Thank you so much for listening and sharing ❤ so happy I got to meet you and so excited to hopefully meet in person and hear more about your story as well 💜💜💜
"He was holding the baby and he knew he would be marrying her one day." The weird shit in Twilight makes a LOT more sense when you know that Stephenie Meyer is Mormon.
I don't understand how these men don't get thrown into jail for actually neglecting these women. If a woman dies because you refuse to take her to the hospital that is your fault
It's because women are raised to be quiet. I also think the law in Utah and other states where there's a heavy influx of mormons, plus the powers that be because they're voted in and they in turn hire the police who would be the first to be a part of the complaints and turn their heads. Only way to deal at this point is to get out.
How can I say this politely... having unlimited power over as many women as you want, sl33ping with as many women and even children as you want and not having to deal with this exhausting daily stuff like their bills, their children, their jelousy, their complaints, their demands, because you taught them to be quiet and "sweet", because this God you made up allegedly sees these women's rightfull demands as sins - that's many weak men's and many pedophiles' w3t dream come true.
Such lazy lions. Hearing about these systems always makes me think of lions. The lionesses take care of the cubs and hunts and does everything. All the lions do is hump, sleep, and fight other males. It really is crazy how men have ever been able to convince women that we are the inferior. We are literally the gateway into this world through our bodies, we "mature" quicker.... aka smarter lol. We are able to keep 1000 balls in the air while the man focuses on one thing at a time. I don't mean to bash men because there are some wonderful men out there. I just mean historically and I guess religiously, it's mind blowing how things have gone. We make a house a home. We make the heart warm. We keep the belly full. We bring the babies into the world. We go out there and work too. We bring home the bacon, cook it, clean up afterwards, "clean out the pipe" for our men. We are amazing creatures.
@@codirennke1109 I’ve always felt this way.. I don’t believe in a “god” it if I did it seems really obvious to me that if a god had a gender, it would be female.
@@codirennke1109 the lion thing is… innacurate but that’s not what bothers me. Men should not have dominion over women or other men for that matter. While saying you don’t mean to bash men, that’s what you do. A lot of men literally work themselves to death, especially blue collar, working class men. A lot of us have broken bodies from laboring to provide a decent life for our families. This topic is about a demographic and an oppressive religious culture and I include traditional Christian community. There are a lot of men with these depraved values and a lot of women who are complicit in perpetuating an amoral society. All these people need to be freed from these horrible beliefs; these women need to be supported and to know there is a better way.
I have so much respect for both of you sharing your stories. I was in a narcissistic marriage for 18 years and my ex brought me into a church that was very cult like. Letting God decide the size of your family, submit to your husband no matter what…so much more. I’ve been out for 18 years now and still struggle with PTSD. My ex attacked me when I left. I’m one of the lucky ones. I survived and was able to get my six children away from him‼️ We are all doing well but carry many scars. Y’all make me feel like I’m not alone ❤
I’m so sorry you went through that. You are definitely not alone! Tomorrow we are releasing a video that is the reverse of this. She was raised in the IBLP cult and ended up in an abusive marriage because of it. But she’s thriving now! Hope you are too ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness I will definitely be watching that Shalise❣️Thanks so much for your empathy and compassion❤️I know you are helping me and others to heal!!!
I was in an abusive relationship when I was young, and it took about a month from when I broke up with my abuser for me to have the lightbulb click on in my brain, where I told a good friend, who was awesomely supportive and helpful through that process, "Wait, was this abuse?" That friend, who had volunteered at a domestic violence shelter in the past said, "I wanted you to get their on your own, because I didn't think that you were ready for someone to tell you that yet." I am actually grateful that he let me get there on my own, because, if he had told me, I would have defended my abuser, and I might have gone back. After that moment, I did all of the research, and was checking off almost everything on the "Am I in an abusive relationship?" checklists. Now, I am in a much healthier space.
@@CultstoConsciousness It was a long road, but I had a lot of support from the people I am close to. Now I work in residential treatment for teens and young adults.
@@actingqweenI was in an abusive marriage as well. His abusive behavior was so gradual in the way it developed that I didn't even realize it was abusive until it got really bad. I was so happy with my first child that my focus was on that. There were definitely things that I didn't like, but I would just defer to him because he was a little older, had more life experience, etc. And he did teach me a lot of good things about budgeting, etc. But then it became just so much worse. He wanted total control of my life. About two months before my due date, he punched me in the chest as hard as he could. I'd just fallen asleep facing him. When I caught my breath, I asked him why he would do that. He said he had fallen asleep, and was dreaming he was fighting someone. I was just thinking, "What!?" After a couple of minutes, I realized that the same episode of "Seinfeld" was on that we'd been watching when I fell asleep. There's no way he would have fallen asleep and been dreaming in a few minutes.I should have run away right then. I'm not sure why I didn't. Anyway, it was a week or so after when I remembered that two of our coworkers were talking about how you could kill someone if you hit them in the chest really hard. They were arguing about it. One didn't believe it was possible, but the other said he'd seen some case about it or something. I was only half listening at the time, and that's why it didn't ring a bell immediately after my ex hit me. Anyway, long story, sorry. I eventually got away, but it took years, and I still have scars. But I did get a happy ending.
It was similar for me. My mother was incredibly abusive and neglectful when I was a kid, but because it wasn’t severe physical abuse I didn’t realize it counted as abuse at all until I was about 20. And my first serious relationship was a very abusive one, but I didn’t realize that was abuse either. I knew it made me feel awful about myself and that he hurt me, but it wasn’t until I’d been broken up with him for a year that I realized it was abuse. So friends and I were all talking about shitty exes and my friend said something about her “abusive ex husband”, but the things he did to her were the same things my ex had done to me. I pulled her aside later and asked her about it and said “that’s abuse? I thought it was just normal crappy ex-boyfriend shit.” She gave me a hug and said “yeah, that’s abuse. I’m sorry you’re in this club too.” This was less than a year after I came to terms with the fact that my mother was abusive, so it felt like a lot. I managed to get some help and I did a lot of reading on narcissistic parents and how children of narcissistic parents often find themselves in abusive relationships. After that I found my now-husband who is amazing and we’ve been together almost 20 years (I’m old, lol).
@@Annie_Annie__ It's so hard to see "invisible" abuse. Also, it's hard because it's so unknown. People think that it's not so bad, but I remember when I had to think back to before it started and ask myself who I really was. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience it from the start, and not have a "prior self" to relate to. I'm glad that you're doing well!!
The Habsburg royal family in Spain literally inbred themselves out of existence. The last Habsburg king was the result of three generations of uncle-niece marriages. He was so deformed and sick he couldn’t father children. His sister, (also married her uncle), her child and grandchild all died young. Mother Nature takes care of inbreeding sooner or later.
Men claiming babies or children is just their way to insure that other men don't claim them when they get older. It could also be related to pedophilia also.
Raised mainstream Mormon, got soft shamed/guilted by my ex mother in law for holding off having kids after only having been married for a year. Ended up being able to wait 6yrs before getting pregnant. Had 6 pregnancies and 5 kids in 10yrs... My 5th and last baby, I was 14wks pregnant when I left my narcissistic, neglectful, self-righteous, passive aggressive, codependent, ehebophilic, sadistic ex ...that was 2020. I'm still waiting for my divorce to get finalized through either a settlement conference or trial
I left my terrible marriage a year ago after 33 years of marriage and getting my own money through Social Security disability I left. I always said once I get my own money I’m leaving and I’m very proud that I did that.
@@timfoolI'm a young person with no crazy experiences but it took me 5 second to think of few possible reasons: financial violence, insecurity, lack of education, children/pregnancy/desire to preserve a family unit, financial violence, loneliness/isolation/lack of family members to help during separation, psychological violence, fear of being murdered/fear of bitter spouse killing or hurting other family members in retaliation/upbringing. Some victims continuously suffer because they don't know any different. Can you blame them for not leaving if they didn't even know this was an option or didn't want to risk the safety of their family? At least we know you were raised with minimum autonomy if you can't even imagine such circumstances, but you're lacking compassion/imagination.
I am just blown away by how accurate and amazing Amanda is with explaining all of this cult mentality. Most of this doctrine and crazy chaotic thinking is in all of the polygamist cults and families. I’m Extremely grateful that so many young people are leaving and speaking out about the horrors of polygamy. Love you Amanda! Absolutely amazing interview!
How is our government not doing anything about this? This is criminal. I seriously don't understand. My heart goes out to every woman who is being treated like cattle. This is not freedom.
They cannot do anything without cooperating witnesses with first hand knowledge of crimes. People like Amanda are technically just not firsthand witnesses.
I am glad that she is speaking out on this so that viewers can see how dangerous these groups are 😢 These are not just conservative churches that dress modestly, children are being abused and incest is rampant
Yes!! I never know what to say to people who shrug and go, "idk, they're weird, but they seem happy and healthy." Like, "Oh okay. Well, as long as they *seem* fine."
As usual, men making their own rules. I am 65 & have come to the conclusion that the majority of men are narcissists, don’t have a woman’s best interest in mind & simple minded. Using God’s word to manipulate is the worst. My husband committed suicide when I was 29, leaving me with 2 small sons. I know it sounds harsh, but it was a blessing. I have dated 3 men & decided that I am so much happier by myself. I don’t want/need another man child to be a slave to or contend with. Thank you for bringing this awareness to women.
I’m so sorry that you went through all that. I can say there are good men out there. My husband is my partner, not my umbrella! I have a DVM and PhD and I am the bread winner technically while he quite his job and fosters medical challenge children. We are both super happy and fulfilled and never once have I felt taken advantage of.
