+Steven A. :) If he had been drumming in this vid and stopped after example 2 or something and looked dead at the camera and said "you know what the definition of insanity is? Playing the same drum beat over and over and expecting to get a different rhythm!" oh man...... that would have been quite surreal.
This teacher is tempting me into the free 30-day trial and even more: paying for total access. Aaron is not only sick-skilled but pretty good at teaching.
Drumeo has the best teachers. Teachers that will actually put in real work, like breaking down hard songs note for note. Not teachers that just continuously recycle the same lessons with the accent in a different spot year after year. If you need advanced lessons to take u to the next level, It's def the best resource imo.
Aaron thank you so much for these grooves. Already starting to practice them and feeling my world open up. I'm so sorry to see so many comments from so many negative people who don't appreciate what you guys are doing. From a fairly beginner drummer here: thanks a lot for the help!
this is awesome! super clear and easy to understand. i'm not even a drummer (cello and piano) and I was able to follow along with everything. good job.
CromCruachTheElderK polymeters are when limbs are playing in different time signatures, polyrhythms are when they're pulsing with a consistent note in different time signatures.
I’m right there with you mate haha. I can hardly the snare from the kick drum and here I am watching how to do polyrhythm videos haha. You like what you like.😂
Great lesson, great illustration. How such a complex rhymic pattern can be explained and demonstrated so easily gives me the confidence that I'll learn it eventually too. Great teacher, amazing lesson and concept
Technically these are rather applications of odd groupings played in 4/4. The "official definition" of polyrhythm would be: "The simultaneous use of two or more conflicting rhythms, that are not readily perceived as deriving from one another, or as simple manifestations of the same meter". This thread already knows that. However, the accents in this example, i.e. any beginning note of an odd grouping related to the quarter pulse could be perceived as polyrhythmic if you strip away everything else.
I'm glad someone else noticed, I wondered why I wasn't understanding whats going on. I could be wrong but I think this dude isn't quite sure what he's talking about. You're absolutely right, because he isn't playing for example an odd division eg triplets against an even division such as 8ths/quavers. Instead he has a repeated drum part where effectively the time signature has changed and so the bar lines have to also be moved so that the music notation is corrected.
+Michael Manning I don't fully understand polyrhythyms I just watch these things to help my understand rhythm (I play bass) but this seemed wrong because I would have thought a poly rhythm in its simplest form would be one note in one time signature constantly going and another in a different one constantly going occasionally lining, but these sounded at the same pace ish lining up consistently, but either way it was useful to me to try and find when I should try and jam to it and come in on beat
the one with the groups of 5 was polyrhythmic if you listen to the bass drum against the ride bell. since it is quarter notes against groups of 5, it makes a 4:5 polyrhythm. however this is coincidental and you are right about them not being polyrhythms. if you're interested, Kascade by Animals as Leaders features a sick 4:5 polyrhythmic groove at the start, with a little modification
And also that they are spaced equally, polymetric can be achieved with a single meter and just dividing beats into smaller subdivisions. For it to be polyrrhythm the beats has to be dragged out or compressed, in the case of a 5|4 polyrhythm, 5 beats are compressed to fit 4 beats in the given tempo. Temporary cases of this is usually achieved by having different form of tuplets, quintuplets and the like
This is polymeter. For polyrhythm you need (at least) two limbs playing DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS (e.g. one with 8th notes, the other with 8th note triplets) NOTE: arguably, in the case of 8th notes and 8th note triplets, you can actually point to a common subdivison, namely 16th triplets. But as long as you don't play and therefore don't make the listener aware of this common subdivision, it's polyrhythm. In this video you are aware of this common subdivision (16th notes), therefore a polymeter.
***** Well a poly rhythm is defined as being two or more separate constant pulses, such as triplets over eighth notes. But this is taking a groove in a meter like 5/8 and displacing it in 4/4, which is a poly meter.
So a polymeter is stuffing everything together in one groove and a polyrhythm is multiple rhythms played constantly, which create "one rhythm"? Is that right?
