Plato vs. Machiavelli on Political Philosophy

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  • @Crashing_CSS
    @Crashing_CSS Рік тому +17

    Never have I ever felt and been in peace after a lecture. I dont know but Prof Kreeft's peaceful and spiritual energy just transcended through this youtube barrier and put me in this zen mood---- grateful for his existence. He makes it easy.

  • @shadowfax4592
    @shadowfax4592 Рік тому +192

    I am obsessed with these lectures after having been an undergraduate theology student for a few years. It also supplements my Jesuit education from high school. I can't find anything like this on youtube or anywhere else. I am so thankful for Word on Fire Institute, as a member!! Thank you Dr. Peter Kreeft!!!!

    • @Theodelic
      @Theodelic Рік тому

      Try @PhilosophyforthePeople or Philosophy for the People. They have some great guys over there explaining basic concepts in Catholic philosophy and secular philosophy as well.

    • @matthewwilkinson2170
      @matthewwilkinson2170 Рік тому +8

      These + Jordan B Cooper’s makers of the modern world + Michael Sugrue Philosophy series + John Vervaeke’s awakening from the meaning crisis + Jonathan Pageau’s Universal History… and baby you got a stew goin

    • @dachurchofeppie850
      @dachurchofeppie850 Рік тому +2

      I’d recommend Arthur Holmes from Wheatland College.

    • @Eusebeia7
      @Eusebeia7 Рік тому

      I am a 72yo INJF Pentecostal fundamentalist originally trained in biology, medicine, and pediatrics. Plato's Cave is atheistic scientific materialism taught in school.
      1) Evolution is false on an eighth-grade rational man level. The evolutionary theory fits into the exact shape of a classic snow cone just replace the ice chips with new species and positive mutations which do not exist but should be commonplace. At the point of the snow cone is the "origins of life" which after over fifty years they do not have a mechanism for a self-replicating protein. The canning industry puts all the parts into a can billions of times a year and depends on neo-biogenesis not occurring. Information science shows that DNA can only degrade. Currently, we are in the sixth extinction crisis, that of large animals such as the lion, cheetah, and giraffe. Extinction crises are not predicted by the evolutionary theory but rather more and more new species. Creation is an upside-down snow cone that is devolving through entropy to the extinction of the biosphere just as we are seeing. The computer modelers of biological systems cannot reproduce Darwinian Evolution using Darwin's parameters either. This gives evolutionary psychology and especially psychiatric theory a false foundation. God bless you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Kent J. Nauman ex-MD (axis I schizophrenia (chronic))
      2) ua-cam.com/video/fk4YqPtvJao/v-deo.html which is Under The Dome - Full Documentary
      3) ua-cam.com/video/1TjIyXJoJOw/v-deo.html which is Howard Pittman's Testimony and other YouTubs videos, compare to "Man as a Machine" where the mind is the product of the brain as per the mind-body problem of philosophy
      4) ua-cam.com/video/Xig257v-v8o/v-deo.html which is The Book of Giants (A History of Eugenics) compare to evolutionary theory and Genesis 6.
      5) ua-cam.com/video/vuINhmT3V8Y/v-deo.html which is Nikola Tesla - The secrets hidden in the pyramids of Egypt compare to Genesis 6:16 A window (Zohar, inflatable light source) shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. and ua-cam.com/video/3yS03x3j71Y/v-deo.html which is newearth 038 When the Atlantis survivors wake up, pt 38 (Russian Archeology)
      6) ua-cam.com/video/aDRj3MsNNO0/v-deo.html which is September 23, 2017 - Part 1: The Revelation 12 Sign - Unlocking Daniel's Sealed Prophecies by God's Roadmap to the End compare to Bullinger's the Witness of the Stars.
      7) No one has to struggle with sin instead pray specific sanctification prayers over yourself in the name of Jesus Christ. Here is a starter list that I come into agreement with you on in the name of Jesus Christ. 1) Psalms 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Psalms 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Psalms 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. 2) Psalms 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 3) Psalms 119:133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me. 4) John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 5) John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 6) Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; 7) Prayer and tithing go together like water and cement powder this is based on Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven (REVELATION), and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. and Act 10:4 And when he (Cornelius) looked on him (the angel), he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a MEMORIAL before God.
      The following prayer is not in the Bible, as far as I know, but is based on John 16:13. This prayer works well for condemning thoughts in your head that are actually demonic revelations. Pray to God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for a Holy Spirit block in your head to stop the devil or any of his evil spirits from talking to you that you only want to talk with and obey the Holy Spirit. This prayer cleaned out my head really well about 35 years ago.
      Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh (5 senses) do mind the things of the flesh (5 senses); but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded (5 senses) is death (separation from God like Adam did); but to be spiritually minded is life (G2222, Zoe, like together with God) and peace.
      Download E-sword which is free at www.e-sword.net/downloads.html
      The best study bible is in the public domain, Ethyl Bert Bullinger's Companion Bible. Here is a sample of his work levendwater.org/companion/append164.html while the best places to start reading and praying the Bible over yourself are John chapters 14-17 and the church epistles which are Romans through Thessalonians.
      A very simple yet lovely book is Bullinger's Witness of the Stars, which explains that the first Bible was the Zodiac before men's memories deteriorated to the point that God had to give Moses a written Bible. The paper version is the best because of the map at the very back which you should pull out before you start reading the book. www.google.com/search?q=bullinger+witness+of+the+stars&oq=Bullinger%27s+Wit&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30.9354j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    • @str.77
      @str.77 Рік тому +1

