In BATB 12, Aurelien over Joslin (12.55%) and Koston over Mike Mo (18.11%) were bigger upsets (likelihood of winning) than Dashawn's victory against Cody (30.96%)
ELO will never have any legitimate use with these tiny sample sizes and the revolving door of new competitors that might play only one match and vary in skill drastically. The fact all first time entrants are created equal makes ELO even more useless as a stat. Apart from a much much larger sample size of matches, having first time competitors pre-qualify to a certain standard or do a test that adjusts their entry level score would make this system worth more. Unless we had these skaters playing in dozens of SKATE tournaments per year, ELO is nothing but a gimmick.
A good example of how statistics are meaningless without context is Mikemo vs Koston. His stats are presumably almost all pre-injury. The guy literally has a paralyzed foot. So expecting Koston to only have an 18% chance of beating a guy who can't lift his foot up without a specialized boot is insane.
@@dob7138911 High-Elo Mike Mo (1231) made it to round 3 in season 11, almost beating Tom Asta (1139) post injury, whereas low elo Koston (992) got relatively spanked by even lower elo Malto (949) in season 11. It's true Elo doesn't take into account context like whether or not someone decides to stop skating enough to be competitive, but Koston's poor performance in season 11 and Mike Mo's good performance in season 11 make a strong case for Eric having little chance of winning in season 12.
"Galaxy's most competitive skater" damn where do you get those qoutes haha. This is the reason i watch more videos from you rather than any other vlogger who just rant and rant all over again. Another mention from Berra man your getting a lot of praise keep it up
Imagine what Luan could do if he played it safe like Cody and went super slow and hardly popped his tricks just like doing a lazy warmup kickflip. Luan could destroy them all he's just to humble about it...
Dudes a narcissist and thinks we watch just because of him. Berra hate may be "getting old" but dude brings it on himself because he's such a whiny bitch who never even had a good part to begin with lol
He's pretty clearly just giving tongue-in-cheek shoutouts to this channel, he's ribbing it because he likes it. I get finding him annoying, but the amount of people taking his clear jokes as some inflammatory insult really shows that people need to stop spending so much time on youtube and go to the Skate Park and interact with actual human beings in real life lol
@@vgrepairs @wingnut 202, I'm not hating at all, I'm merely saying him acting like a 15 year old constantly is getting boring, Also, I hardly go on youtube and spend a lot of time outdoors :)
like what kind of grown ass man takes to his instagram to write paragraphs about relatively unknows in the skate scene because they said something he didn't like?
Hey man, could you give us some further insight into how exactly you collect the data? Like what does your database look like from which you extract all these mind-blowingly niche statistics?
Dashawn knew how to defeat Cody. Switch back 3 being one of the tricks Cody cant do. Cody isn't double flipping his way to finals anymore. not hating. I really miss seeing that switch fs bigger spin. Honestly once Cody Won BATB, kind of seemed like he didn't keep up on his flatground game.
I've always wondered what would they do if the skater against the Legion of Doom lost, other than, of course, just rig it so it doesn't happen. But I'd be curious to hear if you have more telltale signs etc
Yeah we do. I guess when you’re playing a game of skate and someone does a finger gesture you just automatically assume they’re saying rebate, but now that you mention that I think I agree with you.
Wow…this the first time I’ve ever clicked on one of these videos & the last time I’ll click one. I like the idea but god damn son, turn off ur fuckn customer service phone number voice off. To like my comment, press 9, now!
The ELO concept of ranking batb contenders is great, but I'm of the opinion that the efforts to translate it from chess to skate still need some significant adjustments.
I WANT PROS VS JOES CODY CEPEDA BACK!! Dude like wtf happen to him? After that it's like he's Lost all of his competitive mojo and hasn't been the same sense. I used to get thrilled when I would see a match with him.
