They should have done an episode where only the saucer section of the Enterprise D went back in time to Earth's past and someone sees it and that's where they get the idea for aliens who fly around in saucer-shaped ships
@@josephlatourette8329 it can, but in the same context as that guy did to his arm when it was trapped in that film about the real life event. Or like generations but with explosive bolts. Or like beyond, but smaller.
@@sadmagicalsenpai3728 Geordi: "Coolant leak! We've got a coolant leak! Everyone get out of here, now!" Billy Mays: "NOT SO FAST LAFORGE, JUST FLEX TAPE AND FORGET IT."
yes i agree that was sad and she had meny years of life left to her but i guess they wanted to introduce the Sovereign Class Enterprise E in First Contact but they did bring her back for the 2 part final "All Good Things" where she was a totaly bad ass Galaxy Class Dreadnougt
She should have been there till Nemesis, where she smashes her saucer section into Scimitar, thus ending her Starfleet service, since the "new" Sovereign-class ships would be in service by then. Then Enterprise-E comes in as Enterprise-D is retired. And a whole new series could have been, with the Enterprise-E....
I've always wondered why (aside from aesthetical and financial reasons, production-wise) Picard so rarely ordered the saucer to detach before dangerous encounters in order to safeguard the hundreds of civilians living aboard the vessel. They had a full complement of civilians exposed to mortal danger far, far too often...
I think that might have been the original plan for the show , but the drive section just didn't look that cool without the saucer . so they decided not to do it that often
well due to the writing apparently it was never that seriously needed. like it just surprisingly was not as practical as one might think. as for your comment about civllians being exposed to mortal danger far to often. i wont lie but i can think of not nearly as many as you may think where that was really the case. a good example is descent part 2 where i do think they could have maybe at least evcauated the civilans to the scauer but maybe they needed the bridge bridge for beleverlys beam up plan to work lol. honestly idk i mean its clearly not like they forgot it existed but i mean asking why they did not use the scauer secection to detach more often is like asking why apparently you can beam through the shields sometimes and other times not.
@@thewewguy8t88 Sisko brought his wife and kid and a bunch of civilians to the battle at wolf 359 . I never understood why he couldn't drop them off somewhere before the battle . if there were no planets nearby just leave them out in space in the escape pods before going into the battle
Always thought it was nuts not to install a small minimum warp 3 wap drive somehow into the saucer section. If your in the middle of nowhere and communications go out and the star drive got destroyed about 2 or 3 light years away as it flew back to fight an enemy. You might as well become a generational saucer section as it takes you maybe 50 to 100 years to fky to the next communications relay or class M Planet.
It looks cool and everything, but from an engineering standpoint it would be really challenging (and expensive) to design such a ship, with separate power systems, two main computers, separate propulsion etc. Also there would be two "decks" that aren't useable since you basically have to travel through the hull to get to the other section.
But also very useful as we've seen the two halves operate effectively in combat and as a life raft. They effectively created two ships and combined them. I only wish they did it more like in the 1st season episode when LaForge was in command. It makes sense to leave the civilians on the saucer and take the star drive section into combat or high risk situations.
@SiXiam no. The saucer section does all the science and medical work so it needs all that power. When Starfleet designed saucer separation it they knew they could fix Prime Directive violations as they arose.
I cried when the ship was destroyed. And I cried when she came back. “…. She got the right name. You treat her like a lady, she will always bring you home.”
@@NorthForkFisherman Best ending she could possibly have gotten. Restoration complete, and in a museum where she'll be looked after for decades to come alongside her prestigious older sisters, NX-01 and NCC-1701-A.
It's a shame they ruined everything with that silly STO mission disguised as a finale, and making that hideous garbage scow the Enterprise G. I mean really if they wanted to do the F dirty like that they could've just recommissioned the D. It's right there. But then it wouldn't be Picard if it didn't maliciously destroy the nostalgia it pulls out.
Interesting fact. The Sovereign-Class was designed with Saucer Separation in mind. We never got to see it sadly. There's also a ship in Star Trek Online, the Odyssey-Class that can also Saucer Separate. It was designed by a fan for a contest where fans got to design the Enterprise-F.
But these talentless at Cryptic hacks couldn't even evolve that design properly. Most of the variations of the Oddyssey just suck and they ruined the Enterprise F.
To be honest, I've never been a fan of that class of ship having seperation abilities. I think that part of it is that it feels not necessary. The main issue, however, is what I would consider a design flaw. The drive section doesn't have impulse engines. If that ship class seperates, the drive section would be stuck with manuvering thrusters or would only be able to go to warp. Not the best idea in my opinion.
Even the 'original' TOS Enterprise had saucer separation. Whilst it was never seen, on screen, Kirk mentions it in the episode 'The Apple': "Tie every ounce of power the ship has into the impulse engines. Discard the warp drive nacelles if you have to, and crack out of there with the main section, but get that ship out of there!" Although it'd be a permanent thing; not able to reattach, once done. So it seems plausible that saucer separation is a feature built in to most starships; particularly ones with the standard saucer + engineering hull sections. May be a bit pointless for ships such as the Miranda class. But they, too, may still be able to jettison the nacelles, if required.
well If they did the only fact was like in Star Trek Continues the Sovreign-Class Star Drive with be doing the same thing as the Connie's Secondary Hull would and that is relying on thrusters were as the Sovreign Class would have the Impulse Engines to use.
You know it's crazy that we only got to see the saucer separation 4 times throughout Star Trek the Next Generation the first time was in the 2 part pilot episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' then in 'Arsenal of Freedom' then in the 2 part episode 'The Best of Both Worlds' and sadly the last time was in Star Trek Generations as the final voyage of the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D and as Riker said 'She went before her time' and sadly that was true as the life expectancy of the Galaxy Class was 100 years and the Enterprise D was in service for only 8 years who followed the destruction of her sister ship the U.S.S. Yamato from the season 2 episode 'Contagion' where that ship was lost with all hands.
