Our world is filled with people scrambling for power to tell people what to do. What we have here is one who listens to what people need. Bless his message!
Great interview. I think his comments are completely rooted in the Bible. Jesus didn't say: "when I was hungry you preached to me so I could be saved" or "when I was thirsty you gave me a Bible". I love the coin analogy - the Bible says both to preach the good news and to give to the poor.
"once we learn how to really love our neighbor as ourselves, capitalism as we know it will not be possible..and marxism will not be necessary." Great quote.
I have always had the idea that if the church (as a whole) were doing what God intended, there would be no need for government involvement in our lives.
Yes indeed. For evidence of this, look at the increase in self storage facilities. People actually pay tons of money to store their stuff because they have no room at home
and yet Rob Bell is criticized so much for it because of the way he specifically calls out that style of ministry. They both are making the same point, there needs to be a balance between truth and love. As Paul describes how he witnessed to the people of Thessalonica "We were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives" (1 Thes 2:8) Paul realized truth can only be received within the context of relationship born of love which is reiterated in Ephesians 4:15.
Nothing terribly new here...just sadly that many who claim the name of Christian have forgotten so much of it. It is radical to the ways of the world but not radical to the ways of gospel Christianity. Remember St Benedict? Franceis of Assisi? They were only repeating the ancient Christian path. Shane is on the path!
@joernelius :in fact James says almost exactly that - you see someone hungry and you say, "Be fed!", but do nothing about his situation....what have you done that matters?!
The question at 8:20 is great! I agree with what Shane says for the most part, I would love to Know how Shane deals with a person who is caught in sin, a drunkard for example, I work with the poor, and there comes a point where all I have left to give is tuff love..WORDS, words, words, Hell, Judgement, repentance, Salvation, Justification, Grace, and the truth about their sin nature. Does Shane cast out the unrepentanted? We sometimes have to... is that apart of Shane's idea about Jesus?
My brother lives in a sober living house with mostly guys in and out of jail and it is rough but alcohol has nearly killed him several times . So he went out and pan handled enough to buy a bottle of vodka and got so messed up he did not know how to get home ( if you can call it that ) . I drove around till i found him and took him for coffee and food and just hung out . I know he loves God so your answer to how to deal with a drunkard ? Love and patience and kindness but yes , the tough part was I took his bike so he`s stuck for a bit!
we resonate for love, just like instruments resonate when other instruments in the room are vibrating the air with sounds. energy from one instrument to another. we are like that. and i know the resonant properties in us are worth and love because these are the foundational notions on which we act for EVERYTHING. GOD so loved the world HE sent HIS only Son and whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. life starts now: be part of the love Jesus instructed and that...
"We have so much to SHOUT and PROCLAIM with our mouths and very little to show with our lives and with our hands and with our feet. I want a Christianity that offers people something worth believing in... The best way to lead people towards Jesus is when they can feel the spirit of God and when they can feel LOVE and feel hope, St Francis said preach the Gospel always and when necessary use words." I think it's ironic that this is the same message Rob Bell is trying to convey in "Bullhorn".
when looking at the evidence pertaining to what this life is about, i'm looking "within" and outside of myself. i see my need to be loved more than i "deserve" and that others need to be loved by me more than they "deserve". sin and seeming righteous of man are fine, but loving one another in the example of God loving Itself and loving humanity exactly addresses the needs of every single person: to be loved. in the example of Christ, what's important is loving the LORD with all and loving..
@NixonisLord Even if he's wrong (I don't think he is), isn't the world a better place because his community has dedicated their lives to serving the less fortunate, instead of trying to make money and get rich? Wouldn't it be infinitely better if all people who claimed to follow Jesus tried to live like Shane and his friends?
As a homeless person ,i sat across the desk of a multimillionaire christian preacher. Do you think for one minute that he offered me a single dollar? Of coarse not! Ask the televangelists to genuinely sacrifice for the good of mankind and watch the response.
nbanuchu: I wish I could put 10 or 20 thumbs up to your comment. I try explaining the faults of capitalism to people, and they think I'm in love with socialism. Simple minds wanting simple answers, not transcendence.
