Thanks Donut, glad you dug it. Yeah, it's pretty crazy how such a small detail can lead to outrage, but I think we'd all like to see it in the correct spot especially for range finders.
True. But someone argued (making a good point I think) that this would mean another specialised pieces. They couldn't be used with Mandos for instance. So yeah, it would have been a good solution, but most likely they wanted to keep the possibility of using pieces for multiple things, which is what makes Lego Lego in the end
@@levikranitz2440 That's a good point to bring up. It's nice that all the helmet accessories are compatible for all helmets with holes, not just clones.
@@Buggydclown1000 that's a great idea. This would allow them to make a nice unique print for Vaugh (or however you write his name) as he needs to have details on the visor as well
@@DarkBluishGraythe mandalorian battle pack was from 2020 which seems to be when lego started to stop using so many cloth accessories as in the same year the 212th airborne clone had a kama but all other 2020 clones have printed ones instead.
I'm 100% sure that even without Vaughn they would have helmet holes because that is just what the Phase 2 Clone helmet is now. The reason for no helmet holes with the 187th troopers is that it released before the Cody set. If it were to release now they definitely would have them.
Sure it released before, but we'll see when they release a set without "helmet accessory clones", if we still get the holes. It would make sense for them not to sense they can always utilize both helmet molds when needed. Someone also brought up a good point with the stud shooters and how they went away after a few years.
The argument “Lego is for kids so poor design choices are okay” is a poor one. Regardless of who it is for, the standards should be the same across the board, especially when lego claims “only the best is good enough”
As jarring as it is to see some accessories in the wrong place as a result of the holes, the fact that we’re finally able to add some to P2 clones at all after all these years makes up for that in my eyes. I welcome the holes with open arms, and I imagine the “controversy” surrounding them will die very quickly.
As someone who experienced my LEGO "dark age" during what many would consider to be the "golden age" of LEGO Star Wars, I'm just happy to be able to snag so many new clones.
I feel it mainly comes from the lego star wars youtubers like mandr who do a weekly rant video about it. And the kids watching those and blindly repeating whatever their favorite youtuber says
In my opinion the helmet holes aren’t a complete deal breaker. But maybe it should be. This shows LEGO that despite not being entirely happy about it, we’re still willing to buy these clones. They save a lot of money not putting in 2 different kinds of helmets in one set, and not making molds for any other accessory besides visors. This may not be a big problem now, except for the fact that the clones with no accessories won’t be consistent with the old helmets, but once LEGO sees that we don’t care about something like this, in an army that we all love, that LEGO knows we love, what else will they be able to get away with? Just worried there’s gonna be a lot of “yeah it’s annoying, but it’s not a deal breaker” type of stuff in future LEGO, and everyone will hate it. And it will all be traced back to this moment in LEGO history.
The helmet holes also cause the printing to be shifted away from the fin which is why the 212th helmet has incorrect printing so we got helmets with weird holes and poor printing to accommodate a visor that was made in 2009
I side with the people that are upset because when you are paying premium prices it's reasonable to expect a premium product. Also there's literally zero reason why lego couldnt just put the holes in the right spot and make a new visor mold.
there is a great reason why the holes need to be higher in p2. if they made them lower the old visors would not fit. and therefore you would have to make a new mold for visors that would not fit the mandalorian and clone p1. binoculars would be designed differently which would make them incompatible with manarolians and p1. it causes a lot of costs and people would get confused which accessories go with what. The holes in p2 are great i can modify the clones however i want with them
@@oskaroks2285 Except that the real phase 2 visors ARE supposed to be completely different from the old phase 1 visors. The helmets are not identical, so the visor's design changed to be able to fit on the new helmets. They are an exclusive clone accessory in-universe. I get that they're toys at the end of the day, but if I'm paying $20 just to get 4 figures, the least they could do is put a little effort into making them look good. Just look at mega construx Halo figs for example, crazy levels of articulation and customization all while being incredibly accurate in detail, and you typically pay about $5 per figure, just like Lego. I honestly think the only reason they're doing this is to test the fans, see how far they can push back the quality of their product without losing profits.
They should’ve made a new visor that’s accurate and clips on without the holes like how Cody’s visor actually looks Then keep the holes where they should be, even if all the helmets had holes they’d look fine bc they’re in the right place
This is actually a great and fresh way of looking at Lego Star Wars, not just reviews and mocs (I do love reviews don’t get me wrong). I look forward to whatever you plan on making next. I would suggest something like looking at if AT- variants are actually all terrain but idk if that could make a whole video.
The helmet holes are here to stay at least for a year or two because when the stud shooter blasters first came out NO ONE liked it and it still took lego like 2 or 3 years to switch back and also lego will use the argument that kids can play with vizors and what not. In the perfect world we would get a new molded vizor that fits more like CAC ones but don't fall off as easly and the holes in the right place on the "ear" for the range finders.
@@DarkBluishGray I'm still trying to find something to do with all the stud shooters I have now that I've replaced them with lego and third party Lego blasters.
@@DarkBluishGray That extra P1 clone commander in the advend calendar became a P1 bly as soon as i got the binocs, old school pauldron armor hides the markings x)
Wow. This video was so well done and explained, I subbed right off the bat. Great job. Also, I am extremely disappointed with the helmet holes, as star wars lego fans deserve better. Not only is it the best selling lego theme, it has the most massed produced and sold lego set ever. (the 501st battle pack) Because of this, lego star wars should at least get SOME kind of attention when it comes to simple clone troopers. Also if lego chose the "more expensive route" and didn't give clones the helmet holes that didnt need them, the sets would sell infinitely better and make more extra prophet then they would being lazy and "saving money"
Thanks man. Glad you dig it. I definitely see your points about Star Wars being the most produced and sold LEGO theme, so they could easily go the extra mile for detail, but for whatever reason they decided not to. I'm not too bummed about it.
@@DarkBluishGray I think its good that not everyone has the same opinion as me, because if they did, things would be chaotic lol. But as a stop motion creator, quality especially in the minifigs is crucial. Because lego star wars has never been perfect in meeting the fan demand for certain clone troopers at certain times, i've always found myself turning to other companies such as clone army customs when it comes to army building a certain clone legion for much cheaper. I usually buy their really high quality and accurate looking clone helmets, and put them on official lego clone bodies.
