I hold my GM 1 with my left hand and use my right to operate it. (same as a big camera) Never had any problems with handling it. And with the 12 - 32 and the 35 - 100 it's a perfect combo to carry around without a camera bag.
My all-time favorite camera/lens combo was the GF1 and Lumix 20mm. Small, lightweight and somewhat pocketable. Today, the GR3x is my preferred discrete and high quality camera to take everywhere.
When you mentioned Robin, I was thinking "Robin Wong maybe?" And then he shows up. I've been watching some of his videos, and now I'm watching your channel. Great fun. :) With regards to the size, I have a Sony RX100 V, which is about the same size, and it has a very similar button layout on the back. But I have a JJC grip for it, which makes the camera a bit wider as well. I think that that helps enough, so that the grip is just a lot better. At least I don't have any tendency to touch the screen.
Remember when I bought the Panasonic GM1, I got it with the Pana/Leica 15/1.7 for just about $ 500. A bargain. Later I bought a nearly unused GM5, the hidden collectors camera. They go nowadays for about $ 600 on eBay, because there are so few of them. I like to use the GM1 for portraits. Then I use the Pana/Leica 45/2.8, because it's stabilized. Then I have it in my palm and follow the subjekt with my eyes and wait for det moment. The perfect combination for portraits shot when people are shy. No, the camera isn't to small. It's the perfect companion with my other cameras, like my Mamiya 6 and 7, and 4x5". It's always room for the GM1 or the GM5. Also when I'm using other digi cameras.
I rock this little cameramonsrter with a Lensadapter for 110 Pentax lenses. Gosh I never would change this little camera for a GR2 or 3 It's a lovely little tool and a street monster so tiny and so versatile bc of the interchangeable lenses...and the dynamic monochrome preset is absolutely stunning! 😅
The shutter lag I have it also on E-PL1, which is probably the same age as GM1. Those old ML cameras stil had a mechanical shutter. And my E-PL1 has big problems with shutter shock at 1/10...1/60s exposure time.
I bought Ricoh GR3 like 24 hours ago, thanks to Sulanto's videos - he releases this 20 hours ago! :D - well. I have been having a hell of a time with GR3 this past day. The APS-C sensor captures a lot of light, I love it.
Hi Matti, did you ever try the Panasonic GM5? This quite similar to the GM1 sized cam has an electronic viewfinder and a small rest for the thumb at it‘s back. The layout of the back is designed a little bit different with a smaller screen and a bi-functional dial above in good reach oft he thumb and the danger of touching the screen accidently is slightly reduced in my opinion. I have equipped my GM5 not with that extra grip, but with a key-ring of a size that let slide my pointing finger easily in and position it automatically on the shutter button. So it‘s easy to carry the cam safely around and also have immediat access as well as a stable hold. For nearly perfect one hand operation you can set the Touchpad-AF to "OFFSET" to enable a free shifting of the focus point within the reach of the thumb. Give it a try if you can get one 😊
Was about to leave a similar comment, but you beat ne to it and saved me some time. ;-) I love my GM5, but the GM1 was ergonomically hard for me to use.
I can relate. I used to be in the "smaller is better crowd." Now I've crossed over completely. Had the GX85, not the GM models, but similar to Matti, I also found its controls small and grip inadequate to be comfortable and added an aftermarket grip. But it wasn't until I moved on to the larger G95 that I realized how much more enjoyable it is to shoot a camera with a great grip and comfortable, well-spaced and larger controls. What a huge difference to a shooter who is frequently adjusting settings! And although it's heavier, you don't feel it because it's so much more comfortable to grip and hold. Not to mention the better EVF and IBIS are a treat. I know there are die hard fans, but personally I just can't see myself ever going back to tiny cameras.
The G90/95 I have found to be pretty much the perfect comfort size for me, as well. Then comes the ponderings if one actually needs perfect comfort size? Possibly if one is shooting looong studio sessions or such, but my style, which tends to be carry a lot -shoot a little. I will habitually go for a smaller camera, lately these have been the E-M10MkII and/or the E-M5, either OG or MkIII. In some ways, I rate unobtrusiveness over comfort in use for day to day gear. YMMV 🙂
Thanks Matti. My journey with MFT started with the GM1, having shot with the Canon aps cameras in the digital era. Like you, I found it a little bit too small and lacking a viewfinder (could not see a thing in the bright Canary Islands sun) and a year later grabbed my first GM5. I liked it so much that couple years later I bought another GM5 for 100e! It came with two lenses and the net after selling the lenses for the body was 100e. When traveling light I take both bodies, the 12-32 kit lens, Leica 17, maybe the Olympus 9-18 zoom and all this fits in less than 1 liter! When I have more time and get more serious I will grab my G9 and at least one GM5. I really love the options the MFT has and at at affordable cost as well.
I bought a GM1 a few years ago for way more than it should have cost and I loved it so much. I got some of my favorite shots on it. Another popped up about a year later for half the price so I couldn't resist snagging that one too. Now I have two and they're a great compliment to my GX85 and my GH5M2. It's a bummer you weren't a fan but I am glad you were honest with us about your thoughts!
I love my Panasonic cameras, but when I took a photo walk with my GX-85 with a 20mm 1.7 lens, along with my new GR3x, the Ricoh was the clear winner. Easier to carry, start up and compose quickly... and the JPEG images were a lot better. Of course, the edited RAW files were pretty close (to the point that you couldn't tell which camera took the images). Being that, I frequently grab the JPEG if it looks ok, and share it... life is simpler and more fun with the GR3x. I did prefer the tilting screen and EVF of the GX-85. It was much simpler to get creative with it. I also have the 14mm 2.5 you shot with in this video... so the GX-85 will also win with flexibility. I'm keeping both cameras, and will choose the right tool for the job. Thanks for the video. It was a fun watch.
thanks for letting Robin borrow the camera ! I once commented on his video and he said the camera was an excuse for sloppy auto focus, but GR is much more than that at least he licked what he spit :D
I used to own, and love, both the GM1 and GM5 but sold them when flagship smartphones started to be more fit for purpose as EDC cameras. I also owned and sold the 14mm, for me its main weakmess was the 2.8 aperture which is unaceptble for a M43 prime as there are may other faster, better and equally tiny alternatives available. But the smallest and best "real camera" I have ever used is the Olympus PEN E-PM2: it weighs 223 grams, has image stabilisation, you can fit an excellent external EVF on it and the sensor is rated very highly for its class (DxMark test)
A lot of those older cameras are well worth checking out. I often do my landscape photos with a large full frame Canon DSLR, which is not really that fun to drag around for photo walks and street photography is busy areas. As a budget option, a while back I picked up the original Olympus OM-D E-M5 camera. I've found it to be a wonderful option for my photo walks and it's even cheaper these days. Combined with the Olympus 17mm F2.8 pancake lens it makes a wonderful budget camera that can easily fit in a jacket pocket. I highly recommend it as another option.
I have the GM5, essentially the GM1 with a small but functional EVF. Added the largest Flipbak stick-on grip for better handling. Disabled all the touch functions which are more trouble than they are worth. No IS if you use primes (which I prefer with this camera), but IS with the excellent and small 12-32 and 35-100 lenses. Love the compact form factor with the Panasonic 20mm 1.7 (my most commonly used combo), but as I've written before, you have to be on your game with shooting technique since there is no IS/IBIS. Does not stand up against more current alternatives, such as the GR, but still a wonderful camera.
I've always had a GM1 owned about three and finally keeping one for good after selling a few times. I also tried the GRiii alongside and although i loved the retracting lens meaning it can go in a pocket I sold it because the GM1 is a much better value. I pair it with either the 14mm or 20mm.
