something which i couldn't support and they keep stepping in it. so at this point I can't support Blizzard. Then I thought I'd give the FFXIV trial ago and it sold me before I got to Heavensward (just doing ARR content cleanup) but it feels like an MMO. I see people in the world and chat isn't dead, while there are some thing's I'm not a huge fan of but willing to put it down to personal preference.
I think at this point that WoW is basically just all about the hardcore, competitive endgame and if you're not all about that then you're not going to survive all the really lacking MMO features. Like you said, the very few people in the world or just not chats at all. You're certainly not alone in not supporting blizzard as well, especially after Bobby Koticks recent exposure. They just keep pushing people away. Thank you for watching, and hope you keep enjoying FFXIV. If you're closing in on Heavensward you're truly in for a treat!
Thank you, i'm glad you enjoyed it! And I wish I could claim any black eagle references were totally intentional but unfortunately not. Thank you again for watching and for the comment
@@bogbody6128 So I randomly name generated a couple of time and one of them was Petra, so not knowing what surname to do I decided to google maps Petra (the famous historical site in Jordan) and down the road was a place named Nabatean. That's how I got there myself, so that's one hell of a coincidence
I think part of the appeal of FF14 is that it's got a great track record. Switching to a new MMO is a big investment, and it's scary to bet your livelihood on an MMO that may simply go down the same path as WoW (or never even get that far). FF14, on the other hand, has consistently shown its continuous improvements, quality, and respecting (and acting on) player feedback over the course of YEARS. That makes it a safe bet to try--because you can feel safe knowing that the MMO you're getting invested into isn't a potential dud.
I'd say you're 100% correct on all counts, then how they treated and very quickly reacted to the influx of players really solidified in alot of peoples minds that they really did make that correct choice. I feel there is a difference between seeing a great track record and feeling the effects of it. Just their little gestures of even apologising for the queues and server issues I think was enough to really show in peoples heads that the devs cared. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
How are they allowed to listen to their players, filter the trolls out and take the serious majority by heart? Then on top they play their own game and have a feel for whats what as both dev and playerside. Then they try to make the game fun... FUN!!! Amazon showed us that games should involve endless grind repetition and taxes! And then they also work during work hours and don't drink and harass co-workers. These practices are completely unfair to the other game studios (hello snowstorm, ubisoft,...) and should not be allowed. So unfair... 😂🤣😂🤣
Looking back WoD was probably the first mini-exodus of WoW players with both ARR releasing and WoD being the first major expansion to really just fall short. Thank you for watching
Well, thanks for Square to invest so much marketing with Final Fantasy 7at the time in 1997, the Final Fantasy franchise became so popular around the world
And then for the decision to make FFXIV a main franchise title as I know before they released in 2010 there was a bit of debate on how to approach it. Thank you for watching!
@@MelaniAlarcon Very true, so maybe the issue would have been if they were going to have two MMO's. As double checked, your right that it's still going and being developed which is absolutely wild considering that came out even before WoW
@@valgardgaming yes and also FF11 it was and still is a very good MMO with a good story (all Final Fantasy games have amazing and innmersive stories with great characters and music). It didnt have the problems XIV had. The problem is that the director of FF11 couldnt do his job 100% right with FF14, (it was because of the new engine problems). Here is a funny video explaining it: ua-cam.com/video/aWIrju3F6nU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TruebladeSeeker
@@MelaniAlarcon I haven't really heard anything bad about FF11, especially about the story as your 100% that Final Fantasy has always been so story focused that you pretty much always expect a high quality for it. It's just been eclipsed at this point by FFXIV now it's gotten off it's feet. Although wish I knew that tid bit about the original development as the next vid is going to be about 1.0 and just knew the dev team wasn't up to snuff for it I remember seeing that video I think from the Asmon reaction to it, and it continues to be such a good meme.
I was debating whether to play WoW or FFXIV, doing research and stuff. A lot of people said FFXIV is better, but a lot also said that WoW is better (most arguments saying FFXIV raids aren't as good). You know what got me to pick FFXIV? *Titania's trial.* That was it. That's all it took. It was the best choice I've ever made. I'm so glad I picked FFXIV.
From what i've seen the best way to think about it is that WoW's raiding/dungeons is better than FFXIV only in the high end scene. If you want to do high stress, time-trail mythics or very challenging raids then WoW is your go. The problem is that the rest of WoW isn't great. Whereas FFXIV, the raids and trials are really solid. Titania is a marvellous fight, but you've got some where you're thrown up in the air and halo jump to avoid flak from a giant tiger dude. The spectical and solid mechanics of FFXIV are marvellous and then it has the rest of the game to actually back it up so you're not just focused on that raiding. I reckon you made an excellent choice, especially as a new player as FFXIV is way more new player friendly. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
You hit on some good points, but missed out on a lot. Like the cadence by which FFXIV brings out new content, they don't invalidate content and everything is part of the game, the game was built around scaling and there is little reason to role alts. Then there is the story, which is cohesive and compelling. Generally sky beams doesn't fix the problem and there is a lot of underlying lore mechanics in place which you live through. Your character at times has choice, and though it's a faux choice it really makes you feel like you are part of the group.
To go through everything would make this one of the truly epicly sized videos as your right on all the points your making that they really do beat the competition. Although in hindsight I wish I really hit that content cadence point as although they're not as big as WoW patches they're both still very substantial and well timed. So really overall your getting more content over the course of a year than you would in modern WoW Thank you for watching
I don't see this happening for long, and I hope it doesn't come to pass. But there is one thing that can make the fans leave. It doesn't matter from where the company is from, Japan or America. All it would take for the fans to leave is for Square-Enix to be engulfed in a serious controversy based on their decisions, most likely involving toxic workplace environment, one that is engulfing Blizzard right now and has once torn Konami (Japanese company right here), or just its reputation, into pieces. That is the one thing that the fandom is absolutely aghast with. Let's hope Square-Enix never falls into that hole, with all those cautionary tales scattered around them. (They have once failed big time with the Avengers, but even they bounced back on that since there wasn't such big controversy) But I believe that with Yoshi-P at helm and the good principles he held steadfast affecting the company, it wouldn't happen.
Something tells me that even if something were you to come out like that about Square Enix that the Final Fantasy XIV team under Yoshi-P may be a bit more isolated which would definately help the community cope with such a loss of reputation. Then again, with all the cautionary tales and all the build up for the past few years even if there were such issues you'd hope they'd be investing in mitigation because the costs of not doing it are way to high
I'll start by saying you are right, Final Fantasy 14 naturally isn't perfect and there should be plenty of discussion dedicated purely to those topics. As of this video 2 months ago, and even a bit now, I think it's a case of old WoW players who either have tried their hand at content creation or those content creators who moved into the FFXIV space are kind of de-toxing themselves of WoW. You don't spend 10+ years of your life playing a game without naturally framing new experiences into that, as the honeymoon period starts to end and normalcy returns I think you'll see a couple of those issues addressed more earnestly. I know I'm starting to develop a couple of ideas myself, although if you have any suggestions for FFXIV issues you'd want to see covered please let me know. I still feel like, even after finishing the MSQ, that I've only scratched the surface so some issues long term players can see I may not have even come across yet. Thank you for watching
Hit the nail on the head. Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, and i'll just ignore the fact that 95% of people are disagreeing with me. Thank you for watching a couple of my videos, and again for the comment
You really aren't alone on that, I think the dam was starting to burst from WoW into FFXIV before the suits became public but the second they were announced. That dam just blew wide open. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Downside its about £100 a year to get the content, that's includes the monthly subscription as well as the cost of their paid expansions. Game itself is decent but expensive.
It really is, and in a way the subscription model for monetisation is pretty old at this point. Although, I'd rather them do what they're doing currently than relying on the cash-shop as thats when it starts getting pushed in your face. Thank you for watching
Well, if you want to be very frugal , you could just spend 2-3 months a year for the content. that rounds it down to 40-50£. The developers have stated you are not require to subscribe all the time. Play other games and come back when you want.
I don't think WoW is a fragile old man, I think it's more akin to a king who got way to fat and out of practice at fighting trying to duel a samuari who's spent a decade training and working on himself. WoW still has a great manpower and budget pool to draw on than FFXIV but they use it incredibly poorly and almost self-servingly
People forget to add: "we hope that" before. Wow is not dead gone yet. I am playing both, WoW endgame is funnier and smoother, so hope to see a good competition in the next future.
You're definately right that WoW isn't dead, nor will it likely ever really die. The other MMO's I mentioned have been surviving just fine with smaller player bases. I would say that what 'died' was that pedestal alot of people held WoW up on seperate to other MMOs, which now they're on more equal footing hopefully they truly embrace the competition and do some good stuff. (Well good stuff first time, patch 9.1.5 is all great but way to late) Thanks for watching and commenting
@@valgardgaming I agree with your video and your reply, WoW is no more king. FFXIV has taken a good advantage and this is great for the community. Developers of other companies can have hope again and people have more offer, competion can motivate studios to invest and experiment, unlike Blizzard-Activision did over the last decade. I would like to see more games coming out of the pack: ESO, The new world could help the gaming community aswell
The only reason why WoW lost me was because I got older and have more responsibilities and altogether just better things to do then to sit around playing an mmorph. FFXIV was never an option for me.
More or less an RTS, I'm refering to Lords of Vermillion on the second floor of the Golden Saucer where you use your collected minions to battle either NPC's or other players Thank you for watching and for the comment!
You've certainly got a point, and all that old guard which made the games that we loved so much have basically all moved on at this stage. I can't think of any names left now that Jeff Kaplan has finally departed after all the shenanigans with Overwatch. Being said though, looking at those reports, I'm wondering if Activision is starting to think if maybe Blizzard wasn't as good an investment as it looked back when it had a soul and independence.
FF14 offered a fun gaming experience. As a former WoW player (until August 31, 2021), I can say that WoW had begun to feel like a frustrating part time job and stopped being fun (at least for me). FF14 has been a wonderful experience so far… which caused me to buy the expansions that are currently out. I’m encouraging my friends from WoW to give it a try.
@@BewareOfStupidity don't forgot to ask if they know FF14's got a free trial that includes the base game and the critically acclaimed expansion, Heavensward, with no time restrictions!
NO reason you can't play both. There are things I can't stand in both games and things I love in both. It seems people think you can't play and enjoy both.
Youre 100% right that you can and in fact I do it myself between WoW raiding and then just the FFXIV story. I think the big issue is the average gamer only has roughly 6 hours of time a week to play in between responsibilities which makes splitting time between two games (especially MMO's) difficult. So if you have to choose then alot of people are going to favour FF's chiller vibe and less grind, or at least less necessary feeling grind.
God yeah, Blizzard feel into this trap of building the game around the wrong metrics and well here we are. FFXIV was just around to pick up the lions share of pieces for a lot of people. Thank you for watching, and commenting
I do agree FF is winning. But I would also like to point a slight disagreement. ESO had been doing better than WOW for a while. In fact the only reason I think ppl held only WOW being top dog for so long, was simple nostalgia or thats just the way it was for so long. ESO has been racking in the subs and growing. Not until this last year did they start taking hits. And FF has grown like 30% this last year. So I do agree its winning, but ESO was by no means a "niche" game. It has had over 5 million subs for most of its time out there.
I think your right that WoW was ontop more for nostalgia and to build on that point, because of the sunk-cost fallacy which is what makes the dramatic break of players so impressive earlier this year. I certainly knew that ESO is still going strong (although didn't know it was *that* strong), the use of 'niche' was more of a dramatic statement to highlight how much WoW had just dominated in the gaming public consciousness for so long which is no longer the case. Thank you watching and for highlighting just how good ESO is running, I really do need to jump in and give it another go, especially now I have the excuse that I can make a video on it
No - "Enix company" was back then, more like a Investor/Yacht Club (Yes, back then - they built Yachts)/and ALSO a Real Estate Company(!). And First name of Square - was actuall not a just "Square", but a "SQUARE Soft" (You can find it (that name of the Company) on NES/Famicom Cartridges of Final Fantasy). Fun Fact - SEGA now, is a subsidiary too, of Maternal Company called "Sega Sammy Holdings" Corporation. Where, is Sega - is just Main Sega and makes games, and a Sammy Company - it is was a company which works always everywhere, but main profit of them - was pachislot machines and casinos (Konami, Blizzard Activision, and Atari (Recent Atari) says hello. Even by the same company hierarchy, lol) And the Actual Good quotation from WarCraft is gonna be - "Arthas, Kings don't rule forever, my son...". Pretty ironic in the end.
Well Wikipedia lied to me then haha, although I do know they weren't both exclusively gaming companies. And I was tempted to end on that quote, but felt like the one I used (which is more a reference to real monarchy than gaming) was to indicate the shift in the market from one game to another than simply WoW just not being on top. Although in hindsight that may have been better, either way, thank you for watching and for the comment
I hope the biggest legacy of the WoW/FF14 thing is that developers realize they need to stop exploiting players. We keep talking about EA but people keep buying. Maybe now things will change since people are starting to look elsewhere.