+Jonathan Graber That's not actually quite right; a polymeter is two independent rhythms being played simultaneously at the same tempo, that eventually, over time, match up again on the '1'. That's what this video shows; e.g. 4/4 and 5/4 syncing up again after 5 bars of the 4/4, which is the same as 4 bars of the 5/4. A polyrhythm is two independent rhythms being played simultaneously at *different tempos*, so that they match up again on the '1' after just one bar (or phrase/instance) of each. E.g. Playing 3 notes in the same length of time it takes to play 2 notes creates a 3:2 polyrhythm. This is probably the most basic polyrhythm; e.g. triplet quavers over 2 regular quavers, sounds like "dun du-di-dun". It gets more complex with 4:3, 5:4, 5:3, 7:3, etc. but they're all actually pretty easy to do once you work out the 'pattern' of the hits. +Drew Neal You are right in a way, but you're using the wrong words to explain =]
That spring retention on the bass peddle when doing 100bpm really threw me off, couldn't unhear it... fantastic tutorial but that ghosted "baboom" really ticked me off :D
Sorry for some negativity, but these are neither sick or polyrhythmic. This is just the ride grouped in 3, 5, and 7, and they resolve when they resolve.
Oh great lesson, these are fun to practice - I'd just like to point out there is a little mistake at 6:12 (Bar 3), there is a ride hit that's notated but not played on the 'a' of beat 4. Not trying to be a bitch, just it was throwing me off when playing along and I thought I'd best point it out.
Aaron Edgar you got chops!! great feel I'm a guitarist and I really appreciate your pocket nice n phat Keep doing what you're doing all you drummers need to lock n and soak it up and practice proper technique.....
Why did Drumeo let a video go out with the wrong title? Surely it should have been: 3 Okay Polymetric Ideas - with a 4, and a few extra kinda out of time bass drum notes, to the Floor Kick and Snare on beats 2 & 4 Groove - that Some Drummers Might Want to Know I will admit the one they used is more catchy.
Even though this is fairly beginner stuff and easy to me, I just watch because how well you teach. You are probably the best teacher in drumeo. Very different stuff from normal.
This is a common mistake, polymetric and polyrhythmic are not interchangeable terms and are two very different languages. This is polymetric. I normally wouldn't mind, but Drumeo - a drumming education channel - really should know the difference. Quick guide: 3 against 2, that's polyrhythmic. Meshuggah, that's [usually] polymetric.
Love the video, helped me master my first polyrythms! However for third groove, during the demonstration at 70bpm I noticed Aaron doesn't hit the second ride at the end of the third bar. Is this on purpose? Is it a mistake? It's driving me a lil nuts
Really cool lesson. Thanks a lot for it however the sheet music looks so jumbled it's hard to read. I'll have to rewrite it by hand. Make it the same lay out as on the video. Thanks for the knowledge, Aaron!!!
![Drumming with Polyrhythms [3:2 | 3:4 | 5:4] + musical examples](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/73jEJ33YLq0/mqdefault.jpg)
wow! I had no idea Vaas from Far Cry 3 played drums.
Lol. Nice shout out!
+Steven A. :) If he had been drumming in this vid and stopped after example 2 or something and looked dead at the camera and said "you know what the definition of insanity is? Playing the same drum beat over and over and expecting to get a different rhythm!" oh man...... that would have been quite surreal.
You BEAT me to it!
There would have been live humans screaming cause when he hit the drum their head would be sticking out
ohh god
Thanks for the lesson, Vaas
+Luke Zuniga LOL! Exactly what I thought! High Five :D
doing the exact same thing over and over again.
+fran991213 learning the drums 101
+fran991213 and each good drummer should be able to do it :D we are all insane!
It would've been so funny if he had vaas's accent
I’m not a drummer but I know that’s gotta feel so good to play. It feels good in my brain to understand how the 2 rhythms work together.
This teacher is tempting me into the free 30-day trial and even more: paying for total access. Aaron is not only sick-skilled but pretty good at teaching.
Drumeo has the best teachers. Teachers that will actually put in real work, like breaking down hard songs note for note. Not teachers that just continuously recycle the same lessons with the accent in a different spot year after year. If you need advanced lessons to take u to the next level, It's def the best resource imo.
