Awesome, Sir! I recently subscribed on your channel. Also I'm a CRT Monitor user, I use Samsung Syncmaster 753DFX and bought it on junkshop a month after GCQ was enforced in my place. I heavily agree on what you said. Yeah, convergence sometimes becomes problematic especially when components age (probably due to the purity rings losing magnetism), or if the purity rings were hit accidentally by hand. But overall, recapping helps especially on CRT board. I love to service CRT monitors and save them from e-waste bins since in gaming they look good to the eyes, and the scan lines were so nostalgic!
Thanks man! I didnt know that it will still show up as 60hz in the resolution settings. Now I can play at 2k (2048x1536) 120hz on a 980ti without a converter! You are awesome man, thanks.
If my old RDF223H was still functioning properly, I would've been able to demonstrate that myself. Sadly, repairing it successfully has been getting pretty doubtful from my recent findings with it.
Don't have a card that new to find out myself, but I suspect they've probably dropped support for interlaced modes by now. Have you tried some of the odd workarounds I described in the video to get Windows to set the desktop resolution to an interlaced mode?
I am one of those guys that was pressured to use the highest possible resolution. Now i feel I should have just stuck with a 720 monitor or my old 1280 tft monitor. One of the biggest factor of the whole experience is being able to run above 60 FPS on average and on the highest graphical settings. Thanks for this video. You made people realise that high resolutions and flat panels aren’t rainbows and unicorns.
1:35 You seem like such a chill dude, Lameguy64. And what a user name hahaha! But good video, and please do more on the Mitsubishi because their models are usually suprisingly great :) Oh, and what games are shown at 9:50 and 10:00?
Does the "Vertical Refresh Rate 160 Hz" on this ( www.cnet.com/products/samtron-76e-crt-monitor-17-series/ ) Samtron 76E monitor mean that the actual refresh rate could theoretically go that high? EDIT: Does "Horizontal Refresh Rate 70 kHz" however mean that the the maximum is 120 Hz like you said in this ( 3:43 ) part?
If the monitor's specs say it can go up to 160Hz, it should be able to take a refresh rate that high, though often in low resolutions like 640x480, though it may be able to handle 120Hz at 800x600. It could also mean that the monitor can take a higher horizontal scan rate allowing for higher resolutions or higher refresh rates than the usual 70KHz monitors like I showed in the video. There's a formula for computing how much bandwidth is required to support a specified resolution/refresh rate combo, usually along the lines of number of video lines * refresh rate = horizontal frequency required.
@@lameguy64 So one more question: If the monitor can do 1280 x 1024 at 65 Hz in progressive mode (which is its _native resolution_ mode), could it possibly do 1280 x 1024 at 130 Hz in interlaced mode? The "Horizontal Refresh Rate 70 kHz" might be a limiting factor?
That Mitsubishi Diamondtron 2070SB was an awesome monitor (capable of high refresh rates, i think even 100-120hz in 1600*1200), such a shame that it failed
That was an RDF223H shown in the photo, not as high end as the model you've specified as it can only do 120Hz at 1024x768 if I remember correctly. It was a great monitor and I still have it, I've still got plans to work on it again to finally get it working properly with the best of my abilities. Fixing the convergence is probably going to be a massive pain though, depending on what I have to do.
@@lameguy64 For the convergence Nokia test pattern (works on Win XP 32 bit) and Sony test pattern can help you. Also get a pair of gloves and ceramic/plastic screwdrivers (to regulate the flyback screws for luminosity and focus, and to regulate convergence)
Argh, Windows (or Nvidia?) refuses to make interlaced resolutions work. No matter which interlaced res I'm trying to create following the instructions in this video it just tells me that "test failed, resolution not supported". I'm trying to use a Samtron 76E monitor and a DeLock 62967 DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter, and I have a RTX 2080.
Ah yes, nvidia's drivers can be really stubborn like that. Oftentimes selecting the 1280x960 60Hz option would actually select the custom interlaced 120Hz mode because software thinks any interlaced video mode has to have the refresh rate halved.
i use a gtx 1080 ..i found that when using interlaced signals that windows or nvdia adds a slight vertical blending (anti flicker)which in turn gives a less sharp picture... when i compare for example an external scan converter 1080p to 1080i for example you get a sharper picture, albiet much more flicker on text etc,, it would be nice to be able to turn off the anti flicker on interlaced modes to negate a scaler
I haven't had jitter reduction blending when running in 960i 120 mode on my CRT monitors or 1080i 60 on my HD CRT (the latter is connected directly via HDMI as the TV has HDMI). Might be your HDMI to VGA converter doing it but who knows.
It's a cool, if a bit long-winded, video and I like CRTs, but your name is like something a big UA-camr would jokingly name their parody UA-camr characters, something like gamergod88. I wish you would be more concise with your delivery and presenting more info visually. You should also anunciate a bit better. Keep going! Idk how long you have been doing this, but you are well on your way to making really high-quality stuff! I subscribed!