I totally agree! I never got on with my GRiii from the day that it was delivered and I ended up selling it after six months. The GM1 though takes the most amazing shots for such a tiny camera plus you can swap lenses whenever necessary. The images are so sharp, especially with the stabilized 12 - 32mm kit lens, the autofocus is fast and the tonality is lush. I stumbled on this little beauty purely by accident and love it so much that I bought another one 😂. None of my Fujifilm cameras ever see the light of day now.
Watching this in 2024 and super jealous of the handgrip that you can't find anymore. I had my chance, I've had this camera since it came out! As for it being small, that's what attracted me to it. I have tiny stubby fingers, it's why big ole dslrs will never be fun for me. I love the Gm1 / Ricoh combo. One has a choice of lenses, the other doesn't need a choice of lenses.
Richard Franiec grip contour is perfect shape but is slick aluminum and very difficult to find. RX100 grip trimmed ever so slightly at the lower tip has a not quite as good grip shape but is rubber and hence sticks better to the hand. Have GM5 with Franiec and GM1 with RX100 and surprisingly favor the RX100 grip due to more secure feeling grip. Both are stuck on by adhesive. Never seen in person OEM but looks to be less comfortable, adds to the height, almost undoubtedly heaviest, believe have to remove to get to the battery and/or memory card, and looks to be a less conforming and more claw-like grip. Almost every anything attached to the bottom of a camera using tripod mount as a grip wobbles to some degree and end up continually tightening the screw to try in vain to eliminate wobble while trying not to over-torque and therefore bend the baseplate. Only advantage is it is fully removable without having to pull any dental floss between camera and grip through the adhesive to remove. Recommend the RX100 grip. Besides, much more available and cheaper. www.amazon.com/Sony-AGR2-Attachment-Grip-Black/dp/B00KOUIBRU/ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nyEXmERBD9R1xB2gpQ0f2I_b-AMnSb6McSdefze1OZZsP3DbiO7ahisf0wUNrC9NwRNFcKIHkrfTVKoJaW4lM1QPJRZlUkGysbqdTRhxO0MkhaUofm9rPcI8HJ0M5ascvaT1ZhUSgR9Ap_VYhc1MdFDk8MYpwbx-QHiSV782mR9bBNqEVnaUMTs9rmk0R2oczeHyZwQmlYB7XrzXA7k0XCSaQY23NG-6MVcU9O-_ack.sWI9sVYhruFaAAbLwSXb2JXxitRbHCcc8HPm4MhsPfw&dib_tag=se&keywords=sony%2Brx100%2Bgrip&qid=1722412434&sr=8-2&th=1 Best of luck. Note too that the GM5 has a little bit of a thumb grip built in which helps grip a lot. Am thinking of sculpting and attaching something similar above and around the record button of my GM1. Note too that in my mind the best lens for the GMs, especially the GM5, is the 42.5mm f1.7. www.imaging-resource.com/news/2016/03/17/the-smallest-most-powerful-portrait-combination-under-1000 Together with a wide angle such as your phone's camera, a wide angle M43 lens, or perhaps best a Richo GR you have the old photojournalist's medium-wide/short-tele setup with the most portable portrait lens setup. camerasize.com/compact/#491.458,491.93,491.932,819,454,ha,t Equivalent f3.4 is as shallow a depth of field you will want for a head and shoulders without blurring the tip of an Aryan nose or ears. Flatter, more Asian features may allow shallower depth of field. This simulator may help tell you how much aperture you may want but, unfortunately shows totally smooth skin so blurring of nose may be more noticeable than the simulator may suggest. dofsimulator.net/en/ Barely bigger and heavier than Olympus 45mm f1.8 but has image stabilization (which becomes more important on a lighter camera especially with the GM1 where you don't stabilize the camera against your face) and focuses much closer. People argue about which is a better optic but in the end there are very minor trade-offs of one optical characteristic to another, from one lens to the other, sort of mimicking the slight differences between an 85mm and 90mm equivalent field of view and f1.7 vs f1.8 (a theoretical .165 stop slower and f3.4 vs f3.6 equivalent). Reviewers swoon over the 45mm because it is the penultimately small portrait lens for M43 and is less money however you may wish to weigh that against the fact that it is less feature-rich and is more money after you buy it with a lens hood. Additionally a set of auto extension tubes gives you almost (wish someone could make an m43 auto extension tubes thinner than 10mm, maybe impossible) every magnification through to beyond 1:1 but not quite the quality of a dedicated macro lens like the Panasonic 30mm f2.8 or the Olympus 60mm f2.8. www.amazon.com/s?k=mft+extension+tube&gad_source=1&hvadid=694830104131&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9033260&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=10437130835192824565--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10437130835192824565&hvtargid=kwd-302954076938&hydadcr=18448_13446543&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_9g5tovgvh4_e_p67 Got the Meke ones and have been fine but likely all are good. Still additionally get a finger cuff for your GM (and GR if you have one) as the camera is so light it works well. www.amazon.com/OP-TECH-USA-Finger-Cuff-QD/dp/B005DKLJAW?th=1 Finally for those who have a GR then for sure get the finger cuff and the shortest wrist strap to fit your hand (tie it off to shorten if as a quick fix) and use both together, finger on the upper lug and wrist strap on the lower lug as the swinging assembly doesn't swing nearly as much as with a wrist strap so you can use you right hand for a lot of things without hitting things. With the finger cuff on the right ring finger one can readily pull the camera into full holding grip position without using your left hand at all...Super for the single-handed controlled GR. Note too that the Richo GR only has reduced shutter lag when you already have the camera turned on with the battery running down and the delicate lens extended. Still love my GRii but wish had a GRiii for its IBIS for employing arms-length shooting although would miss the slightly better single-handed ergonomics of the GR & GRii.
I like my GM5 which is the later slightly larger model with the electronic viewfinder. I live in a sunny place too and I find the LCD on mine is frequently unusable because it is just too dim to frame an image on it in bright sunlight and especially so in bright overcast. So I just use the EVF with an auxiliary larger eyecup.
I bought a brown GM1 with a silver 12-32 just because. I just love the way it looks. Sort of a collector's piece. I've hardly shot any photos with it! Haha!
The feeling of shutter lag may have a bit to do with the fact that it's an electronic first curtain shutter, so you don't hear or feel anything at the start of the exposure, and only hear and feel the second curtain at the end of the exposure.
there is no shutter lag, i have shot tens of thousands photos with several gm1's , it's fast and responsive and can take any weather and some beating (unlike a GR) with no problems, really hope they would make second generation
The Lumix GM1 is a nice little cam. I had a Lumix, now I have a GRII. * The GR is signifcantly thinner * The GR lens is noticeable better than the lumix 14 2.5 in any resepect * The GR is all about snap focus function * The GR can be operated with one hand (unfortunately only the right hand if you are left handed the GR is not for you :-( ) * The GR has flash sync up to max shutter speed Any of the system cams not before 2013 will deliver great results by means of good raw converters, choose to your convenience and budget.
Hello, please tell me if it can be used not only for street photos, but for landscape photos. I am a specialist in geodetic work, and very often I carry out work in nature. I can’t take a large camera with me because I carry surveying equipment. a smartphone cannot always convey what I would like to capture. So I’m thinking about what I could take from a compact camera.
You wouldn't think that the GM1 was so "cumbersome" if you wore it with its neck strap. That's how I carry my GM5 which is so light I barely know it's there. Most of the time I keep it's Panasonic 12-32mm lens on it, which is very sharp.