I've just seen him do some bigger skating like ledges and stairs when I feel like the first time he competed he was so dialed in on flat ground because that was his first opportunity
I feel like Cody is on his way out from being a pro skater … like the dude has peaked in my opinion .. who does he even ride for besides cariuma? … does he have a board sponser? Imo he’s just holding on …he’s still good at flat but that’s like what he’s good at .. he skates ledges , manuals and flat …. He’s like forgotten about practically… I only ever heard from him the berrics …
I do understand that Cody is properly good at flat ground flip tricks. But the idea that one of the best professional skaters doing it right now winning is some gigantic upset is a bit farcical. Cody only in this round because Carlos suspiciously forgot how to skate against him.
@@iconic_filmdirectors I follow him on insta he still posts some park clips from time to time. I think he's a teacher full time now a which is hilarious but awesome lol.
he did not claim a redo bro, he signaled to the ref with his finger to try to say his trick was not clean, its a common gesture in brazil, waving your point finger left and right means ''no'' or ''don't''
ive never been a fan of LUAN ad especially since to me he doesnt have any good unique tricks so to speak like hardflip 180 is fine but its still jus a regular trick i wonder if he knows pressure type tricks or any "old school" type shit i know everyone loves him but me personally i just dont like his style hes good of course but just doesnt do it for me its like hes great at skateboarding bu "ok" so are lots of pros theres nothing unique in my opinion except he goes fast i would like to see him do unique shit cause for me im so bored with bigspins and tre flips and all the standard tricks it would be more entertaining to see LUAN miss alot then knowingly make everything like we know he will
Oh wow you obviously haven’t watched much Luan footage. Can he do pressure flips or old school type shit? LOL, short answer: yes. One of the reasons so many people like him is he actually has tons of zany creative tricks in his huge bag besides the standard stuff. If you don’t feel like digging into his long history of footage, just trust me when I tell you Luan can pretty much do anything and everything on a board. That’s one dude I would never underestimate. Right here’s a compilation of him doing some “non-standard” tricks. ua-cam.com/video/kgKpVdA5afo/v-deo.html
Hey @DumbData! I think you've missed a lot of interesting facts about the Cody vs Dashawn battle Is this the only BATB game where a skater had done no offensive tricks while being given a chance to? Is this the longest (by count of tricks, not consecutive) defense where a skater did no tricks on offense? Is this the longest battle where a skater got skunked? Give me the data, Dumb Data! Thanks
Luan wasn't that good when he started BATB. He was inconsistent and didn't have death blow tricks. More recently, he improved on consistency and trick difficulty.
Yeah luans parts didn't count for anything, he wasn't that good. Nowhere near goofs like sewa on their stupid tiny board. Luan not dominating flat ground flip tricks was the big issue
Luan was already a known prodigy when he first started BATB in Season 4. He’d already won everything in the amateur contest circuit and Geoff Rowley had already turned him pro for Flip. He destroyed Torey Pudwill in Round 1. No deathblow tricks? He finished Torey with a switch gazelle heelflip, which to this day no one else has even tried in BATB. Then his loss to PJ Ladd in Round 2 was in part because he had to skate that game with a rolled ankle. If you were around in those days, you woulda seen the skater-interviews and known that. The very next time Luan skated BATB was season 7 and he went literally all the way to the end, getting 2nd place. So what even are you talking about? LOL!
@@paulanthony1689 fair enough mate, I just think that luans overall skill skating marks him out as a bigger fish than some of these guys who can only spam hideous lateflip flat ground tricks. Ain't nobody ever seen a good sewa part, because double hardflips are ugly, and nobody wants them in a part
@@zonertube I think it should be more then just that. Take the kickfilp for example, for these guys it should be a basic trick yet it gets missed a lot. So if you base rankings on just lands, kickflip will be rated higher then it should be so it feels like there should be some other factors adding towards that imo.
@@Apr0x1m0 wait what? Last time i heard they said kickflip ratio is more than 90%, it looks like a lot people fail but its just because kickflip probably the trick that most attempted in BATB.
