Big Oroville Update -1.1 $Billion 6 Sept 2018
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Misleading KCRA media report.
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Appreciate your diligence in covering this ongoing project. Watch all of your videos... Loving the verity... Thanks for sharing.
KCRA TV used to be a very good area media source, unfortunately, they seem to be following the general media trend of lower quality reporting and more sensationalizing. Times have sure changed. 😞. Excellent report, as usual, Juan.
I agree. It's all about the almighty advertising dollar.
Well said. The who, what where, when, why is missing. TV is seven seconds of video, 90 seconds of commercial. I have been told one can no longer get a degree in journalism. Don't know if investigative reporting is still alive.
Some reasons:
1- Media has always been bad, we were just never able to find out and spread the word how bad they were until the internet. Those great journalists of yesteryear did a fair bit of sensationalistic reporting themselves. I recall a news outlet in the early 90s rigging a car to be more likely to ignite when they crash tested it to determine if the gas tank location was unsafe.
2- The internet has made news nearly free, taking away most of the profit for news gatherers. The big media outlets are small shells of their former selves, and real reporters, out collecting and collating information are expensive. Most news nowadays comes from Twitter or an underpaid, underqualified reporter hastily dispatched to a news conference.
3- clickbait culture and ideologically segmented media markets guarantee that the most sensationalistic headline that can be put on an article will be. Even at the expense of the long term reputation of the media outlet. Clicks equal page views, equal ad views, equal income. The quality of the product, the news, is largely secondary for cash flow challenged news outlets.
4- our education system has been changed from one that was designed to produce well informed, well rounded citizens to one that produces the right ideology. A J school journalist no doubt knows all about social justice, racism in America, etc. But they don't seem to teach actual basic journalism, how to properly research and source a topic, and how to keep their own opinions out of their reporting.
It is sad, but it is what it is. Guys like Juan, places like Twitter and Facebook have become the defacto place to get the straight scoop. But you have to look for it, and sift through the garbage and propaganda to find it.
Remind me again now, this was the emergency spillway, the one that looks like a gold pan, and it would never need to be used again, ever, that one? What a good dad you are Juan, this is what building confidence in children looks like, a parent who really sees them and encourages them to be the people they are meant to be.
:) smart kids ! when my daughter was 3, I came home and she announced she had learned to count to 100 - which, she's one of "those" kids who would blow your mind from time to time.... so I bit and asked to hear her get as far as she could... "One, two, skip a few, ninety-nine, one-hundred"... (she's an important lawyer now 30 years later)
Lyle...LOL...Absolutely..a born lawyer...!!
Isn't that how lawyer charge their clients ?
Umm... not in my experience. You really come to appreciate lawyers when you need one, and they are well worth their cost then.... (she doesn't have clients btw)
Watching from the UK. Great video as always presented by 3 top quality reporters. Juan, The Kids and the Luscombe all in one vid.
Makes perfect sense Juan. State and water districts take subscribers and tax payers monies, uses them for expenditures other that maintenance and upkeep of the water district, then demands money to pay for fixes that were supposed to be covered from original fees paid.
Your crack team of financial advisors has a better grasp of financial items than government in most locations. Plus one for TEAM BROWNE!
Thank you sir......Enjoy your factual reports and updates.
I learned something today...
you have to carry the 1... this explains everything.
Great reporting as always Juan! I've worked in procurement for 40 years both in the commercial and government sectors and I actually think the $1.1 billion is not bad considering the massive size of the job! You have a great Accountant there!!!
I agree. Before they are done, and that would include repairing the spillway gates, I would not be surprised if they were in the $1.75 to $2.0 billion range. That's a one-time cost of about $70 per citizen of the Great Cali Republic. Frankly, it is money well spent. Heck, we spend over $13 billion PER YEAR to incarcerate 137,000 felons (about $95 thousand each and every year, per inmate, or a yearly cost to each Cali citizen of over $400).
Thank you Pete for “Showing Me the Money 💰! And Julianne for the Ace ♥️ reporting just like Dad! Great Job Juan!
My favorite reporter! Nice exposure of "fake news" - typical!
Juan - you do great and thanks. :)
Let's call the 'fake news' for what it really is. It's deliberate LYING...!!
I expect more from KCRA.
Let's be specific, though. It's not "fake" news, it's "inadequate" news.