Granted, even by the time of Generations (stardate 48632.4), there was already some small rumblings about a little thing called the Dominion, with which the subsequent war would basically spell the end of the Galaxy class as a common ship. If it wasn't destroyed here, it would probably ended up in the fleet museum not long after.
@@tompinkerton8099Yeah there were a lot of Galaxy Class Starships involved in the Dominion War but remember in that episode where they fought against the combined fleet of the Dominion,Cardassians and the Breen where the Breen ships fired an energy dampening weapon at the combined fleets of the Federation,Klingons and Romulans and all those ships lost power and the crews were forced to abandon ship and as we saw the destruction of the Defiant we also saw the wrecked ships of those 3 major powers and what about the Battle of Wolf 359 I saw this video of the ship classes involved in that battle what if there was another Galaxy Class Starship that was there during the fight and it sadly suffered the same fate.
Only four times I remember it separating, all of them in this video. Farscape, Arsenal of Freedom, Best of both Worlds, and Generations. And besides Generations which was an emergency, all the other ones were early in the series. None later in the series. What a pity.
Enterprise-D has a lot of weapons we never got to see, sadly. Of the thirteen phaser banks, it only ever fired from six of them: mostly from the two on the saucer, once from the stardrive head, once from the stardrive ventral phaser, and finally a blink-and-you’ll-miss it shot from the nacelle struts. (There was also that one time they shot phasers from a torpedo tube, but that was an effects mistake that got corrected on the blu-ray release.)
Read the Novel Rogue Saucer its a story of the TNG Crews adventure of the Enterprise Saucer being damaged severely so to get to a Starbase Riker orders the crew to the Battlebridge after a while Picard and Data join them when they arrive an Admiral stationed there meets with the Male Senior Officers of the Enterprise The Admiral Orders them to join her on the mission of testing a new Saucer developed to protect the people on board and stay intact Riker gets chosen to command the saucer during the test flight the Saucer had no name just in Big Numbers 4401 lets say a mutiny happens during the adventure and it forces Picard to destroy that saucer with torpedos the mutiny happened after Saucer was separated so yes they can be changed
"velocity difference of 1/2 meter a second" is over 3 minutes to move 100 meters or 30 minutes to move a kilometer, or two kilometers in an hour (~1.8 mph). Such tension when you are only moving at walking speed.
Personally, I would have never destroyed the Enterprise D, and used the ship in all the TNG movies. Though maybe we could see the saucer crash-landing, before fixing the timeline. 🖖😀
Oliver Franke there is a good alternate ending vid of generations where Picard uses the nexus to go back to when soran is in ten forward and he arrests him 😂
Enterprise, Enterprise A, Enterprise B, and the Enterprise C looking at the Enterprise D. "So what can you do??" Enterprise D: 0:15 "I can do this!" :D
@@PantherAusfD1944 Most vessels using a saucer/stardrive configuration had the ability to saucer separate. The Galaxy Class was unique because it could reattach without the need of a starbase, as the original 1701 and 1701-A would require.
That last seperation at virdian three punches differently now with the final episode of picard. Instead of how I original saw it as the crew committing a desperate act of survival, its now more like the ship itself did everything in its power to save the crew, even after they lost total control, by sacreficing itself. the crash is actually a beautifully tragic and sorrowful scene, like when data dies in nemesis.
Just noticed they forgot all the connection points on the star drive section that would have been extended at the time of separation in Generations. They are missing.
The first seperation, from Encounter at Farpoint is HILARIOUS....Data says it can ONLY BE DONE AT MAXIMUM WARP, AT EXTREME RISK....and it happens easily and flawlessly.
Spacedock actually covered this. I guess the saucer section has it's own systems to maintain the warp bubble to keep itself going and to drop out of warp. But it cannot achieve warp speed on it's own.
The TNG Tech manual states that the Saucer had warp maintainer systems. It could maintain a warp bubble for a short period of time before it collapsed. Basically enough to safely separate, and then slow down to sub-light speed after the drive section is clear. It cannot go to warp or maintain warp on it's own.
1:31 The name is painted on the saucer section inside the connection and not visible unless docking. So is that to make sure you don't get the wrong saucer in a fleet situation? "Cygnus bridge to Enterprise battle bridge--- What the hell are you guys doing?!?'
The two impulse engines on the aft side of the saucer, between where the saucer meets the stardrive. You can see them lit up red in the sep sequence in Generations.
I always did like that shot in Arsenal of Freedom where the two halves of the Enterprise-D fly in formation, only for the Stardrive Section to peel away, and go off on it's own.
Such a weird concept to think a saucer separation would mean anything to the Borg who finished plowing through multiple classes/sizes of starships before
they knew that Picard/Locutus knew about the plan and that the only real threat was the drive section and therefore the cube ignored the saucer section , allowing it to get close . it then fired anti matter allowing a shuttle to sneak through the Borg shield to kidnap Locutus . the only real question is why did the Borg then leave instead of finishing off the Enterprise (or at least the drive section that didn't have Locutus onboard) or why not overwhelm their defenses to get Locutus back . they just left him there and then Data used him to hack them
@@MajorGrin the borg, at the time, simply had no capacity to give a damn. Locutus served his purpose, losing him at that stave was irrelevant. They went to gobble up earth, because thats what they came to do. That data would hack them literally never even crossed their mind. An unprecedented procedure only enabled by data and picard cooperating.
How silly is it that somebody would have to command the ship manually to re-attach? "Velocity to one half-meter per second." (Crash) "Dangit I should have done one quarter-meter per second."
to be fair it's only because Picard ordered him to do it manually , to test him or something . I guess becomes sometimes the computer breaks down and they need to know to do everything manually
@@MajorGrin also silly, if the computer breaks down all those touch screen interfaces would just freeze like on an Android Tablet, not recognize any inputs... press the hard reset button and wait for it to reboot, don't do it manually you insane people! ...and anyway, wouldn't manually mean using the Joystick from Insurrection? Now there is a picture to think about ;P
@@ZeroB4NG think about it as nowadays plane's autopilot. Planes can land automatically but pilots need to know how to land manually. Moreover, in the possible scenario autopilot fails it wouldn't mean the fly-by-wire system would malfunction.