I would disagree with the notion that sets would sell infinitely better. Battlepacks will sell great either way, Gunship will sell great too, Clone wars sets will sell no matter what at this point, unless Lego will overprice them to high heavens or release something that no one asked for, like I don't know... Astromech battlepack or something.
@@nihili4196 yea bro fr like if they made a $20 dollar microfighter then theres always those people on amazon that you see: "2k+ people bought in the last month"
the outrage is very understandable considering lego is a multi billion dollar company and can easily make good looking helmets with holes in the right positions but wont
I’m no investor, but I think they will go up quite a bit because people will want to buy replacement helmets due to the objectively inaccurate holed helmets.
"It's a toy for kids, the kids don't care"... these people are wrong, there are many kids who also care about accuracy. I hated every inaccuracy then as much as I do now.
The problem really stems from the lack of foresight on Lego's part, going all the way back to the Battle of Umbara sets where the modern phase 2 helmets began. I never understood why they designed those without helmet holes in mind right off the bat, when for years beforehand they had been churning out phase 1 helmets and mandalorian helmets with holes. It's such a basic aspect of functionality. They shot themselves in the foot by treating it as an afterthought and now they're trying (badly) to play catch-up.
I was arguing a couple of hours ago that Light and Dark Bluish Gray don't look even remotely bluish because of R.R. Slugger's most recent video. And then I get your channel recommended lmao. Don't know if it's already a meme in the community or something, but that's some coincidence. great videos btw subscribed
lego should do sorting system for p2 helmets lego can use both 2013 and 2022 helmets 2013 helmets for troopers or named clones that don't have attachments while 2022 helmets are for sunvisor and macro binocular visor
As an older Star Wars fan I grew up with battlefront 2 (from Pandemic, not EA). I am just glad we got those perfect standard 501 Troopers without helmet holes as well as those cool heavy troopers with visors and hope for some Airboune Troopers (they will always be the sniper class to me) as well as Captain Rex in a small set. Than I am good with my little group of clones. A good generic minifigure scale LAAT from Episode 2 would be great as well.
what bugs me more than anything else regarding this controversy is how lego designed the box art for some of these sets to look like the rangefinder is in the right spot. It's LEGO, so I don't expect 100% accuracy from figures, and imo opinion this is a relatively minor issue, but LEGO (or at least the people who deal with box art) recognizing the issue and essentially trying to deceive buyers is ridiculous.
there is a great reason why the holes need to be higher in p2. if they made them lower the old visors would not fit. and therefore you would have to make a new mold for visors that would not fit the mandalorian and clone p1. binoculars would be designed differently which would make them incompatible with manarolians and p1. it causes a lot of costs and people would get confused which accessories go with what. The holes in p2 are great i can modify the clones however i want with them
The holes aren't even that bad. The fact that they made the dome more round than egg shaped is what bothers me. The vent area is also bigger on the new helmets, and look more and more like the thick stormtrooper helmets. I used to hate people mixing up stormies and p2 clones. But at this point the helmet is so round, it might as well be a stormie... Sigh. They don't look oval enough. It's not supposed to be a circle dome. Any reference from RotS or CW can show how thin they're supposed to look. I wish it didn't bother me, but it just doesn't look right to me. So agreed. Should've made holes in the original, in the correct place, and a new visor. Then lego wouldn't have had to widen the helmet for the old visor anyway.
I honestly couldn’t care less about the helmet holes. The real problem is the clone helmet print. The visor print is too tiny and makes it look like a knock off figure. In my opinion, not a single phase 2 clone has looked good since the 501st battle pack in 2020. Imagine if we had gotten that set, but it came with 501st clones in the 2014 style of helmet. It could’ve been perfect.
My biggest issue is not the holes themselves, but rather the derpy print on the top of the helmet. Something in their factory can’t seem to get the print right because of the holes, and that honestly looks worse imo.
Honestly, my biggest issue with the new clone figures is that their helmet holes seem to result in messed up printing, for some reason. All the prints are bowed out from the central fin and don't line up where they should be. The 212th AT-TE clones were even worse, having the orange arrow print not coming to point at the end as it should, in addition to the misaligned printing problem. Neither of these things were an issue on he old 212th clones, or any phase 2 clone figures without the helmet holes, and isn't really acceptable for the absurd prices Lego charges for their sets. If they fixed the printing issues, I could live with the helmet holes not always being in the right place.
Well I do think the holes look somewhat stupid if the are not used and imho it would have been way better to come up with a visor that could use the holes on the right spot (which some custom versions show), but in the end I still buy it 😄👍🏻
Watched this after your one year in lego video. Ive only been collecting for a couple months now and still just dont understand how people can get so upset over a detail like that
Playing devil's advocate, the holes objectively do make the shape of the helmet less authentic looking compared to previous versions. Is it something that would prevent me from buying new clones? Not at all. Would I prefer two different helmet molds depending on if helmet accessories are required or not? Probably. I see both sides, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm just happy to see new clones.
IMO the best course of action would’ve been to: 1. Modify the current clone helmet and put the holes lower where they should be for rangefinders 2. Introduce a new helmet with the visor moulded on for commanders, but still have the hole in the correct spot you can add a rangefinder on top of that And for those saying a unique helmet would be too expensive, LEGO gives background characters unique moulds all the time so I don’t buy that. Also they’d be reusing the helmet with so many different clones they’d make the money back easily The old visor piece is so outdated and was made specifically for the phase 1 clone. It looks horrendous on the P2 clones
They should've just made a new dual mold for the helmet with visor and made a helmet with one hole on the side for the antenna and also at the right spot, then they'd just use them for different figures and with how expensive they are making their sets lately, it wouldn't hurt to up their quality
they are making them more expensive to match with inflation, making ultra specialised new helmets with no choice for accessories completely goes against lego’s design philosophy and would just make the prices even more expensive. the visors and rangefinders are supposed to work on all clones and mandalorians anyway so introduce this and you wont be able to put your shiny new accessories on other types of clones because they are moulded into them.
