HDS 68 Full Power with Homedefence-24.
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2021
- With a little help from Homedefence-24 we tuned the HDS.68. It should now be full power but it seems my gun was quite down on power to begin with. The mods done has made a huge improvement. #hds68 #umarexhds68 #t4e
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Not as powerful as some other youtubers have, but the power gains using the Powerkit68 are impressive.
Hi at 6:06 in your video you take out the small brass item. Did you put it back in? In video by Rune Rebel ‘Umarex HDS68, Powertuning’ at 2:40 in his video he says to take it out and not put it back in. Thanks
@@StuLau Yes I have seen Rune's videos. I should have mentioned that you leave out the little brass piece, this is in effect a restrictor, slowing down the CO2.
Great tips and detailed video. Thank you very much.
Just got my powerkit - very helpfull tutorial :)
Thank You!!!!! Good job!!!!!
I did this same mod to mine and although the results were pretty good, it was inconsistent. So, I did a couple more things…now, very consistent and even more power.
-I took apart the selector valve and bored out the passage ways as much as I could without changing air flow direction or selector seal. I also very lightly buffed the selector and the top and bottom where it runs to make it smoother or less clunky feeling.
-Then when I reassembled the selector valve I used an epoxy that I really like and sealed the grove and channel it fits in so it was sealed air tight. New, they are less air tight than my tshirt…doesn’t matter how much you increase the air flow volume if it isn’t delivered to the projectile.
-then I disassembled the inner and outer barrels. On the ends of the two inner barrels, I put a pretty thin o-ring. When reassembled, the other end at the breech is the width of the o-ring further out…about a mm. Now I see no space between the barrels and gun when closed. Almost forgot…you also have to file about a mm or so off of the catch piece’s post because of alignment with the o-rings installed…if not now, it’s going to make sense when you reassemble.
Now it’s as powerful as I think it’ll go without some higher quality guts. And, it’s very consistent.
If it’s not sealed when you start it’ll only get worse when it gets colder as you shoot and the metals shrink…
I would've loved a video of this. Either way, thank you for this in-depth comment. Much appreciated.
Nice video Ben. It could be the temperature that makes it less "hot". I notised when testing my HDR50 that has the Powerkit50 installed that it gave a max 29 joules, this at 20C. When testing earliyer in a warm room (25C+) it gave as hi as 42 joules with the same slugs. You can also check the breach-seal. Shine a light down the barrels and se if you can se any light comming from gaps where the breach-seal pushes against the frame. Mine has a small leak there and I will try fix it soon. When I do I make a video. Keep up the great work. Cheers from your friend in Norway :)
Someone had suggested the breach seal, something to check out. Thanks.
Massive thanks for this video, made modding mine to +20J super easy!!
hi, good video of hds unbridle course😀, it's really weird the result🤔, maybe we should recheck all the editing if nothing is not tightened enough or something else because the results at the chroni are disappointing 😔😵
Washers on the brass tube seals ?. You could try finding a male/female bush extension for the brass screw/seal/pop out indicator to make the chamber bigger. Mucho power. Need to file out the plastic case for it.
I got my power kits today, and they even threw in some German gummy bears 🙂
Salut merci pour ce test
je vous en prie
Did you also remove the little brass throttle in the brass feed tube?
Can you show the modification using the export valve. I can't find it on the shotgun. Thank you
Now we just need an upgrade for the Umarex air javelin! I want to make this crossbow bolt go much faster than 400 FPS! Help me find something to increase the power on my POS Sig Sauer MCX as well, if it's possible plz also. The MCX is pretty sad for how mean and awesome it is.. I should have spent the extra hundred for the Virtus 22 caliber PCP version...
U have an idea what would happen if u let the powerkit completely away? I mean when u let this tube empty after removing the original valve?
So I got to the step where you squeeze the spring loaded part and get the valve assembly out but for the life of me I cannot get it to squeeze easily and come apart. I gave up and re-assembled but I may give it another crack. Am I missing something? I had all the screws out.
