Is Modern Sports Card Investing DEAD?!
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2023
- We take a spin around the sports card world and look at the prices for: Justin Fields, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovailoa, Wander Franco, Shohei Ohtani, and Elly De La Cruz.
Is modern sports card investing dead??
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I'm still buying Franco RCs.
Innocent until proven guilty, and there hasn't been any new information on the case in 3 weeks. If there was something there it would be all over the news every day
They didn't have anything in Bauer and he's still blackballed
IT'S NOT WHAT WE SEE ABOUT WANDER.. IT'S WHAT WE DON'T SEE..AND THAT'S.. WANDER AT SS!
@@bgutty5945 That was a totally different situation. Bauer is a weirdo who likes to donkey punch girls until they're unconscious. This is extortion.
i got some cool wanders if your interested, dugout peeks rc and more
I thought about purchasing wander, glad I didn’t
Collectibles typically become valuable when they originally weren't supposed to have value as investments (see vintage cards). Modern cards are mass produced now and marketed as valuable investments. That worries me a bit.
Anything that starts out as a collectible won’t be.
Exactly
@@michaelroot1960fine way to put it👍
Very intelligent my friend.
Yea if you're "investing" in modern cards you're already losing.
when Geoff says "What this tells me is...." you know some super dumb shit is gonna come out of his mouth...
Modern is a ridiculous gamble. Best to stick with vintage HOFers.
Or just accept that the majority of your big cards are really just worth a few hundred at most and be fine with making an honest living selling at those prices rather than the get rich quick mentality that these influencers try to emulate.
@@peopleintreesscum bags… the lot of them
People been investing in prospects for over 70 years. Only difference is back in the days, only kids were investing, not millionaire Wall Street hedge funds. Kids were investing $10 , hoping one day it will be $100. Those were average investments. Wall Street ruined the hobby for the kids
@@sting114it’s not ruined. It’s alive and well
Vintage cards are trash. Y’all overpay for particles of a card and card that look like it spent a night with a $2 hooker.
This reminds me when I invested in Todd Van Poppel....lol 😂
Van Poppel is a great buy if looking for guys with an under 6 ERA
"Is modern card investing dead?".....god, i hope so. I'm ready for collecting to be affordable again.
Amen brother!!! Honestly blaster boxes and maybe mega boxes are better worth buying then solos being near 10bucks
@@jonathanbanks4427 I dont bust anything anymore. I just buy singles that I like for my collection.
What is really crazy is that Will Grier is actually now 4x better than Murray because of your videos :)
Yeah I was shocked couldn't believe it😂
All you have to do is walk into any card show to see that the modern sports card market is dead. Outside of the vintage booths, every one of the "modern" ones look identical. A few cases with a rotating collection of 30-40 players across all major sports, in a variety of colors and "limited numbered" varieties, virtually none of which are selling. Then there's the stacks of 4,000 count boxes filled with based and "color" cards of 98% of players going for anywhere from 10-25 cents each, and every one of those dealers will jump at an offer to take a box off their hands.
Last show my GF wanted to buy some UNC players for her nephew for his birthday, and a guy had a thousand count box of nothing but UNC players (mostly basketball, but some other sports). $40 and we were off. Base, numbered, color cards....
100%, majority of card show tables are identical.
@@johnwayne9828its unsellable crap too
Correct. Just a bunch of little twats that have been running out of other peoples money hyping up the latest 3,000 count prism parallel of a overhyped rookie. I'll stick to manning and other proven HOF's ...although dealers are still listing even those for 2021 highs still lol
@@johnwayne9828 went to a show a few months ago and there was one guy who went all in on grading. He had 3 entire tables with nothing but graded Coby White cards for $5-$10 each. Just depressed dude who said "I just want out". Went back towards the end of the show and it didn't look like he'd sold a single one, which was extra painful because the show was 10 minutes away from where he played college ball.
Ultra Modern collecting was fun in the 80’s/90’s as you speculated on a player for $10, $15, $25. If he was a bust, it wasn’t the end of the world. Now you are spending hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars on prospecting so you have a lot more to lose if he is a bust.