Aaron thank you so much for these grooves. Already starting to practice them and feeling my world open up. I'm so sorry to see so many comments from so many negative people who don't appreciate what you guys are doing. From a fairly beginner drummer here: thanks a lot for the help!
this is awesome! super clear and easy to understand. i'm not even a drummer (cello and piano) and I was able to follow along with everything. good job.
Sick! Aaron Edgar is a beast!
These aren't polyrhythms... These are polymeter rhythms.
Whats the difference?
CromCruachTheElderK polymeters are when limbs are playing in different time signatures, polyrhythms are when they're pulsing with a consistent note in different time signatures.
Jason Cox
Thank you. So this lacks the consistent note?
Jason Cox ahhhhh I see so you can play a regular 4-4 beat but if all your limb are playing in different time signature then it's a polymeter
Jason Cox isn't that the same though like your just sayin the same shit with different words
I love the fact that every Aaron Edgar lesson are "super" in different ways
Sick second and third groove, love it.
This is my third day since I got my first kit and I don’t have any business watching this video but you better believe I’m gonna try it anyway
I’m right there with you mate haha.
I can hardly the snare from the kick drum and here I am watching how to do polyrhythm videos haha.
You like what you like.😂
Great lesson, great illustration. How such a complex rhymic pattern can be explained and demonstrated so easily gives me the confidence that I'll learn it eventually too. Great teacher, amazing lesson and concept
Technically these are rather applications of odd groupings played in 4/4. The "official definition" of polyrhythm would be: "The simultaneous use of two or more conflicting rhythms, that are not readily perceived as deriving from one another, or as simple manifestations of the same meter". This thread already knows that. However, the accents in this example, i.e. any beginning note of an odd grouping related to the quarter pulse could be perceived as polyrhythmic if you strip away everything else.
His natural Bad-umph on the bass drum is super complimentary!
Dude all your lessons are saved in my favourites. Keep em coming, they are really enjoyable and thank you.
This guy is such a good teacher !
this guy is so cool, i love watching him
I'm pretty sure these are polymeters and not polyrhythms.
I'm glad someone else noticed, I wondered why I wasn't understanding whats going on. I could be wrong but I think this dude isn't quite sure what he's talking about. You're absolutely right, because he isn't playing for example an odd division eg triplets against an even division such as 8ths/quavers. Instead he has a repeated drum part where effectively the time signature has changed and so the bar lines have to also be moved so that the music notation is corrected.
+Michael Manning I don't fully understand polyrhythyms I just watch these things to help my understand rhythm (I play bass) but this seemed wrong because I would have thought a poly rhythm in its simplest form would be one note in one time signature constantly going and another in a different one constantly going occasionally lining, but these sounded at the same pace ish lining up consistently, but either way it was useful to me to try and find when I should try and jam to it and come in on beat
the one with the groups of 5 was polyrhythmic if you listen to the bass drum against the ride bell. since it is quarter notes against groups of 5, it makes a 4:5 polyrhythm. however this is coincidental and you are right about them not being polyrhythms.
if you're interested, Kascade by Animals as Leaders features a sick 4:5 polyrhythmic groove at the start, with a little modification
Thanks for that @ThunderHawk606
And also that they are spaced equally, polymetric can be achieved with a single meter and just dividing beats into smaller subdivisions. For it to be polyrrhythm the beats has to be dragged out or compressed, in the case of a 5|4 polyrhythm, 5 beats are compressed to fit 4 beats in the given tempo. Temporary cases of this is usually achieved by having different form of tuplets, quintuplets and the like
Cool, cool, but has he told us the definition of insanity yet?
Hahahaha! Awesome!! XD
I was scratching my head the entire video... Thank you! :D
+Marcell Jurisits Bwaaahaha! Nice one mate!
2:04
3:55
5:35
a few more years, this guy will be good!
I agree. He just needs to keep applying himself. He's gonna get there!
