That's because DNF 2001 was a Half-Life Clone, Duke Nukem developers never were very creative, they always need something to watch/copy, when they don't copy other people's work like in 2011, they make shit
@gensokyo boyz You need to learn the difference between "inspiration" and "Copy"... yes, everything is inspired in something else, but if you take the inspiration and make very little changes and no improvements, then is a Copy
@@Huguillon Duke Nukem 3D wasn't a copy of anything, it was different from any other shooter out at that time. And If I hear the words "Doom Clone" I swear to god...
@@mrscruffles801 You have no idea about FPS history, right?? Yes, Duke NUkem 3D is a Doom clone (one of the good ones like Blood and Shadow Warrior)... Duke Nukem 3D took the base of Doom and add some good features like "look up", "jump", "portable medkit", "throw granades", etc. If you can't see (Imp = Assault Trooper || shotguner = Pig Cop || Chainguner = Enforcer || Mancubus = Assault Commander and so on ) or (Mighty Foot (punch), Pistol, Shotgun, Rocket Luncher, Chaingun Cannon) is because you're a simple fanboy... I played Duke Nukem 3D in the 90's and the firt time I played Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 was 2016, I grew loving Duke Nukem 3D but that's don't make me a blind fanboy that can not see "Without Doom, Duke Nukem 3D would never exist"
Looks like the story premise was going to be radically different too. For the 2001 version, it looks as if the aliens returned with a new strategy to turn the Earth Defense Forces against itself and Duke and also making use of a mind-control infestation turning people into zombies. Meanwhile, it's the same old brute force invasion in the 2011 version.
As I've gathered, Doctor Proton was meant to be in the base game, plus some footage I've watched has shown that there was some sort of "Babe Resistance" in the game who had or was trying to acquire a time machine. Whatever the game's plot was, it looks positively nuts and fun, and I love it!
@@ghost085 No, this was even shown in the trailer that "Earth Defense Force has been compromised, and I'm afraid you can't trust anyone". There's some sort of parasite controlling them. You can see alien tendrils coming out of their necks. It happens to regular civilians, too. Plus, the aliens are already fully functional, or at least the basic assault troopers.
@@ghost085 General Greaves still says that the EDF has been compromised and I think you see uncorrupted EDF soldiers fight infected ones.
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1:13 The sky box looks so good in the 2001 version in comparison to the post processed blurry mess with dull lighting. The 2001 version used pretty low poly models for the background elements. Looks sweet.
it would be amazing if somehow someone officially could develop this 2001 prototype further and make it into an awesome game like „Ion Fury“ for example
Fan are doing just that (albeit very slowly) for the leaked alpha of Core Design’s Tomb Raider 1 10th Anniversary remake (no relation to the Cursed Jason Botta remake from 2007), I’m sure devoted Duke Nukem fans will do the same for the PC King like Tomb Raider fans are the PC Queen. In Duke’s case, it’s a lot easier as not only does it use Unreal Engine 1 instead of TRAE’s more obscure Free Running engine (from Core Design & Rebellion’s parkour game of the same name), but DNF 2001 also both leaked the source code and the level editor.
@@devilbringer1102 Tomb of Ash has you covered there with all the information you need about Core’s TRAE. Raidercast, Ash and others have done videos on it too when the leak was new.
@@akinadekile8929 lighting was corrupted in some ways at least thats what ive heard.. just look at the roof rop view at vegas.. it looks impressive and way better than dnf 2011
No I guess its because in unreal engine 1 you have to make the room ( box usually) and put cloudsheets and and lightning in it manually and then define how it rotates if not all - late unreal engines plaeyd a movie instead as skybox and the lightning in 1 gen unrealengines were much easier to work with and did greater - In later because of issues the turned up levellight and then turned down the lights and added sucky distance fog restult it looks bland but meshes looks ok and smooth which i my opinion is what epic wanted - sell a gameengine but sucks with lights
Jari It’s also the menu toggleable post processing effects that makes the view blurry and low res in the video. But even with them off the casinos in the distance look flat and lack shadows and highlights.