@sulantoblog - I got a question about using Lumix cameras: For me there is a problem to disconnect autofocus and exposure metering. Any time when I nail my focus with my LX100ii the camera nails automatic the exposure. It is frozen. There is no more any metering. If I recompose the camera - even I do it in a slight and minimum way - the exposure is no longer correct. A not so good solution is to program and use the AE/AF-Lock button. In this way you can set the focus or set the exposure by pressing it. Later you can press the shutter release and take a photo. But this is a querky two step solution and not good for street photography. Any camera manufacturer - Nikon, Pentax (custom menu), Olympus (but not set by default), Sony (set by default), Ricoh, ..., ... - build in this function. But I can't find any solution for my LX100II 😞 How about the GM1? How about other m4/3-cameras? Do you have any tip for me? Thanx
I'm really sorry, but I have no Lumix cameras with me and no way to double check anything. All I can do is read the user manual, but you can do that as well😀
@@mattisulanto - of course I took a very deep and close look in the manual and inside internet forums before I wrote you. I found that there is no solution. This setting finally is completely missing in Panasonic cameras. In the end I took the chance to write you and tell you about this problem. There is still a small hope inside me, that someone got a solution in the end
@@mattisulanto thanks! The 14 not as wide as I thought! But I have my eye on the 20mm 1.7 Lumix Ii. Hoping used prices will cycle down again, too high at the moment.
Shutter lag may be due to the cheaper prime lens stopped down. I've found that on the lumix 20mm. no problem at all with a zoom lens. the leica 15mm might have a small amount of shutter lag, but it's far less than the 20mm when stopped down and does not interrupt shooting. I imagine the 14mm has some lag equal to the 20mm. this isn't a problem wide open to about f2.8.
The GM1 feels better with the Lumix 15mm. It’s bulkier but it’s 1’7 instead of 2’5 and it has aperture control which makes a big difference on the handling of this tiny camera.
Thanks and again an enjoyable photo walk. Makes me want to plan a trip to KL! Like you I won't be trading in my GRIII/X anytime soon. BTW think you've upset a few with your title to this one!.
Ostin Lumix GX800 kaks tai kolme vuotta sitten poistomyynnistä. Oon kyllä tykänny. Kulkee helposti mukana ja sil on hauska kuvata. Harrastajalle hyvät ominaisuudet pienessä paketissa edullisesti. Nyt olen alkanut videoimaan sillä luontoa ja lintuja jalustalta (300mm Soligor adapterilla). Ei kuvaamisen tarvii olla kallista harrastajalle ja aika vähällä lopulta pärjää. +Välineiden rajoitteet tarjoaa haastetta kuvaajalle ja antaa tilaa luovuudelle. Kevättä odotellessa. 😄
I primarily shoot with a GX85. I got a GM 1 last year for... free, and spent some time using that exact combination. I was impressed. Having big hands, all of my cameras have a modified screwdriver handle that screws into the tripod mount hole. Handling is never an issue.
In the last few weeks since I picked up an old Canon G16 as an everyday carry to take reference shots for sketching, I discovered a few UA-cam channels talking about a new trend? in street photography. They're buying up cheap old digicams. (Those cameras are really pocketable) Particularly the ones with CCD sensors because they feel that the images have a more film like quality. Sort of a poor student's answer to film photography. It's encouraged me to have a look around the house to see what old digicams we might still have stored away 😄
Thanks. Yeah, there seems to be some sort of trend and I understand it from young people's perspective, but having experienced those cameras back in the day, I'm not yet convinced that they'd be that special😀
I love that 14mm lens, I think it's got character. I've taken a fair few of my favourite photos with it, on both my GF-1 and my GX-7. It's high time I got it out again…
I use the 14mm or the 20mm on my Gm5. Most people like it for the evf but i think the little controlwheel is the best thing. With a press you can change between apperture and exposure or shutterspeed, even with cloves on.
Compare if you want all these cameras in your video, to the Panasonic Lumix GX9 with 15mm Leica 1.7 attached. I forgot the GR's which were my favourite street cameras. With the exceptional image quality from this combo, the tilt screen and viewfinder, the fast autofocus, plus stabilisation and small overall size. And to be honest the GX9 is a really beautiful looking and feeling camera enjoying holding and shooting with. Just my 2c. Thank you
I had both GM1 and GM5 but I sold the first one. GM5 is marginally bigger and the screen is slightly smaller. But it has a small roulette which I use for aperture, a tiny but useful when the sun shines visor and on the back has a really small thumb grip that makes a big diference. I also have the optional grip that appears on the video but I don’t like it, it doesn’t fits well on my hands. Instead of that, I bought a “sticker front grip” I bought which, if I’m not wrong, was designed for the Sony RX100 or something similar and improves a lot the handling of this tiny gem.
Compact cameras are awesome and can pack a lot in a small box. My ONLY qualm with any of the rx100/GR3 style cameras - - wait until you get dust inside of it. It will happen, multiple times, and good luck while traveling. Dust spots are terrible - how about a small hair? I was able to clean my rx100i after watching youtube videos but man it's a pain. I'd rather take off the lens, blow it out or swab it if necessary. Being able to perform maintenance your on anything is high priority. Apparently you can turn off the touch screen mode.
I believe that the Ricoh GR is a camera that is able to capture the air🪄. I would be interested to see the same photos of 📷GM1 and 📷Ricoh. I love interchangeable optics, so my choice is GM1📷. But, one thing can convince me to choose Ricoh, it's the difference in the air in the same photos 😊
I had a GRII which I love but have transitioned to a GX880. The GR is more pocketable but like the LX100 prone to dust. I also don't always want 28mm. I can carry the GX800 with 14mm you used in one pocket and a 20mm 1.7 in the other. It works for me, the only thing I miss is the positive film simulation, which was better on GRII than GRIII. Also as I have GX9 and a G9 I found I was re-learning the GR menus each time I picked it up. The GX880 is that camera that goes everywhere with me, no excuses and stops me using my phone. Great video as always (is Robin charging you rent yet? 🙂)
I like more the GM5, though equally small it has eye-finder and few more buttons, very enjoyable one, with the kit zoom as well as the 42,5mm F1,7 ; and 35-100mm 5,6 too. For me the interchangeable lenses makes it much more desirable than any with built in lens.
GM1's a great little camera with sturdy build. But to me it was challenging to use even with the original grip, because of the overall size, no thumbrest, and backwheel that I often pressed accidentally. My choice is GX1 + 14mm f2.5 lens. GX1 is somewhat distinct in the Lumix lineup: not sure if its sensor + bayer-filter combo was ever used in other MFT cameras(?) It produces great looking images.
My GM1 paired with a Olympus 9mm f8 always lives in my camera bag as a backup camera for my Olympus e1 mark 3. It's not the easiest think to shoot with a larger lens but as a backup it works ok.
They are great little cameras , and the 880 , even the Oly Pen often call entry cameras but perfectly capable in a pro hand I’ve used G9 and OM1-ii and Nikon Z5 I’m now using these small compact MFT . Fun and compact and most only print upto A3 or share to social media . They are perfect
After I upgraded my GF1 to the GX1 back then, it remains my preferred EDC. As of now, I still haven't found a new camera that's worth replacing it yet and my Leica Q isn't a compact camera.
The Ricoh fulfills a niche: It fits into your pant pockets, while offering exemplary image quality. The Pana does not fit into your pants, so a comparison is only valid, if that is not your requirement.
Matti: One alternative you should test is the Canon EOS M variants. I think you might be pleasantly impressed. For somer reason the M does not get much respect (even from Canon, despite its sales). Try the M5 with the 32mm f/1.4 (50mm equiv.), or maybe the M100 or M200.
Tiny MFT is an abandoned dream. The tiny MFT problem isn't the cameras. It's the lenses. For pancakes, you get a few primes, and two stubby, fiddly short zooms. Beyond those, the longer-reach lenses defeat the tiny MFT purpose. And, like most buyers, if you're looking for a pocketable camera that reaches past 84mm equiv., how much easier is it to just carry a (modern) RX100, or G5/7x where the lens retracts into the body, and the whole thing is less than 2 inches thick? Situation would be way different if longer MFT pancake zooms were made, but that never happened.