I think that all of this will serve as a cautionary tale, at least in Blizzard to what happens when your actively try to do the opposite of what your audience says. The dumb thing is, even at it's most basic level, they're failing capitalism 101 where you sell people what they want. At least in the EA example, they're selling something people want and they know what they'll get because it's the same game over and over
i just cant get into FF14, im an advocate story skipper. I skip all cutscenes even in warcraft. Im just turned off on reading paragraphs of quests and tons of cutscenes. I tried but cant stand it. (Just tell me where to go what to kill to gain experience to do dungeons and raid)
Which is a totally valid way to play, hell in your case I'd even recommend the FFXIV boost to skip all of it considering just how much time the story really takes. Then you can go through all the trail bosses at your leisure
I can't get over the visuals and artistic style, so I won't be found anywhere near Final Fantasy. But that don't mean I will play WoW either. There are so many other games I can play, other genres... I can even watch shows. The last straw from WoW for me personally was the censorship of jokes and flirts. Because it not only changes history (changing the text and meaning of many of WoW's old historical quests), it proves beyond shadow of a doubt that WoW is run by rampant woke cultists. The language they use to justify this censorship is the same language you hear from any other industry these leaches destroyed. And when they do this universally hated decision in the times when WoW is in its lowest, then it's obvious they don't care about the players, they only care about the ideology. Instead of trying to save the IP and save the game, they abused this recent lawsuit to eliminate all resistance to their agenda. Since they did this now despite they have ton of real problems to solve, it is obvious that they will comply with the woke mafia demands even if WoW supposedly recovers in the future. And this sentiment will not only affect jokes, it will most importantly affect the story. If you hated the WoW's story now, prepare for the future, because it's gonna get wild. There is no woke story that is good. And for those who don't follow the story at all, like Preach and his viewers... having woke cultists in charge of the game development isn't good for you either. Because woke philosphy claims that gaming is a toxic masculine culture that promotes sexism, and thus it needs to be fundamentally overhauled. That in turn means that they should stop listening to the feedback, because nearly all of the negative feedback comes from "men". So whatever stupid grindy systems they introduce are here to stay. If you complain, you are a toxic troll. Woke philosophy also says that it doesn't matter if something is popular, and that it being popular doesn't mean it's good. Which ultimately results in companies pushing failing products, and when those products fail, they push them even harder. It's because the important thing isn't to make the product sell, it's to "put the product out there". By being "out there", it will over time gain reputation. Even if the reputation is hate-clicks, this reputation is then used as fame (Q-score). Companies later use this Q-score to sell characters or IPs to you. It's a cancerous practice, and I can no longer support it.
I don't think anyone can truly blame you, it's very final fantasy in its aesthetic which is can be such a hit or miss with alot of people. Thank god your right there is plenty out there to enjoy and glad you have found what you do. While I'm going to avoid talking politics as much as I can because that always becomes a mess. I think the very core of your point is really solid, that the WoW team care only about making decisions for themselves without any consideration for the game or for the audience at large. The results of which for the games health should by now be apparent to them but they continue to be blind to it so stopping support is the only true way to hopefully effect change. If not, well, like you said, there is already plenty of games out there to play
@@valgardgaming Trying to stay away from politics was a viable choice few years ago. But it's increasingly not possible. The paradox of staying out of politics is that woke cultists claim everything is political, so you staying out of it is a political stance to them. And every company, organization or community that isn't explicitly against their politics WILL eventually implement their politics. Escaping to Final Fantasy is an easy choice to make because Japan is still resistant to woke culture. But even that is changing. So the day may come when the devs of Final Fantasy will need to take a stance. If they choose not to take a stance, they will be consumed. If they choose to take a stance, they will be vilified. If not enough people take a stance, they will be destroyed.
@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ In the long term it has become very difficult (if not like you said impossbile) to stay out of any political discussion, as ultimately you'll say something quasi political, especially on stream when its more freeform and someone will jump on it either side of the spectrum. So being apolitical and neutral till forced is still the way to go in my eyes, a classic Switzerland manoeuvre.
weird. I'd argue all the changes wow has done is on some draconian puritanical christian shit. what's "woke" about telling women hey you need to cover up, and if you don't, you can't complain about being objectified. That's like the opposite of the most caricatured woke feminist you can think of. Wouldn't the "woke feminist" position be that woman should be able to do and "get away with" whatever men can? Women cover up, men carry on as usual seems the exact opposite of whatever woke agenda you think is at play here. Idk any "woke leftist sjw feminist" who hold the position that women need to humble themselves and cover up. that sounds more like something you'd expect an incel or something with socially conservatives views to say.
@@bryson8918 Because "Woke" used to mean progressive 15 years ago. It was woke for gay people to get married, it was woke to have an accomplished woman in charge. It was woke to create equality. Today woke is regressive. Showing the female body nurtures the male gaze and is bad, naked women and beautiful women will offend ugly women so they should be censored. Companies should not hire based on merit but based on diversity quotas. Women should be in charge whether they're accomplished or not. Straight men are particularly bad and are always racist and always white supremacist, etc. It's a toxic ideology that is creeping into a lot of media and infesting it. Look at how women look in a lot of western media recently. Forexample look at Diablo 2 Resurrected's Amazon. I stand by equality for both genders and all races. I am against Critical race theory, and against equity, diversity quotas, and censorship. Blizzard have been going off the deep end recently.
I really wouldn't say it "won." truth be told i'd be happy to have a bunch of mmos that are really big and good to play. WOW dying is really more sad than anything, IMO.
Your right that won is going a bit far, it's more than they benefited emensely from WoW's woe's. And honestly, I don't even think thats opinion, it's more or less just straight fact. Most people I've talked to find it just such a sad downfall. People loved the game and so many have stories from their time in Azeroth, which makes the realisation its not a good game anymore all the more painful
I think it is always important to mention 'mostly', I think that the FFXIV fanbase is also a bit more realistic on average about the quality of the game. Which is pretty easy considering it's fairly consistently solid
i think ppl are wrong in the way to think FF14 win over wow . Yoshida and FF14 doesn't look to "win" , they make their way , no more no less , the dev team upgrade the game expansion after expansion , adding content progressivly . Yes the decline of wow is here to remember them what could happen if they make a mess but i don't think they want to goal the same Everest that wow was
You're very right, and it's not like WoW is dead or that FFXIV was the one to kill it. WoW has been declining in quality while, as you said, FFXIV has been slowly increasing over the many years. While very dramatic, the 'Win' in this case comes in two forms. That FFXIV got the majority of ex-wow players and that it's getting the recognition it deserves. Thank you for watching
You forgot mahjong, there is a well known mahjong player who plays mahjong on ff14 just because that's where his fans are. Nothing else in the game... just mahjong.
The reason why FF14 was so well hidden all these years is that WoW players were so invested that a lot of them were really uninterested in playing another MMO and even if they did they would do it with the WoW mindset of skipping to endgame as quickly as possible which is a design choice not shared by these other MMOs. FF14 has managed to finally break that ilusion cloak and free MMO players from that WoW mindset, to try new games and have fun as their main incentive which is amazing because this ilusion has been crafter by some people for over 15 years
In the end, I don't think it was FF14 that broke the spell of WoW, it was WoW itself. After the hit and miss expansion cycle, they finally had a miss then just, bigger miss. FF14 was just a career fireman who was there at the bottom of the burning building helping catch all the people who decided that 'it wasn't fine' anymore. But your right about the WoW mindset too, took me awhile to change over when I first started playing but thankfully not to hard once you get into the rythem of it
@@valgardgaming The thing is that only after years of suffering did the WoW players seek out other games and imagine that if intead of playing FF14 they would play New World per example. Added with the fact that they are very defensive about trying other MMOs in the first place they could have just gone back to WoW and never tried anything again for a long time or just quit MMOs in general. But FF14 is just a really good game so of course they are going to stick arround and most of them just switch games. There could even be a debate for if FF14 currently is better than peak WoW in TBC or WotLK (even if I think its a bad comparison because as many people said before they are entirely different games)
I wouldnt generalize it like that, but a certain mindset was also a big thing for me. Because WoW with its design philosophy is just ridiculously time consuming (if you want to play on a high level) and glues you to this game. To raid mythic (savage), there were so many extra systems and things to do to stay competitive - and those systems werent even fun for me. It felt like a second job, a list of chores, just to play the actual content I wanted to play. It is a must to log in x amounts of times a week and farm y amounts of shit once new content hits, else you would fall behind. Trying ff14 now and there is nothing like that. I can do whatever I want. It's so refreshing!
Yea it was bound to happen blizzard could only lie about WoW being the best for so long until people caught on. Ffxi was better than wow for its entire life cycle and 14 picked it back up at ARR
I’d argue that ff14 was set to win before the free trial added heaven award I joined the game a few months before that and everyone I met were wow refugees who told me not to bother trying wow because ff14 is just a better game
I think your right that it was always going to keep growing and succeding but that extra bit of free trail really just helped push the FFXIV case for all the evangelists. If you were interested in really competitive, high-end pvp and pve then WoW would be the game for you, but for everything else then Final Fantasy 14 is just so dramatically better that it's redicious at this point. Thank you for watching
What Blizzard has done to WoW's story is akin to having a 7 year old boy with severe ADHD come up with the overall plot and new lore (retcon fully allowed) and then having a bunch of 60 year old virgins who still watch kids' cartoons all the time flesh out the details. Vanilla Alpha - Hey what should the world be called? AZEROTH! ...but that's the name of a kingdo-- AZEROTH! No, the main kingdom in the southern part o-- AZEROTH!!! ...ok fine. MoP - Hey, panda man was cool in WC3, let's do him for next expansion! Yeah, whole continent! Oh quick, throw in old god something so it relates to literally anything else! WoD - Hey guys, i found an old WC2 manual, look at all these orc factions! Oh cool, let's do that for the next one! Buy how, they're all dead...? Everyone's favorite stupid illogical narrative device - time travel! ...mixed with alternate universe travel! Legion - BRRRTTTTT PEW PEW BZZZZRRRRRR man, demons are kinda cool, let's bring back them! Ok but this is the last time, I'm tired of playing demons, so let's just rush through the entire second half of the story that's been building since WC1 and get it out of the way. BfA - So have you guys seen Celestials in those marvel comics? Let's do that but with titans and Azeroth, we can make a dwarf say "AUUCH, CHAMPION" 500000 times, too, and sorta talk to the planet and also I like boats and water stuff. SL - I saw a cool special effect where the sky shattered like glass! WHOA COOL! Yeah, let's make them do that. Also I just watched Avengers again so let's do an infinity gauntlet with the stones! Ok but mom said copyright infringement is bad so we gotta do it different! That's ok, we can do a bunch of different places where the stones are like in the movies but just make them our normal aesthetics we've used 500 times.
Probably wouldn't go that far myself, but the fact that I can see where your coming from is a big enough indicator of how poor Blizzards writing has been. Just sit down and make a plan for the story, it's really not that hard, otherwise you do end up with that 'what are we going to do next?' end of each expansion or 'Shadowlands will bring people back, we'll get those player numbers!' kind of deal. Thank you for watching, and love the Chamber of Understanding profile pic, kind of adds to your arguement
Hey, hey, hey, it only took them 8 months for the content patch (9.1 in late June). It took them 11 months to fix all the trash systems everyone knew were trash since Shadowlands beta. And the devs really are just self-agrandising at this point which is a damn shame, but regardless, thank you for watching
That's a brilliant way of phrasing it and your right that it's likely never going to be that kind of game. The only time it'll become that kind of game is if they pull a realm reborn and basically make WoW 2 with more modern design. Thank you for having a small binge of my videos today and all the comments you've left, I really do appreciate it
I know I’m gonna sound like a blizzard simp But with everyone praising this game and it’s community, my personal experience makes it come off as a cult. Absolutely loved ARR but everything afterward got slower and more tedious. Best thing I can say about ShBr was I liked the ambiance and aesthetic, that’s it. Constantly hearing “play what you want” only to hear after months that I can’t play that class because there’s already a Shield Healer. “Oh you wanted to raid with us? Our FC doesn’t raid. Sorry!” “I have a static you can join- Oh wait, sorry we’re full now!” “There’s too many damn sprouts, go back to your dying game if you don’t know mechanics!” I’m tired of it all. I gave this game a chance because my friends play it and I enjoyed it at first, but the community drew me away. I don’t know if people just got tired of the massive amount of sprouts or if their friendly façades finally broke but I can’t stand it anymore. I stopped enjoying WoW as a game years ago but stayed for the community and friends I made in it, that’s the only reason I keep going back.
I'm an avid FF14 player, but I'm perfectly okay with your response, and can understand what you mean. A community means a lot in an online game, and if what you find in WoW appeals more to you, then feel free to give FF14 a pass. Make sure to spend your time in a way where it brings you joy, and you have to find that place based on how you feel personally, and not what others tell you :)
FarelForever hits the nail on the head, as almost unsurprisingly community and other players have a drastic effect on anyones enjoyment of an MMO. While ultimately its disappointing you came across those people as of course they exist, despite what a lot of people do say FFXIV isn't perfect, you gave it an honest go and I think that's all you can ever do. Thank you both for watching, commenting and i'm glad you found the game you can enjoy Yukon
well tbf ff14 didnt even have to do anything. blizzard did not only shoot themselfs in the foot, they threw every explosive known to mankind on their foot while stabbing themselfs in the leg multiple times
Honestly, despite how graphic that it is, it still feels like an under-statement. But yes, FFXIV didn't kill WoW or anything that drastic, it just managed to attract the lions share of the refugees post-WoW which is still hell of a victory considering the current active player reports
@@valgardgaming amen to that, wanted to get into ff14 but the gcd is just to big having played guild wars2 and wow before. playing as a caster was fine though, cast times are apperently better than gcd to my smooth brain
@@Moffattt Oh yeah, going between wow classic and FFXIV is really strange on the gcd. I wish FFXIV would add in more of the abilities you weave in between each gcd earlier as that becomes really fun although I suppose you can just switch to a caster who all look dope as.
Because Blizzard decided to do something below players' expectations in both fun and lore. Sadoland is weak in elements that attract and keep players, which after so much grind, RNG and timegate done to keep the player playing like a machine, has caused more and more players to hemorrhage. Sadoland just makes us waste our time with the game and not with us wanting to enjoy our time with the game.