The internet archive has a download on it, there’s so much stuff in this 2001 build. We technically have two of them, an august and October, with minimal difference so far, although I’ve only played October. Theres even a blockout to what would become dnf‘s dlc in Area 51 maps and a very early moon map.
their mistake was releasing it as a 2011 game, they should have finished it in the 2001 engine and renamed it Duke Nukem Retro or something, then maybe it wouldnt have killed the fucking series
They should have shipped two games, not one. Why not release something you have instead of scrapping it? Duke3D was outdated on the technical side too, but no one cared - it was fun and had a nice design. DNF2001 needed maybe 1-2 years to finish it - with a big enough team. I mean they made Duke3D in 2 years. Even Unreal1 took only 4 years to develop.
@@tiefensucht i think if they stopped adding features for the october build and built the levels they could have shipped the game in 14 months if not 8
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I like both versions. The shooting and the fast-paced gameplay is better in the 2001 version, of course and I prefer the more old school gameplay. However I still enjoyed DNF 2011 very much. I hope the modders can use the assets from the 2011 version and finish the 2001 version so we can all enjoy both.
As much as everyone loves to crap all over Duke Nukem Forever, I think at the very least it deserves credit for preserving so many of 2001's locales and environmental interactions.
@@bigboulder I think it'd be fascinating to know just how much of the final product is 3D Realms's work, and how much was designed by Gearbox (perhaps there's already detailed info out there somewhere)?
@@Chubzdoomer i havent seen anything like that. The only thing that allows for a comparison are the snippets from the jace hall show..and even though the footage is rather wobbely.. the lighting looked way cooler.. everything was way darker and at night time
I still don't understand why they not even include that 2001 as a easter egg or unlockable after beating the game. That move should save their reputation.
I actually liked the dnf released game. It was behind the time no doubt, and limiting carried weapons and having recharging health were major missteps, but I had some fun with it. I do wish we got to fight infected edf though.
its interesting to see that a lot of what we got in the final game, was idea wise already present in the 2001 version.. thats why i wonder what the problem was. as far as i know, the 1997 build, was trashed, du to the engine change. they took to look and used the quake 2 engine, which was outdated, that why they made this version and trailered it in 2001.. but after that came year of silence. they then state, that they wanted to make the best shooter ever and that so many good games realsed with neat ideas, that they wanted to implement alot of them, which took time, but what i see here, is that almost everything from the final game, was already there. sure, the terminator salvation christian bale rant wasnt a thing in 2001 and couldnt be there, but this screams to be, that 3drealms had problems. it feels like, they tried to build a mammoth project with only 30 people, that would have taken 200 to be completed in time and every time, 3d realsm reached 50% with the build afters years, the product they had was already outdated because it took so long and thus, had to be redone almost from scratch, but this time, we have 10 new ideas due to games like hl2, halo und cod that we need to implement, which will take even more time.. and so on an so on. like an single person, trying to build a house and realizes midway, that leaving the inside open for 4 years, causes so much damage, that they had to start over
This!! It really is interesting how much common the 2001 and 2011 versions have. When you look at the 2007 teaser there is no hostile EDF soldiers anymore and the classic Duke 3D aliens are back. Also you can see that many of the 3d models that we see there (2007) are the exact same models that is in the final game. So i think that by 2007 the game was pretty much in the shape we got it in 2011. At least by story, level and enemy desing wise.
Duke Nukem Forever 2011 wasn't even a bad game. It was just like popcorn B movie. Rough around the edges,slipping the brain into neutral to coast. It was fun but pretty mindless. Not amazing but not bad either. I fire it up every now and again and still enjoy it. The DLC was actually a lot better than the main game. Comparing the 2001 version, I feel some relief knowing in a sense the 2011 version was pretty faithful to it. I hope one day we get another Duke. Something on the level of Duke Nukem 3D.