      ​​@@Eusebeia7 Do you mean Plato's parable of the Cave is atheism/materialism or that the actual cave in that parable is? The 2nd is correct. All too many young (and old people) are locked up in a materialist whole, doped by video games. Any idealistic notion are then poisoned by identity politics and the alphabet mafia.
      However, I cannot agree that Evolution is 8th grade false- maybe just a variation dumbed down to 8th grade, in which it supposedly explains the origin of life (it doesn't and never claimed that).

  • @apollosgadfly
    @apollosgadfly Рік тому +33

    The phrase that converted me to philosophy completely was Plato’s “Phaedo”, in which Socrates says, “The study of philosophy is preparation for death and dying.” It struck me so strongly that I changed my whole major just because of it. I have never regretted it.

    • @socrateswithinabrownbear
      @socrateswithinabrownbear Рік тому

      Did Socrates really say this? I have read Montaigne when he quoted Cicero on this and that Cicero had Socrates in mind.

    • @usernamesmike
      @usernamesmike Місяць тому

      Socrates has no writings , only through word his teachings were passed down . Plato used Socrates as a character in his writings.

  • @user-gs4oi1fm4l
    @user-gs4oi1fm4l Рік тому +61

    One semester of business ethics at my state university did not provide a single paragraphs worth of wisdom that was offered by this man's lecture. What an amazing presentation.

    • @rafffa26
      @rafffa26 Рік тому +2

      Probably because there isnt too much ethics in doing business. Examples abound of that as an oximoron.

    • @user-gs4oi1fm4l
      @user-gs4oi1fm4l Рік тому +1

      @@rafffa26 it was held in the humanities department by one of the philosophy professors

  • @iqgustavo
    @iqgustavo Рік тому +24

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:28 📜 Plato's philosophy is foundational; he asked significant questions and provided classic answers.
    01:23 📚 Plato's dialogues are engaging and psychologically profound, teaching self-knowledge and logical reasoning.
    02:32 🏛️ "The Republic" is a profound work covering justice, ethics, politics, human nature, and metaphysics.
    03:42 📚 Plato's writings, including "The Republic," can have transformative impacts on readers' lives.
    05:47 🌍 Comparing Plato's "The Republic" and Machiavelli's "The Prince" is like comparing different worlds.
    07:55 🧠 Plato's anthropology explains the three powers of the soul: reason, spirited will, and desires.
    09:23 🏛️ Plato's just state has three classes: rulers with wisdom, enforcers with courage, and abiders with moderation.
    11:03 🎓 Plato's Academy established liberal arts education that aimed for knowledge and not just career success.
    12:26 👑 Plato favored aristocracy by the wise, while Machiavelli introduced practical political pragmatism.
    14:21 🌌 Plato's theory of Forms (Ideas) asserts objective realities as standards, impacting ethics, epistemology, and metaphysics.
    16:56 🕊️ The divine presence and Christ's wisdom resonate within Plato's metaphysical framework.
    18:45 🌍 The stark contrast between Plato's "The Republic" and Machiavelli's "The Prince" defines their philosophical approaches.
    21:13 👥 Machiavelli's political philosophy disregards innate moral virtue, emphasizing power, materialism, and nominalism.
    23:48 📜 Machiavelli's focus on practical success over ethics marked the foundation of modern political philosophy.
    25:14 🏆 Unlike Plato, Machiavelli considers success as the criterion for goodness and morality in societies.
    26:53 🌐 Machiavelli's principles apply to both individual rulers and broader political entities, impacting democracy as well.
    27:20 📜 Machiavelli's concept of success is based on efficient causality and force, not moral ideals or final causality.
    28:02 💡 Machiavelli's image of success involves conquering fortune through force, similar to Francis Bacon's idea of man's conquest of nature.
    29:11 🌍 Machiavelli and Bacon use strikingly similar images of hitting and beating in their descriptions of achieving success through applied science and force.
    30:06 🤔 Modern philosophy has moved away from final and formal causes, focusing on material and efficient causes due to their compatibility with science.
    31:16 🎭 Machiavelli contrasts Plato's idealism by emphasizing practicality and reality in political philosophy.
    32:11 🌟 Machiavelli's principle of foresight and mental power over physical power is consistent with ancient wisdom found in other traditions.
    33:47 💔 Machiavelli's argument that it's better to be feared than loved is based on the idea of controlling fear as opposed to relying on unpredictable love.
    34:56 🎭 Machiavelli advises rulers to prioritize appearances over reality, highlighting the importance of controlled perception.
    35:39 💡 Machiavelli's cynicism about ruling and virtue contrasts with Plato's emphasis on wisdom and virtue.
    36:47 🕊️ Plato's wisdom and virtue are exemplified by Socrates, whose legacy transcends death, while Machiavelli's examples of success ended in misery.
    37:31 🌓 Plato's realism encompasses both good and evil, while Machiavelli's philosophy lacks the full understanding of human nature.
    38:14 📚 Plato's notion that goodness triumphs over evil resonates in works like "The Lord of the Rings," highlighting the profitability of righteousness.
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    • @paulvalentine4157
      @paulvalentine4157 Рік тому +1