Not all men are like that. I'm a man, and my ex was a narcissist. This is kind of funny. I have been helping out with my grandmother a lot, now that she is getting older. Now that I'm spending more time with her alone, I can't believe how big of a narcissist she is. Lol I never realized it growing up, but she has a very high opinion of herself. She thinks that she can manipulate everyone, and she is always right!. My grandfather has been dead for about 20 yrs, but I can't help but feel sorry for him, when he was alive. But yeah. Narcissism has no gender.
The problem with human beings is that they adapt and take advantage of systems which can boost their status or other power for their own advantage. Neurobiologically men on average statistically have systems which reward them more highly for aggression (whether coercive, manipulation, threatening or pure physical violence) giving you a "high" & fewer systems to introduce down regulation by introducing other neurotransmitters which make you feel "low" (eg anxiety, shame, basically called neuroticism). Add together a society since men decided war was a good way of hoarding resources of social conditioning geared towards controlling & using women for their needs (just try and think of an ancient text which isn't centred around war!) and you have women weaponised by their own biology and utterly unaware of it. Men know on average on mass how to weponize women's Neurobiologically even if its a higher awareness of threatening behaviour, to coerce when they can't be bothered to beat into submission. Narcissism is "reported" as being a tiny proportion of the population (between 3 - 5%) and higher statistically male, of that tiny percentage. These are old studies which are mainly done on prison populations to achieve diagnosis rates as no narcissist actually goes to a diagnostically capable professional (eg psychiatrist) (& tells the truth!) Knowing that doing so might result in a diagnosis! Its a rigged system which actually allows a huge majority of men to behave narcissistically and further, psycopathically and sociopathically, without the predator ever being labelled. That doesn't mean that women can't be narcissistic, ( I have encountered a few personally as they use systems again to elevate power and control and get sadistic pleasure from usurping other women). However, the undeniable rates of DV, SA, Coercion by men against women across every world population, since statistica began to be recorded over the mass of 7 by humans on the planet, is clear correlation to narcissism as an adaption which an overwhelming majority of men take advantage of. Women and men who try to argue that narcissism exists v rarely are being gaslit by old statistics and live in a bubble where they personally haven't been victimised by one (or flying monkeys for one)
The pain and suffering of these poor women has to be adding to their unwillingness to leave. Imagine suffering terribly because you believe it's the right thing to do for you and your kids and that there will be a great reward only to be confronted with finding out you were lied to. My heart breaks for them. 💔
I can’t express how grateful I am for your channel! I grew up LDS and now as an adult …10 years away from the church …I still find myself leaning on the church ideals at certain points in my life. Your channel has allowed me to think through why I do certain things because of all the church programming. It’s amazing to realize that there are out there like me and dealing with the same struggles. Thank you!
You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile, don’t you? He married very young girls. That should be enough right there to make you sever ties with the LDS cult. Do not support that disgusting man by leaning on his made up church ideals. You have to stand up and speak up!
As a woman who’s had 4 consecutive unexplained miscarriages my heart goes out to those in the community who can’t have children. I’ve had every investigation possible and I’ve still been told there’s no reason why I lost all my babies. There’s nothing I could’ve done differently nor anything I could’ve done to change the outcome and to know there will be women in this community who are demonised for not being able to have babies is absolutely heart breaking.
Hi Jade, thank you for sharing that. I’m so sorry about your experience. I agree, the pain would amplified in a group like this where your entire worth is based on having kids.
I'm so sorry that you went through that. You can rest in the knowledge that you are loved by God, he cares for you. Not having children when you want them is hard. But the treatment you've received isn't from God but men. Stand up, wipe your tears and help others that are going through the same thing. Read the Bible together and learn how "God" feels about you, not men. God bless.
@@CultstoConsciousness thank you so much for replying and thank you for your kindness🖤 I’m glad you’re now in a situation where you’re valued for who you are as a person, for your soul and your light. I wish you all the happiness in the world 🖤
My mom worked in a Kingston daycare and she watched a lot of this from the side lines. She told me all she wanted to do was to have kids, but she made sure to limit herself to one kid every 2-3 years because she watched Kingston wives go crazy from having a child every year.
@@nerysghemor5781 The Utah government turns the other way with the polygamist cults for some reason. You'd think they (being influenced by LDS Inc.) would bring down the hammer but they don't.
I remember the first thing said to myself when I dropped from a cult was "be patient with yourself because this is going to be a long process". Your authentic self already shines through I have to say though. It's something you probably can't see but you are way ahead of this crazy game in many ways. Keep playing snd having fun like you do in your videos if it doesn't resonate with sone let them drop off and stay firm in just being you as you are. It may be too real for some and they will find what they are looking for elsewhere and you can continue on your mission. The seeds you are planting are many layered. You are brave and original . Being original can be isolating but don't play smaller for anyone . You ladies are each so incredible and an inspiration I am 60 years old and learning, laughing right along with you. Narcissism is def the problem /patriarchy I LOVE how you pointed out how the women have all the power. I cannot believe how many large snd mini cults there are And so many new age ones it's crazy All these "schools" online and books of people "teaching" others about the so called gods and goddesses who got them out if their hell just another cult 💰 💰 💰 Selling training after training, jewelry all pushed by the in or cool club of the group It's just rediculous and I just love this channel Your compassion as well as detail is what keeps me coming back
I did not imagine I could enjoy a conversation about such dreadful goings on so much but you're both so eloquent and charismatic that the time just flew by. The absurd paradox of inbreeding being seen as ensuring strength in the bloodline was perversely amusing, especially that the belief persisted even while they did blood tests to avoid the worst of the risks!
The irony was not lost on me. How strange. I get "maintaining your blood line", but on one side of the line is good enough. We have known that genetic diversity is the key to strong offspring for a long time. IDK...it's just crazy.
The last time I checked in on him he did a video with Amanda and he was defending the LDS church from being a cult. I’m glad he is no longer affiliated with the church. I know a lot of ex FLDS and ex order members join the LDS Church because the core beliefs are the same. It gives them some sense of familiarity.
I'm a 33 year old lady for reference so hopefully this doesn't come off as creepy lol. You both are such intelligent, charismatic, dynamic, beautiful women. I love your dynamic together... it feels like joining in and hanging with 2 friends listening to you two talk. I hope you do more things together. And I just wanted to share my admiration for the 2 of you making it out of all the mess and being able to go on and be beacons of light for girls and women going through all kinds of things. Sending love and thanks to you both.
I miss seeing Amanda and the other very strong women on the "Escaping Polygamy" series. I wish the series would have lasted longer. I'd love to see an update on these ladies and their further accomplishments.
The thing that makes having children with close relatives dangerous is that if you have similar genetics, you’re more likely to be carrying the same mutations of genes. For example, you could carry a gene for a blood disorder, but if you marry someone unrelated who doesn’t have the gene, your child won’t actually get the disorder. They might still be a carrier, but they won’t be sick. However if you have a child with a relative who is more likely to be carrying the same mutated gene, you are way more likely to have a child who has the disorder. So my guess about the “blood tests” she’s referencing is that they were testing to see if they were carriers of certain genes.
But before that comes the imbalance of powers when you marry not only a much older person with way more priviledges than you but is also closely related to you.
@@inkenhafner7187 there's so much power imbalance... even if the woman close to the age of the husband, he will always be the one in power ,but of course a way younger woman is more impressionable and naive. it's disgusting and that something like this is even remotely legal and practiced in this day and age, is insane.
@@kerlivs.makeup2503 One day my sister texted me and said, "a guy came into my work that looked like Charles the II." I said, "of England or of Spain." She says, "of Spain!" I replied, "YIKES!" LOL
I loved this podcast. I've listened to Amanda Rae for awhile now, and just stumbled upon this gal, but I was raised LDS and yes, all this is so true. When I lost my virginity to my boyfriend I had to meet with the bishop a couple times, and just seeing his eyes widen In disgust when I had to tell him what I did, that made me stop going. Nothing and no one should ever make you feel so guilty that you think you're going the hell, especially for something so biologically natural.
Women getting pregnant every year do have bad health (poor nutrition, terribly fatigued, anemic) And their uterus "wears out" and doesn't work efficiently. That causes hemorrhage because the uterine muscle can't "clamp down" after birth any more. BTW, Michelle Duggar in cult, iblp, (19 kids and counting) had 20 children, but 2 pregnancies were twins and one miscarriage. That is still too many pregnancies for a uterus!!
I love Fundie Fridays- I don’t believe she herself grew up in cult but she knows so much about them! It would be really cool if you two did a collab on a cult- more of an info session than testimony but would be epic! ❤
I wasn't raised in a "cult", never joined one - But listening to ex-cultists is like finally having someone understand my father & my ex-husband. It's amazing how these forms of thinking can manifest in many situations in this world.
Two absolute gems, who are also warriors (advocates in the best way). You’re each great on your own, but it’s also so wonderful when you collaborate, as I knew it would be! 💙
There is this case of a sperm donor who already fathered 500 kids, and is ordered to no longer donate his sperm. There are plenty of other stories of IVF babies, that have a father that fathered over 100's of kids. These testing's on relationship and chances on birth defects will only increase.
That reminds me of the doctor that was using his own sperm to inseminate the patients. He was the "father" to over a hundred kids. Two of the children dated for a while several years before the truth came out.
Amanda has amazing insights into the toxic and evil nature of this group. She should be a social worker or counselor to those leaving these groups. Well done!!
