Hey. I just wanted to know. I’m wearing a black tuxedo for an event. Should the bow tie and cummerband colour (black) match the lapel. I know it will be the same material. But even in black there are different shades. Thanks
A wing collar is perfectly acceptable with a black tie ansamble I think, you saw it more often in the 1920’s and 30’s. So if you want to ad a more vintage touch go for a wing collar. And if you are st it ad a nice low-cut single-Breasted waistcoat.
Tuxedo stories!! 1. My mom thinks that the satin strip down the pants, make them look rented. I don’t know where she got that idea… 2. My husband bought a $600 tuxedo the day before my sister’s party. It checked all the boxes except for the lapel being notched. But worth it. More on that below. 3. After extensive research on suits, it’s interesting to see people make fun of what they don’t know. I have a cousin that got married in a tuxedo. At my sister’s party, a formal event, my husband wore his tuxedo (I wore an evening gown with long satin gloves). My cousin was making fun of the bow tie. Like… it’s a formal event. How does he not know that a bow tie goes with a tuxedo if he got married in one…? 4. People say it’s not worth it because you only wear it once. Not true. A friend (70?) lives on a street with a lot of older people. They do this monthly “progressive driveway” where the home owner has a dinner party for the block, and every month it’s at a different neighbor’s house. Because everyone has that “one time use tuxedo” all their dinners are now black tie. How cool is that!?!? You can always make or find a reason to wear one. 5. Gatsby Roaring 20s theme party. He wore it to my mom’s 60th. I’ll probably use that theme more often, just to see him in his tux 😍 6. At a company masquerade Christmas party, he wore his tux and everyone was complimenting him for it. From male co-workers to his boss’s boss’s boss. 🥰 7. The following year, the company party was also a Gatsby Roaring 20s theme. He wore the same tuxedo and also got many compliments from everyone he spoke to. He’s MY arm candy 😊
Funny stories and I had to smile several times since I made similar experiences. So here are my tuxedo stories. 1. I bought my first tuxedo back in 2014 when I made a business trip to Shanghai. I never before wore one or had the opportunity to do so. I have been living in Shanghai some years ago and already knew the tailor where I wanted to buy the tux. Knowing the low price for it, something around 100 Euro at that time, it was kind of a calculated experiment. So why not? Here in Germany the tuxedo is called "Smoking" due to its origins as a smoking jacket. So seeing a sign stating "No smoking!" in front of the stores entrance with a dummy wearing a tuxedo (Smoking) right next to it was a bit confusing for a second. 2. As said before I never wore a tuxedo before but when I put it on a few days later it just struck me how good I looked in it. Of course I had no idea how the details should look like and after some research on that topic I found out that some things had to be changed: silk stripes down the pants, buttons for suspenders and the pants length. At the end the alterations cost me the same as the tux itself. 3. Having a tux in the wardrobe is useless if you don't know how to tie a bow tie. I am usually considered to have a workable brain and some decent manual skills but learning how to tie a bow tie properly was quite a hard thing to do for me. I was surprized how much I wanted to learn this skill. 4. At a company Christmas party some years ago there was no dress code but I chose to wear my tuxedo. The location was located nearby the harbour of Hamburg, a bit fancy and I just wanted to wear my tux. Of course I was the only one and got lots of compliments for it. I also wore the tux for the following company Christmas parties and it was always the same. My boss sometimes has to wear a normal business suit but even he was not aware that this was not a normal suit but a tuxedo. He just realized that there was something different to the suits he was wearing from time to time. 5. With that experience I realized that almost nobody knew about black tie rules so I started to break or ignore them a bit. So I left the cummerbund at home and put on my blue Omega Seamaster 300. When my colleagues told me that I looked like James Bond and asked where I got my Walther PPK it opened up another occasion to wear the tuxedo: as a costume for a masquerade party. 6. At one occasion, again a company Christmas party, my mood was different and I chose to wear a suit instead of the tuxedo. That suit was made of a shiny gray fabric and usually draws some attention to it. When I entered the party almost everyone asked me why I didn't wear the tuxedo. It obviously took me only a few times to make the tuxedo my hallmark for that kind of occasions.
Bugs the hell out of me when people think steel bracelet sport watches are acceptable as dress watches. I guess that's just a sign of my getting old because it seems to be becoming the norm.
Noodle_Ra Dive watches look bad with tuxedos. James Bond in casino Royale set off a trend. Seems like another Tom ford type trend (like him forcing peak lapels on the public) that became overused.
He Spoke Style oh that’s an autocorrect. Meant to say dive watches look bad with tuxedos. I’m all for watches with tuxedos. Totally acceptable. A classy dress watch with a nice notch lapel tuxedo is the preferred look of the American gentleman.
@@caseyjonesbklyn5796 actually it predates Casino Royale. Connery wore a sport Rolex (with a striped grosgrain watchband no less) with a diner jacket in Goldfinger.
Very nice review of the essential rules of the black tie uniform. Well done! My minor additions: #3a: A scooped, u-shaped vest is a more bespoke alternative to the cummerbund. #3b: Keep your jacket buttoned when standing-you're not supposed to see the vest or cummerbund. #8a: Make sure the fabric for the stripe down the side of your trousers matches the fabric of your lapel/tie-meaning, grosgrain with grosgrain lapels, not satin with grosgrain lapels. #8b: While plenty of guys wear double vents on a tux as the "modern take" you cite, the absolute classic look is ventless. #9a: Patent leather is far preferable to just a well-shined pair of ordinary dress shoes. The whole point of a black tie outfit is to be different from "regular" dressy clothes, and that literally means from top to bottom.
Bruce, thank you for adding your comments. This video had me a little concerned about a tuxedo I purchased from two very reputable clothiers (Balani Clothiers & Judd Frost Clothier). I wanted to take a moment to reinforce your post in case there is anyone else that may have concerns about your comments. My tuxedo's intended use is for my upcoming wedding, and continued use attending corporate galas in the Twin Cities. The clothier that supplies my Samuelsohn tuxedo strenuously objected to peaked and shawl lapels, and satin, stating the gross grain notched lapel is the most universal for all occasions and the emerging trend. They also strongly objected to cummerbunds, but fully support vests provided they are of the exact same fabric & style of the tuxedo coat & trousers. With regard to shoes, you described shoe selection almost exactly the way Balani Clothiers discussed shoes, which is where I purchased my shoes and studs. They supplied me with a custom version of the Magnanni Cesar which have a combination of patent leather toe and heel, and soft Napa leather on the vamp, with rounded toe cup. They are by far the most comfortable and eye-catching formal shoe I've ever found.
Note to self after watching this video: start seeking out black tie events to attend in 2021! lol. Like you, I LOVE dressing in a tux. Well done, once again.
That was the most compact yet exhaustive take on Black Tie I've ever seen. Thanks, Brian. I always do Black Tie wrong, but purposely so. I'm in my early 20s and really, there isn't any occasion unless I make it one. I don't even own a complete Black Tie set. But the tux blazers I do own fit me so well that I can easily work around the missing links. There's only one prerequisite: Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively. Your video certainly helps in that regard!
I like what you said but You need to add a few things. The jacket should hand no vent, the paints should have a matching galon, no belt loops, suspender buttons, and no back pockets.
