[TF2] Punishing Pyros: The American Way
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2021
- After getting destroyed by them for so long, it's time that Soldiers fight back against Pyros. This is the survival guide on how Soldiers fight back Pyros in TF2.
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Songs:
(Intro/Outro music): Rocket Man [ Bitpop Chiptune] - Tribute to Elton John by Gavin Graham
Dreams Of Cruelty - Team Fortress 2
Nuvema Town Remastered - Pokémon Black & White Music
Megalovania - Undertale
GreenPath - Hollow Knight
Doomsday Zone (Remix) - SMBZ
Ricco Harbor - Super Mario Sunshine
Unity - TheFatRat
• TheFatRat - Unity
Pokémon League (night) - Pokémon - Ігри
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![[SFM] The Pybro](/img/n.gif)
Man this turn out so good, I'm seriously giddy :D
i like it also i sub ya
Btw I really like your point with the liberty launcher. It gives the item a good use
@@himynamewaz7507 true
Behold, the fempyro /j
"I'm totally gonna touch something."
:Pyro_Thonking:
Clearly the best way to counter Pyro as Soldier is by pressing the "," button and changing to Heavy. Not sure how you didn't think of this. Come on, Fran!
I've been schooled :O
I prefer just pressing the killbind button.
Yes, like you aren’t just free food for my Scorch Shit…
Pyro: How can you make More damage than me?!, I have the plhog!
Heavy: *Haha, minigun goes brrr*
pyro's cant kill heavies that easy but a good pyro can
To counter Pyro, you must do the secret Soldier trick, formally known to all but forgotten to time as the Pyro himself burned it out of memory during jungle inferno:
Zap him with the Righteous Bison.
yes GENIUS
that actually worked one time during a 2fort match lmao
Also, in terms of comboing the Rocket Launcher with the Shotgun, it's probably better to use the Reserve Shooter against them as if you manage to pop them in the air, you can just easily kill them in 1-2 mini-crit shots and this can go for any class beside Pyro which is very satisifying to pull off
yeah, honestly you've made a real solid poi- *looks at the name* WAIT A MINUTE WHAT!!????
The legend
The man
The personality
The man the stick the master
Lovely work but it won't stop me from reflecting every projectile in this game
Touché ;)
But can you reflect the Sniper?
@@genso6052 ive reflected Jarate :D
@@KoyoteMoone Ahhh, Piss.
but can u reflect a wrangled sentry btw i sub u and followed u on twitch asking wat hud do u use?? and even though pyro's have airblast they could save people's live's on fire shotgun i always like to use it against pyro's but i kinda suck at engineer
When it comes to using melee weapons to fight pyros, here is a handy list of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of em, and you take your pick on which one you might prefer:
Good:
- The Equalizer: With the amount of damage you will take during the encounter, plus the afterburn slowly bringing down your health, if you are fighting a pyro, all it will take is 1-2 swings to take him down in most engagements.
- The Market Gardener: The best option for fighting pyro if you have to use a melee, given its an instant kill, and is probably one of the best ways to deal with a Jetpacking Pyro (they get countered easily, but if you don't wanna use the direct hit then this is the next best delete key)
- The Pain Train: Pyro doesn't primarily use Bullets for damage, so the downside is basically negligible, and being able to cap points faster means you can quickly cap a point and then skedaddle faster than Fran to his movie collection after this video.
The Bad:
- The Escape Plan: Never. Just... just never. Pyro's already melt you with a flame thrower, and thinking that the speed boost will be worth it is practically nothing compared to the minicrit damage you will take from his flamethrower and afterburn. If you have to use it, only use it when you know there is a healthpack nearby, since its the only way you would survive an engagement like this
- Disciplinary Action: Doesn't do much without your teammates, and the damage decrease will make your FAIR AND BALANCE crits not nearly as worth it, since it wont even one-shot the pyro.
The Ugly:
- Stock: Just... don't. Stock for Solly's melee is just bad, and it won't do you any good in an engagement with a Pyro outside of medieval mode.
- The Half Zatoichi: Slower Demoknight? Without any of the resistances? Sounds like a Pyro's wet dream.
I feel like Pryo never has *Wet Dreams,* only.. *Heat* Dreams..
If you are using a melee to fight pyro, the Disciplinary Action makes for a great weapon, because of its absurd range.
Pyro main here, the best thing to remember is to not rely on one of these too much. I have seen too many good soldiers who think the only thing they have to do is space out when they shoot. It works, at best, one time on a good pyro. It's always good to branch out.
