As a South African, it is good to see these sort of non-racist, no-nonsense videos on our history (both White and Black). I am always sick of seeing the extremely toxic comments or videos people make on these subjects.
Interestingly, I read a story that boer security forces caught Churchill with hollow point dum dum rounds on a train shortly before the anglo-boer war started. This was punishable by death, but they instead just seized the bullets and let him go. History would have turned out so differently if those boers would have executed him for essentially trying to undermine their republics
@@parchment543 That is a reference to our politicians, who are constantly running around on low batteries, making moronic remarks. I am convinced that the entirety of the anc faces 24/7/365 mental loadshedding.
@Klaidi Rubiku There's a massive Cultural and Linguistic difference between an Afrikaner and a Dutchman, why would we still be in this Shithole if there wasnt a difference?
@@ovs8691 It is much easier for a Dutchman to learn Afrikaans, for an Afrikaner to learn Dutch is more difficult as i understand it. For me personally as a Dutchman it is very easy to read or speak Afrikaans without having to learn it.
@@Weda01 As a Afrikaans tour guide I have met many Dutch and German people we were able to speak. The German pronounciation is harder to learn and different. The Dutch however was easier to learn and understand once you get around the accent. I do agree it's easier for the Dutch to understand Afrikaans
OVS Cause some feel it’s the Promise Land, but the reason Nederland land doesn’t recognize you guys is a) You all chose to stay way back when when you were ordered to leave and b) it wasn’t just Dutchmen, there were people from other areas of Western Europe and The U.K and they all were employed by The Kingdom of The Netherlands.
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Where do get this history from ; because we coloureds was slaves of the Afrikaner. The Dutch brought us hear 1600 at the Capetown Slave Lodge. The Afrikaner was with us coloureds from the 1600 to 1900 ; thats when we coloureds received our own places to live in. The British brought the Indian slaves to Durban. Where do get this history from.
Many Texans are also of British descent (often being descended from early American settler/pioneer stock and all), especially of English ancestry and (esp. Lowland) Scottish ancestry. (Other significant groups in Texas include, but are not limited to, Hispanics, Germans, and Native Americans.) (But the Texans/people of the Texan culture people usually think of tend to be of British descent.)
Tarzan hold your wagons bro no where in my comment did I state that Jan Žižka invented wagon warfare. I am aware that tactic has been used since ancient China. My comment just reflects the fact that anyone with late medieval history knowledge the first name that pops when it comes to wagon warfare is Jan Žižka that’s all.
Boere and Afrikaaners in general are descendants of Dutch, French and Germans and small groups of other Europeans like Scandinavians,Portuguese/spanish.
As well as admixture from Indonesia, India, Madagascar, East Africa, West Africa and KhoiSan groups. A lot of the most prominent Afrikaaner families have non-european stammoeders. The founder of the Jonkers family was a Indonesia man, named Adolph Abdullah Jonker (my ancestor).
@@Jordan84172 I mean sure but that's a very small % of their DNA. I do understand they aren't pure European although they do look it but they wont admit it anyways so we just stick to the major %.
I love the recent South African content. As a South African it's always great to see people elsewhere being interested in our history. It sounds weird hearing your Afrikaans as its got a dutch accent to it, very different from the way Americans and Brits normally pronounce these words. I cant comment on your Zulu as I can't speak it but from the little I know and plenty I always hear it's pretty spot on!
Thank you so much I really appreciate the feedback and I'm really glad you've been enjoying the content! I try my best with the languages but I guess I'll wait to be corrected by a native Zulu speaker when they come along. Glad my Afrikaans isn't too abysmal haha!
"Blood river" a interesting map in my all time favorite game. The map " blood river" contains two reactor hooks "power plant/ nuclear reactor looking things" that give you one technology level for each one captured. " Blood River" the map also contains two supply elevators" infinite resources at 300 resources per minute for each supply elevator which goes to about 600/minute if you capture both. The aliens have the upper hand on the map blood river given the teleportation technology and leaders like the Arbiter, Prophet of Regret and Brute Chieftain of the covenant faction from the halo universe. The humans under the union of the UNSC ( United Nations Space Command and the spirit of fire space ship) the humans have to rely on upgraded scout vehicles to even have a chance give the speed at which such vehicles move and the cost effectiveness and versatility of such vehicles. Scout vehicles are need to counter or keep up with alien teleportation technology and leaders and air crafts.
History With Hilbert I’m not a native speaker (or a speaker at all really) of any of the languages of South Africa (unless you include English), but I will nitpick your pronunciation of the word “Xhosa” a bit. You pronounced the click correctly, but the initial consonant is an aspirated click, if you can wrap your head around that. It’s just like any other aspirated consonant that just so happens to be a click. Also, the romanized forms of the Xhosa and Zulu languages represent the click consonants with the letters X for the lateral click, C for the dental click, and Q for the alveolar click, so the letter C in “Mfecane” is actually a dental click. As a final point, the letter combinations DL and HL in written Xhosa and Zulu represent the voiced and voiceless dental+alveolar lateral fricatives, respectively, like in the word “Isandlwana”. I hope this is helpful.
Sorry to hear what has happened to your country. As I understand it Africans have taken over much of the government and are forcing white landowners out
Ok. But this logic is never a justification for genocide against people who are guilty of something similar. Additionally it is not ALL zulus. Just like everywhere else in the world, the leaders made the decisions on behalf of everyone.
Mpande was correnated King of the Zulus and his coronation was attended by the Boer leader Andries Pretorius, a major figure in all of this who wasn't even mentioned.
Hilbert, do you read the comments? I'd like to see a video on 'why' Dutch people's moved to The Cape in the first place. Why did they leave The Netherlands? Who were these people back in The Netherlands? And were they just the byproduct of the world's first private monolith - the Dutch East India company?
most Boer's are descended from Dutch, French huggonots and Germans some came to work in the colony some like the french fled religious hate and some came for the adventure. some where from nobility and some where exstreamly poor kinda similar as to why some people went to the us.
