Rans S21 VS Carbon Cub FX3
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This friendly face off between Scott and his Carbon Cub and Mark with the Rans S21 demonstrates some of the key features of each aircraft. Let us know who you think won the STOL competition!
Flown both, I think the Rans will fly slower, faster and land and take off shorter at least the one that I flew. Carbon nicer build quality, but man that's a lot of money. Both good machines, neither are Skywagons though...
I agree on all points.
Rans will not fly slower than a cub…. Faster for sure.
@@Captndarty the one I flew I was coming down the gate in the high 30’s felt fully controllable. I’ve flown the FX3, EX and EX2. Didn’t seem like I could fly approach speeds that slow but I didn’t take them to the limit.
@@joshualorenz4665my S21 stalls at 41kias several cubs I fly around with are in the low 30’s…
Two excellent aircraft !
Yes they are.
I like the Rans better. All metal, side-by-side, cheaper, and looks better.
Thank you.
I have reached out to Mark on this aircraft. He currently has a deposit on it. Very interested if the deal doesn’t work out.
Definitely Scotty. + he's so good looking. @8:50 "just fly the plane"
Side by side is the way to go unless you don't like your passenger. Flying is for sharing the joys of the view from above(not your terrible neck hair line)
Side by side with camping gear in the back.
It is hard to argue with the value of the all metal Rans. Thanks for the side-by-side.
All metal baby, yes.
And the phone makes its appearance after being gone for so long.
First ever telephone cameo from Don the Camera Guy!
Yes, Don. Make sure it's off, ha ha ha
Both GREAT planes! I would think the S21 is a bit lighter than the Cub, but would think the Cub is much sturdier looking, and love the modern ignition system! Of course, the Cub is probably about twice the price or more than the S21. I'd be happy with either one! Thanks Mark! Great video (yet again!)
Thank you.
Love that you got yourself a Rans. The skylight though wonderful is very hot. Kroger sunshades makes a model just for the S-21. I bought on for mine. It’s a game changer. And you can fly with the doors open. Flight manual from Rans says slow below 65 and open don’t exceed 100. My experience says 75 for open max they start to float after that. Again congrats on the Rans
It's only mine for a while. Remember I buy planes to sell them.
IMO the Cub takes off a tad shorter, but the Rans lands shorter. I prefer the tandem config due to about 400 hrs in a Super Decathlon. Left hand for throttle and right for stick is the only way to go!
I was very surprised how easily it was to adapt to the left stick right throttle. (like a Cirrus, in which I have one hour)
Both excellent airplanes
Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
Please please can you do a video on that 550 180! Would love to see a detailed review and that and see your opinion on the extra weight in the nose.
There is nothing on UA-cam and it would be awesome!
I would but it is not here. The 550 does not weigh much more than a 520 or a 470. The three blade that comes with most 550 conversions is a bit heavier. They wheel land beautifully with a bit of weight up front.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 thanks Mark! Appreciate it. I enjoy the videos and appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
The SS Carbon Cub, along with the EX with the 340 engine, take off and land shorter than the FX3. The weight of the 363(50 lbs heavier) along with the CS prop weight, effect performance. The FX3 takes a bit of power to keep the nose up on landing due to the weight.
Absolutely no way the CC FX3 is 950 lbs empty weight. At least 100-125 lbs heavier.
Fun stuff! Thanks gentlemen!! and no, I’m not going to pick sides!
Bush planes in my neighborhood, how cool! I've always been a fan of all things "cub". I've watched some videos of Rans builders and I'm impressed by "all metal" and particular the tail configuration with the elevator that runs all the way across.
Now I have a Husky here. Maybe we should get Juan Brown over and see how that goes with the Rans.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Perhaps a local STOL competition? I'd love to see one in person! BTW...Thanks for all the informative videos. You've taught me a lot about one of my favorite interests.
I had to be low key and informal because otherwise we'd be running about on the runway with tape measures and that would be frowned upon. A dry lake some where would work though.
Full build series of an S-21 here:
youtube.com/@outbound300
I flew a Rans S-21 with a 915 for quite a bit prior to the start of my build. I am at higher altitude (5637’) and my takeoffs were similar to yours. I measured yours at about 450 and 400’ and about the same stopping. Those are pretty much what I was getting at KHCR. I saw your pickup flight and plane description and sent it to my buddy who is in the market for a plane. That 21 is nicely built. The one I flew had the 30’ wing (early edition) and in my opinion the “production” planes with the 28’ wing is not nearly as good
It's a great plane that Rans.
Mark has got some pilot skills
liked em both! ty :)
Awesome! Thank you!
Excellent demo - both very nice and too close to call.
Very close. Nod to mark on landings
Excellent.
I thought that Cub just towered over the S-21. A few inches wouldn't make that much of an impression.
Bigger tires and longer ACME gear.
Yup, you guys won! Mark did better on his 2nd take off but floated the landing - in any event; better I could have done. You guys are both on the small side or those planes are bigger than I thought. Those big tires are making them look bigger too.
We are both about 5,10. The bigger tires do give them a lift.
Both are outstanding. I'd go with the lower cost model and use the savings for more flying time.
Wise.
... and...like in good old times... the telefon ring and ring, again!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Like the old days and not planned.
I love every comparison you do and that you actually fly them.
We do when we can.
Seems to me both air frames have very little time on them given their age
Low timers. It's what preferred.
Great piloting all around, the toughness of the engine is impressive, from idle to full throttle all the time...
Couldn't agree more
Better performance propeller on the S 21.
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Doubtful--they're both constant speed and the CC has a Trailblazer. Cubs are very draggy.
Great comparison and super fun video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Mark.
You are very welcome
Good fun !
It was great.
Acme 💥 -- loved it!
Zaephyrs ... Genius!
Loved it too.
First comment
Very good
7:01 hell yeah! That's the only reason to cut Scott! we do it "live" like men! Impressive job picking your spot Mark, I think the cub just does a better full stall landing and being done flying. You did what looks like a nice tail low wheeler. Are they both cables for Flight controls?
Yes, both cables. I could have done with better brakes. I was down and braking for ages.