Edit: I know it seems weird I am giving tips, but I just want to have more of a challenge, just don't get too good :)
As Lazy Purple once said "I HAVE A SHOTGUN" dam I miss trolling salty pyros with shotgun
Very true, A soldier might kill me with the spacing out of their rockets, but never the second time.
As a Pyro main, usually I never have that problem because I'm a Dragon's Fury main that is allergic to the M2 button. Either I kill him first or he kills me
Yeah, if the pyro's any good they will notice what you're doing.
Key here is to diversify what you do in whatever ways you want really, anything to throw a pyro off is good enough.
As a Pyro main
I wanted to thank you for this video
*Now I know your strategies*
0_0
My thoughts exactly
@@rexvermis our happy inferno lives on :D
Try airblasting a bullet flying miles away from a tryhard sniper with insane aim and never misses a headshot, and is the most hated person in the server.
Yeah, didn't think so.
I don't like sniper mains if you can tell
@@timmythepinky9137 Yeah those are hard to deal with, my best plays against them as Pyro is to either flare spam or use the Thermal Thruster to flank. Usually the latter because I love that jetpack
They called me a madman for buying a strange Liberty Launcher. Well, WHOS LAUGHING NOW??!?!?!?!
2:20
That one particular spy scream always makes me laugh. It's almost always used perfectly in videos.
"Aww you're so sweet"
"Shut up Pyro Main"
RocketManFran's body was found with mutliple 3rd degree burns next day
What i love to do when fighting pyros is trick them into hunting me where i shoot rockets by corner picking and aiming at his feet. It is very useful at least against selfish pyros who want to hunt you. Ofc you need to master corner rocket shooting which can be tricky if you use the original since you expose yourself more compared to default rl.
For me I just be really weird with firing, and usually it throws the pros ofg
I find it way easier to do with the Original
It works unless your in an open space.
A good strat is to aim at the ground next to the pyro (not at his feet). IT makes it much harder for them to airblast your rockets
You showed those pyro's a thing or two! Now I wonder if someone will make a video countering soldier kek
Uncle Dane: How to Counter Soldiers
SpikeyMikey(?): How I deal with Soldiers!
Toofty: Dealing with Scouts
click m2
Fantastic video! SFM is nice to see incorporated into videos like this not to mention the whole script itself is great! Keep up the good work my dude!
That SFM BLU Soldier you had for the vid is the cutest damn thing ever. I'm so busy fawning over him I can hardly spare the heart to mind you teaching people ways to counter me!
Airblast is hated for the same reason the natasha or old sandman are: taking away an ability. Airblast is able to not only take away your ability to deal damage but also to move or simply run away.
Negating abilitys just make you feel helpless, wich is the last thing you want to feel like. Especially if it happens when you dont expect it and it brings you down from a high moment (like shooting a rocket and thinking youve already won)
I’m sorry that projectile spam from across the map has a counter.
Hey it has its place in tf2, same as rocket jumping. While yes it can feel frustrating, counters need to exist. As for the movement impairing, the Pyro has to be close to you to use that thing to begin with, so stay out of his range.
Airblast can still be played around because airblast has an interval. If you shoot during the interval, you can still shoot them. If you are shooting from long range... why are you shooting form long range? Those are really easy reflects and even if the Pyro doesn't reflect the damage falloff is gonna cut you.
12:05
Wholly impressive frag montage with Unity. Something very nostalgic
"You wouldn't know what its like to work with idiots", "you wouldn't know the half of it". Every Mutiplayer PVP game ever.
What a nice video, Well done!
With the Reserve Shooter's extra switch speed, it can be very good for countering pyros who're scaring ya with airblast.
Also, great work on the vieo.
The Panic Attack has insane switch speed and unmatched burst damage at point blank range, but I suppose if you're that close to a pyro you're kind of dead anyway.
Finally someone understood as soldier class that shooting your counter with brains is a bad idea...
12:03 As a trolldier main I can say that this is exactly what would happen if you have mantreads(and being good)
As a pyro main, I don’t think we are all rivals, we’re all friends! Every time I’m being so nice to soldiers, they always drop their pieces, I’m so happy to send them back!
The best way is just to use the rocket jumper, then when the pyros reflect the rocket, it deals zero damage to you. Foolproof!
Another absolute masterpiece by the RocketManFran himself.
Well done!