See if already have 16j and you add this power valve. What’s joules are you looking at getting
I think it might be helpful to try a heavier hammer spring or adjusting the one it comes with. It needs allot more air to boost the large bore rouns down the tube.
MORE WOLUME BUT NOT MORE THAN WOLUME THAT ,,UNDER COMPRESSION ,MAX PRESSURE FILL THE BORE FROM TIP OF LOADED PELLET //TO THE END OF BARRELL ,, YOU WILL COURSE LOOSE A LOT OF AIR/LIKE 50 OR 60 PERC TO JUST BE SURE THAT AT POINT OF BULLET EXITING BARREL ,,THE PRESSURE IN BARREL IS STILL AS MUCH AS IN A AIR CARNISTER // IT WILL CUT ROUNDS PER FILL FROM LET SAY 10 TO PROBABLY 3 OR 4 BUT THAT IS THE MOST FPS/ OR CALL IT POWER YOUR GUN CAN PRODUCE WITH THAT AIR PRESSURE /BULLET ABSOLUTE MAX // NOT REALLY PRACTICAL ,,YOU CAN BOOST FEW PERC/OR EVEN FEW 10 WITHOUT GOING THIS FAR ,,THIS WOULD I IMAGINE ALSO CREATE A QUITE MUCH LOUDER BANG ,,AND STANDARD AIR GUN SUPRESSOR WILL NOT WORK SINCE TOO MUCH AIR AT THAT SPEED BEHIND BULLET WAITING TO GO OUT ,, BUT IT IS FINAL MAX AS FAR AS AIR VOLUME/PRESSURE/ BULLET DESIGN , LUBE ETC IS ANOTHER THING
LET ME KNOW IF ANY TESTED THIS
AFTER ALL IF WE TALK HUNT ,, I D RATHER HAVE 3 / 60 PERC STRONGER SHOOTS THAN 12 ,,NORMAL,,
You want weaker smooshier springs... it allows for the valve to stay open longer, putting more gas behind the projectile. If you use much stronger springs, the valve opens quickly, and springs closed faster = less power. A lot of people make this mistake thinker stronger bigger springs give you more power... not in these guns, tho. Same with the Umerax glock, S&w M&P 2.0, and the ppq pistols... he did all the work on that S&w M&P 2.0, but he didn't put a weaker spring it the magazine valve. Just by switching a weaker smooshier spring in the mag valve... the pistol 1st shot is 375 FPS and then drops about 10 fps each shot with a 12 gram cart. I made an extended mag from a Umerax riffle mag and the top half of the stock mag. Then I put a 2 - 12gram co2 adaptor valve in with the extra room, and the thing kicks so hard!! It feels like the slide is gonna blow off the back, lol.
Hello, how much joule I got when I only remove the plastic plug inside the Ventile at the 7,5 joule version?
Did I get 16 joules then?
Avez vous enlever le petit restricteur en laiton sur la tige en laiton quand vous avez changer le nouveau kit power ?
I wounded if Home Defence 24 will have a Powerkit for the HDX 0.68 shotgun??? Now that would be fun!!!
Maybe... but the 40 joule one they are releasing seems to only be for law enforcement, AFAIK
I modded mine pretty heavily. It got the uppowered pin, the plastics sleeve removed from the valve and I removed the throttle. I also changed the gas mount out to accept 90 gram carts. I use an on/off valve to allow me to drain them of pressure and they stand ready at all times. I can also use 16 or 25 gram carts. I feel that they give up more pressure than the smaller 12grsmm am carts. Unfortunately I blew out the valve stem o ring and the pressure release valve gives me a lot of trouble. I think I am exceeding the tolerances of the design and I am going to blow it to pieces unless I step it down a notch.
Have you seen the new model HDR that’s coming out ? 68 cal 👍🏻
Yes, I’ve seen it, looks good.