      wow

    • @ganpati.143-
      @ganpati.143- 11 місяців тому +1

      💎 ❤

    • @angrypidgeon1714
      @angrypidgeon1714 Місяць тому

      Plato has only a fundamentally naive and warped sense of reality. Proof: in his cave metaphor he mentions nothing of killing the puppeteers, or joining them, which is generally what everyone "enlightened" does. Which is the principal cause of wars actually. How could he missed that except if he was a dumass. Or maybe he was as any court jester only uttering what pleases. Also Machiavelli got himself tortured for all his wisdom lol

  • @user-lz6dm5lk9y
    @user-lz6dm5lk9y Рік тому +7

    What an inspiring scholar and philosopher! I wish I had had the chance to study with Prof. Kreeft in my youth. Thank you for posting these wonderful lectures. You bring both clarity and comfort to corners you cannot possibly imagine. 💝

  • @mathiusq9128
    @mathiusq9128 Рік тому +11

    Peter Kreeft is a treasure for the whole world

  • @joelmontero9439
    @joelmontero9439 Рік тому +77

    I love these lectures man Dr. Kreeft is just amazing, God bless him, you can feel his true love for philosophy

    • @trentw.3566
      @trentw.3566 Рік тому

      I like his talks but am wary of his outlook .

    • @cinikcynic3087
      @cinikcynic3087 Рік тому

      @@trentw.3566 Approved. His outlook is extremely culturally limited.

    • @trentw.3566
      @trentw.3566 Рік тому +1

      @@cinikcynic3087 One might say it's exuberantly delusive, wonderful that he gets such energy from it, but we are supposed to be grappling with the truth and not evading it.

  • @taywil64A
    @taywil64A Рік тому +20

    Very intellectually stimulating. Dr Kreeft can convey complex topics in very a understandable and engaging way.

  • @leoteng1640
    @leoteng1640 Рік тому +7

    I’m also in awe of these lectures. When Dr Kreeft makes profound comparison between these philosophers and with the injection of Christ, it illuminated our understanding further. Thank you Dr Kreeft 🙏🏼

  • @TylerMcConnell
    @TylerMcConnell Рік тому +61

    “Advertising is the world’s oldest profession. It was invented in the Garden of Eden by Machiavelli’s father.” 😂 Fantastic lecture, Doctor. Thank you! ❤

    • @elvinmartz196
      @elvinmartz196 Рік тому

      Advertise against men's true purpose, using any means necessary but most importantly men's weakness WOMEN'S lol

    • @Crashing_CSS
      @Crashing_CSS Рік тому

      can you elaborate that--- I could not understand.

    • @camerond424
      @camerond424 10 місяців тому

      So savage

    • @Contra.Mundum.
      @Contra.Mundum. 6 місяців тому

      ​@@Crashing_CSSHis father is satan

    • @RickensWalterOtieno
      @RickensWalterOtieno 3 місяці тому

      😂😂😂
      Image is everything

  • @jaybailleaux630
    @jaybailleaux630 Рік тому +12

    I find it amazing how people can be very successful and happy with no knowledge of philosophy. I do believe philosophy would help everyone. It should be taught in public schools . It would need to be worded and simplified at grade school level.