I think that's exactly right, and all that grinding is only good if you really want to do the competitive end-game stuff like mythics. If you don't want to though, there really isn't anything else in the game for you to do.
Almost every way, you could give retail some credit for high-end competitve pve & pvp, but even then Yoshi-P hinted at some pve stuff coming sometime soon, so potentially won't be able to give them that. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
I think its a competition as they're in the same market and not some big direct rival competition like Adidas and Puma, although 100% agree with you on the Blizzard killing themselves slowly point. Thank you for watching and for the comment
Yeah, when people can keep glitching and exploiting bugs in the game to kill people in open world pvp and Blizz does exactly jack and shit even with video evidence and people actively streaming their exploits, it shows that thesy don't care.
Call me bitter and a butt, but I'm still keenly aware of a sizeable chunk of the WoW player base who up until recently would call FFXiV weeb trash. Same people coming over and behaving like FFXiV is the best game and wow is trash and etc, completely not owning up to the fact they smacked talk the hell out of a really well made game with a great community cause its not WoW. Yeah that bothers me. Do I eant to keep out the wow refugees? No of course not. More the merrier. Just let's not pretend how a decent sum of wow players mocked this game for stupid reasons instead of giving it a go.
From what I've seen, most people have kind of admitted 'yeah I believed the sterotype and then actually it was amazing' and I'll be honest i'm surprised you feel more bitter than vindicated as you were ultimately right that FFXIV was a great game really deserving of all the praise and playbase that it's been receiving since the WoW exodus. Thank you for watching and for your perspective on the exodus
And the actual process of buying stuff from the mogstation is a bit of a pain, so you've got so many chances to back out but you never do cause they're worth the money. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
You ticked off a list of new stuff, but FF allows players to go back to any point of the lore and still play it. It definitely is not the same as the original content, but it has enough challenge and FUN to engage players. WoW killed itself back in 2005, when it ignored its horribly toxic community. Forums didn't matter, and streams were still a distant dream. FF is definitely the right game / right time currently, but make no mistake: WoW has fallen on its sword, finally unable to overcome it's toxic community, it's toxic developer(s), and it's toxic practice of destroying its classic lore for time sinks. And do not think the culture wars being fought do not matter either. WoW has spent its time at the heart of the western culture war around victimhood. FF is a Japanese game, refitted a bit for western audiences. Things which are kawaii (cute), strong characters who do not demand support, and the strengths of femininity being treated as the separate by equal ideals most of us "peasants" still enjoy. It does not judge you, it celebrates you! Just don't be an ass, or those cute little "objectified cat girls" will show you just how they make "cat gut." This was a great summary though, very fair without hating on WoW. A++
While i'm going to not talk about the culture war section of the comment as I do want to remain as apolitical as I can manage, I think you certainly have a point in that toxicity in both the community and dev team has lead to this point. The dev team seems to do whatever they want without much regard to the playerbase, and the game seems to be designed to cater to the most on-average toxic element of the player base (competitive end-game with either pve in mythics or pvp with arenas) which they do really well but it's come at the cost of most other elements of the game. FFXIV however is a far better experience holeistically so its no surprise that the exodus happened in the end Thank you for watching, the comment and kind words at the end
All these new youtube videos about FFXIV winning, being better than WoW and everything of the sort make me cringe. I've been a WoW player since vanilla and a FFXIV player for almost a year now, and unfortunately, with the mass migration of WoW players to FFXIV, some of the WoW mentalities are also joining FFXIV. The constant need to show how the game you are playing is better than the competition, the dunking on smaller MMOs, the lack of understanding and communication in-game.... these are just a few of the average WoW player traits. Since the start of autumn, my UA-cam feed as been inundated with videos of WoW bros joining the FFXIV and dunking on WoW, and now I'm starting to see bits and pieces of the WoW player traits in FFXIV. I just hope that the people who join this cool game understand it's not like WoW and don't completely fuck up the FFXIV community with the WoW mindset.
The people who can't break that WoW mindset don't make it through the MSQ, one thing that can be said for the slower start in the ARR is that it provides a bit of a wall for people who aren't going to jell with the way FFXIV operates. As for your concerns about the community potentially changing they're valid, WoW has taught people terrible habits for a long time, but FFXIV is designed in a way to as I mentioned weed out the worst and then mold the people who are left into something far more acceptable. As for dunking on WoW specifically, it's just cathartic, after years and years of the same stuff it's good to finally be playing a game the devs care about. My bet is there'll be less and less WoW videos as time goes on as most content creators get into the FFXIV swing of things and can actually make informed videos purely about it. Not to say WoW content will completely go away, there'll always be new news which is going to make for quality content, but those will come in waves when there is that new information. Thank you for watching, and for your comment
Going through all the mini-games at the Golden Saucer is a dedicated video in itself, but your right, Mahjong is pretty under-appreciated (still need to get a handle on it myself). Thank you for watching
Update : Endwalker has been move to Dec 3 for early access and full release Dec 7
Pinned, thank you for commenting the update. It's a bit of a shame, but 2 weeks thankfully isn't much and nobody is more disappointed about it than Yoshi-P
@@valgardgaming he was looking forward to playing as while
@@valgardgaming Oh he wasn't just disappointed, he practically cried on the Live Letter, apologizing knowing people took time off for the expansion.
@@valgardgaming If anything this only concretes the statements you made. that means those who were interested will now have more time, if only 2 weeks, to have more time to catch up as best as they can.
Final fantasy has been amazingly welcoming. I am a 14 year WoW refugee and Final Fantasy 14 has changed my whole outlook on MMO’s in general. I forgot how fun they truly are and how amazing a community can be
Keep talking like that and we will have to hug mate! - Final Fantasy 14 comunnity in a nutshell.
i wish you people would stay in wow. Youre bringing all the shit you left behind with you.
@@jimmythecrow lol
@@jimmythecrow No, come on man. We are supposed to be welcoming and better than the toxic folks. People are coming to XIV to experience an actual community, they want a better experience. Lets not greet them with the same toxicity they are trying to run from. Gatekeeping is absolutely disgusting
@@jimmythecrow I wish you went to WOW you'll fit right in
One key point you made near the end...you'll have had 7 months to get invested in your character. Character, not characters. Since you can play all jobs on a single character you become even more invested in them.
The one thing that amazes me about your exact point is that they do manage to pull of getting invested despite being so fluid in your job choice. I think part of the fun of a single class in an MMO and even tabletop games like D&D is having that defintive strengths and weaknesses which are in a way unavoidable then coming against challenges with that skill set, so your investment is directly tied to the class. 'I'm a warrior' or 'I'm a mage' kinda deal.
The best way I can think of that FF14 does this is you think of yourself as 'The Warrior of Light' and not as your job so all that investment still goes solidly into your character.
Thank you for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it
@@valgardgaming every veteran knows that its canon that "Meteor", the WoL stand in, is capable of every job.
that is also just shown in the Shadowbringers trailer.
@@miri5373 For someone who is relatively new (only a couple of months now, but I have finished the MSQ), I didn't actually know it was canon or that our standins name was Meteor. Easily one of the coolest things about finally jumping into FFXIV is discovering all of these bits and pieces of the world and it's story, as good god there is a lot out there.
Thank you for the interesting info, and watching
@@valgardgaming Meteor is the default Hyur character... just that Meteor has stubble, which everyone is hyped we r getting in EW.
and each of the trailers has him with a different job, mainly what fits the theme of where we are going/what we are gonna do.
probably like the Au Ra thing... players went "ok hornrubs are their way of kissing" and at som point the Devs just rolled with it XD
@@valgardgaming It's not Meteor, it's actually Meteor Survivor some shorten that to Meteor as if it's a first name. But, the far more common name for him is Derplander, playing off his Hyur Midlander race.
The FF14 community is incredible.
Being a WOW refugee myself not even 5 minutes into the game of creating my character I had people running up to me giving me money, a set of low-level gear which I assume is crafted and even a little minion pet.
It was so overwhelming and it brought such a resurgence of positive energy within my body that I haven't felt in literally 15 years when WOW used to be just like this in the very beginning. I WAS HAVING FUN!!!
I'm absolutely astounded that there is still MMOs that have a community like this that exist.
I feel absolutely embarrassed and ashamed that I did not give this game a chance much sooner by listening to other people.
I learned my lesson and I will always experience things for myself instead of listening to others.
Anyways I look forward to my future Journey in this new world.😊😊
a lot of people I know that have nothing to do recently complained that there are so many low lvl players on the trial...
they cant throw minions or glam gear that they get frequently at the free trial players XD
When you see a sprout just spread that kindness to them. That's the only reason this community is so positive, because we just keep spreading it to the next guys.
Back when I started in 2017, on my second night playing I had a Scholar come up to me and they gave me 500k gil and a Flying Chair all because I was playing Arcanist and they just said they like to see new people playing it. Sadly, I couldn't use the mount for quite some time. But, this shows the generosity people in this game can show has been around for a long time. I try to help out from time to time thanks to that.
@@miri5373 tell me bout it.
I don't notice much of a difference in the communities if I'm being honest. People don't talk in random queue dungeons in WoW and don't in FF14, and I've been steady playing FF14 for months (Leviathan). There is less berating of bad players because most people just /leave as any sort of chat that could be interpreted as bashing is bannable. When I first started I would ask for a rundown of the boss mechanics in FF14 and people were helpful, but WoW has a dungeon journal that tells you the boss mechanics plus everyone runs DBM so it's not really necessary.
I've never once been invited to a group to world quest (or Fate spamming), and that at least happened every once in a while in WoW but not enough to be considered a "social" game.
The only thing that's instantly noticeable is the lack of carry spamming and political trolling in general/trade chat in FF14, which is nice.
PvP griefing also doesn't exist in FF14 because world PvP doesn't exist.
I play FF14 because it's honestly just a better game minus PvP which I never really cared for in WoW.
The best way most FFXIV players describe how they feel when they log in isn't "What do I need to do today?", but instead it's "What *_should_* I do today?", you never feel like you need to do one particular thing, it's just what you want to do on that particular day.
That's honestly a really tidy way of putting the feeling of logging in. As ultimately there is just so much content to pick from in FFXIV that you really are just free to pick and choose at your leisure without worrying about how much it'll impact your player power. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
The amount of time I spent just walking around, taking screenshots and doing roulettes instead of doing MSQ is just shameful lmao
@@jirojairo90 I think the old John Lennon quote applies here 'Time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted time', as I think one of the best things about FFXIV is you really aren't pressured to get the MSQ out of the way, it's all really just at your own pace
Have played FFXIV for 8 years now. I am absolutely loving the influx of new players. It’s great going into the starting cities and seeing them packed with sprouts.
I think I can say confidently that it's an incredible experience for sprouts to come into a new world and actually see tons of people in the cities, makes the world feel so alive and welcoming! Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Something that benefits the new player experience a lot: All content is available essentially forever and is always being run. While a number of other large online games tend to vault content or make similar moves, other than the scrapping of 1.x itself, and obviously seasonal and limited events coming in and out, all the content is around forever, and you'll always be able to run it due to the roulette system. And since the story is the centerpiece, you lose nothing by being a late arrival. This makes it immensely newbie-friendly.
I think you expand on an absolutely excellent point which I wish I brought up more that it really is super newbie friendly, both if you're an mmo veteran coming into the world as the ARR is a bit slower to give you time to get centred with all the characters and world more generally. Or if you're simply new to the MMO genre more broadly by not over-whelming you with abilities right off the bat ontop of the tutorial arena thingo. Let alone how its just naturally good at teaching you mechanics like the markers for trials.
As for content more generally, it really is good that everything is available and that it incentivises you to go try it out as well. Both with the roulettes and other systems like the Wonder Journals you pick up in Idyllshire. Really gives you the sense that you can play at your own pace, so ultimately you never do get the feeling of FOMO (except for those seasonal events, but people can understand those so it's not exactly the worst thing ever)
Thank you for watching, and for the comment
You either make it through ARR, or you become a living advertisement for FFXIV. There is no in between.
Pretty sure you'll find that in the T&C's just in very fine print at this stage, thank you for watching
One thing I will say is that since you can play every class on one toon, the stress of choosing a starting class and the pressure of "you chose the bad class" is completely removed.
Also if you get bored of your current class or don't like the playstyle, you are not punished by having to start over again.
It's such a unique way of doing the class system and admittedly, thank god they have done it this way as, as much as I love the MSQ having to do it 2-3 times just for alts would be insane.
Thank you for watching
As a ESO player, and FF player. I love the class system from FF. One of my main problems with ESO is fake tanks and healers. ppl change their role to tank or healer as DPS and no one gets to run the dungeon. (Vet). Cant do that in FF. you role up a healer, you a healer no way to lie. you could still be bad at your job lol, but dont have dual wielding "healers" lol
Conversely, if you pre-form with friends, you can go in as crazy combinations together because pre-forms ignore the restrictions. I've been party of insanely silly "all tank" 8 man raids. Was it efficient? Heck no. Was it fun? Heck yes! Blue mage in particular *has* to do pre formed parties because they are forbidden from using Duty Finder, so the Party Finder is often filled with all blue spell farming parties.
Plus all the classes are so well balanced that you don’t need to worry about picking the “bad class”.
Not just that, there's not really a "bad class", there's just "players bad with (a) certain class(es)".
I’m not a WoW refugee but I did join during the July surge thanks to the hype and the free trial. It’s now November and I’ve bought the full game, I’m level 73 and currently on my final lap of Stormblood aiming to start Shadowbringers next week. It has been a hell of a ride and I’m so happy I finally gave this amazing game a chance.