I use mine with an original Gigapan robotics pano mount. It's the largest sensor camera I know of that fits. It works great for that purpose. Slap a 150mm lens in front and gigapixel landscapes and still lifes are routine. For those who don't have 4x5 view cameras anymore, it's a pretty good substitute. Other than that, I find everything just a bit too small for routine use. The rotating rear dial is a disaster. It's just too easy to inadvertently push on the ring when the intent is to rotate it. In the Panasonic line, I find the GX-85 and GX-9 really excellent in the everyday carry, street and documentary shooting role.
Thanks Matti always appreciate an honest review. I am trying a tiny camera as a 2nd camera (Pana GX800 norm with PL 15mm f1.7) but thb I am struggling to use ANY camera without an VF : Partly because the experience doesn't feel so immersive as using a VF and partly because I need to use reading glasses when shooting with the backscreen. Rich
I have to watch this later (no time!) but problem is .. GM1 not that cheap! 300+$ used in US. Excellent camera but nobody wants to sell it :) As an alternative, Olympus made a whole slew of small E-PL cameras over time. I just got an E-PL3 shipped from Japan for $98. Not quite as tiny, but still smaller than my GX85, and I think I like the color rendering a lot better than Lumix actually ...
I had exactly the same problem shifting the focus point to top right so I made my own thumb grip with a couple of small layers of duct tape over the record button with a bit of non-stick over the button to avoid it getting gummed up. It really helps give the thumb a place to rest. Along with the metal grip it's great to handle. I use the GM5 which better because it's so slightly larger and does have a thumb grip. Great little cameras and viable alternatives to the Ricoh GR. The Monochrome jpgs are lovely. I see Robin rocking the XZ-1, another great little camera 🙂
Since the Lumix GM1 does not have a fixed lens like the Ricoh GR3, it would appear that the Lumix LX5 or LX7 would be a more appropriate replacement for it than the GM1.
I had a GM1. They have rather become collectors' items now and rather expensive. I almost regret trading it but I won't buy another used one, certainly not at the silly money they're going for. I found it too small for my hand, the grip bar would make it even more awkward for my paws. It does have two dials (dial and wheel) and all the usual functions but you do have to delve through the menu for them or poke a button then fiddle. I had to turn the touch-focus off, it does wander. Stick it on the back of a Bigma - it looks utterly silly but it takes photos. It lacks a few things I want, that I find practically essential - tilt monitor, a viewfinder, stabilisation (and the GR3 lacks the first two). That has become my E-PL7, VF4, and PZ14-42 (plus PZ45-175).
@@mattisulanto yeah. silly prices, you can tell. Never the most practical camera, probably sitting on shelves. I found it too small even with the thumb grip in the hot shoe. I don't have huge hands, usual man-size things on the end of the arms. Small is good but too small, the GM1 didn't work out other than an exercise in miniaturisation.
There are two philosophies I say that the Best camera is the one you have with you (generally small form factor) Other people say the best camera is the one they have at home, because it is too big to take anywhere... There is some truth in both views 🤷🏻♂️
I had the GM1 a few years. Nice, but it's extreme small size comes with too many compromises. I sold it and got a GX800 aka GX880. It's only slightly bigger, but much easier to handle and a swivel screen.
Finally someone said it :D I really want to love GM1, I always thought something is wrong with me but it is just too small for my hands :) I just need a tad bigger camera, I had GF2 and size wise it was just there, but sensor was ancient and I did not use it that much compared to GX85. It seems like I will sell GM1. There is someone who will like it way more than me. Thanks for your opinion :)
Hey Matti, great video once more, packed with great shots. Well it really looks like to me that the câmera itself is capable of taking really good photos, but I feel and also like you said it problably is a bit too basic and small camera for most well rounded or experienced people. It doesn't compare at all in my opinion with the GRIII, the Ricoh is a tremendous street photography câmera, this Lumix GM1 feels to me like a nice and cheap novice and begginer entry level câmera. All the best my friend!!
Great review and opinion/suggestions. I lurking the GM1 for many years for it's small size while having a decent sensor. When im ready to pull the trigger I always have second thoughts about it, specially when i see the lack of controls at the back and no ext flash shoe. Maybe GM5 would worth a try
I had both and I sold the GM1. GM5 is marginally bigger, the screen is slightly smaller but it has a small roulette which I use for aperture, a tiny but useful when the sun shines visor and on the back has a really small thumb grip that makes a big diference. I also have the optional grip that appears on the video but I don’t like it, it doesn’t fit well in my hands. Instead of that, I bought a “sticker front grip” which, if I’m not wrong, was designed for the Sony RX100 or something similar.
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Thank You!
The fact that the resale value of this little gem of M4/3 camera is still pretty high is really something~
I hold my GM 1 with my left hand and use my right to operate it. (same as a big camera) Never had any problems with handling it.
And with the 12 - 32 and the 35 - 100 it's a perfect combo to carry around without a camera bag.
Thanks. You have found the perfect way to handle the GM1. Maybe I'll have to try you method😀
My all-time favorite camera/lens combo was the GF1 and Lumix 20mm. Small, lightweight and somewhat pocketable. Today, the GR3x is my preferred discrete and high quality camera to take everywhere.
discreet is the operative word. Love my GR3x
Same here.
Thanks.
5:23, then why do you say "Goodbye Ricoh GR3" in your title?
Goodbye for this walk.
@@mattisulanto okay, but it also works for click-bait, but not to sound sassy, I love your content, just honestly feel the title is miss-leading :)
@@motleypixelsame here
Thinking about even getting another gx85 for street since the gx9 is impossible to find.
When you mentioned Robin, I was thinking "Robin Wong maybe?" And then he shows up. I've been watching some of his videos, and now I'm watching your channel. Great fun. :)
With regards to the size, I have a Sony RX100 V, which is about the same size, and it has a very similar button layout on the back. But I have a JJC grip for it, which makes the camera a bit wider as well. I think that that helps enough, so that the grip is just a lot better. At least I don't have any tendency to touch the screen.
Just came across your video and realised that this video was made in Malaysia, my home country.
Excellent video.
Really enjoyed it!
Awesome! Thank you!
That little camera is amazing. So sharp. Love your vlog too! May I ask are you visiting Malaysia or staying here longer
Thanks. I'm going to stay a little longer.
@@mattisulanto ahh nice. Well, have fun and take care 👍
@@malcomjhy I'm currently in Bangkok, but soon back in KL.
@@mattisulanto ahh nice. Are you visiting Sabah too?
The colors of this little beast looked great.
do all the shots go through post process or directly out from the cam?
@kokkeanyoong Not sure what he does. Asking with a separate/ independent question might get his attention, though.
I’ve been using this camera since 2015 until last year..
Now the LCD died and its so hard to find lcd replacement :(
Remember when I bought the Panasonic GM1, I got it with the Pana/Leica 15/1.7 for just about $ 500. A bargain. Later I bought a nearly unused GM5, the hidden collectors camera. They go nowadays for about $ 600 on eBay, because there are so few of them. I like to use the GM1 for portraits. Then I use the Pana/Leica 45/2.8, because it's stabilized. Then I have it in my palm and follow the subjekt with my eyes and wait for det moment. The perfect combination for portraits shot when people are shy.
No, the camera isn't to small. It's the perfect companion with my other cameras, like my Mamiya 6 and 7, and 4x5". It's always room for the GM1 or the GM5. Also when I'm using other digi cameras.
Thanks for your opinion.
I rock this little cameramonsrter with a Lensadapter for 110 Pentax lenses. Gosh I never would change this little camera for a GR2 or 3
It's a lovely little tool and a street monster so tiny and so versatile bc of the interchangeable lenses...and the dynamic monochrome preset is absolutely stunning! 😅
I have the GM1 but can't see any dynamic monochrome setting, only monochrome (standard) and silky monochrome. Which preset are you referring to?