I'm quite the rule breaker, but I agree all the way. Black tie IS a uniform and to break all rules ruins the entire point. It's time for your woman to shine, not yourself or other men. Great middle ground with the watch question too, but that's no surprise coming from you, Brian!
Should have been "cummerbund OR black tie appropriate waistcoat OR none of the above if the jacket is double breasted" (although the last exception should go without saying). Apart from that minor detail: great video as always, Brian.
considering the absence of opportunity for white tie event, I would still keep the wing collar as an option, otherwise you never really get the chance to wear it.
What I love about black tie and formalwear in general is that from silhouette and overall appearance, there is a uniform look but more personal details are just that. If you wear red enamel cufflinks, that's going to be the people close to you (physically and figuratively) notice. It's not screaming out to the world.
OK so not quite sure what your take on shoe is, you say a black Oxford is the least one can do, but that one should abstain from patent leather and loafers or slippers, so what's the sweet spot shoe then?
A simple black oxford well-shined. There are TONS of options and, honestly, there really aren't wrong options--just depends on the particular event. I personally like to wear my patent Belgian shoes most, and then if it's a little less formal, I'll do a velvet slipper.
For those venturing into the realm of Black tie events for the first time, this video is a well done primer on the basics. Whilst I understand Brian's endeavor to educate and equip new wearers of formal attire with all that they need, we must take into account that in 2022, even at holiday gatherings and weddings, athleisure has become the de facto order of the day. Despite what an invitation may read, one should always expect that there will be those who want to display their originality. We now live in an Instagram / Pinterest/facebook world where most people fancy themselves internet influencers, of some kind or another. Said reality now dictates that few will follow the rules set out in this primer. It's important to note, by the way, that there is no governing board or fashion police officer that will be enforcing said rules. If someone is rude enough to attempt etiquette shaming someone , then that person deserves the tongue lashing of ones choosing. Having said that, most, if not all, of the rules that are being espoused here were put in place at the height of America's gilded age and were filtered versions of antiquated Victorian era classicism. The gilded age, by it's very definition, was designed to expressly exclude those deemed undesirable by Mrs. Astor and social ladder climber, Ward McAllister. The question becomes, then, is it time to relax the practice of passing judgment on those who choose their own sartorial path, especially in a society where fashion trends democratize and lead our social experiences?
Standards and etiquette aren't classiest, its about holding yourself to a certain standard and doing what's objectively proper. E.g., mismatched lapels and bowtie materials are discordant and not aesthetically pleasing, or not observing buttoning etiquette will lead to an improper look and fit.
@@jamesrosewell9081 standards and etiquette are, by the very definition, classicist. They are rules and standards that were put into place by the upper class, not any lawmaking or governing body of any country. Looks and fit aside, the term upper crust and cream of the crop, we're designed as a way to differentiate oneself from another class.
Hello Mr. Sacawa, I just came upon your channel and I thought your name sounded familiar. Curious if you are still performing with the U.S. Army Field Band. Stay happy and healthy!
You can wear a wing collar shirt with black tie its a classic and classy way to stand out and you can just do it look a pics for the 20's and 30's and more back and it was very normal back than they made the rules and you can wear it
Brian, I enjoyed your video. I would add that nowadays there are high end slim fit rental tuxedos made of high quality worsted wools that are appropriate for black tie events. It’s a smart and less expensive alternative to purchasing a tuxedo for someone that rarely needs one.
Nicely done. Yes, the rules for winged collars changed seemingly in the 1950's and so now you'd be correct. However, they are not only acceptable but preferred for some period events. Wherein their usage would indicate a better grasp of the period style trends.
Very informational video! I wish some of my band colleague would have seen this video ages ago, I always feel out of place playing a concert with Balck Tie dresscode and being the only person on the bandstand in a half decent tuxedo. What fabric would you recommend for a tuxedo shirt? Something plain or something with a little more texture?
Hey there, stumbled upon your video in trying to figure out what to wear for my wedding. Is it frowned upon to wear a black suit with a black bowtie rather than a tux? I don't want to shell out the dough for a tux and the rentals usually can't be tailored. That was the logic behind purchasing a custom suit. My wedding isn't a black tie event and is more casual.
Excellent video, Brian. I find it very straightforward and detailed enough so that I don't screw up my look again at a black tie event. Hopefully someday I'll get it "just right" (finally).. Many thanks.
I wouldn’t consider a wing collar to not be acceptable for black tie, it’s definitely not commonly seen in the modern world, but if you want to go for a more vintage look, it’s a great choice. It’s also a good way to stand out without breaking rules
As a self proclaimed strict rule follower what is your take on wearing midnight blue as a substitute for an actual black tuxedo? To be honest I cannot justify the purchase of a Tuxedo given I do not go to black-tie formal events.
Recently we were invited to a Black Tie Wedding! First of all, it’s a 1:00 afternoon Wedding,that in my book,isn’t a proper time to ask quests to dress Black Tie. My husband is turning 81 years old,myself 76 years old. We will be dressed very appropriate,for the time of day and Wedding of over 400 quests. My Husband has a double breast Dark navy,sports jacket/ grey slacks,pin striped/ navy white,and a very appropriate,matched scarf and tie. Dark or ox blood shoes. I have always been up to date stylish,my whole life,so No worry what I will look like. It will NOT be evening gown wear by any means,but something very fashionable.We are only going to the Wedding ceremony,because we had prior engagement for our 53 Wedding Anniversary.
On a roll these days Brian! A question, when in a pinch, what would be the best way to attend a black tie event if you don't own a tux? Best formal dark suit with a dark tie (and letting the host know beforehand I guess)? - Han
I don't know about people in other countries, but as a person in a semi-rural town in England I find that most charity shops(I think this equates to a thrift store), have a rather good variety of dinner suits, varying in size, quality and style. Often they are rather good deals. Also, most towns around the size of mine tend to have about 7 of these shops, so you'll usually find an acceptable dinner suit in an afternoon; I understand that fit is very important but I haven't had my dinner suit which I bought in one such shop and I'd say it fits well enough(I would have it altered but I'm not fully grown so it'd be a bit of a waste of money). That was a bit of a ramble, sorry.
@@nateranger783 Thanks for the suggestion! Admittedly I have not properly checked out my local charity/thrift stores back when I was in Korea, so I cannot comment on what the quality and variety I could have found there. I do however, believe that most Koreans would have rented one when needed, as the only time one would wear a tuxedo is for their own wedding. Tux rental is usually thrown in for free with bridal dresses (anecdotally, people around me all rented theirs for their wedding). And unless one has an interest in menswear or is involved with a classical orchestra, I don't think there's really any other time we would be required to wear one and thus spend money on one. Of course, to reiterate, this is just what I have experienced personally. Buying a tux isn't number 1 on my list right now, but I guess I'll keep an eye out when I visit thrift stores here in the States!
Will you ever check out ministry of supply products. I’ve always wondered if their price tag is worth the “new technology” they claim to have made. Thanks !
great video man! i think i probably won't have to wear a black-tie outfit anytime, not that i can foresee haha. but always great to know the dress code! cheers!
Sweet tux! I need to get a new due to losing a lot of weight, thankfully. What’s your opinion on wearing a watch with a tuxedo? I’ve heard some people say that it doesn’t fit the occasion, at least because of inception/introduction of the tuxedo in social settings. I think it looks good with a formal/dress watch, personally. Edit: haha, you answered my question as soon as I posted it!