Glad you decided to join the hype train as it's been a beautiful one. You've got a hell of a lot in store for you, and then you'll be able to go straight into Endwalker without the wait that so many others that started then have to do haha
FFXIV also has one of the best Mahjong games you'll find anywhere, on top of all those other minigames he mentioned.
There's even achievements for being really good at it the "Mahjong Master" title is one of the biggest flexes around because of how intensive it actually is and depends solely on personal effort and skill.
Actually, a lot of the biggest flexes don't even come from combat achievements, things like the Triple Triad mount requiring all the cards or pretty much any of the achievements from the Gold Saucer ("High Roller" especially), the Ocean Fishing achievement minions + mount.
Hell, even the Gatherer/Crafter relic gear is more difficult and time consuming than the combat relics.
And one of the rarest mounts in the game comes from doing a bunch of crafting and gathering for the Firmament in Ishgard.
Honestly going to have to use FFXIV to start learning Mahjong as it's actually been a point raised a couple of times that it really is a top notch version of the game.
And I think you're exactly on the money that there are so many non-combat flexes which leads to the idea of player choice. You can play any way you like and still be able to get a symbol of the time you put into it. The super glowy weapons from combat or that god-forsaken pterodactyl from the restoration. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
People are also quite fond of the version of mahjong in the Yakuza games, too.
I've been playing xiv since 1.0 and after all the hard work the team has put into the game it's fantastic that the game now is becoming popular I love meeting people who are doing the msq for the first time and how excited they are kinda brings back memories of my first time all those years ago. All are welcomed in Eorzea ❤️
Beautifully said and you're one of the reasons why the FFXIV community has such an overall good reputation. Thank you for watching and for the comment!
Amazing how far its come since the days of not even having auto attack, eh?
@@JackgarPrime It's come an absurdly long way from everything i've seen, and it's really good to see it getting the credit and recognition it deserves. Although, looking at the queues maybe a little bit too much haha
I played when ARR launched and didn't really had fun. I didn't touch FF 14 until early 2019 but now I have a better rig to play it with. I was just coming out of the tail end of Legion. I couldn't believe how good the game has gotten. When I joined an FC, I actually met them in-game as opposed to meeting them only for dungeon runs or raids in Legion. We had costume contest, hide and seek, we did raids and PotD and HoH and Eureka. I actually had a lot of fun!
Then I burned out. I played the game 12 hours a day for 9 months. 2 months after Shadowbringers, I quit. Then I came back in August 2021 (you'd think I'd come back during the height of Covid, but I worked in a hospital so I was still working while non-essential workers couldn't) and I'm taking it slower now. I only play like 3-4 hours and just enjoying things.
Thanks for coming, watching the video and sharing your story.
I found myself, that things really get rolling when you hit Heavensward, so can 100% see why at launch the ARR itself wouldn't have been tons of fun. I absolutely love that FF facilitates all the crazy stuff you can do as an organised group and that the community has really taken to it, embraced the silly, while also being really cool. I've seen my share of FC houses and in-game, player driven events which is incredibly different to the almost regimented style of community you find in WoW (which has its own charm). Glad you've found your happy medium, 12 hours for 9 months is an impressive binge but nobody could keep that up forever
Yoshi-P actively encourages his players to take their time and to go play other games if they want. He just wants people to have fun. Everything else is secondary.
@@valgardgaming Oh yeah, I woke up at around 7 AM, play until 12PM for lunch, and then play up until 9PM. I leveled new jobs, the profession class, did hunt trains and dungeons, but yes it was a little bit much.
"Saying we won or lost to WOW is off base to start with." - Naoki Yoshida (ua-cam.com/video/MgwliOmjHHE/v-deo.html)
You're 100% correct and as all games are iterative processes you can never truly win unless you were literally the only game left in existence. The title was a bit of hyperbole to get people to watch as that's unfortunately what you have to do to get views as a smaller channel. Thank you for coming by and reminding me of that interview
eh thats using a cop out quote to prove a point we all know is BS. He doesnt want to beat MMO's out of the market, but he clearly wants to be top dog. In the same interview he said that no company could keep up with him and would like to see them try, I notice you didnt quote that lol. Yoshidas point on beating was simple, they dont want to kill their competition because competition is good and keeps the games moving forward. But he also said he wants his to be the best. So good job hiding behind a PC statement lol.
@@joshuarogue9345 the nuance is different, and Yoshida wanted to be particular about that.
Winning means that the battle is over and FFXIV reigns king. Not only is that an unrealistic view of the situation, it's that mentality that caused 1.0's massive failure.
The alternative put forward was acknowledging "we are ahead right now" instead of continuing to claim that WoW is still doing better. Which would strike of humble for PR, which Yoshida clearly didn't want to do. He acknowledged that they became the fastest growing MMO in the past half-year, and made it clear that he would prefer that their success didn't snuff out any less-fortunate competitors.
Whether or not he intentionally made those statements for a PR boost, it just so happens to represent a mentality that is best for the health of the MMO industry: check your pride, acknowledge successes from both effort and luck, and use them to challenge others to strive for the same success.
This is one of the best FFXIV vs WoW videos made; as a 12 year WoW refugee who quit last year after a fruitless beta cycle I quit on Shadowlands prepatch.... when no one could REALLY understand /ready to accept yet. Great job on this video; you deserve more views and subscribers
I think you were really ahead of the curve, as by the timing of the mass exodus it seems like it took 6 months of nothing for others to see that Shadowlands was going to be fruitless in hindsight. Thank you for watching and for such high praise, I really hope to keep making content thats worth it. Hope to see you on the next video!
@@valgardgaming I wouldn't say that Shadowlands at its release was that bad, the problem was a probably covid and internal issues related content delay. People disliked the covenant system and the kite meta in M+ was unpopular, the changes in pvp gearing as well as Castle Nathria as a raid were received positively though. I feel like two things which bit WoW hard could have been actually listening to some hardcore gamer complaints, like getting rid of progression systems like artifact power and removing titanforging, which made hardcore players who feel compulsed to grind like crazy happy, but left the more casual base starved of progression, especially since the lack of titanforging makes progression harder for them.
Like I mentioned in another video here, I think now both games are in the position where they need to deliver. WoW needs to deliver with 10.0 while FF14 will need to show, that its able to keep its new players long term, once the spectacle of the MSQ has itself worn out and the new players are engaging more in every day content in between patches.
Good Video, will say though, that Twitch Deal, was made months before WoW had it's great crash with the Lawsuit and 9.1 Patch, while it'd be great to think that square just jumped at that, that was really just a happy accident.
Didn't actually know that, a happy accident which the PR machine and other new outlets kind of just ran with because it certainly makes a better story. Thanks for the input and enjoying the video
Final Fantasy, much like Animal Crossing New Horizons in 2020 achived a perfect storm completely out of their control.
In Animal Crossing’s case, the Covid lockdowns began in earnest late March/early April of 2020. ACNH releaced March 30, 2020. That timing meant that at the beginning of lockdown, people that had a Nintendo Switch had a brand new, chill life simulator game they can put 100s of hours into just in time to be locked in their houses with nothing to do. This drove up sales for ACNH and made it the second best selling Switch Game period, beating out Smash Ultimate.
Final Fantasy 14 experienced something similar. Content creators, and by extention players of World of Warcraft waking up to how bad Blizzard’s design choices really were in Shadowlands drove these people to look for alternatives. Not only was FF14 constantly whispered into these people’s ears with methods such as the Extended Free Trial meme, but FF14 had announced Endwalker in Febuary of 2021, meaning that not only did these refugees have hundreds of thousands of hours of “brand new” content to chew through, but they also have a brand new expantion they can experience with everyone else if they were quick enough with the MSQ. Consitering the Wow Exodus really started in earnest in June and July, before the sexual harrassment debacle went public in August, one can’t really say it was exclusively because of the lawsuit that this exodus began at all. To use an analogy, World of Warcraft already had the stab wound, the doctors just accidentally punctured an artery while trying to fix the original wound, making the bleeding so much worse, and Final Fantasy 14 was the game that benifited the most from World of Warcraft’s hemoraging.
It really is a shame though. It never had to be this way, as Wow could of learned and both Ff14 and Wow could of improved off of eachother, as Yoshi P did cite Wow (in Cataclysm and Mists) as one of the main insparations as to how to craft ARR. Yoshi P even said in a recent interview that he was excited that New World came out and it was popular, so they can see what Amazon did and somehow work in what worked in New World into 14. This is how things should be. Healthy competition, because in the end everyone wins.
Your right on the money that something in the stars aligned for FFXIV's massive player increase. Although I think I'd add when it comes to Blizzard and WoW, it wasn't just that the game decisions were bad, it's that content was coming in waaaaay to late. It's easy to forget about bad systems when the next patch introduces new ones to figure out and fixed the last ones, but there wasn't anything in Shadowlands so everyone was bored and pissed at those poor decisions. Especially content creators who'd milked WoW for all it'd been worth at this point as it was really them that (intentionally or not) lead the charge over to FFXIV. Your also very correct on the point that this all started before the law suit, I think another anology is that the dam had started breaking but then torrential rains hit which really just made to burst wide open.
Competition is incredible, and it's a shame to see WoW be in this state due to nothing short of pure arrogance. Ironically, if they watched the Yoshi-P A Realm Reborn presentation that was literally rule 1 for a game going bad.
Thank you for watching and your well thought out comment
@@valgardgaming Its obvious that beside the controversies, Blizz was hit heavier than expected by covid and it only became really noticable post launch. Which makes sense, as at the time the pandemic started, most of the programming work for Shadowlands was long done and the game was at the stage of beta testing and finetuning, with the pandemic probably becoming a problem once they started work for 9.1, which was delayed just too much.
Though I would say its much too early to declare FF14 the winner really. It has become a serious competition, but we will have to see whether or not the FF14 dev team will keep that success. They will certainly need to up their game, when it comes to keeping the WoW players. The more casual players will probably be kept happy easy enough, though I'm not sure if FF14s solo content is enough, but when it comes to the raiding and pvp crowd, FF14 will need to invest its increased popularity and therefore profits into expanding development, as at this point I don't think they will be able to keep WoW players busy long term. And I feel like when it comes to job design, they will need to get people who are more proficent and knowledgable with Tank and Healer roles, as these are a strong weak point in terms of class design compared to DPS roles. I also think WoW has still the opportunity to make a comeback, if Blizz gets its mess sorted in time and they manage to deliver with 10.0. They already once managed a very strong comeback with Legion that followed the equally cut WoD Expansion.
@@shizachan8421 I can't take away that covid certainly had a huge impact, although that was mainly on the content drought after the fact. The end-game systems that most people decryed were already in the game at launch, it just took awhile for people to hit that wall.
You're certainly right that FFXIV hasn't won yet, nor will WoW just die. I think the main point beyond all the hyperbole on my end is that WoW is no longer the undisputed king. Although with some of the changes coming in Endwalker to pvp and the hints that they may be looking to do something similar to mythics/mythic+ during the Endwalker media tour. I wouldn't be surprised if there is enough coming to actually retain a lot of those WoW players who do want the end-game after all the story content as you're on the money that is a potential issue considering you can't take away WoW's end-game pvp and pve dominance.
@@valgardgaming Like I mentioned, dunno if here or somewhere else, I think one thing that added to the content drought was the fact that Blizz removed titanforging and artifact power and also made World Quests ultimately take longer and less rewarding. I think it takes alot of progression away from people who play more casually and I've seen Shadowlands being described as a raid or die expansion after release. Though I will defend the borrowed power systems. They are very hit or miss and take alot of fixing, but I think they are a necessity when we want gameplay changes and new flashy abilities each expansion. FF14 itself seems to have reached the point where adding new abilities in each expansion seems to become less and less sustainable. There is a horrible button overbload and lets be honest, outside of stuff like the Summoner rewamp, which was a hugh rewamp, were you much excited for most of the new skills Jobs got? I was not, classes have gotten to the point where they feel complete. Its a mark of honor that FF14 has reached this point, but I also feel like at some point the devs will need to consider alternative forms of progression as well.
To be honest, I hope that both WoW makes a return and that FF14 will expand the game to keep WoW players busy. Its ultimately more healthy for the market, if both games remain in a position to compete against each other and having to take each other seriously. I have quite some issues with FF14, the biggest one is that after Stormblood and Shadowbringers, Endwalker feels quite samey from the first look and there isn't much outside of the story and Reaper that I feel excited about, also issues with tank and healer design. I feel like both games could benefit from just lookg at each other and take more from each other. WoW could learn alot from the writing and delivery of FF14s story, as well as some of the side content. Especially stuff like relic weapons and so on. FF14 on the other hand could take a lesson from WoWs endgame and some of its open world content, also the class design for tank and healer roles. Especially healers are just so much more interesting and fun in WoW. FF14 seems to copy a bit of discipline priest with sage and I think they could take a shit ton of inspiration of how WoW does healers.
See I started 14 years ago bc I was a fan of ffx and my friend enjoyed 14. I’ve done the meme thing myself strictly bc I’ve ENJOYED myself, and it’s solid fun that I think everyone should give a try.
That's the big thing, FFXIV is worth telling people about. Not many games like that are around and even fewer with the audience of FFXIV
Thank you for watching
LETS GO ITS THEDANCING GUY IN LIMSA ON LEVIATHON SERVER PRIMAL DATA CENTER THAT MAN HAS 1980 DAYS WORTH OF PLAY TIME CAUSE HE NEVER LOGS OUT. HE JUST KEEPS DANCING
That's exactly the man, and what in gods name. I didn't know that was the full story of him, that's some deep FFXIV lore right there. Thank you for the fun fact on that absolute mad lad, and impressive spotting him
Been playing FF for three weeks , can’t believe what a great game. I’m a wow refuge , been playing since classic beta . After playing FF just can’t ever go back to wow .. I had no idea square enquix worked with streamers , like .. amazing , engaging the community, I’m blown away by every aspect of this game. Blizzard could use those 4 points , in ten years they have learned nothing , it’s sad , but thank you FF for saveing so many of us !!