Video idea: comparison of the Boers and the descendants of Nieuw Nederlanders in North America (who still spoke Dutch, mind you, up to 150 years after the 1664 capitulation, this isn't known well enough outside of academia, especially outside of the US). The ethnic Dutch population in the US in 1790 was still far larger than the contemporary Dutch population in the Cape Colony, and they spoke what you could call "Amerikaans" in the way the Boers spoke Afrikaans. I think a lot of Dutch people and Afrikaners would probably be surprised there was still a pretty strong Dutch speaking population in the northeastern US well into the mid 19th century (early 20th in some cases) especially considering how much Anglo chauvinism there was. Maarten Van Buren spoke Dutch as his native tongue. I think a comparison of these two kindred groups would make for good content!
Your South African history is spot on my dude. I live in Pietermaritzburg (King Dingane's formal Royal Kraal), there is a museum in the city (Voortrekers Museum) that is dedicated to this history.
Hey Hilbert, love your videos! Just one important thing to mention, us Afrikaners and "Boers" in this video were not just descendents of the Dutch but the French as well - due to the French huguenot migration away from Louis XIV under his harsh rule. The VOC offered them land and resources to farm in exchange for safety. These huguenots were over half of the current population with the free burghers in the late 17th century. The French language was snuffed out pretty quickly due to VOC's laws and tense relations with France at the time and assimilated, but that's why more than half of Afrikaans surnames are also of French origin and you can find a lot of French influence in Afrikaans as well. Eg. Aucamp (Auchamp) , Boshof (Bossau), Bruwer (Bruere)Buys (Du Buis) Cilliers (Cellier)Cronje (Cronier)De Klerk (Le Clercq)Delport (Delporte)De VilliersDu Plessis, Du Preez (Des Prez, Des Pres, Du Pre)du Randt, du Toit, Duvenage (Duvinage), Fouche (Foucher) Fourie, Gouws (Gauss)Hugo (Hugot, Hugod) Jordaan (Jourdan)Joubert (Jaubert)Labuschagne (la Buscagne)Le Roux, Lombard, Malan, Marais, Malherbe, Minnaar (Meinard, Mesnard) Naude, Nel (Neel, Niel)Nortier / Nortje (Nourtier)Pienaar, (Pinard)Retief (Retif) Reyneke (Reyne?) Riekert (Richarde?) Rossouw (Rousseau) Roux Taljaard (Taillard)Terblanche (Terreblanque)Theron (Therond) Viljoen (Villion)
There is a bigger German heritage than the French. Afrikaans is made up, and in this order, of Dutch, German, French, and an assortment of loaned words of both indigenous, as well as Portuguese, Malay etc.
I have Voortrekker ancestry. Some of my ancestors were killed a Bloukrans during the massacres along the Bushman's river (Bezuidenhout laager). Later, another forefather of mine fought at the battle of Blood River/Ncome
I’m an Australian who has caught the “Africa bug”… SA, Mozambique, Malawi, Kenya, Zim, Angola etc. But getting the pronunciations of the various groupings and tongues is just… impossible… Even the crazy rolling of r’s that SA does! I just have to smile, laugh briefly and shake my head wishin I could. Rather than just embarrassing myself whenever I try. Go away COVID! I wanna go back!
Another great video! Would love to see a video about the Dutch - portuguese war, especially the invasion in Brazil. Here in Brazil this events have a capital importance, the battle that finally expulsed the Dutch are considered the birth of the brazilian army. I never see a dutch perspective on these events.
16th century.The battle occurred after Portugal got independent from Spanish invasion. By then, the interest was to kick the Dutch out as invaders from a rival kingdom. Some time before, while Portugal was part of Spain the Dutch (also belonging to Spain) had already invaded Brazil as of common interest(maybe I'm wrong, if so, correct me)
The DID NOT interacted...they were KILLED in a ambush when they tried to interact....GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.....WE WERE SLAUGHTERD....remember the Zulu nation is 200 yrs old...my people arrived here 300 yrs ago....
So glad you included the Nieuwe Republiek, I did a report on them last semester for a South African history class. Thought that even though it was so short-lived and small, it represented all the intersecting forces in the area during that time. Great video!
Hilbert your "old Dutch" sounds very much like my dad's side spoke. My great grandfather left Gelderland about 1895 and he and G-grandmother brought their dialect with them. It sounds really guttural and harsh compared to modern Dutch, to me anyway. Recently a professional genealogy researcher identified pockets of Old Saxon dialect along the Rhine/Lower Rhine from Arnhem and west. I'm pretty sure this guttural Dutch is probably the Old Saxon. Actually listening to my dad's generation talking it sounds much closer to German with stronger stress on consonants and hard rolling of the "R"s. My mother-in-law grew up speaking Swabian and Platt Deutsch while learning High German in the Lutheran church. She and dad would chatter and have fun time talking.
Netflix should do a Zulu, Boer, Anglo series indeed. It would be quite interesting to also include the evolution of the Afrikaans language and the purposeful exclusion of the major influences of Indonesian, Malay and African native dialects on the language by the broederbond's recasting of history for white supremacy purposes and the fact that the early Afrikaans script was in arabic and in expression of Islam (NG Kerk pioneers must be turning in their graves!)
@Klaidi Rubiku Contrary to the anc and eff narrative the Boer are actually peace-loving people who would rather avoid conflict. That is why they moved. And if you read the 2 history books as you said, you would know that the Boers did not attack anybody and acted out if self-defence.
@Klaidi Rubiku - “They were not brave enough to just stay and fight against british oppression.” - No use staying to fight if almost no one will join you in the fight. It was only the Grensboere that made up the proto-Boers that was against British rule. The Cape Dutch that made the vast majority of Dutch speaking people were ok with British rule. “The dutch khoi khoi wars say othereise.” - You clearly have not read much if you think the Boers had anything to do with the Khoikhoi-Dutch wars. Those wars happened long before the Boers even started existing as a people.
The Boers are not 100% Dutch, they are in fact 34% Dutch, 33% German, 17% French, and rest Scandinavian, Welsh, Spanish, Irish, Scottish and English decent.