Im not asked but i would advise using a pocket watch something classic a wrist watch is very informal with a tuxedo or white because its very easy to look at which implies you have better things to do
I am sorry, but must disagree with some of the statements, presented in this video. Matching bowtie fabric to lapel facings is hardly a rule that ought to be strictly followed. If you have a bowtie that perfectly matches the lapels -- good for you, but if you don't, there's no need to worry about it, as long as the bowtie is in black silk, and (that is, indeed, crucial), is of the "self-tie" variety. Notch lapels on a dinner jacket don't break any rules, but do look odd, and, considering that 90% of suit jackets and blazers out there (as well as most department store and rental tuxedos) have notch lapels, it's best to avoid them on a dinner jacket. Peaked lapels or a shawl collar make the dinner suit appear much more special. Cummerbunds are not required. It's funny that you chose to show a picture of James Bond, considering that James bond almost never appears in a cummerbund in the film series. If one feels that a decorative waist covering is necessary, a low-cut silk waistcoat is a great alternative to the cummerbund. However, if one chooses to wear a waistcoat, he ought to make sure his trousers have a true high-rise, so that the shirt never gets exposed between the waistcoat and the trouser waistband. Winged-collared shirts are considered incorrect in England, but I don't see why a high quality winged-collar shirt can't be worn, especially if the collar is detachable. However, one has to make sure that he's wearing it with studs and, either a low-cut waistcoat, or a double-breasted jacket. It's a very vintage-inspired look, which is not for everyone, but if done tastefully, and by someone who knows what he's doing, it can look great. Finally, matching all the metals sounds like trying too hard. Does this mean that a set of silver cufflinks and studs can't be paired with a golden wedding band? This can certainly be a personal preference, but hardly a "rule". All this being said, we can all have our opinions, as long as our opinions aren't based on ignorance. I find your channel to be one of the best men's wear channels! You have quite an impeccable taste and your attitude is always high class without a hint of pretentiousness. Good luck with everything!
I'm with you-they should match. Yes, it's one of those small details (like having your formal shoes laces in the same fabric!), but that's why they say "God is in the details."
I'm on a budget so I had to rent , I'm 6'7" and 300 pound but I went to my local gentleman's outfitters where they keep in stock my size due to me living in a strong rugby playing area . Shoes are tricky as I'm a 14 and I do have some black shoes I havnt worn them. for a while as I have a new beautiful brown pair but you say that's a no no , hoping my old black pair will polish up good but after watching your vid I'm worried . Trying to look a million dollars on a shoe string is going to be hard so wish me luck at a prestigious business awards 😓🙂
I have to attend black tie event in September 2022 and I don't own a tux. I went out shopping for a tux and none fit the look I desire. My budget is only $1500 for a whole tux which includes the shoes. What would be your best recommendation?
Just a couple that I thought would appear. Quite a big one I think - no clip on braces. It's the equivalent to the clip on bow tie, for children. Wearing a neck tie seems to be growing in popularity but I can't stand it personally. Seems to be very Hollywood. Oh, and don't take your jacket off! It's shocking how many men do halfway through the evening. Good video though, I agree with you
Why is it that we Americans cannot conform to the rules of black tie. When it comes to suits most Americans are very conservative, dressing outside the norm is frowned upon and many well talk behind your back. Now finally a black tie event is happening and everyone wants to break out by looking unique. I don’t get it. I am different, for black tie: I follow the rules, as for normal every day wear. I wear suits of all types of color and yes I am what you call a Dandy.
What if I reverse the colors of my tuxedo? jacket, dress pants, waistcoat, and bowtie all in ivory color matched with inner pleated shirt, pocket square, and patented leather shoes all in black. of course I will wear this at a formal lunch party instead of dinner.
@@hespokestyle Just a bad pun on Benedict Cumberbatch. I always thought that was a humorous name that would go well for a character in a Harry Potter novel.
Maybe a dumb question (definitely a selfish question) I know you said no velvet or suede slippers, but what about whole cut leather slippers with a mirror shine (no bow, so not an opera pump - something like J. Fitzpatrick's laurelhurst without a medallion)? I ask because as of now my fiancee and I are planning a wedding for fall 2021, that's been the plan since pre-covid (yes, it's our wedding and I can wear what I want, but would appreciate your ruling on this ;) )
@@hespokestyle thank you! I appreciate your response on this, I think I'll go for it...the only question left is black vs dark navy (since I'll likely be wearing a midnight navy tux). Luckily I have time to decide.
The J Fitzpatrick Laurelhurst without a medallion, in my opinion, is the best tuxedo shoe out there. And of course a whole cut with a nice shine is great. Certainly don't need patent leather (I would stay away from patent leather as it usually signifies rental tuxedo)
Nice video Brian. I love these hyper specific videos as a lot of videos on more general topics by other men’s style creators cover things I’ve already heard a million times.
While buying a tuxedo is probably better than renting one, I'm not sure that's a realistic option for most people, particularly since so few occasions call for black tie. I think it would be tough to justify buying a tuxedo unless I knew for sure there would be black tie events I would be attending on a fairly regular basis.
That's what I wear. Had it made as part of my bespoke tux. A subtle way to differentiate yourself from all the cummerbunds. But it has to have a scooped, u-shaped front. Under no circumstances get one that looks remotely like the vest you'd wear with a business suit.
Wowwwwww that’s cool. Why was I on Mr. porter looking at that brand and was contemplating on getting it. Now I’m for sure ordering it. Thank you. Your watch collection is amazing. What do you think of the Omega Seamaster 300?
Hi I need help! I’m having my wedding in summer and the heat is deadly here in Australia, I feel like my groomsmen will want to wear sun glasses, how do I tell them not to?! Or is it possible to wear sun glasses (somehow)? Haha
First, congratulations!! The thing that I find tacky about how groomsmen look sometimes is that they’re too uniform. Everyone wearing the same sunglasses would look very contrived. If they want to wear sunglasses out of necessity, that’s cool-will look better if not squinting in photos-just don’t have them match. Good luck!
I know you got a double vent on your wedding tuxedo. Did you go with a double vent or no vent on your other tuxedo jackets? What about your dinner jackets? How do you feel about those. No vent or double vent ?
So, the tux I'm wearing here is by RL. It has a single vent. My Edward Sexton DB dinner jacket is no vent--wanted SUPER classic and old school. My burgundy dinner jacket from MAB--will be available when we launch the collection--is also a double vent.
I watched the GQ tux expert video a while ago. I like what he said about watches something akin to "You shouldn't wear a watch in black tie, you should have nowhere else to be other that right there at that moment."
atomicvocabulary that’s a traditional black tie rule. But in America watches are perfectly acceptable. Watches with a tuxedo are like a notch lapel tuxedo. If you are an American then embrace your heritage. (The worst are the nerds who think watches are ok but notch lapels break the rules)
That's something people like to tout as a "rule" and a reasoning for it. I recommend checking out the other video I did that specifically addresses this topic.