The 2 things that annoy me the most are: Why can't a billion dollar company include cloth carmas in their set? I mean,it would be ok to just print them for children for better playability but then at least print them all around. The second thing that annoys me even more are the wayyyy to big,chunky,terrible visors.I think we need new visors cause the ones we have right now are way to bulky ,inaccurate
I would say this It's less of blame Cody and more blame lego being absolutely lazy Because they could have fixed the problem All Lego needed to do was just make a new piece to be coming to Cody's helmet attachment After all the Part they used is inaccurate compared to the real thing
2:29 gotta love the false advertising, no helmet holes on the standard 212th troopers and correct print, its like they acknowledge the issue but instead of fixing it they trick people
I think it's a real shame we only got one set with the best 332nd iteration. Sure, it was in a droid-focused set so you only get one, but it's such a good minifigure. Only to be replaced with an inferior version a couple years later.
I both hate the new helmets holes and like it. I think that the visor works perfectly for the new holes. But my god the Range finder is the worst thing ever.
I don't think the helmet holes wouldn't have been on the clone troopers even if Vaughn wasn't in the helmet sets, lego is probably going to keep everything the same. I personally, hate the fuckin helmet holes, from the front it looks so bad, side profile I can deal with.
Phase 2 cody is one of my favorite clone minufigures I would like some imperial clone sets like imperial atack shutle that set would include crosshair and his squad from bad batch season 1. Then I would like to see imperial cody figure
@@DarkBluishGrayevery clone from now on uses helmet holes since the at te came out so if lego makes them they are having holes. 187th clones came out before the at te hence the lack of holes
while cody was the reason helmet holes were introduced every clone after cody uses them and their benefits are made obvious with the 501st specialist pack as now there is much more customisation options for phase 2 clones. the helmets arent perfect but the benefits i think outweigh the negatives and they are here to stay regardless
@@doctorcreeps2169 fr like you can make the battlefront 2 mod 322nd officer,heavy and specialist or even a commander 501st or marshall(appo but just a regular soldier)
I don’t remember ever putting visors or antennas on regular troops even as a kid, it just looks stupid. It’s basically the worst of both worlds. Really sad too considering how many potentially cool clones we’re getting only to be ruined by those horrific helmet holes. If the reason is as simple as they want to save money the only way to fight this is to make them lose money by not buying any sets with this „feature”.
@@Azact true, I’m just pointing out how if you compare the placement of the visor to an official image of cody from the movie most will notice that it does rest above the area where range finder would usually sit
The helmet holes are severely overblown non issue. They are where they are to save money, yes, but also to keep accessories swappable between p1 and p2 helmets. Real issues are bad quality prints and lack of fabrics. Vauhn should've had different print, and preferably be included in non battlepack set. Rex should have kama and pauldron. Helmet holes are just a meaningles detail compared to those things
I totally see that point. The helmet holes don't bother me much, though I think they further fuel the opinion that quality and attention to detail are going down, while prices continue to go up. Lack of fabric and print quality being prime examples.
I agree with sentiment, but this is being angry at wrong thing. Yeah, helmet holes aren't exactly pretty, but at least they're useful and allows for lot's of customisation. They work within system. But bad prints, bad quality prints, lack of fabrics, minifigs that doesn't look like characters they're supposed to be.... This are massive problems. But people focus on heccin helmet holes, pushing everything else to the side, only mentioning those things off handedly. With the amount of profit Lego is making, we should be getting arm printing and dual leg moulds on at least more importantly clones. We should be getting accurate prints. We should be getting Kamas on top of leg prints if Lego insists on them. If all, or even more of those were a thing, helmet holes would be just a detail that not everyone likes. Honestly I wish holes were the only problem we have with minifigs alone.
I personally dont really care about these holes at all, to me they are no less annoying then the holes on the mando and p1 helmets. They allow for more playability and customization wich are both great for a toy. What these are. Im just glad were getting a bunch of sets with clones in them, my lego clone army has tripled since the that 501st legion set.
One more thing to add, as someone who so collects hasbro clone troopers i will take these holes 99 times out of 100 over the terrible paint apps that hasbro does. Seriously look up the latest andor p2 clone trooper from the vintage collection. It legit has the rex visor its printed on that bad
Yeah the way I see it, Episode 3 only had sun visors and macrobinoculars. No rangefinders, that's a Clone Wars invention. So the holes above the "ears" are fine by me, though using non RP2 units with that helmet yet the AP2 style, such is the case with the 501st and 332nd, is not right. But what can they do? Make a separate production line? Nah, they obviously still just a family in a garage and not a multi-billion (US) dollar company. (also yeah icky they're trying to sell a regular 332nd with a visor as Vaughn, nice effort LEGO Group...)
At the time of making this video I speculated why LEGO chose to make the helmet holes universal for all Clones and blamed the Visors.. now it just seems like they changed the mold all together. Oh well.
There’s no theory to the helmet holes the fighter tank was released before the at te and was the last clone set before they made the switch to the new mold I don’t think it matters if there’s a character with a visor
Sure it was released before, but that doesn't disprove my theory. If LEGO releases future Clone Trooper sets without named or otherwise visor clad clones and they still have helmet holes then my theory is wrong.
If you don't like it, don't buy it! I will happily take the availability the other sets lacked due to the popularity Let's be honest, everyone complained, but they will still buy it when it comes out
Yes, I didn’t buy and I’m not gonna buy any sets with random clones having helmet holes.🤷♂️ They won’t here us so I speak with my wallet. My wallet’s happy 😁
Honestly i don't really care about the holes i care about that i wan't commander fox and vaughn the only thing that i hate it's the antena piece it's just way to high and if you take a few more times in and out it will loosen up and i will be determined to reinforce it with a napkin
Don't love the helmet holes. But honestly, I would have hated them way more when I was younger. Now, I'm just glad to be getting these awesome, albeit flawed, figures.