However, GOD's love is greater than our sin. If you're having a hard time forgiving other for ANYTHING, if you're self-destructive, if you're lonely, if you live for popularity, live for fame, or anything else, i believe this is contrary to your human nature to simply be love and be loved as Jesus' record shows us. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the question someone asked me to ask myself when I didn't know what the point of Jesus was in my life..."ask yourself why you need Jesus". i did, shortly after...
we must follow these commandments. they are nothing short of good for us and good for other simultaneously. we are transceivers, giving and receiving messages all the time. i learned in college there's not a point in our lives we're not doing this exchange,even inadvertently. why be greedy when sharing is possible? why stop being in an open relation with God and trustworthy people? i believe Jesus (Yeshua) loves as He is loved (John 15:9) and that this grace is foundational for ALL neighbors.
understanding Jesus' death for me meant that I could stop trying to earn peoples/GOD's love through being "righteous". this will make a person crazy, trying to earn their way into GOD's affection, or into others' affections. Jesus' death is a new paradigm: instead of me trying to earn love/worthiness, I'm shown I already am worthwhile to GOD and can exert love freely in situations I would normally try to promote myself. Now, GOD has shown me I can promote others' wellbeing. I'm already loved...
acceptance by another being regardless of my good or bad behavior, i'll just have the friction and release and call it 'sex', though it's not. i know it's more complicated than that, because we often form our inadequate/destructive responses to life in the wake of real pain. we should accept GOD's forgiveness in Christ for ourself and exercise that forgiveness toward ourselves and others everyday. it's fuctional. it's real life. love and peace
so I would like to be love. "be holy as I am holy". 1 john 4 says "GOD is love", or GOD exists as love. i believe GOD is wise in love, not sparing discipline when it's needed. I thank GOD for teaching me to value life, to value honoring others, to value myself. Many of these lessons are small, some are even hard. For example, my wife expected me to be on time somewhere, but I'm late. I should respect and love her to honor her time and meet when we say. everything is an opportunity to love
our neighbor as ourselves. I believe God allows us to sin or be righteous, though he commands we love. Jesus (Yeshua) shows us with His life here that for love through obedience He was willing to be a vulnerable human, willing to teach us directly, willing to stare in the face of human pain knowing He'd be sacrificed and call people out for their sins (sin- to miss the mark. to not appropriate a reaction to an action or a doing to a being.) Even God's discipline is grace bc God is willing
man that was a tangent, but these remain the most imperative, universal principals in my life: love the LORD GOD with all I am; love my neighbor as myself; that my worth is already established, and that when i love others, the GOD-likness I am recognizes it and so it is with the GOD-likeness others are. Love starts with GOD, moves through man as GOD work with and through man. People are the temple for the LORD, not a building people sit in. We, dignified humanity, are the likeness of GOD.
we start living heavenly or hell-like now. one actually affirms the needs of our existence and one doesn't. heavenly says I'll contextualize my sexuality in a unbreakable bond called marriage where I can learn to truely love someone and be loved by someone with vulnerability that will require me to accept grace for my hurting of them and to give grace in their hurting of me. hell-like says, hey screw respecting myself and others, i'll disregard the needs for intimacy and un-compromised...
I believe Jesus' sacrifice covers my sin, that this reaffirms my innate, immovable worth in GOD, and sets my heart on not being distracted on trying to artificially fabricate inadequate notions of my worthwhileness in being "good enough", "noticed enough", or being exalted by others. GOD says we're "very good", made in GOD's likeness in Genesis. John chapter 1 says we/all things were created through GOD's Word. GOD's good nature is part of all of us, which is why it's so ironic when we chose sin
Adam was created good, but the entire human race fell into the evil of sin (and the creation became darkened) due to Adam’s rebellion. As a result, we are born with a sinful nature under the curse of sin, as evidenced by the fact that we enter life only to die within a relatively brief span of years.
True. But personally I need God's Bible stories God's words for encouragement plus I get inspiration from my religious community. You should listen to Sister Bridge McKenna she is amazing a gift from heaven.
because of GOD making me aware of it, i realized Jesus promotes the model of a functional person- one who, in my eyes, honors the need to be loved by being love to others and receiving love for themselves no matter what. Jesus' death gives us a reason to start living heavenly now. to start loving each other no matter what. to love people beyond their sins against us, and beyond our sins against them (self-forgiveness). to own forgiveness, we must forgive. to be love, we must receive it...
Jesus was not killed for his loving acts but for his words... keep working on that theology Shane. It would do you well to spend more time in your Bible before you start teaching this type of theology. Jesus was a man of words and without his words what do we have left of Christ.
Jesus was killed because God loved the world. John 3:16. Jesus was a man of love which manifested itself in words and actions. And without His words we have His spirit.
Our world is filled with people scrambling for power to tell people what to do. What we have here is one who listens to what people need. Bless his message!
Great interview. I think his comments are completely rooted in the Bible. Jesus didn't say: "when I was hungry you preached to me so I could be saved" or "when I was thirsty you gave me a Bible". I love the coin analogy - the Bible says both to preach the good news and to give to the poor.
he is our guest speaker at church yesterday Tearing down the WALLS....thank you for sharing us your story shane... God bless you..
Brother takes a literal view of the Book of Acts. Outstanding
this is so good - beautiful, wonderful message!
This is just phenomenal. These ideas are really affecting me. .
"once we learn how to really love our neighbor as ourselves, capitalism as we know it will not be possible..and marxism will not be necessary." Great quote.