  • @dachurchofeppie850
    @dachurchofeppie850 Рік тому +5

    About 5 years ago i was stating that philosophy was more important than science to my friend’s quizzical looks.
    Happy to see it getting some traction. Lord knows we need some wisdom.

  • @dylanschweitzer18
    @dylanschweitzer18 Рік тому +3

    As someone who is finally dipping their toe into philosophy, these lectures are a fascinating well to dive into 🥰

  • @1The1Sun1Teacher1
    @1The1Sun1Teacher1 Рік тому +11

    Excellent lecture series. One obstacle for enjoyment is the constant loop of water and birds in the background. To establish a tone of tranquility, it would suffice for it to be noticed at the beginning and then faded out shortly thereafter. When I concentrate and my hearing opens up, the birds and water clash at times with Keeft's words making them like noise and throwing me out of a student's meditative state for learning. Please remove this background noise or at the very least, do not include it with following lecture productions. Classrooms don't have artificial water and bird noises for a reason. :)

    • @bachamadu2076
      @bachamadu2076 Рік тому +5

      It's as though they are trying so hard to attract listeners. Such is not the way though! These lectures will catch fire on its own without these backround music.

    • @flipgsp
      @flipgsp Рік тому +1

      I like those sounds and I demand that they leave them and continue using them!! 😂 Hmm who will they listen to. You or me? Quite the dilemma.

    • @proxima3544
      @proxima3544 Рік тому

      ​@@flipgsp 😂not really

    • @justforrfunnn
      @justforrfunnn Рік тому

      @@flipgspLOL I love the bg sound too 😂

  • @anniebanderet
    @anniebanderet Рік тому +20

    Love his description of the Logos. Another stellar lecture!!!

    • @alfredcoha673
      @alfredcoha673 Рік тому +1

      The word LOGOS, it's albanian or illyrian or pelasgian it's the same.
      Log, it is called the place where men gathered for assembly, for discussion, even today in the Albanian mountains in the north it has remained as a tradition, everyone can study this now. I say this because I am also a former student of Political Science, and we discussed it with the professors. Without knowing the Albanian language, no foreigner here understands, we Albanians are the living heirs of the old Greeks or more precisely of the Pelasgians. Old Greek is Albanian, or today's Albanian is a descendant of Pelasgian, while today's Greek has nothing to do with the Greek of Socrates, Plato or Aristotle.

  • @iloveyellow7214
    @iloveyellow7214 Рік тому +5

    These kinds of videos here in the chanell is like water to my parched throat.
    Thanks for sharing this 😘 have a great rest of the day

  • @dixonbuttes
    @dixonbuttes Рік тому

    This was an excellent lecture. Dr. Kreeft is really engaging.
    This idea of doing a “vs” is super interesting too, I’ve never seen it done that way.

  • @gnosticmonk2019
    @gnosticmonk2019 Рік тому +1

    Bravo! Will be watching more! Thank you for the fantastically clear explanation.

  • @samsontesfay1
    @samsontesfay1 Рік тому +1

    My deepest appreciation to you Dr. Kreeft

  • @Babbajune
    @Babbajune Рік тому +9

    I enjoyed this presentation ❤ Thank you!

  • @8028rsj
    @8028rsj Рік тому +2

    So brilliant !!! I am so much richer for hearing Dr Kreefts' lecture.

  • @ifegwuekeinyima9062
    @ifegwuekeinyima9062 Рік тому +1

    This teaching is helping me to understand more of myself thankyou

  • @vfigueroa3042
    @vfigueroa3042 Рік тому +1

    I was drawn to his writings at seminary. Now I remember why - brilliant, humbling.