Portuguese speaker here, the word 'Natal' comes from the latim 'nātālis' that is a derivative from the verb 'nāscor' or 'nascer' in Portuguese which means being born. We only call Christmas Natal because it is the day that Jesus was born. Natalidade is the number of people being born per year. I am not sure what the word is in English but I think it is similar to the word geboorte in Dutch. Also, thanks for your videos, they are always super interesting! I especially like the ones about Dutch history. I live in the Netherlands so it is always great for me to learn something new about the country I live in and to surprise my friends with this knowledge! XD
Novels by Stuart Cloete are about the Great Trek and Boer War. Well worth reading. Dingane massacred the 60+ Boers with Piet Retief by impalement. Much worse than the narrator is saying.
As a white African I can rarely watch these history documentaries on Southern Africa because they’re usually full of such hubris Thank you for this, a good and accurate and honest history, well presented and researched 👏
(Why did dingane kill the Boers) as you said the zulu believed they had supernatueral powers but not just of skin color but also from the oil lanterns and black powder rifles that the boere had and is why he said kill the wizzards
The Boers are not the descendents of Dutch settlers. This is a massive misunderstanding as the history of the Boers was often written by the Cape Dutch & then the British. The Boers are the descendents of the German Protestant Refugees / the Frisian Proletariat Class / the French Huguenot Refugees that the Netherlands expelled to the Cape. These ancestral peoples were minorities in the Netherlands & were not from the main Dutch ethnic group. Since the Boers were largely historically illiterate, ( as they spoke a language - now called Kaaps & Afrikaans - that was yet to exist in written form & mostly only government officials or clergy could read or write in Dutch or English or German ) they did not have any institutions of higher learning as they lived as a rural & rustic Africanized tribe or nation & therefore did not have the necessary macro historians among them to relate their actual origins. It should also be further noted that the Boer people are not exclusively from just distant European roots as some of their ancestors were also from Asia ( mainly India & Indonesia ) as well as Africa itself such as the aboriginal Khoisan peoples who founded the Kaaps & Afrikaans languages in 1595. The Dutch were in reality the original oppressors of the Boer people as they ran the Dutch East India Company that exercised harsh control over the Boers. It was this harsh Dutch control that led to the creation of the Trekboers that fled the Cape Colony beginning in 1670 & throughout the 1700s from which the Boers would emerge from on the Cape frontier by circa 1700. The Boers later revolted against the Dutch in 1795 when they declared their first Boer Republics on the Cape frontier.
The v o c needed workers to work in their gardens they offered land for those people after they have worked for 3 years for the v o c these were farmers from Nederland the v o c brought to the Cape , they wasn't given land after they worked the 3 years , they moved away and formed a Republick in Swellendam , these became the Boere that was part of the Groot Trek , they all so didn't create a new nation in the republic's as the ones did in the Cape proof that they were not v o c , there is a difference between the Dutch farmers that was imported from Nederland who worked in the gardens and the Dutch of the v o c .
@@johnnylangen2839 Sierra leon has an average IQ of 91. That's around the same as lithuania and significantly higher than india and Lebanon. If your idiotic theories are true then explain this. But back to the zulu. I will strongly disagree with you. Many africans are bi and tri lingual if africans struggle to learn languages then why is this the case? In my opinion the boers would struggle more due to the click consonants. Do you actually think before you type. If you don't think then I recommend you do. If you are thinking what you are typing through, then my god you lack brain power.
1:03 Are you from South Africa? Respect for using clicks, even more so if that's an accurate spelling (can't tell that, I dont speak any language with clicks)
I'm busy watching now... just a quick note that most Boers are actually Germans, but back then everything was considered dutch. I'll continue watching now :)
Thanks so much for this video. I'm an Afrikaner /Boer, and I think this is the first time I've actually seen a video specifically dedicated to the Boer/Zulu relationship during the 19th Century. Thank you so much for going into so much depth in South African history - it is sorely needed in a time when simplistic one dimensional historical claims drives dangerous political agenda's. I very much look forward to your video on the Difaquane.
The Voortrekkers have already fought against Mzilikazi, the king of N'debele that was previously the best general of Shaka until they parted in amicable terms. Sotho nations "hired" the Voortrekkers to stop him. Note that all previous conflicts between the Dutch/Boers and indigenous tribes were not an all-out struggle for survival, Mzilikazi just surrended and went away , the chief of cattle raiders was released , so the massacre of Weening was something really unheard for them.
It's frustrating thinking about how bloody greedy the English were. My forefathers worked really hard establishing their republics and the british just trots along like a gluttonous swine annexing, annexing, annexing. They really could've granted the Boer/Afrikaners a land to call their own. But I believe they were affraid of fierce competition. The history shows how tough and resilient the boers were and could've easily become a world superpower and run the british into the ground.
@@whyareusobad3528 they also didn't have it in the Boer war and won the Britsh with what they had , a mere 48 000 Boers ordinary farmers defeated 450 000 highly trained British soldiers in the first war before the second war when the Brits fought the Boer woman and children to won a war .
"Zo van onze als van hunne zyde". This means that the Zulus had firearms. And in the end, "to our spite, they ran so fast that we had to pursue them in all directions". The English translation is incomplete. But the video is great.
Yes, nearly correct. The only thing I will change will be to use a timeline to give you a better indication of what happened. The Mfecane started much earlier - about 30 years early. The Bantu people never lived in the areas called highveld. Khoisan lived there but died after three smallpox at the end of 1700. You do not mention the number of Zulu's and Voortrekkers (20,000 vs 480). Mpande awarded old Khoisan lands to the Boers since nobody lived there. Swazi are the same as Zulu - both were Nguni. Boers had good relations with Swazi people, but both had problems with Pedi cattle thieves. Pedi was a splinter tribe who broke away from the Tswana kingdom in Botswana. Paul Kruger, Swazi as well as Venda people fought with Pedi, in the north of Transvaal. Sekekuneland was acknowledged as Pedi land.