I know it's hard pill to swallow, but it's safe to say if they had release this version of the game at 2011 people reaction would have been exactly what it was towards the final version and majority of people would have just downwright hated it. Some people are just too narrow-minded and impossible to be pleased and that's just reality of it.
2001 was the peak of its hype build footage. Duke community & fans were so interest to getting those but then got constantly delayed over & over. By 2006, I assumed the hype train was probably died out. Game build footage had gotten worse & boring compared to the several years before. Expecting it to be delayed and be bad when gearbox took over the build iteration. Then boom! Launched in 2011, totally disaster and turn to be the most disappointing game ever came out in its time for sure.
I can also the the superior lightning in the fist unreal engine used and the inferior or maybe impossible to make any good lightning in later unreal engines -
I don't know who has the rights to duke nukem, but they should take the 2001 version and finish it, and after finishing it make a new version 2023 2024
The 2011 port would've been good, if they had scraped the damn annoying missions and gave it the 2001's story. In short, I'd say the restoration project is better than the 2011 build
Cyberpunk turned out decent with some patches, and nobody ever gave a shit about valve's card game to begin with. What Gearbox did to Duke is devastating.
I dunno what the early version would have been but I'm sure they wouldn't take out out of the experience. My main issue with the final game is how unnecessary all the scenes are and shows that there were too many cooks in the kitchen. Such as why would Duke faint multiple times and wake up hours later, the constant dick male and female sucking towards Duke even though there are not a single badass moment in the entire game, Why did they have to have an emotional moment with Duke when they take his twins, see's them die but then moments later he's happy slapping around space titties, the dated and unfunny references like Gears, Halo, Leroy Jenkins, Valve puzzles, Donkey Kong, Modern Warfare. It's like taking the Borderlands dialog and forgetting to make it funny.
I remember that I pirated DNF, and the part with the boobs hanging on a wall of that alien cave made me laugh. I stopped playing when I reached like a fast food level. It was one of those strange cases that I regret spending time playing a "game".
they had something great going on in 2001 but they instead opted for making this ugly, color corected, blurry, QTE-riddled, health regenerating early 2010s piece of sh
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1:13 the Las Vegas vista looks so good for a 2001 game. So detailed!
It's so baffling that the 2001 prototype is so much more fun just by looks than what we got
Thats because DNF 2001 was more of an immersive sim, rather that linear crap released in 2011
That's because DNF 2001 was a Half-Life Clone, Duke Nukem developers never were very creative, they always need something to watch/copy, when they don't copy other people's work like in 2011, they make shit
@gensokyo boyz You need to learn the difference between "inspiration" and "Copy"... yes, everything is inspired in something else, but if you take the inspiration and make very little changes and no improvements, then is a Copy
@@Huguillon Duke Nukem 3D wasn't a copy of anything, it was different from any other shooter out at that time. And If I hear the words "Doom Clone" I swear to god...
@@mrscruffles801 You have no idea about FPS history, right?? Yes, Duke NUkem 3D is a Doom clone (one of the good ones like Blood and Shadow Warrior)... Duke Nukem 3D took the base of Doom and add some good features like "look up", "jump", "portable medkit", "throw granades", etc. If you can't see (Imp = Assault Trooper || shotguner = Pig Cop || Chainguner = Enforcer || Mancubus = Assault Commander and so on ) or (Mighty Foot (punch), Pistol, Shotgun, Rocket Luncher, Chaingun Cannon) is because you're a simple fanboy... I played Duke Nukem 3D in the 90's and the firt time I played Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 was 2016, I grew loving Duke Nukem 3D but that's don't make me a blind fanboy that can not see "Without Doom, Duke Nukem 3D would never exist"
Keep them coming. The side by side comparison is fascinating.
Looks like the story premise was going to be radically different too. For the 2001 version, it looks as if the aliens returned with a new strategy to turn the Earth Defense Forces against itself and Duke and also making use of a mind-control infestation turning people into zombies. Meanwhile, it's the same old brute force invasion in the 2011 version.
