This is exactly my life right now. For the past few years I've been deeply struggling with staying true to myself and making/accepting the brave realization that the career I went to school for (even got my Masters in it) is not where my heart is at...and honestly, I don't think it ever was. I'm taking the steps to transition into design and it's both the scariest thing, while also feeling very right. I struggle with not always feeling confident in my skills, as most of us do, but after completing projects, I take a step back and look at what I've created, and it always brings reassurance that yes, this is what my path is supposed to look like. This period of change, transition and growth is absolutely the hardest thing I've ever had to go through, on a personal level, and although I've spent these few years learning and embracing my craft (which I'm very proud of), it's also been the HARDEST mental struggle I've ever, ever encountered... true depression at it's peak. When they say growing pains...it sure is...painful. But I've truly gotten to the point of feeling like desperation - I need and will make this career transition. I have to. I am going to. I hope everyone reading this will continue to be brave, and strong, and have the courage and faith to trust yourself.
Thank you for having this conversation - I've changed my career path many times and as I write this I'm in the middle of yet another one (a shift from graphic design to UX). My imposter hangups are in full go-mode because I have a lot to learn and my heart isn't truly into it (even though I'm pretty good at design). My heart is in fine art... painting, collage, and tangible objects. Even poetry. Those are messy and dirty pursuits that have a slow and regular rhythm (like me) vs. the media marketplace which has an ever increasing professional pace. BUT I'M NOT *DOING* THEM. I want to do them, but I'm inert. As I wrestle with this and consider what my next steps could be, the perceived opinions of my parents echo... introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt as I discern if, at my age, it's "wise" to pursue yet another career. But if I do - even with the learning curve and no certainty of success - it may finally awaken the "sleeper," and introduce the joy I've been searching for all along.
can I just say this resonated with me 100% am going through my own healing journey and everything you’re saying applies as an Asian American we often times don’t know what our or wants are because we are just reacting all the time it’s time for us to take back control and have agency and do what we want because we want to not because we were told to. Thank you so much for your story and I hope to one day inspire my loved ones to evaluate themselves similarly because I believe we all can live in our genius zone. The big leap is awesome btw.
Thank you so much. The Korean culture is so authoritarian and patriarchal that it can be incredibly hard to travel a different path; I had a lot of conflict with my parents. What made it hard was that most of my life I didn't know what I wanted, all I knew was what I didn't want, for the reasons you wrote above. I hope the next generations have more freedom to be who they are, without having to carry such a heavy load of familial expectations and to always cast a perfect reflection of the parents.
This is perfect timing! I have been really struggling with what I want to do next and feeling with the shame of walking away from a career of climbing the corporate creative ladder. Thanks for the hit upside the head! ❤ much needed!
One of the best interviews I have ever watched!! Chris and Jule are jems! I hope you do more together in the futur! I resonated so much about growing up in an Asian tiger house.. if I'm not working, I'm not achieving, then who am I? I felt Jule was in my head. Thank you for your perspective, Jule and Chris!!
FOMO 12:11 I think it’s the idea of not wanting to be complacent and also the idea of knowing there is more to life The acceptance of mastery but also alignment When you know there is something more than this.. and industry of services and feedback once you reach mastery’ you seek a new adventure. It’s could be the lack of commitment Knowing you love something rather trying being mediocre
This must resonate with so many people (including myself). Amazing chat guys. Really powerful. So what if you suffer from all 5? 2yrs learning design. Then I still couldn't bear being judged. So I set out to master marketing and branding. 4yrs later... Noone has seen my work or learned from my own knowledge. Can't bear the thought of someone judging me or telling me I'm no good. Even the thought of not every single client throwing themselves at me. In my mind, that's a big fat FAIL. I won't take any help from anyone or even have other designers critique my work. So I sit, putting 30-40hrs a week in. Improving my knowledge and skills. Not moving forward. At all. This opens up a can of worms. Achieving a lot in childhood and never receiving acknowledgment from parents. Yikes! No wonder I'm so fascinated with psychology. What to do...... I need a life coach or mentor. Big time! Too stubborn. That makes me a failure. 😢
Also, I wonder if anyone out there in the design space needs an accountability partner? There's no point in just listening to such a great chat that makes us realise just why we're self sabotaging, if we don't intend to do anything about it. Surely having someone who holds you to your goals and gives you constructive feedback as well as encouragement is instrumental in our progress? Identifying this isn't enough. I for one find strength in encouraging others and knowing I may have made a difference. It gives me confidence. If someone does need this(as do I) reach out. ❤
Loved this. Awesome podcast from the both of you. But, I've had to face the reality again... IMPOSTER SYNDROME is my biggest issue. I can identify with 4 of the 5 types and this is really why I procrastinate.
