@@loopylad4722 - then I’m pleading with you to watch The Orville, it is the spiritual successor to ‘modern’ Star Trek we deserved from paramount / cbs!
Hey Major - keep up your work! At least something good can come from this trash… I guess they are giving you decades of revenue from UA-cam with the drivel that Kirtsman barfs out!
It's funny how Guinan looks younger & didn't recognize Picard in the Star Trek Picard series when she met him and looked much older in the TNG series in the late 19th century when she was with Mark Twain
It's the current year, Q has no more interest in the demographics of JLP. Today, it's all about black space Jesus, so he's probably watching her 24/24, amazed at her amazing amazingness.
@@brianbatie6650 Apparently, she was trying to finish off the stock before she left so she would've needed the glasses to keep bangin' back those shots like the badass the writers so desperately want her to be.
At this point, I think it would be best to just leave the whole Q/Guinan rivalry a mystery. It's already really strained by the fact that the Borg destroyed the El-Aurian homeworld, while Q could probably wipe out the whole collective with the snap of his fingers if he wanted. Plus, what we've seen already of other El-Aurians, they're basically just normal (if long-lived) people. If I had to write a story that explained it, it would probably be along the lines of Guinan herself being personally given Q powers or something, like Riker was in that one episode. Then plot ensues.
Paradox time. Had Q eliminated the Borg, we likely wouldn't have had Guinan as a character on the ship in the first place, to even wonder about the relationship. I admit, the TNG scene where Guinan was apparently prepared to defend herself against Q raised questions for me that should have been answered, and would have made for interesting story arcs. If Guinan was powerful enough to defend herself against Q, should she not have been powerful enough to deal with the Borg without Q's help? If she was given Q abilities, a-la Riker, why would she not have simply remade her planet?
Everyone says the Q can snap the Borg out of existence and yet the only canonical information we have is Q telling Q Jr not to mess with the Borg. As for the El Aurians, we have no idea how long they resisted the Borg. Given an armada of cubes swarmed through their home system, though, it would appear their resistance quotient was far higher than humanity's: the Borg have never sent more than 1 cube to assimilate Earth (beta canon aside).
You can just invent a million different explanations. For example: the El-Aurian's have a relationship with time/reality and are shown to be resistant to time rewrites, so they can't be manipulated by the Q and can see through their machinations. This alone would make them adversaries. That, however, doesn't make them gods, they can still be shot or have their planet blown up by non-temporal technologies. It's easy to imagine many lore options where a being is exceedingly strong at 1 thing without it making them a Mary Sue character.
@@chrisanderson7820 Indeed that is a storyline worth considering, but it still begs the question posed by their first TNG encounter, what was Guinan's pose going to do against a Q? If Guinan knew there would be nothing she could do, then why the "tiger claw" pose? Also, Q usually just snaps a finger, but here he chose, or had to, extend his arm, suggesting it would take more power than is usual for a Q. Indeed, since Q is not necessarily one to actually ask Picard's permission to do something, is it possible that Q was actually trying to "disappear" Guinan, who was able to block it? Q's line "This creature is not what she seems, she is an Imp." begs the question, "Ok, then what is she?" Define Imp." Questions like these would have been better answered in the TNG run, and is a major plot device left unexplored and unexplained, so I do enjoy at least the attempt to fill in the gaps. The earthquake was interesting, suggesting a connection and ability of Guinan's never before even hinted at during TNG.
There are possible explanations like El-Aurians are on a kind of half way evolution to a non-corporeal existence which gives them some defensive powers against non-corporeal beings as well as a special attunement to the flow of time. The El-Aurians might actually have put up quite a fight against the Borg perhaps using some of their powers but the technological advantage of the Borg may have offset that.
Not these hacks... They're just in it for the paycheck I'm pretty sure. I mean simple Alpha Memory searches, or even one line of dialogue could be the difference between a pile of crap and a pile of crap that is passable with the details right. Damn! Nitpicking Nerd is right I think, in that the writers are trolling the legacy fans and purposefully changing the characters into something other than what they used to be. Amazing really.
'So Q is like magic, right?' 'Sure.' 'Great. And Whoopi is like magic, too, right?' 'Yeah.' 'Awesome. And all the technology is magic, too, right?' 'Yeah,it's basically Harry Potter with old people and fewer rules.'
I thought they were a symbol of what humans might become in the far future, when we reach the ranks of noncorporeal beings, and that Guinan's relationship with Q was demonstrating her power to the audience by proxy. But now I know there's near-magical shenanigans with a magic lock to summon a magic Q from a magic bottle... oh but it doesn't work. Was it supposed to? Where are the stakes?
Seriously, the scene was right out of the show Supernatural. It felt almost exactly like it... Actually this would have been better... Imagine Picard, and Guinan meeting a Q like this. ua-cam.com/video/fyfbkfSHn6Q/v-deo.html
I still don't get why a bar in the past would be call 10 Forward when 10 forward was just a lounge on the 10th deck in the forward section. It's stupid.
I mean, address of place and location on the ship are the same thing. What is the name of the bar on Earth? All we know is that its address is 10 forward ave.
Oh my god... 1. They're summoning an omnipotent being by...opening an ornate bottle. Was rubbing it too obvious, even for Shortman? 2. Checking Memory Alpha...that's _Guinan?_ That's _ACTUALLY Guinan?_ Not her daughter or her sister or even her mother...she just completely changed her appearance after the 19th century, but went back before the 23rd. I can think of three or four different ways they could have done a better de-aging job. A couple of them involve miracles of computer science, one of them involves a gag about a botched facelift, and the cheapest one is just setting the episode during Mardi Gras, and having Whoopi ADR her dialogue over a body double wearing a fancy Carnival mask. And THEN you could license out the mask design, and make some extra money!
They're hanging the old nameplate on this shit because they're counting on that to drag us old fans into seats. Then they're shitting all over it because they're fucking spastic retards who don't know how NOT to shit all over it.
Imagine being the stage hand flipping the lights on and off while Patrick Stewart looks around confused gripping the edge of the bar trying not to have a stroke
I agree 1000%. It's just complete and utter nonsense. These clowns should all be fired instead of patting themselves on the back and high-fiving each other in the writer's room. ✋✋It's like junior high level writing honestly... If that even.
Totally - I feel sorry for the actress taking on this trash after Whoopie CLEARLY read this and was like ‘I will do a day, but not this noise!” all this Hogwartzian set shaking is some next level fuggery
@Beth Jim There is truth to it since the race of Guinan are no members of the Federation and the Enterprise is not a private luxury cruiser but a military vessel. She had no business on this ship at all. She basically is an immortal alchemist travelling from planet to planet and manipulating people. She even has a past history with Q explained when they first met. How she ended up on the Enterprise is also a mystery.