FUN FACT: The Zulu account of the battle of blood river. The Zulu said there were the white people with their wagons they were fighting, and also there were white people in the clouds shooting the Zulu from above.
Yes and also the Zulus were planning to attack the Voortrekkers at Blood River during the night but according to some Zulu warrior witnesses there was a white light/mist surrounding the ox wagon laager which made it difficult for them to see anything before them. They also saw people dressed in white or something descending from the sky to the laager and then rising again to the sky continuously. It eas then they decided to attack the next day rather than the night
I know from my Dutch side that as soon as gold and diamonds were discovered, they knew the British would soon show up to "claim" it. Oh look! The redcoats are coming!
I am African American but a decent chunk of my white British side of the family actually immigrated to south africa and now lives around Eastern Cape and Kwa-Zulu Natal.
Interesting parallel at the same time to the other Dutch immigrants that traveled across the western plains in the states and we're sometimes attacked by natives as well
Bedankt voor nog een fantastische video, Hilbert. Zou je een video kunnen maken over de Bataafse Republiek (1795-1806)? Het is een onderwerp dat maar weinig mensen kennen.
We are genetically comprised of all the "hard ass" sections of Europe, the Dutch are also big tall people and the Dutch that came here didn't come to make cheese😉
fun fact to mention is that "boer" or "boers" is dutch and in english it means "farmer" or "farmers". when you keep that in mind, the whole story looks more like the birtish were fighting just farmers.
Voortrekkers: * Crosses Orange River *
It's Freestate
Orange Free Real Estate.
the best use of the format.
Eyy I see what you did there ;)
Si
As a South African, it is good to see these sort of non-racist, no-nonsense videos on our history (both White and Black). I am always sick of seeing the extremely toxic comments or videos people make on these subjects.
Exactly
Absolutely my wife is South African. Afrikaans culture is beautiful ❤️
@@wildmanlopez9772
White SA? Boer or British?
@@kiuk_kiks my wife is a boer
Winston Churchill was so impressed with the Boers he named the British special forces "Commandos".
@Wolraad Wolltemade Churchill didn't start WWII, he wasn't even PM when the war started.
@Wolraad Wolltemade lmao
@@NerdRivera That's not what he said.
Interestingly, I read a story that boer security forces caught Churchill with hollow point dum dum rounds on a train shortly before the anglo-boer war started. This was punishable by death, but they instead just seized the bullets and let him go. History would have turned out so differently if those boers would have executed him for essentially trying to undermine their republics
@@NerdRivera
But Britain did start WWII.
Gotta respect you for using that Xhosa click consonant.
Still think I'm butchering it but I try :P
thats really complicated language, have you try to pronounce any of their names?..
1880: Year that the baterry ran low, this year shall be remember in infamy
That moment caused big WTF in my mind, because I'm using desktop **facepalm**
It's time to go to bed...
I think 2020 might be one of these years again
Darkness blighted the land..
What is that a reference to? SA today or back then?
@@parchment543 That is a reference to our politicians, who are constantly running around on low batteries, making moronic remarks. I am convinced that the entirety of the anc faces 24/7/365 mental loadshedding.
Lmao as a South African I can definitely agree with your pronunciation, you sound like your right here 😂 great video, cheers
@Klaidi Rubiku There's a massive Cultural and Linguistic difference between an Afrikaner and a Dutchman, why would we still be in this Shithole if there wasnt a difference?
@@ovs8691 It is much easier for a Dutchman to learn Afrikaans, for an Afrikaner to learn Dutch is more difficult as i understand it. For me personally as a Dutchman it is very easy to read or speak Afrikaans without having to learn it.
@@Weda01 As a Afrikaans tour guide I have met many Dutch and German people we were able to speak. The German pronounciation is harder to learn and different. The Dutch however was easier to learn and understand once you get around the accent. I do agree it's easier for the Dutch to understand Afrikaans
Glad my pronunciations aren't too horrific!
OVS Cause some feel it’s the Promise Land, but the reason Nederland land doesn’t recognize you guys is a) You all chose to stay way back when when you were ordered to leave and b) it wasn’t just Dutchmen, there were people from other areas of Western Europe and The U.K and they all were employed by The Kingdom of The Netherlands.
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Nice that you actually read the comments section and even reply sometimes.
Hey South African here just wanted to say your pronunciation was great overall.
Where do get this history from ; because we coloureds was slaves of the Afrikaner. The Dutch brought us hear 1600 at the Capetown Slave Lodge. The Afrikaner was with us coloureds from the 1600 to 1900 ; thats when we coloureds received our own places to live in. The British brought the Indian slaves to Durban.
Where do get this history from.
Afrikaner Boers are basically Dutch Australians.
And Australians are just British Texans.
I love the idea of them just being Dutch-speaking cowboys in the South African wilderness
Where did you get this shit from? Haha
Many Texans are also of British descent (often being descended from early American settler/pioneer stock and all), especially of English ancestry and (esp. Lowland) Scottish ancestry. (Other significant groups in Texas include, but are not limited to, Hispanics, Germans, and Native Americans.) (But the Texans/people of the Texan culture people usually think of tend to be of British descent.)
@@historywithhilbert146 They are really children of the land. Skilled hunters and trackers and passionate about their rugby.
that is so confusing.
Baie dankie dat jy ons geskiedenis deel Hilbert.
Geen probleem!
The Boers using wagons for warfare Jan Žižka is proud!
*Laughs in Czech*
Tarzan hold your wagons bro no where in my comment did I state that Jan Žižka invented wagon warfare. I am aware that tactic has been used since ancient China. My comment just reflects the fact that anyone with late medieval history knowledge the first name that pops when it comes to wagon warfare is Jan Žižka that’s all.
The Hussite Guy?
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 yep
Hilbert, just for curiosity's sake, but do you speak frisian?
Mad lad likes the comment but doesn't reply lmao
João Calife yes he do
Lol sorry I will actually reply. I speak it to a reasonable level but not fluently ;)
Boere and Afrikaaners in general are descendants of Dutch, French and Germans and small groups of other Europeans like Scandinavians,Portuguese/spanish.