He Spoke Style ha, yeah you are adopting style forum nerd tendencies with that view. “Break the rule on watches with tuxedos, but don’t wear notch lapels...”. Uhhh, prince Phillip is the best dressed of the royals and he is always wearing notch lapels. And if you are going to advocate breaking of one rule (watch is ok), but then say that the lapel has to be peak (which doesn’t look good on many people, and is certainly not a “rule”), well that type of inconsistency is wrong. In America notch lapels are preferred and watches are acceptable. There is a reason why bergdorf, brooks brothers, Paul Stuart, Armani and other decent brands sell so many notch lapel tuxedos (they look better than the peak for many people, the peak looks like you’re trying too hard sometimes)
I disagree with the wing collar, I think they look very good with black tie as well as white tie. I rather like the idea from the Gentlemen's Gazette of wearing the waistcoat and starched shirt from white tie with the rest of a black tie ensemble, however I wouldn't really want to do the white waistcoat myself. I'd say the problem with the starched wing collar would be that a lot of people find them uncomfortable, I don't find it uncomfortable but that's just me. I agree with the rest of the video but am slightly confused by the 'Don't be creative unless specified otherwise' sort of statement, do I have a rather strict definition of creativity or would that mean that an odd dinner jacket or midnight blue dinner suit would not be acceptable in your opinion?
@@hespokestyle I would agree, also thank you for your quick response, but I don't really know how to gauge how strict an event would be. I know the general rules for velvet slipper wearing but do you have any advice on gauging the formality? Other than specifically asking the host, which would of course work.
Awesome video as always Brian, what is your take on a vest with a tux? Should it match the rest of the tux or can it be made from another fabric, maybe satin? Hahaha, don't want to get too creative, just curious.
I'd not say that wing collars aren't acceptable and only used for white tie. They just look at bit more old fashioned and you stand out of the crowd wearing them.
Great content, Brian. My dinner suit is bespoke double breasted and pristine in spite of being more than 70 years old. Because of the jacket style and the fact that the suit was designed to be worn with button fastened braces, I don't wear a cummerbund with it. Right or wrong?
for the tuxedo studs and cufflinks, am i able to wear mother of pearl instead of the usual black onyx? i am just thinking for my upcoming wedding. or is that a purely white tie event thing? thank you
Black tie dress is the absolute best look for a man. I agree no fake ties, buy a real bow tie and learn how to tie it. It is easy. A proper dress shirt , studs and cuff links. Great video as always. I wear a dress watch black strap.
He Spoke Style ha. No, that other post had an autocorrect. It says five watches don’t look good, was supposed to say “dive watches” don’t look good with a tuxedo. I’m all for the watch and tuxedo. I embrace my American heritage.
I think that I've seen a couple times recently in tuxedo that I lshe knows that I like is maroon or burgundy burgundy shirt with black lace ( having a blouse like maroon with black lace look) paired with a bright Royal blue jacket and pants.
I love your videos they are very detailed but I have a question... Can I get a satin cuff on my double breasted suit or is the satin cuff mandatory and also can I get a 2inch hem on my pants like the one you get on your custom suits. I did that recently and I am loving it they provide more character and edge to the suit.
Tux trousers should be plain bottom. What do you mean satin cuff? Like a cocktail cuff on the jacket? (I did that on my wedding tux.) If that's what you're talking about, it should match the fabric of the lapel.
If someone wants to wear a loafer. Do a opera pump instead, more classic and very comfortable! Also wear that with white tie as well, anything else doesn’t really look good.
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Hey. I just wanted to know. I’m wearing a black tuxedo for an event. Should the bow tie and cummerband colour (black) match the lapel. I know it will be the same material. But even in black there are different shades. Thanks
I agree wholeheartedly with Brian’s “don’t get creative” advice. The essence of elegance is its simplicity.
George Lush, well said!!! Totally agree!!
" When things look too perfect, they look wrong" Well said 😂
Thanks! It's true!
The 1st rule is wear a black tie
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Black bowtie
Great video. I decided not to join a black tie event.
A wing collar is perfectly acceptable with a black tie ansamble I think, you saw it more often in the 1920’s and 30’s. So if you want to ad a more vintage touch go for a wing collar. And if you are st it ad a nice low-cut single-Breasted waistcoat.
totally.
I agree wing collar shirts are acceptable but make sure that the bowtie doesn't have a visable adjuster.
Yeah,tottaly right,especialy with the marcella front,very dashing
Going to disagree here.
The wing collar exposing the bow tie band takes from the outfits formality.
@@JFCotman Its actually more formal. Tuxedos were always wore with wing collars before
Tuxedo stories!!
1. My mom thinks that the satin strip down the pants, make them look rented. I don’t know where she got that idea…
2. My husband bought a $600 tuxedo the day before my sister’s party. It checked all the boxes except for the lapel being notched. But worth it. More on that below.
3. After extensive research on suits, it’s interesting to see people make fun of what they don’t know. I have a cousin that got married in a tuxedo. At my sister’s party, a formal event, my husband wore his tuxedo (I wore an evening gown with long satin gloves). My cousin was making fun of the bow tie. Like… it’s a formal event. How does he not know that a bow tie goes with a tuxedo if he got married in one…?
4. People say it’s not worth it because you only wear it once. Not true. A friend (70?) lives on a street with a lot of older people. They do this monthly “progressive driveway” where the home owner has a dinner party for the block, and every month it’s at a different neighbor’s house. Because everyone has that “one time use tuxedo” all their dinners are now black tie. How cool is that!?!? You can always make or find a reason to wear one.
5. Gatsby Roaring 20s theme party. He wore it to my mom’s 60th. I’ll probably use that theme more often, just to see him in his tux 😍
6. At a company masquerade Christmas party, he wore his tux and everyone was complimenting him for it. From male co-workers to his boss’s boss’s boss. 🥰
7. The following year, the company party was also a Gatsby Roaring 20s theme. He wore the same tuxedo and also got many compliments from everyone he spoke to. He’s MY arm candy 😊
Funny stories and I had to smile several times since I made similar experiences.
So here are my tuxedo stories.
1. I bought my first tuxedo back in 2014 when I made a business trip to Shanghai. I never before wore one or had the opportunity to do so. I have been living in Shanghai some years ago and already knew the tailor where I wanted to buy the tux. Knowing the low price for it, something around 100 Euro at that time, it was kind of a calculated experiment. So why not? Here in Germany the tuxedo is called "Smoking" due to its origins as a smoking jacket. So seeing a sign stating "No smoking!" in front of the stores entrance with a dummy wearing a tuxedo (Smoking) right next to it was a bit confusing for a second.
2. As said before I never wore a tuxedo before but when I put it on a few days later it just struck me how good I looked in it. Of course I had no idea how the details should look like and after some research on that topic I found out that some things had to be changed: silk stripes down the pants, buttons for suspenders and the pants length. At the end the alterations cost me the same as the tux itself.
3. Having a tux in the wardrobe is useless if you don't know how to tie a bow tie. I am usually considered to have a workable brain and some decent manual skills but learning how to tie a bow tie properly was quite a hard thing to do for me. I was surprized how much I wanted to learn this skill.
4. At a company Christmas party some years ago there was no dress code but I chose to wear my tuxedo. The location was located nearby the harbour of Hamburg, a bit fancy and I just wanted to wear my tux. Of course I was the only one and got lots of compliments for it. I also wore the tux for the following company Christmas parties and it was always the same. My boss sometimes has to wear a normal business suit but even he was not aware that this was not a normal suit but a tuxedo. He just realized that there was something different to the suits he was wearing from time to time.