Nah the helmet holes don’t bug me at all. I have four 501st specialists battle packs in my 501st army. Which I make them as just part of building my army. Though I will say the price tag for the 332nd battle pack. With literally nothing new or unique about the battle other then it’s another Swamp Speeder that didn’t take place in the Siege of Mandalore. I may only pick up one or two of them and that’s about it.
are the holes bad? yes. do i care? no. why ? because i have the ones without the holes meaning i just have another variation of clone in my collection, but like all sets i buy, i wait for them to get a discount before buying
Honestly I believe that theyre just gonna stick with the helmet hole version from now om regardless of if accessories are included. To them its just an upgraded version of the mold.
Unpopular opinion, I believe the helmet holes aren’t that much of a big deal. I do like them and I like it that it’s worth putting on accessories so you don’t have to deal with the looks. I don’t understand why y’all those Lego Star Wars fan be whining about a small minor thing, they all be action like Karens. So y’all just shut your trap and just embrace it like a normal person would🫤
Playing devil's advocate. I tend to agree with those that think standard Clones really shouldn't have the helmet holes. They do look better without them. I don't think it's unheard of to want two different helmet molds for different trooper roles. Personally I don't mind them much, but I understand where people are coming from considering LEGO Star Wars is an expensive premium product.
@@EchoBaseplates demanding quality is indeed important. I also feel sorry about not getting perfect stuff. But fans complain over and over again. Lego gave us a cool new mold for the Darksabar, people have a problem, Lego remakes their clone design and gives us clones in many sets, people have a problem. And we could go on. It has been said countless times that it's problematic, it should be over. Looking at the bright side would make this otherwise intensely toxic community much better to be a part of
helmet holes dont bother me in-play but in photography it's not too bad. I wish theyd just move the existing side piece up to halfway between the existing place and the new holes so it looks accurate but also works for accessories
Yeah no shit this is not a conspiracy I’ve literally known this for 10 years it’s simple logic when you think about why lego was waiting so long to make phase 2 Cody
As an outsider, this doesn't seam like that big of a deal, why not just get some "Perfect Plastic Putty" or something similar and fill in the holes? It's super easy to do.
I think a lot of the criticism comes from very hardcore long time fans that experienced the "golden age" of lego star wars growing up. The quality and detail of those older clone troopers is undeniable. The new P2 helmet holes do change the shape of the helmet and also affect the print accuracy. They don't bother me much, but I can see why some people would be bummed considering LEGO says "Only the best is good enough".
It is insane how heated the community has gotten about these. Good video and looking forward to more videos.
Thanks Donut, glad you dug it. Yeah, it's pretty crazy how such a small detail can lead to outrage, but I think we'd all like to see it in the correct spot especially for range finders.
its beacuse of mandr spreading that spoiled mindset of hes, i dont give an f about holes. They minifigs, they look pretty good to me.
@@peti4016 fr like dawg your a adult isnt it embarrasing getting mad just over a hole💀💀, get a black series figure or custom clones💯💯
@@peti4016ONLY THE BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH. there is no point of having holes on figures that don’t need them.
@@xguy2950 I mean, with LEGO being as expensive as it is these days, can't blame people for wanting their money's worth
honestly all of this could’ve been avoided if they created a new visor piece and added the holes where they’re supposed to be
Exactly
True. But someone argued (making a good point I think) that this would mean another specialised pieces. They couldn't be used with Mandos for instance. So yeah, it would have been a good solution, but most likely they wanted to keep the possibility of using pieces for multiple things, which is what makes Lego Lego in the end
@@levikranitz2440 That's a good point to bring up. It's nice that all the helmet accessories are compatible for all helmets with holes, not just clones.
They could’ve made a new mild for clones with visors with the visor molded in the helmet
@@Buggydclown1000 that's a great idea. This would allow them to make a nice unique print for Vaugh (or however you write his name) as he needs to have details on the visor as well
Honestly the bigger crime werent the helmet holes, but lego not printing the kama on the side.
I really wish we got cloth kamas still. I mean they included 4 cloth capes in the Mandalorian Battle Pack..
@@DarkBluishGraythe mandalorian battle pack was from 2020 which seems to be when lego started to stop using so many cloth accessories as in the same year the 212th airborne clone had a kama but all other 2020 clones have printed ones instead.
i just think the false advertizing is a crime but apparently false advertizing isn't a crime in this world
@@doctorcreeps2169 But yet characters in dreams have cloth skirt pieces nearly identical to what clones should have
I'm 100% sure that even without Vaughn they would have helmet holes because that is just what the Phase 2 Clone helmet is now. The reason for no helmet holes with the 187th troopers is that it released before the Cody set. If it were to release now they definitely would have them.
Sure it released before, but we'll see when they release a set without "helmet accessory clones", if we still get the holes. It would make sense for them not to sense they can always utilize both helmet molds when needed. Someone also brought up a good point with the stud shooters and how they went away after a few years.
The argument “Lego is for kids so poor design choices are okay” is a poor one. Regardless of who it is for, the standards should be the same across the board, especially when lego claims “only the best is good enough”
As jarring as it is to see some accessories in the wrong place as a result of the holes, the fact that we’re finally able to add some to P2 clones at all after all these years makes up for that in my eyes. I welcome the holes with open arms, and I imagine the “controversy” surrounding them will die very quickly.
As someone who experienced my LEGO "dark age" during what many would consider to be the "golden age" of LEGO Star Wars, I'm just happy to be able to snag so many new clones.
And its good pieces to customize P1
I feel it mainly comes from the lego star wars youtubers like mandr who do a weekly rant video about it. And the kids watching those and blindly repeating whatever their favorite youtuber says
In my opinion the helmet holes aren’t a complete deal breaker. But maybe it should be. This shows LEGO that despite not being entirely happy about it, we’re still willing to buy these clones. They save a lot of money not putting in 2 different kinds of helmets in one set, and not making molds for any other accessory besides visors. This may not be a big problem now, except for the fact that the clones with no accessories won’t be consistent with the old helmets, but once LEGO sees that we don’t care about something like this, in an army that we all love, that LEGO knows we love, what else will they be able to get away with? Just worried there’s gonna be a lot of “yeah it’s annoying, but it’s not a deal breaker” type of stuff in future LEGO, and everyone will hate it. And it will all be traced back to this moment in LEGO history.
