Trident 68 Recording/Mixing Console Review (1 Year Later)
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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has it been a year already?! .. wow .. time flies when you're getting old ;P
Same thoughts here ✋️😅
A few years back I picked up a Toft ATB 24, one of the first 100 made (according to the serial number). I have always known Mr Toft made Tridents but I’ve never actually seen a Trident 68 close up.
I tried not to blink too hard because I would mistake the 2. Looks like all the same features, routing, number of line in/outs, etc.
I’m quite sure the Trident at $17500 is better built than the Toft (we all know the reputation Tofts got), but thankfully I was able to zero in that replacing the switches in the Toft solved the majority of its problems.
Anyways thanks so much for sharing……makes me appreciate what I have but still salivate over the Trident!
I like your son being the smart union boss in moving that console. 10/10
Triton doesn't get enough love man. Great sounding boards. Especially for rock and heavier stuff.
Hard to believe it’s been a year! Love Trident 🖤
I saw this video pop up and thought, "this is the video I wish Andrew would make!" Then I clicked on it and thought it was an interview of you only to remember a few seconds later that this is your 2nd channel lol. Thanks for this man!
@@Dm-on-Tele.gram.itsstudiotime discuss what? That you're a scammer?
Sounds amazing
Back in 2015 while in audio engineering school we recorded to a 16 track tape and mixed using a Trident. I didn't get to use it a lot but it seemed like a really well built board. At that time I was longing to record on the schools Avid console using the API preamps and doing my mixing in the box. Today I have a small Allen & Heath mixer in my home studio that collects dust. Most of what I mix now is pre recorded. When I do record in studio (rarely) it's usual just vocals and guitar and those are recorded through the Motu 1248. I will be moving to Japan soon and building a new studio. If I decide to rent a space instead of just doing a home studio I may need a larger console. Trident is on the list. Thank you very much for providing such an excellent overview!
Cheers,
Greg
Love the new channel and the content!
Appreciate it!
Good video and info. I’ve been exploring the console option.
FINALLY...thanks for putting another episode together. The Trident sounds really good. When are we getting another mix session episode?
I remember being super happy and excited for you, it's been so cool watching you build such a cool brand! Plus, I've learned A LOT from you!
Appreciate that, thank you for following along!
Thanks Andrew for sharing. By the way the mix sound great coming across UA-cam.
I am reminded how much I had to deal with db25 plugs in my Texas studio setup. Because of that I wanted simplicity this time. Using a StudioLive 16 series 3, while it doesn’t have as many sockets as your trident, ( and not analog) it’s just so much quicker and has quality motorised faders too. Glad to see you enjoy your beastly setup :).
Reminds me of that Toft ATB i drooled over for years back in the day
Well done.
would love a more detailed video on using returns from DAW. im trying to figure it out.
You likely had this in the chamber for a video, but this is EXACTLY what I asked for in the Facebook group when you were asking for suggestions on videos. Loved every minute of this!
Great suggestion! I wanted to put some thought into it and cover everything!
@@itsstudiotimewhat’s the Facebook group? 👀
where is the facebook group?
As someone that has a rack full of Daking Pres, which are based on Trident A Range, I am wondering how these pres compare.
Maybe if you have any local buddies that have Daking, you could do a shootout the pres.
I hate working without a console. It's just easier to get a mix up and running, and the workflow is logical (to me) For those looking for affordable, so many good used options. I have a 24 channel D&R Orion which has 72 inputs on mix down and probably costs maybe € or $3-5k. I also have an MCI JH-618 that needs a service and install. But whenever I have to work ITB, it drives me nuts.
Enjoyed your thoughts on the T-68, I own the T-88 and I do understand your excitement over your console. I like being Hybrid as well and I notice what you disliked about putting your controller on your desk, had the same problem, the only thing that helped me was a roll around cart to hold the controller, handy!
Again enjoyed the video on your workflow and console description!
