Sounds like their manufacturer needs to jig/clamp them after pulling them out of the mold, when the material is still doing its last bit of shrinking/hardening. The middle of the frame having more material means more shrink than the ends, which leads to the bow/curve. A pretty common problem with molded parts and something that various frames have had to different degrees over the years. The Kizer Fluid 3's were like a damn banana 😄. Also something that the brand should have caught before shipping frames out. I agree that the axles are silly, as they're not cool-looking enough to justify the expense/complexity.
this is such a fun edit when you started skating lol love the intercuts of the guys exercising. I have to say (again) you really look like someone that belongs in X-Games competitions
Hmmmmmm. Honestly I guess I’d say it’s easier than I was expecting. It has a big “scary/commitment” factor (for me). But it’s one of those that after you’ve done it, realize that it wasn’t that huge of a deal. Idk. That was my thought 😆
I have a pair of these and I think you hit the main points. Mine were also bowed. I ended up putting wheels 1mm bigger on the outsides and that seems to counteract the wiggle feeling. Still doesn't feel train tracky or anything. I think my favorite flat riding frame remains the Oysi's all said and done though.
If u look at the frame before putting em on u can see the bend in em. I have two pair. Tnec sent me a replacement because of the issue and the second frame too was bowed. He also told me he knew why and that they were taken out of the molds too early
@@rickydangler yeah I chatted with them as well. Decided I'd just play around with what I had since replacements might have the same problem this go around. Did yours ever un-bow from use?
No mine still feel bowed and I skate em everyday. They gave me a replacement one and same issue but it does feel better than the first. They even offered me a third pair from the second batch in black but I already have two idw take anymore from them. I like em I jus wanted to share my info with ben so ppl kno why their frames feel weird if they do end up with a messed up one. I wasnt gonna even say anything until 3-4 ppl hmu online with the same issues asking me if they was supposed to come rockered. New company so I wanted to inform them of this issue so they could continue on and make it in the industry. I still support and dont wanna throw any dirt on the company. The owner has been honest and a nice guy sending me more stuff and hooked me up with bearing which I will say are pretty good.
Funny he mentioned that. I thought the were supposed to be banana rockered when I got mine. The thing I hate most about the frame was how freaking hard it was to put the middle wheels in.
@Ricky Dangler yeah I agree, the owner seems like a good guy. I think for me as mostly an anti rocker guy Im wanting to skate flat but haven’t found the right setup yet. I liked that you can use the same size wheel for all 4 with these but I still think I like the Oysi more. Never tried Fluid v’s but thats the other I am curious about
Dang. I like riding 250mm, just not a fan of long frames. But that means the bow/rocker is maybe even more problematic for me… Balance 2 w mods for now (a middle of the road frame, maybe too low wheel bite angle wise if you have a *really* wide soul or want to ride 58+ with a wider wheel profile)… Entente, adapt, and Thursday are the ones I’m most curious about (2 of those for material reasons, and 2 of them (overlap, I know) for shape reasons (wider split if I want to really wear my boot groove in and try very close to boot grinding like old fattys - just a curious out whether it’s that noticeable).
He’s excellent at transitions and switches but in my opinion the deciding factor would be the lack of hammers and long hand rail tricks and videos to promote himself. Over all though I don’t know if he’s trying to be a pro rider or if he wants to continue to make UA-cam video reviews for us in the blading community. Much love and appreciation brother ! Keep up the reviews and news!
Thanks for this review! While rolling on a flat surface, did you notice if any of the wheels did not touch the ground? I have both color frames.. I have been using the purple ones for a while with 58mm wheels and noticed that there is always one wheel not touching the ground on a flat surface, whether it's the front wheel or the back wheel on each skate, which creates a slight "banana" rocking effect. So I later bought another pair, the black version, and I tested them out on a flat surface with 60mm wheels. The weird thing is, the center wheels are the only ones that touch the ground. The front and back wheels hover off the ground about 1mm. Just wondering if you experienced the same issue or maybe I just need to skate these to break them in. Btw, I'm also skating these with Factions.
It definitely felt like there was a rocker to them initially. After skating in the rough parking lot it seemed less pronounced. I’ll be skating then again here soon.