I can’t be the only one who thought of Twilight when she was talking about the man claiming the baby was meant for him at birth. Lol. That’s exactly what Jacob did to Bella’s baby. It always creeped me out
@@sarahbrivio4159 she was. I only remember because I have a Mormon friend who told me Edward was a Mormon girl’s wet dream when we were in high school lol
Amanda has become n awesome lady trying to make her life be more then what her past is she is stronger then anyone thinks. I love her so much n i pray one day her mom will actually leave the hell she is being put through.
After this interview I’m rewatching Escaping Polygamy. Amanda said there’s a lot of mainstream Order businesses operating. If we could get a list of those mainstream business that are ran by the Order, I think it’d do them “wonders” to have it published.😎🤩
What's kind of funny is they did, Paul's mother put him in the leadership position and basically ran the cult behind the scenes for years. Strong women as long as they toe the line I guess
@Goodness-Gaddness Yes its kind of scary how realistic Serena Joy from the handmaid's tale is, so many women who fight for the right to not have rights its bizarre
I didn’t grow up in a cult. I am a recovering addict. I have always felt like I’m figuring out who I am and what my values are. Unless we sit down, reflect on what we truly want and what our values are, I don’t think we ever truly know. It’s a process going through so much change. I cannot imagine going through all that you did! ❤my heart goes out to you all. You’re truly strong and courageous women! Thank you for sharing and being brave ❤
Recurrent miscarriages are ultimately why my husband and i left the mainstream mormon church... I've had 8 losses. Although it's not spoken, it's very much a "shamefull" thing in the church. I even found an article on the church website called "how to talk to childless couples", that was the end for me. My mental health has improved so much since realizing I have worth other than my child rearing abilities.
Thank you Shelise for having Amanda back onto share more of her story and experiences with The Order with all of us. 💗 This video left me with extreme gratitude for the freedom that I have. 💞
Ive have been in a toxic marriage for over thirty years now struggling to get out. Your stories have helped me in so many ways to see myself. I now feel I can fully break out and remove myself to live a healthy life without him. Please keep doing and speaking your truth for it is truly helping others. I see fruit from your testimonies. ❤ Love you both, you are true heros in your oun rights.
Keep listening to content like this that will strengthen you for the task. You must be around my age by now and the rest of our lives is very short and belongs to us and us alone. I’m much happier on my own. Be active in your community and make friends with other strong women who are living for themselves and you won’t be lonely. And do hobbies you enjoy, walk in nature and learn about yourself and the world. Good luck, you deserve some peace now ❤
Please start formulating a plan to leave, and find some support. Reach out and see if there is a support group, even a Facebook group for people in abusive relationships. I know it sounds weird to look there. I'm hardly on Facebook anymore, but when I was dealing with a loved one with addiction issues, I found a really helpful group of people with the same issue. It was a great place for finding out what resources there were to get help.
Please get out!!! Don’t wait!! My best friend got out of a violent, emotionally abusive marriage after 46 years. She so regrets not getting out sooner. It’s been two years and with lots of baby steps forward and a few steps back, she’s finding freedom and peace. I’m SO SO proud of her!!
I was in a miserable 10 year relationship with a Fundie Christian who really abused me. I got away with the help of a friend, it's the best thing I ever did. My life has been happy after that. Please, please, keep trying. The best of luck!
I was adopted into a Mormon home when I was 13. I didn't learn about polygamy for many years later. Once I get to understand what it was all about I thought it was disgusting and didn't agree with it all.
OMG why are polygamists even allowed to adopt? They're probably doing it to bring fresh genes into the bloodline? Don't they have enough children already?
Mormons (LDS) are another cult where women are oppressed. I hope you realized and got out. You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile polygamist, yet Mormons worship him like he’s some kind of prophet. It’s just disgusting.
Financial abuse and social control are what these groups sustain with. The control over members financials is *key* to making them stay in The Order. It's the same exact tactic domestic abusers use to control their victims.
@43:20 my SIL married a man that was 33 years older then her that was a friend of the family. The man use to make jokes about "how's my future wife doing today?" when she was little and they have pictures of him holding her as a toddler. He swooped in right after she got out of an abusive relationship and love bombed her so hard, they were living together within 2 months, married less then a year later. It surprised me just how little this all seemed to bother anyone else. This still makes me so uncomfortable to even think about, I couldn't image it just being a normal part of life. Makes my heart break for all those girls stuck in that cult.
I went to high-school with a mormon. One day, I asked him what was wrong (his desk was right beside mine), because he looked a little down. He said that he was depressed because he is gay, and his parents were picking out a wife for him. I wonder how that works.
These poor girls and women! This is just so disturbing on so many levels!. Listen to me women and girls, no matter how you were raised, you are worthy of being accepted and loved for yourself.
It’s crazy the her half siblings are closer than half siblings because they’re also her cousins? And that it’s on both “sides” because of her mom’s sister and dad’s sister both marrying her dad. Very glad she did the family bush video!
I worked with a lady that was a little bit "off", to say the least. She lived in a little community, that several people from high-school lived in. I was asking her if she knew a few people. A lot of the people there are related. She volunteered that her husband was her "double blood cousin". I had never heard that term before. The scary part is that they had kids.
My mom's maiden name is LeBaron, and Ervil and Joel LeBaron are my grandpa's second cousins. I was in the mainstream church, but it's fascinating hearing all of the overlap and differences between the different groups.
To the bit at the end about laughter: I also think that laughing about your past situations and things also is a positive way of celebrating how you are now in a better place(:
Both of you are incredibly strong and intelligent women. Facing these bloated gross selfish people and asking hard questions and telling the truth about them is heroic!♥️✌️
I wonder if part of the reason they have each wife have a separate house is to keep the half siblings apart so they feel less gross about being expected to marry each other.
Historical note for you: I think in ancient Egypt they did marry siblings. Biology note: There is absolutely a difference in whether or not you grow up with someone or not. When you grow up with someone, there is a phenomenon called the Westermarck Effect that tends to make you feel instinctively that you shouldn't marry that person. In contrast, when you DON'T know the person at all, there can be such a thing as Genetic Sexual Attraction, which is basically where a person is attracted to the similarities in that person (sometimes without knowing the other person is related). For good reason, we have laws and morals forbidding that. (Not an excuse to blame the kids though, since they have no control over their lineage.)
My question is what do these cults do with special needs children? My daughter is autistic and because some autistic children dont have a visible disability, some people think they just need good discipline. How would the order handle children like this? And what happens if you cannot marry them off?
I don’t know much about the Morman Church and it’s teachings but I do know I am livid about what I have learnt today. I am especially angry at how these disgusting males get away with using and abusing women & children for their own selfish gain & gratification. How you ladies have survived this toxic, controlling, cruel & paedophilic cult is beyond me. I am overwhelmed by your strength, your courage and tenacity. Thank you for opening up your lives to us and for shedding light on this horrendous religious organisation.
I loved watching Escaping Polygamy, I wish you well in finding your authentic self, no matter how long it takes to remove the cult programming, it will be worth it
After what so many go through it does my heart good to hear laughter. Thanks for reminding me about Holding Out Help, in the process of filling out my donation form. If anyone reads this please consider donating or volunteering. This is a worthwhile place to help wherever you can.
I'd love for you guys to cover why this group needs to be taken down by the FBI and IRS - they should not be tax exempt when they violate labor laws and all kind of other abuse....
So, our neighbors a few blocks away here in Kaysville are rumored to be Kingston poligs... is there anything a regular citizen can do to protect children in our community from SA and incest, coercion, etc? I genuinely want to help but have no idea how?
Thank you! Yeah I did 5 cycles with 5 different families. I even got to meet one of them who lives in Australia. She’s 9 years old now and looks JUST like me! Makes me excited to have my own babies. I hope you had success in your ivf journey!❤️
What an incredible woman you are Shelise! Thank you for doing that 🩶 So, if I’m out and about here in Australia, and I spot ‘you’ I’m not going completely bonkers 🤣
This conversation is super healing for me... I wasn't raised in a cult, but definitely a culture of the "man is boss" and "women are meant to serve." I'm 50 and finally embracing my autonomy and right to say no. Thanks to both of you for your amazing honesty 💗🩷💖
WOW! The two of you have some fine chemistry! Nice Job. Im so inspired by your strength. Both of you. I love the addition of humor to heal from the wounds of your respective cults. You are powerful forces and I look forward to seeing your next moves!
Words cannot say how many times I identified memories, feelings, moments, and more in this interview. I was a brief convert of LDS (my choice), so I remember vague parts of the religion though didn't connect them to maybe some underlying issues I've had inside myself (ex: "needing to be the perfect person" schema, relationship with my body, etc.). It's been weird and wonderful and so wild to get those little ah huh's this episode and thank you for sharing !! Amanda Rae is so cool and continue being yourself girly. I love what you said about there's three parts of yourself and living as your true 'self' is when those three parts would be described as the same.
Wow this was so eye opening and I appreciate the openness of both of you lovely ladies 💚🌱I really loved the statement "if the women knew how much power they hold.." that really touched my heart, I'm in tears with this story. Much love and blessings to you both !
Amazing interview!! Please, do more episodes with Amanda!! Some members of my family are part of a catholic cult. They are really deep into it since many many years ago (many years before I was even born). It's very interesting and heartbreaking seeing how different coercitive groups share so many traits! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and kindness, Shelise ❤
Almost everything you’ve described about rules (tattling on your peers, shunning, staying for your family, worshipping your husband as head of house hold, etc etc) is exactly what it’s like to be a Jehovah’s Witness. Minus the polygamy. Even at 1:07:53…. It’s so creepy how exact these cults are. I’m so glad we are out. I’m proud of us.