Excellent overview Andrew. I mix in the box these days but still have my old Mackie 8 buss that I use strictly for summing my keyboards. I have gotten used to mixing with an Avid Artist Mix, but I still really miss the tactile aspect of mixing with a console for sure.
I miss my old 24.8 buss Mackie sometimes.
I miss my Allen and Heath cmc24 and grabbing faders so I got the softube console+fader thing and it definitely scratches the itch.
good style of presentation - articulate and organized - glad you are happy with it - it seems to be a semi-in line console -
I have an Audient 4816SE console (which is an in line console) that I have had for a year. I like it very much. Fun to have a console.
Can you give us some links to albums that you have produced over the last year?
I would love to learn more about how the patch bay was designed and setup.
Congrats! I must say though, I can also boost 30db of fabfilter EQ on some instruments and it sounds great :) At this point a desk is not "better" or worse for sound quality for mixing.
Awesome, I didn't know that trident was still in business.
Woah, I can’t believe it’s already been a year!
Your hand moving by that coffee cup had me nervous 😵💫
gotta say that kick and snare (especially ) is sweeet sounding. I'm seein the Lauten snare mic. very nice, What preamp was the snare going thru,
What you're looking for is an Audient ASP8024-HE console with the producer desk in the middle... 😉
sounds good is the first step I suppose The drums do sound good on here.
My school just sold 1 defect 16 channels for part and one nearly perfect condition 24 channel to some fellow students building a studio for 700 dollars....... Deal of a lifetime that
Great console, sorry to see it go. I have had the same conundrum. Record vs mix space. I can't even decide on the UF8 because I'll lose space for my keyboards. To each their own.....By the by routing functionality doesn't change by definition: the console. Its still an inline. Its like an SSL 9K vs. an Allen & Heath. The SSL destroys it for routing possibilities; it doesn't make the Heath any less an inline. Maybe just not the inline you want or need. Thanks for the vids! I like this second channel. When is the pod cast coming back?
Awesome video and console but dude you scared me to death with your cup of coffee 😂😂
I think you have over 56 channels at mixdown. According to the manual, page 8, the "monitor inputs" are assigned to the L/R bus through the "MON LEVEL" knob present on every channel. So either i'm wrong, or you may have a good surprise ahead of you 🙂
I have myself an Oram console, way cheaper and true inline. Did you consider his products?
Is Toft consoles still around? Basically a trident
When you use external preamps.. does the console itself still add any type of color to the signal?.. or is all just the preamp?
That’s a great question. I never did a super thorough test of that, but my sense is that the effect is very little.
Did you have to add ventilation to your studio for this console? I’m looking to acquire one myself :)
Nope, no additional power, or a/c ventilation required.
I’d love to hear from folks that have used this console and the SSL XL Desk and how they compare. There are features of each that look really appealing.
different style, ssl is very modern sounding, trident is generally more old school
Andrew, it’s your new channel?)
How much color/saturation/nonlinearity do you feel that this console imparts vs an SSL Duality/AWS or an Audient ASP4816?
Definitely has a color to it that’s really nice. I’ve never used an audient product.
@@itsstudiotime I appreciate the feedback! If I get a chance to use one of the Audient consoles, I'll try to give you my thoughts on it.
Does the routing on the 78 or 88 actually do the ‘real’ split/inline? They also call it like that. But now I don’t know anymore.
All of the models have the same split/in-line routing.
Thanks for answering 🙌
If you don’t mind me asking, how much did you end up spending on cabling to get your 68 set up?
I ask because one of the recurring things I’ve heard from folks about mixing consoles is that you have to plan ahead for a substantial bill to connect everything and wanted to get a better idea of what that looks like in real life.
Always a consideration when looking at your overall console budget. I believe Andrew mentioned he used [27] DB-25 cables to access all points of the console. If you were to say get 20' Mogami DB25 cables, you'd have to factor in the extra ~$6000 USD into your budget.