I took my troubles down to Madam Guinan You know that El-Aurian with the weirdest hats She's got a bar down on 10 and Forward street Sellin' little bottles of not even Q knows what I told her that I was a Synth without a chick I'd been this way since 2356 She looked at my palm and she made a magic sign She said, "What you need is Q Potion Number 9" She bent down and turned around and gave me a wink She said, "I'm gonna make it up right here in the sink" It smelled like turpentine, it looked like "something Green" I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink I didn't know if it was day or night I suddenly started speaking in tongues alright Everything started shakin' and explodin' in sight But then when I spoke to a cop down on 10 and Forward street He tricked me and arrested my ars...
That cutaway to Whoopi in GHOST was priceless. Perfect juxtaposition to the phone-in performance from whomever is playing Guinan on NuTrek. "I don't understand". 2:31 That's an understatement.
It's cute but it's a smidgen of a disservice to Goldberg. Otoh, it highlights contrast. Oda Mae from Ghost is a spitfire, right there! Whereas WG always made Guinan as cool as a serenity pond in the morning. Woman's got some range!
Holy shit, this is a load of nonsense. So glad I jumped the Picard ship at the end of S1. How modern Trek "writers" have the gall to try and "explain" anything that previous shows set up is beyond me.
Because these narcissists can claim they came up with it. They're so full of themselves. They probably got through their exams by cheating and were proud of it too
Why is it other El-Aurians just seem to be no different to humans except for living much longer. The whole stand off with Q in TNG was because they hadn’t worked out what her character and species could do back then. Now they can change appearance and summon Qs. I bet Doctor Soran wished he had a magical Q bottle.
Writer 1: So what do we know about Guinan and her kind? Writer 2: Well, she's a bartender... Writer 1: Say no more! Now every member of her species is connected to drinking bottles one way or another!
I think you got it mixed up. You mixed clips of Star Trek and Supernatural together. What kind of hack writer would decide that you can summon the Q from a wine decanter
@@logicplague it's yt censorship/algorithm. I think many channels are considered 'problematic' by yt and comments are always in a sort of half censored states, where the algo gets a lot more sensitive and deletes/hides any comment that may include problematic words or topics. On some channels, it's extremely bad, on this one, it's like halfway there, where it's like it flagged the channel as 'sensitive' but not full blown adversarial. Comments are quite likely to just vanish, but it's not to the point where you know that if you use a particular word it's 100% that your comment will be gone, like it is on other channels.
Star Trek the Next Generation: The Q are God-Like beings. Me: Yep Star Trek Picard: The Q are like genies in a bottle. Me: What!? Did you idiots get this idea from watching Aladdin?
Dont worry folks: Season 3 is going to have the old TNG crew back. It was only filmed on the back of S2 so none of the complaints will change anything. People hoping S3 is going to magically fix everything because the old actors are back. Riker ( Jonathan Frakes ) is literally behind the camera on multiple episodes, Patrick Stewart ( Picard ) has control. Result: The "Actors" are literally fucking over their own legacy with the same showrunners / writers - Only thing that will happen in S3 is they will get to completely decimate the entire cast of TNG like they just did for the past two seasons of Picard with everything else they touched.
The showrunner behind Nutrek is either written too much to become terrible, nothing change to improve and rarely in between, it really shows that have rather abandon integrity for pointless drama.
Riker and Troi are in a poly relationship. Riker is bisexual now. LeForge reveals that everyone was always biased against him. Crusher apologizes to Worf for not appreciating the beauty of Klingon culture. Wesley shows up-lol, just kidding, even the bottom of the barrel Picard show won't touch Wheaton with a 10 foot tribble pole.
lol This was like a scene from Supernatural, not Star Trek. So much so that I wonder if some of the people behind the scenes actually worked on Supernatural.
I keep thinking they've hit rock bottom, and then this genie bottle scene which is so stupid and non-sensical and NOT Trek... It's not even SCi-Fi! And it destroys the legacy of Guinan and Q too. This is not Star Trek, and I'm glad I only watch it in these clips. I'm sure they'll sink lower, and I'm angry at what they'll do to the whole cast next year, but this is one of the most stupid scenes ever of anything. Holy cow.
I like it. I have never expected any series to be the same as any others. Then again, I have never believed Star Trek to be a show about a utopian future, but the Federations strive to create one. There will always be pitfalls along the way, and that is what makes good drama. Just enjoy it.
But hold on, Q says the dealings he had with Guinan were two centuries ago, which would be the 22nd century - which would be around Captain Archer's time, yet Guinan in the Picard series speaks of those dealings as being in the past, as in pre 2024?
Guinan, personally, had dealings with Q 200 years 'ago', in the 22nd Century. The El-Aurian people, of which Guinan may not have been born yet, brokered a truce with the Q Continuum. Despite this series being full of plot holes, visual disparities and errors, that isn't necessarily one of them.
@@TheWonderRabbit I Don't get you. Remember Guinan is 100s of years old. She was around at least in the 19th century, which 500 years+ before the events of Q Who in the late 24th century.
@@rontwentyone So Guinan is at least 500 years old then, right? The truce between the El-Aurians and the Q could have occurred 600 years ago, before Guinan was born. Guinan is not the only El-Aurian.
@@TheWonderRabbit I know she's not the only one. But as I say, Q says in a TNG episode set in 2365 that he had dealings with her 200 years prior - so, roughly around the 2160s. A lot of fans are now saying this Picard series has finally revealed what those dealings were, as young Guinan here gives Picard (and us) more details on them. What I'm saying is that these dealings hadn't occured yet as young Guinan is telling Picard this in 2024 and describing these dealings with Q as being in the past. Q said they were in the 2260s ish. The only explanation is that young Guinan is talking about a whole other situation and not the same as the one Q was referring to in TNG.
From what I have seen. It seems it is something only an El-Aurian possesses and only if an El-Aurian WANTS to summon/call a Q. Otherwise the two parties stay out of each other’s way and any encounters is either by chance or circumstances.
Poor Jean-Luc... He looks so pathetic and frail in STP... And it's not even an age thing; it's really how he presents himself, it's like they asked him to play the role of a borderline senile old woman that is scared of everything. I mean, the acting and the character seem so god awful...... Well, same could be said for the majority of STD and STP characters so wachagonnado!
So if an El Aurian can just summon a Q like a genie,then Generations is totally worthless. Soran would have just been able to wish himself into the nexus. Oh wait,I'm once again acting like they watched Star Trek before making this. My mistake.
Reasons why her story doesn't match canon: 1: the el-aurian (Guinan's race) in the movie called Generations didn't have the power to join with the nexus. 2: the el-aurian on an episode of DS9 couldn't get himself out of Odo's prison and had to use a device to alter his luck. 3: had Guinan been as powerful as Q said in that episode of TNG she wouldn't have needed Picard for anything even his strength, she wouldn't have needed to be saved in the cave by Picard, and she wouldn't have been affected by the transporter accident that caused them all to become children for a short time, she also wouldn't have had any trouble knowing all of the facts of the new timeline in the episode where the Enterprise C came to the future briefly causing the timeline to change.
She doesn't seem powerful in Picard. It seems that with how their relationship with the q is, she almost has to throw a tantrum to get one to show up for her.