Many (not all) news reporters these days simply are not motivated to do their jobs well. They're commit driven by their corporate managers to complete tasks with minimal effort and maximum efficiency, and that's why we get bad reporting. It has nothing to do with politics or some bizzare conspiracy that the news wants to get everything wrong. It's simply the result that you get when you dictate efficiency over quality.
you are spot on. I almost feel enclined to apologise for the absurd, troll reactions that as they always occur seem inevitable nowadays. some fine countrymen.. you do some good little piece of analysis and the very first one to respond is someone who can only think 'butthole' and 'stink'. As being aggressive is also already on the part of this type of being, I am afraid there is no other route than the further promotion of the idea of peaceful coexistence, even though I do not really favour to coexist with any of the type that utters this way and that seem to have no other, better higher, or be it even somewhat more spiritual thought
why call it fake news,how about bad or unprofessional reporting.i think it is wrong to call all mainstream media fake news! just my 2 cents!
The firefighting cost sure does put the Oroville cost in perspective.
Yeah, how much of that is profit?
The sad thing is if someone from the media told people to jump off a cliff half the people would listen and jump off the cliff, and NOT Question them.
Thanks for linking the KCRA report! Good reporting Juan!
thank you so much for all your hard work and honest reporting. When I first saw the news about the dam and all the problems happening there I didn't realize just how huge this thing is until I started to watch all the videos about the work being done to repair it I love to follow all the progress and thank you so much for all your reporting. I used to work in construction, I was a welder on a pile driving project in Vermont and when I look at all going on there I am amazed at the scope of the work being done and just how fast it is being completed.
Great job, Juan! If they can’t get that right how in the world can they get national politics right? We appreciate your integrity in reporting all of these issues.
Thank you Juan and Pete! Great presentation and analysis on financials.
How dare you be clear and concise and Report the true facts.
Thankyou Juan from Melbourne Australia, unambiguous, clear and concise young reporter and mathematician, Dad you are very easy to understand also. Thankyou again.
Juan, You set a great example of how engaged we should be as citizens.
Follow Juan's lead!!
It is fortunate that this project is able to use the sand and aggregate that are on location. I live in CT. and we have a disaster unfolding in the eastern part of the state due to defective concrete and it is a problem for many thousands of homeowners. Aggregate from a quarry was apparently never properly tested. The aggregate contains a mineral called Pyrrhotite which causes the concrete to crack and fall apart. There is no repair process - the foundation must be replaced. If the aggregate at Oroville had been found to be unsatisfactory the final repair bill would probably be a much uglier number.
We're lucky that most of the aggregate around the Oroville area is granite based.
So what concrete companies in CT did not test their product?? Yes, California is Rich in mineral content of all kinds
Thanks Blanco !!Good job - I really dislike the press here too in the UK !
It's really something else over there!
The media....misrepresenting the facts....SHOCKER!!!! LMAO Thank you, Juan, for spreading the facts.
3:44 👍 Pete is as great as his father
Oh Juan, the look on your face is priceless.
Thanks to you and your "consultant Assistant Pete" for another awesome update.
BTW the phrase should be " set in concrete" instead of stone.😎
Hey Juan, top notch report on an always fascinating Oroville Dam. Great and humorous work by your crack financial team, you show wonderful patience with your kids that`s nice to see. I understand your frustration with muck raking media, it gets a little tedious. I see a very conscientious effort by all involved to make this dam as solid as possible to protect lives and economic interests. Well done!
Yet, another outstanding report, thanks Juan.
Breaking it down 1st grade style! Great job Pete.
Juan, as always, thank you for your reporting on this project. It is so far above the MSM it's not even a competition. Thank you for attempting to discern the facts and relate them to the rest of us in a meaningful manner. I wish the MSM would take a cue from you on this. God bless ya.
The mighty Luscombe and the kids when they were young. Perfect 🎸 Oh yeah, great reaction shot to the 1.1 billion 🎸
Juan, this has been a impressive and exciting journey with you as you have shown all your dam updates and commentary. I can think of no other news reports that have been as thorough and complete as yours has been.
Thanks for keeping us updated Juan! Great job! I love that you incorporate your kids too. They both did such a great job!!!
Whooot! An update on Oroville, finally. Thanks, Blanco!