It is for many of us, Alvina. It still creeps up on me at times. The question is how one can still go do the things without letting it stop you? Not saying it'll be easy, by any means.
Really relatable conversation and took notes during this interview, thank you so much for talking about this! Already booked a first session with Jules for next year.
I resonate SO much with this. Your style of teaching, Chris, has helped me a lot. You're not a bad teacher at all. I probably had the same parenting style you had, rigid and "just do it". (I'm Italian btw, asians don't have the monopoly :'D ) Still, you helped me get a little more ready for action, but I've experienced the same problems she shared. I didn't even know that there were different types of impostor syndromes! I didn't realize that I was, and currently am (right now as I'm writing), tricking myself and hindering my progress. Thanks for making this. It couldn't be more appropriate time in my life. It's one thing to think about these things, but it's another when another person says it.
Here's what might sound like a dumb question, but I'm honestly asking it: What makes you believe quitting your job is necessary to start your digital marketing business?
Career transitions is a form of self love You want to elevate yourself by way of knowing “this is not enough “ You’re being honest and leaning in growth 0:48 When you stay curious you never want to settle. 1:33
This subject hits close to home for me. In full transparency, as an Asian American with tiger parents and an overly successful brother, my perspective on what constitutes success has led to a sense of unattainable goals and a pursuit of my father's respect. A blend of perfectionist and soloist has been my modus operandi for as long as I can remember, and just hearing Jules discuss these subjects with personal experience brings a sense of peace to these internal struggles. Thank you for sharing such a deep topic; very much a reflection of my own journey.
I'm so glad, Mike. My dad kept pressuring me to do more with my life, until one day I asked him, isn't it enough if I'm happy living my life? He never said anything again after that. I know not all parents would respect that. I'm lucky that my dad did. I hope you continue your journey and stay true to yourself.
Wow. This couldn’t have resonated more. Could I chose D. All of The Above - when it comes to the types of perfectionists? I have bounced around so many careers and am still trying to find my place. This really resonated. Thank you for this interview! 😊
Hi Chris, Thank you so much! I am learning a lot from you. I love watching you and learning from you in UA-cam. I just have a change of career, from an employee (customer service representative) to building my own (freelance) agency which will cater the same service. I am just struggling how to make this, so I am looking for vlogs because maybe I can get an information. Can you help? I would love to meet you in person here in the Philippines. I thank God for your life.❤😊
This is exactly my life right now. For the past few years I've been deeply struggling with staying true to myself and making/accepting the brave realization that the career I went to school for (even got my Masters in it) is not where my heart is at...and honestly, I don't think it ever was. I'm taking the steps to transition into design and it's both the scariest thing, while also feeling very right. I struggle with not always feeling confident in my skills, as most of us do, but after completing projects, I take a step back and look at what I've created, and it always brings reassurance that yes, this is what my path is supposed to look like. This period of change, transition and growth is absolutely the hardest thing I've ever had to go through, on a personal level, and although I've spent these few years learning and embracing my craft (which I'm very proud of), it's also been the HARDEST mental struggle I've ever, ever encountered... true depression at it's peak. When they say growing pains...it sure is...painful. But I've truly gotten to the point of feeling like desperation - I need and will make this career transition. I have to. I am going to. I hope everyone reading this will continue to be brave, and strong, and have the courage and faith to trust yourself.
Stay strong, my friend.