@@tawhneebaby Pretty much. But somehow we real fans of StarTrek, the real Trek are called the bad guys for pointing out all of the flaws that makes this Drek.
Given how the first two seasons seem to be dwelling on the Soong dynasty in some fashion, I'm calling it now that the reason they all get back together in season 3 is to find a way to bring Data back ... or to welcome Data 2.0. And we'll find out that Adam Soong, in searching desperately for a way to safe his "daughter", comes up with an elixir for eternal life and he is really Arik Soong, Noonien Soong and Altan Soong, thus explaining why all four of them are played by the same actor.
@@TheWonderRabbit I know. But what's the bet they're going to bring him back physically because in NuTrek they probably can't live without him. I mean ... NuTrek seems to be about impulsive characters relishing in their own despair and self pity.
It explains things by raising more questions. It's like the flashback in The Last Jedi, where it explains why Luke is on the island by showing that he nearly murders a boy in his sleep. That just raises more questions.
It didn’t need a fucking explanation. Sometimes things work when they are a mystery and all of us can imagine why a thing is. When someone explains or shows it, it never competes with a person’s imagination.
So... Magic exists in Star Trek? Like straight up magic? It's a bottle that makes the room shake and objects fly around and is used to summon a high evolved and powerful being... It... It's just magic. There's no advanced science about this... It's a magic bottle. I guess older Trek had stupid stuff like this too. Maybe it's the way it's presented, I dunno... It's just dumb. lol
Star Trek: Convenience Anyway, how would a species which doesn't have any godlike powers be at war with a species which has godlike powers and fight them to a truce instead of utter defeat?
@@Idazmi7 Well, maybe they should show some godlike powers then, also if they do show those powers then they might open a can of worms regarding Soren. So I don't think the writers of ST:D are good enough to write it so that it makes sense one way or another. Like the gesture Guinan now used as part of the ritual/seance to summon Q... why would she need to do that when Q is already there?
@@NephritduGrey That's a problem TNG created when they had Guinan raise her hands against Q in the first place - they never followed up on it and just moved on like it never happened. Then the STD _'geniuses'_ came along and made it worse *by* following up on it. Say what you want about TOS, that show covered it's bases more often than not.
El Aurians have the ability to trap space and time, Qs can manipulate space time and matter. Interesting, Guinan really isn’t as she appears to be in which ever form.
Someone needs to tell Alex Kurtzman the difference between SCIENCE fiction and Fantasy genres. Science Fiction is to be written in the boundaries of what is sciencetifically possible in the distant future, using undiscovered science and uninvented technologies. Fantasy is magic and anything goes
So in modern day, Guinan just happen to be the keeper of the one bottle that was used at the truce, and she not only is the one that has the bottle, but she also brought it to earth for no apparent reason. Seems legit.
Yep, and this fragile bottle survived goodness knows how many years journey from the Beta quadrant (Soran was on a transport ship as a refugee from the Borg 28 years after fleeing their homeworld and apparently destined for Earth). Guinan being on Earth earlier than this probably points to a longer original journey. She was on Earth and in San Francisco during the events of Time's Arrow and apparently is still in California in the 21st century so the bottle must have also survived over a century in an earthquake prone region including seemingly the 1906 earthquake. All totally logical and reasonable haha
@@alexmckee4683 I mean what is the probability an alien bottle is made of a stronger material than glass and that being a prized possession someone would take extra care of it (you know you can protect things right ?) Tho I agree it's convenient she have that precise item of this importance while being a refugee wanderer.
@@actouep8643 sure it might be considerably stronger material though generally in good storytelling you avoid the need to specify that i.e. if something is not meant to be fragile it should not look fragile or look to be made of fragile materials. Mysterious black stone objects abound in sci-fi and fantasy because they are a quick shorthand for mysterious and presumably durable, while a glass-like bottle would be presumed fragile unless the scene specifically states otherwise (c.f. the One Ring, specifically stated to be decidedly robust in "The Shadow of the Past"). All that aside, the real risk from long journey and living in relatively dangerous places for long periods of time is not destruction but loss from disaster, theft, expropriation. What's the oldest object your family had in its possession? Most people don't generally have very old items because of these risks. Not a matter of not taking sufficient care, just a matter of probability: the 19th and 20th centuries were particularly tumultuous and most families lost a lot through war, natural disaster. Even in a normal lifespan a person is likely to suffer a disaster a few times such as fire, robbery. Living in dangerous places, like an earthquake region, increases that risk. Running a dangerous business like a bar also increases that risk. Bars burn down a lot more often than other businesses. Disgruntled patrons, fights, theft by burglary or open robbery. If people can lose treasured items on a short train journey between two cities, how much more likely is it too happen on a multi-decade migration across the galaxy? Starfleet ships with much manpower get taken over by hostiles several times in this "franchise" but a small transport ship travelling through a significant fraction of the galaxy doesn't get boarded once? In the real world migrants get robbed of all valuables while journeying from modern day conflict zones to Europe, with much of the robbery sadly occuring even as they reach supposedly safe countries. It's just utterly ridiculous for Guinan to (a) have the treaty bottle in the first place, (b) for it to have realistically been safely brought so far in both time and space. It's another example of the wishy-washy magical thinking that abounds in modern Trek. The slightly sad thing is that with a bit of thoughtfulness they might have worked in a message about the real plight of migrants if for instance they had suggested that the bottle was not the only one but one of several such bottles (still of great significance to the El Aurian people) and that it had been stolen by a corrupt cop or liquor licensing agent or something like this, resulting in a mini-quest for Picard to get the bottle back. But of course I am drawing on my own experience, and that of my family who were once migrants, and putting it into context of the canon of Star Trek. Personally I find small storytelling moments much more effective and relatable than frenetic action pieces or cheap genre TV tropes like the pseudo-horror style (attempted) conjuring of the Q as shown in this clip.
Why would she have such an important item at all? That should be under lock and key on the homeworld, since it had not yet been distroyed by the Borg. I wonder if she is a Royal of the planet. Her father or she herself participated in the truce. That would be the only reason she would have access to a bottle that important. It wouldn't be a trusted to any citizen, much less one prone to wandering the universe.
Considering that Guinan's specie managed to force the Q continuum to make a treaty with them after a war just shows how powerful she and her people can be
My god, just look at the cinematographic differences. TNG generates this wonderful tension with the still, solid frame and slow and deliberate camera movements. The viewer can soak in the tension purely by how things are said, seeing Q react in such an unusual way even for him. Picard has zero clue about subtle actions and decides that this is now a tense scene, you must feel tense, SHAKE THE CAMERA ALL OVER HTE PLACE!!11!! It's childish, at this point.
I was thinking, if this trainwreck of a show insinuates that el aurians can "decide" their age, then why didn't she age back up during that TNG episode where the transported deaged her?