The helmet holes also cause the printing to be shifted away from the fin which is why the 212th helmet has incorrect printing so we got helmets with weird holes and poor printing to accommodate a visor that was made in 2009
212 clone helmet print is horrendous and lego knows it because they advertised it as if it was the print from 2014
I side with the people that are upset because when you are paying premium prices it's reasonable to expect a premium product. Also there's literally zero reason why lego couldnt just put the holes in the right spot and make a new visor mold.
there is a great reason why the holes need to be higher in p2. if they made them lower the old visors would not fit. and therefore you would have to make a new mold for visors that would not fit the mandalorian and clone p1. binoculars would be designed differently which would make them incompatible with manarolians and p1.
it causes a lot of costs and people would get confused which accessories go with what.
The holes in p2 are great i can modify the clones however i want with them
@@oskaroks2285 Except that the real phase 2 visors ARE supposed to be completely different from the old phase 1 visors. The helmets are not identical, so the visor's design changed to be able to fit on the new helmets. They are an exclusive clone accessory in-universe. I get that they're toys at the end of the day, but if I'm paying $20 just to get 4 figures, the least they could do is put a little effort into making them look good. Just look at mega construx Halo figs for example, crazy levels of articulation and customization all while being incredibly accurate in detail, and you typically pay about $5 per figure, just like Lego. I honestly think the only reason they're doing this is to test the fans, see how far they can push back the quality of their product without losing profits.
@@oskaroks2285 that's just lazy ngl
I mean it's only sensible that the holes be placed in the circle spots. I've see GCC's helmet holes and they look Perfect
Right!? The lack of helmet holes securing the visor seemed to be the only issues of the recent GCC Commander Fox.
They should’ve made a new visor that’s accurate and clips on without the holes like how Cody’s visor actually looks
Then keep the holes where they should be, even if all the helmets had holes they’d look fine bc they’re in the right place
This is actually a great and fresh way of looking at Lego Star Wars, not just reviews and mocs (I do love reviews don’t get me wrong).
I look forward to whatever you plan on making next.
I would suggest something like looking at if AT- variants are actually all terrain but idk if that could make a whole video.
Thanks Joe
The helmet holes are here to stay at least for a year or two because when the stud shooter blasters first came out NO ONE liked it and it still took lego like 2 or 3 years to switch back and also lego will use the argument that kids can play with vizors and what not. In the perfect world we would get a new molded vizor that fits more like CAC ones but don't fall off as easly and the holes in the right place on the "ear" for the range finders.
god the stud shooters..
@@DarkBluishGray I'd Rather have the holes than have those accursed things return.
@@DarkBluishGray I'm still trying to find something to do with all the stud shooters I have now that I've replaced them with lego and third party Lego blasters.
@@LanternsLight mine reside in a hidden LEGO storage drawer..
@@DarkBluishGray Mine dwell in a brick shaped storage bin.
At least it means that for a time, we'll get clones with visor/holes that we didn't get before
So Fox & Bly are on the way
I'd love to see a Commander Bly.
@@DarkBluishGray That extra P1 clone commander in the advend calendar became a P1 bly as soon as i got the binocs, old school pauldron armor hides the markings x)
Wow. This video was so well done and explained, I subbed right off the bat. Great job. Also, I am extremely disappointed with the helmet holes, as star wars lego fans deserve better. Not only is it the best selling lego theme, it has the most massed produced and sold lego set ever. (the 501st battle pack) Because of this, lego star wars should at least get SOME kind of attention when it comes to simple clone troopers. Also if lego chose the "more expensive route" and didn't give clones the helmet holes that didnt need them, the sets would sell infinitely better and make more extra prophet then they would being lazy and "saving money"
Thanks man. Glad you dig it. I definitely see your points about Star Wars being the most produced and sold LEGO theme, so they could easily go the extra mile for detail, but for whatever reason they decided not to. I'm not too bummed about it.
@@DarkBluishGray I think its good that not everyone has the same opinion as me, because if they did, things would be chaotic lol. But as a stop motion creator, quality especially in the minifigs is crucial. Because lego star wars has never been perfect in meeting the fan demand for certain clone troopers at certain times, i've always found myself turning to other companies such as clone army customs when it comes to army building a certain clone legion for much cheaper. I usually buy their really high quality and accurate looking clone helmets, and put them on official lego clone bodies.
I would disagree with the notion that sets would sell infinitely better. Battlepacks will sell great either way, Gunship will sell great too, Clone wars sets will sell no matter what at this point, unless Lego will overprice them to high heavens or release something that no one asked for, like I don't know... Astromech battlepack or something.
@@nihili4196 I'd probably buy at least one Astromech Battle pack haha
@@nihili4196 yea bro fr like if they made a $20 dollar microfighter then theres always those people on amazon that you see: "2k+ people bought in the last month"
the outrage is very understandable considering lego is a multi billion dollar company and can easily make good looking helmets with holes in the right positions but wont
Underrated video, and I don't mind the helmet holes, just wish they would give us an option to cover them.
It seems the only way to properly cover them is with the visors.
I feel that helmet holes are more targeted to kids customizing their clones
@@malegends6066 My thought exactly.
Underrated? It just came out 💀
At this point who cares about the helmet holes
What I’m interested to see is if the old 332nd helmet goes up or down in value.
I’m no investor, but I think they will go up quite a bit because people will want to buy replacement helmets due to the objectively inaccurate holed helmets.
No cloth kamas is a bigger problem than holes to my mind
You're right about that!
"It's a toy for kids, the kids don't care"... these people are wrong, there are many kids who also care about accuracy. I hated every inaccuracy then as much as I do now.
The problem really stems from the lack of foresight on Lego's part, going all the way back to the Battle of Umbara sets where the modern phase 2 helmets began. I never understood why they designed those without helmet holes in mind right off the bat, when for years beforehand they had been churning out phase 1 helmets and mandalorian helmets with holes. It's such a basic aspect of functionality. They shot themselves in the foot by treating it as an afterthought and now they're trying (badly) to play catch-up.