@@ZeroB4NG every console probably has its own backup computer . but if the main computer breaks down the ship won't be able to perform complex operations automatically
**That time Data took over the Enterprise** Picard: Lieutenant LaForge, prepare for saucer separation. Wesley: Sir, we're at warp 9.3! Picard: Yes, Ensign. It went fine the first time we did it. Wesley: Oh. That was the Farpoint mission right? My mom and I weren't on board at the time so I guess that's why- Picard: Shut up, Wesley!
If you notice from the little tiny explosions on the Stardrive's neck they were able to seperate so quickly in Generations because they blew up the little clamps that hold the ship together (that you see in close up in the series) rather than wait for them to disconnect properly since the ship was gonna explode anyway so they weren't going to reattach.
Too bad we only got to see it a handful of times. It should have been used at least once a season just for the epicness of it. The first separation and the Borg battle ones are so good !
The reason they stopped using it is that after season 3 they got a smaller, more detailed and easier to film shooting model (this was before CGI so Enterprise D was a physical prop) which didn't seperate like the original one did. When they pulled the original model out again for the Borg fight the prop crew almost broke it and swore never to use it again, until they had to for Generations because the newer model was too small to look good on a film screen.
The fact that technology limited how regularly they could do saucer sep added to the impact when they did do it. When the ship separates you know shit has hit the fan.
Little known fact Voyager was originally going to have saucer seperation but the idea was scraped during concept design of the ship but you can still see reminants of the design in way of engineering, propulsion ect seperated from the main living area by a "goose neck"
funny how Q was just thrown in at the last second to pad the episode with a B-plot, and then the actor basically went "screw that, i'm making it the A-plot"
in April of 2000 I did an alternate ending of the saucer landing in it Riker is Captain(played by me we used Voiceovers for the scene since we didnt have props like Hollywood) Riker climbs out of the Saucer and realizes hes the only one alive from the crash blood on his forehead he sees comedy props on the ground he picks them up and begins reading them outloud when the last joke was done Picard(he was on the Stargazer because Starfleet recommissioned it remember its alternate timeline) Picards voice cameover the combadge Captain Riker come in we detected the ship crashed on the planet below standby to be beamed up Riker replies Standing by he puts the props back down and touching his combadge he said One to beam up (since we didnt have props that was the cue for the stagehand to turn off the lights to be our transporter beam up) it was fun making it but it was hard getting the fake blood off after the show
If only they were able to install secondary phaser banks at the "top" of the engineering section. Maybe then... non-essential crew, families, and civilians could be kept safe during all combat situations but the unexpected ones and the Enterprise would not lose half its phaser banks from a saucer separation. Gives me an idea though. What if a Galaxy Class Starship had a saucer separation... but then the two halves of the ship were ironically and indefinitely lost to one another and unable to return to Starfleet, forcing both vessels to made due... the crew of the saucer section having to build their own warp engines and both crews having to construct new weapons. If not that, it could become a sort of experiment for Starfleet's starship designers.
*Star Trek Generations (1995)* Enterprise D saucer section crash made with physical models is literally a century ahead of the *Star Trek Beyond (2016)* Enterprise NCC-1701 saucer section crash in terms of visuals.
Everyone loves when the Enterprise splits and hails the crew as geniuses when they used both sections to save Picard but when the Prometheus does it, there's nothing but criticism
They made the saucer section a life boat without even warp 1 to slowly get home. Civies on board are actually expendable. Let that sink in for a minute
I do think that It's Demise with separating One Last Time was Appropriate and Not just Blowing up with shuttles leaving or something Worse ! Just not Being Overrun by a Measly BoP facePalm
Was that first separation at warp? I can understand the saucer remaining at warp whilst close to the rest of the ship as it would still be within the warp field, however, once far enough apart it would no longer be within the field. The saucer section doesn't have a warp drive and no longer being in the warp field means they couldn't maintain warp even if they had remaining enertia. Did they mention anything about this in the episode? It feels like the writers might not have thought this through, but given its the first episode, I guess the future episodes were the ones that didn't look back.
The saucer section has warp sustainer coils built into the impulse drive i.e. it's close to the fusion-powered warp drive. The saucer section's fusion-based impulse drives are active during saucer separation. Also refer to photon torpedoes also has warp sustainer engine. The Ross class's saucer section with ring warp coils and an anti-matter-based warp core.
That was the point. They had an additional seperation mode where the latches just blow off to get the Saucer off faster in situations like this where the Drive section is about to be destroyed anyway. That was actually supposed to be a close up shot of them getting destroyed but the "Battle head" filming model ie: the one shown at 0:09 which is just a giant version of the "neck" of the ship with the latches that retract out of it was in too bad a shape by the time Generations rolled around, since they only had used it the one time and it sat unused for 7 years.
I have an idea to re-write Generations, though I’m sure someone has already thought of this and I don’t know. The star drive still explodes, but Data and Troi achieve standard orbit around the planet. Starfleet still has to come rescue them and because of damage the saucer took it’s decommissioned and put in a museum. The crew is then assigned to a Sovereign class ship named the E-E so that the flagship remains a top of the line ship (by happy coincidence). During a future feature film, the E-E could fly by the E-D saucer to please some fans. I think fans would be happier with this outcome and the executives still get their new ship.
What is the point of rewriting it? It's not like you can improve upon the original, and it wouldn't be canon in ST continuity, so it's not something the fans would ever accept.
It's always the same shot that ILM recorded at the beginning of the first season as stock footage. It is also a shame that there was no seperation in the later seasons. The whole concept wasnt well thought out. You can see that e.g. At Voyager much better, where it is that it can seperate in three parts and then attack with all three parts at the same time, that makes more sense, i.e. the separation with the Enterprise D. It is also a shame that the bridge was no longer used in the later seasons. This is mainly due to the fact that the battle bridge was later always redesigned and became the Alien Ship of the Week or the Alien Bridge of the week. you remember in which room Captain Picard landed as Borg on the Enterprise? This is the same room where Data created his daughter. And that was the battle bridge. It was simply redesigned and it was done so well that no one did even realize that it was the battle Bridge, but that it looked as if it was a completely new room.