Your right that it is really sad to see Blizzard kind of waste all the potential WoW had. I hope they get their stuff together, but like you're now experiencing overall FF does just feel so damn good. Thanks for watching and keep enjoying the MSQ, it's like a TV series with a few seasons out that really grips you but now you're in the queue with everyone else for the next season to release
The HEAD DEVELOPER (out lord and savior, Yoshi-P) will actually go out of his way to do interviews with content creators, especially during media tours before expansions where it's part of the scheduled time. If you watch some of the interactions you can see the type of man that is charge of 14... a man who actively gets excited when someone likes the game, the team is PASSIONATE about it.
Thank you for the video. It is nice to have people like you in the community!
Thank you for watching and the really kind words, it's people like you and the community that give a great reason to keep making these kinds of videos
I'm a RuneScape (main version, not OS) player who's not interested in either FFXIV or WoW; but I think that the shockwave of these changes shall be very impactful to the MMO scenery and can only bring good even to us Scapers. I think it's too early to tell whether WoW has completely lost its position, though, as there are still too many dedicated WoW fans; it's still possible that there'll be a duality with the MMO world polarised between those two dipoles, competing to be the sole winner; or maybe RuneScape will rise to the top again -- you never know ;)
I think the weird thing about trying to determine WoW's placement in the MMO genre these days is it's active playerbase is split between both retail and classic. So they're basically 2v1ing every other game, and it's still looking shaky which is kind of indicative of them not being at the top at least.
And no doubt Runescape has benefited an absolute ton, really, with all the positive press coming around the hardcore stuff in OS I reckon people would have come both into that version and the main one (especially since it's free and FFXIV is a sub model which can get pretty expensive once you clear the free trail).
Thank you for watching, and for the comment
What truly killed WoW was Wow. Its a case example of how entropy kills a game, like Everquest before it. They where more concerned with keeping the wheel spinning despite it falling apart, by adding more and more and more to it. Instead of repairing it or rebuilding a new wheel which Blizzard was more then capable of.
Eventually the wheel rotted and stopped spinning and Blizzard just kept adding more to it anyways.
If it isn't broke don't fix it, if broke fix it, if fixed and it still doesn't work... Time to get a new on.
Exactly on the point, nothing was ever going to kill WoW except for themselves. It's been a slow heat death and hopefully they realise that they're fixes aren't working so that they can rebuild both the dev team and the game. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Shadowlands was quite a massive success when it comes to expansion releases, so I don't feel like WoW entered the expansion in that much of a broken state. Besides controversies, the problem was that after the release of Shadowlands it really showed that covid hit Blizz harder than expected and content was delayed hard and ended up a little bit too much scratched together, also just the general setting of Kothia not being that exciting. If 9.2 hits soon enough, it could be a sign of them being closer at track again and afterwards, we will need to see if they manage to get a comeback with the next expansion. They did it once before, after WoD.
@@shizachan8421 I just realised I may have covered a few points in the prior comment you made, which by the way, thank you for watching and making some very reasonable comments.
I think you're onto something when it comes to Kothia not being too interesting, and I'd probably extend that out to the Shadowlands as a whole. I can't imagine 9.2 is that far away, although there's the big doubt on if there'll be a 9.3 or if they'll go into the next expansion. You're right they managed to pull a miracle after WoD, but good god they'll need to pull something even more special than legion to get out of the funk Shadowlands has put them in
@@shizachan8421 Exactly how are we gauging the ""Success"" of the expansion here? By how many new people it brough into the game??? Shadow Lands didn't do that!
By keeping people who are playing the game involved?
Shadow lands didn't do that either!
By adding more and more trivial chores to distract the devoted people from the fact that the game is a Rotten Corpse that should been buried years ago!
Not even sure if it did that right!
By teasing the idea that Maybe Just MAYBE The Litch King could put Sylvanas in her place. Oh No Shadow Lands didn't do that either!
Like I said before, WoW is a wheel that's so rotten and deteriorated by time and entropy.
Eaten away by its own toxic fan base like termites, it doesn't even spin any more. It's hardly even a freaking wheel at this point. All Blizzard does is slap new shit on it to keep it looking like a wheel. FFkk all if it actually works. Just so long as appears too.
Thay don't care if the game is fun. Thay care if it functions enough to keep you playing and their pockets full of your money.
Keep on with the wishful thinking.
Meanwhile you're praying over a pile of bones that was once the golden cow. Rotten and decayed. Hoping to God it gets over the cancer, when its long sense died from it. Thats how silly people like you and Bellular look. Thats how detached from reality you are.
The golden Cow is NOT Coming back. Its Dead.
My she rest in peace.
@@ozmul5810 "By teasing the idea that Maybe Just MAYBE The Litch King could put Sylvanas in her place."
Okay, that sentence gave off some really creepy incel school shooter vibes, so I probably block you after that reply. And I mean, FF14 is actually incredibly lazy if you think about it. It's fun, but the devs are undeniably unmotivated to expand the game and its content and most of them don't seem to know how the game works, so it basically just lives off Schadenfreude vom WoW haters who, if I look at forums like MMO-champions, seem to correlate with Incels as you prove it and cult-like reverence to Yoshi-P. Yeah, I get it, the guy is charismatic, but he reached the point where he really lead FF14 into stagnation. If you aren't exactly somebody who tries to use FF14 as a second life, the whole gardening feature in Endwalker seems kinda boring and looking at it as somebody who started to play at the end of Heavensward, its basically the same old same old each expansion without anything new to look forward to outside of new classes. And honestly, as much as Island expeditions and Torghast ended up being failures and the borrowed power systems never again reached the artifacts, I take a failed attempt at something new over the same old same old, once I'm done with the story. The story will probably be great again, but outside of that there isn't really anything new to look forwards towards in Endwalker.
And know that Shadowlands started strong because we have the numbers and it was a record breaking release. It had the most day 1 purchases of any PC game so far and during Castle Nathria, Raid Participation was higher than during BfA. I dropped after a hugh content delay, which probably came due to Blizzard not being as covid ready as we thought them to be.
8:30 I recognize those AFKers! Thats my world! Fucking love em.
Honestly lucked out picking Leviathan because god damn that Lominsa atmosphere with those afkers are just top notch. Thank you for watching, and for the comment, very well spotted
Amazing video, incredibly underrated! Love the writing, pacing, editing and everything you said!!
Thank you very much for the kind comment, absolutely makes my day. Hope to keep making content you can enjoy, and to see you on the next vid!
This is the sweetest community I've seen since Warframe. Plus, I didn't think I _could_ enjoy hotbar combat until now.
I joined a few months before the 'big bang', about to become an omnicrafter before endwalker; I couldn't be more hyped right now.
And soon you'll be able to be an omnicrafter right on the cusp of a new expansion which'll be great, cutting edge on the crafting scene!
I am an FFXIV veteran of 6 years and I never played WoW because I never had a PC that could run it. I play on PS4. Its been fascinating to hear about all the things WoW did wrong since from the outside I always thought of it as the King, a great MMO I couldnt play (admittedly with an ugly art style I couldn't stand). Turned out I was already on the best MMO and hearing people say "I could have been in HW but I was playing WoD" makes me grateful I was in HW and glad that they can leave the apparently abusove relationship with Blizzard and come have fun with us
You really did get the better end of that deal. I do think it's actually one of those points of time that in retrospect you can point too as the turning between when FFXIV started to go into the ascendency and WoW into decline on the game quality front. Which is now finally being rewarded with so many coming over to FFXIV to have fun, and it's been great to see most of the community embrace the new wave of sprouts with open arms! Thank you for watching, and for your comment
Same. I'm shocked every time I hear about a thing WoW doesn't do that FFXIV does. I have also played (and eventually gotten frustrated with) ESO and even that one shares a lot on common with FFXIV. I thought of WoW was that good out had to have those features and then some.
I've been playing ffxiv for six years now, (SIX YEARS!! YE GODS!) and I hope that everyone who has moved to Eorzea from WOW is welcomed and made to feel at home. I'm so happy to see so many sprouts everywhere I go! Hells, there's even tons of sprouts at the Hawthorne Hut crystal! Lol
I hope all new players find a home, and friends to help them level and get the most out of the game.
Honestly, throughout the hundreds of comments i've found from veterans and sprouts alike on my videos I've only seen one who's not encounted that really welcoming community that FFXIV is famed for. I'm super excited that I, as well as so many, could come in at such a perfect time to witness the end of the current arc alongside the long-time players such as yourself.
Thank you for watching, and for the comment
That reply of the Nier series account is pretty fun xD
"...a casino that cures gambling addiction."
That was my personal favourite line, thank you for coming by and enjoying it
@@valgardgaming It is a very good line.
On the topic of the mini games, I really want to see if someone could feasibly mod Doom into ffxiv using the Air-Force game
Now that's a wild proposition, I'm sure people could easily already mod in the shotgun sprite as the gun and the floating round boi demons as targets for a doom-skin on the air-force game before even going further
it depends, many mini games (in Gold Saucer) were the actual real games from the original Gold Saucer from Final Fantasy 7, made 23 years ago
@@MelaniAlarcon I didn't actually know that the golden saucer was originally from FFVII, I really need to get myself updated on the overall history of the series as they always seemed so independent of eachother on the surface.
And especially get a ps5 to go through the FFVII remake, that does look incredible
@@valgardgaming the moment you know all the relations your mind will blow XD. Also every FF is actually independent, you are totally right, but FFXIV did connect TONS of the rest of FF games lore (wich FFgames actual dont do). There are cameos, relations to the story of FF3 (the crystal castle and those "clones") the Dragoons, the vieras, the magitek, some of the bosses (The first warrior of light with the horn helmet, is the main protagonist of FF1), some bosses like Cloud of Darkness (she is the main antagonist of FF3), the Clown Kefka (he is the main antagonist of FF6). The Dragoons are actually from ff4 with the all amazing Kain protagonist and Firion or Cecil, i cant remember (he was the actual warrior of darkness), and a veeeery long etc. also YOU MUST play FF7, you will LOVE IT
@@MelaniAlarcon Mother of god I didn't realise it went that deep, I thought the FFXV cross over was pretty neat but the extent of what they'd do. Especially when it comes to the difference between direct reference and inspiration as I definitely knew the magitek has been a pretty common thread across the games but things like the 6.3 Warrior of Light being a direct reference to FF1 is just cool.
I think i'm going to end up moving early next year, so once i'm set-up the ps5 and FF7 will be high on the list to get. Plus now with the channel, I've got an excuse to play games for the content :P
i think the most underrated fact of ffiv id the cross plattform charackter
Honestly yes, it's one of those things to easily forget about as most cross platform games are normally more arcadey kinds of things. Thank you for watching, and for that reminder
I played WoW for about two hours. I've been playing FF14 since Spring 2014. FF14 is winning because of its story and its community. That and the almost religious devotion of its producer.
Well the producer and the team behind him are worthy of that devotion considering how open the communication from them to the audience is, take the recent live letter on the delay of Endwalker. Im pretty sure most people in the FFXIV community were heartbroken seeing Yoshi-P cry more than the delay itself. Add on top they experiment, remove the bad in a timely manner and build on the good over time, it's no wonder that FFXIV as a game really just outpaced WoW. Thank you for watching and for the comment
Hey, whether you like WoW or FFXIV, there really isn’t a need to show hate to either game is there. You can be a hardcore fan to either of them but still be civil.
Both games are enjoyable in their own right.
I like FFXIV in short bursts and it fits my schedule. I drop out of the game when I get burnt out and then jump back in when I’m ready to.
End of the day, play what tickles your fancy.
Ultimately your right that people should just enjoy what they do, and that pure hate is really not-constructive in any debate or arguement but a bit of passion does help make a bit of a point although its a pretty thin line between the two. Thank you for watching, and for your comment
Was the part at 8:20 in the Leviathan server? I'm pretty sure that I recognize the dancing catboy in coeurl bikini and the the naked guy with a chicken head. Also very interesting video! I started playing FF14 when a bunch of WoW creator started playing the game too but I didnt realise how big SE interacted with them. I only knew about the stream sniping ban wave.
You've got a good eye, as that's exactly the server! It's pretty wild how much interaction there's been and especially seen in the media tour where they even got on Asmongold which had that exceptionally human moment with Yoshi-P hoping his mother well. Thank you for watching and for the comment
and the fact that Yoshi-p were one of that mesing around player inthe past
not to mention his experience laying Ultima Online and some old MMO(i think he might also play Runscape), not to mention in some reports he ask all in the team if they had play competitors game specially the king one, was the key of Yoshi-p success. im not praising yoshi-p for FFXIV i praise his way of doing it right
Though I'm not really a huge WOW player before, I did try it but never felt attached to it. Even other MMOs like Ragnarok Online, Rising Force, Perfect World, Atlantica and others. It didn't seem to hold water for me and I don't know why initially. I like Ragnarok Online and Rising Force out of all other because of nostalgia but never sub for it past 3-6 months or so. The closest that I enjoyed MMORPG was SWTOR and I think its purely because it has a solid story. But after that, it took me years to pick-up another MMO because I don't want to invest too much money or time for a game with very limited content and all you will be doing is grind your levels from 1 to 50 or 60 etc. I even didn't touch FFXI or FFXIV initially for fear that it would be the same as the others....and boy I was wrong. Fast-forward to now, I have been playing FFXIV for like 5-6 years now and still doing contents, past-contents, side-quests, getting relic weapons and playing through and getting ready for EW!