I was arguing a couple of hours ago that Light and Dark Bluish Gray don't look even remotely bluish because of R.R. Slugger's most recent video. And then I get your channel recommended lmao. Don't know if it's already a meme in the community or something, but that's some coincidence.
great videos btw subscribed
Just the algorithm giving me some love haha. Was it his Snow speeder video?
@@DarkBluishGray yep
lego should do sorting system for p2 helmets lego can use both 2013 and 2022 helmets
2013 helmets for troopers or named clones that don't have attachments while 2022 helmets are for sunvisor and macro binocular visor
this is why some people buy cac or gcc figures because lego can’t do them properly .
Also for some reason the helmet holes also mess up the prints, the 212th got hit hard, luckily the 332nd prints weren’t too bad
As an older Star Wars fan I grew up with battlefront 2 (from Pandemic, not EA). I am just glad we got those perfect standard 501 Troopers without helmet holes as well as those cool heavy troopers with visors and hope for some Airboune Troopers (they will always be the sniper class to me) as well as Captain Rex in a small set. Than I am good with my little group of clones. A good generic minifigure scale LAAT from Episode 2 would be great as well.
what bugs me more than anything else regarding this controversy is how lego designed the box art for some of these sets to look like the rangefinder is in the right spot. It's LEGO, so I don't expect 100% accuracy from figures, and imo opinion this is a relatively minor issue, but LEGO (or at least the people who deal with box art) recognizing the issue and essentially trying to deceive buyers is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's really strange on their part.. lets at least advertise the product as it appears..
there is a great reason why the holes need to be higher in p2. if they made them lower the old visors would not fit. and therefore you would have to make a new mold for visors that would not fit the mandalorian and clone p1. binoculars would be designed differently which would make them incompatible with manarolians and p1.
it causes a lot of costs and people would get confused which accessories go with what.
The holes in p2 are great i can modify the clones however i want with them
The holes aren't even that bad. The fact that they made the dome more round than egg shaped is what bothers me.
The vent area is also bigger on the new helmets, and look more and more like the thick stormtrooper helmets.
I used to hate people mixing up stormies and p2 clones. But at this point the helmet is so round, it might as well be a stormie... Sigh. They don't look oval enough. It's not supposed to be a circle dome. Any reference from RotS or CW can show how thin they're supposed to look. I wish it didn't bother me, but it just doesn't look right to me.
So agreed. Should've made holes in the original, in the correct place, and a new visor. Then lego wouldn't have had to widen the helmet for the old visor anyway.
I honestly couldn’t care less about the helmet holes. The real problem is the clone helmet print. The visor print is too tiny and makes it look like a knock off figure. In my opinion, not a single phase 2 clone has looked good since the 501st battle pack in 2020. Imagine if we had gotten that set, but it came with 501st clones in the 2014 style of helmet. It could’ve been perfect.
This is a really really awesome video, amazing! And great work on the thumbnail too!
Thanks, glad you dug it.
Immaculate vibes warrant a subscription
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My biggest issue is not the holes themselves, but rather the derpy print on the top of the helmet. Something in their factory can’t seem to get the print right because of the holes, and that honestly looks worse imo.
It looks better in the final version, check it out.
Honestly, my biggest issue with the new clone figures is that their helmet holes seem to result in messed up printing, for some reason. All the prints are bowed out from the central fin and don't line up where they should be. The 212th AT-TE clones were even worse, having the orange arrow print not coming to point at the end as it should, in addition to the misaligned printing problem. Neither of these things were an issue on he old 212th clones, or any phase 2 clone figures without the helmet holes, and isn't really acceptable for the absurd prices Lego charges for their sets. If they fixed the printing issues, I could live with the helmet holes not always being in the right place.
All this over a visor that they wont even give custom printing
Ngl I think it looks decent
Well I do think the holes look somewhat stupid if the are not used and imho it would have been way better to come up with a visor that could use the holes on the right spot (which some custom versions show), but in the end I still buy it 😄👍🏻
Can't wait to see a new clone set with no clones that need visors to see if this theory is correct
Kashyyyk. Since Gree doesn’t need it that will be interesting. Luckily I have him just in case they f it up and give him helmet holes.
@@EchoBaseplates yea I really wanna get some more 41st troops
Watched this after your one year in lego video. Ive only been collecting for a couple months now and still just dont understand how people can get so upset over a detail like that
Playing devil's advocate, the holes objectively do make the shape of the helmet less authentic looking compared to previous versions. Is it something that would prevent me from buying new clones? Not at all. Would I prefer two different helmet molds depending on if helmet accessories are required or not? Probably.
I see both sides, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm just happy to see new clones.
Nah they could've just made cody and other captains/commanders use that helmet mold and keep the regular helmets for normal clones
IMO the best course of action would’ve been to:
1. Modify the current clone helmet and put the holes lower where they should be for rangefinders
2. Introduce a new helmet with the visor moulded on for commanders, but still have the hole in the correct spot you can add a rangefinder on top of that
And for those saying a unique helmet would be too expensive, LEGO gives background characters unique moulds all the time so I don’t buy that. Also they’d be reusing the helmet with so many different clones they’d make the money back easily
The old visor piece is so outdated and was made specifically for the phase 1 clone. It looks horrendous on the P2 clones
They should've just made a new dual mold for the helmet with visor and made a helmet with one hole on the side for the antenna and also at the right spot, then they'd just use them for different figures and with how expensive they are making their sets lately, it wouldn't hurt to up their quality
they are making them more expensive to match with inflation, making ultra specialised new helmets with no choice for accessories completely goes against lego’s design philosophy and would just make the prices even more expensive. the visors and rangefinders are supposed to work on all clones and mandalorians anyway so introduce this and you wont be able to put your shiny new accessories on other types of clones because they are moulded into them.
How do you not have more subscribers. This is good stuff.
Thanks! I'm still relatively new, hopefully I'll keep growing.
I'm just happy we're getting so many clones!
Me too
Same here.