5. With that experience I realized that almost nobody knew about black tie rules so I started to break or ignore them a bit. So I left the cummerbund at home and put on my blue Omega Seamaster 300. When my colleagues told me that I looked like James Bond and asked where I got my Walther PPK it opened up another occasion to wear the tuxedo: as a costume for a masquerade party.
6. At one occasion, again a company Christmas party, my mood was different and I chose to wear a suit instead of the tuxedo. That suit was made of a shiny gray fabric and usually draws some attention to it. When I entered the party almost everyone asked me why I didn't wear the tuxedo. It obviously took me only a few times to make the tuxedo my hallmark for that kind of occasions.
Bugs the hell out of me when people think steel bracelet sport watches are acceptable as dress watches. I guess that's just a sign of my getting old because it seems to be becoming the norm.
I think the defense of that will always be James Bond does it!
Noodle_Ra Dive watches look bad with tuxedos. James Bond in casino Royale set off a trend. Seems like another Tom ford type trend (like him forcing peak lapels on the public) that became overused.
@@caseyjonesbklyn5796 Your opinion! I think they look just fine if it's the right watch.
He Spoke Style oh that’s an autocorrect. Meant to say dive watches look bad with tuxedos.
I’m all for watches with tuxedos. Totally acceptable. A classy dress watch with a nice notch lapel tuxedo is the preferred look of the American gentleman.
@@caseyjonesbklyn5796 actually it predates Casino Royale. Connery wore a sport Rolex (with a striped grosgrain watchband no less) with a diner jacket in Goldfinger.
Appreciate the video, question though: does the bottom half of what you‘re wearing match the top half of what you‘re wearing?
Excellent question!!! What do you think?
I‘ like to think you‘re wearing boxers and beagle socks. Although more realistically I’d say sweat pants and slippers.
@@faridmahnad4985 You'll never know...
If it's a dinner jacket, then no. Otherwise, if it's a traditional tux, yes.
@@ghcheong he was probably asking about the stage for the recording.
Very nice review of the essential rules of the black tie uniform. Well done! My minor additions: #3a: A scooped, u-shaped vest is a more bespoke alternative to the cummerbund. #3b: Keep your jacket buttoned when standing-you're not supposed to see the vest or cummerbund. #8a: Make sure the fabric for the stripe down the side of your trousers matches the fabric of your lapel/tie-meaning, grosgrain with grosgrain lapels, not satin with grosgrain lapels. #8b: While plenty of guys wear double vents on a tux as the "modern take" you cite, the absolute classic look is ventless. #9a: Patent leather is far preferable to just a well-shined pair of ordinary dress shoes. The whole point of a black tie outfit is to be different from "regular" dressy clothes, and that literally means from top to bottom.
Thanks for chiming in!
Bruce, thank you for adding your comments. This video had me a little concerned about a tuxedo I purchased from two very reputable clothiers (Balani Clothiers & Judd Frost Clothier). I wanted to take a moment to reinforce your post in case there is anyone else that may have concerns about your comments.
My tuxedo's intended use is for my upcoming wedding, and continued use attending corporate galas in the Twin Cities. The clothier that supplies my Samuelsohn tuxedo strenuously objected to peaked and shawl lapels, and satin, stating the gross grain notched lapel is the most universal for all occasions and the emerging trend. They also strongly objected to cummerbunds, but fully support vests provided they are of the exact same fabric & style of the tuxedo coat & trousers. With regard to shoes, you described shoe selection almost exactly the way Balani Clothiers discussed shoes, which is where I purchased my shoes and studs. They supplied me with a custom version of the Magnanni Cesar which have a combination of patent leather toe and heel, and soft Napa leather on the vamp, with rounded toe cup. They are by far the most comfortable and eye-catching formal shoe I've ever found.
Love this one. I haven't been a black tie event yet so I need to come back to this video when its time.
Yes! Save it!
Note to self after watching this video: start seeking out black tie events to attend in 2021! lol. Like you, I LOVE dressing in a tux. Well done, once again.
Thanks so much, Ron. Really appreciate your continued engagement!
That was the most compact yet exhaustive take on Black Tie I've ever seen. Thanks, Brian.
I always do Black Tie wrong, but purposely so. I'm in my early 20s and really, there isn't any occasion unless I make it one. I don't even own a complete Black Tie set. But the tux blazers I do own fit me so well that I can easily work around the missing links. There's only one prerequisite: Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively. Your video certainly helps in that regard!
There you go! Wise beyond your years!
I like what you said but You need to add a few things. The jacket should hand no vent, the paints should have a matching galon, no belt loops, suspender buttons, and no back pockets.
I'm quite the rule breaker, but I agree all the way. Black tie IS a uniform and to break all rules ruins the entire point. It's time for your woman to shine, not yourself or other men. Great middle ground with the watch question too, but that's no surprise coming from you, Brian!
Thanks, as always, Demetrios! Appreciate the comment.
Should have been "cummerbund OR black tie appropriate waistcoat OR none of the above if the jacket is double breasted" (although the last exception should go without saying).
Apart from that minor detail: great video as always, Brian.
Cheers.
considering the absence of opportunity for white tie event, I would still keep the wing collar as an option, otherwise you never really get the chance to wear it.
Better to be overdressed than underdressed.
What I love about black tie and formalwear in general is that from silhouette and overall appearance, there is a uniform look but more personal details are just that. If you wear red enamel cufflinks, that's going to be the people close to you (physically and figuratively) notice. It's not screaming out to the world.
Getting tips on black tie event wear whilst in pyjamas is a rather strange feeling!!
Hahaha. Keep positive!
@@hespokestyle Haha all the best from the UK
I think the idea of wearing a dress watch with a Tuxedo falls within the rules. (Must be a Dress Watch)
Indeed. And time-only.
OK so not quite sure what your take on shoe is, you say a black Oxford is the least one can do, but that one should abstain from patent leather and loafers or slippers, so what's the sweet spot shoe then?
A simple black oxford well-shined. There are TONS of options and, honestly, there really aren't wrong options--just depends on the particular event. I personally like to wear my patent Belgian shoes most, and then if it's a little less formal, I'll do a velvet slipper.
For those venturing into the realm of Black tie events for the first time, this video is a well done primer on the basics. Whilst I understand Brian's endeavor to educate and equip new wearers of formal attire with all that they need, we must take into account that in 2022, even at holiday gatherings and weddings, athleisure has become the de facto order of the day. Despite what an invitation may read, one should always expect that there will be those who want to display their originality. We now live in an Instagram / Pinterest/facebook world where most people fancy themselves internet influencers, of some kind or another. Said reality now dictates that few will follow the rules set out in this primer. It's important to note, by the way, that there is no governing board or fashion police officer that will be enforcing said rules. If someone is rude enough to attempt etiquette shaming someone , then that person deserves the tongue lashing of ones choosing. Having said that, most, if not all, of the rules that are being espoused here were put in place at the height of America's gilded age and were filtered versions of antiquated Victorian era classicism. The gilded age, by it's very definition, was designed to expressly exclude those deemed undesirable by Mrs. Astor and social ladder climber, Ward McAllister. The question becomes, then, is it time to relax the practice of passing judgment on those who choose their own sartorial path, especially in a society where fashion trends democratize and lead our social experiences?