But don't get me wrong -- I LOVE your other vids on the bikes, hikes and your likes.
agreed, and the Progress on the Spillways looks fantastic. B)
The lad approaches this the same way the government does. "Uhhh.....MONEY."
Thank you once again for a great report! And thank you for calling out the mainstream fools. Yet another example of why I don't listen to ANY of them anymore. Real reporting in truth only comes from people like you, my friend!
Juan….. you are absolutely Right you are true reporter on spillway thanks.
Thanks again, Juan!
Top notch report as always Juan. Your look of complete exasperation when mentioning the KCRA report spoke volumes, you really didn't need words for that bit! The emergency spillway with the terracing effect looks amazing from the air, will be interesting to see what it's like when all the construction work is finished.
Thank you Juan,Julianne and Pete
I was waiting for you to say that the KCRA story was utter “horse shit.” You kept it together. Nice job, Juan.
damn near bit my tongue off...
blancolirio ...I bet it’s equally as difficult to resist the urge to post on their page about how BS their story is.
Excellent updates as usual. I always look forward to your reports.
I was expecting "bollocks", then I realized this is an American channel
you can see the word 'bullshit' forming in juans mouth - but the stranges it down and keeps his composure. You may switch to ground on 125 point niner, have a good day.
I hear your frustration with the report from KRCA. They did not get it wrong, the rating is correct. They over hyped it with the tag line. In this case like many other ‘BREAKING NEWS”, hype attracts readers, viewers. Viewers mean more revenue. Today news is more ‘entertainment”. Stop watching/reading delivered news. Watch UA-cam with great stuff from Juan Brown. Bye the way you are a great Dad🤠🤠
Do not make excuses for these liars. They are lazy and do not do their jobs.
I very much wanted to add my concerns about today's "news culture" and how it is presented. Juan, do you make a point of correcting news outlets when they put out these kinds of reports? ie; the infamous Green Spot comes to mind. From my perspective, the future of democracy is at risk because it has become so hard for some, to distinguish the facts from the Bullshit. If you remember the movie about the Tucker car, all it took to start investment dollars rolling in was the realization that if the public saw the car in print, in newspapers and magazines, that they would believe an actual car existed and they would happily turn over their money! Such is the faith that people used to have in their media to report the truth. Deserved or not. Most were deserved. Newspapers have always been a great way for some to get rich going right back to the beginning and they certainly didn't always tell the truth but usually, it was recognised for what it was. Walter Chronkite. We need you back.
Thomas A. Walker The future of democracy is indeed at risk. They will come for the free and open internet next. If they succeed it's over.
The statement at 16:05 also seems less than accurate, that once the work is done, the Division of Safety of Dams will re-evaluate... this suggests that these inspectors are sitting back on their fat behinds in their comfy swivel chairs in their air-conditioned office, doing nothing till they get the call - and will then go strolling out like Buford T Justice looking for anything suspect.
If it’s run like any residential construction project, inspections should be continuous and ongoing. The final sign off should just be a formality. If not, then “something’s terribly wrong somewhere”, to quote Colonel Lionel Mandrake...
It is not open, it is engineered to stifle free discourse and exchange of ideas, and opinions. I don't know the answer but big tech is controlling what you read and see on your tv.
Juan,
Thank you for this report and all your efforts! Much respect to you as a veteran, pilot, reporter, and father.
God bless you and your family.
Paul
Thank you Juan for once again correctly reporting on the Oroville dam repair work
Ha! Close as I've seen you come to a rant Juan. Thanks for the update. Your time and effort put into these reports is appreciated.
Great update, Juan, especially calling out a local TV station on their fear-mongering--cheap shot of them! As usual, you give facts, not fear, and perspective, not misdirection and manipulation .. unlike that TV station! Your crack Blancolirio team are gaining such sophistication of subjects and interaction with the audience that they are totally disarming and charming at the same time--great tutelage on the part of their overseeing masters! Have definitely shared!
Great job Juan on presenting real facts and asking real questions. Congrats Julianne and way to go Pete. Im on the east coast so to get the real news on this, I only read and watch DWR and your vids to get the real story about what is happening.
Thanks for the great update! Don't forget to reference the great DWR videos on UA-cam as well for progress reports. Sent you some fuel tips.
Good point. Thanks!