  • @cesaremarzo8247
    @cesaremarzo8247 Рік тому +6

    Priceless lecture, clear, concise, touching. Thank you so much professor Kreeft

  • @Flower_peace
    @Flower_peace Рік тому

    Truly stimulation I wish I heard this during undergrad, thank you for sharing

  • @TheMustachioedJames
    @TheMustachioedJames Рік тому +9

    30:17 I like the comparison of Machiavelli's push from behind and below to Plato's pull from the Logos. One thing, though: The push from behind must come from the past/is backward-looking. In Machiavelli's view, we move forward not because we are attracted by the Good, but because we are harried by either our betters or our own notions and harrying of other men. He thinks the forward-looking pull to the Logos is imaginary. Well, of course it is: All the future for man is imagined. Every goal we have is imagined in the future, it must be: The past is lost to those of us not equipped with time machines. All the past can do for us, then, is give us examples and peel away that which does not work. A Good in the past can only serve as a forward-looking model for what we imagine will be the outcomes of our own actions in the present. Thus, I find Machiavelli's view both true and superfluous. Man is always making decisions based on what he believes to be the Good, we are pulled in its direction because we cannot be "pushed" from an utterly impotent and inaccessible past. All our pondering of the Good within the past, all our job experience, can only model for us what our future might be if we perform a given action in the present (The present being the only place anyone can do anything). We are powerless to use it otherwise.
    If the world and man's place in it is compared to a man in a boat, drifting down a river toward a waterfall, then Machiavelli proposes that man's focus ought to be on preparing the boat as well as possible for the conditions of the water based on his experience of the various twists and bends up the river behind him. Plato, on the other hand, asks whether the direction of the river is good for the man at all, and understands that rivers might be crossed (no pun intended) as well as traversed.
    Hell is what pushes us from behind. Christians believe that Satan is the prince of this world, and this gives him power over it. But it also ties him to it. The Logos stands across time, it is the model for those in any present, as that is the only place we can ever find ourselves. And because this Good exists in the future as well, as it will for all time, as perfect now as it was a billion years ago, it is the only thing that could possibly be within our reach.

  • @natelay7244
    @natelay7244 2 місяці тому

    Fantastic video. So clear and easy to follow. Thank you

  • @bachamadu2076
    @bachamadu2076 Рік тому +5

    Please WORD ON FIRE drop the background music. Dr. Kreeft's lectures are not Poetry lessons. Or at least keep merely the waterfall sound but pls do eliminate the lullaby music. Thank you.
    God bless you n Dr. Kreeft!!

  • @SubhanNadeem-wd6kt
    @SubhanNadeem-wd6kt 14 днів тому

    Absolutely Brilliant !!!

  • @minzawnichols3895
    @minzawnichols3895 Рік тому +1

    I love Dr. Kreeft lectures. {What does a profit a man if he gains the whole world and suffer the lost of his own soul}

  • @ingeniumnatura
    @ingeniumnatura 2 місяці тому

    incredibly insightful and moving

  • @Platos-Den
    @Platos-Den 9 місяців тому

    BRAVO my wise man. Enjoyed your presentation.

  • @jadestock17
    @jadestock17 Рік тому +2

    Excellence in Presentation, to understand one, it must be clearly contrasted with another. Just as the brilliance of a bright color stands out most against a dark background.

  • @citizenzeus1684
    @citizenzeus1684 3 місяці тому

    Eloquent and old school. A polished diamond in tarnished times.

  • @marilynmelzian7370
    @marilynmelzian7370 Рік тому +4

    The most illuminating thing that the professor said was in calling attention to the titles of the major works of the two philosophers: the republic, which is addressed to all, and the prince, which is addressed only to the tyrant.

  • @healingheartsandsouls1019
    @healingheartsandsouls1019 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Dr. Kreeft 🙏

  • @localremedy
    @localremedy Рік тому

    Thankyou for this presentation.

  • @sumitbharti7062
    @sumitbharti7062 Рік тому

    Excellent, Brilliant , Fantanstic ❤❤

  • @LadyDayDreamm
    @LadyDayDreamm Рік тому

    Thanks for the beautiful reading 🩷💭🗨️🩵🌠

  • @traviswadezinn
    @traviswadezinn Рік тому

    Very engaging consideration - thank you

  • @burstangel
    @burstangel Рік тому +2

    I would absolutely love to see Peter kreeft have a conversation with John vervake!

  • @2012photograph
    @2012photograph Рік тому

    Interesting knowledge to end one evening.

  • @johnkalbert2014
    @johnkalbert2014 Рік тому +2

    Thank you Jesus

  • @johnbrion4565
    @johnbrion4565 Рік тому

    Thank you for this!

  • @Jessie-w5t
    @Jessie-w5t 2 місяці тому

    Yo this talk is wild bro 🌱🏛👨🏻‍⚖️

  • @muhammadasifkhan4198
    @muhammadasifkhan4198 10 місяців тому

    Fantastic presentation

  • @laurahale9309
    @laurahale9309 2 місяці тому

    Wonderful!!!

  • @missmaxinethompson7407
    @missmaxinethompson7407 Рік тому

    what a Masterpiece 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Hammster99
    @Hammster99 Рік тому +4

    These lectures are making me question why we don't teach philosophy in high school

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Рік тому +1

      It's not so much WHAT is being taught, but HOW it is being taught. I'm so glad that I didn't study philosophy in school, but studied it on my own. For, an advanced soul has his ear open to the Source, and learns that which young souls don't understand and cannot teach properly. This particular lecturer (Dr. Kreeft) is an advanced soul, and he understands. And I'm the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah. (I correspond only through my contact page.)