The shutter lag I have it also on E-PL1, which is probably the same age as GM1.
Those old ML cameras stil had a mechanical shutter. And my E-PL1 has big problems with shutter shock at 1/10...1/60s exposure time.
Thanks.
I bought Ricoh GR3 like 24 hours ago, thanks to Sulanto's videos - he releases this 20 hours ago! :D - well. I have been having a hell of a time with GR3 this past day. The APS-C sensor captures a lot of light, I love it.
Thanks. Good to hear you are enjoying your GR3.
Good work mate, Also loved the Robin Wong Cameo :)
Hi Matti, did you ever try the Panasonic GM5? This quite similar to the GM1 sized cam has an electronic viewfinder and a small rest for the thumb at it‘s back. The layout of the back is designed a little bit different with a smaller screen and a bi-functional dial above in good reach oft he thumb and the danger of touching the screen accidently is slightly reduced in my opinion. I have equipped my GM5 not with that extra grip, but with a key-ring of a size that let slide my pointing finger easily in and position it automatically on the shutter button. So it‘s easy to carry the cam safely around and also have immediat access as well as a stable hold. For nearly perfect one hand operation you can set the Touchpad-AF to "OFFSET" to enable a free shifting of the focus point within the reach of the thumb. Give it a try if you can get one 😊
Was about to leave a similar comment, but you beat ne to it and saved me some time. ;-) I love my GM5, but the GM1 was ergonomically hard for me to use.
I have used every GM in the past😀 Thanks for sharing your tips.
I liked that ring idea quite a bit. Will try it out but with a loop of paracord. 🙂
I can relate. I used to be in the "smaller is better crowd." Now I've crossed over completely. Had the GX85, not the GM models, but similar to Matti, I also found its controls small and grip inadequate to be comfortable and added an aftermarket grip. But it wasn't until I moved on to the larger G95 that I realized how much more enjoyable it is to shoot a camera with a great grip and comfortable, well-spaced and larger controls. What a huge difference to a shooter who is frequently adjusting settings! And although it's heavier, you don't feel it because it's so much more comfortable to grip and hold. Not to mention the better EVF and IBIS are a treat. I know there are die hard fans, but personally I just can't see myself ever going back to tiny cameras.
Thanks. True, small is not always better.
The G90/95 I have found to be pretty much the perfect comfort size for me, as well. Then comes the ponderings if one actually needs perfect comfort size? Possibly if one is shooting looong studio sessions or such, but my style, which tends to be carry a lot -shoot a little. I will habitually go for a smaller camera, lately these have been the E-M10MkII and/or the E-M5, either OG or MkIII. In some ways, I rate unobtrusiveness over comfort in use for day to day gear. YMMV 🙂
I respect you and like your videos, I dont like the misleading titles. We know this camera isn't better than the Ricoh, so why the title?
Thanks Matti. My journey with MFT started with the GM1, having shot with the Canon aps cameras in the digital era. Like you, I found it a little bit too small and lacking a viewfinder (could not see a thing in the bright Canary Islands sun) and a year later grabbed my first GM5. I liked it so much that couple years later I bought another GM5 for 100e! It came with two lenses and the net after selling the lenses for the body was 100e. When traveling light I take both bodies, the 12-32 kit lens, Leica 17, maybe the Olympus 9-18 zoom and all this fits in less than 1 liter! When I have more time and get more serious I will grab my G9 and at least one GM5. I really love the options the MFT has and at at affordable cost as well.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
The video quality of GM1 is amazing, with proper colour grading it can look very cinematic.
I bought a GM1 a few years ago for way more than it should have cost and I loved it so much. I got some of my favorite shots on it. Another popped up about a year later for half the price so I couldn't resist snagging that one too. Now I have two and they're a great compliment to my GX85 and my GH5M2. It's a bummer you weren't a fan but I am glad you were honest with us about your thoughts!
Thanks. We all are not the same as photographers and therefore we have different opinions too😀
@@mattisulanto that’s very true!
I love my Panasonic cameras, but when I took a photo walk with my GX-85 with a 20mm 1.7 lens, along with my new GR3x, the Ricoh was the clear winner. Easier to carry, start up and compose quickly... and the JPEG images were a lot better. Of course, the edited RAW files were pretty close (to the point that you couldn't tell which camera took the images). Being that, I frequently grab the JPEG if it looks ok, and share it... life is simpler and more fun with the GR3x. I did prefer the tilting screen and EVF of the GX-85. It was much simpler to get creative with it. I also have the 14mm 2.5 you shot with in this video... so the GX-85 will also win with flexibility. I'm keeping both cameras, and will choose the right tool for the job. Thanks for the video. It was a fun watch.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts.
Nice video, Matti. I recentlybought a GR3 and am loving it. So easy to carry around, so easy to use and great results!
thanks for letting Robin borrow the camera !
I once commented on his video and he said the camera was an excuse for sloppy auto focus, but GR is much more than that at least he licked what he spit :D
I used to own, and love, both the GM1 and GM5 but sold them when flagship smartphones started to be more fit for purpose as EDC cameras. I also owned and sold the 14mm, for me its main weakmess was the 2.8 aperture which is unaceptble for a M43 prime as there are may other faster, better and equally tiny alternatives available. But the smallest and best "real camera" I have ever used is the Olympus PEN E-PM2: it weighs 223 grams, has image stabilisation, you can fit an excellent external EVF on it and the sensor is rated very highly for its class (DxMark test)
Thanks for sharing your insights.
A lot of those older cameras are well worth checking out. I often do my landscape photos with a large full frame Canon DSLR, which is not really that fun to drag around for photo walks and street photography is busy areas. As a budget option, a while back I picked up the original Olympus OM-D E-M5 camera. I've found it to be a wonderful option for my photo walks and it's even cheaper these days. Combined with the Olympus 17mm F2.8 pancake lens it makes a wonderful budget camera that can easily fit in a jacket pocket. I highly recommend it as another option.
Thanks for sharing.
How about the Canon M6 II with the 22/2 pancake?
Why not.
I have the GM5, essentially the GM1 with a small but functional EVF. Added the largest Flipbak stick-on grip for better handling. Disabled all the touch functions which are more trouble than they are worth. No IS if you use primes (which I prefer with this camera), but IS with the excellent and small 12-32 and 35-100 lenses. Love the compact form factor with the Panasonic 20mm 1.7 (my most commonly used combo), but as I've written before, you have to be on your game with shooting technique since there is no IS/IBIS. Does not stand up against more current alternatives, such as the GR, but still a wonderful camera.
Thanks.
I've always had a GM1 owned about three and finally keeping one for good after selling a few times. I also tried the GRiii alongside and although i loved the retracting lens meaning it can go in a pocket I sold it because the GM1 is a much better value. I pair it with either the 14mm or 20mm.
I totally agree! I never got on with my GRiii from the day that it was delivered and I ended up selling it after six months. The GM1 though takes the most amazing shots for such a tiny camera plus you can swap lenses whenever necessary. The images are so sharp, especially with the stabilized 12 - 32mm kit lens, the autofocus is fast and the tonality is lush. I stumbled on this little beauty purely by accident and love it so much that I bought another one 😂. None of my Fujifilm cameras ever see the light of day now.
Watching this in 2024 and super jealous of the handgrip that you can't find anymore. I had my chance, I've had this camera since it came out! As for it being small, that's what attracted me to it. I have tiny stubby fingers, it's why big ole dslrs will never be fun for me. I love the Gm1 / Ricoh combo. One has a choice of lenses, the other doesn't need a choice of lenses.