I have had the ostracisation of family. I'm not practising mormonism but before my parents divorced we were in this religion. My mother had custody of us as we left the LDS. My father stayed. After his mum passed away he went crazy and sent death threats down the phone and we were so scared to go to her funeral (she wasn't LDS). He had a child with another lady who became his wife (incidentally third but he wasn't polygamist). They had a daughter who I tried so hard to have a relationship with when I was growing up - I would have very few visitations with my dad. He wrote us (my sister from his marriage to my mum) a letter after my nanna passed and told us we were no longer a part of his family and that I was to have no relationship with my baby sister. He got sick and decided 20 years after he disowned us to write to us to find out if he was a grandfather or not. We wrote back basically telling him he had forfeited all rights to know because he chose estrangement - he called us deranged. because we wouldn't give him the answer he wanted. He died and we did the dutiful thing and attended his funeral (which was very weird) and meeting my sister after years, her being an adult, we were still met with stoney silence. We do bot have a relationship even 6 years after my father's death.
As horrendous as it all is... I guess a part of me was hoping that at the very least these women were provided with houses, supported & could stay at home with their children but to be neglected, working, surviving on food stamps, paying your husband/ church rent. Just awful. Makes sense now that in sister wives Janelle seemed to be the main bread winner out of everyone & was supporting at least 1 other household.
Yes I thought the deal was wives get to be financially cared for at least! That’s what they make out. Of course I don’t expect men to work to earn for six women and forty kids but living in poverty, just another reason this is morally wrong.
So all this is still happening here in America!!! NO!!!! I am so proud & happy for the young women who find their way out of these situations. It’s not easy & there is always suffering for being separated from friends & loved ones.❤✌️🙏
As I read my Brighamite branch of my g grandmother's (Julia Hills Johnson Smith) journal, I discovered her daughter included an epilogue. She said this second generation polygamist, third wife of Joesph Smith's cousin Jesse N. Smith... accepted polygamy happily since she was born into it. Indoctrinated from birth kept screaming in my mind. She was one of the many daughters of Joel Hills Johnson, the writer of High on a Mountain Top... the LD$ hymn. Groomed. And obviously, that was okay. Every few years there are huge family reunions for the progenitors of these MEN and we are supposed to sing their praises for being so faithful and righteous. Even the obituaries of the plural wives praise the men. The age differences between husband and wives tell a whole story of exploitation and abuse on their own. Barf.
I have been looking out this video all day and then it came out when I had a nap lol, the story that upset me the most that I heard about from escaping polygamy was the woman who died of cancer because they wouldn't let her get help only what the husband and leader advised her to do a diet to help, wtf that one made me cry. 💔😭
@@CultstoConsciousness that's okay I really enjoy listening to your channel, I listen to you Spotify while I'm out up town doing my shopping etc sending you 💜 from 🇬🇧 UK, I really like your moon picture too xx
Another illuminating video from two knowledgeable, radiant women! ✨️ Thank you so much. Wall of text incoming 😅: Really makes me wonder what would happen if the Kingston women "unionized." They are so damn valuable. If they just KNEW it, they wouldn't even have to leave to have better treatment. The leaders would have to cave and give into their demands, or the men would lose everything. My mother wasn't in a cult per se, but has been in abusive marriages that were cult-like. She ALWAYS defers to men and has NO confidence in her own decision-making, even though she has deconstructed and is now single. I tell her all the time (and get very frustrated at times) that she's an ADULT who supported us for YEARS. She doesn't need anyone to give her permission!! But it's so hard to deprogram. On the note of, "I held this baby and knew I would marry her," that's the same thing President Grover Cleveland said about his wife, Frances Folsom. Her father died when she was a child and Cleveland was her GUARDIAN and in charge of her family estate. 🤮
As someone who grew up in the Jehovah’s Witnesses I thought that cult was weird….little did I know the JW’s were tame! So proud of you ladies for getting out! Continued healings and blessings to you both.
I just found your podcast and I can’t stop listening!!! My grandpa’s family was Mormon but as an adult he did not attend church. My grandma on the other hand was raised atheist. Growing up I was sad that my grandma wasn’t this kind grandmotherly type. She could be downright ornery. One day I had an epiphany that if she had of been that kind person we would have all been LDS. Because, after she and my grandpa were married the missionaries kept coming by and she finally started yelling at them to leave and never return. They did and in turn she didn’t convert nor the rest of the family.
I was raised in a southern baptist alabama family, and my father was one of 16 kids, and my mother was one of 8. My grandmother would jokingly say "if your Papa even looks at me funny I get pregnant. They where of the 1920's timeframe.
My partner just told me about the new Daughters of the Cult Hulu series. I info dumped on him about all the information I've learned from this podcast. I have learned so much from these! Thank you!
I was raised Roman Catholic, was head-strong and independent. I still didn't have a *strong* sense of myself until my mid-30s. Don't worry, keep trying and you will come into yourself.
Thank you so much for listening and sharing ❤ so happy I got to meet you and so excited to hopefully meet in person and hear more about your story as well 💜💜💜
Of course! It was awesome getting to learn more about your brand of Mormonism. Apostates Unite! Can’t wait to do it again and yes, meet in person ❤
Read Cult insanity for the La Barron family info The sound of gravel The favorite wife to get a three way look at that family
Amanda and Shelise, you two were absolutely wonderful together. I can see you two becoming very good friends. ❤
Not all heroes wear capes. Instead of keeping quiet, you both choose to scream it from the roof tops 👏👏👏
This was amazing! I loved listening to you two ❤
"He was holding the baby and he knew he would be marrying her one day."
The weird shit in Twilight makes a LOT more sense when you know that Stephenie Meyer is Mormon.
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So true omg
I did not know that!
💯 makes sense now
No mainstream Mormon is polygamous.
@@melissam.pledger6467 But she fantasizes about it apparently 😂
I don't understand how these men don't get thrown into jail for actually neglecting these women. If a woman dies because you refuse to take her to the hospital that is your fault
inbreeding and slavery are an american legacy
It's because women are raised to be quiet. I also think the law in Utah and other states where there's a heavy influx of mormons, plus the powers that be because they're voted in and they in turn hire the police who would be the first to be a part of the complaints and turn their heads. Only way to deal at this point is to get out.
@ST-yc7uj you are not wrong
@@ST-yc7ujlol it’s most of the worlds history. I’m actually curious to know which country has been perfect?
@@jenj1221 lets not stray from the topic. American cults, american history.
How can I say this politely... having unlimited power over as many women as you want, sl33ping with as many women and even children as you want and not having to deal with this exhausting daily stuff like their bills, their children, their jelousy, their complaints, their demands, because you taught them to be quiet and "sweet", because this God you made up allegedly sees these women's rightfull demands as sins - that's many weak men's and many pedophiles' w3t dream come true.
Yes truly a cult started by a sexual predator for the benefit of sexual predators.
Such lazy lions. Hearing about these systems always makes me think of lions. The lionesses take care of the cubs and hunts and does everything. All the lions do is hump, sleep, and fight other males. It really is crazy how men have ever been able to convince women that we are the inferior. We are literally the gateway into this world through our bodies, we "mature" quicker.... aka smarter lol. We are able to keep 1000 balls in the air while the man focuses on one thing at a time. I don't mean to bash men because there are some wonderful men out there. I just mean historically and I guess religiously, it's mind blowing how things have gone. We make a house a home. We make the heart warm. We keep the belly full. We bring the babies into the world. We go out there and work too. We bring home the bacon, cook it, clean up afterwards, "clean out the pipe" for our men. We are amazing creatures.
You know….you’re not wrong **sigh**
@@codirennke1109 I’ve always felt this way.. I don’t believe in a “god” it if I did it seems really obvious to me that if a god had a gender, it would be female.
@@codirennke1109 the lion thing is… innacurate but that’s not what bothers me. Men should not have dominion over women or other men for that matter. While saying you don’t mean to bash men, that’s what you do. A lot of men literally work themselves to death, especially blue collar, working class men. A lot of us have broken bodies from laboring to provide a decent life for our families. This topic is about a demographic and an oppressive religious culture and I include traditional Christian community. There are a lot of men with these depraved values and a lot of women who are complicit in perpetuating an amoral society. All these people need to be freed from these horrible beliefs; these women need to be supported and to know there is a better way.
Oh she's so tough! 🔥 She was talking back to her cult, to her father and her cousins. So courageous and smart. Good for her!!!
I have so much respect for both of you sharing your stories. I was in a narcissistic marriage for 18 years and my ex brought me into a church that was very cult like. Letting God decide the size of your family, submit to your husband no matter what…so much more. I’ve been out for 18 years now and still struggle with PTSD. My ex attacked me when I left. I’m one of the lucky ones. I survived and was able to get my six children away from him‼️
We are all doing well but carry many scars. Y’all make me feel like I’m not alone ❤
You should be proud of yourself. ❤ What you went through is not easy and you were strong to get yourself and the children out. Way to be, mama! ❤
I’m so sorry you went through that. You are definitely not alone! Tomorrow we are releasing a video that is the reverse of this. She was raised in the IBLP cult and ended up in an abusive marriage because of it. But she’s thriving now! Hope you are too ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness I will definitely be watching that Shalise❣️Thanks so much for your empathy and compassion❤️I know you are helping me and others to heal!!!
@@ginabina8944 thanks so much Gina! That means the world to me 🥰❤️👍🏼
Is the community not having half the society disabled… such close incest, it’s a lot
I was in an abusive relationship when I was young, and it took about a month from when I broke up with my abuser for me to have the lightbulb click on in my brain, where I told a good friend, who was awesomely supportive and helpful through that process, "Wait, was this abuse?" That friend, who had volunteered at a domestic violence shelter in the past said, "I wanted you to get their on your own, because I didn't think that you were ready for someone to tell you that yet." I am actually grateful that he let me get there on my own, because, if he had told me, I would have defended my abuser, and I might have gone back. After that moment, I did all of the research, and was checking off almost everything on the "Am I in an abusive relationship?" checklists. Now, I am in a much healthier space.