After removing the reducer my fps went up to 331. It was a nice improvement from 200 fps. Maybe you replaced those brass parts wrong. Also mine is the 7.5 joul version.
Mine needed a bit more fettling on the inside, I think I bought a dud. But it's putting out good power now.
Can you remove the reducer and add this export valve?
Can you get these power kitsin the UK?
Thx for your videos.
Well... Any ideas on how to best remove the old export valve once the slot head is a bit dinged? I heated the piece up several times trying to break it free, but no luck. In doing so the slot got damaged and I really don't want to totally trash it. The space is tight down there so not sure if something like the Alden Grabit Micro damaged screw extractor would help to remove it. ????
I know some people have managed to knock a deep 6mm socket onto the export valve to remove it, might be worth a try.
@@Maddogairguns Lock or knock? Either way I'll try. ;). Thanks.
Knock it on, not sure if it was a six point socket or a twelve.
@@Maddogairguns just make ,,a socket like punch ,,but drill exact //ok a tad bigger hole so no 6 or 12 points of contact but whole surface ,, not need to be supersteel normal iron will do it
ARE THE FREDS OK
What happened to the little Screen?
man you are touching that stuff like a nitro gel in top heat,, but it is the right wat to do as gunsmith,, just look funy
Put the throttle back in?
Wish I’d watched this before mauling the head on my valve because I didn’t know it was glued in.🤦🏻
Did you put the little brass valve back in the O ring at the end of the brass tube next to the barrel selector?
If that’s is like a top hat shaped piece, then yes I left that out.
@@Maddogairguns - yep that’s the bit. Thanks.
So next how do I get a mauled valve out to replace with a power valve 🤦🏻(joke). I’ll try the long socket idea.
Hello! I wanted to ask you about the very small part in point 6.06 of the video, don't you put it back together? because it is not understood in the video! the little gold pin thank you so much!!
It is like a little brass top hat, leave that piece out, just put the o-ring and brass tube back in.
@@Maddogairguns grazie!!
Hi bud can you steer me to the upgrade kit for the HDS? I cant find it anywhere? Thanks
Everything you might need for the HDS right here: en.homedefence-24.com/Collections/hds-68
You're definitely doing something wrong, because I only took out the restrictor and put in the exact same mod in the 16j version and mine went from sounding like a paintball gun to a shotgun. No means of measuring velocity or power, but from the same vendor who sold me as well as you the valve, I can put one of those large, freebie, bearing bits that you get with purchase clean through 1/4" plywood at about 30 ft away.. maybe 20 ft... And before it wouldn't even go through a plastic garbage can. Now it blasts a rather large hole through the plastic garbage can... Almost sounds like a real shotgun at night where I live in the hollar as well.
Ive also got the 16 j version .so just take the restrictor out and out the powerkit in and that's it ?
@@arr7418 my bad mine was the 7j tr50 and I took the restrictor out, swap the valve for the same full power valve, then I added the aluminum magazine, the barrel extension, and it did a few other things and I got a little over 800 FPS and it kicked noticeably with most of the types of ammo. I'll do a video soon as I just recently got a replacement trigger returns spring by purchasing another entire tr50 used just for the spring. LOL $100 spring SMH
@@arr7418 I think there's an another little tiny thing that you take out on top of the restrictor it's been a while so I don't exactly remember. I took out the little tiny brass guy and I was thinking there was something else and then heat up the valve that's in there so that the thread lock eases up, and swap the valve for the max power and you should be good.. make sure everything's lubed up real well too. Couple guys that actually have a video that do it step by step with close up view that help out a lot more honestly I just like that this guy goes for the most power like I do. He's the only french guy I've enjoyed watching even though he seems a bit British for my taste lol just kidding. Regardless, this guy has taste and I'll never stop watching his videos before I watch anyone else's. And I like how over time he's got more technical and I think this video just needs redone or something. Truthful commentating to the Channel owner from a fan.