Dont forget italians also, in fact the number of people of italian descent in sa is 150k-200k
@@NovaSoldier Yes, italians also.
As well as admixture from Indonesia, India, Madagascar, East Africa, West Africa and KhoiSan groups. A lot of the most prominent Afrikaaner families have non-european stammoeders. The founder of the Jonkers family was a Indonesia man, named Adolph Abdullah Jonker (my ancestor).
@@Jordan84172 I mean sure but that's a very small % of their DNA. I do understand they aren't pure European although they do look it but they wont admit it anyways so we just stick to the major %.
French Hugenots.
I find the overall Voortrekker lifestyle so wild and amazingly unique.
Yeah it really is an interesting period of history and place in time to look at!
I love the recent South African content. As a South African it's always great to see people elsewhere being interested in our history.
It sounds weird hearing your Afrikaans as its got a dutch accent to it, very different from the way Americans and Brits normally pronounce these words. I cant comment on your Zulu as I can't speak it but from the little I know and plenty I always hear it's pretty spot on!
Thank you so much I really appreciate the feedback and I'm really glad you've been enjoying the content! I try my best with the languages but I guess I'll wait to be corrected by a native Zulu speaker when they come along. Glad my Afrikaans isn't too abysmal haha!
"Blood river" a interesting map in my all time favorite game. The map " blood river" contains two reactor hooks "power plant/ nuclear reactor looking things" that give you one technology level for each one captured. " Blood River" the map also contains two supply elevators" infinite resources at 300 resources per minute for each supply elevator which goes to about 600/minute if you capture both. The aliens have the upper hand on the map blood river given the teleportation technology and leaders like the Arbiter, Prophet of Regret and Brute Chieftain of the covenant faction from the halo universe. The humans under the union of the UNSC ( United Nations Space Command and the spirit of fire space ship) the humans have to rely on upgraded scout vehicles to even have a chance give the speed at which such vehicles move and the cost effectiveness and versatility of such vehicles. Scout vehicles are need to counter or keep up with alien teleportation technology and leaders and air crafts.
r/unexpectedHalo
History With Hilbert I’m not a native speaker (or a speaker at all really) of any of the languages of South Africa (unless you include English), but I will nitpick your pronunciation of the word “Xhosa” a bit. You pronounced the click correctly, but the initial consonant is an aspirated click, if you can wrap your head around that. It’s just like any other aspirated consonant that just so happens to be a click.
Also, the romanized forms of the Xhosa and Zulu languages represent the click consonants with the letters X for the lateral click, C for the dental click, and Q for the alveolar click, so the letter C in “Mfecane” is actually a dental click.
As a final point, the letter combinations DL and HL in written Xhosa and Zulu represent the voiced and voiceless dental+alveolar lateral fricatives, respectively, like in the word “Isandlwana”.
I hope this is helpful.
Sorry to hear what has happened to your country. As I understand it Africans have taken over much of the government and are forcing white landowners out
The Zulus basically committed genocide against every other tribe they encountered
They were the biggest and strongest. It was bound to happen.
But but but the White people...
@ It was bound to happen but neither was acceptable.
@ acceptable to who ? Someone living 200 years later with a very different moral view ?
Ok. But this logic is never a justification for genocide against people who are guilty of something similar. Additionally it is not ALL zulus. Just like everywhere else in the world, the leaders made the decisions on behalf of everyone.
Mpande was correnated King of the Zulus and his coronation was attended by the Boer leader Andries Pretorius, a major figure in all of this who wasn't even mentioned.
Thanks for doing all these South Africa videos man, they're some of my favourites!
you should talk about the griqua people. that would be interesting
hahaha Hilbert, you have low battery. Please charge your computer
I thought it was my keyboard :)
As an South African, I must comment you for the correct pronunciation of everything from the tribal names to the words.
Hilbert, do you read the comments? I'd like to see a video on 'why' Dutch people's moved to The Cape in the first place. Why did they leave The Netherlands? Who were these people back in The Netherlands? And were they just the byproduct of the world's first private monolith - the Dutch East India company?
most Boer's are descended from Dutch, French huggonots and Germans some came to work in the colony some like the french fled religious hate and some came for the adventure. some where from nobility and some where exstreamly poor kinda similar as to why some people went to the us.
To cultivate food stuff for East India Company (VOC). In other words, to avoid scurvy on the ships of the company.
There’s a restaurant called after Paul Kruger in my town in Friesland.
Wêr wennest do yn Fryslân? Ik moat der mar in kear ite :P
@@historywithhilbert146 't Fean
@@historywithhilbert146 Waar woon jij in friesland ik moet daar eten?
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I just thought that was pretty funny
Zulus: Man these guys are pretty boer-ing.
Good thing I'm moving on to more topics then ;)
Video idea: comparison of the Boers and the descendants of Nieuw Nederlanders in North America (who still spoke Dutch, mind you, up to 150 years after the 1664 capitulation, this isn't known well enough outside of academia, especially outside of the US). The ethnic Dutch population in the US in 1790 was still far larger than the contemporary Dutch population in the Cape Colony, and they spoke what you could call "Amerikaans" in the way the Boers spoke Afrikaans. I think a lot of Dutch people and Afrikaners would probably be surprised there was still a pretty strong Dutch speaking population in the northeastern US well into the mid 19th century (early 20th in some cases) especially considering how much Anglo chauvinism there was. Maarten Van Buren spoke Dutch as his native tongue. I think a comparison of these two kindred groups would make for good content!
I know your dutch/frisian and that is why your pronounciation is so good . But still .Dankie baie . Jy moet trots wees op jouself !
Your South African history is spot on my dude. I live in Pietermaritzburg (King Dingane's formal Royal Kraal), there is a museum in the city (Voortrekers Museum) that is dedicated to this history.
Do a video about the Zulu genocide of the Khoikhoi.