It was like that up until this most recent boom. Prospects were treated as such and most value was in established guys. I can remember buying cody bellingers 2015 bowman chrome auto for 25 when he was a prospect(an mlb top 100 prospect).A comparable prospect auto now would be hundreds. It just makes no sense.
The constant troll of Geoff brings me joy.
I've been saying for 2 years now, that more than 50% of the people in this hobby have more knowledge in Pokémon, then they do in actual sports. most of them have never even played a team sport or laid 4 or 5 figures on a football game. but they get behind guys like Justin fields slap a 3k sticker on his card and pretend he's like a Charizard LMAO.
It will be another 20 years again before another boom in sports cards,the 1990’s all over again
That's fine. Give the hobby back to the collectors for a decade or two.
good thing im just a collector who enjoys collecting "my guys" and could care less about the value, Im just here to enjoy the hobby
Smart man frank
If I was ever gonna spend 25k+ on a card, you best believe I would be spending it on players like Mantle, Ruth, MJ, TB12......etc. No way I'm spending 25k+ on unproven baseball players!!!
It is dead in my area,some sort card shops have closed and Walmart has boxes in clearance section
As a pure Ohtani collector I'm enjoying the correction
Exactly. All this terrible news for investors is great for the true collectors
I just pulled a black eclipse Supernova Ohtani numbered 10 of 10. Def hanging on to it for a while. I'm not trying to sell in a dip.
@@johnm1008100%. We taking back control of the ship.
gas is back to 5 bucks a gallon and everything is up so high that i just don't see how prices can stay anymore elevated even after the big drop the last 2 years
The only people who deserve to suffer are the card printing companies. I’ll never forget the amount they were charging for a box of cards… literally cardboard squares
SPORTS CARD RADIO IS GOOD FOR THE HOBBY
These cases are getting out of control.....with the prices
People were so high on Justin Fields that I was able to trade 2 Mosaic Blue & Yellow PSA 10s Fields for a Patrick Mahomes Bronze Rated Rookie PSA 9 POP 40 😂😂
Low numbered … vintage pre 1975 … GOAT’s … certified autographs of future HOFERS.
Bought a rare graded card for $9.50 last night. The grading companies need to reduce the fees to $3 per card.
Pitchers throw debut players a ball down the middle of the plate on their first plate appearance. Batter hits a homerun.. everyone go wild.. then comes the curve,slider, change-up and these young guys are brought back down to reality. 😊
Sports cards. The perfect hobby for gamblers, people with addiction issues, and those suffering from ADHD.
At least I didn't invest in Ben Simmons card.
See this Justin Gamble Gamble guy.
Check, check, che.. bruh..
Not sure about investing, but if my last months sales are any indication, the answer is yes.
It’s nice seeing a realist who doesn’t blow smoke up your ass to hopefully boost their cards with their influence. Love this channel!
everything is dead in a recession
I love how all the comments here seem to think declining sports card prices exists in a vacuum, completely unrelated to macro economy at large. Sports cards are down because the dollar is down and inflation is up, end of story.
Zach Wilson 3 interceptions. So glad I was smart enough not to jump on that train. These new collectors need to realize for every Tom Brady there’s a cohort of busts like Joey Harrington, Heath Schuler , David Klingler, Todd Marinovich, Jake Locker, etc…
@@ScaryTerryCards I did lol
Dont forget ryan leaf
@@riptits2894 Yep, and Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Plummer, Christian Ponder, Browning Nagle, Dan Macgwire, etc…
I don't know if I'd include Jake the Snake with all those other (rightfully) ones you listed. Plummer isn't a HOFer by any stretch, but he made some pretty bad Cardinals teams look average and when he got to Denver Mike Shanahan used him well. He retired pretty young if I'm not mistaken. I don't know, I put Plummer in the Alex Smith category, middle of the road, solid QBs.@@michaelroot1960
@@mikemclintock3893I’d go along with that.