    • @JakesOutdoorLiving
      @JakesOutdoorLiving Рік тому +1

      @@tomrhodes1629 agreed. I was the same as you. Glad i learned on my own.

  • @muhammadqasimchachar7479
    @muhammadqasimchachar7479 Рік тому

    ڀاءُ شھريار علي! صفا اصل ھيانء جي پاڙن ۾ ھٿ وجھو پيا ماڻھن جي........❤❤❤
    سدائين آباد رھو شال

  • @dynamic9016
    @dynamic9016 Рік тому

    Really appreciate this video.

  • @paysonmarosarioronquillo8229
    @paysonmarosarioronquillo8229 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this❤

  • @meganscott263
    @meganscott263 Місяць тому

    I ‘converted’ to philosophy my freshman year of college after reading Plato’s Republic and converted to Catholicism after much study two years later. St. Socrates, pray for us!

  • @eastudio-K
    @eastudio-K Рік тому

    These are great lectures, thank you

  • @LouielamsonTranNguyen
    @LouielamsonTranNguyen Рік тому

    Absolutely 'The Prince' by Niccolo Machiavelli and its influence on political philosophy have had a significant impact on human society throughout history.

  • @Jarek_73
    @Jarek_73 Рік тому

    It is extremely dense!! Kreeft is a sheer genius unlike most of his listeners like myself. He should delude the mixture a bit and follow one clear path. Explaining different philosophers and on top of that finding connections to Christianity results in extremely complex text which, IMHO, no layman without knowing basics of philosophy and Christianity can fully enjoy.

  • @KaiusKC
    @KaiusKC Рік тому +2

    Lol that emmerson quote. “Plato IS the platonic ideal of philosophy” :^)

  • @ejsomo2020
    @ejsomo2020 11 місяців тому

    Thank you 🙏

  • @blingboxing
    @blingboxing Рік тому

    This was brilliant. Thank you 🙏

  • @clubtercelquebec
    @clubtercelquebec Рік тому

    Very interesting , great voice and rythm too. :)

  • @BKNeifert
    @BKNeifert Рік тому +2

    I've always thought of justice in the Greek Sense. I never once thought of it as only a system of awards and punishments.

  • @tollermaus
    @tollermaus Рік тому +3

    The content of these lectures is excellent and Prof. Kreeft is a wonderful explicator of that content. But, for the love of God, get rid of the music and running water in the background. Those sounds are annoying, unnecessary and highly distracting. WoF usually has such estimable production values that I confess I'm a bit disappointed at these audio foibles. The water sounds like a broken toilet, and it might induce an unfortunate urge to micturate in some listeners.

  • @yohanneshagos8470
    @yohanneshagos8470 Рік тому

    I like the background ❤

  • @fredmiller1358
    @fredmiller1358 Рік тому

    And look how well that all worked out!!!👿👿👿

  • @mark950-d7d
    @mark950-d7d 6 місяців тому

    ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Paul Kreeft outlines the intellectual history of good governance and tyranny for profit. I can clearly understand how people have attempted to use Machiavelli as the lowest common denominator of human nature as a default, then attempt and fail at building a just society. TIK history biography of Karl Marx is a must view.

  • @christophersnedeker
    @christophersnedeker Рік тому

    22:31 Define state though, whether the state is natural or artificial in nature depends on what we mean by the state.

  • @hrabmv
    @hrabmv Рік тому

    thank you so much!!

  • @jaydenwilson9522
    @jaydenwilson9522 6 місяців тому

    38:10 omg this guy is amazing!!!!

  • @deborahjohnson5816
    @deborahjohnson5816 Рік тому +3

    These are excellent lectures. The only downside is the water and music in the background - a bit distracting and sometimes hard to hear the presentation. Otherwise these are quite beneficial

    • @bachamadu2076
      @bachamadu2076 Рік тому

      That's exactly my thought. Haha i'm not alone :))

    • @gaspersignorelli3724
      @gaspersignorelli3724 Рік тому +4

      I love the water and music and Kreeft's bald head shining in a mystical light.

    • @izzypop8228
      @izzypop8228 Рік тому

      P}

    • @flipgsp
      @flipgsp Рік тому +1

      I love it and it's not distracting to me at all. Not a downside for me at all. 😂 What was the point of your comment. Did you want them to immediately say oh no some lady named Deborah doesn't like it. We must re release them without the sounds. Can't have have Deborah unhappy. The world revolves around her opinions. We must not let her down. 😂

  • @mike.t.williams1221
    @mike.t.williams1221 Рік тому

    Jesuit in Carmichael CA. The older I become the more I wish I listened. A way of life...