In regards to problems and issues, the FFXIV is really fast when it comes to your concerns like when your account gets compromised and all, they replied ASAP. So a big plus for me! And seeing that the Dev team listens to its playerbase, then I'm truly convinced that my money and sub every month is well worth it!
That's an excellent story and I think highlights a lot of peoples journeys into Final Fantasy 14 as it is a very unique MMORPG experience. Which I think comes down primarily to your last point that the Dev team and their support staff like the GM's are really just on the ball, it's a pretty big anomoly to have a game director as loved as Yoshi-P. Thank you for watching, and again, for your story
i cant speak for all gamers only myself. i came to ff14 last december from runescape. my gf at the timemade me spend 80 on shadowbringers so i could play it with her and she forced me through all the cutscenes, didnt let me play my preferred class, teach me anything, or go at my own pace. turns out she wanted me to pick up scholar to i would heal for her (ffs at least chose a GOOD healer like whm) sop naturally i hated it. than last december i needed a break from runescape and tried it again with an open mind and i was so engrossed by the story, gameplay, classes, characters, landscapes, literally everything, its now all i play. i got no intention of going anywhere anytime soon. eorzea is my home now. ive only played about 11 months and i have 4k total hours of playtime and my main char has 139 days 22 hours 49 minutes.
That's an absolutely horrendous story, im glad your out of that relationship and from what I can tell in a much better place. I don't think anyone can enjoy anything when your forced to do it, so i'm glad that you were able to give FFXIV a fair go of your own free will and actually enjoy it. Thank you for watching, and for telling your story
It's a bit sad, that WoW developers are now calling Preachlfw a Bad Actor. Though that was around the time he quit World of Warcraft.
The WoW dev team really seemed to systematically push away every content creator they had covering their game, there aren't any really big channels left looking at Blizz and WoW. Although that may be intentional to stop alot of the bad press as not many people have a lot of good things to say about Blizz, but in the long term all those communities have followed those guys elsewhere and likely won't return. With naturally FFXIV being one of the biggest benficaries in terms of players and content.
Thank you for watching and for your mini-binge of my vids
For the past 2-3 years whenever you see a list of the top 5 MMO's, it's pretty mcuh the same ones, Wow at 1, followed by Guild Wars 2. Final Fantasy XIV, ESO and the last spot is usually either Runscape or Black Desert Online and I'd pick BDO as it seems to have more players anytime you log in and there's more UA-cam material being posted on it. I think most of the mentions about Runscape is due to nostalgia.
Even now though I dont think the list has really changed although I'd bet that FFXIV has jumped to second place after the last big jump in players. I think the most telling thing is that in the background the actual difference between those places has shrunk significantly and that WoW's total would be both classic and retail. So without proper figures it hard to tell these days
Thank you for the comment and for watching
A word if caution about SE. They treat FF14 right but they are still a corporation and act that way. FFBE for example is massively predatory: content is cut for the global version if it helps the player too much, rewards are reduced or handed out in log in rather than lump sums, the developers lie or don't communicate at all. Part of this is the company that runs it for SE, Gumi, but a large part of it comes from SE itself and even if it wasn't they could put a stop to it. And it has little to do with being a gacha: both FFRK and Dissidia aren't run that predatory.
I think Square Enix works really well for Final Fantasy 14 because they do let Yoshida just kind of run the show without much interference, I think they've learnt thats just best for their business. As ultimately your right they are a corporation and even other games they do like the recent Marvel ones haven't exactly panned out great for the audience. One day I'll do a 'Can you trust them' on Square Enix and I think you've made a couple of notes that'll have to go on that script, but for now thank you for watching and for your comment
@@valgardgaming here's an example. We had our 5 year global anniversary celebration in July. Pretty impressive for a mobile game. There was a big campaign with lots of great stuff exclusively for new players. But to celebrate the vets who kept at it daily? Nothing. People waited to see if they'd announce something. They didn't. The non-casual player base exploded in a typical internet riot. The Devs finally released an apology letter and gave vets 150 free summons.... which had no guarantees so if you were unlucky you got nothing for being a vet. A clear sign that in an anniversary celebration they'd had no plans to thank the people who'd been there from the start. Even aside the personal as a business decision I find it baffling.
Well enough. Already gone on too long. But Creative Business Unit 4 is in charge of the mobile titles. FF14 and Yoshi-P head up CBU3.
@@specialnewb9821 God damn, I hadnt been keeping up with the mobile game but surviving 5 years is damn impressive. For some reason I swear all corporate entities when they get into the mobile market think they can just bone their fans as if I recall something very similar happened with Genshin impact. Its incredible, especially for gatcha-esc kind of games.
But thank you for your really insightful comment, this is gold
This would happen if they take away the dev team's autonomy which is helped by the fact that Yoshi-P is on the board of directors of the company. That's why the mogstation exists basically, it was a compromise to allow no interference which was a good chunk of why 1.0 was so awful (on top of a LOT of other issues).
I used to play WoW back in the day but quit around WotLK, however I got the urge to go back to I did in BFA and I was shocked at the state of the game;
I had a fraction of abilities that I used to have.
- Talents didn't feel as impactful.
- cities were dead.
- had no need to talk to people - the only time I had a decent convo with someone was randomly when we were fishing in the same spot.
I did play classic and I loved it but then Blizzard did something which i couldn't support and they keep stepping in it. so at this point I can't support Blizzard.
Then I thought I'd give the FFXIV trial ago and it sold me before I got to Heavensward (just doing ARR content cleanup) but it feels like an MMO. I see people in the world and chat isn't dead, while there are some thing's I'm not a huge fan of but willing to put it down to personal preference.
I think at this point that WoW is basically just all about the hardcore, competitive endgame and if you're not all about that then you're not going to survive all the really lacking MMO features. Like you said, the very few people in the world or just not chats at all. You're certainly not alone in not supporting blizzard as well, especially after Bobby Koticks recent exposure. They just keep pushing people away.
Thank you for watching, and hope you keep enjoying FFXIV. If you're closing in on Heavensward you're truly in for a treat!
'It's become a casino that CURES gambling addiction'
holy fuck that was savage
Honestly was so happy when I came up with that, thank you for watching and highlighting my personally favourite line
pretty well-reasoned video -- and someone's a black eagles fan, i see!
Thank you, i'm glad you enjoyed it! And I wish I could claim any black eagle references were totally intentional but unfortunately not. Thank you again for watching and for the comment
@@valgardgaming wait. you're telling me Petra Nabataean wasn't a reference on purpose? that's extremely funny
@@bogbody6128 So I randomly name generated a couple of time and one of them was Petra, so not knowing what surname to do I decided to google maps Petra (the famous historical site in Jordan) and down the road was a place named Nabatean. That's how I got there myself, so that's one hell of a coincidence
after over 400 hours played on lostark i havent been on FF14 since..i just cant get myself to play it again.
Love how you did Afrasiabi as the one grabbing a woman XD
Thank you for being the first the notice (and comment), this single comment justifies all the time I making that image haha
@@valgardgaming I'm a sucker for dark humour, what can I say?
I think part of the appeal of FF14 is that it's got a great track record. Switching to a new MMO is a big investment, and it's scary to bet your livelihood on an MMO that may simply go down the same path as WoW (or never even get that far). FF14, on the other hand, has consistently shown its continuous improvements, quality, and respecting (and acting on) player feedback over the course of YEARS. That makes it a safe bet to try--because you can feel safe knowing that the MMO you're getting invested into isn't a potential dud.
I'd say you're 100% correct on all counts, then how they treated and very quickly reacted to the influx of players really solidified in alot of peoples minds that they really did make that correct choice. I feel there is a difference between seeing a great track record and feeling the effects of it. Just their little gestures of even apologising for the queues and server issues I think was enough to really show in peoples heads that the devs cared. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
How are they allowed to listen to their players, filter the trolls out and take the serious majority by heart?
Then on top they play their own game and have a feel for whats what as both dev and playerside.
Then they try to make the game fun... FUN!!! Amazon showed us that games should involve endless grind repetition and taxes!
And then they also work during work hours and don't drink and harass co-workers.
These practices are completely unfair to the other game studios (hello snowstorm, ubisoft,...) and should not be allowed.
So unfair... 😂🤣😂🤣
I've been playing since 2013 with arr from the start glad I never went back to wow I think 2013 was wod in wow
Looking back WoD was probably the first mini-exodus of WoW players with both ARR releasing and WoD being the first major expansion to really just fall short. Thank you for watching
Well, thanks for Square to invest so much marketing with Final Fantasy 7at the time in 1997, the Final Fantasy franchise became so popular around the world
And then for the decision to make FFXIV a main franchise title as I know before they released in 2010 there was a bit of debate on how to approach it. Thank you for watching!
@@valgardgaming well they had made FFXI before XIV and many told me it was (and still is) pretty good too
@@MelaniAlarcon Very true, so maybe the issue would have been if they were going to have two MMO's. As double checked, your right that it's still going and being developed which is absolutely wild considering that came out even before WoW
@@valgardgaming yes and also FF11 it was and still is a very good MMO with a good story (all Final Fantasy games have amazing and innmersive stories with great characters and music). It didnt have the problems XIV had. The problem is that the director of FF11 couldnt do his job 100% right with FF14, (it was because of the new engine problems). Here is a funny video explaining it: ua-cam.com/video/aWIrju3F6nU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TruebladeSeeker
@@MelaniAlarcon I haven't really heard anything bad about FF11, especially about the story as your 100% that Final Fantasy has always been so story focused that you pretty much always expect a high quality for it. It's just been eclipsed at this point by FFXIV now it's gotten off it's feet. Although wish I knew that tid bit about the original development as the next vid is going to be about 1.0 and just knew the dev team wasn't up to snuff for it
I remember seeing that video I think from the Asmon reaction to it, and it continues to be such a good meme.
I was debating whether to play WoW or FFXIV, doing research and stuff. A lot of people said FFXIV is better, but a lot also said that WoW is better (most arguments saying FFXIV raids aren't as good). You know what got me to pick FFXIV?
*Titania's trial.* That was it. That's all it took. It was the best choice I've ever made. I'm so glad I picked FFXIV.
From what i've seen the best way to think about it is that WoW's raiding/dungeons is better than FFXIV only in the high end scene. If you want to do high stress, time-trail mythics or very challenging raids then WoW is your go. The problem is that the rest of WoW isn't great.
Whereas FFXIV, the raids and trials are really solid. Titania is a marvellous fight, but you've got some where you're thrown up in the air and halo jump to avoid flak from a giant tiger dude. The spectical and solid mechanics of FFXIV are marvellous and then it has the rest of the game to actually back it up so you're not just focused on that raiding.
I reckon you made an excellent choice, especially as a new player as FFXIV is way more new player friendly. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Good video. 👍
You hit on some good points, but missed out on a lot. Like the cadence by which FFXIV brings out new content, they don't invalidate content and everything is part of the game, the game was built around scaling and there is little reason to role alts. Then there is the story, which is cohesive and compelling. Generally sky beams doesn't fix the problem and there is a lot of underlying lore mechanics in place which you live through. Your character at times has choice, and though it's a faux choice it really makes you feel like you are part of the group.
To go through everything would make this one of the truly epicly sized videos as your right on all the points your making that they really do beat the competition. Although in hindsight I wish I really hit that content cadence point as although they're not as big as WoW patches they're both still very substantial and well timed. So really overall your getting more content over the course of a year than you would in modern WoW
Thank you for watching
@@valgardgaming no worries, great vid.
I don't see this happening for long, and I hope it doesn't come to pass. But there is one thing that can make the fans leave. It doesn't matter from where the company is from, Japan or America.
All it would take for the fans to leave is for Square-Enix to be engulfed in a serious controversy based on their decisions, most likely involving toxic workplace environment, one that is engulfing Blizzard right now and has once torn Konami (Japanese company right here), or just its reputation, into pieces. That is the one thing that the fandom is absolutely aghast with. Let's hope Square-Enix never falls into that hole, with all those cautionary tales scattered around them. (They have once failed big time with the Avengers, but even they bounced back on that since there wasn't such big controversy)
But I believe that with Yoshi-P at helm and the good principles he held steadfast affecting the company, it wouldn't happen.
Something tells me that even if something were you to come out like that about Square Enix that the Final Fantasy XIV team under Yoshi-P may be a bit more isolated which would definately help the community cope with such a loss of reputation. Then again, with all the cautionary tales and all the build up for the past few years even if there were such issues you'd hope they'd be investing in mitigation because the costs of not doing it are way to high
can we forget WoW exists already? It's really holding ff14 discussion back. ff14 has its own problems but cause WoW is so shit we ignore it.
I'll start by saying you are right, Final Fantasy 14 naturally isn't perfect and there should be plenty of discussion dedicated purely to those topics. As of this video 2 months ago, and even a bit now, I think it's a case of old WoW players who either have tried their hand at content creation or those content creators who moved into the FFXIV space are kind of de-toxing themselves of WoW. You don't spend 10+ years of your life playing a game without naturally framing new experiences into that, as the honeymoon period starts to end and normalcy returns I think you'll see a couple of those issues addressed more earnestly.
I know I'm starting to develop a couple of ideas myself, although if you have any suggestions for FFXIV issues you'd want to see covered please let me know. I still feel like, even after finishing the MSQ, that I've only scratched the surface so some issues long term players can see I may not have even come across yet.
Thank you for watching
"Blizzard, here are the things you have to fix to make your game, reputation and future better. I love you btw"
BANNED
Hit the nail on the head. Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, and i'll just ignore the fact that 95% of people are disagreeing with me.