The 2 things that annoy me the most are:
Why can't a billion dollar company include cloth carmas in their set?
I mean,it would be ok to just print them for children for better playability but then at least print them all around.
The second thing that annoys me even more are the wayyyy to big,chunky,terrible visors.I think we need new visors cause the ones we have right now are way to bulky ,inaccurate
Grown men when they have a hole in their plastic toys. 🙀
I would say this
It's less of blame Cody and more blame lego being absolutely lazy
Because they could have fixed the problem
All Lego needed to do was just make a new piece to be coming to Cody's helmet attachment
After all the Part they used is inaccurate compared to the real thing
2:29 gotta love the false advertising, no helmet holes on the standard 212th troopers and correct print, its like they acknowledge the issue but instead of fixing it they trick people
The helmet makes me cry at night
I think it's a real shame we only got one set with the best 332nd iteration. Sure, it was in a droid-focused set so you only get one, but it's such a good minifigure. Only to be replaced with an inferior version a couple years later.
The holes and it’s controversy is so annoying. They add to play and that’s what’s fun about them
That's an aspect I definitely consider. They are toys.
I both hate the new helmets holes and like it. I think that the visor works perfectly for the new holes. But my god the Range finder is the worst thing ever.
Also the holes make the helmet blocky
This is great! Love the channel and had to subscribe!
Glad you dig it my dude. I appreciate it.
I don't think the helmet holes wouldn't have been on the clone troopers even if Vaughn wasn't in the helmet sets, lego is probably going to keep everything the same. I personally, hate the fuckin helmet holes, from the front it looks so bad, side profile I can deal with.
The other diiference besides from the helmet holes is the molding above the printed visot for the black unibrow
Phase 2 cody is one of my favorite clone minufigures I would like some imperial clone sets like imperial atack shutle that set would include crosshair and his squad from bad batch season 1. Then I would like to see imperial cody figure
Honestly helmet holes aren’t that bad, but for some clones that will eventually release, it’s better to have only one, or none at all
I wonder if a future new Commander Gree will have any. He shouldn't.
@@DarkBluishGray same with Wolffe
@@DarkBluishGrayevery clone from now on uses helmet holes since the at te came out so if lego makes them they are having holes. 187th clones came out before the at te hence the lack of holes
@@Warsaw_Pact Wolffe has a rangefinder.
0:09 you can make those guys have helmet holes in the right spot with a small hand drill
Only time will tell, but I fear that the helmet with holes will be the only p2 helmet going forward. Even for minifigures like Hunter 😬
I hope sets without the need for accessories keep the older style helmet.
I'm starting to notice the commanders are ruining everything
Then ppl complain about how they wanted the commanders and captain💀💀💀
while cody was the reason helmet holes were introduced every clone after cody uses them and their benefits are made obvious with the 501st specialist pack as now there is much more customisation options for phase 2 clones. the helmets arent perfect but the benefits i think outweigh the negatives and they are here to stay regardless
@@doctorcreeps2169 fr like you can make the battlefront 2 mod 322nd officer,heavy and specialist or even a commander 501st or marshall(appo but just a regular soldier)
@@xguy2950 Then just make a commander battle pack instead of ruining grunt helmets.
@@EchoBaseplates great idea but is that really should be called a battlepack if their name clones❓❓❓❓😕😕
I don’t remember ever putting visors or antennas on regular troops even as a kid, it just looks stupid. It’s basically the worst of both worlds. Really sad too considering how many potentially cool clones we’re getting only to be ruined by those horrific helmet holes. If the reason is as simple as they want to save money the only way to fight this is to make them lose money by not buying any sets with this „feature”.
I actually quite like the visors and binos, just not the range finders though. Best case scenario would be two different helmet molds.
Good timeline review, much appreciated.
If they were to just not have the circle under the whole, it would look better, but it would be less accurate
Well the hole placement actually lines up correctly with the visor, it’s just the rangefinder’s that look off
Yeah but they dont care making specifics mold for the range finder
@@Azact true, I’m just pointing out how if you compare the placement of the visor to an official image of cody from the movie most will notice that it does rest above the area where range finder would usually sit
The helmet holes are severely overblown non issue. They are where they are to save money, yes, but also to keep accessories swappable between p1 and p2 helmets.
Real issues are bad quality prints and lack of fabrics. Vauhn should've had different print, and preferably be included in non battlepack set. Rex should have kama and pauldron.
Helmet holes are just a meaningles detail compared to those things
I totally see that point. The helmet holes don't bother me much, though I think they further fuel the opinion that quality and attention to detail are going down, while prices continue to go up.
Lack of fabric and print quality being prime examples.
I agree with sentiment, but this is being angry at wrong thing. Yeah, helmet holes aren't exactly pretty, but at least they're useful and allows for lot's of customisation. They work within system.
But bad prints, bad quality prints, lack of fabrics, minifigs that doesn't look like characters they're supposed to be.... This are massive problems. But people focus on heccin helmet holes, pushing everything else to the side, only mentioning those things off handedly.
With the amount of profit Lego is making, we should be getting arm printing and dual leg moulds on at least more importantly clones. We should be getting accurate prints. We should be getting Kamas on top of leg prints if Lego insists on them. If all, or even more of those were a thing, helmet holes would be just a detail that not everyone likes.
Honestly I wish holes were the only problem we have with minifigs alone.
I personally dont really care about these holes at all, to me they are no less annoying then the holes on the mando and p1 helmets.
They allow for more playability and customization wich are both great for a toy. What these are.
Im just glad were getting a bunch of sets with clones in them, my lego clone army has tripled since the that 501st legion set.
One more thing to add, as someone who so collects hasbro clone troopers i will take these holes 99 times out of 100 over the terrible paint apps that hasbro does. Seriously look up the latest andor p2 clone trooper from the vintage collection. It legit has the rex visor its printed on that bad
Personally I like the helmet holes better, it's more fun to be able to outfit your clones for special missions
I totally see that aspect. I just don't like the look of the rangefinder. Visors and binos look sick though.