It was planned to be a regular thing but the powers that be felt it slowed stories down to a crawl, If I were in the writers room I'd have episodes where the Saucer had separated before the episode even started, the idea being that The Enterprise was required to do so to either cover more ground during an exploration mission or have the civilians and Non-Essential Personnel sent to a starbase aboard the Saucer when the Enterprise has been ordered into a potentially dangerous situation.
@@DelcoRanz93 The main reason is that there were 3 filming models of the 1701-D, a two foot model (Used in Seasons 1 and 2), a 4 foot model (Used for the remainder of the series) and a 6 foot model and only the 6 foot model had the detachable saucer and was by all accounts, a royal pain to use and very costly to operate, which is why saucer separation did not happen every other week. Now in the days of CGI everything, you'd probably get that.
They should have done an episode where only the saucer section of the Enterprise D went back in time to Earth's past and someone sees it and that's where they get the idea for aliens who fly around in saucer-shaped ships
That’s good
@@eoghanlacey6384 LOL are you being serious or sarcastic
The original Enterprise already did that Tomorrow is Yesterday
@@echozgus I didn't realize the saucer section could separate from the original Enterprise
@@josephlatourette8329 it can, but in the same context as that guy did to his arm when it was trapped in that film about the real life event. Or like generations but with explosive bolts. Or like beyond, but smaller.
"To show you the power of flex tape i sawed this ship in half"
"Captain, antimatter containment fields are destabilizing!"
"That's a lot of damage, Mr. LaForge."
@@sadmagicalsenpai3728 Geordi: "Coolant leak! We've got a coolant leak! Everyone get out of here, now!"
Billy Mays: "NOT SO FAST LAFORGE, JUST FLEX TAPE AND FORGET IT."
To show you the power of flex tape, I sawed the Universe in two
@@lieutenantdata7156 greetings commander
@@Yusuke_Denton MacGyver: Don't you guys have Screwdrivers, Lemons, Wire and some plastic?
The D was always my favourite. She conveyed a feeling of being both graceful and powerful.
Majestic is the word.
Everyone loves the D
Something to think about: the Enterprise-D saucer separated 4 times. However...... We've only seen the Enterprise-D rejoin together ONLY ONCE.
Two rejoinings happened off-screen... And one didn't happen ;(
@@mariasirona1622 riker had some explaining to do
Aft exploded and front crashed
I think it’s twice, both season 1
Riker rejoined them the first time and separated them the last time.
Two more copies are stored in a pattern buffer, somewhere. 😂
The saucer section’s a sitting duck!
-Wesley, that one time
I never liked that line since in other episodes they said hunting is no longer practiced on Earth
Still have Duck Hunt.
"Shut up Wesley!"
That line always quacks me up...
@@NitpickingNerd Admiral Kirk also said: "So we're a sitting duck" in Star Trek III after being hit by the Bird of Prey.
It always hurts to see her being distroyed in "Generations"
She went down in a terribly bad way. She at least deserved a worthy enemy.
yes i agree that was sad and she had meny years of life left to her but i guess they wanted to introduce the Sovereign Class Enterprise E in First Contact but they did bring her back for the 2 part final "All Good Things" where she was a totaly bad ass Galaxy Class Dreadnougt
the ships blows up is an annoying trope
@@Damorann Every worthy enemy she had mopped the floor with her.
She should have been there till Nemesis, where she smashes her saucer section into Scimitar, thus ending her Starfleet service, since the "new" Sovereign-class ships would be in service by then. Then Enterprise-E comes in as Enterprise-D is retired. And a whole new series could have been, with the Enterprise-E....
Picard: "Lt. Barclay will perform a manual redocking of the saucer section"
Crew: Scrambles to the escape pods!!
One of the coolest features of one of the coolest ships in all of Sci-Fi
I've always wondered why (aside from aesthetical and financial reasons, production-wise) Picard so rarely ordered the saucer to detach before dangerous encounters in order to safeguard the hundreds of civilians living aboard the vessel. They had a full complement of civilians exposed to mortal danger far, far too often...
I think that might have been the original plan for the show , but the drive section just didn't look that cool without the saucer . so they decided not to do it that often
Well.... Starfleet probably had them all sign a waiver form.
well due to the writing apparently it was never that seriously needed. like it just surprisingly was not as practical as one might think. as for your comment about civllians being exposed to mortal danger far to often. i wont lie but i can think of not nearly as many as you may think where that was really the case. a good example is descent part 2 where i do think they could have maybe at least evcauated the civilans to the scauer but maybe they needed the bridge bridge for beleverlys beam up plan to work lol. honestly idk i mean its clearly not like they forgot it existed but i mean asking why they did not use the scauer secection to detach more often is like asking why apparently you can beam through the shields sometimes and other times not.
@@thewewguy8t88 Sisko brought his wife and kid and a bunch of civilians to the battle at wolf 359 . I never understood why he couldn't drop them off somewhere before the battle . if there were no planets nearby just leave them out in space in the escape pods before going into the battle
Always thought it was nuts not to install a small minimum warp 3 wap drive somehow into the saucer section. If your in the middle of nowhere and communications go out and the star drive got destroyed about 2 or 3 light years away as it flew back to fight an enemy. You might as well become a generational saucer section as it takes you maybe 50 to 100 years to fky to the next communications relay or class M Planet.
ahhh good memories
Yes and this is and a saucer sep is one of those images I want to keep in my head for a lifetime.💖
Good times man
It looks cool and everything, but from an engineering standpoint it would be really challenging (and expensive) to design such a ship, with separate power systems, two main computers, separate propulsion etc. Also there would be two "decks" that aren't useable since you basically have to travel through the hull to get to the other section.
But also very useful as we've seen the two halves operate effectively in combat and as a life raft. They effectively created two ships and combined them. I only wish they did it more like in the 1st season episode when LaForge was in command. It makes sense to leave the civilians on the saucer and take the star drive section into combat or high risk situations.