Hi! Thank you for sharing that. I’m so happy you are doing better now ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness It was a long road, but I had a lot of support from the people I am close to. Now I work in residential treatment for teens and young adults.
@@actingqweenI was in an abusive marriage as well. His abusive behavior was so gradual in the way it developed that I didn't even realize it was abusive until it got really bad. I was so happy with my first child that my focus was on that. There were definitely things that I didn't like, but I would just defer to him because he was a little older, had more life experience, etc. And he did teach me a lot of good things about budgeting, etc. But then it became just so much worse. He wanted total control of my life. About two months before my due date, he punched me in the chest as hard as he could. I'd just fallen asleep facing him. When I caught my breath, I asked him why he would do that. He said he had fallen asleep, and was dreaming he was fighting someone. I was just thinking, "What!?" After a couple of minutes, I realized that the same episode of "Seinfeld" was on that we'd been watching when I fell asleep. There's no way he would have fallen asleep and been dreaming in a few minutes.I should have run away right then. I'm not sure why I didn't. Anyway, it was a week or so after when I remembered that two of our coworkers were talking about how you could kill someone if you hit them in the chest really hard. They were arguing about it. One didn't believe it was possible, but the other said he'd seen some case about it or something. I was only half listening at the time, and that's why it didn't ring a bell immediately after my ex hit me. Anyway, long story, sorry. I eventually got away, but it took years, and I still have scars. But I did get a happy ending.
It was similar for me.
My mother was incredibly abusive and neglectful when I was a kid, but because it wasn’t severe physical abuse I didn’t realize it counted as abuse at all until I was about 20.
And my first serious relationship was a very abusive one, but I didn’t realize that was abuse either.
I knew it made me feel awful about myself and that he hurt me, but it wasn’t until I’d been broken up with him for a year that I realized it was abuse.
So friends and I were all talking about shitty exes and my friend said something about her “abusive ex husband”, but the things he did to her were the same things my ex had done to me.
I pulled her aside later and asked her about it and said “that’s abuse? I thought it was just normal crappy ex-boyfriend shit.”
She gave me a hug and said “yeah, that’s abuse. I’m sorry you’re in this club too.”
This was less than a year after I came to terms with the fact that my mother was abusive, so it felt like a lot.
I managed to get some help and I did a lot of reading on narcissistic parents and how children of narcissistic parents often find themselves in abusive relationships.
After that I found my now-husband who is amazing and we’ve been together almost 20 years (I’m old, lol).
@@Annie_Annie__ It's so hard to see "invisible" abuse. Also, it's hard because it's so unknown. People think that it's not so bad, but I remember when I had to think back to before it started and ask myself who I really was. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience it from the start, and not have a "prior self" to relate to.
I'm glad that you're doing well!!
The infertility is definitely mother natures way of saying, absolutely not! That’s enough of that! 🥴
That’s what I’m saying, even in their own beliefs, that would be God saying no!
The Habsburg royal family in Spain literally inbred themselves out of existence. The last Habsburg king was the result of three generations of uncle-niece marriages. He was so deformed and sick he couldn’t father children. His sister, (also married her uncle), her child and grandchild all died young. Mother Nature takes care of inbreeding sooner or later.
What religion, if any are you each participating in now?
Yes, totally.
This is so insensitive to women who struggle with that.
Men claiming babies or children is just their way to insure that other men don't claim them when they get older. It could also be related to pedophilia also.
43:40 immediately remembering Jacob Black in Twilight imprinting on a baby. Also remembering the author of Twilight is Mormon.
That was my initial thoughts too
Eeeek! I didn’t know that
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Stephanie Myer was mainstream though 😮💨 not The Order " still creepy as hell though
Raised mainstream Mormon, got soft shamed/guilted by my ex mother in law for holding off having kids after only having been married for a year. Ended up being able to wait 6yrs before getting pregnant. Had 6 pregnancies and 5 kids in 10yrs... My 5th and last baby, I was 14wks pregnant when I left my narcissistic, neglectful, self-righteous, passive aggressive, codependent, ehebophilic, sadistic ex ...that was 2020. I'm still waiting for my divorce to get finalized through either a settlement conference or trial
Congratulations on leaving that terrible marriage. I've been there. It's not easy to leave. I promise things get a lot better. Stay strong!!!
I wish you the best
I left my terrible marriage a year ago after 33 years of marriage and getting my own money through Social Security disability I left. I always said once I get my own money I’m leaving and I’m very proud that I did that.
@@jeannerountree952You were married for 33 years in a terrible marriage? I can't believe that
@@timfoolI'm a young person with no crazy experiences but it took me 5 second to think of few possible reasons: financial violence, insecurity, lack of education, children/pregnancy/desire to preserve a family unit, financial violence, loneliness/isolation/lack of family members to help during separation, psychological violence, fear of being murdered/fear of bitter spouse killing or hurting other family members in retaliation/upbringing. Some victims continuously suffer because they don't know any different. Can you blame them for not leaving if they didn't even know this was an option or didn't want to risk the safety of their family? At least we know you were raised with minimum autonomy if you can't even imagine such circumstances, but you're lacking compassion/imagination.
I am just blown away by how accurate and amazing Amanda is with explaining all of this cult mentality. Most of this doctrine and crazy chaotic thinking is in all of the polygamist cults and families. I’m Extremely grateful that so many young people are leaving and speaking out about the horrors of polygamy. Love you Amanda! Absolutely amazing interview!
Add Scientology to that as well, totally brainwashed. There is starting to become a large ex Scientology you Tube group, makes your head spin.
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How is our government not doing anything about this? This is criminal. I seriously don't understand. My heart goes out to every woman who is being treated like cattle. This is not freedom.
They cannot do anything without cooperating witnesses with first hand knowledge of crimes. People like Amanda are technically just not firsthand witnesses.
Because there could be some members of the government involved, or getting paid off. That is my speculation.
I've wondered the same thing. Lots of laws broken here. "Religious Freedom" doesn't extend to the harm of others.
Because it's America. We are free to preach and live our lives in accordance to our religion - good or bad.
Because a lot of these women are willing participants…. She said her mom didn’t like it she didn’t say she couldn’t leave
Thanks for giving Amanda a platform to share her story. She is so courageous
I am glad that she is speaking out on this so that viewers can see how dangerous these groups are 😢
These are not just conservative churches that dress modestly, children are being abused and incest is rampant
Yes!! I never know what to say to people who shrug and go, "idk, they're weird, but they seem happy and healthy." Like, "Oh okay. Well, as long as they *seem* fine."
I guess if nobody ever comes forward and speaks out, we all just assume all is well…
Not all are like this.
I love that Amanda speaks out and spills the tea. She lays it out how it is and it’s so important that we bring these things to light.
As usual, men making their own rules. I am 65 & have come to the conclusion that the majority of men are narcissists, don’t have a woman’s best interest in mind & simple minded. Using God’s word to manipulate is the worst.
My husband committed suicide when I was 29, leaving me with 2 small sons. I know it sounds harsh, but it was a blessing. I have dated 3 men & decided that I am so much happier by myself. I don’t want/need another man child to be a slave to or contend with.
Thank you for bringing this awareness to women.
Hi Sheila! Thank you for sharing that. I’m happy you have found the path that is best for you. Even though society would say it’s unconventional. ❤️
I’m so sorry that you went through all that. I can say there are good men out there. My husband is my partner, not my umbrella! I have a DVM and PhD and I am the bread winner technically while he quite his job and fosters medical challenge children. We are both super happy and fulfilled and never once have I felt taken advantage of.
Not all men are like that. I'm a man, and my ex was a narcissist. This is kind of funny. I have been helping out with my grandmother a lot, now that she is getting older. Now that I'm spending more time with her alone, I can't believe how big of a narcissist she is. Lol
I never realized it growing up, but she has a very high opinion of herself. She thinks that she can manipulate everyone, and she is always right!.
My grandfather has been dead for about 20 yrs, but I can't help but feel sorry for him, when he was alive.
But yeah. Narcissism has no gender.
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The problem with human beings is that they adapt and take advantage of systems which can boost their status or other power for their own advantage. Neurobiologically men on average statistically have systems which reward them more highly for aggression (whether coercive, manipulation, threatening or pure physical violence) giving you a "high" & fewer systems to introduce down regulation by introducing other neurotransmitters which make you feel "low" (eg anxiety, shame, basically called neuroticism).
Add together a society since men decided war was a good way of hoarding resources of social conditioning geared towards controlling & using women for their needs (just try and think of an ancient text which isn't centred around war!) and you have women weaponised by their own biology and utterly unaware of it.
Men know on average on mass how to weponize women's Neurobiologically even if its a higher awareness of threatening behaviour, to coerce when they can't be bothered to beat into submission.
Narcissism is "reported" as being a tiny proportion of the population (between 3 - 5%) and higher statistically male, of that tiny percentage.
These are old studies which are mainly done on prison populations to achieve diagnosis rates as no narcissist actually goes to a diagnostically capable professional (eg psychiatrist) (& tells the truth!) Knowing that doing so might result in a diagnosis!
Its a rigged system which actually allows a huge majority of men to behave narcissistically and further, psycopathically and sociopathically, without the predator ever being labelled.
That doesn't mean that women can't be narcissistic, ( I have encountered a few personally as they use systems again to elevate power and control and get sadistic pleasure from usurping other women).