I don’t watch Picard and have no idea about who that character is other than an obvious member of Guinan’s family. It explained NOTHING. Just luring viewers In to see your imposing scenes from the movie Ghost for which she won her only Oscar for best supporting actress
@@nagillim7915 That doesn't make sense though. Q are almost omnipotent...you don't have a war with them cold or hot as that would mean utter defeat. Unless the El Aurians are also magical...but that would be odd...why didn't Guinan in TNG ever use her "magical powers" then? There were countless opportunities when the Enterprise was under duress.
I think Guinan needs to go with her fork to the Star Trek Picard writers studio and test to see if whoever wrote these episodes is a human. I have serious doubts.
There is another plot hole one might consider. if Guinans species are from the delta quadrant, how did Guinan manage to get to earth by herself andhas lived their for centuries AND....if Guinan has been on Earth since at least the times of the wild west, how was it she was on thetransport ship fleeing the borg from her home planet? How can you have a cold warwith a species that can beat you instantly by clicking their fingers, and why would Guinan of all people have the bottle the peace was signed over?
Why would there be a cold war between a race of omnipotent beings and a race of listeners? What would this truce even be for? This show can't be serious.
That never needed to be explained, a little bit of mystery is a good thing, especially when it comes to cosmic entities. I'm glad I stopped watching this shit a couple of years back.
It's funny how Guinan looks younger & didn't recognize Picard in the Star Trek Picard series when she met him and looked much older in the TNG series in the late 19th century when she was with Mark Twain
Was thinking the same thing, especially since in the Mark Twain episode she strongly hinted about that being the first time she met Picard, though Picard himself wouldn't meet her for the first time until later.
review of the latest episode: ua-cam.com/video/vyUMAXrE964/v-deo.html
I come here now for my Star Trek fix, much more enjoyable to watch :)
Picard reminds me of My Immortal now
@@loopylad4722 - then I’m pleading with you to watch The Orville, it is the spiritual successor to ‘modern’ Star Trek we deserved from paramount / cbs!
Hey Major - keep up your work! At least something good can come from this trash… I guess they are giving you decades of revenue from UA-cam with the drivel that Kirtsman barfs out!
It's funny how Guinan looks younger & didn't recognize Picard in the Star Trek Picard series when she met him and looked much older in the TNG series in the late 19th century when she was with Mark Twain
Joke is if Picard asked Q to appear. Q probably would.
It's the current year, Q has no more interest in the demographics of JLP. Today, it's all about black space Jesus, so he's probably watching her 24/24, amazed at her amazing amazingness.
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Amazing.
Q doesn't have his powers anymore
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Cocaine is a helluva drug.
@@augustjsb - the fact that none of the Q showed up may indicate that Q is the last of them. And he was running on Continuum fumes in episode 2.
Doing that inside her own business full of bottles and glasses wasn't very smart.
Well, she was going to close up and leave, remember? She even gave her dog away.
Why would you expect "smart" on Picard?
It was done for dramatic effect.
@@brianbatie6650 Apparently, she was trying to finish off the stock before she left so she would've needed the glasses to keep bangin' back those shots like the badass the writers so desperately want her to be.
@@2bituser569 Worked for me...
At this point, I think it would be best to just leave the whole Q/Guinan rivalry a mystery. It's already really strained by the fact that the Borg destroyed the El-Aurian homeworld, while Q could probably wipe out the whole collective with the snap of his fingers if he wanted. Plus, what we've seen already of other El-Aurians, they're basically just normal (if long-lived) people.
If I had to write a story that explained it, it would probably be along the lines of Guinan herself being personally given Q powers or something, like Riker was in that one episode. Then plot ensues.
Paradox time.
Had Q eliminated the Borg, we likely wouldn't have had Guinan as a character on the ship in the first place, to even wonder about the relationship.
I admit, the TNG scene where Guinan was apparently prepared to defend herself against Q raised questions for me that should have been answered, and would have made for interesting story arcs.
If Guinan was powerful enough to defend herself against Q, should she not have been powerful enough to deal with the Borg without Q's help?
If she was given Q abilities, a-la Riker, why would she not have simply remade her planet?
Everyone says the Q can snap the Borg out of existence and yet the only canonical information we have is Q telling Q Jr not to mess with the Borg.
As for the El Aurians, we have no idea how long they resisted the Borg. Given an armada of cubes swarmed through their home system, though, it would appear their resistance quotient was far higher than humanity's: the Borg have never sent more than 1 cube to assimilate Earth (beta canon aside).
You can just invent a million different explanations. For example: the El-Aurian's have a relationship with time/reality and are shown to be resistant to time rewrites, so they can't be manipulated by the Q and can see through their machinations. This alone would make them adversaries. That, however, doesn't make them gods, they can still be shot or have their planet blown up by non-temporal technologies. It's easy to imagine many lore options where a being is exceedingly strong at 1 thing without it making them a Mary Sue character.
@@chrisanderson7820 Indeed that is a storyline worth considering, but it still begs the question posed by their first TNG encounter, what was Guinan's pose going to do against a Q? If Guinan knew there would be nothing she could do, then why the "tiger claw" pose? Also, Q usually just snaps a finger, but here he chose, or had to, extend his arm, suggesting it would take more power than is usual for a Q.
Indeed, since Q is not necessarily one to actually ask Picard's permission to do something, is it possible that Q was actually trying to "disappear" Guinan, who was able to block it?
Q's line "This creature is not what she seems, she is an Imp." begs the question, "Ok, then what is she?" Define Imp."
Questions like these would have been better answered in the TNG run, and is a major plot device left unexplored and unexplained, so I do enjoy at least the attempt to fill in the gaps. The earthquake was interesting, suggesting a connection and ability of Guinan's never before even hinted at during TNG.
There are possible explanations like
El-Aurians are on a kind of half way evolution to a non-corporeal existence which gives them some defensive powers against non-corporeal beings as well as a special attunement to the flow of time. The El-Aurians might actually have put up quite a fight against the Borg perhaps using some of their powers but the technological advantage of the Borg may have offset that.
The more I see the more I wonder if modern Trek writers understand the difference between scifi and fantasy.
They don't
nope
Exactly.
Not these hacks... They're just in it for the paycheck I'm pretty sure. I mean simple Alpha Memory searches, or even one line of dialogue could be the difference between a pile of crap and a pile of crap that is passable with the details right. Damn! Nitpicking Nerd is right I think, in that the writers are trolling the legacy fans and purposefully changing the characters into something other than what they used to be. Amazing really.
'So Q is like magic, right?'
'Sure.'
'Great. And Whoopi is like magic, too, right?'
'Yeah.'
'Awesome. And all the technology is magic, too, right?'
'Yeah,it's basically Harry Potter with old people and fewer rules.'
Seriously, the Q are supposed to be beings akin to gods, they aren't genies to be summoned from a bottle.
So you thought.
I thought they were a symbol of what humans might become in the far future, when we reach the ranks of noncorporeal beings, and that Guinan's relationship with Q was demonstrating her power to the audience by proxy. But now I know there's near-magical shenanigans with a magic lock to summon a magic Q from a magic bottle... oh but it doesn't work. Was it supposed to? Where are the stakes?