@@arr7418 and the reason I keep getting the 7j version as it has capacity for more power than the 16 J version. Same thing with the hds68 and it's weaker version versus the higher version. I don't remember the reason but I've heard a few videos talk about it and seen the proof in the pudding but yeah I've had the cops called on me a few times for gunshots with mine and its current state. Doesn't help that I run around with a pellet rifle made by Sig Sauer that looks like an assault rifle in the yard all the time or the Umarex Javelin with specialty broadheads either... There is hate testing day for new deadly ammo for the HDS68 because I get creative with that and I have all the mods for it as well which make it quite the PowerHouse none of my paintball markers LOL can shoot paintballs so I'll just put it that way... Most things actually definitely shoot lethal rounds thar alternate in bone shattering ones...
@@zer0divid3 🤣 I had to do the same when upgrading my hdr.50 lost a trigger spring so got a whole new one for it
Hi mate @5.49 you removed that black piece. I saw another video where the guy took that piece out then put the gun back together. He got more power, so do you really need to buy the power kit.
Yes if you take that piece out it will increase the power, but fitting the powerkit will increase it further. Depends how far you want to go really.
@@Maddogairguns ok thanks
When I removed the reducer it increased the velocity from 200 fps to 331 fps. I was plenty happy.
Vaseline? You should have used Pellgun oil or White Lightning Grease; Vaseline has a tendency to get sticky after a while or freezes and becomes brittle if it gets cold.
Hello Mad dog love the videos. Can you please tell me the piece that you warm up what is it called. As I couldn’t heat it up enough to get the valve out and now there’s no grip left on the valve two unscrew. What is the name of the black piece that you put over the stove as I need to get a replacement ?
I’m not sure what that piece is called. Have you tried hammering a 6mm single hex deep socket onto the valve pin, sometimes that gets them out.
I’m willing to try but ain’t we ment to screw it out if I hammer it out, would the valve still screw in. Can you please help with this as I can’t get it out now.
Hammer the socket onto the valve pin, make sure it’s a nice tight fit and then turn the socket, more heat here might also be a good idea.
Thank you mad dog I’ll try and see if it works. Would you please find out from your sources the name of that piece so just in case I can order that one
Hi do you have a website to buy from? I couldn't find you on a search
It’s not my website, but here you go en.homedefence-24.com
Was ist mit der einer Schraube passiert?
Hi what upgrades can I do I have the 16 joule version .
en.homedefence-24.com/Collections/hd-68
Cool video! You think this will fit in the HDX68 too?
I have heard from a reliable source that the HDX68, is indeed good for modification.
@@Maddogairguns Thats good to hear! You know if that source knows if the same valve can be installed as the HDS?
Not sure of what will be available for it just yet. Don’t think I’ll be buying one, as I have my eye on a new shotgun at the moment.
at 12:08 in the video you moved a piece of paper across the bench. the paper hit a small piece of brass near the old pin. What was that piece of brass for?
I've just taken my 7.5J version apart, and that tiny brass piece is a flow reducer. It sits in the very end of the thin brass pipe which runs from the Co2 cartridge chamber towards the trigger/main mechanism. Some people seem to have removed it when modding, others haven't. There's a tiny rubber o-ring which fits on the brass pipe right next to it, so removing the flow restrictor might technically provide a slight gap (I'm talking a fraction of a millimetre) between the end of the pipe and the valve chamber. However, I lubed my o-ring (lol) generously with grease and it hasn't leaked any Co2, but it might have done if the rubber o-ring started to get thin from drying out or cracking. Hope that helps!
The little brass piece
Curious, has anyone managed to create a bola style ammunition for this?
Unwise. While it can shoot both barrels at the same time, it's only half power. Shoot one barrel at a time to get a harder impact.
Try it with bola ammo
This gun is just interesting because its the only gun you can shoot slugs with nails.In rest for defense with normal balls its useless with just 2 shots...and that small power.Your HDR tuning was much more impressive...