Richard Franiec grip contour is perfect shape but is slick aluminum and very difficult to find. RX100 grip trimmed ever so slightly at the lower tip has a not quite as good grip shape but is rubber and hence sticks better to the hand.
Have GM5 with Franiec and GM1 with RX100 and surprisingly favor the RX100 grip due to more secure feeling grip.
Both are stuck on by adhesive.
Never seen in person OEM but looks to be less comfortable, adds to the height, almost undoubtedly heaviest, believe have to remove to get to the battery and/or memory card, and looks to be a less conforming and more claw-like grip.
Almost every anything attached to the bottom of a camera using tripod mount as a grip wobbles to some degree and end up continually tightening the screw to try in vain to eliminate wobble while trying not to over-torque and therefore bend the baseplate.
Only advantage is it is fully removable without having to pull any dental floss between camera and grip through the adhesive to remove.
Recommend the RX100 grip.
Besides, much more available and cheaper.
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Best of luck.
Note too that the GM5 has a little bit of a thumb grip built in which helps grip a lot.
Am thinking of sculpting and attaching something similar above and around the record button of my GM1.
Note too that in my mind the best lens for the GMs, especially the GM5, is the 42.5mm f1.7.
www.imaging-resource.com/news/2016/03/17/the-smallest-most-powerful-portrait-combination-under-1000
Together with a wide angle such as your phone's camera, a wide angle M43 lens, or perhaps best a Richo GR you have the old photojournalist's medium-wide/short-tele setup with the most portable portrait lens setup.
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Equivalent f3.4 is as shallow a depth of field you will want for a head and shoulders without blurring the tip of an Aryan nose or ears.
Flatter, more Asian features may allow shallower depth of field.
This simulator may help tell you how much aperture you may want but, unfortunately shows totally smooth skin so blurring of nose may be more noticeable than the simulator may suggest.
dofsimulator.net/en/
Barely bigger and heavier than Olympus 45mm f1.8 but has image stabilization (which becomes more important on a lighter camera especially with the GM1 where you don't stabilize the camera against your face) and focuses much closer.
People argue about which is a better optic but in the end there are very minor trade-offs of one optical characteristic to another, from one lens to the other, sort of mimicking the slight differences between an 85mm and 90mm equivalent field of view and f1.7 vs f1.8 (a theoretical .165 stop slower and f3.4 vs f3.6 equivalent).
Reviewers swoon over the 45mm because it is the penultimately small portrait lens for M43 and is less money however you may wish to weigh that against the fact that it is less feature-rich and is more money after you buy it with a lens hood.
Additionally a set of auto extension tubes gives you almost (wish someone could make an m43 auto extension tubes thinner than 10mm, maybe impossible) every magnification through to beyond 1:1 but not quite the quality of a dedicated macro lens like the Panasonic 30mm f2.8 or the Olympus 60mm f2.8.
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Got the Meke ones and have been fine but likely all are good.
Still additionally get a finger cuff for your GM (and GR if you have one) as the camera is so light it works well.
www.amazon.com/OP-TECH-USA-Finger-Cuff-QD/dp/B005DKLJAW?th=1
Finally for those who have a GR then for sure get the finger cuff and the shortest wrist strap to fit your hand (tie it off to shorten if as a quick fix) and use both together, finger on the upper lug and wrist strap on the lower lug as the swinging assembly doesn't swing nearly as much as with a wrist strap so you can use you right hand for a lot of things without hitting things. With the finger cuff on the right ring finger one can readily pull the camera into full holding grip position without using your left hand at all...Super for the single-handed controlled GR.
Note too that the Richo GR only has reduced shutter lag when you already have the camera turned on with the battery running down and the delicate lens extended.
Still love my GRii but wish had a GRiii for its IBIS for employing arms-length shooting although would miss the slightly better single-handed ergonomics of the GR & GRii.
I like my GM5 which is the later slightly larger model with the electronic viewfinder. I live in a sunny place too and I find the LCD on mine is frequently unusable because it is just too dim to frame an image on it in bright sunlight and especially so in bright overcast. So I just use the EVF with an auxiliary larger eyecup.
Thanks for sharing.
I bought a brown GM1 with a silver 12-32 just because. I just love the way it looks. Sort of a collector's piece. I've hardly shot any photos with it! Haha!
Why not, then the bad ergonomics don't matter either😀
The feeling of shutter lag may have a bit to do with the fact that it's an electronic first curtain shutter, so you don't hear or feel anything at the start of the exposure, and only hear and feel the second curtain at the end of the exposure.
Thanks. That may be the case.
there is no shutter lag, i have shot tens of thousands photos with several gm1's , it's fast and responsive and can take any weather and some beating (unlike a GR) with no problems, really hope they would make second generation
@@kopraonu It seems you have found your dream camera and that is great! I'm happy for you.
The Lumix GM1 is a nice little cam. I had a Lumix, now I have a GRII.
* The GR is signifcantly thinner
* The GR lens is noticeable better than the lumix 14 2.5 in any resepect
* The GR is all about snap focus function
* The GR can be operated with one hand (unfortunately only the right hand if you are left handed the GR is not for you :-( )
* The GR has flash sync up to max shutter speed
Any of the system cams not before 2013 will deliver great results by means of good raw converters, choose to your convenience and budget.
the gr is ugly
the gr is ugly
the gr is ugly
Hello, please tell me if it can be used not only for street photos, but for landscape photos. I am a specialist in geodetic work, and very often I carry out work in nature. I can’t take a large camera with me because I carry surveying equipment. a smartphone cannot always convey what I would like to capture. So I’m thinking about what I could take from a compact camera.
You wouldn't think that the GM1 was so "cumbersome" if you wore it with its neck strap. That's how I carry my GM5 which is so light I barely know it's there. Most of the time I keep it's Panasonic 12-32mm lens on it, which is very sharp.
To each their own. I'm sure there are many happy GM1 users.
@sulantoblog - I got a question about using Lumix cameras: For me there is a problem to disconnect autofocus and exposure metering. Any time when I nail my focus with my LX100ii the camera nails automatic the exposure. It is frozen. There is no more any metering. If I recompose the camera - even I do it in a slight and minimum way - the exposure is no longer correct. A not so good solution is to program and use the AE/AF-Lock button. In this way you can set the focus or set the exposure by pressing it. Later you can press the shutter release and take a photo. But this is a querky two step solution and not good for street photography. Any camera manufacturer - Nikon, Pentax (custom menu), Olympus (but not set by default), Sony (set by default), Ricoh, ..., ... - build in this function. But I can't find any solution for my LX100II 😞 How about the GM1? How about other m4/3-cameras? Do you have any tip for me? Thanx
I'm really sorry, but I have no Lumix cameras with me and no way to double check anything. All I can do is read the user manual, but you can do that as well😀
@@mattisulanto - of course I took a very deep and close look in the manual and inside internet forums before I wrote you. I found that there is no solution. This setting finally is completely missing in Panasonic cameras. In the end I took the chance to write you and tell you about this problem. There is still a small hope inside me, that someone got a solution in the end
The GM1 is my travel camera. Fits in a jacket pocket or my hip bag. Yes the controls are a bit finicky but the images it produces are great.
Did u crop the sample photos (much)? The sharpness and color are both very good btw, good shots in my very humble opinion.
Thanks. No crop in any of the photos.
@@mattisulanto thanks! The 14 not as wide as I thought! But I have my eye on the 20mm 1.7 Lumix Ii. Hoping used prices will cycle down again, too high at the moment.
Time to redo it with a newer sensor, but do keep the size the same.
Oh, thank you so much🙏, Matti! Great camera🔥 and an interesting comparison!)
Glad you liked it!
Misleading story title. He doesn’t really care much for the GM1. Click bait. It worked.