Standards and etiquette aren't classiest, its about holding yourself to a certain standard and doing what's objectively proper. E.g., mismatched lapels and bowtie materials are discordant and not aesthetically pleasing, or not observing buttoning etiquette will lead to an improper look and fit.
@@jamesrosewell9081 standards and etiquette are, by the very definition, classicist. They are rules and standards that were put into place by the upper class, not any lawmaking or governing body of any country. Looks and fit aside, the term upper crust and cream of the crop, we're designed as a way to differentiate oneself from another class.
I think formal dress is it’s own sort of democracy. It simplifies things.
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I am! 17 years active duty.
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You can wear a wing collar shirt with black tie its a classic and classy way to stand out and you can just do it look a pics for the 20's and 30's and more back and it was very normal back than they made the rules and you can wear it
Great video. But at least here in europe, wing collar is the lord classic way to go for black tie and so its perfectly acceptable :)
Very informative on the details. Calling for a video on how to tie a bow tie. Agree it looks better, but it takes a lot of practice.
My bow tie video is linked in the cards here!
@@hespokestyle 5:29 5:29
Brian, I enjoyed your video. I would add that nowadays there are high end slim fit rental tuxedos made of high quality worsted wools that are appropriate for black tie events. It’s a smart and less expensive alternative to purchasing a tuxedo for someone that rarely needs one.
Dressing up in black tie for my prom (if it happens). Thanks for the insight Brian!
That's the way to do it. I actually wore an off-white dinner jacket to my senior prom WAY back in 1995.
@@hespokestyle do you have any pics that you're willing to share?
Nicely done. Yes, the rules for winged collars changed seemingly in the 1950's and so now you'd be correct. However, they are not only acceptable but preferred for some period events. Wherein their usage would indicate a better grasp of the period style trends.
Very informational video! I wish some of my band colleague would have seen this video ages ago, I always feel out of place playing a concert with Balck Tie dresscode and being the only person on the bandstand in a half decent tuxedo. What fabric would you recommend for a tuxedo shirt? Something plain or something with a little more texture?
Poplin is a nice fabric for a tux shirt.
@@hespokestyle voile is better.
I'm going for my cousin wedding, thanks for this. Especially about the watch. You're very detail. 👍
Hey there, stumbled upon your video in trying to figure out what to wear for my wedding. Is it frowned upon to wear a black suit with a black bowtie rather than a tux? I don't want to shell out the dough for a tux and the rentals usually can't be tailored. That was the logic behind purchasing a custom suit. My wedding isn't a black tie event and is more casual.
Excellent video, Brian. I find it very straightforward and detailed enough so that I don't screw up my look again at a black tie event. Hopefully someday I'll get it "just right" (finally).. Many thanks.
I wouldn’t consider a wing collar to not be acceptable for black tie, it’s definitely not commonly seen in the modern world, but if you want to go for a more vintage look, it’s a great choice. It’s also a good way to stand out without breaking rules
As a self proclaimed strict rule follower what is your take on wearing midnight blue as a substitute for an actual black tuxedo? To be honest I cannot justify the purchase of a Tuxedo given I do not go to black-tie formal events.
Recently we were invited to a Black Tie Wedding! First of all, it’s a 1:00 afternoon Wedding,that in my book,isn’t a proper time to ask quests to dress Black Tie. My husband is turning 81 years old,myself 76 years old. We will be dressed very appropriate,for the time of day and Wedding of over 400 quests. My Husband has a double breast Dark navy,sports jacket/ grey slacks,pin striped/ navy white,and a very appropriate,matched scarf and tie. Dark or ox blood shoes. I have always been up to date stylish,my whole life,so No worry what I will look like. It will NOT be evening gown wear by any means,but something very fashionable.We are only going to the Wedding ceremony,because we had prior engagement for our 53 Wedding Anniversary.
On a roll these days Brian! A question, when in a pinch, what would be the best way to attend a black tie event if you don't own a tux? Best formal dark suit with a dark tie (and letting the host know beforehand I guess)? - Han
I think that would be acceptable.
@@hespokestyle Thanks for the feedback!
I don't know about people in other countries, but as a person in a semi-rural town in England I find that most charity shops(I think this equates to a thrift store), have a rather good variety of dinner suits, varying in size, quality and style. Often they are rather good deals. Also, most towns around the size of mine tend to have about 7 of these shops, so you'll usually find an acceptable dinner suit in an afternoon; I understand that fit is very important but I haven't had my dinner suit which I bought in one such shop and I'd say it fits well enough(I would have it altered but I'm not fully grown so it'd be a bit of a waste of money).
That was a bit of a ramble, sorry.
@@nateranger783 Thanks for the suggestion! Admittedly I have not properly checked out my local charity/thrift stores back when I was in Korea, so I cannot comment on what the quality and variety I could have found there. I do however, believe that most Koreans would have rented one when needed, as the only time one would wear a tuxedo is for their own wedding. Tux rental is usually thrown in for free with bridal dresses (anecdotally, people around me all rented theirs for their wedding). And unless one has an interest in menswear or is involved with a classical orchestra, I don't think there's really any other time we would be required to wear one and thus spend money on one. Of course, to reiterate, this is just what I have experienced personally.
Buying a tux isn't number 1 on my list right now, but I guess I'll keep an eye out when I visit thrift stores here in the States!
Will you ever check out ministry of supply products. I’ve always wondered if their price tag is worth the “new technology” they claim to have made. Thanks !
Not familiar with them at all.
great video man! i think i probably won't have to wear a black-tie outfit anytime, not that i can foresee haha. but always great to know the dress code! cheers!
There you go! Glad to deliver. Thanks for the comment.
Sweet tux! I need to get a new due to losing a lot of weight, thankfully. What’s your opinion on wearing a watch with a tuxedo? I’ve heard some people say that it doesn’t fit the occasion, at least because of inception/introduction of the tuxedo in social settings. I think it looks good with a formal/dress watch, personally.
Edit: haha, you answered my question as soon as I posted it!
No problem, Bruno. And congrats on the weight loss! No easy task. Well done.
Im not asked but i would advise using a pocket watch something classic a wrist watch is very informal with a tuxedo or white because its very easy to look at which implies you have better things to do
Now all we have to do is wait for the things to get normal 😂
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Wow fantastic video mate 🤜🤛🔥🔥🔥
Many thanks. Appreciate the comment.
I am sorry, but must disagree with some of the statements, presented in this video. Matching bowtie fabric to lapel facings is hardly a rule that ought to be strictly followed. If you have a bowtie that perfectly matches the lapels -- good for you, but if you don't, there's no need to worry about it, as long as the bowtie is in black silk, and (that is, indeed, crucial), is of the "self-tie" variety.
Notch lapels on a dinner jacket don't break any rules, but do look odd, and, considering that 90% of suit jackets and blazers out there (as well as most department store and rental tuxedos) have notch lapels, it's best to avoid them on a dinner jacket. Peaked lapels or a shawl collar make the dinner suit appear much more special.