Hey Hilbert, love your videos! Just one important thing to mention, us Afrikaners and "Boers" in this video were not just descendents of the Dutch but the French as well - due to the French huguenot migration away from Louis XIV under his harsh rule. The VOC offered them land and resources to farm in exchange for safety. These huguenots were over half of the current population with the free burghers in the late 17th century. The French language was snuffed out pretty quickly due to VOC's laws and tense relations with France at the time and assimilated, but that's why more than half of Afrikaans surnames are also of French origin and you can find a lot of French influence in Afrikaans as well. Eg. Aucamp (Auchamp)
, Boshof (Bossau), Bruwer (Bruere)Buys (Du Buis) Cilliers (Cellier)Cronje (Cronier)De Klerk (Le Clercq)Delport (Delporte)De VilliersDu Plessis, Du Preez (Des Prez, Des Pres, Du Pre)du Randt, du Toit, Duvenage (Duvinage), Fouche (Foucher) Fourie, Gouws (Gauss)Hugo (Hugot, Hugod) Jordaan (Jourdan)Joubert (Jaubert)Labuschagne (la Buscagne)Le Roux, Lombard, Malan, Marais, Malherbe, Minnaar (Meinard, Mesnard) Naude, Nel (Neel, Niel)Nortier / Nortje (Nourtier)Pienaar, (Pinard)Retief (Retif) Reyneke (Reyne?) Riekert (Richarde?) Rossouw (Rousseau) Roux Taljaard (Taillard)Terblanche (Terreblanque)Theron (Therond) Viljoen (Villion)
As a Bruwer I thank you for bringing this up, the Huguenots are often forgotten when speaking of SA colonial history
so basically, even when the british are not fighting the french, they are fighting the french
Great post, thanks !
There is a bigger German heritage than the French. Afrikaans is made up, and in this order, of Dutch, German, French, and an assortment of loaned words of both indigenous, as well as Portuguese, Malay etc.
So what. It’s a black land get out! Go back to the Dutch land.
17:56 thought that was me, but then I remembered I was using Linux.
@Hawaii 5O
What distribution do you use?
@@Venezolano410 Ubuntu 19.10
@@realhawaii5o not mint?
@@ls200076 Nope.
They didnt just kill the vooretrekkers, they slowly beat them to death and had Peter watch them as they killed all, including his son(s) and then him.
When you said "the Boer Wars", I initially thought you said "die boerewors" lol
"Die Boer whores"
*Angry Boer noises*
That was a very tasty war.
Lol😂🤣🤣
I have Voortrekker ancestry. Some of my ancestors were killed a Bloukrans during the massacres along the Bushman's river (Bezuidenhout laager). Later, another forefather of mine fought at the battle of Blood River/Ncome
Impeccable timing, some folks are doing a drive on dlive right now to raise funds for Boer farmers affected by the drought.
J T How so?
Nice, where is this fund raise?
I dont speak dutch, but listening to this guy speaking dutch is really nice, like a weird asmr
Once again hilbert is the only person that goes through the effort to say the click in Xhosa
I’m an Australian who has caught the “Africa bug”… SA, Mozambique, Malawi, Kenya, Zim, Angola etc.
But getting the pronunciations of the various groupings and tongues is just… impossible…
Even the crazy rolling of r’s that SA does!
I just have to smile, laugh briefly and shake my head wishin I could.
Rather than just embarrassing myself whenever I try.
Go away COVID!
I wanna go back!
Another great video! Would love to see a video about the Dutch - portuguese war, especially the invasion in Brazil. Here in Brazil this events have a capital importance, the battle that finally expulsed the Dutch are considered the birth of the brazilian army. I never see a dutch perspective on these events.
That is something I do need to look into actually
16th century.The battle occurred after Portugal got independent from Spanish invasion. By then, the interest was to kick the Dutch out as invaders from a rival kingdom. Some time before, while Portugal was part of Spain the Dutch (also belonging to Spain) had already invaded Brazil as of common interest(maybe I'm wrong, if so, correct me)
The Zulus were certainly much more brutal than everyone else around them
@Klaidi Rubiku Were they the strongest? I mean they did lose.
Except for the Boer and British
@Klaidi Rubiku they became the strongest by being the first tribe to institute full scale genocide under shaka.
The white people were peaceful i guess
@@Mercito bruh two wrongs don't make a right
The DID NOT interacted...they were KILLED in a ambush when they tried to interact....GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.....WE WERE SLAUGHTERD....remember the Zulu nation is 200 yrs old...my people arrived here 300 yrs ago....
So glad you included the Nieuwe Republiek, I did a report on them last semester for a South African history class. Thought that even though it was so short-lived and small, it represented all the intersecting forces in the area during that time. Great video!
Hilbert your "old Dutch" sounds very much like my dad's side spoke. My great grandfather left Gelderland about 1895 and he and G-grandmother brought their dialect with them. It sounds really guttural and harsh compared to modern Dutch, to me anyway. Recently a professional genealogy researcher identified pockets of Old Saxon dialect along the Rhine/Lower Rhine from Arnhem and west. I'm pretty sure this guttural Dutch is probably the Old Saxon. Actually listening to my dad's generation talking it sounds much closer to German with stronger stress on consonants and hard rolling of the "R"s. My mother-in-law grew up speaking Swabian and Platt Deutsch while learning High German in the Lutheran church. She and dad would chatter and have fun time talking.
Netflix should do a series on the Anglo-Boer-Zulu-Everyone else wars
Netflix will prop it full of far-left politics.
@@JUAN_OLIVIER agree. To the media and majority of the world the Boere will always be the thief’s, killers and racists
@@JUAN_OLIVIER Yeah there be soany gay people
Netflix should do a Zulu, Boer, Anglo series indeed. It would be quite interesting to also include the evolution of the Afrikaans language and the purposeful exclusion of the major influences of Indonesian, Malay and African native dialects on the language by the broederbond's recasting of history for white supremacy purposes and the fact that the early Afrikaans script was in arabic and in expression of Islam (NG Kerk pioneers must be turning in their graves!)
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Wow, that's better than I thought.