Shutter lag may be due to the cheaper prime lens stopped down. I've found that on the lumix 20mm. no problem at all with a zoom lens. the leica 15mm might have a small amount of shutter lag, but it's far less than the 20mm when stopped down and does not interrupt shooting. I imagine the 14mm has some lag equal to the 20mm. this isn't a problem wide open to about f2.8.
With Panasonic Leica DG Summilux 9mm F1.7 ASPH ?
If you like.
nice video and nice to see Robin our dearest friend
Hello! On what camera did you shot that video?
Gopro Hero 8.
@@mattisulanto thanks! How do you think what small camera is best today to make citivlogs like this one? What model could you recommend?
@@romab I Have not tested all of them so can't really say. The DJI Pocket 3 seems to be very popular and good.
Lumix makes beautiful pictures.
The GM1 feels better with the Lumix 15mm. It’s bulkier but it’s 1’7 instead of 2’5 and it has aperture control which makes a big difference on the handling of this tiny camera.
Thanks and again an enjoyable photo walk. Makes me want to plan a trip to KL! Like you I won't be trading in my GRIII/X anytime soon. BTW think you've upset a few with your title to this one!.
Thanks. It seems the title works😀
Robin Wong. Surprise.
I use my GM1 alot. Great camera.
Thanks. toronto canada.
Thanks for watching!
Nice video Matti, but who wrote your title--it's totally misleading. It's more like "Ricoh GR3 takes over - goodbye Lumix GM1".
Thanks. I have to talk to my scriptwriter😀
What grip mount is that?
Do you ND filters on street cameras such as the LX100?
No.
Ostin Lumix GX800 kaks tai kolme vuotta sitten poistomyynnistä. Oon kyllä tykänny. Kulkee helposti mukana ja sil on hauska kuvata. Harrastajalle hyvät ominaisuudet pienessä paketissa edullisesti. Nyt olen alkanut videoimaan sillä luontoa ja lintuja jalustalta (300mm Soligor adapterilla). Ei kuvaamisen tarvii olla kallista harrastajalle ja aika vähällä lopulta pärjää. +Välineiden rajoitteet tarjoaa haastetta kuvaajalle ja antaa tilaa luovuudelle. Kevättä odotellessa. 😄
Hieno homma, että GX toimii😀
I primarily shoot with a GX85. I got a GM 1 last year for... free, and spent some time using that exact combination. I was impressed. Having big hands, all of my cameras have a modified screwdriver handle that screws into the tripod mount hole. Handling is never an issue.
Thanks. That custom handle sounds great, but doesn't it work against the small form factor?
That’s a cool combo
In the last few weeks since I picked up an old Canon G16 as an everyday carry to take reference shots for sketching, I discovered a few UA-cam channels talking about a new trend? in street photography. They're buying up cheap old digicams. (Those cameras are really pocketable) Particularly the ones with CCD sensors because they feel that the images have a more film like quality. Sort of a poor student's answer to film photography. It's encouraged me to have a look around the house to see what old digicams we might still have stored away 😄
Thanks. Yeah, there seems to be some sort of trend and I understand it from young people's perspective, but having experienced those cameras back in the day, I'm not yet convinced that they'd be that special😀
Would SONY a6600 with smal lense be a better alternative for Ricoh GR?
That would be a nice set up, but not a GR alternative in my opinion, because the GR is essentially a pocket camera.
Stick a wide 7 Artisan manual focus lens on it, or the Lumix 15mm f1.7 on it and it becomes an ideal street combo.
Thanks for the tip.
I love that 14mm lens, I think it's got character. I've taken a fair few of my favourite photos with it, on both my GF-1 and my GX-7. It's high time I got it out again…
I have a GM1, great little camera, I often use a small tripod attached to hold it, this gets over the handling issue.
Thanks for sharing. Makes me wonder that the tripod also makes the camera kind of not so small. But, if it works for you then it's good.
Love the GM1! It’s a classic - the smallest MFT camera made.
Oly Pm1 and Pm2 are smaller.
@@caskraker Nope, GM1 is smaller
@@MrTheDule Not after 11 months.
@@caskraker Yap, after 11 months is still smaller
@@MrTheDule Noooo, it isn’t.
I use the 14mm or the 20mm on my Gm5. Most people like it for the evf but i think the little controlwheel is the best thing. With a press you can change between apperture and exposure or shutterspeed, even with cloves on.
Thanks for sharing.
Compare if you want all these cameras in your video, to the Panasonic Lumix GX9 with 15mm Leica 1.7 attached. I forgot the GR's which were my favourite street cameras. With the exceptional image quality from this combo, the tilt screen and viewfinder, the fast autofocus, plus stabilisation and small overall size. And to be honest the GX9 is a really beautiful looking and feeling camera enjoying holding and shooting with. Just my 2c. Thank you
Thanks. The GX9 is very nice and I actually own one, but it's not with me right now.
I had both GM1 and GM5 but I sold the first one. GM5 is marginally bigger and the screen is slightly smaller. But it has a small roulette which I use for aperture, a tiny but useful when the sun shines visor and on the back has a really small thumb grip that makes a big diference. I also have the optional grip that appears on the video but I don’t like it, it doesn’t fits well on my hands. Instead of that, I bought a “sticker front grip” I bought which, if I’m not wrong, was designed for the Sony RX100 or something similar and improves a lot the handling of this tiny gem.
Compact cameras are awesome and can pack a lot in a small box. My ONLY qualm with any of the rx100/GR3 style cameras - - wait until you get dust inside of it. It will happen, multiple times, and good luck while traveling. Dust spots are terrible - how about a small hair? I was able to clean my rx100i after watching youtube videos but man it's a pain. I'd rather take off the lens, blow it out or swab it if necessary. Being able to perform maintenance your on anything is high priority. Apparently you can turn off the touch screen mode.
Thanks for sharing your experience on dust. Here is mine, please take a look: ua-cam.com/video/C8LhvXMlUq4/v-deo.html
I believe that the Ricoh GR is a camera that is able to capture the air🪄. I would be interested to see the same photos of 📷GM1 and 📷Ricoh. I love interchangeable optics, so my choice is GM1📷. But, one thing can convince me to choose Ricoh, it's the difference in the air in the same photos 😊
Thanks.
Compared to LX100?
Not in this video.
It's likely you can disable auto focus point selection.
Thanks. It is likely indeed.
I had a GRII which I love but have transitioned to a GX880. The GR is more pocketable but like the LX100 prone to dust. I also don't always want 28mm. I can carry the GX800 with 14mm you used in one pocket and a 20mm 1.7 in the other. It works for me, the only thing I miss is the positive film simulation, which was better on GRII than GRIII. Also as I have GX9 and a G9 I found I was re-learning the GR menus each time I picked it up. The GX880 is that camera that goes everywhere with me, no excuses and stops me using my phone. Great video as always (is Robin charging you rent yet? 🙂)
Thanks for sharing. We don't live together with Robin😀
@@mattisulanto Glad you're only sharing cameras Matti 🤣
I like more the GM5, though equally small it has eye-finder and few more buttons, very enjoyable one, with the kit zoom as well as the 42,5mm F1,7 ; and 35-100mm 5,6 too. For me the interchangeable lenses makes it much more desirable than any with built in lens.
Thanks for sharing.
For me the best for this use was the Sony Nex 5T with the 16mm or the 20mm pancake. Small pocketable, good grip, etc
Thanks for sharing.
GM1's a great little camera with sturdy build. But to me it was challenging to use even with the original grip, because of the overall size, no thumbrest, and backwheel that I often pressed accidentally. My choice is GX1 + 14mm f2.5 lens. GX1 is somewhat distinct in the Lumix lineup: not sure if its sensor + bayer-filter combo was ever used in other MFT cameras(?) It produces great looking images.
Thanks for sharing.