Are those also **bullet profile** ?? Makes a bigger difference than the 2mm size I think. I’m on bullet 59mm on Balance 2 and only getting a little bite on factions but it should be noted intentionally wore off the souls a little on the edge because I want to be more booted on royales and less prone to wheel bite…. that said, I’ll hit the balance 2 and put in my own H-blocks soon (and also narrow the souls more). My own blocks literally never ever get wheel bite - only groove them on the sides of the block, little if any on the bottom, way more stable and slick, except fast slides can be weird.
@@busyboxst7 They are "face profile" but yes, narrower than round. I used them for a session with the GC 57mm wheels and also didn't get any wheel-bite. Their profile is closer to that of Dead Wheels, but never waste your money on GC ones, they are trash. Cores weren't centered on about half the wheels and then the cores stretched like crazy which is insane because i weigh like 120.
Feels like one of the middle wheels are bigger sometimes. I had that too
Your video production is really starting to skyrocket!
😍😍😍😍 thank you! I actually rushed through editing this one to go live, surprised it turned out ok lmao
Yo! Thank you for the mention. Killer video as always. Lol u even got my last name correct and nobody has my whole life
Heck yeah!! I was hoping I got it right lol
Rad video as always.. digging the daily shredd vids as well. The sticker jam thooo!!! Also David is the man! Love his clips on insta
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Sounds like their manufacturer needs to jig/clamp them after pulling them out of the mold, when the material is still doing its last bit of shrinking/hardening. The middle of the frame having more material means more shrink than the ends, which leads to the bow/curve. A pretty common problem with molded parts and something that various frames have had to different degrees over the years. The Kizer Fluid 3's were like a damn banana 😄. Also something that the brand should have caught before shipping frames out.
I agree that the axles are silly, as they're not cool-looking enough to justify the expense/complexity.
Thanks so much for the feedback Al 🙏🙏🙏
this is such a fun edit when you started skating lol love the intercuts of the guys exercising. I have to say (again) you really look like someone that belongs in X-Games competitions
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my brother, I pride myself on my park sections that take me time to compile enough tricks. You make 🔥🔥🔥 section in one session lmaooo00. mic drop
🙏🙏🙏thank you!!! Appreciate that my man, but you’re selling yourself short mr steezlord!
mate,,,currently sat in London UK, sipping tea watching your skating videos! fucking love them
Dope!!! Thanks for watching 🫡🫡🍿
U str8 had me rolling with the workout guys! 😂😂😂
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Nice seeing you skate vert! Any tips and after thoughts about the first jump in?
Hmmmmmm. Honestly I guess I’d say it’s easier than I was expecting. It has a big “scary/commitment” factor (for me). But it’s one of those that after you’ve done it, realize that it wasn’t that huge of a deal. Idk. That was my thought 😆
Nice switch ups mr. Enin ;) I wonder how they compare to diridari frames.
Honestly they seem quite similar (in my fairly limited experience). Me personally I’d be on fluid 5’s if I skated flat tbh. Thanks for the support :D
thanks for this review and your opinions. really helped me to make my decision
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Killin it at the park.🤘🏻 that's a big old vert ramp
Thanks trav!!!
I have a pair of these and I think you hit the main points. Mine were also bowed. I ended up putting wheels 1mm bigger on the outsides and that seems to counteract the wiggle feeling. Still doesn't feel train tracky or anything. I think my favorite flat riding frame remains the Oysi's all said and done though.
If u look at the frame before putting em on u can see the bend in em. I have two pair. Tnec sent me a replacement because of the issue and the second frame too was bowed. He also told me he knew why and that they were taken out of the molds too early
@@rickydangler yeah I chatted with them as well. Decided I'd just play around with what I had since replacements might have the same problem this go around. Did yours ever un-bow from use?
No mine still feel bowed and I skate em everyday. They gave me a replacement one and same issue but it does feel better than the first. They even offered me a third pair from the second batch in black but I already have two idw take anymore from them. I like em I jus wanted to share my info with ben so ppl kno why their frames feel weird if they do end up with a messed up one. I wasnt gonna even say anything until 3-4 ppl hmu online with the same issues asking me if they was supposed to come rockered. New company so I wanted to inform them of this issue so they could continue on and make it in the industry. I still support and dont wanna throw any dirt on the company. The owner has been honest and a nice guy sending me more stuff and hooked me up with bearing which I will say are pretty good.