The boers were pretty brave to just go explore new land especially during the very bloody Zulu expansion
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Klaidi Rubiku and how would you propose they do that?
@Klaidi Rubiku It's a lot more complex than that - you may benefit from reading a history book or two.
@Klaidi Rubiku Contrary to the anc and eff narrative the Boer are actually peace-loving people who would rather avoid conflict. That is why they moved. And if you read the 2 history books as you said, you would know that the Boers did not attack anybody and acted out if self-defence.
@Klaidi Rubiku - “They were not brave enough to just stay and fight against british oppression.”
- No use staying to fight if almost no one will join you in the fight. It was only the Grensboere that made up the proto-Boers that was against British rule. The Cape Dutch that made the vast majority of Dutch speaking people were ok with British rule.
“The dutch khoi khoi wars say othereise.”
- You clearly have not read much if you think the Boers had anything to do with the Khoikhoi-Dutch wars. Those wars happened long before the Boers even started existing as a people.
Boers, the dutch version of cowbows
The Boers are not 100% Dutch, they are in fact 34% Dutch, 33% German, 17% French, and rest Scandinavian, Welsh, Spanish, Irish, Scottish and English decent.
The Boers are very similar to the pioneers in the American Old West.
Portuguese speaker here, the word 'Natal' comes from the latim 'nātālis' that is a derivative from the verb 'nāscor' or 'nascer' in Portuguese which means being born. We only call Christmas Natal because it is the day that Jesus was born. Natalidade is the number of people being born per year. I am not sure what the word is in English but I think it is similar to the word geboorte in Dutch. Also, thanks for your videos, they are always super interesting! I especially like the ones about Dutch history. I live in the Netherlands so it is always great for me to learn something new about the country I live in and to surprise my friends with this knowledge! XD
Boer literally means Farmer.
Novels by Stuart Cloete are about the Great Trek and Boer War. Well worth reading. Dingane massacred the 60+ Boers with Piet Retief by impalement. Much worse than the narrator is saying.
Those vortrekkers needed some machine guns
Please may you do video on mzilikazi and the matabele. And also do a video about great Zimbabwe
Man you pronounced the Afrikaans G amazingly
As a white African I can rarely watch these history documentaries on Southern Africa because they’re usually full of such hubris
Thank you for this, a good and accurate and honest history, well presented and researched 👏
(Why did dingane kill the Boers) as you said the zulu believed they had supernatueral powers but not just of skin color but also from the oil lanterns and black powder rifles that the boere had and is why he said kill the wizzards
m.ua-cam.com/video/-EhqK1tUujM/v-deo.html
The Boers are not the descendents of Dutch settlers. This is a massive misunderstanding as the history of the Boers was often written by the Cape Dutch & then the British. The Boers are the descendents of the German Protestant Refugees / the Frisian Proletariat Class / the French Huguenot Refugees that the Netherlands expelled to the Cape. These ancestral peoples were minorities in the Netherlands & were not from the main Dutch ethnic group. Since the Boers were largely historically illiterate, ( as they spoke a language - now called Kaaps & Afrikaans - that was yet to exist in written form & mostly only government officials or clergy could read or write in Dutch or English or German ) they did not have any institutions of higher learning as they lived as a rural & rustic Africanized tribe or nation & therefore did not have the necessary macro historians among them to relate their actual origins. It should also be further noted that the Boer people are not exclusively from just distant European roots as some of their ancestors were also from Asia ( mainly India & Indonesia ) as well as Africa itself such as the aboriginal Khoisan peoples who founded the Kaaps & Afrikaans languages in 1595. The Dutch were in reality the original oppressors of the Boer people as they ran the Dutch East India Company that exercised harsh control over the Boers. It was this harsh Dutch control that led to the creation of the Trekboers that fled the Cape Colony beginning in 1670 & throughout the 1700s from which the Boers would emerge from on the Cape frontier by circa 1700. The Boers later revolted against the Dutch in 1795 when they declared their first Boer Republics on the Cape frontier.
The v o c needed workers to work in their gardens they offered land for those people after they have worked for 3 years for the v o c these were farmers from Nederland the v o c brought to the Cape , they wasn't given land after they worked the 3 years , they moved away and formed a Republick in Swellendam , these became the Boere that was part of the Groot Trek , they all so didn't create a new nation in the republic's as the ones did in the Cape proof that they were not v o c , there is a difference between the Dutch farmers that was imported from Nederland who worked in the gardens and the Dutch of the v o c .
If he killed shaka Zulu why you are surprised by betraying the boers
Do you think it's harder for the Dutch to speak Zulu or for the Zulu to speak Dutch?
ctastrophe zulu to speak dutch i think that the dutch are better at pronounciation
Boere speak Bantu languages because it's the way they can communicate with farm workers or labourers/miners
Much harder for the Dutch I would say to speak Zulu because of the clicks in the language.
@@johnnylangen2839 Sierra leon has an average IQ of 91. That's around the same as lithuania and significantly higher than india and Lebanon. If your idiotic theories are true then explain this. But back to the zulu. I will strongly disagree with you. Many africans are bi and tri lingual if africans struggle to learn languages then why is this the case? In my opinion the boers would struggle more due to the click consonants. Do you actually think before you type. If you don't think then I recommend you do. If you are thinking what you are typing through, then my god you lack brain power.
I like everything that you present. There are always things in yours that's not commonly taught. Thanks so much for being you !
1:03 Are you from South Africa? Respect for using clicks, even more so if that's an accurate spelling (can't tell that, I dont speak any language with clicks)
He’s from England but he’s Dutch
Great
Thanks man!
Your pronunciation is spot on in all of the languages in your videos! :-)
I'm busy watching now... just a quick note that most Boers are actually Germans, but back then everything was considered dutch. I'll continue watching now :)
You had to be pretty brave to leave your land and survive in a wagon in hostile territory
Thanks so much for this video. I'm an Afrikaner /Boer, and I think this is the first time I've actually seen a video specifically dedicated to the Boer/Zulu relationship during the 19th Century. Thank you so much for going into so much depth in South African history - it is sorely needed in a time when simplistic one dimensional historical claims drives dangerous political agenda's. I very much look forward to your video on the Difaquane.