I still have no idea how Fields, who was TERRBILE last season, managed to become a valuable card. It's crazy. I'm not sure these "investoprs" actually watch sports, I think they literally might base their opinions off of fantasy football scores. In general I find it laughable that someone would rather invest in cardboard that is artificially scarce and extremely volatile when you can buy stocks, gold, real estate, etc.
As for your next baseball golden boy, Jackson Holliday, Dylan Crews, and Wyatt Langford are my front runners for who the hobby picks (which hurts as an LSU fan who wants to collect Crews and Skenes lol)
I’m saying yes. Even JRod and Witt RC’s are down a good amount and they never sophomore slumped!!!
The card market has down indeed
Bought a Kawhi Leonard prizm rookie that is BGS Gold 10 pristine for under 430 dollars.
Love being a collector and seeing the "investors" eat their own words. Vintage will always be the best way to go, and things are great for actual collectors in even modern cards. Go get some players your granpa talked about, get retired players cards, defense cards
Im currently trying to get every 1950s giants rookie card in a 4-8 grade. Way more fun chase than a DT
Vintage is the true investment.
As a life long collector I am tired of listening to this new wave of collectors act like cards should go up and down almost daily based on the players performance . We’re so reactionary people want to declare a guy a star or write him off based on one game. Card collecting shouldn't be like playing daily fantasy and if we are leaving the pandemic card boom and entering a more normal market. Its not going to be that way . Just my opinion
Modern cards is simply gambling. As a lifelong collector myself; I have never even thought of buying any modern cards; just no interest at all because I'm not into gambling and don't really like today's players like I liked the players of my youth. When I was young, we simply loved cards. We'd buy packs and I'd hope to get a Willie Mays or a Willie McCovey and I had friends who loved Aaron and Clemente. If I got an Aaron and Clemente and they got a Mays; we'd be psyched and trade. Now today it's all about patches or 1 of 1's or whatever and it's just a money thing. Like buying a lottery ticket. Anyway I think card collecting is alive and well and glad there are still a lot of collectors of vintage. And really have no problem with the modern card gamblers and a lot seem to be having fun even if losing.
@@888strummer while i agree with you mostly let's be honest if modern cards were still all just base it would be boring as hell. But yes anything past about 2012 is just overprinted and especially 2020 an above
@@kT-ci1ke I get your point and agree with you, but it's just funny how different the times are. Younger collectors today don't realize that a lot of us older vintage collectors who collected as kids; didn't associate money with cards until the late 1970's when they began rising in price. I bought my first pack of cards in 1969 when they were 5 cents for 5 cards. We only bought to get our favorite players; there was no association with money or value. So it was a different world back then. Then in the late 1970's; out of nowhere really; baseball cards began exploding in price and suddenly everything changed and money became part of collecting cards. But either way is fine and I like seeing younger people enjoying cards.
Helloooooooo Sports Card Radio!!!
Cards are like cars. People want the brand new stuff or the classics.
Witt and julio are quietly showing they are absolute studs. Even luckier, they aren't in 18 million sets like wander since they got held out for update.
Buy smarter.
Normal people: "this is a red apple"
Geoff Wilson: "I am ridden with confident that when I tell you this enormous News, I am 85.5% confident that THIS juicy, delicious, organic APPLE, that I personally picked from a beautiful pile of other delicious apples in one of my favorite supermarkets, IS in fact and convincingly RED."
I like modern cards of vintage players, such as Mike Schmidt. I've picked up some auto-cards, patch cards, etc. But no way will I collect modern cards of modern players. Slot machine stock market in action.
A market can not sustain itself by paying more for potential over production.
A market of greed and gambling never ends well
This is why you don’t ever break the bank chasing modern players, if you do just go for singles and go for the mid end stuff, it’s safer than losing an arm and a leg on crazy prices.
'Investing' in any collectible is based on the 'Greater Fools Theory'.
So true. One day my cards will double in price and they will be worth half of what I paid for them. Ha ha
Yup you nailed it
Mostly
People who "invest" in anything that falls under a non-AC umbrella, need to understand what speculative arbitrage is... That's what trading cards are...