Cummerbunds are not required. It's funny that you chose to show a picture of James Bond, considering that James bond almost never appears in a cummerbund in the film series. If one feels that a decorative waist covering is necessary, a low-cut silk waistcoat is a great alternative to the cummerbund. However, if one chooses to wear a waistcoat, he ought to make sure his trousers have a true high-rise, so that the shirt never gets exposed between the waistcoat and the trouser waistband.
Winged-collared shirts are considered incorrect in England, but I don't see why a high quality winged-collar shirt can't be worn, especially if the collar is detachable. However, one has to make sure that he's wearing it with studs and, either a low-cut waistcoat, or a double-breasted jacket. It's a very vintage-inspired look, which is not for everyone, but if done tastefully, and by someone who knows what he's doing, it can look great.
Finally, matching all the metals sounds like trying too hard. Does this mean that a set of silver cufflinks and studs can't be paired with a golden wedding band? This can certainly be a personal preference, but hardly a "rule".
All this being said, we can all have our opinions, as long as our opinions aren't based on ignorance. I find your channel to be one of the best men's wear channels! You have quite an impeccable taste and your attitude is always high class without a hint of pretentiousness. Good luck with everything!
Really appreciate that comment!
I'm with you-they should match. Yes, it's one of those small details (like having your formal shoes laces in the same fabric!), but that's why they say "God is in the details."
@@loarbmhs1 Appears too contrived and superfluous to me, but again, it's all a matter of personal taste. :)
I'm on a budget so I had to rent , I'm 6'7" and 300 pound but I went to my local gentleman's outfitters where they keep in stock my size due to me living in a strong rugby playing area .
Shoes are tricky as I'm a 14 and I do have some black shoes I havnt worn them. for a while as I have a new beautiful brown pair but you say that's a no no , hoping my old black pair will polish up good but after watching your vid I'm worried .
Trying to look a million dollars on a shoe string is going to be hard so wish me luck at a prestigious business awards 😓🙂
I have to attend black tie event in September 2022 and I don't own a tux. I went out shopping for a tux and none fit the look I desire. My budget is only $1500 for a whole tux which includes the shoes. What would be your best recommendation?
Just a couple that I thought would appear. Quite a big one I think - no clip on braces. It's the equivalent to the clip on bow tie, for children. Wearing a neck tie seems to be growing in popularity but I can't stand it personally. Seems to be very Hollywood. Oh, and don't take your jacket off! It's shocking how many men do halfway through the evening. Good video though, I agree with you
Thanks! Yes, like your addition of no clip-on braces.
Solid! Needed this! Thanks for the video! By the way, lovin’ the beard! 👌🏻
Sweet! Glad to deliver! Thanks for the continued support.
Why is it that we Americans cannot conform to the rules of black tie. When it comes to suits most Americans are very conservative, dressing outside the norm is frowned upon and many well talk behind your back. Now finally a black tie event is happening and everyone wants to break out by looking unique. I don’t get it. I am different, for black tie: I follow the rules, as for normal every day wear. I wear suits of all types of color and yes I am what you call a Dandy.
The grown Mush and Beard ties in the overall look rather nicely Brian #MINT
Thanks!
What if I reverse the colors of my tuxedo? jacket, dress pants, waistcoat, and bowtie all in ivory color matched with inner pleated shirt, pocket square, and patented leather shoes all in black.
of course I will wear this at a formal lunch party instead of dinner.
What bowtie goes with a Benedict Cumberbund?
Is this a joke I don't know the answer to????
@@hespokestyle Just a bad pun on Benedict Cumberbatch. I always thought that was a humorous name that would go well for a character in a Harry Potter novel.
Redford black tie The Sting or Legal Eagles . . . Which looks better?
Sting has the right lapel wrong shirt. Eagles has the right shirt, wrong lapel.
Absolutely marvelous and to the point, thank you for not wasting viewers time.
Thanks for the video as always. Very timely, actually. I prefer a formal waistcoat over a cummerbund, personally, but otherwise spot on.
Thanks, Daniel!
Maybe a dumb question (definitely a selfish question) I know you said no velvet or suede slippers, but what about whole cut leather slippers with a mirror shine (no bow, so not an opera pump - something like J. Fitzpatrick's laurelhurst without a medallion)?
I ask because as of now my fiancee and I are planning a wedding for fall 2021, that's been the plan since pre-covid (yes, it's our wedding and I can wear what I want, but would appreciate your ruling on this ;) )
I think those would look great. Very elegant.
@@hespokestyle thank you! I appreciate your response on this, I think I'll go for it...the only question left is black vs dark navy (since I'll likely be wearing a midnight navy tux). Luckily I have time to decide.
The J Fitzpatrick Laurelhurst without a medallion, in my opinion, is the best tuxedo shoe out there. And of course a whole cut with a nice shine is great. Certainly don't need patent leather (I would stay away from patent leather as it usually signifies rental tuxedo)
It is my understanding that black tie events are for all the men to blend in together..and for the woman they are with to shine
That's a good approach!
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Nice video Brian. I love these hyper specific videos as a lot of videos on more general topics by other men’s style creators cover things I’ve already heard a million times.
Many thanks! What, you don't want me to do a video on the 10 things women hate???!!!!
He Spoke Style HAHA there’s a reason you’re my favorite men’s style creator
What’s some good cologne for black tuxedos
Ask and you shall receive: ua-cam.com/video/HpAEoyMz89c/v-deo.html
He Spoke Style
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Love the video!! But which fragrances would you suggest for when wearing a tuxedo?
Doing that video next week!
He Spoke Style - Brilliant! I’ll look forward to it! 😀
Of the fragrances I own, I'd probably wear Bleu de Chanel
@@declan9601 Stay tuned!
While buying a tuxedo is probably better than renting one, I'm not sure that's a realistic option for most people, particularly since so few occasions call for black tie. I think it would be tough to justify buying a tuxedo unless I knew for sure there would be black tie events I would be attending on a fairly regular basis.
All I'm saying is that you won't ever regret having a tux.
Great video. What are your thoughts on waistcoats for black tie?
Definitely doable. Not my thing, personally, but they look great.
That's what I wear. Had it made as part of my bespoke tux. A subtle way to differentiate yourself from all the cummerbunds. But it has to have a scooped, u-shaped front. Under no circumstances get one that looks remotely like the vest you'd wear with a business suit.
Would you call it acceptable to go on a black-tie event in a Highland black-tie dress, aka Prince Charlie?
Wowwwwww that’s cool. Why was I on Mr. porter looking at that brand and was contemplating on getting it. Now I’m for sure ordering it. Thank you. Your watch collection is amazing. What do you think of the Omega Seamaster 300?
Cool watch. I like the older pre-Bond seamasters myself!
Thank you for the great, succinct advice! Do you have a video or advice for outer wear for cold month black tie events?
Ok so I’m going to a birthday party with a black tie dress code. Could I wear the slippers in that setting
James Bond did not wear a cumberbund in casino royale. What is the purpose of the cumberbund?
Hi I need help! I’m having my wedding in summer and the heat is deadly here in Australia, I feel like my groomsmen will want to wear sun glasses, how do I tell them not to?! Or is it possible to wear sun glasses (somehow)? Haha
First, congratulations!! The thing that I find tacky about how groomsmen look sometimes is that they’re too uniform. Everyone wearing the same sunglasses would look very contrived. If they want to wear sunglasses out of necessity, that’s cool-will look better if not squinting in photos-just don’t have them match. Good luck!