Does the length of match multiplier work based on the length of video? or do you do something like a 10 second per trick counter? edit : or just # of tricks
@@WendyOryen There are 2 definitions for the word 'upset'. The first one is the one you are thinking of, which refers to being unhappy or mad. The other definition is this: "an unexpected result or situation, especially in a sports competition". The latter is the one the title of the video refers to
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In BATB 12, Aurelien over Joslin (12.55%) and Koston over Mike Mo (18.11%) were bigger upsets (likelihood of winning) than Dashawn's victory against Cody (30.96%)
ELO will never have any legitimate use with these tiny sample sizes and the revolving door of new competitors that might play only one match and vary in skill drastically. The fact all first time entrants are created equal makes ELO even more useless as a stat. Apart from a much much larger sample size of matches, having first time competitors pre-qualify to a certain standard or do a test that adjusts their entry level score would make this system worth more. Unless we had these skaters playing in dozens of SKATE tournaments per year, ELO is nothing but a gimmick.
A good example of how statistics are meaningless without context is Mikemo vs Koston. His stats are presumably almost all pre-injury. The guy literally has a paralyzed foot. So expecting Koston to only have an 18% chance of beating a guy who can't lift his foot up without a specialized boot is insane.
@@dob7138911 High-Elo Mike Mo (1231) made it to round 3 in season 11, almost beating Tom Asta (1139) post injury, whereas low elo Koston (992) got relatively spanked by even lower elo Malto (949) in season 11.
It's true Elo doesn't take into account context like whether or not someone decides to stop skating enough to be competitive, but Koston's poor performance in season 11 and Mike Mo's good performance in season 11 make a strong case for Eric having little chance of winning in season 12.
Can you please breakdown the data of how long it takes Berra to read the rules versus everyone else haha
Hahahahahahahaha
Facts, out of instinct if I see Berra I automatically skip a head like 2-3 minutes every time.
@@fearsbecomephobias2129 lol thought that was just me
@@fearsbecomephobias2129 every.
Damn.
Time.
holy shit we need this
"Galaxy's most competitive skater" damn where do you get those qoutes haha. This is the reason i watch more videos from you rather than any other vlogger who just rant and rant all over again. Another mention from Berra man your getting a lot of praise keep it up
Imagine what Luan could do if he played it safe like Cody and went super slow and hardly popped his tricks just like doing a lazy warmup kickflip. Luan could destroy them all he's just to humble about it...
I think It's physically impossible for luan to pop his tricks lower than like half a meter
You do realize Cody skunked Luan in season 7 right ?
Could you do a video on why those battles with PJ and Cole were rigged, please?
Money ball = Money skate
Dude I love this shit.
Bro its DEFENSE, if you got close even if both heels dragged, you get another chance get over it you don't make the rules
Sweet....Berra loves you.
Skunked Mclung
Why does a grown man make the effort to act like a 15 year old girl when it comes to other skate channels? stop it berra
Bro hating on Berra is getting stale af. It's like hating on Jeff won song or revive. It's just unnecessary and played out.
Dudes a narcissist and thinks we watch just because of him. Berra hate may be "getting old" but dude brings it on himself because he's such a whiny bitch who never even had a good part to begin with lol
He's pretty clearly just giving tongue-in-cheek shoutouts to this channel, he's ribbing it because he likes it. I get finding him annoying, but the amount of people taking his clear jokes as some inflammatory insult really shows that people need to stop spending so much time on youtube and go to the Skate Park and interact with actual human beings in real life lol
@@vgrepairs @wingnut 202, I'm not hating at all, I'm merely saying him acting like a 15 year old constantly is getting boring, Also, I hardly go on youtube and spend a lot of time outdoors :)
like what kind of grown ass man takes to his instagram to write paragraphs about relatively unknows in the skate scene because they said something he didn't like?
Steve Berra is in love with your channel lmaooo
who isn't?