I have always had the idea that if the church (as a whole) were doing what God intended, there would be no need for government involvement in our lives.
@@Mark-sj3xb absolutely.
Amen and Amen.......I just love this guy
+SELAHPAUSE Me too.
@mowriter
I'm 70 and hope to live long enough to se the end of capitalism. America is lost in rappant materialism.
Yes indeed. For evidence of this, look at the increase in self storage facilities. People actually pay tons of money to store their stuff because they have no room at home
This is the way we are to act...I applaud Shane and his efforts....
and yet Rob Bell is criticized so much for it because of the way he specifically calls out that style of ministry. They both are making the same point, there needs to be a balance between truth and love. As Paul describes how he witnessed to the people of Thessalonica "We were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives" (1 Thes 2:8) Paul realized truth can only be received within the context of relationship born of love which is reiterated in Ephesians 4:15.
Nothing terribly new here...just sadly that many who claim the name of Christian have forgotten so much of it. It is radical to the ways of the world but not radical to the ways of gospel Christianity. Remember St Benedict? Franceis of Assisi? They were only repeating the ancient Christian path. Shane is on the path!
@joernelius :in fact James says almost exactly that - you see someone hungry and you say, "Be fed!", but do nothing about his situation....what have you done that matters?!
@joernelius
Right. You cannot separate Matt 25 from Matt 28.
The question at 8:20 is great! I agree with what Shane says for the most part, I would love to Know how Shane deals with a person who is caught in sin, a drunkard for example, I work with the poor, and there comes a point where all I have left to give is tuff love..WORDS, words, words, Hell, Judgement, repentance, Salvation, Justification, Grace, and the truth about their sin nature. Does Shane cast out the unrepentanted? We sometimes have to... is that apart of Shane's idea about Jesus?
My brother lives in a sober living house with mostly guys in and out of jail and it is rough but alcohol has nearly killed him several times . So he went out and pan handled enough to buy a bottle of vodka and got so messed up he did not know how to get home ( if you can call it that ) . I drove around till i found him and took him for coffee and food and just hung out . I know he loves God so your answer to how to deal with a drunkard ? Love and patience and kindness but yes , the tough part was I took his bike so he`s stuck for a bit!
@@enidsnarb I’m pretty sure Shane denies the sinful nature and the doctrine of original sin. He is semi pelagian, at a minimum.
we resonate for love, just like instruments resonate when other instruments in the room are vibrating the air with sounds. energy from one instrument to another. we are like that. and i know the resonant properties in us are worth and love because these are the foundational notions on which we act for EVERYTHING. GOD so loved the world HE sent HIS only Son and whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. life starts now: be part of the love Jesus instructed and that...
"We have so much to SHOUT and PROCLAIM with our mouths and very little to show with our lives and with our hands and with our feet. I want a Christianity that offers people something worth believing in... The best way to lead people towards Jesus is when they can feel the spirit of God and when they can feel LOVE and feel hope, St Francis said preach the Gospel always and when necessary use words." I think it's ironic that this is the same message Rob Bell is trying to convey in "Bullhorn".
when looking at the evidence pertaining to what this life is about, i'm looking "within" and outside of myself. i see my need to be loved more than i "deserve" and that others need to be loved by me more than they "deserve". sin and seeming righteous of man are fine, but loving one another in the example of God loving Itself and loving humanity exactly addresses the needs of every single person: to be loved. in the example of Christ, what's important is loving the LORD with all and loving..
@NixonisLord Even if he's wrong (I don't think he is), isn't the world a better place because his community has dedicated their lives to serving the less fortunate, instead of trying to make money and get rich? Wouldn't it be infinitely better if all people who claimed to follow Jesus tried to live like Shane and his friends?
As a homeless person ,i sat across the desk of a multimillionaire christian preacher. Do you think for one minute that he offered me a single dollar? Of coarse not! Ask the televangelists to genuinely sacrifice for the good of mankind and watch the response.
nbanuchu: I wish I could put 10 or 20 thumbs up to your comment. I try explaining the faults of capitalism to people, and they think I'm in love with socialism. Simple minds wanting simple answers, not transcendence.
Everyone sharing like this is like one big insurance policy, without the policy or need for insurance.
However, GOD's love is greater than our sin. If you're having a hard time forgiving other for ANYTHING, if you're self-destructive, if you're lonely, if you live for popularity, live for fame, or anything else, i believe this is contrary to your human nature to simply be love and be loved as Jesus' record shows us. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the question someone asked me to ask myself when I didn't know what the point of Jesus was in my life..."ask yourself why you need Jesus". i did, shortly after...
This is how we are supposed to live!
we must follow these commandments. they are nothing short of good for us and good for other simultaneously. we are transceivers, giving and receiving messages all the time. i learned in college there's not a point in our lives we're not doing this exchange,even inadvertently. why be greedy when sharing is possible? why stop being in an open relation with God and trustworthy people? i believe Jesus (Yeshua) loves as He is loved (John 15:9) and that this grace is foundational for ALL neighbors.