4:56 this is so wholesome, this is how it feels to help new players in the game
To any pyro mains here, remember that when airblasting. It should come down to prediction and reacting. And to utilize your secondary when dealing to a gunboats soldiers, while they reload their next rocket
This has to be the funniest video I’ve seen in a while, great work, Fran :)
Phyro: "Will not duel mele"
Bottle Knight: aye, me bottle o' CRIT'S
Every class is a great counter to pyro except for demoman since soldier has a shotgun to fend for himself whilst demo doesn’t have a shotgun
The Mario gag was a pain to watch.
The punchline was streched so long and turned it from medicore to agonizing.
Ok
I still remember when you had less than 1000 subs and now look at you. I am very impressed by your progress and wish that you very far.
7:48 if you use the same trick but for pyro so as soon as you see them pull out their rocket launcher you can pull up your flamethrower for a reflect
11:45 that song gave me a nostalgia attack AND I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THAT WAS A THING!
As a pyro main in denial, thank you for informing me in all your secrets. Much appreciated
I have a personal observation - If you charge a Pyro in a 1v1, jump. Not rocket jump, just jump. I've noticed that A LOT of Pyros airblast while you are in the apex of your jump, as if expecting you to fire your rocket from the biggest height advantage you can. Then you can fire you rocket. This works surprisingly often, I have killed Pyro players much better than me with it. Also, it is worth considering shooting behind a Pyro. It deals less damage, because msot Pyros simply run at you so splash damage fall-off is at play, but is rarely expected and often requires Pyro to flick his mouse to reflect - but that causes the rocket to be refelcted into outer space instead of straight at you.
Pyros when soldiers pull out their shotgun: *you weren’t supposed to do that*
This video was really good. I learned a few things from this. Next time. Remember to install security cameras before the backdoor gets opened. Thanks that stormtrooper that knows tf2
in the moment she started talking about hammer units and rocket speed my brain melted
Decent video. But you need to work on your pacing. Id recommend getting inspired by FishOnAStick and Lazy Purple, they seem like prime examples. Well, their serious videos, that is, like bad weapon academy and HIFTP. Other than that, I did enjoy this vid, and learned more about countering a soldier trying to counter me.
Yeah, I main pyro, and i can tell you, if you react to the projectile correctly, the libertylauncher can be just as easy to reflect as stock. Just use a shotgun. :)
I’ve found corners to be pretty useful. If you’re near a corner and you’ve shown the pyro that you are willing to shoot rockets at them, quickly go around the corner them jump back and shoot a rocket, they may not be expecting it and accidentally take damage. Then if you time it right you can shoot another rocket just before the go around the corner to deal more damage and at that point you can just pull out your shotgun and one shot the pyro(or hope that the pyro doesn’t airblast your rocket again)
As a Pyro main, one trick a Soldier can pull that usually gets me (at least in close quarters) is faking a reload; IE, firing one rocket, pressing the reload key to start the animation and then fire before you properly load. Farther away we can react to the rocket as it comes, but close up we often rely on mind games, prediction/intuition and animations to keep timing since we're basically forced to air-blast a parallel dimension ahead of our opponent.
Said close-range can be achieved via quickly jumping and/or bombing with the Manntreads, flanking to catch us off-guard or just walking up during air-blast downtime (weather that be the firing speed itself or when we switch to a non-primary weapon).
Those sfm clips were pretty good
One little tip I've noticed for baiting airblasts is just, jumping.
So many times I'll see a pyro and then I'll just press the spacebar and they'll airblast like 85% of the time lol
Good work as always FrannyRocketMan
Things ive found out from extended use of the dragons fury to take back to stock is that:
Don’t put yourself in a situation where prediction airblasting is the only option you have. As flashy as it is, its the equivalent of a trickstab. You can use techniques to boost its effectiveness, but its still better to not have to rely on it as a go too.
I used to main heavy and I sometimes forgot pyros existed and wondered why everyone complained about him but after becoming more of a solider player I finally started to get it
When I say I instantly knew he was going to say “oh, hello!” at 5:18
Pyro has officially been revealed as Mario
Awesome! Had no idea you and Koyote were siblings! Been watching her streams for almost a year now
My personal strats are weird but work a surprising amount of times in pubs.
One is to literally just sit there and reload. Many pyros will focus so hard on reflecting that they forget to go on the offensive and just sit there, letting you load back up; some just airblasting randomly and freeing themselves up for a rocket.
Another thing I focus on shooting “whiff” rockets that are intentionally poorly placed. Some pyros will focus on the rocket leaving the launcher and not the rocket’s trajectory, so intentionally firing a rocket way off course can get them to airblast early and leave them open. And even if they do manage a reflect on it, the weird angle can make it hard to do anything effectively with that rocket.