However, the undeniable rates of DV, SA, Coercion by men against women across every world population, since statistica began to be recorded over the mass of 7 by humans on the planet, is clear correlation to narcissism as an adaption which an overwhelming majority of men take advantage of.
Women and men who try to argue that narcissism exists v rarely are being gaslit by old statistics and live in a bubble where they personally haven't been victimised by one (or flying monkeys for one)
Amanda is amazing all around. Her confidence, intelligence, and honesty are remarkable traits and I'm so impressed by her strength!
The pain and suffering of these poor women has to be adding to their unwillingness to leave. Imagine suffering terribly because you believe it's the right thing to do for you and your kids and that there will be a great reward only to be confronted with finding out you were lied to. My heart breaks for them. 💔
I find it interesting that the women have to suffer to get into the kingdom but the men don't. AM I correct in saying that??
I can’t express how grateful I am for your channel! I grew up LDS and now as an adult …10 years away from the church …I still find myself leaning on the church ideals at certain points in my life. Your channel has allowed me to think through why I do certain things because of all the church programming. It’s amazing to realize that there are out there like me and dealing with the same struggles. Thank you!
Hi Brookelyn! I love that so much! Thank you for sharing! ❤️ #apostatesunite
Read your Bible and you will start to realize how wrong they are and how right he is. Good luck!
You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile, don’t you? He married very young girls. That should be enough right there to make you sever ties with the LDS cult. Do not support that disgusting man by leaning on his made up church ideals. You have to stand up and speak up!
@@f.miller9522absolutely spot on, ❤
As a woman who’s had 4 consecutive unexplained miscarriages my heart goes out to those in the community who can’t have children. I’ve had every investigation possible and I’ve still been told there’s no reason why I lost all my babies. There’s nothing I could’ve done differently nor anything I could’ve done to change the outcome and to know there will be women in this community who are demonised for not being able to have babies is absolutely heart breaking.
Hi Jade, thank you for sharing that. I’m so sorry about your experience. I agree, the pain would amplified in a group like this where your entire worth is based on having kids.
I'm so sorry that you went through that. You can rest in the knowledge that you are loved by God, he cares for you. Not having children when you want them is hard. But the treatment you've received isn't from God but men. Stand up, wipe your tears and help others that are going through the same thing. Read the Bible together and learn how "God" feels about you, not men. God bless.
@@CultstoConsciousness thank you so much for replying and thank you for your kindness🖤 I’m glad you’re now in a situation where you’re valued for who you are as a person, for your soul and your light. I wish you all the happiness in the world 🖤
@@f.miller9522 Thank you for your response and kind words, I really appreciate it 🖤
I got strange attitudes from family after my miscarriage. Like they didn’t even want to hug me. I hope you’re doing ok too
My mom worked in a Kingston daycare and she watched a lot of this from the side lines. She told me all she wanted to do was to have kids, but she made sure to limit herself to one kid every 2-3 years because she watched Kingston wives go crazy from having a child every year.
Does Utah have an obligation to report abuse/incest for people working in a position like a day care?
@@nerysghemor5781 The Utah government turns the other way with the polygamist cults for some reason. You'd think they (being influenced by LDS Inc.) would bring down the hammer but they don't.
Would that be because attention on the other cults risks attention on why all of Mormonism is a cult and the fact that they own the state?
@@nerysghemor5781right
@@nerysghemor5781 I'm not sure, but my mom hasn't worked in daycare for a very long time and back then it was probably under the table anyway.
I remember the first thing said to myself when I dropped from a cult was "be patient with yourself because this is going to be a long process".
Your authentic self already shines through I have to say though. It's something you probably can't see but you are way ahead of this crazy game in many ways. Keep playing snd having fun like you do in your videos if it doesn't resonate with sone let them drop off and stay firm in just being you as you are. It may be too real for some and they will find what they are looking for elsewhere and you can continue on your mission. The seeds you are planting are many layered. You are brave and original . Being original can be isolating but don't play smaller for anyone . You ladies are each so incredible and an inspiration
I am 60 years old and learning, laughing right along with you.
Narcissism is def the problem /patriarchy
I LOVE how you pointed out how the women have all the power.
I cannot believe how many large snd mini cults there are
And so many new age ones it's crazy
All these "schools" online and books of people "teaching" others about the so called gods and goddesses who got them out if their hell just another cult 💰 💰 💰
Selling training after training, jewelry all pushed by the in or cool club of the group
It's just rediculous and I just love this channel
Your compassion as well as detail is what keeps me coming back
I did not imagine I could enjoy a conversation about such dreadful goings on so much but you're both so eloquent and charismatic that the time just flew by. The absurd paradox of inbreeding being seen as ensuring strength in the bloodline was perversely amusing, especially that the belief persisted even while they did blood tests to avoid the worst of the risks!
The irony was not lost on me. How strange. I get "maintaining your blood line", but on one side of the line is good enough. We have known that genetic diversity is the key to strong offspring for a long time. IDK...it's just crazy.
@@letsdothis9063 Yeah, crazy pretty much covers it in the end. We should add despicable as well, just to be safe!
I'm hoping for one with her brother Eskel. He went from The Order to LDS and no longer affiliated with it. Heck of a spiritual journey.
Yes! That would be great to have Eskel and Amanda.
@Dezra if that’s your real name, awesome! Me too!
@@Clickerchick it certainly is!
The last time I checked in on him he did a video with Amanda and he was defending the LDS church from being a cult. I’m glad he is no longer affiliated with the church. I know a lot of ex FLDS and ex order members join the LDS Church because the core beliefs are the same. It gives them some sense of familiarity.
I'm a 33 year old lady for reference so hopefully this doesn't come off as creepy lol. You both are such intelligent, charismatic, dynamic, beautiful women. I love your dynamic together... it feels like joining in and hanging with 2 friends listening to you two talk. I hope you do more things together. And I just wanted to share my admiration for the 2 of you making it out of all the mess and being able to go on and be beacons of light for girls and women going through all kinds of things. Sending love and thanks to you both.
Aww thanks so much, Codi! Im 33 in August so we could totally be friends hanging out lol😁❤️
What a fantastic interview! So real & Amanda is doing so much to help those who want to leave the cult.
Thank you, Shelise for your work! 💞
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your support!❤️
I miss seeing Amanda and the other very strong women on the "Escaping Polygamy" series. I wish the series would have lasted longer. I'd love to see an update on these ladies and their further accomplishments.
Yes bring it back!!
Wow, I didn’t know there was a UA-cam channel. I really loved that show
Yeah what happened to that . They seemed to be on the cusp of exposing but the lady being undercover I think went back
The thing that makes having children with close relatives dangerous is that if you have similar genetics, you’re more likely to be carrying the same mutations of genes. For example, you could carry a gene for a blood disorder, but if you marry someone unrelated who doesn’t have the gene, your child won’t actually get the disorder. They might still be a carrier, but they won’t be sick. However if you have a child with a relative who is more likely to be carrying the same mutated gene, you are way more likely to have a child who has the disorder. So my guess about the “blood tests” she’s referencing is that they were testing to see if they were carriers of certain genes.
we all know what happened to the harbsburgs when they tried to keep the bloodline clean...
they made a family wheel instead of a tree.
But before that comes the imbalance of powers when you marry not only a much older person with way more priviledges than you but is also closely related to you.
@@inkenhafner7187 there's so much power imbalance... even if the woman close to the age of the husband, he will always be the one in power ,but of course a way younger woman is more impressionable and naive. it's disgusting and that something like this is even remotely legal and practiced in this day and age, is insane.
@@kerlivs.makeup2503 One day my sister texted me and said, "a guy came into my work that looked like Charles the II." I said, "of England or of Spain." She says, "of Spain!" I replied, "YIKES!" LOL
@@fifimsp yikes 😅 poor guy...
I loved this podcast. I've listened to Amanda Rae for awhile now, and just stumbled upon this gal, but I was raised LDS and yes, all this is so true. When I lost my virginity to my boyfriend I had to meet with the bishop a couple times, and just seeing his eyes widen In disgust when I had to tell him what I did, that made me stop going. Nothing and no one should ever make you feel so guilty that you think you're going the hell, especially for something so biologically natural.
Women getting pregnant every year do have bad health (poor nutrition, terribly fatigued, anemic) And their uterus "wears out" and doesn't work efficiently. That causes hemorrhage because the uterine muscle can't "clamp down" after birth any more.
BTW, Michelle Duggar in cult, iblp, (19 kids and counting) had 20 children, but 2 pregnancies were twins and one miscarriage. That is still too many pregnancies for a uterus!!
I love Fundie Fridays- I don’t believe she herself grew up in cult but she knows so much about them! It would be really cool if you two did a collab on a cult- more of an info session than testimony but would be epic! ❤
Yes! We are trying to get a hold of her! Maybe you could drop her a comment on her page! 😜❤️
Will do!
I wasn't raised in a "cult", never joined one - But listening to ex-cultists is like finally having someone understand my father & my ex-husband. It's amazing how these forms of thinking can manifest in many situations in this world.
Two absolute gems, who are also warriors (advocates in the best way). You’re each great on your own, but it’s also so wonderful when you collaborate, as I knew it would be! 💙
Aww thank you! We are going live at noon pacific today!
There is this case of a sperm donor who already fathered 500 kids, and is ordered to no longer donate his sperm.
There are plenty of other stories of IVF babies, that have a father that fathered over 100's of kids.
These testing's on relationship and chances on birth defects will only increase.
That reminds me of the doctor that was using his own sperm to inseminate the patients. He was the "father" to over a hundred kids. Two of the children dated for a while several years before the truth came out.
Amanda has amazing insights into the toxic and evil nature of this group. She should be a social worker or counselor to those leaving these groups. Well done!!