The intimacy & modesty in this conversation is so rare. LOVE and watched every episode you two had together.
Inspired.
Thank you for having this conversation - I've changed my career path many times and as I write this I'm in the middle of yet another one (a shift from graphic design to UX). My imposter hangups are in full go-mode because I have a lot to learn and my heart isn't truly into it (even though I'm pretty good at design). My heart is in fine art... painting, collage, and tangible objects. Even poetry. Those are messy and dirty pursuits that have a slow and regular rhythm (like me) vs. the media marketplace which has an ever increasing professional pace. BUT I'M NOT *DOING* THEM.
I want to do them, but I'm inert. As I wrestle with this and consider what my next steps could be, the perceived opinions of my parents echo... introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt as I discern if, at my age, it's "wise" to pursue yet another career. But if I do - even with the learning curve and no certainty of success - it may finally awaken the "sleeper," and introduce the joy I've been searching for all along.
can I just say this resonated with me 100% am going through my own healing journey and everything you’re saying applies as an Asian American we often times don’t know what our or wants are because we are just reacting all the time it’s time for us to take back control and have agency and do what we want because we want to not because we were told to. Thank you so much for your story and I hope to one day inspire my loved ones to evaluate themselves similarly because I believe we all can live in our genius zone. The big leap is awesome btw.
Thank you so much. The Korean culture is so authoritarian and patriarchal that it can be incredibly hard to travel a different path; I had a lot of conflict with my parents. What made it hard was that most of my life I didn't know what I wanted, all I knew was what I didn't want, for the reasons you wrote above. I hope the next generations have more freedom to be who they are, without having to carry such a heavy load of familial expectations and to always cast a perfect reflection of the parents.
This is perfect timing! I have been really struggling with what I want to do next and feeling with the shame of walking away from a career of climbing the corporate creative ladder. Thanks for the hit upside the head! ❤ much needed!
Hi Lauren, do I get to ask where you're at now? This comment is like a cliffhanger!
Her voice is just so soothing.
🤗
One of the best interviews I have ever watched!! Chris and Jule are jems! I hope you do more together in the futur! I resonated so much about growing up in an Asian tiger house.. if I'm not working, I'm not achieving, then who am I? I felt Jule was in my head. Thank you for your perspective, Jule and Chris!!
Thank you
Thank you so much. You are more than what you do. 👏
What a sweet conversation. I particularly liked the part about the followers and how Chris responded. I felt quite at home with you guys. ❤
FOMO 12:11
I think it’s the idea of not wanting to be complacent and also the idea of knowing there is more to life
The acceptance of mastery but also alignment
When you know there is something more than this..
and industry of services and feedback once you reach mastery’ you seek a new adventure.
It’s could be the lack of commitment
Knowing you love something rather trying being mediocre
This must resonate with so many people (including myself). Amazing chat guys. Really powerful.
So what if you suffer from all 5? 2yrs learning design. Then I still couldn't bear being judged. So I set out to master marketing and branding. 4yrs later... Noone has seen my work or learned from my own knowledge. Can't bear the thought of someone judging me or telling me I'm no good. Even the thought of not every single client throwing themselves at me. In my mind, that's a big fat FAIL. I won't take any help from anyone or even have other designers critique my work. So I sit, putting 30-40hrs a week in. Improving my knowledge and skills. Not moving forward. At all.
This opens up a can of worms. Achieving a lot in childhood and never receiving acknowledgment from parents. Yikes! No wonder I'm so fascinated with psychology. What to do...... I need a life coach or mentor. Big time! Too stubborn. That makes me a failure. 😢
Also, I wonder if anyone out there in the design space needs an accountability partner? There's no point in just listening to such a great chat that makes us realise just why we're self sabotaging, if we don't intend to do anything about it.
Surely having someone who holds you to your goals and gives you constructive feedback as well as encouragement is instrumental in our progress? Identifying this isn't enough. I for one find strength in encouraging others and knowing I may have made a difference. It gives me confidence.
If someone does need this(as do I) reach out. ❤
Loved this. Awesome podcast from the both of you.