Thank you for watching a couple of my videos, and again for the comment
"will they stay?" well I joined during the surge and am still here, 5k hours on one character.
not alone on this but the FINAL straw was WoW's sexual assult issues that pushed me away from blizzard forever
You really aren't alone on that, I think the dam was starting to burst from WoW into FFXIV before the suits became public but the second they were announced. That dam just blew wide open.
Thank you for watching, and for the comment
Downside its about £100 a year to get the content, that's includes the monthly subscription as well as the cost of their paid expansions.
Game itself is decent but expensive.
It really is, and in a way the subscription model for monetisation is pretty old at this point. Although, I'd rather them do what they're doing currently than relying on the cash-shop as thats when it starts getting pushed in your face.
Thank you for watching
Well, if you want to be very frugal , you could just spend 2-3 months a year for the content. that rounds it down to 40-50£.
The developers have stated you are not require to subscribe all the time. Play other games and come back when you want.
It isn't even a fair fight, world of warcraft is a fragile old man and final fantasy xiv is a strapping young lad
I don't think WoW is a fragile old man, I think it's more akin to a king who got way to fat and out of practice at fighting trying to duel a samuari who's spent a decade training and working on himself. WoW still has a great manpower and budget pool to draw on than FFXIV but they use it incredibly poorly and almost self-servingly
People forget to add: "we hope that" before. Wow is not dead gone yet. I am playing both, WoW endgame is funnier and smoother, so hope to see a good competition in the next future.
You're definately right that WoW isn't dead, nor will it likely ever really die. The other MMO's I mentioned have been surviving just fine with smaller player bases. I would say that what 'died' was that pedestal alot of people held WoW up on seperate to other MMOs, which now they're on more equal footing hopefully they truly embrace the competition and do some good stuff. (Well good stuff first time, patch 9.1.5 is all great but way to late)
Thanks for watching and commenting
@@valgardgaming I agree with your video and your reply, WoW is no more king. FFXIV has taken a good advantage and this is great for the community. Developers of other companies can have hope again and people have more offer, competion can motivate studios to invest and experiment, unlike Blizzard-Activision did over the last decade. I would like to see more games coming out of the pack: ESO, The new world could help the gaming community aswell
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The only reason why WoW lost me was because I got older and have more responsibilities and altogether just better things to do then to sit around playing an mmorph. FFXIV was never an option for me.
I've been playing thi game for like 1500 hours. There's an RTS in this game?
More or less an RTS, I'm refering to Lords of Vermillion on the second floor of the Golden Saucer where you use your collected minions to battle either NPC's or other players
Thank you for watching and for the comment!
Yeah sounds about right about FFxiv and wow.
also there has only been 1 king from wow..
lich king.... "Long live the king"
FF14 needs more stuff to do in endgame..they need alot more to do like lostark has.
Blizzard lost it's soul when the merged with Activision. Blizzard went from a gaming company to a quarterly stock company.
You've certainly got a point, and all that old guard which made the games that we loved so much have basically all moved on at this stage. I can't think of any names left now that Jeff Kaplan has finally departed after all the shenanigans with Overwatch. Being said though, looking at those reports, I'm wondering if Activision is starting to think if maybe Blizzard wasn't as good an investment as it looked back when it had a soul and independence.
ff didnt won, just went up by default after wow killed itself..
WoW really did decide to kill itself, but FF did win out against all the other MMO's to become where all the WoW refugee's went
It did win because it was their number one choice for WOW refugees. They could have went to any other game.
FF14 offered a fun gaming experience. As a former WoW player (until August 31, 2021), I can say that WoW had begun to feel like a frustrating part time job and stopped being fun (at least for me). FF14 has been a wonderful experience so far… which caused me to buy the expansions that are currently out. I’m encouraging my friends from WoW to give it a try.
@@BewareOfStupidity don't forgot to ask if they know FF14's got a free trial that includes the base game and the critically acclaimed expansion, Heavensward, with no time restrictions!
WoW killed itself. FF was just there to loot the corpse lol
NO reason you can't play both. There are things I can't stand in both games and things I love in both. It seems people think you can't play and enjoy both.
Youre 100% right that you can and in fact I do it myself between WoW raiding and then just the FFXIV story.
I think the big issue is the average gamer only has roughly 6 hours of time a week to play in between responsibilities which makes splitting time between two games (especially MMO's) difficult. So if you have to choose then alot of people are going to favour FF's chiller vibe and less grind, or at least less necessary feeling grind.
WoW killed itself. Blizzard kept focusing on profits instead of fun, slowly hemorrhaging until the lawsuit dealt the killing blow.
God yeah, Blizzard feel into this trap of building the game around the wrong metrics and well here we are. FFXIV was just around to pick up the lions share of pieces for a lot of people. Thank you for watching, and commenting
I do agree FF is winning. But I would also like to point a slight disagreement. ESO had been doing better than WOW for a while. In fact the only reason I think ppl held only WOW being top dog for so long, was simple nostalgia or thats just the way it was for so long. ESO has been racking in the subs and growing. Not until this last year did they start taking hits. And FF has grown like 30% this last year. So I do agree its winning, but ESO was by no means a "niche" game. It has had over 5 million subs for most of its time out there.
I think your right that WoW was ontop more for nostalgia and to build on that point, because of the sunk-cost fallacy which is what makes the dramatic break of players so impressive earlier this year. I certainly knew that ESO is still going strong (although didn't know it was *that* strong), the use of 'niche' was more of a dramatic statement to highlight how much WoW had just dominated in the gaming public consciousness for so long which is no longer the case.
Thank you watching and for highlighting just how good ESO is running, I really do need to jump in and give it another go, especially now I have the excuse that I can make a video on it
No - "Enix company" was back then, more like a Investor/Yacht Club (Yes, back then - they built Yachts)/and ALSO a Real Estate Company(!).
And First name of Square - was actuall not a just "Square", but a "SQUARE Soft" (You can find it (that name of the Company) on NES/Famicom Cartridges of Final Fantasy).
Fun Fact - SEGA now, is a subsidiary too, of Maternal Company called "Sega Sammy Holdings" Corporation. Where, is Sega - is just Main Sega and makes games, and a Sammy Company - it is was a company which works always everywhere, but main profit of them - was pachislot machines and casinos (Konami, Blizzard Activision, and Atari (Recent Atari) says hello. Even by the same company hierarchy, lol)
And the Actual Good quotation from WarCraft is gonna be - "Arthas, Kings don't rule forever, my son...". Pretty ironic in the end.
Well Wikipedia lied to me then haha, although I do know they weren't both exclusively gaming companies. And I was tempted to end on that quote, but felt like the one I used (which is more a reference to real monarchy than gaming) was to indicate the shift in the market from one game to another than simply WoW just not being on top. Although in hindsight that may have been better, either way, thank you for watching and for the comment
I hope the biggest legacy of the WoW/FF14 thing is that developers realize they need to stop exploiting players. We keep talking about EA but people keep buying. Maybe now things will change since people are starting to look elsewhere.
I think that all of this will serve as a cautionary tale, at least in Blizzard to what happens when your actively try to do the opposite of what your audience says. The dumb thing is, even at it's most basic level, they're failing capitalism 101 where you sell people what they want. At least in the EA example, they're selling something people want and they know what they'll get because it's the same game over and over
i just cant get into FF14, im an advocate story skipper. I skip all cutscenes even in warcraft. Im just turned off on reading paragraphs of quests and tons of cutscenes. I tried but cant stand it. (Just tell me where to go what to kill to gain experience to do dungeons and raid)
Which is a totally valid way to play, hell in your case I'd even recommend the FFXIV boost to skip all of it considering just how much time the story really takes. Then you can go through all the trail bosses at your leisure
FFXIV has catgirls.
And like Yoshi P said: Fun comes first. And thats what made FFXIV win the fight against WoW
I can't get over the visuals and artistic style, so I won't be found anywhere near Final Fantasy. But that don't mean I will play WoW either.
There are so many other games I can play, other genres... I can even watch shows.
The last straw from WoW for me personally was the censorship of jokes and flirts. Because it not only changes history (changing the text and meaning of many of WoW's old historical quests), it proves beyond shadow of a doubt that WoW is run by rampant woke cultists. The language they use to justify this censorship is the same language you hear from any other industry these leaches destroyed. And when they do this universally hated decision in the times when WoW is in its lowest, then it's obvious they don't care about the players, they only care about the ideology. Instead of trying to save the IP and save the game, they abused this recent lawsuit to eliminate all resistance to their agenda. Since they did this now despite they have ton of real problems to solve, it is obvious that they will comply with the woke mafia demands even if WoW supposedly recovers in the future.
And this sentiment will not only affect jokes, it will most importantly affect the story. If you hated the WoW's story now, prepare for the future, because it's gonna get wild. There is no woke story that is good.
And for those who don't follow the story at all, like Preach and his viewers... having woke cultists in charge of the game development isn't good for you either. Because woke philosphy claims that gaming is a toxic masculine culture that promotes sexism, and thus it needs to be fundamentally overhauled. That in turn means that they should stop listening to the feedback, because nearly all of the negative feedback comes from "men". So whatever stupid grindy systems they introduce are here to stay. If you complain, you are a toxic troll.
Woke philosophy also says that it doesn't matter if something is popular, and that it being popular doesn't mean it's good. Which ultimately results in companies pushing failing products, and when those products fail, they push them even harder. It's because the important thing isn't to make the product sell, it's to "put the product out there". By being "out there", it will over time gain reputation. Even if the reputation is hate-clicks, this reputation is then used as fame (Q-score). Companies later use this Q-score to sell characters or IPs to you. It's a cancerous practice, and I can no longer support it.
I don't think anyone can truly blame you, it's very final fantasy in its aesthetic which is can be such a hit or miss with alot of people. Thank god your right there is plenty out there to enjoy and glad you have found what you do.
While I'm going to avoid talking politics as much as I can because that always becomes a mess. I think the very core of your point is really solid, that the WoW team care only about making decisions for themselves without any consideration for the game or for the audience at large. The results of which for the games health should by now be apparent to them but they continue to be blind to it so stopping support is the only true way to hopefully effect change. If not, well, like you said, there is already plenty of games out there to play
@@valgardgaming Trying to stay away from politics was a viable choice few years ago. But it's increasingly not possible. The paradox of staying out of politics is that woke cultists claim everything is political, so you staying out of it is a political stance to them. And every company, organization or community that isn't explicitly against their politics WILL eventually implement their politics.
Escaping to Final Fantasy is an easy choice to make because Japan is still resistant to woke culture. But even that is changing. So the day may come when the devs of Final Fantasy will need to take a stance. If they choose not to take a stance, they will be consumed. If they choose to take a stance, they will be vilified. If not enough people take a stance, they will be destroyed.
@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ In the long term it has become very difficult (if not like you said impossbile) to stay out of any political discussion, as ultimately you'll say something quasi political, especially on stream when its more freeform and someone will jump on it either side of the spectrum.
So being apolitical and neutral till forced is still the way to go in my eyes, a classic Switzerland manoeuvre.
weird. I'd argue all the changes wow has done is on some draconian puritanical christian shit. what's "woke" about telling women hey you need to cover up, and if you don't, you can't complain about being objectified. That's like the opposite of the most caricatured woke feminist you can think of. Wouldn't the "woke feminist" position be that woman should be able to do and "get away with" whatever men can? Women cover up, men carry on as usual seems the exact opposite of whatever woke agenda you think is at play here. Idk any "woke leftist sjw feminist" who hold the position that women need to humble themselves and cover up. that sounds more like something you'd expect an incel or something with socially conservatives views to say.
@@bryson8918 Because "Woke" used to mean progressive 15 years ago. It was woke for gay people to get married, it was woke to have an accomplished woman in charge. It was woke to create equality.
Today woke is regressive. Showing the female body nurtures the male gaze and is bad, naked women and beautiful women will offend ugly women so they should be censored. Companies should not hire based on merit but based on diversity quotas.
Women should be in charge whether they're accomplished or not. Straight men are particularly bad and are always racist and always white supremacist, etc.
It's a toxic ideology that is creeping into a lot of media and infesting it.
Look at how women look in a lot of western media recently. Forexample look at Diablo 2 Resurrected's Amazon.
I stand by equality for both genders and all races.
I am against Critical race theory, and against equity, diversity quotas, and censorship.
Blizzard have been going off the deep end recently.
I really wouldn't say it "won." truth be told i'd be happy to have a bunch of mmos that are really big and good to play. WOW dying is really more sad than anything, IMO.
Your right that won is going a bit far, it's more than they benefited emensely from WoW's woe's.
And honestly, I don't even think thats opinion, it's more or less just straight fact. Most people I've talked to find it just such a sad downfall. People loved the game and so many have stories from their time in Azeroth, which makes the realisation its not a good game anymore all the more painful
Its just better. And the community is mostly non toxic
I think it is always important to mention 'mostly', I think that the FFXIV fanbase is also a bit more realistic on average about the quality of the game. Which is pretty easy considering it's fairly consistently solid
@@valgardgaming i say mostly cuz in ff i was subjected to toxicity once lol. But when i used to olay wow it was a lot
i think ppl are wrong in the way to think FF14 win over wow . Yoshida and FF14 doesn't look to "win" , they make their way , no more no less , the dev team upgrade the game expansion after expansion , adding content progressivly . Yes the decline of wow is here to remember them what could happen if they make a mess but i don't think they want to goal the same Everest that wow was
You're very right, and it's not like WoW is dead or that FFXIV was the one to kill it. WoW has been declining in quality while, as you said, FFXIV has been slowly increasing over the many years. While very dramatic, the 'Win' in this case comes in two forms. That FFXIV got the majority of ex-wow players and that it's getting the recognition it deserves.