Thats true of literally every non traditional asset, not just sports cards. I dont think I've seen the term 'greater fool theory' used more often than I have in this hobby over the past 9-12 months....meanwhile there's more interest, corporate investment and activity in the space than at any other time in history.
Roger Staubach, Bart Starr, Ken Stabler, Joe Montana, Lawrence Taylor, Jerry Rice,
The guy who bought that red Ohtani for $154k is docu signing his divorce papers right now.
so glad I collect wrestling cards
👍I've been exclusively baseball for 30 years but got into collecting wrestling the last 6 months. Building up a rowdy roddy piper collection.
Me too. I love collecting wrestling cards. Way less competition on eBay.
Just love it when sports card radio uploads! So much great content !
C'mon Burrow should be in route to a dip. These dudes aint even close the Megastar that Ohtani is, the jappanesse Babe Ruth!
Oh no. Honey, we have to shop at Family Dollar for a few weeks because I blew our Whole Foods budget on Justin Herberberberber.
Yes it is, there is no past or future only the present
Exactly
Now may be a good time to buy..."takes out dart board and throws dart at players pictures on dart board..."
Always invest in Hall of Famers and "soon-to-be" HOFers. That's it.
Cards aren't investments
@@ourtradingcards I agree with you. You and I both know a Tom Brady and Brock Osweiler don't hold the same weight.
@@rozilla66 People need to realize that investing means it has to have a tangible purpose, or be connected to something thereof. It has to have an effective utility. It cannot be in a non-AC industry.
What it is...
Is speculative arbitrage. People call it "investing" because if you say that word... everyone understands it...
Tua is one bad concussion away from never playing again
It is not dead, but it is increasingly difficult. In my opinion, Bowman First cards offer the best speculative investment in the hobby.
Modern wax is dead. The Babe Ruth and Roberto Clemente Bowman's first cards that were produced this year prove my point. Companies are running out of ideas to make money.
Hobby influences pumping and dumping needs to stop
As I've said--Justin Herbert is a poor man's Kirk Cousins
I got lucky and sold out of my Justin Fields rookies a few months before the season started. I am not sure if it's the scheme or just the fact that he is a limited passer at the end of the day but I can't make excuses for the guy anymore.
His receivers are not very good. That's a huge part of successful quarterbacks. 1 great receiver can make an average qb, at least above average. Look at Kirk Cousins with Minny. With Jefferson he's average or maybe even slightly above average; maybe 14th best qb. Without Jefferson, he'd be maybe 23rd best qb. And what would Burrow be if had the Bears Mooney, Claypool and DJ Moore instead of the Bengals Chase, Higgins and and Floyd?
In my opinion, Captain Kirk can be better when put into offense that fits his playing style. Jalen and Lamar are RPO all day. Heck even Pat, Josh and Daniel are RPO. Captain Kirk is just good ole style sit back and throw QB. He can work well in many offense in NFL. So yeah, hopefully Jets pick him up. And if so, I think he will succeed. Also, I dont think RPO is the best for NFL. Look at Brady. He wasnt RPO but damn his O line had great protection and brady had eyes on back of his head. Yes WRs matter but so does OL. OL probably more. If you provide pass block the longest, more time for WR to get open. So yeah, Offense tailor to QB is a make or break system. Fields has more upside right now than Trey Lance. Give it time and more reps and see who can hang in the NFL.
Wake me up when Ohtani cards drop below 2k. Id love to see a marker movers/card ladder chart of Ohtani's first Bowman PSA 9 over the last 6 months
Justin Fields is SOOOOO BAD the Bears should consider calling Mitch Trubisky back 😂
I was going say Jay Cutler 😅
@@shermhart7617 😆
I just got my PSA 9 Will Grier for $6 and it came with a bonus Deion Sanders finest, I'll take lol
Justin Fields reminds me of my high school qb
Very entertaining and informational
Fields is a poor poor man's kordell Stewart.
The ticker on the bottom the last couple videos is so underrated
"Is modern sports card investing dead?"