The Voortrekkers have already fought against Mzilikazi, the king of N'debele that was previously the best general of Shaka until they parted in amicable terms. Sotho nations "hired" the Voortrekkers to stop him.
Note that all previous conflicts between the Dutch/Boers and indigenous tribes were not an all-out struggle for survival, Mzilikazi just surrended and went away , the chief of cattle raiders was released , so the massacre of Weening was something really unheard for them.
It's frustrating thinking about how bloody greedy the English were. My forefathers worked really hard establishing their republics and the british just trots along like a gluttonous swine annexing, annexing, annexing. They really could've granted the Boer/Afrikaners a land to call their own. But I believe they were affraid of fierce competition. The history shows how tough and resilient the boers were and could've easily become a world superpower and run the british into the ground.
Impossible they had no where near the technology
@@whyareusobad3528 they also didn't have it in the Boer war and won the Britsh with what they had , a mere 48 000 Boers ordinary farmers defeated 450 000 highly trained British soldiers in the first war before the second war when the Brits fought the Boer woman and children to won a war .
The boers until today are a very tough people. They don't take nonsense
"Zo van onze als van hunne zyde". This means that the Zulus had firearms. And in the end, "to our spite, they ran so fast that we had to pursue them in all directions". The English translation is incomplete. But the video is great.
When Dengaan massacred Piet Retief's party, as far as I know, he beat fathers to death in front of their sons before killing the sons.
Yes, nearly correct. The only thing I will change will be to use a timeline to give you a better indication of what happened. The Mfecane started much earlier - about 30 years early. The Bantu people never lived in the areas called highveld. Khoisan lived there but died after three smallpox at the end of 1700. You do not mention the number of Zulu's and Voortrekkers (20,000 vs 480). Mpande awarded old Khoisan lands to the Boers since nobody lived there. Swazi are the same as Zulu - both were Nguni. Boers had good relations with Swazi people, but both had problems with Pedi cattle thieves. Pedi was a splinter tribe who broke away from the Tswana kingdom in Botswana. Paul Kruger, Swazi as well as Venda people fought with Pedi, in the north of Transvaal. Sekekuneland was acknowledged as Pedi land.
Yas you pronounce Zulu correctly unlike other channels I’ve watched lol
FUN FACT: The Zulu account of the battle of blood river. The Zulu said there were the white people with their wagons they were fighting, and also there were white people in the clouds shooting the Zulu from above.
Link please this is interesting
Yes and also the Zulus were planning to attack the Voortrekkers at Blood River during the night but according to some Zulu warrior witnesses there was a white light/mist surrounding the ox wagon laager which made it difficult for them to see anything before them. They also saw people dressed in white or something descending from the sky to the laager and then rising again to the sky continuously. It eas then they decided to attack the next day rather than the night
They were at the steeper slope near the river, also remember they had to cross a river while ducking live fire.
And this is not taught in schools in South Africa.
Nothing....
Oh and the English are the worst.
I know from my Dutch side that as soon as gold and diamonds were discovered, they knew the British would soon show up to "claim" it. Oh look! The redcoats are coming!
@Jormangandur83 - London being taken over by non-British people also puts a smile on my face.
Hilbert, just a side note, when reading isiZulu words "t" is the hard t sound and "th" is the soft t sound
Thank you! I'll keep this in mind for the next time I come across a Zulu word!
I am African American but a decent chunk of my white British side of the family actually immigrated to south africa and now lives around Eastern Cape and Kwa-Zulu Natal.
The Modern Stoic It’s very hard to commit genocide nowadays what with the police and army keeping us all at home.
Dit is een leuk video. Ik vind Zuid Afrikaanse geschiedenis heel interessant maar het is jammer dat ik dit niet op school heb geleerd.
How did the Boers interact with the Hottentots . . . ?
That is pretty cool they “circled the wagons” like cowboys and Indians.
Love this south africa history
Great video, very informative
Interesting parallel at the same time to the other Dutch immigrants that traveled across the western plains in the states and we're sometimes attacked by natives as well
Really cool to learn more about the Boers :)
It's interesting how they fought together in the end against the British
Bedankt voor nog een fantastische video, Hilbert. Zou je een video kunnen maken over de Bataafse Republiek (1795-1806)? Het is een onderwerp dat maar weinig mensen kennen.
Brilliant Afrikaans pronunciation for a foreigner, well done.
Would you consider doing a video on the history of "Apartheid" sometime in the future?
I can already imagine comment section.
I am a descendant of 2 of the original 7 Dutch settlers. I'm also the great-niece of a linguistics expert. Your clicks are amazing.
Why are Afrikaners and Boers such great athletes and physically large?
We are genetically comprised of all the "hard ass" sections of Europe, the Dutch are also big tall people and the Dutch that came here didn't come to make cheese😉
South African history is very fascinating
Does the name boer have any connection to the dutch word for farmer? Which is also boer.
TimoS1998 yup indeed. That’s the origin. Probably because most of the settlers who came over were farmers
The Voortrekker Boers were of several different ancestries, not just Dutch. Though South African Dutch (Afrikaans) was their language.
Zulu and Boers:
War*
Britain 🇬🇧 enters chat*
Zulu and Boers:
*awkwardly nod in agreement and whip the Brits (at least initially. 😂)
Another great video Hilbert! I really enjoyed your video, keep up the great work!
Wow, first time I see a vid on South African history with perfect pronunciations on the historical South African names.
Quite nice. God save ya!
I'm german, and I understand afrikaans way better than dutch.
fun fact to mention is that "boer" or "boers" is dutch and in english it means "farmer" or "farmers".
when you keep that in mind, the whole story looks more like the birtish were fighting just farmers.
I'm a BOER or I want to be 1 when I grow up so I'm gonna study farming politics and law and I'll do history in my spare time I like history
Heel interessant, bedankt voor het maken.