@@zackoval thank you!
I feel like there must be a video I haven’t seen that talks about setting the board up, I’ll check for it.
It's more than that once you consider the actual patchbays. It can be a lot more
@@zackoval That sounds quite high to me. Setting up my Trident 78 24ch I only spent $1800 CAD on cabling. 27 DB25 to 1/4" TRS snakes, 25' long at about $65 each.
@emuhunter1
To your point, it entirely depends on the cables you choose. 20' mogami gold db25 to db25 are $220/ea on SW @@jsalvatori
These kind of consoles are called SPLINTCONSOLE (kombination of split and inline console).
I saw you’re selling it
Council? Or console?
Had a toft atb,sold it ,not enough gain on the mic pre's ,noisy.
Here is a question (about to cause controversy)....if people say software is just as good as analog gear..... why is it that you see mostly analog gear in professional studios especially in mastering studios? To me you can hear the difference but why wouldn't Sony Studios just get rid of all its analog gear and just offer software for tracking and mixing if there really was no difference?
You're wild for sitting and talking with your hands in front of your coffee at the console.
Man you make me nervous with that coffee mug sitting so close to the console 😮😮....be careful.
But what are you gonna do when Mr. Byrd finds a buyer, WE GOTTA KNOW
I'm scared watching you swing your arm around wildly with your drink sitting there right in the line of fire 😂
you could have called the segment : Trident Tested. but hey
visiting this after watching ---analog board is gone
I’m not sure I understand the comments about it not being a true “in-line” console. “You cannot have a mic input and line input going simultaneously” isn’t entirely true. The mic/line signals can go to the 2-bus, your groups, or any of your auxes. Simultaneously, monitor inputs can go to the 2-bus and optionally auxes 5/6. Not many control or routing options, but it’s fine for most tracking situations.
I’ve got a couple of similarly laid out consoles. Direct outputs go to my AD. DA goes to the channel monitor inputs. Line inputs are normalled to my outboard preamps, but can be patched to additional DA for more channels on mixdown. DAW feeds the monitor returns during tracking, and I hit the I/P reverse when I’m ready to mix.
Right. On a true inline console you would have a second line input amp before the fader. This Allows you to use the preamp and mic input to send to your D/A and return your mix on the same channel, at the same time. This console does not do that, which is why they call it “split/in-line”
Hmm. So the monitor inputs on each 8-channel bank aren’t controlled by the MON level/pan knobs on each channel? It looks like it’d be the typical big fader/small fader setup on most other inline consoles. Asking because I’ve been considering these to replace my main desk.
@@itsstudiotime historically, in-line designs usually send the monitor inputs to the 2-bus. If I get what you’re saying, your preferred workflow would be to have the monitor inputs mixed with the mic/line inputs at the big fader?
Okay I understand what you’re saying, If you use the 8 group monitor faders as your monitor faders then you’re using the console in split monitoring mode. Which is not inline, but a perfectly functional way to work.
If it was fully in-line you could have 24 channels of inputs going to DAW and 32 returns for mixing simultaneously without flipping your I/P reverse.
@@itsstudiotime let me see if I can clarify:
From what I’m reading in the manual, you have a mic input, line input, and monitor input per channel. Mic and line are sent to the big fader by default. Monitor input is sent to the small fader (err, knob). I/P flip swaps that arrangement. This is the flow of pretty much every inline console I’ve had my hands on.
On a 24 channel board, this leaves you with a max of 56 returns on mixdown if you don’t count aux returns and such:
-24 channel monitor inputs (controlled by monitor knob)
-24 line inputs (controlled by big fader)
- 8 master monitor inputs
I like how you must have got it as it has your name on it, just change your Christian name to Auxillery.
So, it’s a mixing console you’re not mixing on. Useful just for tracking, then
SELL IT!!! LOL
Audient 4816 inline?