Here's a tip, respect the Dragon's Fury. Its definitely the hardest weapon in pyro's toolkit to use so most using it will be easy kills. But when used correctly, it has a higher dps then a heavy's mini gun and has a longer range then the stock flamethrower. And unlike the phlog, it still has airblast.
That said, it has a 2 second cooldown between airblasts, so tricking them to waste it is even more effective. Just remember to avoid their shots or they will melt you.
One time a pyro made me so angry I legit broke my screen, anyways great video, I needed this.
i used to be a pyro main and now i am a soldier main and i must say both classes need the same amount of skill for beeing good
11:46 i never thought i would hear this song in other youtube videos again in 2022
Pyro: *gets ready to reflect my rocket*
Me: *people think they can outsmart me.. Maybe. Maybe. But i have yet to find person who can outsmart bullet.*
(pulls out shotgun)
As a pyro, thanks for making this video. I have calculated 15 new ways to get around it.
at the end of the video, i realised it was uploaded yesterday
Took a while to comprehend that this vid was sfm animation through its entire length. Nice
The war between Pyro and Soldier really can boil down to a mind game. Playing soldier as a pyro main gives you a great insight on how to counter them as soldier, and how you can counter them as pyro. I've fought soldiers who wiped the floor with me, they know how the mind game is.
Usually when i fight pyros if they're waiting for me to shoot a rocket, i simply dont and say "good work :P", we either jsut go away or decide our fates with a RPS match.
I will be honest though. i love sending rockets back to cocky soldiers who think they're the hottest sh*t, specially with the dragon's fury (it's possible, it demands more of your prediction skills tho)
Pyros whenever I do the cheeky "ill wait till you airblast to shoot" strat:
(Their only method of defense against me is now useless)
Funny how Megalovania starts right when he talks about how pyros aren't just gonna take it.
I love the shotgun, I have alot of moments where I fight a Pyro as Soldier and they don't expect me to pack a shotgun, it's funny to see them prepare to airblast and get the dopamine you get when you reflect a projectile, but be met with a shotgun blast.
I want to hug the shit out of the little ol stock soldier he looks so oblivious and sweet
The tip with the faking a rocket is good but I usually do is flick a rocket shot to bait them or shoot one to their left to push them into the corner then pull out a shotgun usually a PA.
As a pyro main i am glad for this video hopefully i can have more challenges on timing reflect
TheFatRat Unity section was a superb blast from the past
Now I see why I was Subscribed! ❤️❤️❤️
w+m1 : Make some space between pyro and shoot (only guy you can shoot at any range)
low level pyro : Know when they airblast and shoot after that (they'll probably repeatedly airblast). Still don't shoot from far away
mid level pyro : They'll probably not combo or attack until u stop moving or showing overall aggressive movements (to wait for airblast) . So bait them to wait for your shot and then shoot when he impatiently airblasts. Like menacingly approach them without shooting and scare them to airblast .This will probably work cuz at some point they can't reflect your rocket reliably since the distance is too close. It is really useful when pyro and you are in awkward situation where nobody fires at each other. But be careful when you approach cuz they can choose to burn you too. And another way to bait is secondary switch which is easier to use (just like in the video)
high level pyro : They'll change their tactics according to your distance and other conditions. Like REALLY fast. So scaring them for airblast won't work well unlike mid level guy. I'm saying this because now pyro can bait you to shoot first by burning you and then airblast. Scaring tactic but in reverse. Secondary swap is still reliable because they don't know when you'll switch your weapons. And please don't jump dive and shoot to "these" pyros cuz they know you'll shoot right before you reach the ground(it's not unexpected anymore). So dealing with these guys are more about game sense + fighting skill and not about fighting skill only.
all these sfm skits are a definition of mom vs dad scenarios
lmao i like how the gravestone at 10:43 with 1202 - 2021 is that 1202 is just 2021 backwards. clever :)
I can count on two hands how many times I've had a pyro reflect my Liberty Launcher rockets in many many years
I waited 4- no 5,000 years for this!
Animation level is incredible!
That pyro that broke in did a little trolling
In Lazypurple's video, pyros can 1v1 heavies (POSSIBLY EVEN WITH A MEDIC) with The Panic Attack and Flamethrower, so you could still end up dead but just bring your heavy and medic and possibly your other soldier down with you
BUT
If there is too many heavies or soldiers, then they will try to get to THEIR team and call for help but if there are like 2 or 3, they will just team up and just spam schadenfreude at you and your team
NON
STOP
Huh, wasn't expecting to see myself pop up for a small section lol
This was a great video like usual though!