As I've gathered, Doctor Proton was meant to be in the base game, plus some footage I've watched has shown that there was some sort of "Babe Resistance" in the game who had or was trying to acquire a time machine. Whatever the game's plot was, it looks positively nuts and fun, and I love it!
I think you fight the EDF because in this prototype they hadn't programmed the enemy aliens yet
@@ghost085 No, this was even shown in the trailer that "Earth Defense Force has been compromised, and I'm afraid you can't trust anyone". There's some sort of parasite controlling them. You can see alien tendrils coming out of their necks. It happens to regular civilians, too. Plus, the aliens are already fully functional, or at least the basic assault troopers.
@@Lugbzurg Interesting. It seems they scrapped that from the final game. Or perhaps they didn't and I just don't remember LOL
@@ghost085 General Greaves still says that the EDF has been compromised and I think you see uncorrupted EDF soldiers fight infected ones.
1:13 The sky box looks so good in the 2001 version in comparison to the post processed blurry mess with dull lighting.
The 2001 version used pretty low poly models for the background elements. Looks sweet.
it would be amazing if somehow someone officially could develop this 2001 prototype further and make it into an awesome
game like „Ion Fury“ for example
Fan are doing just that (albeit very slowly) for the leaked alpha of Core Design’s Tomb Raider 1 10th Anniversary remake (no relation to the Cursed Jason Botta remake from 2007), I’m sure devoted Duke Nukem fans will do the same for the PC King like Tomb Raider fans are the PC Queen. In Duke’s case, it’s a lot easier as not only does it use Unreal Engine 1 instead of TRAE’s more obscure Free Running engine (from Core Design & Rebellion’s parkour game of the same name), but DNF 2001 also both leaked the source code and the level editor.
You know, the team that made Ion Fury should make a Duke Nukem game on the build engine.
Absolutely I hope it gets to be made by fans for fans
@@lionocyborg6030 Wait really i didn't knew that?
@@devilbringer1102 Tomb of Ash has you covered there with all the information you need about Core’s TRAE. Raidercast, Ash and others have done videos on it too when the leak was new.
Am I crazy or does the 2001 Las Vegas skybox look better not just aesthetically but in a technical sense?
Totally right
@@emoldandriel My guess is that they ran into performance issues and had to downgrade for the final version?
@@akinadekile8929 lighting was corrupted in some ways at least thats what ive heard.. just look at the roof rop view at vegas.. it looks impressive and way better than dnf 2011
No I guess its because in unreal engine 1 you have to make the room ( box usually) and put cloudsheets and and lightning in it manually and then define how it rotates if not all - late unreal engines plaeyd a movie instead as skybox and the lightning in 1 gen unrealengines were much easier to work with and did greater - In later because of issues the turned up levellight and then turned down the lights and added sucky distance fog restult it looks bland but meshes looks ok and smooth which i my opinion is what epic wanted - sell a gameengine but sucks with lights
Jari It’s also the menu toggleable post processing effects that makes the view blurry and low res in the video. But even with them off the casinos in the distance look flat and lack shadows and highlights.
id love to play that early 2001 build
You can! It's been leaked
@@arthurhutchinson2755 where is it mate?
The internet archive has a download on it, there’s so much stuff in this 2001 build.
We technically have two of them, an august and October, with minimal difference so far, although I’ve only played October.
Theres even a blockout to what would become dnf‘s dlc in Area 51 maps and a very early moon map.
their mistake was releasing it as a 2011 game, they should have finished it in the 2001 engine and renamed it Duke Nukem Retro or something, then maybe it wouldnt have killed the fucking series
Just call it Duke Nukem 2000 and box that shit up and lets go Son
Feature creep killed this game.
It shouldn't have. It looked great.
@@ericwally6827 now that we know what we could have gotten, i think its fair to call it a modern tragedy
They should have shipped two games, not one. Why not release something you have instead of scrapping it? Duke3D was outdated on the technical side too, but no one cared - it was fun and had a nice design. DNF2001 needed maybe 1-2 years to finish it - with a big enough team. I mean they made Duke3D in 2 years. Even Unreal1 took only 4 years to develop.