I can’t be the only one who thought of Twilight when she was talking about the man claiming the baby was meant for him at birth. Lol. That’s exactly what Jacob did to Bella’s baby. It always creeped me out
Well I'm pretty sure Stephanie Mayer was raised Mormon so you're not too far off
@@sarahbrivio4159 I didn’t know this and now I am even more disturbed than before!!
@@sarahbrivio4159 she was. I only remember because I have a Mormon friend who told me Edward was a Mormon girl’s wet dream when we were in high school lol
@@justineharper3346 oh my ahahaha
That part of the book was so cringy to me too.
Amanda has become n awesome lady trying to make her life be more then what her past is she is stronger then anyone thinks. I love her so much n i pray one day her mom will actually leave the hell she is being put through.
After this interview I’m rewatching Escaping Polygamy. Amanda said there’s a lot of mainstream Order businesses operating. If we could get a list of those mainstream business that are ran by the Order, I think it’d do them “wonders” to have it published.😎🤩
I should add that I DO NOT recommend reading the rest of the court document unless you are in a stable place emotionally.
The Kingston's didn't account for strong, intelligent women. My heart, soul, blessings go out to you Amanda ❤ you are the "David" to their "goliath."
Couldn’t agree more!!
What's kind of funny is they did, Paul's mother put him in the leadership position and basically ran the cult behind the scenes for years. Strong women as long as they toe the line I guess
@Goodness-Gaddness Yes its kind of scary how realistic Serena Joy from the handmaid's tale is, so many women who fight for the right to not have rights its bizarre
I didn’t grow up in a cult. I am a recovering addict. I have always felt like I’m figuring out who I am and what my values are. Unless we sit down, reflect on what we truly want and what our values are, I don’t think we ever truly know. It’s a process going through so much change. I cannot imagine going through all that you did! ❤my heart goes out to you all. You’re truly strong and courageous women! Thank you for sharing and being brave ❤
Amanda Rae is so smart and well-spoken. Her two episodes were my favorite!
She’s great, right?! We need to have her on more often
Recurrent miscarriages are ultimately why my husband and i left the mainstream mormon church... I've had 8 losses. Although it's not spoken, it's very much a "shamefull" thing in the church. I even found an article on the church website called "how to talk to childless couples", that was the end for me. My mental health has improved so much since realizing I have worth other than my child rearing abilities.
I love the vibe here 🥰 and the support for healing. Thanks!
Thank you Shelise for having Amanda back onto share more of her story and experiences with The Order with all of us. 💗 This video left me with extreme gratitude for the freedom that I have. 💞
You are so welcome! Thanks for your support
Ive have been in a toxic marriage for over thirty years now struggling to get out. Your stories have helped me in so many ways to see myself. I now feel I can fully break out and remove myself to live a healthy life without him. Please keep doing and speaking your truth for it is truly helping others. I see fruit from your testimonies. ❤ Love you both, you are true heros in your oun rights.
Omg!! Update??
Keep listening to content like this that will strengthen you for the task. You must be around my age by now and the rest of our lives is very short and belongs to us and us alone. I’m much happier on my own. Be active in your community and make friends with other strong women who are living for themselves and you won’t be lonely. And do hobbies you enjoy, walk in nature and learn about yourself and the world. Good luck, you deserve some peace now ❤
Please start formulating a plan to leave, and find some support. Reach out and see if there is a support group, even a Facebook group for people in abusive relationships. I know it sounds weird to look there. I'm hardly on Facebook anymore, but when I was dealing with a loved one with addiction issues, I found a really helpful group of people with the same issue. It was a great place for finding out what resources there were to get help.
Please get out!!! Don’t wait!! My best friend got out of a violent, emotionally abusive marriage after 46 years. She so regrets not getting out sooner. It’s been two years and with lots of baby steps forward and a few steps back, she’s finding freedom and peace. I’m SO SO proud of her!!
I was in a miserable 10 year relationship with a Fundie Christian who really abused me. I got away with the help of a friend, it's the best thing I ever did. My life has been happy after that. Please, please, keep trying. The best of luck!
I was adopted into a Mormon home when I was 13. I didn't learn about polygamy for many years later. Once I get to understand what it was all about I thought it was disgusting and didn't agree with it all.
OMG why are polygamists even allowed to adopt? They're probably doing it to bring fresh genes into the bloodline? Don't they have enough children already?
Mormons (LDS) are another cult where women are oppressed. I hope you realized and got out. You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile polygamist, yet Mormons worship him like he’s some kind of prophet. It’s just disgusting.
Enjoy the journey of self discovery Girl, I am right there with you:)! you are so strong, beautiful and true! loved hearing you speak
Financial abuse and social control are what these groups sustain with. The control over members financials is *key* to making them stay in The Order. It's the same exact tactic domestic abusers use to control their victims.
@43:20 my SIL married a man that was 33 years older then her that was a friend of the family. The man use to make jokes about "how's my future wife doing today?" when she was little and they have pictures of him holding her as a toddler. He swooped in right after she got out of an abusive relationship and love bombed her so hard, they were living together within 2 months, married less then a year later. It surprised me just how little this all seemed to bother anyone else. This still makes me so uncomfortable to even think about, I couldn't image it just being a normal part of life. Makes my heart break for all those girls stuck in that cult.
Eeeek that’s soooo uncomfortable.
My jaw dropped for like 5 minutes when she said someone asked if they could marry their daughter
Yup. 🤢
the mormon god is really a monster
@@cece54hf , yes. There's so much horror in these interviews.
I went to high-school with a mormon. One day, I asked him what was wrong (his desk was right beside mine), because he looked a little down.
He said that he was depressed because he is gay, and his parents were picking out a wife for him.
I wonder how that works.
These poor girls and women! This is just so disturbing on so many levels!. Listen to me women and girls, no matter how you were raised, you are worthy of being accepted and loved for yourself.
It’s crazy the her half siblings are closer than half siblings because they’re also her cousins? And that it’s on both “sides” because of her mom’s sister and dad’s sister both marrying her dad. Very glad she did the family bush video!
I worked with a lady that was a little bit "off", to say the least. She lived in a little community, that several people from high-school lived in.
I was asking her if she knew a few people. A lot of the people there are related. She volunteered that her husband was her "double blood cousin".
I had never heard that term before. The scary part is that they had kids.
My mom's maiden name is LeBaron, and Ervil and Joel LeBaron are my grandpa's second cousins. I was in the mainstream church, but it's fascinating hearing all of the overlap and differences between the different groups.
Have you read the Polygamist's daughter by Anna Le Baron? I highly recommend it
I think we have LeBarons in northern Mexico. Think they ran into some trouble with one of the cartels.
To the bit at the end about laughter: I also think that laughing about your past situations and things also is a positive way of celebrating how you are now in a better place(:
Suddenly the baby imprinting in Twilight makes sense
Yes! Was going to comment that, then the ADHD forgetfulness kicked in...
Oh my goodness I didn't make the link but yes!
Lol I just said this to my daughter then I saw your comment 😂
When I heard Amanda mention the guys saying they want to marry the baby, that's exactly what I thought of too. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
their chemistry is so fantastic i could listen to the two of them talk for hours
Aww thanks! We have a whole playlist dedicated to Amanda with all our videos together 😁
Both of you are incredibly strong and intelligent women. Facing these bloated gross selfish people and asking hard questions and telling the truth about them is heroic!♥️✌️
Thank you! 🥰
I wonder if part of the reason they have each wife have a separate house is to keep the half siblings apart so they feel less gross about being expected to marry each other.
It also reduces fighting and the women ganging up against the guy
This was great. Amanda is super smart and FIERCE 🙂 I pity the stupid Kingston men who tried to control her, not 😂
Right?!😂
Historical note for you: I think in ancient Egypt they did marry siblings. Biology note: There is absolutely a difference in whether or not you grow up with someone or not. When you grow up with someone, there is a phenomenon called the Westermarck Effect that tends to make you feel instinctively that you shouldn't marry that person. In contrast, when you DON'T know the person at all, there can be such a thing as Genetic Sexual Attraction, which is basically where a person is attracted to the similarities in that person (sometimes without knowing the other person is related). For good reason, we have laws and morals forbidding that. (Not an excuse to blame the kids though, since they have no control over their lineage.)
woah! So interesting! Thank you!
In Egypt the pharaohs inbred. Akhenaten was so inbred he walked with two canes.
I married in the Anglican church in 1958. We had to sign a legal form stating we were not first cousins. Has to have been a reason for that.
My question is what do these cults do with special needs children? My daughter is autistic and because some autistic children dont have a visible disability, some people think they just need good discipline. How would the order handle children like this? And what happens if you cannot marry them off?
Check out Blanket Training for infants. It's infuriating and abuse without end or repercussions.
These conversations are like free therapy for me 😁
Yay another Video!!! With Amanda Rae❤
I don’t know much about the Morman Church and it’s teachings but I do know I am livid about what I have learnt today. I am especially angry at how these disgusting males get away with using and abusing women & children for their own selfish gain & gratification. How you ladies have survived this toxic, controlling, cruel & paedophilic cult is beyond me. I am overwhelmed by your strength, your courage and tenacity. Thank you for opening up your lives to us and for shedding light on this horrendous religious organisation.
I loved watching Escaping Polygamy, I wish you well in finding your authentic self, no matter how long it takes to remove the cult programming, it will be worth it
After what so many go through it does my heart good to hear laughter. Thanks for reminding me about Holding Out Help, in the process of filling out my donation form. If anyone reads this please consider donating or volunteering. This is a worthwhile place to help wherever you can.
This was a great episode! I hope the two of you collaborate more!