@@DarkBluishGray yeah I get that, you did make some good points but I'm still pro helmet holes
Yeah the way I see it, Episode 3 only had sun visors and macrobinoculars. No rangefinders, that's a Clone Wars invention. So the holes above the "ears" are fine by me, though using non RP2 units with that helmet yet the AP2 style, such is the case with the 501st and 332nd, is not right. But what can they do? Make a separate production line? Nah, they obviously still just a family in a garage and not a multi-billion (US) dollar company. (also yeah icky they're trying to sell a regular 332nd with a visor as Vaughn, nice effort LEGO Group...)
The new battlepack has them aswell because of the shock trooper
At the time of making this video I speculated why LEGO chose to make the helmet holes universal for all Clones and blamed the Visors.. now it just seems like they changed the mold all together. Oh well.
@@DarkBluishGray Probably but we shall not abandon hope
Still waiting for Jango fett Lego mini figure
WM Blocks literally killed Lego with her customs
There’s no theory to the helmet holes the fighter tank was released before the at te and was the last clone set before they made the switch to the new mold I don’t think it matters if there’s a character with a visor
Sure it was released before, but that doesn't disprove my theory. If LEGO releases future Clone Trooper sets without named or otherwise visor clad clones and they still have helmet holes then my theory is wrong.
If you don't like it, don't buy it!
I will happily take the availability the other sets lacked due to the popularity
Let's be honest, everyone complained, but they will still buy it when it comes out
More power to you.
This is a very stupid situation
I’d argue LEGO was being cheap
Potentially, they know how much we love Clone Troopers.
Yes, I didn’t buy and I’m not gonna buy any sets with random clones having helmet holes.🤷♂️
They won’t here us so I speak with my wallet. My wallet’s happy 😁
You should do a full army display in December once all the clone sets are out
Honestly i don't really care about the holes i care about that i wan't commander fox and vaughn the only thing that i hate it's the antena piece it's just way to high and if you take a few more times in and out it will loosen up and i will be determined to reinforce it with a napkin
Don't love the helmet holes. But honestly, I would have hated them way more when I was younger. Now, I'm just glad to be getting these awesome, albeit flawed, figures.
Nah the helmet holes don’t bug me at all. I have four 501st specialists battle packs in my 501st army. Which I make them as just part of building my army. Though I will say the price tag for the 332nd battle pack. With literally nothing new or unique about the battle other then it’s another Swamp Speeder that didn’t take place in the Siege of Mandalore. I may only pick up one or two of them and that’s about it.
the macros dont stay down without new helmet holes, doesnt matter, still hate them
Why didn’t they just put it on only Cody’s head and Blayne some others with attachments😭😭😭😭
are the holes bad? yes. do i care? no. why ? because i have the ones without the holes meaning i just have another variation of clone in my collection, but like all sets i buy, i wait for them to get a discount before buying
I want helmet holes but they way they went about it was shit
Cool video. Thumbs up! :D !!
Why blame Commander Cody? I mean what did he do to deserve the blame, he's just a good soldier who follows orders.
He chose to wear a visor. I specifically told him not to do that.
Honestly I believe that theyre just gonna stick with the helmet hole version from now om regardless of if accessories are included. To them its just an upgraded version of the mold.
Unpopular opinion, I believe the helmet holes aren’t that much of a big deal. I do like them and I like it that it’s worth putting on accessories so you don’t have to deal with the looks.
I don’t understand why y’all those Lego Star Wars fan be whining about a small minor thing, they all be action like Karens. So y’all just shut your trap and just embrace it like a normal person would🫤
Playing devil's advocate. I tend to agree with those that think standard Clones really shouldn't have the helmet holes. They do look better without them.
I don't think it's unheard of to want two different helmet molds for different trooper roles. Personally I don't mind them much, but I understand where people are coming from considering LEGO Star Wars is an expensive premium product.
The new 332nd troopers dont have the goofy ahh thick unibrows it was just poor rendering
Thankfully. LEGO graphic designers just like to play with our emotions.
dark bluish gray isnt even remotely blue 💀
Exactly, but I'm Gray and am dark bluish.
Great video!
Thanks!
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As much as I don't like the holes myself, this hatred is just not okay. We should appriciate even having these clones with a crisp new desing
Yeah I know. We get these sets for free, we have no reason to be complaining.
@@EchoBaseplates demanding quality is indeed important. I also feel sorry about not getting perfect stuff. But fans complain over and over again. Lego gave us a cool new mold for the Darksabar, people have a problem, Lego remakes their clone design and gives us clones in many sets, people have a problem. And we could go on. It has been said countless times that it's problematic, it should be over. Looking at the bright side would make this otherwise intensely toxic community much better to be a part of
helmet holes dont bother me in-play but in photography it's not too bad.
I wish theyd just move the existing side piece up to halfway between the existing place and the new holes so it looks accurate but also works for accessories
I wish they had made the holes dents like in the classic racing helmet.
Yeah no shit this is not a conspiracy I’ve literally known this for 10 years it’s simple logic when you think about why lego was waiting so long to make phase 2 Cody
I think you underplay the satirical nature of this video. I'll be sure to appear more sarcastic in the future.
wait this was a joke?? i thought you were being completely serious and it looks like everyone else thought the same
@@doctorcreeps2169 At the 4:18 mark I go on to say I don't really care. It's just a fun video.
As an outsider, this doesn't seam like that big of a deal, why not just get some "Perfect Plastic Putty" or something similar and fill in the holes? It's super easy to do.
I think a lot of the criticism comes from very hardcore long time fans that experienced the "golden age" of lego star wars growing up. The quality and detail of those older clone troopers is undeniable. The new P2 helmet holes do change the shape of the helmet and also affect the print accuracy. They don't bother me much, but I can see why some people would be bummed considering LEGO says "Only the best is good enough".
@@DarkBluishGray Ahh i see now. Looking at my old clone helmets from some of the first clone sets, I can totally see what you mean now. Interesting.
I with this dude I don’t really care about the holes
Actually I like the helmet holes.
The only part I don’t like about helmet holes is that the range finder doesn’t sit level with the clone’s visor 😤
Great video
Thanks Sully.