But then again, that could be where the legend came from...
Apparently they ARE genies summoned from bottles, or at least the NuTrek variants.
Seriously, the scene was right out of the show Supernatural. It felt almost exactly like it... Actually this would have been better... Imagine Picard, and Guinan meeting a Q like this. ua-cam.com/video/fyfbkfSHn6Q/v-deo.html
I still don't get why a bar in the past would be call 10 Forward when 10 forward was just a lounge on the 10th deck in the forward section. It's stupid.
i don't even think that's the name of the bar. but the address of the bar in question is 10 Forward st
@@DemonEyes622 IE deus ex machina...
I mean, address of place and location on the ship are the same thing. What is the name of the bar on Earth? All we know is that its address is 10 forward ave.
memberberries!
Are you joking? Is it really the address of the bar? Oh my god that is the stupidest thing I've heard about Picard, and that's saying something.
Picard is close to usurping Discovery as the dumbest show ever created.
After the dream episode, that wasn’t enough ?
No, it's eclipsed STD.
They're both products of the same illegitimate regime.
Sad and tough, like a mother's love. But true anyway.
Done since S1 e1. Even outclasses Batwoman in pure crapiness.
Oh my god...
1. They're summoning an omnipotent being by...opening an ornate bottle. Was rubbing it too obvious, even for Shortman?
2. Checking Memory Alpha...that's _Guinan?_ That's _ACTUALLY Guinan?_ Not her daughter or her sister or even her mother...she just completely changed her appearance after the 19th century, but went back before the 23rd.
I can think of three or four different ways they could have done a better de-aging job. A couple of them involve miracles of computer science, one of them involves a gag about a botched facelift, and the cheapest one is just setting the episode during Mardi Gras, and having Whoopi ADR her dialogue over a body double wearing a fancy Carnival mask. And THEN you could license out the mask design, and make some extra money!
They're hanging the old nameplate on this shit because they're counting on that to drag us old fans into seats. Then they're shitting all over it because they're fucking spastic retards who don't know how NOT to shit all over it.
The last one is the best but I can accept a different actress if she is at least trying to be Guinan.
Guinan really enjoys the black woman body, so much that she chooses a different black woman body with woker hairstyle each time.
Butthurt Trekkies crave nostalgia and blame their ignorance of art on tv producers
Seriously, haven't you been watching the show? The timeline changed so Picard never meets her in the 1800 century
Stupidest scene in all of Star Trek. I'd rather watch an entire series about the Captain Janeway X Tom Parris Warp 10 salamanders
Yeah that bottle summoning scene was idiotic.
Imagine being the stage hand flipping the lights on and off while Patrick Stewart looks around confused gripping the edge of the bar trying not to have a stroke
I agree 1000%. It's just complete and utter nonsense. These clowns should all be fired instead of patting themselves on the back and high-fiving each other in the writer's room. ✋✋It's like junior high level writing honestly... If that even.
@@Dweller415 - Compared to all Dilithium in the Galaxy exploding because of a scream just like that one… this is f**king Shakespearean in comparison!
Totally - I feel sorry for the actress taking on this trash after Whoopie CLEARLY read this and was like ‘I will do a day, but not this noise!”
all this Hogwartzian set shaking is some next level fuggery
I love how she literally trying to "Reeee" Q into this realm.
And thus, this scifi franchise just turned into another YA fantasy fanfiction.
Thx to JJ. Always have to make spectacular looking scenes but lack in story and substance.
Ha! 😆That's a meme just _begging_ to happen. Somebody cut this scene in with that guy on his knees screaming 'NOOOOOO!' after the 2016 election.
That's an insult to YA fantasy fics. I read plenty of those miles better written than what Cucksman churns out
@Beth Jim There is truth to it since the race of Guinan are no members of the Federation and the Enterprise is not a private luxury cruiser but a military vessel. She had no business on this ship at all. She basically is an immortal alchemist travelling from planet to planet and manipulating people. She even has a past history with Q explained when they first met. How she ended up on the Enterprise is also a mystery.
Remember when that energy being on Futurama made the original Star Trek cast read his fanfiction? I think he was a better Star Trek writer. lol.
Make it out to Melllvar. Melllvar has three Ls.
@@AshPrimeDCFC"I think I've done enough conventions to know how to spell "Melllvar".
Welshie!!!!!!!
Welshie!!!!!!
All I hear is Rich Evan's ghost laughter.
This show is Aiiiiiiiiiiddddddssss
ABSOLUTE DRIVEL!!! stop it Kurtzman... it's already DEAD
Sheer. Fucking. Hubris.
I took my troubles down to Madam Guinan
You know that El-Aurian with the weirdest hats
She's got a bar down on 10 and Forward street
Sellin' little bottles of not even Q knows what
I told her that I was a Synth without a chick
I'd been this way since 2356
She looked at my palm and she made a magic sign
She said, "What you need is Q Potion Number 9"
She bent down and turned around and gave me a wink
She said, "I'm gonna make it up right here in the sink"
It smelled like turpentine, it looked like "something Green"
I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink
I didn't know if it was day or night
I suddenly started speaking in tongues alright
Everything started shakin' and explodin' in sight
But then when I spoke to a cop down on 10 and Forward street
He tricked me and arrested my ars...
Brilliant. Love it.
bravo 👏, this is great
Is Guinan still giving spicy takes on the Bajoran occupation?
It’s not racist ,only when Zelensky is president.
You say occupation, I say Cardassian manifest destiny.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil wow another obvious romulan spam-ai account trying to polarize cardassian federation relations
I'm just waiting for the most evil Q of all, called Teee-Rump to show up and engage in fascism against this stunning woman of color.
Are you guys aware of the Romulan Question?
Patrick Stewart really nails the "confused old man" act....
“Act”
@@jlmiller77 🤣
My grandmother could write better than this and she's been dead for 25 years.
dead for 25 years..is her name "Star Trek?"
That cutaway to Whoopi in GHOST was priceless. Perfect juxtaposition to the phone-in performance from whomever is playing Guinan on NuTrek.
"I don't understand". 2:31 That's an understatement.
It's cute but it's a smidgen of a disservice to Goldberg. Otoh, it highlights contrast.
Oda Mae from Ghost is a spitfire, right there! Whereas WG always made Guinan as cool as a serenity pond in the morning.
Woman's got some range!
Holy shit, this is a load of nonsense. So glad I jumped the Picard ship at the end of S1.
How modern Trek "writers" have the gall to try and "explain" anything that previous shows set up is beyond me.
They need everything dumbed down because they lack imagination.
It never needed an explanation.
Because these narcissists can claim they came up with it. They're so full of themselves. They probably got through their exams by cheating and were proud of it too
Oh but everyone was SO excited when season 2 started :D said it would be better this time, remember? ...