Amen
looks like a good man. with or without his religion -- makes no difference.
understanding Jesus' death for me meant that I could stop trying to earn peoples/GOD's love through being "righteous". this will make a person crazy, trying to earn their way into GOD's affection, or into others' affections. Jesus' death is a new paradigm: instead of me trying to earn love/worthiness, I'm shown I already am worthwhile to GOD and can exert love freely in situations I would normally try to promote myself. Now, GOD has shown me I can promote others' wellbeing. I'm already loved...
acceptance by another being regardless of my good or bad behavior, i'll just have the friction and release and call it 'sex', though it's not. i know it's more complicated than that, because we often form our inadequate/destructive responses to life in the wake of real pain. we should accept GOD's forgiveness in Christ for ourself and exercise that forgiveness toward ourselves and others everyday. it's fuctional. it's real life. love and peace
so I would like to be love. "be holy as I am holy". 1 john 4 says "GOD is love", or GOD exists as love. i believe GOD is wise in love, not sparing discipline when it's needed. I thank GOD for teaching me to value life, to value honoring others, to value myself. Many of these lessons are small, some are even hard. For example, my wife expected me to be on time somewhere, but I'm late. I should respect and love her to honor her time and meet when we say. everything is an opportunity to love
our neighbor as ourselves. I believe God allows us to sin or be righteous, though he commands we love. Jesus (Yeshua) shows us with His life here that for love through obedience He was willing to be a vulnerable human, willing to teach us directly, willing to stare in the face of human pain knowing He'd be sacrificed and call people out for their sins (sin- to miss the mark. to not appropriate a reaction to an action or a doing to a being.) Even God's discipline is grace bc God is willing
Most likely non-denominational, but I think he is a non-denominational who learns from all faiths thus a synthesis of both.
Amen!
man that was a tangent, but these remain the most imperative, universal principals in my life: love the LORD GOD with all I am; love my neighbor as myself; that my worth is already established, and that when i love others, the GOD-likness I am recognizes it and so it is with the GOD-likeness others are. Love starts with GOD, moves through man as GOD work with and through man. People are the temple for the LORD, not a building people sit in. We, dignified humanity, are the likeness of GOD.
Luke 14:33 Forsake All Whosoever KJV then Mark 16:15 because of Romans 10:14-17...
we start living heavenly or hell-like now. one actually affirms the needs of our existence and one doesn't. heavenly says I'll contextualize my sexuality in a unbreakable bond called marriage where I can learn to truely love someone and be loved by someone with vulnerability that will require me to accept grace for my hurting of them and to give grace in their hurting of me. hell-like says, hey screw respecting myself and others, i'll disregard the needs for intimacy and un-compromised...
I believe Jesus' sacrifice covers my sin, that this reaffirms my innate, immovable worth in GOD, and sets my heart on not being distracted on trying to artificially fabricate inadequate notions of my worthwhileness in being "good enough", "noticed enough", or being exalted by others. GOD says we're "very good", made in GOD's likeness in Genesis. John chapter 1 says we/all things were created through GOD's Word. GOD's good nature is part of all of us, which is why it's so ironic when we chose sin
Adam was created good, but the entire human race fell into the evil of sin (and the creation became darkened) due to Adam’s rebellion. As a result, we are born with a sinful nature under the curse of sin, as evidenced by the fact that we enter life only to die within a relatively brief span of years.
You never have to be a Christian, or even religious, to do the right thing.
True. But personally I need God's Bible stories God's words for encouragement plus I get inspiration from my religious community. You should listen to Sister Bridge McKenna she is amazing a gift from heaven.
because of GOD making me aware of it, i realized Jesus promotes the model of a functional person- one who, in my eyes, honors the need to be loved by being love to others and receiving love for themselves no matter what. Jesus' death gives us a reason to start living heavenly now. to start loving each other no matter what. to love people beyond their sins against us, and beyond our sins against them (self-forgiveness). to own forgiveness, we must forgive. to be love, we must receive it...
Genesis says you were made in the image of.
Jesus was not killed for his loving acts but for his words... keep working on that theology Shane. It would do you well to spend more time in your Bible before you start teaching this type of theology. Jesus was a man of words and without his words what do we have left of Christ.
Jesus was killed because God loved the world. John 3:16. Jesus was a man of love which manifested itself in words and actions. And without His words we have His spirit.
wow. rock on
"Christianity is the perfect kindergarten for communism"
-Ayn Rand.
Question. Is Shane Catholic or non-denominational?
mussman717word Trinitarin Pentecostal
This mans giving is no sin
There is not a new kind of Christianity, you are saved or you are not...there is nothing new under the Sun....