Think my version of this gun is very underpowered, other people have got much more power out of it. I do prefer the HDR though.
@@Maddogairguns I also think with your gun something is not right.The 7.5J versions most time are weaker,but what I saw in your test to get out just 2.smth Joule with some balls is screwing the customer.I think its exactly the missing Joules you loose somewhere and thats why you get just 16J out of it with the modification.For this can buy the 16 J version out of the box.
16+5 stolen Joules would be 20+ like they say from homedefence24.
I got a HDR and think about doing the modification you did.I saw on another channel its good for around 30Joule with the right balls.
@@sven471111 Yes I was getting a good 26joules from my HDR, without much experimenting with ammo.
talk about home made slug and nail added or darts like in a circus air rifles /shooting for teddy bears,,a well made dart like that should do a lot of damage and soft cower as thick clothe penetration i think
oh yeah i have 2 of these guns and both loaded with nails which i drilled holes through hp68 slugs and stuck a large nail in. hope i never need to use them because properly placed they will stop anything.
il atteins 20j avec des dévastateur ou des billes caoutchou/fer
I have been looking at getting one of these for a bit of fun, I am hopeless when it comes to installing performance kits always end up with spare parts 🤣, if I get one and the power kit anyone fit them?
Modding this gun is really easy, much easier than the HDR.
what fun ,,when i was young we me and my mates had a realistic battles //it was 1980 ,,/ so no hunting air rifles or co2 stuff or paintball//spetial in europe/slovenija,,but we did have a diana 177 air rifles /spring /1 shoot,, shull and some of german ones so we used that as weapon and went in wood,, we were a bit stupid than since good spring air rifle can blind you // BUT WITH TODAY S EYE PROTECTION /AND SOME BALLS ON YOU ,,YOU WILL NEVER COME TO THE EXPIRIENCE OF REAL WAR/RIFLE FIGHT,,THAN WHEN EVEN SMALL 177 PELLET FLYS FEW CM OVER YOUR HEAD AT 280 M PER SEC,,SPEED OF ACP 45 JUST NO KILL POWER ,, IF YOU GOT /OK RATED FULL WRAP GLASSES,,TEST THEM WITH ALL GUNS INVOLVED IN BATTLE // THAN MOST DAMAGE IS A CUT LIP SOME BLOOD ,, EVEN A CHIPPED FRONT TEETH ,,BUT WANT TO PLAY WAR ,,DO IT 4 REAL // PS ,, LOOK ALL YOUR GUNS BEFORE SO NO ONE BRINGS A 6,35 OR 5,5 CAL PREFILLED AIR GUN //THAT IS NO LONGER SAFE //AND HAVE A RULE NO FIRE CLOSER TTHAN 10 METERS /NO HEADSHOOTS UNLESS 30 PLUS METER //HAVE FUN WE HAD A BLAST ,, I WAS WOUNDED TO BLEED MORE THAN DOSEN TIMES ,BUT NO PAIN NO FEAR / NO FEAR NO COMBAT SIM //BE SAFE //PS BICYCLE WILL HURT YOU MORE THAN 177 SPRING AIR RIFLE /JUST PROTECT EYES,,FULL BUBBLE SHOOTGUN RATED GLASSES// MITJA SLOVENIJA write i ll send mail
@@michomicho7668 I was a kid in the 1980's too and had shot many air rifles and shotguns back then and I also served in the Army for 19 years and been on a few Operational Tours so you could say I have dodged a few 7.62mm in my time.
