Grats on completing the challenge, and thanks for all the links! My hometown managed to challenge 59 books including _Slaughterhouse 5_. I guess the silver lining is that it makes the challenge easy. I guess the real challenge is to make the challenge nostalgic instead of necessary.
I've read Fahrenheit 451, Jaws, Stranger in a Strange Land, Killing Joke, Salem's Lot and Night and cannot think of how or why they'd be banned. The people banning probably have not even READ these books, or possibly ANY books at all so they should not be telling you or me what to do. Despicable.
I completely agree with you about banned books. I would love to join you and MJ and Pat but I have a tiny problem: using the books from the list you put up I have either already ready most of them OR have absolutely zero interest in a good chunk of the others. Jude the Obscure I will definitely read (I never have) had no idea it was banned!! I will see if I can find any others on the 'bad' list and work on those.
If you like classics, a good source of banned books is the Index the Vatican used to compile for catholics in fear for their reading souls. On Wikipedia, there is an article with some of the most known authors on the list: List of authors and works on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum. Note that when it says « all love stories », it’s a bad literal translation for novels or basically any work of fiction. Among others, all the great French authors are there: Diderot, Rousseau, Stendhal, Sand, Balzac, Dumas, Flaubert, Zola…
I'm with you on this - totally wholeheartedly, but I don't want to add Fable to my social media activity - there's already too much social media in my life hahaha - The Sherman Alexie book is brilliant, I think. Persepolis is one of the best books I read last year.
I can imagine that book banning must be a clear violation of your 1st Amendment right to free speech. It doesn't matter what you read, but how you read.
I guess some people think the 1st Amendment might cause freedom of thought if the right books was put before the right set of eyes and mind. Great stuff to me, but still lots of folk fear it.
Hold up? Vampires are fantasy creatures? 😨 Are you going to tell me Santa isn’t real either?!?! Fantastic video and great job smashing the challenge and being so outspoken on this important issue.
I mean the issue with gender queer is the Blow job illustrations and the fact the book was turning up in elementary school libraries. The book wasnt meant for U18 people in fact the author even said this, but it managed to slip through the cracks and wind up in a few. An issue arose when parents found out and some of the schools kinda doubled down on it. Also it while it did pop up in a few elementary school libraries it wasnt that many. About 3 in my province actually admitted it was in their library, 2 removed it 1 doubled down. Theres thousands of schools in my province less that 1%. Totally blown out of proportion. Yet i understand why patents dont want such graphic novels in specifically elementary school libraries. Belongs more in a high school library in the senior section
When I was in high school (the early 80s) I read books with explicit sex scenes more graphic than Gender Queer. At least in the written format. Graphic novels weren't a thing back then. No body said a word or attempted to restrict my reading choices. Even back then I found some sex scenes not to my personal taste. I stopped reading those. No harm, no foul. I would give the kids today the same courtesy. Let them discover what turns their wheelhouse.
Fabulous video. I totally get you. I am currently reading "strong men" and I'll review it on my little channel. It's about how fascists gain power and how they are taken down. Thanks for the great ideas.
@@Barklord I never tried to read it myself. But when I worked at Borders Books in the 90s we occasionally got requests to special order it from the publisher. The package came with some extra material like bumper stickers that were hateful and nasty,
@@anotherbibliophilereads I was surprised that the American book banning map doesn't neatly match the current political polarization. New York has many school districts with banned books. Also, The Turner Diaries is banned in Germany (not a surprise) and Canada, but not in the US. Wisconsin and Iowa ban much more than Minnesota and the Dakotas. It seems like it might depend on specific activism rather than party politics.
I had trouble finding turner diaries. Others that appear to be actively suppressed that I’d like to read are a few books by alexandr dugin, and raspaill’s the camp of the saints. I don’t see what’s supposed to be so dangerous about reading other peoples dodgy political views. It’s not like you are automatically going to agree with everything you come across in books.
There's a view that "putting books behind a paywall" is itself a form of ban. Personally I disagree, and I can see an argument that, given the number of books there are and the finite resources of a school library, it's not actually out of line to "deselect" books based on content. The problem is that the self-selecting bunch of people who make that decision are often unqualified to do it, and many of them (perhaps not all) pay no attention to literary or social value when doing so.
So you just…skipped over the part where he went over the different definitions of “banned” and which one he’s using? “Banned” in this case means challenged or restricted, often at schools or public libraries. It doesn’t mean the cops come to your bookstore and light you on fire.
And there are families who cannot afford to purchase books. The only place they can get books is from school libraries or public libraries. If books are effectively unavailable from free resources, they have been banned for sections of the population
I'm glad you took on the 24 in 2024 challenge. Sherman Alexie does not hold any punches. Sadly all too relatable.
Thank you for keeping this message in the spotlight. I plan to join in on some of the books with the Banned Book Club.
Please do.
That’s an incredible number of books and authors! Thanks for doing this analysis, Greg. Great job on the Read 24 in 2024 Challenge.
Thanks Pat.
Grats on completing the challenge, and thanks for all the links! My hometown managed to challenge 59 books including _Slaughterhouse 5_. I guess the silver lining is that it makes the challenge easy. I guess the real challenge is to make the challenge nostalgic instead of necessary.
Yes, so many great books have been banned.
I've read Fahrenheit 451, Jaws, Stranger in a Strange Land, Killing Joke, Salem's Lot and Night and cannot think of how or why they'd be banned. The people banning probably have not even READ these books, or possibly ANY books at all so they should not be telling you or me what to do. Despicable.