Berra only loves Berra
Cody had a bad day. I've never seen him skate flat that bad. Congrats to Dashawn tho
He really looked like he was told yo throw it tbh. Berra was very weird and only looked at Cody when he did R.P.S. AMH
Or he didn’t give a fuck about the match.
@@derherr8498 I doubt that
Dashawn can skate flat, his match vs Mason Silva shows his flatground
“bad”
Berra definitely has your notifications on
Hey man, could you give us some further insight into how exactly you collect the data? Like what does your database look like from which you extract all these mind-blowingly niche statistics?
Was expecting to see another rematch of Luan and Cody.
Dashawn knew how to defeat Cody. Switch back 3 being one of the tricks Cody cant do. Cody isn't double flipping his way to finals anymore. not hating. I really miss seeing that switch fs bigger spin. Honestly once Cody Won BATB, kind of seemed like he didn't keep up on his flatground game.
Way out of spectrum but would love to see this for CS:GO Majors. For players.
I definitely think if you did CSGO players and majors would be a big hit
You already have the framework in place just have to tweak it to accommodate player stats
I've always wondered what would they do if the skater against the Legion of Doom lost, other than, of course, just rig it so it doesn't happen. But I'd be curious to hear if you have more telltale signs etc
What?! I had no ideia Murilo Couto was interested in skateboarding, let alone watching battles live in the Berrics. Literally "do nada"
3:10 Hey Dumb Data, mind if I call this one a nollie bs bigsin kickflip? The hardflip was pratically 360 degrees...
"Thank you, Jimmy Carlin"
Man cookie is the coolest dude 😂
That was so good haha I think he was more hyped about talking with jimmy than winning
Tinha que ser o Murilo Couto
Need more Jimmy Carlin love that guy
Btw how dare they match it so that spencer now has to go against jamie
Kelvin wasnt saying to redo, he was saying “no” with his finger. (not sure if you do that in US)
Yeah we do. I guess when you’re playing a game of skate and someone does a finger gesture you just automatically assume they’re saying rebate, but now that you mention that I think I agree with you.
Yup what you are saying ma friend is true, he is saying no to the redo
He definitely didn't deserve a redo
Wow…this the first time I’ve ever clicked on one of these videos & the last time I’ll click one. I like the idea but god damn son, turn off ur fuckn customer service phone number voice off. To like my comment, press 9, now!
Cody is a beast I don’t understand what happened today.
Four months ago^
I was waiting for this video after watching this game
Luan bro 😎
Can we all agree?? MTV Jesse (NELK) was the worst Judge to date.
If you have a regular 6 sided dice, what are the chances you roll the same number 6 times?
I just realized Steve is lowkey mad that you are legally making good content off of his content and he can't do anything about it.
Scientologists punching air right now
The ELO concept of ranking batb contenders is great, but I'm of the opinion that the efforts to translate it from chess to skate still need some significant adjustments.
How about they just post the battles quicker so they can’t get released
I WANT PROS VS JOES CODY CEPEDA BACK!!
Dude like wtf happen to him? After that it's like he's Lost all of his competitive mojo and hasn't been the same sense. I used to get thrilled when I would see a match with him.
3:30 to me looked like Kelvin was signaling "no", not "redo"
Interesting observation 🤔
me too
thats right bro, he wasnt claiming a redo
There was no foul play in the Rick flip earning a redo
0:13 Bro hahaha
Are u the percentage guy haha do u normally talk like that, there’s a 0.5 % I’ll eat this rn against the 10% of me eating pizza 🤣
My man Cody took the L because those wack ass shoes
Jonny Giger not making it upset me the most.
still pissed joslin lost
I love elo, and I'm now I'm happy Koston ain't the lowest. He doesn't deserve it
Luan and Kelvin, the most beautiful Kickflips in a battle.
The gunshots were beautiful hahaha
Jordan had a 33% chance to win so he did
Cody has been worried about other things but flat ground. We saw it last season
What's wrong with him?
Elaborate?