@@alexgataricAlso the ship was redundant anyway because of 5 year missions and Miles O'Brien importance of a third backup Starfleet redundancy rules.
Actually the D had three computer cores. Two in the saucer, one in engineering.
@@Adam-ln4og But wouldn't that violate Starfleet regs when they are separated? Needing a primary and 2 backups.
@SiXiam no.
The saucer section does all the science and medical work so it needs all that power.
When Starfleet designed saucer separation it they knew they could fix Prime Directive violations as they arose.
I cried when the ship was destroyed. And I cried when she came back.
“…. She got the right name. You treat her like a lady, she will always bring you home.”
And now...with the finale of Picard?
@@NorthForkFisherman Best ending she could possibly have gotten. Restoration complete, and in a museum where she'll be looked after for decades to come alongside her prestigious older sisters, NX-01 and NCC-1701-A.
@@filthycasual8187 "I missed that voice".
Frakes really went for the heart with that one, didn't he?
OP
It's a shame they ruined everything with that silly STO mission disguised as a finale, and making that hideous garbage scow the Enterprise G.
I mean really if they wanted to do the F dirty like that they could've just recommissioned the D. It's right there.
But then it wouldn't be Picard if it didn't maliciously destroy the nostalgia it pulls out.
Interesting fact. The Sovereign-Class was designed with Saucer Separation in mind. We never got to see it sadly.
There's also a ship in Star Trek Online, the Odyssey-Class that can also Saucer Separate. It was designed by a fan for a contest where fans got to design the Enterprise-F.
But these talentless at Cryptic hacks couldn't even evolve that design properly. Most of the variations of the Oddyssey just suck and they ruined the Enterprise F.
To be honest, I've never been a fan of that class of ship having seperation abilities. I think that part of it is that it feels not necessary. The main issue, however, is what I would consider a design flaw. The drive section doesn't have impulse engines. If that ship class seperates, the drive section would be stuck with manuvering thrusters or would only be able to go to warp. Not the best idea in my opinion.
Even the 'original' TOS Enterprise had saucer separation. Whilst it was never seen, on screen, Kirk mentions it in the episode 'The Apple':
"Tie every ounce of power the ship has into the impulse engines. Discard the warp drive nacelles if you have to, and crack out of there with the main section, but get that ship out of there!"
Although it'd be a permanent thing; not able to reattach, once done. So it seems plausible that saucer separation is a feature built in to most starships; particularly ones with the standard saucer + engineering hull sections. May be a bit pointless for ships such as the Miranda class. But they, too, may still be able to jettison the nacelles, if required.
The wait is almost over.
well If they did the only fact was like in Star Trek Continues the Sovreign-Class Star Drive with be doing the same thing as the Connie's Secondary Hull would and that is relying on thrusters were as the Sovreign Class would have the Impulse Engines to use.
1:45 really made it look like they were about to dock and then said "NOOOOPE!"
YES🤘🏻
You know it's crazy that we only got to see the saucer separation 4 times throughout Star Trek the Next Generation the first time was in the 2 part pilot episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' then in 'Arsenal of Freedom' then in the 2 part episode 'The Best of Both Worlds' and sadly the last time was in Star Trek Generations as the final voyage of the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D and as Riker said 'She went before her time' and sadly that was true as the life expectancy of the Galaxy Class was 100 years and the Enterprise D was in service for only 8 years who followed the destruction of her sister ship the U.S.S. Yamato from the season 2 episode 'Contagion' where that ship was lost with all hands.
The Odyssey, too, was a Galaxy class ship and she was destroyed in DS9
Granted, even by the time of Generations (stardate 48632.4), there was already some small rumblings about a little thing called the Dominion, with which the subsequent war would basically spell the end of the Galaxy class as a common ship. If it wasn't destroyed here, it would probably ended up in the fleet museum not long after.
@@kargaroc386 There were tons of Galaxy class ships that fought in the Dominion War.
@@tompinkerton8099Yeah there were a lot of Galaxy Class Starships involved in the Dominion War but remember in that episode where they fought against the combined fleet of the Dominion,Cardassians and the Breen where the Breen ships fired an energy dampening weapon at the combined fleets of the Federation,Klingons and Romulans and all those ships lost power and the crews were forced to abandon ship and as we saw the destruction of the Defiant we also saw the wrecked ships of those 3 major powers and what about the Battle of Wolf 359 I saw this video of the ship classes involved in that battle what if there was another Galaxy Class Starship that was there during the fight and it sadly suffered the same fate.
“Where did the Enterprise go?”
“It had to split.”
some of the best trek in the franchise. I remember watching this when it first came on tv. What a feeling
Problem is, I can never think about saucer separation without assuming it's part of some plot by the crew to assassinate the Captain...
you watched too many tng recuts :D
In the Mirror Universe,perhaps.
Ever make an omelet?
But the Picard! That, “son of a JACKAL!”
@@NitpickingNerd We can never get enough of tng recuts😆
Only four times I remember it separating, all of them in this video. Farscape, Arsenal of Freedom, Best of both Worlds, and Generations. And besides Generations which was an emergency, all the other ones were early in the series. None later in the series. What a pity.
I have to say this
It’s a flying saucer
When separated, the Saucer has a staggering compliment of Photon Torpedoes ready to unleash from its aft cannon. Too bad we never saw these used.
Enterprise-D has a lot of weapons we never got to see, sadly. Of the thirteen phaser banks, it only ever fired from six of them: mostly from the two on the saucer, once from the stardrive head, once from the stardrive ventral phaser, and finally a blink-and-you’ll-miss it shot from the nacelle struts. (There was also that one time they shot phasers from a torpedo tube, but that was an effects mistake that got corrected on the blu-ray release.)
I wonder if all same class ships were interchangeable. Don’t remember it ever being mentioned in an episode.