Tying a bow tie is literally like tying shoes. Not rocket science. Can’t understand those who aren’t willing to learn.
just an observation on #3, a low cut waistcoat is also fine
Wear a tux in the evening after 6 PM! That's the rule. I hate weddings where alle men wearing this during the day.
Thanks for the comment.
I know you got a double vent on your wedding tuxedo. Did you go with a double vent or no vent on your other tuxedo jackets? What about your dinner jackets? How do you feel about those. No vent or double vent ?
So, the tux I'm wearing here is by RL. It has a single vent. My Edward Sexton DB dinner jacket is no vent--wanted SUPER classic and old school. My burgundy dinner jacket from MAB--will be available when we launch the collection--is also a double vent.
Dang I just bought a black suit got a nice tuxedo shirt. Got a black vest and a bow tie.
You can wear a wing collar if it is the shirt from white tie that is a marcela and stif fronted starched single cuff with cufflinks
Please reply
I like the formal vest over the cummerbund because I have a belly and the cummerbund likes to move on me, but a waist covering is non negotiable
Perfectly acceptable. Thanks for the comment, William.
What about a silk bowtie with a satin lapel? There's a shine on both but the silk bow tie has a darker black shade
I watched the GQ tux expert video a while ago. I like what he said about watches something akin to "You shouldn't wear a watch in black tie, you should have nowhere else to be other that right there at that moment."
atomicvocabulary that’s a traditional black tie rule. But in America watches are perfectly acceptable. Watches with a tuxedo are like a notch lapel tuxedo. If you are an American then embrace your heritage. (The worst are the nerds who think watches are ok but notch lapels break the rules)
That's something people like to tout as a "rule" and a reasoning for it. I recommend checking out the other video I did that specifically addresses this topic.
I guess I'm a nerd in your expert opinion then.
He Spoke Style ha, yeah you are adopting style forum nerd tendencies with that view. “Break the rule on watches with tuxedos, but don’t wear notch lapels...”. Uhhh, prince Phillip is the best dressed of the royals and he is always wearing notch lapels. And if you are going to advocate breaking of one rule (watch is ok), but then say that the lapel has to be peak (which doesn’t look good on many people, and is certainly not a “rule”), well that type of inconsistency is wrong.
In America notch lapels are preferred and watches are acceptable. There is a reason why bergdorf, brooks brothers, Paul Stuart, Armani and other decent brands sell so many notch lapel tuxedos (they look better than the peak for many people, the peak looks like you’re trying too hard sometimes)
Hey Brian. I was wondering what brand are you using for your watch collection. The Abe of the box
It's by Wolf: bit.ly/2TdQDiy
When is a bow tie tucked under a pin point collared shirt?
I disagree with the wing collar, I think they look very good with black tie as well as white tie. I rather like the idea from the Gentlemen's Gazette of wearing the waistcoat and starched shirt from white tie with the rest of a black tie ensemble, however I wouldn't really want to do the white waistcoat myself. I'd say the problem with the starched wing collar would be that a lot of people find them uncomfortable, I don't find it uncomfortable but that's just me. I agree with the rest of the video but am slightly confused by the 'Don't be creative unless specified otherwise' sort of statement, do I have a rather strict definition of creativity or would that mean that an odd dinner jacket or midnight blue dinner suit would not be acceptable in your opinion?
Thanks for the comment, Nate! If it's strict black tie, I would not wear an odd dinner jacket. A midnight blue tux would be okay, IMO.
@@hespokestyle I would agree, also thank you for your quick response, but I don't really know how to gauge how strict an event would be. I know the general rules for velvet slipper wearing but do you have any advice on gauging the formality? Other than specifically asking the host, which would of course work.
Why cummerband when we can also wear dinner vest?
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Basil Mathai he already cut the beard, if u follow his ig you can see he did it.
Thanks for following on IG!
Gone already, unfortunately.
Awesome video as always Brian, what is your take on a vest with a tux? Should it match the rest of the tux or can it be made from another fabric, maybe satin? Hahaha, don't want to get too creative, just curious.
It's not really a style I've worn myself but I think it looks nice. It should be in the same fabric as the tux.
I'd not say that wing collars aren't acceptable and only used for white tie. They just look at bit more old fashioned and you stand out of the crowd wearing them.
Yeah, bit of a grey area there, for sure. Anyways, better to be overdressed rather than underdressed. The gents in the Sting look just fine!
@@hespokestyle They absolutely do
I make ties.
Is there any way you can use them for any occasion.
You look great - and thanks for as always valuable information!
Many thanks! Appreciate the comment and support!
Great video. Just wondering, whats your opinion on navy tuxedos?
Many thanks. Midnight blue also a great option.
is midnight navy or black preferred? Can midnight navy go anywhere a black tuxedo can go?
@G G Thanks!
I don't care, I love wing collar
Great content, Brian. My dinner suit is bespoke double breasted and pristine in spite of being more than 70 years old. Because of the jacket style and the fact that the suit was designed to be worn with button fastened braces, I don't wear a cummerbund with it. Right or wrong?
for the tuxedo studs and cufflinks, am i able to wear mother of pearl instead of the usual black onyx? i am just thinking for my upcoming wedding. or is that a purely white tie event thing? thank you
Black tie dress is the absolute best look for a man. I agree no fake ties, buy a real bow tie and learn how to tie it. It is easy. A proper dress shirt , studs and cuff links. Great video as always. I wear a dress watch black strap.
Thanks, Stephen. What's your go-to black tie watch?
@@hespokestyle Hello an Cartier Tank
Stephen Williams Cartier tank on a black strap is a perfect tuxedo watch. The tank has such an elegant look.
@@caseyjonesbklyn5796 Agreed. Changed your tune?!
He Spoke Style ha. No, that other post had an autocorrect. It says five watches don’t look good, was supposed to say “dive watches” don’t look good with a tuxedo. I’m all for the watch and tuxedo. I embrace my American heritage.
Could I wear black Balmoral boots with a tuxedo or do they have to be shoes?
I wouldn't, personally.
Wouldn’t those boots go great with a suit instead?
I think that I've seen a couple times recently in tuxedo that I lshe knows that I like is maroon or burgundy burgundy shirt with black lace ( having a blouse like maroon with black lace look) paired with a bright Royal blue jacket and pants.
I love your videos they are very detailed but I have a question... Can I get a satin cuff on my double breasted suit or is the satin cuff mandatory and also can I get a 2inch hem on my pants like the one you get on your custom suits. I did that recently and I am loving it they provide more character and edge to the suit.
Tux trousers should be plain bottom. What do you mean satin cuff? Like a cocktail cuff on the jacket? (I did that on my wedding tux.) If that's what you're talking about, it should match the fabric of the lapel.
@@hespokestyle Yess that is what I am talking about and how thick should the cocktail cuff be? Thank you ♥️
If someone wants to wear a loafer. Do a opera pump instead, more classic and very comfortable! Also wear that with white tie as well, anything else doesn’t really look good.
Please I don't understand anything
I loved the details and explanations of the rules. I have a black tie event in October, so this info was spot on. Especially about the watch!!
The socks should be over the calf aswell.
I WOULD LOVE TO USE TUXEDO ON RANDOM ACCATIONS