If you switch the his right hand with his right foot in that first beat, that's the foundation for Bleed by Meshuggah
I wish we saw more lessons from him. he's definitely my favorite
This is polymeter. For polyrhythm you need (at least) two limbs playing DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS (e.g. one with 8th notes, the other with 8th note triplets)
NOTE: arguably, in the case of 8th notes and 8th note triplets, you can actually point to a common subdivison, namely 16th triplets. But as long as you don't play and therefore don't make the listener aware of this common subdivision, it's polyrhythm. In this video you are aware of this common subdivision (16th notes), therefore a polymeter.
The Polyce have arrived
Great Lesson
Isn't this poly-meter and not poly-rhythm? He's not doing a constant pulse on his right hand is why I ask.
Can you Explain further?
***** Well a poly rhythm is defined as being two or more separate constant pulses, such as triplets over eighth notes. But this is taking a groove in a meter like 5/8 and displacing it in 4/4, which is a poly meter.
So a polymeter is stuffing everything together in one groove and a polyrhythm is multiple rhythms played constantly, which create "one rhythm"? Is that right?
+Jonathan Graber Yes that's exactly right
+Jonathan Graber
That's not actually quite right; a polymeter is two independent rhythms being played simultaneously at the same tempo, that eventually, over time, match up again on the '1'. That's what this video shows; e.g. 4/4 and 5/4 syncing up again after 5 bars of the 4/4, which is the same as 4 bars of the 5/4.
A polyrhythm is two independent rhythms being played simultaneously at *different tempos*, so that they match up again on the '1' after just one bar (or phrase/instance) of each. E.g. Playing 3 notes in the same length of time it takes to play 2 notes creates a 3:2 polyrhythm. This is probably the most basic polyrhythm; e.g. triplet quavers over 2 regular quavers, sounds like "dun du-di-dun".
It gets more complex with 4:3, 5:4, 5:3, 7:3, etc. but they're all actually pretty easy to do once you work out the 'pattern' of the hits.
+Drew Neal
You are right in a way, but you're using the wrong words to explain =]
Very nice lesson
That Guy ! Killer play ! He would crack those cymbals !
Awesome, I love it!! More polyrythms, Aaron!!
I agree with a statement below..I enjoy Aaron's lessons the most! Keep 'em coming!
This helps me understand Danny Carey's style a little more visually, thank you
Those cymbals sound like heaven
Sabian produce the best sounding cymbals. Awesome video
Thank you for this great lesson Aaron, very inspiring!
That spring retention on the bass peddle when doing 100bpm really threw me off, couldn't unhear it... fantastic tutorial but that ghosted "baboom" really ticked me off :D
he made it clear in the end that these are ride patterns to place over other beats,not necessarily 4/4.these are still great to practice.
The second grove is really fun to play and to mess around with. Great lesson!
Love the Stereo Mix!!
This is a cool idea
Killer grooves. Thanks for the video
I now what kind of drumming I'd like to focus more now! Thanks!
Finally, the lesson that i've been waiting for
great lesson!
Good lesson.
Man I love Sonor drums... first good kit I ever bought was Sonor Maple kit.
Amazing! you make it look easy...
Even beatboxers can learn some patterns here and practice. I know it's not polyrythms but these videos still help.
Thanks for the drum lessons!
Sorry for some negativity, but these are neither sick or polyrhythmic. This is just the ride grouped in 3, 5, and 7, and they resolve when they resolve.
Why even bother opening your dumbfuck mouth then?
Walpurgisnacht9 , because these rythms are not polyrythms. Read the comment section.
Walpurgisnacht9 please fuck up. This video is misinforming. He's right.
Please more! Love it!!!
Gotta love polyrhythms!!
Love that sonor kit
That was groovy!
Cool grooves.
Very inspiring video. Thank you.
Thank you!
Very interesting these grooves. Congrats Aaron
Very high energy levels, I LOVE it!
Kevin Parker on drumeo please
this!
Tame Impala Kevin Parker?
+ColRizz99 This should be a thing!
thanks
I wish this didn’t hurt my brain as much as it did. I just cannot get anywhere with it.
Just great!
Thanks for this !!!
Muy buena explicación saludos desde Argentina.