so what is your opinion on this /ghetto /sawn off shootgun ,, co2 powered from a cream cartreidge,, i am willing to be hit on 20 meter with this ,,50 cal lol as many time you got cash for 5 dollars per hit,,i am not iin some tough spot to need few 100 bucks so bad i just know it feel like a not too good blow pipe with chery as ammo //and ,,just wake me when it is over and ill have someone count hits//x5 to collect cash /and give kids a plesure of shooting live human target with their .50 cal devastator ,,:)") i had a career dragon slayer in 50 ,,my bullet design molds made custom by lee,, it was awsome //spetial under 160 gr soft lead void rounds /desogn similar to 177 classic pellet and for penetration we tested hand glued 4 /5 mm ball bearing glued to ttip ,,after all i am from ex yugoslavia ,, here we made all or counterfit it from germany from 1945 till 19190,after that ,,laws like 10 joule airgun bann etc ,,force us to find other way around,,
ty for reply what is your ,,sin ,,")
@@dwcroyals
If all you do is remove the reducer with patience’s you should be able to do it. Watch one of the videos freeze frame it step by step.
why not tune up your wallpaper?
Its the 7,5 joules version?
Yes this is the 7.5joule version.
amigo
How snug is the ammo going down the barrel?
Not sure of exact measurements, they just said only use with standard barrel.
@@Maddogairguns try pushing ammo through barrel manually, see how much resistance.
ALERT DUMB QUESTION COMING. i have .68 pepper and tear gas balls and vrx ammo will i be able to use those in my 16 joule shotgun?
The hds.68 will fire most things, but at 16 joules the pepper balls might break before they exit the barrel.
@@Maddogairguns thanks mad dog i will not try my pepper and tear gas ammo in this. i will keep the pepper and tear gas in my pistol launchers.
In uk is the 11 joules legal
They only do 7.5 or 16 joules versions of this gun. 7.5 is legal for the UK.
Whatever you do don't damage the freds.
Or the frottle fing.
@@Bobario1 🤣
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Need shogun so they will go down for sure if need be.
If i was to go shooting this in my back garden I'd have the armed police round thinking it was a sawn off shot gun . Very dangerous bit of kit.
If you were in the UK, this could cause a "trumped up" News report of a "fire arm incident with sawn off shotgun in back yard".
@@cunnyfred9562 exactly , that was my point , it's got the potential to get you shot !
It probably wouldn't go down to well here in France, luckily I'm out in the countryside and guns are fairly common. Albeit not sawn off shotguns.
which Should i get the TR50 7.5 jules or HDS 68 7.5 jules? Then get the upgrade parts from Homedefence-24.
They tell me that modifying the 7.5joule version of either gives better results. If you like the six shots of a revolver go for the TR50/HDR50 or if you prefer the shotgun type then its HDS68. I would recommend Homedefence-24 with quality parts that really do the job.
@@Maddogairguns I can't find the HDR50 in the USA.Homedefence-24 said the TR50 and HDR50 are the same and there upgrade parts will work.
Yes I think the HDR is the same as the TR50. Home defence revolver here and training revolver over there. Same gun.
Tu l'as simplement mis en configuration française : 16 joules ! Maximum en France : 20 joules !
You can shoot steel balls, aluminum balls, rubber balls hairy balls, skinny balls and many different😂
Is this uk legal?
No, probably not.
not over 7.5 joule but the pump action can be 16j as its considered more of a long gun also if you do get one dont ever say its for self defence because that makes it illegal lol
I prefer a 9 mm
Wouldn't we all, but not easy to own one here.
Cuanto cuesta
itll shoot marbles too ;) just sayin lol
You don’t buy a power kit you but you just take a piece of plastic out I get 22 joules out of mine
désolé mais massacrer une jolie pièce comme le 68 pour je pense deux -trois j. c'est dommage
Abra me en español
That thing looks absolutely useless for home defence.
Wouldn’t want to get hit by it, but you’d need to be on target with just two shots.
You have the time and energy to be modifying guns but can't seem to comb your hair or fix your walls behind you ,just saying
To be honest, I really couldn't care less what you think of either my hair or the walls. I made the effort to put a video out, where is your content?
How rude. Guarantee you wouldn't say that to he's face.