My GM1 paired with a Olympus 9mm f8 always lives in my camera bag as a backup camera for my Olympus e1 mark 3. It's not the easiest think to shoot with a larger lens but as a backup it works ok.
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They are great little cameras , and the 880 , even the Oly Pen often call entry cameras but perfectly capable in a pro hand I’ve used G9 and OM1-ii and Nikon Z5 I’m now using these small compact MFT . Fun and compact and most only print upto A3 or share to social media . They are perfect
After I upgraded my GF1 to the GX1 back then, it remains my preferred EDC. As of now, I still haven't found a new camera that's worth replacing it yet and my Leica Q isn't a compact camera.
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Often i use the gm1 as second cam with the 14/140mm lense or a fixed focal lense.Nice cam ...
The Ricoh fulfills a niche: It fits into your pant pockets, while offering exemplary image quality. The Pana does not fit into your pants, so a comparison is only valid, if that is not your requirement.
Matti: One alternative you should test is the Canon EOS M variants. I think you might be pleasantly impressed. For somer reason the M does not get much respect (even from Canon, despite its sales). Try the M5 with the 32mm f/1.4 (50mm equiv.), or maybe the M100 or M200.
Thanks. If you look at my early videos, you'll notice that I have used many Canon M cameras😀
@@mattisulanto Missed those somehow. Will go back and see, thanks.
Should have put a question mark ? After your title of this video
Tiny MFT is an abandoned dream. The tiny MFT problem isn't the cameras. It's the lenses. For pancakes, you get a few primes, and two stubby, fiddly short zooms. Beyond those, the longer-reach lenses defeat the tiny MFT purpose. And, like most buyers, if you're looking for a pocketable camera that reaches past 84mm equiv., how much easier is it to just carry a (modern) RX100, or G5/7x where the lens retracts into the body, and the whole thing is less than 2 inches thick? Situation would be way different if longer MFT pancake zooms were made, but that never happened.
I use mine with an original Gigapan robotics pano mount. It's the largest sensor camera I know of that fits. It works great for that purpose. Slap a 150mm lens in front and gigapixel landscapes and still lifes are routine. For those who don't have 4x5 view cameras anymore, it's a pretty good substitute.
Other than that, I find everything just a bit too small for routine use. The rotating rear dial is a disaster. It's just too easy to inadvertently push on the ring when the intent is to rotate it.
In the Panasonic line, I find the GX-85 and GX-9 really excellent in the everyday carry, street and documentary shooting role.
Thanks for sharing your interesting set up.
Thanks Matti always appreciate an honest review. I am trying a tiny camera as a 2nd camera (Pana GX800 norm with PL 15mm f1.7) but thb I am struggling to use ANY camera without an VF : Partly because the experience doesn't feel so immersive as using a VF and partly because I need to use reading glasses when shooting with the backscreen. Rich
A proper VF certainly is nice in many situations.
The title says “Goodbye GR3” and then you say you prefer the GR3 much more. 😂😂😂
Well observed. Goodbye for that day😀
Hello sir, can you make a video on how to manually set aperture and shutter speed on Lumix GX 1, thank you a lot 🙏🏻🫰🏻
I’m sure you can read the manual and find what you are looking for. Another option is to use Google😀
I have to watch this later (no time!) but problem is .. GM1 not that cheap! 300+$ used in US. Excellent camera but nobody wants to sell it :)
As an alternative, Olympus made a whole slew of small E-PL cameras over time. I just got an E-PL3 shipped from Japan for $98. Not quite as tiny, but still smaller than my GX85, and I think I like the color rendering a lot better than Lumix actually ...
Thanks. Yes, there are many other options too.
I had exactly the same problem shifting the focus point to top right so I made my own thumb grip with a couple of small layers of duct tape over the record button with a bit of non-stick over the button to avoid it getting gummed up. It really helps give the thumb a place to rest. Along with the metal grip it's great to handle. I use the GM5 which better because it's so slightly larger and does have a thumb grip. Great little cameras and viable alternatives to the Ricoh GR. The Monochrome jpgs are lovely. I see Robin rocking the XZ-1, another great little camera 🙂
Thanks for sharing.
Minimal controls, but a deep bench of features.
Since the Lumix GM1 does not have a fixed lens like the Ricoh GR3, it would appear that the Lumix LX5 or LX7 would be a more appropriate replacement for it than the GM1.
Thanks for the tip.
I had a GM1. They have rather become collectors' items now and rather expensive. I almost regret trading it but I won't buy another used one, certainly not at the silly money they're going for.
I found it too small for my hand, the grip bar would make it even more awkward for my paws. It does have two dials (dial and wheel) and all the usual functions but you do have to delve through the menu for them or poke a button then fiddle. I had to turn the touch-focus off, it does wander.
Stick it on the back of a Bigma - it looks utterly silly but it takes photos.
It lacks a few things I want, that I find practically essential - tilt monitor, a viewfinder, stabilisation (and the GR3 lacks the first two). That has become my E-PL7, VF4, and PZ14-42 (plus PZ45-175).
Thanks. I did not know they are collector's items these days😀
@@mattisulanto yeah. silly prices, you can tell. Never the most practical camera, probably sitting on shelves.
I found it too small even with the thumb grip in the hot shoe.
I don't have huge hands, usual man-size things on the end of the arms. Small is good but too small, the GM1 didn't work out other than an exercise in miniaturisation.
There are two philosophies
I say that the Best camera is the one you have with you (generally small form factor)
Other people say the best camera is the one they have at home, because it is too big to take anywhere...
There is some truth in both views 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for sharing, both have some truth indeed.
I use th Olympus 17mm prime on mine . love it .
Thanks.
I had the GM1 a few years. Nice, but it's extreme small size comes with too many compromises. I sold it and got a GX800 aka GX880. It's only slightly bigger, but much easier to handle and a swivel screen.
Thanks. I have a GX880 and I like it much more too.
The GM1's video is better than a lot of cameras, especially anything Pentax or Ricoh. I love the 14mm. A super-fun combo, but I prefer the GX880.
Thanks for sharing.
How come you prefer the GX880? I'm looking at getting a GM1 or a GX880.
I have the Leica D-Lux 4, which I think is roughly is based on the same platform. Made some of my best pictures with it. Colors are still unmatched.
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Finally someone said it :D I really want to love GM1, I always thought something is wrong with me but it is just too small for my hands :) I just need a tad bigger camera, I had GF2 and size wise it was just there, but sensor was ancient and I did not use it that much compared to GX85. It seems like I will sell GM1. There is someone who will like it way more than me. Thanks for your opinion :)
Thanks and happy my video was helpful.
that is great camera im looking for fujifilm xf1 very rare camera
Hey Matti, great video once more, packed with great shots. Well it really looks like to me that the câmera itself is capable of taking really good photos, but I feel and also like you said it problably is a bit too basic and small camera for most well rounded or experienced people. It doesn't compare at all in my opinion with the GRIII, the Ricoh is a tremendous street photography câmera, this Lumix GM1 feels to me like a nice and cheap novice and begginer entry level câmera. All the best my friend!!
Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@mattisulanto you are more than welcome!!
Great review and opinion/suggestions.
I lurking the GM1 for many years for it's small size while having a decent sensor.
When im ready to pull the trigger I always have second thoughts about it, specially when i see the lack of controls at the back and no ext flash shoe.
Maybe GM5 would worth a try
I had both and I sold the GM1. GM5 is marginally bigger, the screen is slightly smaller but it has a small roulette which I use for aperture, a tiny but useful when the sun shines visor and on the back has a really small thumb grip that makes a big diference. I also have the optional grip that appears on the video but I don’t like it, it doesn’t fit well in my hands. Instead of that, I bought a “sticker front grip” which, if I’m not wrong, was designed for the Sony RX100 or something similar.