@@tiefensucht i think if they stopped adding features for the october build and built the levels they could have shipped the game in 14 months if not 8
I don't Hate DNF 2011 but the 2001 version of DNF makes the 2011 one look 20 times worse
that's a damn shame.
That's because now you know what you are missing.
Yes, considering you don't pull turds out of the toilet and throw them around.
I always though gearbox had slapped just "something" together and called it DNF... but wow... this WAS actually the real DNF - just years too late -.-
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I like both versions. The shooting and the fast-paced gameplay is better in the 2001 version, of course and I prefer the more old school gameplay. However I still enjoyed DNF 2011 very much. I hope the modders can use the assets from the 2011 version and finish the 2001 version so we can all enjoy both.
As much as everyone loves to crap all over Duke Nukem Forever, I think at the very least it deserves credit for preserving so many of 2001's locales and environmental interactions.
For me now it feels even more like its hastly cobbled together by gearbox without much love for the work of 3drealms
@@bigboulder I think it'd be fascinating to know just how much of the final product is 3D Realms's work, and how much was designed by Gearbox (perhaps there's already detailed info out there somewhere)?
@@Chubzdoomer i havent seen anything like that. The only thing that allows for a comparison are the snippets from the jace hall show..and even though the footage is rather wobbely.. the lighting looked way cooler.. everything was way darker and at night time
But the beta version from 2001 sucks
Its the 98 or 99 version that Rocks
@@hondamanvtec2894 2002 rocks* (90% complete 2001 version)
Also, the 98 version had no real gameplay
I still don't understand why they not even include that 2001 as a easter egg or unlockable after beating the game. That move should save their reputation.
Its so awesome to see the prototype.
I really want to play this instead
its on the internet archive
The Batman-Jingle is epic in this build ^^
I actually liked the dnf released game. It was behind the time no doubt, and limiting carried weapons and having recharging health were major missteps, but I had some fun with it. I do wish we got to fight infected edf though.
2001: Duke-Fuckin-Nukem
2011: Douche NobodyGivesAFuck
Lmao the latter is a good insult.
Wow, surprising how much was left the same just got a facelift 10 years later.
its interesting to see that a lot of what we got in the final game, was idea wise already present in the 2001 version.. thats why i wonder what the problem was. as far as i know, the 1997 build, was trashed, du to the engine change. they took to look and used the quake 2 engine, which was outdated, that why they made this version and trailered it in 2001.. but after that came year of silence. they then state, that they wanted to make the best shooter ever and that so many good games realsed with neat ideas, that they wanted to implement alot of them, which took time, but what i see here, is that almost everything from the final game, was already there. sure, the terminator salvation christian bale rant wasnt a thing in 2001 and couldnt be there, but this screams to be, that 3drealms had problems. it feels like, they tried to build a mammoth project with only 30 people, that would have taken 200 to be completed in time and every time, 3d realsm reached 50% with the build afters years, the product they had was already outdated because it took so long and thus, had to be redone almost from scratch, but this time, we have 10 new ideas due to games like hl2, halo und cod that we need to implement, which will take even more time.. and so on an so on. like an single person, trying to build a house and realizes midway, that leaving the inside open for 4 years, causes so much damage, that they had to start over
This!! It really is interesting how much common the 2001 and 2011 versions have. When you look at the 2007 teaser there is no hostile EDF soldiers anymore and the classic Duke 3D aliens are back. Also you can see that many of the 3d models that we see there (2007) are the exact same models that is in the final game. So i think that by 2007 the game was pretty much in the shape we got it in 2011. At least by story, level and enemy desing wise.
This video is perfect for an ultrawide monitor.
Duke Nukem Forever 2011 wasn't even a bad game.
It was just like popcorn B movie.
Rough around the edges,slipping the brain into neutral to coast.
It was fun but pretty mindless.
Not amazing but not bad either.
I fire it up every now and again and still enjoy it.
The DLC was actually a lot better than the main game.