Very informative. I'm a carpenter (retired since 2012) and I worked on "the big dig" in Boston for different contractors over a period of five or six years from 1997 until 2002. I worked for a few different giant construction companies such as Kiewit, Modern Continental Const Co., Perini Corp., and Cashman Const. on different phases of that project. Kiewit was easily the best, safest, most professional outfit of the bunch. I was proud to have worked for them.
Excellent!
Great job Pete! 👍
Always a pleasure watching your informative presentations
Thanks for keeping us updated on Orville. Great work brother!
Thanks to a "top notch" team for this report.
Wow, what a great presentation
Thanks for all your hard, dedicated work Juan
Keep an eye on your 6 Juan. You have a reporter coming up that's not going to let a glass ceiling stop her.
The enormous scale of the original project is probably beyond the ability of any state to afford today. At Grand Coulee, their tour guide said that that system could never be built today because of the costs. There are many damaged moving parts to this unique Oroville system, such as the second power plant, end-stage trunnion gate structure, and erosion corridors on the face of the main dam, which have yet to be addressed. The old spillway was thin. This one is so thick, the weight of a mile long stretch of RCC and concrete, on a 25% grade, is requiring additional ties to the bedrock - which undermine the integrity of the concrete. A huge amount of money will be required to keep this system operational in the future. I hope a new approach is being considered before another billion is poured into the repairs.
Lad A Dog The entire project seems to be overbuilt.
Just going to show (prove) that even a 6 year old can do the math-even when MSM just cannot manage it! Thanks to both Pete and Julianne for your help & congrats young lady on your new position with the PRESS!!!! Thats SUPER DUPER!!!! Taking after Grandma and Dad-doing some writing. Good luck!
Thank you Juan for your informative videos. I also feel your frustrations with the mainstream media.
Thank you for another update. It's my favorite yet!
Great reporting on that damn issue glad I ran across the channel during that disaster always a pleasure seeing you interacting with the kids.👍
Thanks again Juan for your time an knowledge also fir getting the story right about the rating. Great truthful honesty, an integrity in your reporting something the major news outlets need to follow
You go Pete, you go young man!
Thanks again Juan for your honesty and passion. Keep up the good work.
Good work Juan. You and DWR are doing a great job of keeping us updated. Thank you!
1.1 B is a bargain. I worked in the construction of Fujitsu's FAB-2 [Intel Chip Plant & Silicon Wafer Plant] in Gresham back in the 90s and the cost was 1.2B
Doesn't a plant making a product have a better ROI? As in the investment is returned by profit of the product produced at the plant. Is this plant going to give away 1.1B in power to tax payers? Water? or is it more complicated to measure the ROI on something like flood protection, water storage etc? That Intel plant had investors that knew they would make many more dollars back off the investment. This isn't the case on repairing a dam.
If you had good enough data from before the dam was built you could calculate the improvement in agricultural productivity from the irrigation and flood control that the dam provides and call that the ROI. Other potential benefits are much harder to quantify.
FLoat, actually, FAB-2 never went into full production because by the time it was finished [2 years], it was archaic... Moore's Law and all. So, 1.1B kind of wasted.
As opposed to benefits of a dam in CA. Dams are infrastructure, most infrastructure is a very necessary "waste of money".
Oroville dam makes momey in three ways. Firstly, it saves the government a lot of money every few years when it prevents major, widespread flooding. Secondly, it creates a saleable commodity- water. And thirdly, it generates enough electricity to make supply of that water cheap for the owner of the dam.
ROI is not relevant on infrastructure projects- they are not an avoidable expense. Their costs are amortised by way of improvements in efficiency of the economy in general, which fosters industry.
At a guess, I would say just in the valley below Oroville dam, the increases in agricultural efficiency the farmers enjoy would pay for the costs in 10-15 years, and their earnings directly filter back to government through direct and indirect taxes, supply fees for water etc. Never mind the fact that the very next flood this dam prevents will have paid for these repairs ten times over.
ROI is a simplistic, shareholder greed driven point of view, which is why so many companies don't re-invest in themselves anymore, preferring to pander to the wants of their short sighted shareholders who want instant gratification.
Thanks for the update. The financial analysis at the beginning was the best part.
Once again, excellent report Juan. Thanks for the dam update!! I sure can't wait for that update on the wall fire area so we can compare before and after for some of the area affected by the fire Thanks again Juan!