I've just seen him do some bigger skating like ledges and stairs when I feel like the first time he competed he was so dialed in on flat ground because that was his first opportunity
Luan shaved the stache, he's in funk mode now. If Luan skates the same way he did when he battled himself, it's gonna be another BATB in the basket.
Would love to see him go against PJ Ladd
@@oopsydaizi3s824 didn't they fought against each other in BATB 4?
@@manasses6647 yeah but he had a hurt ankle during that game. Would be dope to see that game when he’s healthy, especially these days.
Is Cody injured?
DD should have a job at SLS
I feel like Cody is on his way out from being a pro skater … like the dude has peaked in my opinion .. who does he even ride for besides cariuma? … does he have a board sponser? Imo he’s just holding on …he’s still good at flat but that’s like what he’s good at .. he skates ledges , manuals and flat …. He’s like forgotten about practically… I only ever heard from him the berrics …
I do understand that Cody is properly good at flat ground flip tricks. But the idea that one of the best professional skaters doing it right now winning is some gigantic upset is a bit farcical. Cody only in this round because Carlos suspiciously forgot how to skate against him.
Elo is a bit too much for my brain man 😔
Your amazing, I've never seen skateboarding technicality dissected like the way you have. Be proud, stay metal.
Jamie for the win 🇮🇪
Elo is king
luan skates like a video game i actually laughed
Vaaaaao brasil!
bro way too fast with his uploads swear this game just dropped today
dashawn was on his game
Berra wouldn’t look at Cody while reading rules… it was weird
It's too bad Cody wasn't trying. Looked like he didn't wanna be there lol
Is there a way to see if Berra has viewed your videos? I bet he's binging this shit lmao
Can I have Elo? So I can bet all my money,
when can we start betting on this stuff? ;-)
Damn luan got them cakers!!!
Best skate channel on UA-cam
Just live stream battles than we all get the results the same day
Kickflips to coke dips. Rip Cody
you should make this ELO data public in some github repo or something. It would be nice to have it to make a nice website displaying the info
guys ima be depressed without berra
The speed of this upload!
cody was off that day clearly
Lmao ik this was coming
face reveal
more math i love it
Was super stoked to see that fake 'nice guy' Giger get demolished as well. He's an angry child who capitalizes on hyper edits.
btw a 3 shuv is not the same thing as an impossible
The title of this video spoiled the game for me because i have notifications on this channel :'(
You had 12 hours to watch the match!
@@dumbdata34 it takes me at least 13 hours to prepare mentally for 2 minutes of Steve Berra
@@johnnyraven8178 General rule if you see Berra holding the rules, just skip around 2 minutes and you are good.
@@Tobi077 THIS
Was so surprised to see Cody skate like that. I wonder what happened.
i felt he was not motivated, while Dashawn was really into fight mode
I miss Jimmy Carlin, he's odd chill dude. Was a beast in his own right back in the day too.
he dont skate nowadays?
@@iconic_filmdirectors I follow him on insta he still posts some park clips from time to time. I think he's a teacher full time now a which is hilarious but awesome lol.
@@fearsbecomephobias2129 what’s his nickname?
He’s color theory part was nuts
he did not claim a redo bro, he signaled to the ref with his finger to try to say his trick was not clean, its a common gesture in brazil, waving your point finger left and right means ''no'' or ''don't''
Jimmy Carlin doesn't even need to skate to be my favourite skater
Y'all mad because the black guy won. Let's call it what it is
ive never been a fan of LUAN ad especially since to me he doesnt have any good unique tricks so to speak like hardflip 180 is fine but its still jus a regular trick i wonder if he knows pressure type tricks or any "old school" type shit i know everyone loves him but me personally i just dont like his style hes good of course but just doesnt do it for me its like hes great at skateboarding bu "ok" so are lots of pros theres nothing unique in my opinion except he goes fast i would like to see him do unique shit cause for me im so bored with bigspins and tre flips and all the standard tricks it would be more entertaining to see LUAN miss alot then knowingly make everything like we know he will
Oh wow you obviously haven’t watched much Luan footage. Can he do pressure flips or old school type shit? LOL, short answer: yes. One of the reasons so many people like him is he actually has tons of zany creative tricks in his huge bag besides the standard stuff. If you don’t feel like digging into his long history of footage, just trust me when I tell you Luan can pretty much do anything and everything on a board. That’s one dude I would never underestimate. Right here’s a compilation of him doing some “non-standard” tricks. ua-cam.com/video/kgKpVdA5afo/v-deo.html
Thanks Jimmy Carlin
maybe cody gave dashawn the game for political reasons, i wouldnt be surprised if berra pulled some weird shit like that
Nope
Probably
Yeah berra got a guy on cariuma to throw a match to a much more successful and respected skater, adds up.