  • @FerrelFrequency
    @FerrelFrequency Рік тому

    I gotta be honest…when I saw the format, I was thinking…🤔 ummm, I guess I’ll give it 5 minutes.
    This was BROAD,
    This was POINTED,
    This was INTERESTING,
    AND the speaker, format, and substance KEEPS your ATTENTION! 😀
    THIS WAS AWESOME!
    Strips down and BOTTOM LINES the TWO OPPOSING IDEOLOGIES or ways of observing human action/interaction.

  • @nobodynobody4389
    @nobodynobody4389 Рік тому

    Znakomity wywiad o poziom przygotowania pana redaktora zadającego pytanie prof Nowak ponownie pokazuje że jest jednym z niewielu erudytów którzy pozostali na świecie

  • @nastylemonade
    @nastylemonade Рік тому

    The first Academy was in Africa… also a very popular Greek intellectual spent 12 years in Africa to learn lol he stayed at Carthage.

  • @khanduraj
    @khanduraj 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for a very thought-provoking lecture. The times we live in can not ignore the direction humanity is headed with climate change. There is neither Socrates, Jesus, or Machiavelli equal to meet the greatest challenge to face the Earth. There's is no greater truth than that to be cruel is to be kind. Machiavelli has the force of logic and Jesus has the force of love. Logic can never be infallible in the way that fickle love can be. Love is an artifice of nature for procreation. But even in procreation is not there not the life and death tests exacted by nature? The deaths under Napolean and Stalin were tragic and wanton. They were midwives to the birth of different realities. Nature being nature.

  • @leoteng1640
    @leoteng1640 Рік тому +1

    In Genesis 2:17, “you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil”, but Dr Kreeft said we must have knowledge of the good through moral reasoning. Is there a contradiction there?

  • @joethespo
    @joethespo Рік тому

    Superb - but almost ruined by the unnecessary background sound effects

  • @MichaelM-kt2hq
    @MichaelM-kt2hq Рік тому +1

    I loved this...
    so. much.
    Here's another example of these two viewpoints; Sith vs. Jedi. We all know which is which.

  • @percival1137
    @percival1137 3 місяці тому

    This guy is really on Platos nutz.

  • @Philip-uy3bx
    @Philip-uy3bx Рік тому

    Or those Incapable of grasping what is always able to be available for anyone so interested in someone or something other than SELF.

  • @piotrczubryt1111
    @piotrczubryt1111 Місяць тому

    Three phases of Plato's personal development; Pre-Socratic vitalism , Socratic moralizm, Pitagorean idealism. I like the first.

  • @eastudio-K
    @eastudio-K Рік тому

    Is there a lecture about the Trinity? I will filter through the videos

  • @adamreich3228
    @adamreich3228 Рік тому

    Great presentation, so you'll probably dislike me for the following, but I'd just like to point out, without discussing whether Plato or Machiavelli are in fact good or evil, that at 25:00 when mentioning Mother Theresa, I'd say that Mother Therese had, as far as I know, closer to Machiavelli than to Plato. That's not a criticism of Dr. Kreeft's presentation, or of Mother Theresa, as it's obvious Mother Theresa reached her aims - whether with god's help or by exploiting human nature is to decide up to everyone.

  • @feranmiadegun7103
    @feranmiadegun7103 Рік тому +1

    Isn’t the 48 laws of power not just extracts of Machiavelli’s philosophy then?

  • @tie9284
    @tie9284 Рік тому

    A video on my two favourite people ?

  • @michaelyeboah7789
    @michaelyeboah7789 Рік тому

    This deserves a good discussion or debate. Cant say Plato's take is right and Machiavelli's take is wrong or vice versa. To me its only a matter of how and when to utilise either. Sometimes a Plato has to become a Machiavelli dethrone a wicked ruler. And shouldnt remain a Machiavelli after the deed is done. Machiavelli advised that in his book 'The Prince'. This is not a simple 'Plato is right and Machivelli is wrong' type of judgement.

  • @clementgavi7290
    @clementgavi7290 Рік тому +1

    Machiavelli was in Florence at a time when Italy wasn't a unique entity. There were small kingdoms, and there were wars between them and within them. It is in this environment that in 1315, he wrote The Prince. For that purpose, he has read thinkers of that time. The central question he intended to address is what unites a nation?
    Of course, Machiavel has been misinterpreted by the apostles of dictatorship.

    • @str.77
      @str.77 Рік тому +1

      Not even Machiavelli's great great grandfather was born in 1315.
      And no, he has not been misread. If you condone tyranny for a cause you perceive good, then you cannot deny others to do the same, even if their good is just selfish (and they are not the worst set of tyrants). And "uniting the nation" is such a shallow goal.