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Why is it other El-Aurians just seem to be no different to humans except for living much longer. The whole stand off with Q in TNG was because they hadn’t worked out what her character and species could do back then. Now they can change appearance and summon Qs. I bet Doctor Soran wished he had a magical Q bottle.
Writer 1: So what do we know about Guinan and her kind?
Writer 2: Well, she's a bartender...
Writer 1: Say no more! Now every member of her species is connected to drinking bottles one way or another!
Magic bottles. Oh joy...
So now Q is just a jinn?
@@kathleenhensley5951 I am asking the same question.⁉️
I think you got it mixed up. You mixed clips of Star Trek and Supernatural together. What kind of hack writer would decide that you can summon the Q from a wine decanter
Yep, it's like they're laughing at the fans at this point.
Everybody knows the Q show up when they're not wanted.
says 2 replies, but I only see one
@@logicplague it's yt censorship/algorithm. I think many channels are considered 'problematic' by yt and comments are always in a sort of half censored states, where the algo gets a lot more sensitive and deletes/hides any comment that may include problematic words or topics.
On some channels, it's extremely bad, on this one, it's like halfway there, where it's like it flagged the channel as 'sensitive' but not full blown adversarial. Comments are quite likely to just vanish, but it's not to the point where you know that if you use a particular word it's 100% that your comment will be gone, like it is on other channels.
@@literalghost929 What Fans? True ST Fans dont see STD or PIC
Patrick Stewart looks so confused.
He's a proxy for the audience.
@@RichterPhallos And a proxy for the 'writers'.
Star Trek the Next Generation: The Q are God-Like beings.
Me: Yep
Star Trek Picard: The Q are like genies in a bottle.
Me: What!? Did you idiots get this idea from watching Aladdin?
Maybe Nutrek writers got slapped by will smith
🎶 I'm a Q & If you wanna see me,
Picard, there's a price to pay.
I'm a Genie in a bottle.
You gotta rub me the right way 🎶 🤣
Is she gonna give Picard a jar of dirt to keep him safe?
You have to get it from Jack Sparrow. 😂
So... We gone from "Heat" ... to "Dungeons & Dragons"... to "The Conjuring." What. Is. This. Season?
Dont worry folks: Season 3 is going to have the old TNG crew back. It was only filmed on the back of S2 so none of the complaints will change anything. People hoping S3 is going to magically fix everything because the old actors are back. Riker ( Jonathan Frakes ) is literally behind the camera on multiple episodes, Patrick Stewart ( Picard ) has control.
Result: The "Actors" are literally fucking over their own legacy with the same showrunners / writers - Only thing that will happen in S3 is they will get to completely decimate the entire cast of TNG like they just did for the past two seasons of Picard with everything else they touched.
they seem to play themselves rather then the characters
The showrunner behind Nutrek is either written too much to become terrible, nothing change to improve and rarely in between, it really shows that have rather abandon integrity for pointless drama.
At least Denise Crosby will keep her dignity. And she starred in softcore.
cAnT wAiT
(i am actually looking forward to the cringe fest and to watch how dramatically the butcher them tbh)
Riker and Troi are in a poly relationship.
Riker is bisexual now.
LeForge reveals that everyone was always biased against him.
Crusher apologizes to Worf for not appreciating the beauty of Klingon culture.
Wesley shows up-lol, just kidding, even the bottom of the barrel Picard show won't touch Wheaton with a 10 foot tribble pole.
I think i'm done with this, even hearing about what's happening in this show is exhausting
Degrading.
Oh man that looked terrible. It was more like Harry Potter that Star Trek.
not even. more like the show supernatural
That's offensive to Harry Potter! It may be fantasy but it is internally consistent, unlike NuTrek dreck.
Akiva Goldsman: Star Trek? …..never heard of it
lol This was like a scene from Supernatural, not Star Trek. So much so that I wonder if some of the people behind the scenes actually worked on Supernatural.
Patrick Stewart is dead to me, the character of Picard isn't his to vandalize.
The think is he never got star trek and obviously he still hasn't
if Guinan stabbed Droid Picard's hand, would he feel pain?
@@takerdust Apparently robots go into weird not-coma comas about childhood trauma if... *checks notes* ...they get hit by a car. So who fucking knows.
Interesting, you can summon the Q by drinking Ayahuasca.
"Look how we can waste the last chance to see these amazing characters and you can't stop us."
Just looks like a normal scene from The View to me.
This is supposed to be Star Trek not a horror movie. Where witches are summoning demons and stuff what are these writers doing.
I keep thinking they've hit rock bottom, and then this genie bottle scene which is so stupid and non-sensical and NOT Trek... It's not even SCi-Fi! And it destroys the legacy of Guinan and Q too. This is not Star Trek, and I'm glad I only watch it in these clips. I'm sure they'll sink lower, and I'm angry at what they'll do to the whole cast next year, but this is one of the most stupid scenes ever of anything. Holy cow.
I like it. I have never expected any series to be the same as any others. Then again, I have never believed Star Trek to be a show about a utopian future, but the Federations strive to create one. There will always be pitfalls along the way, and that is what makes good drama. Just enjoy it.
But hold on, Q says the dealings he had with Guinan were two centuries ago, which would be the 22nd century - which would be around Captain Archer's time, yet Guinan in the Picard series speaks of those dealings as being in the past, as in pre 2024?
Guinan, personally, had dealings with Q 200 years 'ago', in the 22nd Century. The El-Aurian people, of which Guinan may not have been born yet, brokered a truce with the Q Continuum. Despite this series being full of plot holes, visual disparities and errors, that isn't necessarily one of them.
@@TheWonderRabbit I Don't get you. Remember Guinan is 100s of years old. She was around at least in the 19th century, which 500 years+ before the events of Q Who in the late 24th century.
@@rontwentyone So Guinan is at least 500 years old then, right?
The truce between the El-Aurians and the Q could have occurred 600 years ago, before Guinan was born.
Guinan is not the only El-Aurian.
@@TheWonderRabbit I know she's not the only one. But as I say, Q says in a TNG episode set in 2365 that he had dealings with her 200 years prior - so, roughly around the 2160s. A lot of fans are now saying this Picard series has finally revealed what those dealings were, as young Guinan here gives Picard (and us) more details on them. What I'm saying is that these dealings hadn't occured yet as young Guinan is telling Picard this in 2024 and describing these dealings with Q as being in the past. Q said they were in the 2260s ish. The only explanation is that young Guinan is talking about a whole other situation and not the same as the one Q was referring to in TNG.
@@TheWonderRabbit Just found out today's episode of Picard explains it.
wait, so the omniscient Q can be summoned by some sort of witch ritual? I miss when star trek was science fiction and and not space fantasy.
From what I have seen. It seems it is something only an El-Aurian possesses and only if an El-Aurian WANTS to summon/call a Q. Otherwise the two parties stay out of each other’s way and any encounters is either by chance or circumstances.