Comparing the 2001 version, I feel some relief knowing in a sense the 2011 version was pretty faithful to it.
I hope one day we get another Duke.
Something on the level of Duke Nukem 3D.
I know it's hard pill to swallow, but it's safe to say if they had release this version of the game at 2011 people reaction would have been exactly what it was towards the final version and majority of people would have just downwright hated it. Some people are just too narrow-minded and impossible to be pleased and that's just reality of it.
This version was supposed to release in 2003 or early 2004, and if it had it would have been a major hit.
Go to grammar class
@@RainyWolf7 Your strict adherence towards Engilsh grammar solidifies this further. I applaud your efforts kiddo.
@@matthewsdicksons5110 wow, one year really did a number
2001 all the way
Gotta love that unreal engine
My dad gave me duke nukem forever when i was around 8 years old
I had to turn the tv on and off multiple times that week.
The prototype was found next to Randy's CP folder
2001 version has that Duke feel
We need like a black mess style remake for this, duke deserves it!
I wonder what would have happended if Duke released around 2001, i feel like he would be around more, sad that he got done dirty the way he did.
He would still have been kicking asses today along with the Slayer and the Chief.
Idk guys I downloaded the ps3 version of this game and got instantly hooked wich is more than I can say of many games out there
Where can you get the prototype?
I enjoyed duke nukem forever, more than doom because the one liners make it more interesting and the aliens look more scary than demons in doom
I Hope someone will remade the hole duke3D Game with the dnf2001 engine
2001 was the peak of its hype build footage. Duke community & fans were so interest to getting those but then got constantly delayed over & over. By 2006, I assumed the hype train was probably died out. Game build footage had gotten worse & boring compared to the several years before. Expecting it to be delayed and be bad when gearbox took over the build iteration. Then boom! Launched in 2011, totally disaster and turn to be the most disappointing game ever came out in its time for sure.
I can also the the superior lightning in the fist unreal engine used and the inferior or maybe impossible to make any good lightning in later unreal engines -
So much hate for this game I actually enjoyed it had more fun with it than other first person shooters during the time.
I don't know who has the rights to duke nukem, but they should take the 2001 version and finish it, and after finishing it make a new version 2023 2024
The 2011 port would've been good, if they had scraped the damn annoying missions and gave it the 2001's story. In short, I'd say the restoration project is better than the 2011 build
The Prototype look like Half Life 1998 Graphics
biggest let down in gaming
Nah. Cyberpunk was, along with Valve's card game.
Cyberpunk turned out decent with some patches, and nobody ever gave a shit about valve's card game to begin with.
What Gearbox did to Duke is devastating.
I dunno what the early version would have been but I'm sure they wouldn't take out out of the experience. My main issue with the final game is how unnecessary all the scenes are and shows that there were too many cooks in the kitchen.
Such as why would Duke faint multiple times and wake up hours later, the constant dick male and female sucking towards Duke even though there are not a single badass moment in the entire game, Why did they have to have an emotional moment with Duke when they take his twins, see's them die but then moments later he's happy slapping around space titties, the dated and unfunny references like Gears, Halo, Leroy Jenkins, Valve puzzles, Donkey Kong, Modern Warfare. It's like taking the Borderlands dialog and forgetting to make it funny.
I remember that I pirated DNF, and the part with the boobs hanging on a wall of that alien cave made me laugh. I stopped playing when I reached like a fast food level. It was one of those strange cases that I regret spending time playing a "game".
Randy Pitchford can't make good games change my mind
Hey this looks like a little bit like postal
I see Deus Ex archetypes :D
Why did you break the scripting on purpose?
Comparations are hateful
Looks like the final game were made boring - polished so it would sell to shareholders
#DukeNukemForever
they had something great going on in 2001 but they instead opted for making this ugly, color corected, blurry, QTE-riddled, health regenerating early 2010s piece of sh
Duke Nukem should be TPS not FPS
Or both like Serious Sam
You must go Before 2001
This game Was going to be great
It turned into the worst game Ever