But, I've had to face the reality again... IMPOSTER SYNDROME is my biggest issue. I can identify with 4 of the 5 types and this is really why I procrastinate.
It is for many of us, Alvina. It still creeps up on me at times. The question is how one can still go do the things without letting it stop you? Not saying it'll be easy, by any means.
Wow, this one hits hard.. thank you so much, really made me think a lot about myself and my choices :)
Really relatable conversation and took notes during this interview, thank you so much for talking about this! Already booked a first session with Jules for next year.
You guys are awesome. Thanks for this episode ❤
I was a food technologist for 10 years, now I'm a UX designer - this video resonates with me.
I resonate SO much with this.
Your style of teaching, Chris, has helped me a lot. You're not a bad teacher at all. I probably had the same parenting style you had, rigid and "just do it". (I'm Italian btw, asians don't have the monopoly :'D )
Still, you helped me get a little more ready for action, but I've experienced the same problems she shared.
I didn't even know that there were different types of impostor syndromes! I didn't realize that I was, and currently am (right now as I'm writing), tricking myself and hindering my progress. Thanks for making this. It couldn't be more appropriate time in my life. It's one thing to think about these things, but it's another when another person says it.
Thank you for watching, Simone. Curious where you're at now, since this was 6 months ago?
Don't sleep on this episode!
minute 29:00 = 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I always want to start my own digital marketing business, but too scared to leave my full time job.
Here's what might sound like a dumb question, but I'm honestly asking it: What makes you believe quitting your job is necessary to start your digital marketing business?
Great Convo!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for sharing this coversation.
I have the same feeling ... That one needs to be born with a creative mind. Please tell me how to acquire skills to get into Graphic Design .
I'm just now seeing this comment. What have you figured out since you posted this?
Aha 😅 I got 3 out of 5 types of Impostor Syndrome. Oh god... 😱
Edited: Uh-oh. 5/5 😂
🤣 it's pretty common!
Career transitions is a form of self love
You want to elevate yourself by way of knowing “this is not enough “
You’re being honest and leaning in growth 0:48
When you stay curious you never want to settle. 1:33
How can you comment already when the video has a duration of over 1 hour and it was published just 25 minutes ago? Is it the 2023 way to say "first!"?
I would love to see more on career switching when you aren't married and plan on working remotely.
This subject hits close to home for me. In full transparency, as an Asian American with tiger parents and an overly successful brother, my perspective on what constitutes success has led to a sense of unattainable goals and a pursuit of my father's respect. A blend of perfectionist and soloist has been my modus operandi for as long as I can remember, and just hearing Jules discuss these subjects with personal experience brings a sense of peace to these internal struggles. Thank you for sharing such a deep topic; very much a reflection of my own journey.
I'm so glad, Mike. My dad kept pressuring me to do more with my life, until one day I asked him, isn't it enough if I'm happy living my life? He never said anything again after that. I know not all parents would respect that. I'm lucky that my dad did. I hope you continue your journey and stay true to yourself.
JULE PLAYED WOW! I need rank 1 reciepts and gladiator mount pics
Great discussion. Especially the second half 👌🏽
thanks, Matthew 😊
Wow. This couldn’t have resonated more. Could I chose D. All of The Above - when it comes to the types of perfectionists? I have bounced around so many careers and am still trying to find my place. This really resonated. Thank you for this interview! 😊
Hi Chris, Thank you so much! I am learning a lot from you. I love watching you and learning from you in UA-cam. I just have a change of career, from an employee (customer service representative) to building my own (freelance) agency which will cater the same service. I am just struggling how to make this, so I am looking for vlogs because maybe I can get an information. Can you help? I would love to meet you in person here in the Philippines. I thank God for your life.❤😊
I really finished this podcast!!! I love so much how Chris Do compliments people. Such a genuine friend!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
wow I find myself in so many of these things :/ love the pod
Uh oh maybe I do need a therapist.
Love it
Impeccable dad joke delivery
High praise for Chris :D
Hello. Soloist here.
Hello back from a part-time Soloist!
Thanks for sharing