Glad you enjoyed! ;D
great video fran
Didn't expect to hear Unity in this video
I almost exclusively play Soldier using some kind of banner - usually Battalion's. A strategy I usually employ against any pyro I know can airblast is to waste a rocket and bait their airblast - usually either by firing a rocket in their direction (but not near them) or I'll whip my aim straight up and fire a rocket straight into the air to confuse them, then attack while their airblast is on cooldown or sanity is recovering. I'll also sometimes just completely stop moving. Psychological warfare works wonders, folks. Confound your enemy to give yourself the advantage.
The moment where she scolded fran for being mean to the normal Soldier gives me mom and dad vibes
How to counter pyro:
1) Press S
2) Shoot him with your shotgun
"But I don't have a shotgun equipped!" Seethe then
Heavy shoot gun, heavy fears no BABY CLASS.
The Legend is back, On an Epic Scale!
"You don't know what it's like playing with idiots" As a Pyro main, I can confirm that we do in fact know what it's like. ever heard of airblast? because half of the new pyro players haven't.
You are sleeping on the Dragon's Fury. That thing's DPS is monstrous.
nice work on this one. hope it didn't take too long on the sfm front.
That fucking limp sync is on point.
Nice edit man
Personally im a big fan of corner peeking at random intervals, even if my rocket launcher is empty, ill peek around the corner while reloading and stare at a pyro, peek once (without firing) make him trigger airblast and upon the audio que, rush him with a shove- i mean rocket him. (of course after the first peekaboo, you wanna just immediately shoot him when he respawns so you remain unpredictable.)
As a pyro main, my best advice for soldiers out there is: if the enemy pyro showed they know how to air blast, please for the love of god STOP FEEDING THE PYRO MAIN ROCKETS! Just use your shotgun. If you don't want to use a shotgun, at least use whatever you have left of a brain and use strange patterns for your rockets, abuse the splash damage in corners. And DO NOT try to melee fight the class that literally excels at close and personal combat. we will use our flamethrower on you and we will combo you with the axtinguisher. Thank you for the good video about the topic, it was about time someone made something about it.
The Legend is back
If Gabe had wanted you to live, He would not have created me!
--rocketmanfran
It's like how you play spy, u don't disguise and wander around waiting to get attacked (it's not effective), u stay cloacked and get close enough on their/his back and backstab them or when they're distracted. I use Psychological tricks to 'outrun' them (drain the flamethrower ammo), i frequently use a black-box concheror loadout most of the time while playing soldier, everytime i had duel with pyro (from considerably noob to decent player one), i'll be airblast clickbait them by posturing i'll be shooting at them by jumping, faking the shot... and when the airblast is wasted shortly u shot at them quick, but i usually don't do that when the enemy pyro comes with remarkable skills. And in my experience, shotgun was the best tool all along to deal with pyros ngl.
Yes, appreciate pyros for what they do.
Unless they use the Scorch Shot.
If that’s the case, then feel free to,
*BANISH THEM TO THE SHADOW REALM*
But why
is this why I have seen so many shotgun idiots running around trying to kill me and failing miserably but still being way more annoying than they need to be.
2:12 its not a mod its a licensed dlc
Love the content, keep it up
2:19
Classes that counter every class...?
Spy doesn't do that, at all.
It's sniper, scout (He can still kill the engineer and chip down the sentry), sniper, soldier (I mean, he has a shotgun and otherwise just wrecks everything), sniper, pyro (For obvious reasons. I mean if you don't use bullets, he's practically unstoppab- Aaand there goes the pyro. He's really not that scary, even with airblast.), and sniper.
Maybe also Sniper. Kinda just wrecks everything at any range, and a good one that knows how to wreck anything at any range will delete you
2:30
As a pyro main who's probably contributed to several soldier killstreaks on the enemy team...
No. I don't. Direct Hit, faking me out, shotgun, melee, and the fact that you can literally aim away from my face and still hit me with splash damage kind of just invalidates a rivalry. It's mostly even when I go up against a competent soldier.
a bit late to the party on this, but something you can do to trick pyros is to flick your mouse up slightly, when you fire a rocket the soldier plays an animation where the launcher flies up slightly do to recoil, you can kind of mimic this when you flick your mouse up slightly, it's not fool proof, but it has worked several times for me in the past.