Thank you so much! We definitely will ❤️😁
i was wanting to mention..I love the Tree art behind you!! an Artist you are!
I'd love for you guys to cover why this group needs to be taken down by the FBI and IRS - they should not be tax exempt when they violate labor laws and all kind of other abuse....
i'll bring this up to her today in our live! (noon pacific)
So, our neighbors a few blocks away here in Kaysville are rumored to be Kingston poligs... is there anything a regular citizen can do to protect children in our community from SA and incest, coercion, etc? I genuinely want to help but have no idea how?
I'm down for an entire episode about the banking :D
This story is so fascinating. I’ve noticed that so many of these Mormon split off groups have all the Joseph smith teaching ingrained within them.
Shalise it is amazing you were an egg donor! What a gift! It is a hard process (we did ivf and that egg retrieval process is no joke!)
Thank you! Yeah I did 5 cycles with 5 different families. I even got to meet one of them who lives in Australia. She’s 9 years old now and looks JUST like me! Makes me excited to have my own babies. I hope you had success in your ivf journey!❤️
What an incredible woman you are Shelise! Thank you for doing that 🩶
So, if I’m out and about here in Australia, and I spot ‘you’ I’m not going completely bonkers 🤣
We did! Four amazing kiddos and donated the rest!
@CultstoConsciousness that's so cool you got to meet one! 😮
we used egg donor to get pregnant.i thank this selfless woman every day looking at my beautiful daughter🥰 egg donation is amazing.thank you
This conversation is super healing for me... I wasn't raised in a cult, but definitely a culture of the "man is boss" and "women are meant to serve." I'm 50 and finally embracing my autonomy and right to say no. Thanks to both of you for your amazing honesty 💗🩷💖
WOW! The two of you have some fine chemistry! Nice Job. Im so inspired by your strength. Both of you. I love the addition of humor to heal from the wounds of your respective cults. You are powerful forces and I look forward to seeing your next moves!
Thank you so much!
Totally speechless Amanda, you are THE BOMB girl. ❤❤❤ Love you Shelise!!💖💖💖
This is one of the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard. These people that are preying on the women and children need to be locked up forever.
I agree, this pisses me off these men do this to women and I can't say what I would like to to men who do this to women.
Makes me really angry.
Words cannot say how many times I identified memories, feelings, moments, and more in this interview. I was a brief convert of LDS (my choice), so I remember vague parts of the religion though didn't connect them to maybe some underlying issues I've had inside myself (ex: "needing to be the perfect person" schema, relationship with my body, etc.). It's been weird and wonderful and so wild to get those little ah huh's this episode and thank you for sharing !! Amanda Rae is so cool and continue being yourself girly. I love what you said about there's three parts of yourself and living as your true 'self' is when those three parts would be described as the same.
Wow this was so eye opening and I appreciate the openness of both of you lovely ladies 💚🌱I really loved the statement "if the women knew how much power they hold.." that really touched my heart, I'm in tears with this story. Much love and blessings to you both !
Thank you!❤️🙌
Amazing interview!! Please, do more episodes with Amanda!!
Some members of my family are part of a catholic cult. They are really deep into it since many many years ago (many years before I was even born).
It's very interesting and heartbreaking seeing how different coercitive groups share so many traits!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and kindness, Shelise ❤
More to come! we are going live at noon pacific today!
Please drop the name of this catholic group. For research
This was such a good interview. I wish it were twice as long.
There’s another video with Amanda! 😁
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Almost everything you’ve described about rules (tattling on your peers, shunning, staying for your family, worshipping your husband as head of house hold, etc etc) is exactly what it’s like to be a Jehovah’s Witness. Minus the polygamy. Even at 1:07:53…. It’s so creepy how exact these cults are.
I’m so glad we are out. I’m proud of us.
I have had the ostracisation of family. I'm not practising mormonism but before my parents divorced we were in this religion. My mother had custody of us as we left the LDS. My father stayed. After his mum passed away he went crazy and sent death threats down the phone and we were so scared to go to her funeral (she wasn't LDS). He had a child with another lady who became his wife (incidentally third but he wasn't polygamist). They had a daughter who I tried so hard to have a relationship with when I was growing up - I would have very few visitations with my dad. He wrote us (my sister from his marriage to my mum) a letter after my nanna passed and told us we were no longer a part of his family and that I was to have no relationship with my baby sister. He got sick and decided 20 years after he disowned us to write to us to find out if he was a grandfather or not. We wrote back basically telling him he had forfeited all rights to know because he chose estrangement - he called us deranged. because we wouldn't give him the answer he wanted. He died and we did the dutiful thing and attended his funeral (which was very weird) and meeting my sister after years, her being an adult, we were still met with stoney silence. We do bot have a relationship even 6 years after my father's death.
Just stumbled across this conversation and I am so impressed by the strong female energy here!!❤
Thank you, Angie!
As horrendous as it all is... I guess a part of me was hoping that at the very least these women were provided with houses, supported & could stay at home with their children but to be neglected, working, surviving on food stamps, paying your husband/ church rent. Just awful. Makes sense now that in sister wives Janelle seemed to be the main bread winner out of everyone & was supporting at least 1 other household.
Exactly. It’s so backwards and awful
Yes this is true. Really true.
Yes I thought the deal was wives get to be financially cared for at least! That’s what they make out. Of course I don’t expect men to work to earn for six women and forty kids but living in poverty, just another reason this is morally wrong.
My grandmother was not in a cult but she had 18 children (no twins) and she lived until she was 94 years old
@klazinavanderlek-ed7xu mine was married at 15, had 14 children with 12 who survived & lived to be 91. She didn't want that life for her own children.
I love the painting behind Amanda. I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you both so much ❤
You are so welcome!
So all this is still happening here in America!!! NO!!!!
I am so proud & happy for the young women who find their way out of these situations. It’s not easy & there is always suffering for being separated from friends & loved ones.❤✌️🙏
As I read my Brighamite branch of my g grandmother's (Julia Hills Johnson Smith) journal, I discovered her daughter included an epilogue. She said this second generation polygamist, third wife of Joesph Smith's cousin Jesse N. Smith... accepted polygamy happily since she was born into it. Indoctrinated from birth kept screaming in my mind. She was one of the many daughters of Joel Hills Johnson, the writer of High on a Mountain Top... the LD$ hymn. Groomed. And obviously, that was okay. Every few years there are huge family reunions for the progenitors of these MEN and we are supposed to sing their praises for being so faithful and righteous. Even the obituaries of the plural wives praise the men. The age differences between husband and wives tell a whole story of exploitation and abuse on their own. Barf.
I have been looking out this video all day and then it came out when I had a nap lol, the story that upset me the most that I heard about from escaping polygamy was the woman who died of cancer because they wouldn't let her get help only what the husband and leader advised her to do a diet to help, wtf that one made me cry. 💔😭
Soooo awful!!! Thanks for popping on to watch after your nap 😁
@@CultstoConsciousness that's okay I really enjoy listening to your channel, I listen to you Spotify while I'm out up town doing my shopping etc sending you 💜 from 🇬🇧 UK, I really like your moon picture too xx
You two seem like best friends !! So much in common and on the same road to exposing this evil BS
Another illuminating video from two knowledgeable, radiant women! ✨️ Thank you so much. Wall of text incoming 😅:
Really makes me wonder what would happen if the Kingston women "unionized." They are so damn valuable. If they just KNEW it, they wouldn't even have to leave to have better treatment. The leaders would have to cave and give into their demands, or the men would lose everything.
My mother wasn't in a cult per se, but has been in abusive marriages that were cult-like. She ALWAYS defers to men and has NO confidence in her own decision-making, even though she has deconstructed and is now single. I tell her all the time (and get very frustrated at times) that she's an ADULT who supported us for YEARS. She doesn't need anyone to give her permission!! But it's so hard to deprogram.
On the note of, "I held this baby and knew I would marry her," that's the same thing President Grover Cleveland said about his wife, Frances Folsom. Her father died when she was a child and Cleveland was her GUARDIAN and in charge of her family estate. 🤮
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Shelise, Amanda, both women are super smart and you are helping so many people. Keep shedding light on all of this! Loooove these shows!!❤
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As someone who grew up in the Jehovah’s Witnesses I thought that cult was weird….little did I know the JW’s were tame! So proud of you ladies for getting out! Continued healings and blessings to you both.
I just found your podcast and I can’t stop listening!!! My grandpa’s family was Mormon but as an adult he did not attend church. My grandma on the other hand was raised atheist. Growing up I was sad that my grandma wasn’t this kind grandmotherly type. She could be downright ornery. One day I had an epiphany that if she had of been that kind person we would have all been LDS. Because, after she and my grandpa were married the missionaries kept coming by and she finally started yelling at them to leave and never return. They did and in turn she didn’t convert nor the rest of the family.
How interesting! Funny how things turned out because of her! Welcome to C2C 😁
I was raised in a southern baptist alabama family, and my father was one of 16 kids, and my mother was one of 8.
My grandmother would jokingly say "if your Papa even looks at me funny I get pregnant. They where of the 1920's timeframe.
My partner just told me about the new Daughters of the Cult Hulu series. I info dumped on him about all the information I've learned from this podcast. I have learned so much from these! Thank you!
this girl is the candy from all your episodes she is so funny and her sense of humor and sarcactising is great😂
I agree. She’s hilarious and so fun to talk to
I was raised Roman Catholic, was head-strong and independent. I still didn't have a *strong* sense of myself until my mid-30s. Don't worry, keep trying and you will come into yourself.
Loved the show escaping polygamy. Dangerous and scary. But those girls are so brave and smart. Kudos for their smarts and dedication.