I sure hope so! It's a hobby, not an income stream.
Another great video!!!!
Tua! Sold my 2020 panini encased /25 9.5 card for $1000 last week
That triple dip on Ella was hilarious 😂
the only fools are the ones who keep using geoff wilson pic when it unrelated.
I don’t think it’s dead I just think people need to halter expectations
According to the great investors there hot. Ask mojo thinks cards are winners. I wish he will be honest to kids. 😊
In all seriousness, who tf would put real money into Fields lmao
I have sold off almost all my collection. Keeping a handful of cards, mainly Jordan and Brady. The hobby sucks, the card companies are dogshit and 95% of the people in the hobby are trash humans.
Larry Bird, Magic, TW and Albert Pujols. Best upside in the hobby.
How’s those Justin Fields cards looking after week 2 😂🤣…
I could easily debate its easier now to profit in modern than ever before.
Love the Ports hat
Cards aren't much of an investment anyway its just a high risk gamble that will end in pain for most people. Plain and simple. Just look at the fools buying expensive cards these are all people that don't have a clue in life. Just collect and have fun.
Hence the increase in Jordan values again. More and more people are leaving modern and going back to HOFers and GOATs
Everyone better stop wasting money on modern sports cards and start paying 3x retail for the new Disney crap. That's gonna be better than gold!😂 FOOL's GOLD!
Hope you sold your Elly cards, he is a good player, but since that first month or so in the bigs his numbers have fallen. BEst young player on the Reds is Matt Mclain
Juan Soto is looking nice.....especially if he will get the hell out of San Diego to the Yanks or Phillies
Fields was garbage last year to but the long highlight runs had a bunch of people blinded to it apparently. Guy always sucked at QB at NFL level.
Has anyone found a way to short the sports card market yet?
Trout, Wander, Ohtani, Elly - too many noobs being burned too quickly.
sportscard bubble just starting to pop. only super-super stars or hall of fame players rookie cards will hold value.
One more hard hit to tua and his cards go from gold to mold.
You remember Terry Bridgewater! Don't forget about Terry Bridgewater! He went to the Pro-Bowl! The Pro-Bowl!
All those cards were dead in the water cheap back in the day for peanuts and they are cashing in on them now u will never see a profit on the market now it's at a high and going down fast its a joke the only ones getting rich are the company's!!! Lol
Yep. Esp when you can just buy Apple call options. Yesterday alone buying the 177 strike at $78 bucks and selling them at $280...
Bubby Brister rookie cards are increasing every day!!!!!! Along with Art Schlister of Course...
😂😂😂bubbys the man. Actually got his autograph through the mail during his playing days. Hes the only guy to sign my card, then sign the return envelope as well.
I mean, dont thin k looking at only the upside is a bad thing. Its a pretty common stock tactic; if the potential gain is better than the loss, its a good hedge.
Card is not a stock tho. With cards of you're not buying it for enjoyment then its just a risky dumb gamble. Not saying you can't occasionally make money tho!
If u HAVE to buy modern cards, the only way to profit later is to find a local "seller" in your community, who sells hot blasters & megas for 30-50% off. Get as many at that discount & save most of the chrome stuff. Knowing what you best card is from each player is huge when that ceiling comes at you, 2-5 years later.
Case, Case! FLEEEER! Let's Go! People sure picked the wrong Reds rookie.....all hype and S1 for 2024 will be a waste of money. I don't own nor plan to own any Herbert, mut man I enjoy watching him. Thanks!!!
If you invest into "cards" you have a problem , collect what you like. If you "invest" go for the old schools
Yep it definitely has. A few people circulating amongst themselves
Angels first said that they'd be willing to trade Trout if he asked for it then they announced that they would entertain trade offers
We can hope
Wait…. Are you telling me a 2022 bowman card that has been graded 4500 times with 3000 psa 10s went down…… say it isn’t so
Danny Dimes is the buy. Did ya dip Daniel?
Gone from making $18k per month to zilch
Nice "cig burn" 2:42