    • @clementgavi7290
      @clementgavi7290 Рік тому +1

      @st r Indeed. It was a mistake. The Prince is 1513 and not 1315.

  • @johansigg3869
    @johansigg3869 Рік тому

    Kreeft Machiavelli 'N'.... Socracheez is the best I could do

  • @themirrorflattersnot
    @themirrorflattersnot Рік тому +10

    To my knowledge though, Machiavelli was a republican through and through. He wrote The Prince as a cut through, no bullshit guide on how to maintain power as a ruler, and it was more of a job application to the Medici.
    He didn’t want to live under such a prince though.
    Am i wrong?

    • @piushalg8175
      @piushalg8175 Рік тому

      It is rue that Mciavelli was a republican. Yet he longed to serve the state again. And so he was obviously keen to serve even the Medici family who had him tortured for alleged conspiracy.

    • @nickchavez720
      @nickchavez720 Рік тому +1

      So prince is an English translation of an Italian word which means something to Principle: as in the Principle of a State or Executive of State. A very formal way of saying the head of state. So this is meant for anyone who happens to be leader, be they a prince or otherwise.

    • @str.77
      @str.77 Рік тому +2

      ​​@@nickchavez720 Il Principe doesn't mean "Principle" at all. It means, just as the English word "Prince", the first in a community, a ruler, leader. Machiavelli's Prince is not compatible with a free republic.

    • @str.77
      @str.77 Рік тому +1

      @themirrorflattersnot No, you're not wrong.

    • @Faustus_de_Reiz
      @Faustus_de_Reiz Рік тому +2

      It will help if you read Discourses on Livy. Machiavelli was a republican through and through. The Prince has been characterized improperly for years and I have no other explanation than people want to use it as a treatise for their own power grab.

  • @bachamadu2076
    @bachamadu2076 Рік тому +2

    Somebody commented here the notion of Logos, un itself, is different to what the Greeks thought about it.
    Here is my answer:
    In some respect what you said is true. But the real difference is only the difference between WHAT and WHO Logos is. While the Greeks investigated and come close to understand the former, the Hebrew--particularly the New Testament writers especially St. John the Evengelist--knew Logos interms of the latter, the WHO part. So what the Greeks speculated, the New Testament believers affirmed. This is why reason and faith go hand in hand like two longing lovers. The unity of the two is what gives meaning and life. It's the unity of truth and love. And philosophically it's the unity of essence and existence. It's this unity that God shared in a límited way to Greeks i.e. His essence without revealing Who He is until He revealed Himself to Jews in the fullness of time. This is why Christianity, most particularly Catholicism, is the only true religión for it reveals this unique mystery.
    God bless you!!

  • @Thegangsterphilosopher
    @Thegangsterphilosopher Рік тому

    Waooo what a speech

  • @jorgelopez-pr6dr
    @jorgelopez-pr6dr Рік тому +1

    It would be great to see a rap battle between Machiavelli and Confucius.

  • @Kyle-jv8qx
    @Kyle-jv8qx Рік тому +1

    I feel like some of the comments made here about Machiavelli fail to take the Discourses into account and therefore don't adequately represent his views. For example, Machiavelli wrote a book called the Prince, true, but like Plato he also wrote a book called the Discourses which focuses on Republics, amd is substantially longer than the Prince. So to imply Machiavelli was unconcerned about res publica is unfair.

  • @mamumonkan
    @mamumonkan Місяць тому

    it is easy to talk about Machiavelli ( while omitting Christians such as Savonarola or the popes of that time )

  • @pocketbomb8081
    @pocketbomb8081 Рік тому +2

    Although some of the speaker's thoughts on Socrates are interesting, he's a little too long winded getting there. And frankly, his understanding of Machiavelli is too limited by his faith for him to convey anything useful about The Prince. Infact I found the speaker's constant interjection of his faith into the conversation, to act as a baffling, recurring nonsequiter throughout.

  • @julienewman1344
    @julienewman1344 Рік тому

    This is interesting

  • @36cmbr
    @36cmbr Рік тому

    Plato vs Machiavelli? Methinks you err in these determinations, however when you find “The Christ” in there too I see absolute genius. Keep up the good work.

  • @ausomm
    @ausomm Рік тому

    Hallelujah

  • @CuriousPhilosopurr
    @CuriousPhilosopurr Рік тому

    What about Marcus Aurelius vs Machiavelli or Kant vs Machiavelli…😳😳😳🧮⚖️✨

  • @TheLiquidMix
    @TheLiquidMix Рік тому

    holy shit that was intense