Poor Jean-Luc... He looks so pathetic and frail in STP... And it's not even an age thing; it's really how he presents himself, it's like they asked him to play the role of a borderline senile old woman that is scared of everything. I mean, the acting and the character seem so god awful...... Well, same could be said for the majority of STD and STP characters so wachagonnado!
He lost his commanding voice
Indeed, they're not playing to his strengths; also showing Jeri Ryan in unflattering lights.
Even short segments like this are painful to watch of Klutzman Drek 😒
So if an El Aurian can just summon a Q like a genie,then Generations is totally worthless. Soran would have just been able to wish himself into the nexus. Oh wait,I'm once again acting like they watched Star Trek before making this. My mistake.
You're assuming a Q would grant their wish and not just snap them out of existence for summoning them
What the fuck? 🤣
Reasons why her story doesn't match canon:
1: the el-aurian (Guinan's race) in the movie called Generations didn't have the power to join with the nexus.
2: the el-aurian on an episode of DS9 couldn't get himself out of Odo's prison and had to use a device to alter his luck.
3: had Guinan been as powerful as Q said in that episode of TNG she wouldn't have needed Picard for anything even his strength, she wouldn't have needed to be saved in the cave by Picard, and she wouldn't have been affected by the transporter accident that caused them all to become children for a short time, she also wouldn't have had any trouble knowing all of the facts of the new timeline in the episode where the Enterprise C came to the future briefly causing the timeline to change.
She doesn't seem powerful in Picard. It seems that with how their relationship with the q is, she almost has to throw a tantrum to get one to show up for her.
You're thinking is linear. Not impressed.
@@Jim-pq9pm Linear is how timelines work. Talk about not being impressive. sheesh...at least work within the canon.
@@tawhneebaby Pretty much. But somehow we real fans of StarTrek, the real Trek are called the bad guys for pointing out all of the flaws that makes this Drek.
@@the1tigglet Except the Borg Queen, but that's an excuse to bring her back even when she 'dies'.
Q is now a Djin from the Witcher who grants wishes in exchange for his freedom.
TNG: in the 90’s just watching to pass the time.
Picard & Discovery: shut up I’m watching something over here!
No, that really didn't clarify anything. Thanks anyway.
I like the subtle TNG-style campness of them getting ready to cast Magic Missile as soon as their eyes meet
Given how the first two seasons seem to be dwelling on the Soong dynasty in some fashion, I'm calling it now that the reason they all get back together in season 3 is to find a way to bring Data back ... or to welcome Data 2.0. And we'll find out that Adam Soong, in searching desperately for a way to safe his "daughter", comes up with an elixir for eternal life and he is really Arik Soong, Noonien Soong and Altan Soong, thus explaining why all four of them are played by the same actor.
Haha. Gold.
Oh God... .
I would think all "perfected" genetic clones
They did bring Data back, at the end of season 1. He was living in a simulation and asked Picard to kill him.
@@TheWonderRabbit I know. But what's the bet they're going to bring him back physically because in NuTrek they probably can't live without him. I mean ... NuTrek seems to be about impulsive characters relishing in their own despair and self pity.
Is it me, or did that still not explain anything?
It explains things by raising more questions. It's like the flashback in The Last Jedi, where it explains why Luke is on the island by showing that he nearly murders a boy in his sleep. That just raises more questions.
star trek harry potter
It didn’t need a fucking explanation. Sometimes things work when they are a mystery and all of us can imagine why a thing is. When someone explains or shows it, it never competes with a person’s imagination.
Great, so it turns out Q's are genies trapped in bottles? Go figure...
So... Magic exists in Star Trek? Like straight up magic?
It's a bottle that makes the room shake and objects fly around and is used to summon a high evolved and powerful being... It... It's just magic.
There's no advanced science about this... It's a magic bottle.
I guess older Trek had stupid stuff like this too. Maybe it's the way it's presented, I dunno... It's just dumb. lol
Aren't the Q basically magic?
They just snap their fingers and stuff happens
Is this really Picard? My God what is this? Shameful.
Damn, baby, what'd you do to your hair?
It's Autumn Sunrise!
"I'd Give Anything For A Drag..." out comes half the cast of STD.
"I'm 'enry the Eighth, I am!"
Star Trek: Convenience
Anyway, how would a species which doesn't have any godlike powers be at war with a species which has godlike powers and fight them to a truce instead of utter defeat?
Not to defend STD, but the implication is that El Aurians *DO* have some godlike abilities.
@@Idazmi7 Well, maybe they should show some godlike powers then, also if they do show those powers then they might open a can of worms regarding Soren. So I don't think the writers of ST:D are good enough to write it so that it makes sense one way or another. Like the gesture Guinan now used as part of the ritual/seance to summon Q... why would she need to do that when Q is already there?
Another thing; they fought the Q to a standstill but got their asses turned inside out by the Borg? Hmm.
@@NephritduGrey
That's a problem TNG created when they had Guinan raise her hands against Q in the first place - they never followed up on it and just moved on like it never happened. Then the STD _'geniuses'_ came along and made it worse *by* following up on it. Say what you want about TOS, that show covered it's bases more often than not.
"Orticia? Is that you? Damn, baby, what did you do to your hair?" This show is a pure fucking shit, but Ghost is still a classic.
El Aurians have the ability to trap space and time, Qs can manipulate space time and matter.
Interesting, Guinan really isn’t as she appears to be in which ever form.
magic bottles are dope
Someone needs to tell Alex Kurtzman the difference between SCIENCE fiction and Fantasy genres.
Science Fiction is to be written in the boundaries of what is sciencetifically possible in the distant future, using undiscovered science and uninvented technologies.
Fantasy is magic and anything goes
So...the Q are actually genies then.
So in modern day, Guinan just happen to be the keeper of the one bottle that was used at the truce, and she not only is the one that has the bottle, but she also brought it to earth for no apparent reason. Seems legit.
Yep, and this fragile bottle survived goodness knows how many years journey from the Beta quadrant (Soran was on a transport ship as a refugee from the Borg 28 years after fleeing their homeworld and apparently destined for Earth). Guinan being on Earth earlier than this probably points to a longer original journey. She was on Earth and in San Francisco during the events of Time's Arrow and apparently is still in California in the 21st century so the bottle must have also survived over a century in an earthquake prone region including seemingly the 1906 earthquake. All totally logical and reasonable haha
@@alexmckee4683 I mean what is the probability an alien bottle is made of a stronger material than glass and that being a prized possession someone would take extra care of it (you know you can protect things right ?)
Tho I agree it's convenient she have that precise item of this importance while being a refugee wanderer.
@@actouep8643 sure it might be considerably stronger material though generally in good storytelling you avoid the need to specify that i.e. if something is not meant to be fragile it should not look fragile or look to be made of fragile materials. Mysterious black stone objects abound in sci-fi and fantasy because they are a quick shorthand for mysterious and presumably durable, while a glass-like bottle would be presumed fragile unless the scene specifically states otherwise (c.f. the One Ring, specifically stated to be decidedly robust in "The Shadow of the Past").