Read the Novel Rogue Saucer its a story of the TNG Crews adventure of the Enterprise Saucer being damaged severely so to get to a Starbase Riker orders the crew to the Battlebridge after a while Picard and Data join them when they arrive an Admiral stationed there meets with the Male Senior Officers of the Enterprise The Admiral Orders them to join her on the mission of testing a new Saucer developed to protect the people on board and stay intact Riker gets chosen to command the saucer during the test flight the Saucer had no name just in Big Numbers 4401 lets say a mutiny happens during the adventure and it forces Picard to destroy that saucer with torpedos the mutiny happened after Saucer was separated so yes they can be changed
"velocity difference of 1/2 meter a second" is over 3 minutes to move 100 meters or 30 minutes to move a kilometer, or two kilometers in an hour (~1.8 mph). Such tension when you are only moving at walking speed.
seems about right, ISS dockings are that fast at most during final approach
Personally, I would have never destroyed the Enterprise D, and used the ship in all the TNG movies. Though maybe we could see the saucer crash-landing, before fixing the timeline. 🖖😀
Exactly, Picard and Kirk could have returned to the point in time before the klingons started the attack.
@@braveintofuture Would that change anything? How do Picard and Kirk stop the Klingons from attacking?
Oliver Franke
Possibly remodulated shield frequencies.
@@2bituser569 How do they tel them they hacked their shiled frequencies? They don't even know the Enterprise crashed in Veridian 3.
Oliver Franke there is a good alternate ending vid of generations where Picard uses the nexus to go back to when soran is in ten forward and he arrests him 😂
I enjoyed the Enterprise-D as a toy because I have two ships :)
Enterprise, Enterprise A, Enterprise B, and the Enterprise C looking at the Enterprise D.
"So what can you do??"
Enterprise D: 0:15 "I can do this!" :D
Original enterprise and refit and A could saucer sep.
@@PantherAusfD1944 Most vessels using a saucer/stardrive configuration had the ability to saucer separate. The Galaxy Class was unique because it could reattach without the need of a starbase, as the original 1701 and 1701-A would require.
That last seperation at virdian three punches differently now with the final episode of picard. Instead of how I original saw it as the crew committing a desperate act of survival, its now more like the ship itself did everything in its power to save the crew, even after they lost total control, by sacreficing itself. the crash is actually a beautifully tragic and sorrowful scene, like when data dies in nemesis.
A saucer a day keeps the Borg at bay
Just noticed they forgot all the connection points on the star drive section that would have been extended at the time of separation in Generations. They are missing.
Retraction may be automatic.
The first seperation, from Encounter at Farpoint is HILARIOUS....Data says it can ONLY BE DONE AT MAXIMUM WARP, AT EXTREME RISK....and it happens easily and flawlessly.
Those clips are not all in order but you did include all the Separations 👍🏻
Doing it during warp never made sense: the saucer doesn't have warp engines, so you would think it'd instantly come out of warp.
It's called momentum
@@colswe but warp drive is non-Newtonian, it has no momentum
BUT it could have been designed with a warp sustainer like the torpedoes.
Spacedock actually covered this. I guess the saucer section has it's own systems to maintain the warp bubble to keep itself going and to drop out of warp. But it cannot achieve warp speed on it's own.
The TNG Tech manual states that the Saucer had warp maintainer systems. It could maintain a warp bubble for a short period of time before it collapsed. Basically enough to safely separate, and then slow down to sub-light speed after the drive section is clear. It cannot go to warp or maintain warp on it's own.
"Alert the crew, hull separation safety drill".
One of those things the Enterprise. D dId from time to time to keep alert.
1:31 The name is painted on the saucer section inside the connection and not visible unless docking.
So is that to make sure you don't get the wrong saucer in a fleet situation?
"Cygnus bridge to Enterprise battle bridge--- What the hell are you guys doing?!?'
Like this XD! ... question: If the saucer does not have the warp engine ... what does it uses?
The two impulse engines on the aft side of the saucer, between where the saucer meets the stardrive. You can see them lit up red in the sep sequence in Generations.
I always did like that shot in Arsenal of Freedom where the two halves of the Enterprise-D fly in formation, only for the Stardrive Section to peel away, and go off on it's own.
In the first separation i cried when the music kicked in.
Epic as hell.
1:45 This just looks funny cut together..... Alright back in one piece.... OH crap the Borg!... Separate again! :D
Such a weird concept to think a saucer separation would mean anything to the Borg who finished plowing through multiple classes/sizes of starships before
they knew that Picard/Locutus knew about the plan and that the only real threat was the drive section and therefore the cube ignored the saucer section , allowing it to get close . it then fired anti matter allowing a shuttle to sneak through the Borg shield to kidnap Locutus .
the only real question is why did the Borg then leave instead of finishing off the Enterprise (or at least the drive section that didn't have Locutus onboard) or why not overwhelm their defenses to get Locutus back .
they just left him there and then Data used him to hack them
@@MajorGrin the drive section is protected "Polarized Lattice-Optimized Tritanium" Armor. Locutus was literally invisible for their sensors.
@@thebigfuzzy Isn't that a trait from the Imposter-Connie on STO?
@@MajorGrin the borg, at the time, simply had no capacity to give a damn. Locutus served his purpose, losing him at that stave was irrelevant.
They went to gobble up earth, because thats what they came to do.
That data would hack them literally never even crossed their mind. An unprecedented procedure only enabled by data and picard cooperating.
@@thebigfuzzy Genius comment! 🤣👍
One of the biggest moments in Sci fi history
How silly is it that somebody would have to command the ship manually to re-attach? "Velocity to one half-meter per second." (Crash) "Dangit I should have done one quarter-meter per second."
to be fair it's only because Picard ordered him to do it manually , to test him or something . I guess becomes sometimes the computer breaks down and they need to know to do everything manually
@@MajorGrin also silly, if the computer breaks down all those touch screen interfaces would just freeze like on an Android Tablet, not recognize any inputs...
press the hard reset button and wait for it to reboot, don't do it manually you insane people! ...and anyway, wouldn't manually mean using the Joystick from Insurrection?