Totally agree. Readers want books available to other readers even if it’s not to personal taste.
I completely agree with you about banned books. I would love to join you and MJ and Pat but I have a tiny problem: using the books from the list you put up I have either already ready most of them OR have absolutely zero interest in a good chunk of the others. Jude the Obscure I will definitely read (I never have) had no idea it was banned!! I will see if I can find any others on the 'bad' list and work on those.
If you like classics, a good source of banned books is the Index the Vatican used to compile for catholics in fear for their reading souls. On Wikipedia, there is an article with some of the most known authors on the list: List of authors and works on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum. Note that when it says « all love stories », it’s a bad literal translation for novels or basically any work of fiction. Among others, all the great French authors are there: Diderot, Rousseau, Stendhal, Sand, Balzac, Dumas, Flaubert, Zola…
Lee, look at the PEN list online. There are a surprising number of banned books that defy good sense.
Thank you for the great video. I think it contains very important information. May I use parts of it in my classroom?
Yes of course! Can you tell me what class you teach.
I'm with you on this - totally wholeheartedly, but I don't want to add Fable to my social media activity - there's already too much social media in my life hahaha - The Sherman Alexie book is brilliant, I think. Persepolis is one of the best books I read last year.
Totally understand not want to join other social media site. For me it’s mostly a mostly to have a book club.
I can imagine that book banning must be a clear violation of your 1st Amendment right to free speech.
It doesn't matter what you read, but how you read.
I guess some people think the 1st Amendment might cause freedom of thought if the right books was put before the right set of eyes and mind. Great stuff to me, but still lots of folk fear it.
Hold up? Vampires are fantasy creatures? 😨 Are you going to tell me Santa isn’t real either?!?!
Fantastic video and great job smashing the challenge and being so outspoken on this important issue.
😊 Thanks MJ.
I mean the issue with gender queer is the Blow job illustrations and the fact the book was turning up in elementary school libraries. The book wasnt meant for U18 people in fact the author even said this, but it managed to slip through the cracks and wind up in a few. An issue arose when parents found out and some of the schools kinda doubled down on it. Also it while it did pop up in a few elementary school libraries it wasnt that many. About 3 in my province actually admitted it was in their library, 2 removed it 1 doubled down. Theres thousands of schools in my province less that 1%. Totally blown out of proportion. Yet i understand why patents dont want such graphic novels in specifically elementary school libraries. Belongs more in a high school library in the senior section
When I was in high school (the early 80s) I read books with explicit sex scenes more graphic than Gender Queer. At least in the written format. Graphic novels weren't a thing back then. No body said a word or attempted to restrict my reading choices. Even back then I found some sex scenes not to my personal taste. I stopped reading those. No harm, no foul. I would give the kids today the same courtesy. Let them discover what turns their wheelhouse.
I only read banned books or what I perceive as a future banned book.
@@havefunbesafe There is a lot to choose from already. I fear these lists will grow in coming years.
Fabulous video. I totally get you. I am currently reading "strong men" and I'll review it on my little channel. It's about how fascists gain power and how they are taken down. Thanks for the great ideas.
Is that the book by Ruth Ben-Ghia? It’s currently a free audiobook on Audible for members.
Not many books in Norway has been banned since WW2. But in US books seem to be banned all the time?
Norwegians have more sense than many Americans in this regard. 😀
Circe by Madeline Miller?!!! Why??? 🤦🏽♀️
I’m hard pressed to say why too. Perhaps the SA scene. Or maybe it’s too much of tale of an independent woman.
I tried reading the Turner Diaries last year, but only got a few pages in and gave up.
@@Barklord I never tried to read it myself. But when I worked at Borders Books in the 90s we occasionally got requests to special order it from the publisher. The package came with some extra material like bumper stickers that were hateful and nasty,
@@anotherbibliophilereads I was surprised that the American book banning map doesn't neatly match the current political polarization. New York has many school districts with banned books. Also, The Turner Diaries is banned in Germany (not a surprise) and Canada, but not in the US. Wisconsin and Iowa ban much more than Minnesota and the Dakotas. It seems like it might depend on specific activism rather than party politics.
I had trouble finding turner diaries. Others that appear to be actively suppressed that I’d like to read are a few books by alexandr dugin, and raspaill’s the camp of the saints. I don’t see what’s supposed to be so dangerous about reading other peoples dodgy political views. It’s not like you are automatically going to agree with everything you come across in books.
The first four books you referenced can be bought anywhere in the US. Book store, Amazon, Barnes and Noble online, Even in Florida, banned?
There's a view that "putting books behind a paywall" is itself a form of ban. Personally I disagree, and I can see an argument that, given the number of books there are and the finite resources of a school library, it's not actually out of line to "deselect" books based on content. The problem is that the self-selecting bunch of people who make that decision are often unqualified to do it, and many of them (perhaps not all) pay no attention to literary or social value when doing so.
So you just…skipped over the part where he went over the different definitions of “banned” and which one he’s using?
“Banned” in this case means challenged or restricted, often at schools or public libraries. It doesn’t mean the cops come to your bookstore and light you on fire.
@@123456789811929I appreciate having at my back.
The ALA and PEN also include Restricted, Removed, or Challenged books under the umbrella of Banned Books.
And there are families who cannot afford to purchase books. The only place they can get books is from school libraries or public libraries. If books are effectively unavailable from free resources, they have been banned for sections of the population