Hey @DumbData! I think you've missed a lot of interesting facts about the Cody vs Dashawn battle
Is this the only BATB game where a skater had done no offensive tricks while being given a chance to?
Is this the longest (by count of tricks, not consecutive) defense where a skater did no tricks on offense?
Is this the longest battle where a skater got skunked?
Give me the data, Dumb Data! Thanks
Sorry that I skipped forward Berra talking about you...always do tho 🤫
i love Jimmy Carlin
Luan wasn't that good when he started BATB. He was inconsistent and didn't have death blow tricks. More recently, he improved on consistency and trick difficulty.
Yeah luans parts didn't count for anything, he wasn't that good. Nowhere near goofs like sewa on their stupid tiny board. Luan not dominating flat ground flip tricks was the big issue
Luan was already a known prodigy when he first started BATB in Season 4. He’d already won everything in the amateur contest circuit and Geoff Rowley had already turned him pro for Flip. He destroyed Torey Pudwill in Round 1. No deathblow tricks? He finished Torey with a switch gazelle heelflip, which to this day no one else has even tried in BATB. Then his loss to PJ Ladd in Round 2 was in part because he had to skate that game with a rolled ankle. If you were around in those days, you woulda seen the skater-interviews and known that.
The very next time Luan skated BATB was season 7 and he went literally all the way to the end, getting 2nd place. So what even are you talking about? LOL!
To clarify, I meant the skill set required for this tournament wasn't as good as it could be. He has since remedied that.
@@paulanthony1689 fair enough mate, I just think that luans overall skill skating marks him out as a bigger fish than some of these guys who can only spam hideous lateflip flat ground tricks. Ain't nobody ever seen a good sewa part, because double hardflips are ugly, and nobody wants them in a part
Carlin is hilarious, I remember when he took off is cloths during the PJ Ladd vs Paul Rodriguez Final - I was crying with laughter.
First
I love this channel... and numbers. I was just wondering tho how you rank the difficulty of the tricks?
Landing Ratio
@@zonertube I think it should be more then just that. Take the kickfilp for example, for these guys it should be a basic trick yet it gets missed a lot. So if you base rankings on just lands, kickflip will be rated higher then it should be so it feels like there should be some other factors adding towards that imo.
@@Apr0x1m0 wait what? Last time i heard they said kickflip ratio is more than 90%, it looks like a lot people fail but its just because kickflip probably the trick that most attempted in BATB.
Does the length of match multiplier work based on the length of video? or do you do something like a 10 second per trick counter? edit : or just # of tricks
total turns in a match
Berra wants so bad to be funny it actually makes me feel bad for him
How was Dashawn’s win an upset?
@@fernandoreyes680 even if Cody was expected to win, you can’t be mad Dashawn won
@@WendyOryen no one's mad at it
@@fernandoreyes680 then why call it an “upset?”
@@WendyOryen There are 2 definitions for the word 'upset'. The first one is the one you are thinking of, which refers to being unhappy or mad. The other definition is this: "an unexpected result or situation, especially in a sports competition". The latter is the one the title of the video refers to
@@fernandoreyes680 I didn’t know there was a second definition - explains everything
Berra is so CRINGE!!! Lolol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dashawn is just crazy consistant!