Now there is a picture to think about ;P
@@ZeroB4NG think about it as nowadays plane's autopilot. Planes can land automatically but pilots need to know how to land manually. Moreover, in the possible scenario autopilot fails it wouldn't mean the fly-by-wire system would malfunction.
@@ZeroB4NG every console probably has its own backup computer . but if the main computer breaks down the ship won't be able to perform complex operations automatically
Always wanted more of saucer seperations.
It's shame it didn't happen a bit more during the show's seven years. I love the idea of a ship that can divide into two.
Man Starfox N64 really borrowed heavy for their OST from TNG !
Has any body said anything about the timing coming out at 3:59? One of the pivot points in E-D is wolf 359 of course! ;-)
**That time Data took over the Enterprise**
Picard: Lieutenant LaForge, prepare for saucer separation.
Wesley: Sir, we're at warp 9.3!
Picard: Yes, Ensign. It went fine the first time we did it.
Wesley: Oh. That was the Farpoint mission right? My mom and I weren't on board at the time so I guess that's why-
Picard: Shut up, Wesley!
Dang that was one awesome u-turn
The saucer section goes down towards the planet, then before the crew Data says, ...." Suffering Succotash !!!".😊
•Saucer module enters atmosphere•
💥
(SONIC BOOM)
I always felt like the drive section looked like a giant flying robot uterus.
I wish saucer separation happened that quickly in the series
What, you don't like watching Data, Troi, and Tasha stare blankly at the viewscreen for three minutes with their mouths hanging open?
@@AdmiralKarelia maybe you are right and we should add a painting so we watch it dry.
If you notice from the little tiny explosions on the Stardrive's neck they were able to seperate so quickly in Generations because they blew up the little clamps that hold the ship together (that you see in close up in the series) rather than wait for them to disconnect properly since the ship was gonna explode anyway so they weren't going to reattach.
I like the way of separation...so gentle❤
1:47 damnit we went too slow!
Too bad we only got to see it a handful of times. It should have been used at least once a season just for the epicness of it.
The first separation and the Borg battle ones are so good !
The reason they stopped using it is that after season 3 they got a smaller, more detailed and easier to film shooting model (this was before CGI so Enterprise D was a physical prop) which didn't seperate like the original one did. When they pulled the original model out again for the Borg fight the prop crew almost broke it and swore never to use it again, until they had to for Generations because the newer model was too small to look good on a film screen.
The whole idea of the saucer appearing to accelerate away from the stardrive section despite having no warp is the only thing that bugs me.
The warp bubble can be temporarily extended from the Stardrive section
"Wait if we seperate at warp and the saucer doesn't have warp engines, how is she going to slow down?"
"Details details, make it so."
The cut around 1:50 makes it look like "Oh shame, we bumpt it to hard, it's floating away"
The fact that technology limited how regularly they could do saucer sep added to the impact when they did do it. When the ship separates you know shit has hit the fan.
I wish they would have used it in Descent parts one or two.
Man no wonder Enterprise D is my favorite.
Little known fact
Voyager was originally going to have saucer seperation but the idea was scraped during concept design of the ship but you can still see reminants of the design in way of engineering, propulsion ect seperated from the main living area by a "goose neck"
funny how Q was just thrown in at the last second to pad the episode with a B-plot, and then the actor basically went "screw that, i'm making it the A-plot"
in April of 2000 I did an alternate ending of the saucer landing in it Riker is Captain(played by me we used Voiceovers for the scene since we didnt have props like Hollywood) Riker climbs out of the Saucer and realizes hes the only one alive from the crash blood on his forehead he sees comedy props on the ground he picks them up and begins reading them outloud when the last joke was done Picard(he was on the Stargazer because Starfleet recommissioned it remember its alternate timeline) Picards voice cameover the combadge Captain Riker come in we detected the ship crashed on the planet below standby to be beamed up Riker replies Standing by he puts the props back down and touching his combadge he said One to beam up (since we didnt have props that was the cue for the stagehand to turn off the lights to be our transporter beam up) it was fun making it but it was hard getting the fake blood off after the show
If only they were able to install secondary phaser banks at the "top" of the engineering section.
Maybe then... non-essential crew, families, and civilians could be kept safe during all combat situations but the unexpected ones and the Enterprise would not lose half its phaser banks from a saucer separation.
Gives me an idea though.
What if a Galaxy Class Starship had a saucer separation... but then the two halves of the ship were ironically and indefinitely lost to one another and unable to return to Starfleet, forcing both vessels to made due... the crew of the saucer section having to build their own warp engines and both crews having to construct new weapons.
If not that, it could become a sort of experiment for Starfleet's starship designers.
There were phaser banks there.
Looks like it's flying slightly angled to warp stream at the start
Old theme but sometimes we must move on vox theme oh my gosh amazing
*Star Trek Generations (1995)* Enterprise D saucer section crash made with physical models is literally a century ahead of the *Star Trek Beyond (2016)* Enterprise NCC-1701 saucer section crash in terms of visuals.
@@andrewbullock4665 typo
This was always so cool to see.
Everyone loves when the Enterprise splits and hails the crew as geniuses when they used both sections to save Picard but when the Prometheus does it, there's nothing but criticism
Imagine 3 parts to separate.. or at least one part being a decoy/ shield, disk rotates sideways to block incoming, other side or escape pods canescape
They made the saucer section a life boat without even warp 1 to slowly get home.
Civies on board are actually expendable.
Let that sink in for a minute
The saucer section was meant to be collected by another ship if the stardrive was destroyed
Imagine getting your saucers mixed up and attaching to the wrong one.
Fun fact - the explosion of the Enterprise-D's stardrive is a re-use of the explosion of the Grissom in Star Trek III.
I'm glad the show didn't overuse the separation feature too much like how knight rider used there stupid pursuit mode...
I do think that It's Demise with separating One Last Time was Appropriate and Not just Blowing up with shuttles leaving or something Worse !
Just not Being Overrun by a Measly BoP facePalm
The Enteprise D and the Prometheus...such cool starships.