All that aside, the real risk from long journey and living in relatively dangerous places for long periods of time is not destruction but loss from disaster, theft, expropriation. What's the oldest object your family had in its possession? Most people don't generally have very old items because of these risks. Not a matter of not taking sufficient care, just a matter of probability: the 19th and 20th centuries were particularly tumultuous and most families lost a lot through war, natural disaster. Even in a normal lifespan a person is likely to suffer a disaster a few times such as fire, robbery. Living in dangerous places, like an earthquake region, increases that risk. Running a dangerous business like a bar also increases that risk. Bars burn down a lot more often than other businesses. Disgruntled patrons, fights, theft by burglary or open robbery.
If people can lose treasured items on a short train journey between two cities, how much more likely is it too happen on a multi-decade migration across the galaxy? Starfleet ships with much manpower get taken over by hostiles several times in this "franchise" but a small transport ship travelling through a significant fraction of the galaxy doesn't get boarded once? In the real world migrants get robbed of all valuables while journeying from modern day conflict zones to Europe, with much of the robbery sadly occuring even as they reach supposedly safe countries. It's just utterly ridiculous for Guinan to (a) have the treaty bottle in the first place, (b) for it to have realistically been safely brought so far in both time and space. It's another example of the wishy-washy magical thinking that abounds in modern Trek.
The slightly sad thing is that with a bit of thoughtfulness they might have worked in a message about the real plight of migrants if for instance they had suggested that the bottle was not the only one but one of several such bottles (still of great significance to the El Aurian people) and that it had been stolen by a corrupt cop or liquor licensing agent or something like this, resulting in a mini-quest for Picard to get the bottle back.
But of course I am drawing on my own experience, and that of my family who were once migrants, and putting it into context of the canon of Star Trek. Personally I find small storytelling moments much more effective and relatable than frenetic action pieces or cheap genre TV tropes like the pseudo-horror style (attempted) conjuring of the Q as shown in this clip.
Why would she have such an important item at all? That should be under lock and key on the homeworld, since it had not yet been distroyed by the Borg. I wonder if she is a Royal of the planet. Her father or she herself participated in the truce. That would be the only reason she would have access to a bottle that important. It wouldn't be a trusted to any citizen, much less one prone to wandering the universe.
I'll give the actress props - she pulls off a great Guinan double! Great casting!
Considering that Guinan's specie managed to force the Q continuum to make a treaty with them after a war just shows how powerful she and her people can be
More woke bs that attempts to gender balance the series, that's why this series has mostly failed
Hollywood 2014 "let's give everything ever written and unexplained a back story!
Even the Xenomorph in Alien has an origins story now
You could make a lot of fans happy by adding one letter to STP.
It's not "Q", though. It's "O".
My god, just look at the cinematographic differences.
TNG generates this wonderful tension with the still, solid frame and slow and deliberate camera movements. The viewer can soak in the tension purely by how things are said, seeing Q react in such an unusual way even for him.
Picard has zero clue about subtle actions and decides that this is now a tense scene, you must feel tense, SHAKE THE CAMERA ALL OVER HTE PLACE!!11!!
It's childish, at this point.
Simple minded writers. Summoning a Q, like a djinn...looks like they think Guinan is a witch.
I love it when she took that fork, and just jammed it into poor Q mortals hand.
I was thinking, if this trainwreck of a show insinuates that el aurians can "decide" their age, then why didn't she age back up during that TNG episode where the transported deaged her?
So, Guinan is actually a Screamer?
I don’t watch Picard and have no idea about who that character is other than an obvious member of Guinan’s family. It explained NOTHING. Just luring viewers In to see your imposing scenes from the movie Ghost for which she won her only Oscar for best supporting actress
Does this mean Guinan used to be a Q but was thrown out? That would explain the original scene on the Enterprise.
Nah, it's a magic bottle.
Q's secretly genies posing as aliens CONFIRMED (sheesh this series is effing stoopid)...
No. She said what it meant. The El Aurians had a cold war with the Q.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled season one was better than this nonsense for sure. This entire episode (7) was pointless.
@@nagillim7915 That doesn't make sense though. Q are almost omnipotent...you don't have a war with them cold or hot as that would mean utter defeat. Unless the El Aurians are also magical...but that would be odd...why didn't Guinan in TNG ever use her "magical powers" then? There were countless opportunities when the Enterprise was under duress.
And if you didn't already think the show was trash, this scene definitely sold it
Exhibit #42003 that the showrunners mis-overheard a drunken recollection from a Star Trek fan in a bar one time and just filled in the gaps.
So the real question is did she summon a Q to start the TNG series.
Nah, the TNG writers were less... hokey with their stories. Except The Traveller, that was some hokey hippy nonsense.
The young Giunan is a sad example of bad actor placment
I think Guinan needs to go with her fork to the Star Trek Picard writers studio and test to see if whoever wrote these episodes is a human. I have serious doubts.
Is that only bottle, or every Walmart has a special line of "Q" Bottles?
There is another plot hole one might consider. if Guinans species are from the delta quadrant, how did Guinan manage to get to earth by herself andhas lived their for centuries AND....if Guinan has been on Earth since at least the times of the wild west, how was it she was on thetransport ship fleeing the borg from her home planet? How can you have a cold warwith a species that can beat you instantly by clicking their fingers, and why would Guinan of all people have the bottle the peace was signed over?
Guinan holding her hands like that is hilarious to me.
Yeeeeeah I think at this point ANY remaining chance of Picard being canon was shite on.
I like to think the Listeners have similar powers as the Q, but chose to use their power for good. To watch, learn and guide rather than intimidate.
Why would there be a cold war between a race of omnipotent beings and a race of listeners? What would this truce even be for? This show can't be serious.
And this is why I don't drink kanar.
Her lipstick looks like she just got done drinking Danny Devito's blood from Batman Returns.
LOL...
"Picard looks real confused,
Guinan's young again,
Q's a genie in a bottle,
STP rubs me the wrong way"
Wait, I still don't get it. There were too many uncomfortable closeups for me to concentrate.
That was intense when she said all this borrow from ghost.
That never needed to be explained, a little bit of mystery is a good thing, especially when it comes to cosmic entities. I'm glad I stopped watching this shit a couple of years back.
Sooo, open a magic bottle and you get a Q? Qs are genies?
Moronic on so many levels that I don't even know how to respond. I refuse to believe this 'show' was written by sentient beings.
This is like a CW supernatural/ superhero show 😆
It's funny how Guinan looks younger & didn't recognize Picard in the Star Trek Picard series when she met him and looked much older in the TNG series in the late 19th century when she was with Mark Twain
Was thinking the same thing, especially since in the Mark Twain episode she strongly hinted about that being the first time she met Picard, though Picard himself wouldn't meet her for the first time until later.
They literally writing Star Wars in a Star Trek
What I want explained is how a race powerful enough to stand up to Q was assimilated by the Borg.
What q did prolly destroyed the Continuum, like in the voyager episodes. That's why he doesn't have powers