Oh great lesson, these are fun to practice - I'd just like to point out there is a little mistake at 6:12 (Bar 3),
there is a ride hit that's notated but not played on the 'a' of beat 4.
Not trying to be a bitch, just it was throwing me off when playing along and I thought I'd best point it out.
Aaron Edgar you got chops!! great feel I'm a guitarist and I really appreciate your pocket nice n phat Keep doing what you're doing all you drummers need to lock n and soak it up and practice proper technique.....
Why did Drumeo let a video go out with the wrong title? Surely it should have been: 3 Okay Polymetric Ideas - with a 4, and a few extra kinda out of time bass drum notes, to the Floor Kick and Snare on beats 2 & 4 Groove - that Some Drummers Might Want to Know
I will admit the one they used is more catchy.
I like your style!
The Polyce have arrived
Thanks for the lesson
it's fantastic!!!
Thank You! I learned something new!
right, right! like a disco beat! outstanding! haha!
love your lessons man you are an inspiration
First groove, Michael Brecker - Escher Sketch (A Tale Of Two Rhythms).
Nice. Love it.
So basically... for those who want to learn how to play any given Karnivool song
perfect video, you made sure to bring the rhythm into context.
Very cool. Reminds me of the Vinnie clinic where he overrides the stick pattern(RH on the rims of the drum) in 7/8 over the top of the beat in the 4.
next time you do a video like this use the stack please I love that pocket sound it gives! :) btw. awesome!
wow, that china is AWESOME, i want to PUNISH it like you do on the intro hshhaha
Sick Drummer! And please make a lesson with Simon Philips
Even though this is fairly beginner stuff and easy to me, I just watch because how well you teach. You are probably the best teacher in drumeo. Very different stuff from normal.
6:13 - deliberate mistake to keep us on our toes? :)
+Joe Thompson I caught it, too!
+Harley Dendinger Ahah just caught it too!
Haha yay, Glad I saw someone commenting on it
What's the mistake?
Edit: ah nevermind, just noticed he played straight 8th notes on the ride there.
Wow I'm glad I'm reading this, I was thinking I was mad haha
It looks soooooooo challenging
This is a common mistake, polymetric and polyrhythmic are not interchangeable terms and are two very different languages. This is polymetric. I normally wouldn't mind, but Drumeo - a drumming education channel - really should know the difference. Quick guide: 3 against 2, that's polyrhythmic. Meshuggah, that's [usually] polymetric.
The Polyce have arrived
@@eli7j Damn straight.
It's difficult to me understad why people WHO never share and surely can't do It, insist critisizing or bother...
+Coop3rdrumm3r watch and learn ;) this is the real deal
haha still focused on cooper's playing
+StompL7 more on mine than his ;)
+DBS players what do you plan Man IM interested
+StompL7 I play in a marching band so my technique is okay. other than that I practise songs and I'm currently working on foot ostinatos and so on
+StompL7 the enigma machine by dream theater and bent nails from snarky puppy and Spain from chick corea
Wow #2 and #3
2:35 This drum beat looks like an heart beat
JP Bouvet on drumeo would be awesome
감사합니다.
Would you guys be interested in doing Meshuggah lessons? Their music is awesome IMO
Love the video, helped me master my first polyrythms! However for third groove, during the demonstration at 70bpm I noticed Aaron doesn't hit the second ride at the end of the third bar. Is this on purpose? Is it a mistake? It's driving me a lil nuts
sounds more like chaos than 'burundi drumming' i was hoping to hear
Eulogy should have been there!
That china sound beautiful ❤❤
Well done, good rhythms and well explained and played. Keep it up!
Really cool lesson. Thanks a lot for it however the sheet music looks so jumbled it's hard to read. I'll have to rewrite it by hand. Make it the same lay out as on the video.
Thanks for the knowledge, Aaron!!!
Great video but I have to ask - why does the bass drum keep going from quarter notes to eighth notes when tempo goes from 70 to 100bpm?
#2 sounds like the grudge from tool, and let go and let go and let gooooooooooo!
Is this a coincidence you guys posted this one day after my comment mentioning polyrhythms or is this just another case of my esp?
Super killa lesson