Funny he mentioned that. I thought the were supposed to be banana rockered when I got mine. The thing I hate most about the frame was how freaking hard it was to put the middle wheels in.
@Ricky Dangler yeah I agree, the owner seems like a good guy. I think for me as mostly an anti rocker guy Im wanting to skate flat but haven’t found the right setup yet. I liked that you can use the same size wheel for all 4 with these but I still think I like the Oysi more. Never tried Fluid v’s but thats the other I am curious about
Dang. I like riding 250mm, just not a fan of long frames. But that means the bow/rocker is maybe even more problematic for me… Balance 2 w mods for now (a middle of the road frame, maybe too low wheel bite angle wise if you have a *really* wide soul or want to ride 58+ with a wider wheel profile)… Entente, adapt, and Thursday are the ones I’m most curious about (2 of those for material reasons, and 2 of them (overlap, I know) for shape reasons (wider split if I want to really wear my boot groove in and try very close to boot grinding like old fattys - just a curious out whether it’s that noticeable).
Dude, how is this guy not a pro rider!
He’s excellent at transitions and switches but in my opinion the deciding factor would be the lack of hammers and long hand rail tricks and videos to promote himself. Over all though I don’t know if he’s trying to be a pro rider or if he wants to continue to make UA-cam video reviews for us in the blading community.
Much love and appreciation brother ! Keep up the reviews and news!
@@fernrocha2417 very content just making UA-cam videos tbh ^__^
Thanks for this review! While rolling on a flat surface, did you notice if any of the wheels did not touch the ground? I have both color frames.. I have been using the purple ones for a while with 58mm wheels and noticed that there is always one wheel not touching the ground on a flat surface, whether it's the front wheel or the back wheel on each skate, which creates a slight "banana" rocking effect.
So I later bought another pair, the black version, and I tested them out on a flat surface with 60mm wheels. The weird thing is, the center wheels are the only ones that touch the ground. The front and back wheels hover off the ground about 1mm. Just wondering if you experienced the same issue or maybe I just need to skate these to break them in. Btw, I'm also skating these with Factions.
It definitely felt like there was a rocker to them initially. After skating in the rough parking lot it seemed less pronounced. I’ll be skating then again here soon.
I really want to see you skating M12s 🤩
Someday :D
how does it compete with similar frames? I'm on Axyzs and Dark Mage Prime right now.
It feels not terribly dissimilar from other flat frames I’ve tried - fluid 5’s are still my fav
i Love how you seem to KILL it no matter what set up you're skating. it's a little ridiculous and i'm totally jealous.
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How does the TNEC frame weigh?
Compete with Creative or THEM.
Loved the music!
I’m glad someone did! Vibing to that song hard
That back torque was a thing of absolute beauty 😍👌
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How much that park cost to go?
$15/day.
To me they look like the 2nd model Able frames.
I could def see that
The editing was superb! Not that the frames are fun but also the video itself! True Top Porn!! Killed it Sir Ben!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Try them with some slightly smaller wheels. I've got some 58mm 50/50s in mine and its impossible to get wheel bite
Are those also **bullet profile** ?? Makes a bigger difference than the 2mm size I think. I’m on bullet 59mm on Balance 2 and only getting a little bite on factions but it should be noted intentionally wore off the souls a little on the edge because I want to be more booted on royales and less prone to wheel bite…. that said, I’ll hit the balance 2 and put in my own H-blocks soon (and also narrow the souls more). My own blocks literally never ever get wheel bite - only groove them on the sides of the block, little if any on the bottom, way more stable and slick, except fast slides can be weird.
@@busyboxst7 They are "face profile" but yes, narrower than round. I used them for a session with the GC 57mm wheels and also didn't get any wheel-bite. Their profile is closer to that of Dead Wheels, but never waste your money on GC ones, they are trash. Cores weren't centered on about half the wheels and then the cores stretched like crazy which is insane because i weigh like 120.
@@joshdickinson2371 nice!
I bet the bow gave the frames a rocker so the “jittery” feeling was wheels not rolling flat
Agreed. It was very noticeable
Big ol streak of sweat down that half pipe! lol 😆 Always got them mad skills though, killin it in this video my dude!
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Yeah, looks like some wheel bite is unavoidable for flat