I do not know what they teach in Journalism Schools today. I suspect the mainstream media corporate bosses (who foot some of their bills) are asking them to teach how to get the most eyeballs on their broadcasts with the emphasis on exposing any negative sounding factor. This is a very big change from the news as it was when I was young, but the broadcast media in those days of just "the six o'clock news" got their press conference stories from the print media who had fact checkers, and the time to make the follow up calls to get it right.
24/7 news coverage has short-changed us all, I fear, as they use roughly the same staff size, but I think they must try to do both video editing and post on their web sites with the same overworked personnel.
On Point as always ! God bless Juan Browne and Family.
Absolutely fantastic report! I like your crack mathematical team. I’m glad to see your back in the air in the Mighty Luscombe and once again able to give us a bird’s eye view of the dam. Thanks for clarifying the fake news.
Thx Juan. Thx Pete. Thx Julianne! Great report!
Great family. Great presentation. Blessings to you and your beautiful family.
Yeah Mighty Luscombe !
Thank you and your team for the update
Another great report, Juan. Thanks.
Re: the dentates(sp?) It seems to me that they maybe didn't anticipate how much there was to do. They started out with "pressure washers" (my term) and ended up using the big pavement breaker.
Juan your reporting is fantastic! thank you for the detail oriented work that you put into your videos. Keep up sir!
If your children represent our future, I feel we are in excellent hands! Cheers to such a great dad!!!
Enjoyed meetig your children. Love your patience!!!! Enjoy the years as they will slip by way too fast. from Texas, R&B.
They may be raising fear and discontent...but they’re also raising money. They only make money if we keep watching. That is their motivation. Thanks Juan for actually reporting honestly.
Not surprised the MSM got it wrong! Once this is all over, you'll have to fly us up there once in a while to see the dam, please, I find I will miss these little trips! :) Thanks, Juan!
Your reports are the only ones I watch on this other than DWR. The best on the web honest reports. Keep up great work.
Juan, I subscribed to your channel because you report FACTS and do so in an entertaining way. Thank you.
Thanks once again Juan for the great work.
Thanks for including the children!! You’re giving good training and set a great example. Good update as usual.
They love you when the media qt is on...always great questions and will always get respected replies....cheers Juan..👍🏼😊
So cool that you involve the kids in stuff like this. They will remember it forever, and be better educated for it.
Thank You Mr. Browne another fine report
Thank You for report. Amazing that after year still a lot of job has to be done.
Stay safe.
Great update, Juan! Congratulations to Julianne for "getting in the game"! Pete did a great job as well! Thanks, Juan!
This is why its so important to personally fact check any "news" source. Thank you for this report on Oroville....and appause to Pete for figureing out all the expenses. For those who gripe about cost, well, it was pointed out that the cost for the 2017 fire season was something like 12 billion. Yes, civilization is expensive folks.
I love how you find out the nitty grittty details, like the RCC plant off line for routine maintenance, etc.. with work to resume on the ES on the 10th..
Juan, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for clarifying the real issues here. Keep it up, and keep naming names as to which media outlets are failing and promoting bad information.
I have a quibble though - you're tarring a whole lot of good journalists in the "mainstream media" who aren't misinforming by using that term. KCRA doesn't represent all MSM.
All I'm asking is that you be specific and don't smear the rest of us. Thanks, and thanks again for the excellent journalism.
Thanks Kevin. What concerns me is a local outlet picks up the local story, gets it wrong, then it gets repeated worldwide by the AP, and never gets corrected.
I know! That's infuriating.
The prespective you brought to this project is highly commendable Jaun. A plauque with your name on it has to be considered.
Thanks for the update and the great work of your chief financial analyst there - great work Pete.
Excellent staff work!
Thanks, great report
Excellent Reporting Thanks Juan
Great report Juan thx. You have two swell kids Juan! Good for you Julianne and Pete!
Re MSM and "fake news." MSM being bad does not make the alternatives better. Don't tell me the crapola that Alex Jones spews tops MSM. For the most part I'll take MSM but it's relatively easy to spot the good guys, Juan being the best example I've seen. Keep up the great work Juan!
Thanks Juan. I love when you include the kids.
This is your best video ... made me laugh right out loud.
This reminds me why I cancelled cable and only watch youtube........... Love it