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You forgot mahjong, there is a well known mahjong player who plays mahjong on ff14 just because that's where his fans are. Nothing else in the game... just mahjong.
The reason why FF14 was so well hidden all these years is that WoW players were so invested that a lot of them were really uninterested in playing another MMO and even if they did they would do it with the WoW mindset of skipping to endgame as quickly as possible which is a design choice not shared by these other MMOs. FF14 has managed to finally break that ilusion cloak and free MMO players from that WoW mindset, to try new games and have fun as their main incentive which is amazing because this ilusion has been crafter by some people for over 15 years
In the end, I don't think it was FF14 that broke the spell of WoW, it was WoW itself. After the hit and miss expansion cycle, they finally had a miss then just, bigger miss. FF14 was just a career fireman who was there at the bottom of the burning building helping catch all the people who decided that 'it wasn't fine' anymore. But your right about the WoW mindset too, took me awhile to change over when I first started playing but thankfully not to hard once you get into the rythem of it
@@valgardgaming The thing is that only after years of suffering did the WoW players seek out other games and imagine that if intead of playing FF14 they would play New World per example. Added with the fact that they are very defensive about trying other MMOs in the first place they could have just gone back to WoW and never tried anything again for a long time or just quit MMOs in general. But FF14 is just a really good game so of course they are going to stick arround and most of them just switch games. There could even be a debate for if FF14 currently is better than peak WoW in TBC or WotLK (even if I think its a bad comparison because as many people said before they are entirely different games)
I wouldnt generalize it like that, but a certain mindset was also a big thing for me. Because WoW with its design philosophy is just ridiculously time consuming (if you want to play on a high level) and glues you to this game. To raid mythic (savage), there were so many extra systems and things to do to stay competitive - and those systems werent even fun for me. It felt like a second job, a list of chores, just to play the actual content I wanted to play. It is a must to log in x amounts of times a week and farm y amounts of shit once new content hits, else you would fall behind. Trying ff14 now and there is nothing like that. I can do whatever I want. It's so refreshing!
Yea it was bound to happen blizzard could only lie about WoW being the best for so long until people caught on. Ffxi was better than wow for its entire life cycle and 14 picked it back up at ARR
I’d argue that ff14 was set to win before the free trial added heaven award I joined the game a few months before that and everyone I met were wow refugees who told me not to bother trying wow because ff14 is just a better game
I think your right that it was always going to keep growing and succeding but that extra bit of free trail really just helped push the FFXIV case for all the evangelists. If you were interested in really competitive, high-end pvp and pve then WoW would be the game for you, but for everything else then Final Fantasy 14 is just so dramatically better that it's redicious at this point. Thank you for watching
tldw is the community is far less toxic and the devs actually play and care for the game. thats my understanding
What Blizzard has done to WoW's story is akin to having a 7 year old boy with severe ADHD come up with the overall plot and new lore (retcon fully allowed) and then having a bunch of 60 year old virgins who still watch kids' cartoons all the time flesh out the details.
Vanilla Alpha - Hey what should the world be called? AZEROTH! ...but that's the name of a kingdo-- AZEROTH! No, the main kingdom in the southern part o-- AZEROTH!!! ...ok fine.
MoP - Hey, panda man was cool in WC3, let's do him for next expansion! Yeah, whole continent! Oh quick, throw in old god something so it relates to literally anything else!
WoD - Hey guys, i found an old WC2 manual, look at all these orc factions! Oh cool, let's do that for the next one! Buy how, they're all dead...? Everyone's favorite stupid illogical narrative device - time travel! ...mixed with alternate universe travel!
Legion - BRRRTTTTT PEW PEW BZZZZRRRRRR man, demons are kinda cool, let's bring back them! Ok but this is the last time, I'm tired of playing demons, so let's just rush through the entire second half of the story that's been building since WC1 and get it out of the way.
BfA - So have you guys seen Celestials in those marvel comics? Let's do that but with titans and Azeroth, we can make a dwarf say "AUUCH, CHAMPION" 500000 times, too, and sorta talk to the planet and also I like boats and water stuff.
SL - I saw a cool special effect where the sky shattered like glass! WHOA COOL! Yeah, let's make them do that. Also I just watched Avengers again so let's do an infinity gauntlet with the stones! Ok but mom said copyright infringement is bad so we gotta do it different! That's ok, we can do a bunch of different places where the stones are like in the movies but just make them our normal aesthetics we've used 500 times.
Probably wouldn't go that far myself, but the fact that I can see where your coming from is a big enough indicator of how poor Blizzards writing has been. Just sit down and make a plan for the story, it's really not that hard, otherwise you do end up with that 'what are we going to do next?' end of each expansion or 'Shadowlands will bring people back, we'll get those player numbers!' kind of deal. Thank you for watching, and love the Chamber of Understanding profile pic, kind of adds to your arguement
Wow took 11 months for a content patch. Then the devs more or less stated screw off we're censoring what we want.
Hey, hey, hey, it only took them 8 months for the content patch (9.1 in late June). It took them 11 months to fix all the trash systems everyone knew were trash since Shadowlands beta. And the devs really are just self-agrandising at this point which is a damn shame, but regardless, thank you for watching
Ive player several mmos. FF14 is 100% the best. But thats my opinion
I don't want to play world of warcraft, I want to play in the warcraft world but a better game and I'm really sad that i probably never will.
That's a brilliant way of phrasing it and your right that it's likely never going to be that kind of game. The only time it'll become that kind of game is if they pull a realm reborn and basically make WoW 2 with more modern design.
Thank you for having a small binge of my videos today and all the comments you've left, I really do appreciate it
I know I’m gonna sound like a blizzard simp
But with everyone praising this game and it’s community, my personal experience makes it come off as a cult. Absolutely loved ARR but everything afterward got slower and more tedious. Best thing I can say about ShBr was I liked the ambiance and aesthetic, that’s it. Constantly hearing “play what you want” only to hear after months that I can’t play that class because there’s already a Shield Healer. “Oh you wanted to raid with us? Our FC doesn’t raid. Sorry!” “I have a static you can join- Oh wait, sorry we’re full now!” “There’s too many damn sprouts, go back to your dying game if you don’t know mechanics!” I’m tired of it all. I gave this game a chance because my friends play it and I enjoyed it at first, but the community drew me away. I don’t know if people just got tired of the massive amount of sprouts or if their friendly façades finally broke but I can’t stand it anymore. I stopped enjoying WoW as a game years ago but stayed for the community and friends I made in it, that’s the only reason I keep going back.
I'm an avid FF14 player, but I'm perfectly okay with your response, and can understand what you mean. A community means a lot in an online game, and if what you find in WoW appeals more to you, then feel free to give FF14 a pass. Make sure to spend your time in a way where it brings you joy, and you have to find that place based on how you feel personally, and not what others tell you :)
FarelForever hits the nail on the head, as almost unsurprisingly community and other players have a drastic effect on anyones enjoyment of an MMO. While ultimately its disappointing you came across those people as of course they exist, despite what a lot of people do say FFXIV isn't perfect, you gave it an honest go and I think that's all you can ever do. Thank you both for watching, commenting and i'm glad you found the game you can enjoy Yukon
well tbf ff14 didnt even have to do anything. blizzard did not only shoot themselfs in the foot, they threw every explosive known to mankind on their foot while stabbing themselfs in the leg multiple times
Honestly, despite how graphic that it is, it still feels like an under-statement. But yes, FFXIV didn't kill WoW or anything that drastic, it just managed to attract the lions share of the refugees post-WoW which is still hell of a victory considering the current active player reports
@@valgardgaming amen to that, wanted to get into ff14 but the gcd is just to big having played guild wars2 and wow before. playing as a caster was fine though, cast times are apperently better than gcd to my smooth brain
@@Moffattt Oh yeah, going between wow classic and FFXIV is really strange on the gcd. I wish FFXIV would add in more of the abilities you weave in between each gcd earlier as that becomes really fun although I suppose you can just switch to a caster who all look dope as.
Because Blizzard decided to do something below players' expectations in both fun and lore. Sadoland is weak in elements that attract and keep players, which after so much grind, RNG and timegate done to keep the player playing like a machine, has caused more and more players to hemorrhage. Sadoland just makes us waste our time with the game and not with us wanting to enjoy our time with the game.
I think that's exactly right, and all that grinding is only good if you really want to do the competitive end-game stuff like mythics. If you don't want to though, there really isn't anything else in the game for you to do.
I can answer the question in the title easily. FF14 is better than wow in every possible way, that's why.
Almost every way, you could give retail some credit for high-end competitve pve & pvp, but even then Yoshi-P hinted at some pve stuff coming sometime soon, so potentially won't be able to give them that. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
It was never a competition blizzard killed themselves n are continuing to do so
I think its a competition as they're in the same market and not some big direct rival competition like Adidas and Puma, although 100% agree with you on the Blizzard killing themselves slowly point. Thank you for watching and for the comment
Yeah, when people can keep glitching and exploiting bugs in the game to kill people in open world pvp and Blizz does exactly jack and shit even with video evidence and people actively streaming their exploits, it shows that thesy don't care.
Call me bitter and a butt, but I'm still keenly aware of a sizeable chunk of the WoW player base who up until recently would call FFXiV weeb trash.
Same people coming over and behaving like FFXiV is the best game and wow is trash and etc, completely not owning up to the fact they smacked talk the hell out of a really well made game with a great community cause its not WoW.
Yeah that bothers me. Do I eant to keep out the wow refugees? No of course not. More the merrier. Just let's not pretend how a decent sum of wow players mocked this game for stupid reasons instead of giving it a go.
From what I've seen, most people have kind of admitted 'yeah I believed the sterotype and then actually it was amazing' and I'll be honest i'm surprised you feel more bitter than vindicated as you were ultimately right that FFXIV was a great game really deserving of all the praise and playbase that it's been receiving since the WoW exodus.
Thank you for watching and for your perspective on the exodus
It was never a competition to begin with lmao
There wasn't any direct rivalries of anything like that, but there is always natural market competition just being in the same genre
@@valgardgaming I am implying many many many things with my statement lol
FFXIV is the only game mentioned that does not have an IN-GAME cash shop =P just sayin
And the actual process of buying stuff from the mogstation is a bit of a pain, so you've got so many chances to back out but you never do cause they're worth the money. Thank you for watching, and for the comment
You ticked off a list of new stuff, but FF allows players to go back to any point of the lore and still play it. It definitely is not the same as the original content, but it has enough challenge and FUN to engage players. WoW killed itself back in 2005, when it ignored its horribly toxic community. Forums didn't matter, and streams were still a distant dream. FF is definitely the right game / right time currently, but make no mistake: WoW has fallen on its sword, finally unable to overcome it's toxic community, it's toxic developer(s), and it's toxic practice of destroying its classic lore for time sinks. And do not think the culture wars being fought do not matter either. WoW has spent its time at the heart of the western culture war around victimhood. FF is a Japanese game, refitted a bit for western audiences. Things which are kawaii (cute), strong characters who do not demand support, and the strengths of femininity being treated as the separate by equal ideals most of us "peasants" still enjoy. It does not judge you, it celebrates you! Just don't be an ass, or those cute little "objectified cat girls" will show you just how they make "cat gut." This was a great summary though, very fair without hating on WoW. A++
While i'm going to not talk about the culture war section of the comment as I do want to remain as apolitical as I can manage, I think you certainly have a point in that toxicity in both the community and dev team has lead to this point. The dev team seems to do whatever they want without much regard to the playerbase, and the game seems to be designed to cater to the most on-average toxic element of the player base (competitive end-game with either pve in mythics or pvp with arenas) which they do really well but it's come at the cost of most other elements of the game. FFXIV however is a far better experience holeistically so its no surprise that the exodus happened in the end
Thank you for watching, the comment and kind words at the end
All these new youtube videos about FFXIV winning, being better than WoW and everything of the sort make me cringe. I've been a WoW player since vanilla and a FFXIV player for almost a year now, and unfortunately, with the mass migration of WoW players to FFXIV, some of the WoW mentalities are also joining FFXIV.
The constant need to show how the game you are playing is better than the competition, the dunking on smaller MMOs, the lack of understanding and communication in-game.... these are just a few of the average WoW player traits. Since the start of autumn, my UA-cam feed as been inundated with videos of WoW bros joining the FFXIV and dunking on WoW, and now I'm starting to see bits and pieces of the WoW player traits in FFXIV. I just hope that the people who join this cool game understand it's not like WoW and don't completely fuck up the FFXIV community with the WoW mindset.
The people who can't break that WoW mindset don't make it through the MSQ, one thing that can be said for the slower start in the ARR is that it provides a bit of a wall for people who aren't going to jell with the way FFXIV operates. As for your concerns about the community potentially changing they're valid, WoW has taught people terrible habits for a long time, but FFXIV is designed in a way to as I mentioned weed out the worst and then mold the people who are left into something far more acceptable.
As for dunking on WoW specifically, it's just cathartic, after years and years of the same stuff it's good to finally be playing a game the devs care about. My bet is there'll be less and less WoW videos as time goes on as most content creators get into the FFXIV swing of things and can actually make informed videos purely about it. Not to say WoW content will completely go away, there'll always be new news which is going to make for quality content, but those will come in waves when there is that new information.
Thank you for watching, and for your comment
No one ever mentions Mahjong
People should play Mahjong more.
Going through all the mini-games at the Golden Saucer is a dedicated video in itself, but your right, Mahjong is pretty under-appreciated (still need to get a handle on it myself). Thank you for watching
i wish you got mgp for playing it. i know it has challenge logs but the only reason to play it is if you're bored of doing any grinding
fr the fact you have Mahjong competitive(?) players complimenting XIV's mahjong and iirc some of them default to it for online play is amazing