Had to chick this just to post that this video is I significant in every sense of the word and the author is too
Good memories yes but would've been so much better if they finished showing the crash on Viridian 3.
Was that first separation at warp? I can understand the saucer remaining at warp whilst close to the rest of the ship as it would still be within the warp field, however, once far enough apart it would no longer be within the field. The saucer section doesn't have a warp drive and no longer being in the warp field means they couldn't maintain warp even if they had remaining enertia. Did they mention anything about this in the episode? It feels like the writers might not have thought this through, but given its the first episode, I guess the future episodes were the ones that didn't look back.
The saucer section has warp sustainer coils built into the impulse drive i.e. it's close to the fusion-powered warp drive. The saucer section's fusion-based impulse drives are active during saucer separation. Also refer to photon torpedoes also has warp sustainer engine.
The Ross class's saucer section with ring warp coils and an anti-matter-based warp core.
Enterprise with no brim
lmao @1:44 *when the manual docking doesn't go according to plan*
At 3:39, you can see the docking latches releasing too soon and disintegrating. Like they would be needed anymore anyway, though!
That was the point. They had an additional seperation mode where the latches just blow off to get the Saucer off faster in situations like this where the Drive section is about to be destroyed anyway. That was actually supposed to be a close up shot of them getting destroyed but the "Battle head" filming model ie: the one shown at 0:09 which is just a giant version of the "neck" of the ship with the latches that retract out of it was in too bad a shape by the time Generations rolled around, since they only had used it the one time and it sat unused for 7 years.
When I was a kid, I used to think they were people being sucked out.
And recombine...so smooth❤
my only hope for the finale of picard is we see a saucer separation during the final engagement with the borg.
0:19
that must be the
HI DEF version
the version I have on
DVD
looks like a faded cartoon
in comparison
This is the equivalent of Picollo taking of his heavy vest
A manual docking, confidently achieved.
There should be more saucer separation in trek. I'm so glad Vic dis it with the original Enterprise in ST Continues
100%!
Dont forget the constitution class ship can do it. Kirk suggests it to Scotty in The Apple. Yeah would have been awesome to see.
Lawrence Manning
We do see separation in jj verse ST Beyond.
I have an idea to re-write Generations, though I’m sure someone has already thought of this and I don’t know. The star drive still explodes, but Data and Troi achieve standard orbit around the planet. Starfleet still has to come rescue them and because of damage the saucer took it’s decommissioned and put in a museum. The crew is then assigned to a Sovereign class ship named the E-E so that the flagship remains a top of the line ship (by happy coincidence). During a future feature film, the E-E could fly by the E-D saucer to please some fans.
I think fans would be happier with this outcome and the executives still get their new ship.
So... About that.. lol
What is the point of rewriting it? It's not like you can improve upon the original, and it wouldn't be canon in ST continuity, so it's not something the fans would ever accept.
I just want to know what happened with the deflector dish between 1:16 and 1:17.
RogHawk It slipped. 😀
it was re-aligned
Nitpicking Nerd Ha 😆
Awe.... you didn't include Data's little slip of tongue.... 🤣
Oh darn it.
Oh 💩
My favourite is the movie separation.
I'll never forgive the poor writing of Generations.
The series had it's moments, like any series I guess. One of my favorite and a well written episode was "Darmok" TNG
The poor writings of generations . Spock and McCoy lines given to Scotty and Chekov. Also , letting. Troi take the wheel of the ship.
"It must have been that last torpedo"
Leave your mom's basement already.
@@thelmctodaythelmctoday4037 Say's the guy trolling people on the internet...
It's always the same shot that ILM recorded at the beginning of the first season as stock footage. It is also a shame that there was no seperation in the later seasons. The whole concept wasnt well thought out. You can see that e.g. At Voyager much better, where it is that it can seperate in three parts and then attack with all three parts at the same time, that makes more sense, i.e. the separation with the Enterprise D. It is also a shame that the bridge was no longer used in the later seasons. This is mainly due to the fact that the battle bridge was later always redesigned and became the Alien Ship of the Week or the Alien Bridge of the week.
you remember in which room Captain Picard landed as Borg on the Enterprise? This is the same room where Data created his daughter. And that was the battle bridge. It was simply redesigned and it was done so well that no one did even realize that it was the battle Bridge, but that it looked as if it was a completely new room.
Tbh the Enterprise is an older vessel. Voyager is meant to be an improvement.
TNG redressed a lot of sets.
Voyager never had separation. You're thinking of the Prometheus, which was shown in an episode of Voyager.
It was planned to be a regular thing but the powers that be felt it slowed stories down to a crawl, If I were in the writers room I'd have episodes where the Saucer had separated before the episode even started, the idea being that The Enterprise was required to do so to either cover more ground during an exploration mission or have the civilians and Non-Essential Personnel sent to a starbase aboard the Saucer when the Enterprise has been ordered into a potentially dangerous situation.
@@DelcoRanz93 The main reason is that there were 3 filming models of the 1701-D, a two foot model (Used in Seasons 1 and 2), a 4 foot model (Used for the remainder of the series) and a 6 foot model and only the 6 foot model had the detachable saucer and was by all accounts, a royal pain to use and very costly to operate, which is why saucer separation did not happen every other week. Now in the days of CGI everything, you'd probably get that.
How can this ship's lone stardrive section be so ugly yet look so cool at the same time? lol
All stations prepare for reconnection
all stations, prepare for a happy birthday
How is the saucer section able to sustain a warp filed without coils?
Lol. Set velocity to 1/2 meter per second... Still closes a 1km gap and docks is a few seconds :p.
The lines of windows on the neck look like a hotel.
If I remember right the connies were also designed that they could separate the saucer section exactly one time.
They could reattach the sections but it had to be done at a Starbase by an engineering crew and it required replacing the locks
Picard told riker to manually Dock with the saucer. Then riker gets o brien to do it.
2:22 Seperation again!!
Macht ganz schön viel Krach dafür, dass man im Weltraum niemanden schreien hört.
The star drive section looks weird without the saucer. This is cool but the Prometheus looks cooler when in muti vector assault mode.