Well, I think I could've condensed the part where I talked about Linux compatibility down to the main portion of the video but I don't think it was important enough to include it there. I don't think there really is much else to say about gaming at 120Hz on a CRT outside of the things I've already covered in the video and I believe I explained them better than what mainstream channels can do considering many of them usually only scrape the surface when talking about older technology. I can see that the live clips of me explaining things can be a little dull but I kinda like it that way as it gives off more of a hobbyist vibe which I prefer over something heavily scripted which I believe can feel artificial. I don't have any plans to make UA-cam my career but I'd still try to find ways to improve the production of my videos though.
@@lameguy64 check the 'technology connections' guy to see something scripted, but still very in depth & clear though you were describing the results, not how a crt works, so it would be a bit different
YOUR ORIGINAL VIDEO WAS ONE OF THE REASONS i BOUGHT A CRT. i'M HAVING TROUBLE OF SETTING A CUSTOM INTERLACED RESOLUTION USING AN AMD CARD (6600XT) . I'M USING A SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER CAPABLE OF 1600X1200 AT 65HZ PROGRESIVE.
according to the file dates here files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/ kdenlive wasnt missing windows versions (17.0.4, 17.0.8, 18.0.4, 18.0.8, 18.12.1) but kdenlive is always buggy, i find shotcut much cleaner, & if you want free without needing open source, there's davinci resolve
I never found that release page, perhaps the page I kept looking at was quite outdated somehow, don't remember which one was it. I rather torture myself with open source solutions, as I plan to go full Linux someday in the future. Besides, it works well enough despite its occasionally annoying shortcomings.
Nice review. We fucked ourselves from a future proof technology, now nobody has 75hz by default, and you want deep black colors you gotta pay out the ass.
@@kyleborboranmain8295 Best bet where you can find CRT monitors is in junkshop. Ranges from Php150-350 depending on the garbage collector (magbobote o mangangalakal) or to the junkshop proprietor. Just do cautious resoldering and recapping and you can have a reconditioned CRT monitor!
Says the ponce who thought my server was going to be 100% PSX development related when it actuality isn't. Shame on you for not letting me have some variety you bellend.
this was an awesome video. thanks for your coverage on crts, im trying to get into using them.
Awesome, Sir! I recently subscribed on your channel. Also I'm a CRT Monitor user, I use Samsung Syncmaster 753DFX and bought it on junkshop a month after GCQ was enforced in my place. I heavily agree on what you said. Yeah, convergence sometimes becomes problematic especially when components age (probably due to the purity rings losing magnetism), or if the purity rings were hit accidentally by hand. But overall, recapping helps especially on CRT board. I love to service CRT monitors and save them from e-waste bins since in gaming they look good to the eyes, and the scan lines were so nostalgic!
UA-cam pushing crt tech back to forefront, atleast to me. Watched Digital Foundry a few days ago and then this pops up in my recommendations.
Same
Thanks man! I didnt know that it will still show up as 60hz in the resolution settings. Now I can play at 2k (2048x1536) 120hz on a 980ti without a converter! You are awesome man, thanks.
If my old RDF223H was still functioning properly, I would've been able to demonstrate that myself. Sadly, repairing it successfully has been getting pretty doubtful from my recent findings with it.
@@lameguy64 bummer man. Wanna collab sometime on a part 3 of the crt trilogy?
Which monitor do u use?
Best video I have ever seen, modern reviewers should learn.
I can't use interlaced resolutions, do you have any idea why?
Monitor: Samsung 997MB
GPU: GTX1650S
OS: W10 X64
Don't have a card that new to find out myself, but I suspect they've probably dropped support for interlaced modes by now. Have you tried some of the odd workarounds I described in the video to get Windows to set the desktop resolution to an interlaced mode?
Great video! Thanks for putting this info out there!
I am one of those guys that was pressured to use the highest possible resolution. Now i feel I should have just stuck with a 720 monitor or my old 1280 tft monitor. One of the biggest factor of the whole experience is being able to run above 60 FPS on average and on the highest graphical settings. Thanks for this video. You made people realise that high resolutions and flat panels aren’t rainbows and unicorns.
Damn straight you tell em! Liked and subbed!
It bugs me how people still keep watching my old and crappy video regarding this matter over this video, but thanks anyway.
top level comedy and very informative.
That's informative video bro! 👍👍
1:35 You seem like such a chill dude, Lameguy64. And what a user name hahaha! But good video, and please do more on the Mitsubishi because their models are usually suprisingly great :)
Oh, and what games are shown at 9:50 and 10:00?
Hollow night then enter the gungeon I believe
Does the "Vertical Refresh Rate 160 Hz" on this ( www.cnet.com/products/samtron-76e-crt-monitor-17-series/ ) Samtron 76E monitor mean that the actual refresh rate could theoretically go that high?
EDIT: Does "Horizontal Refresh Rate 70 kHz" however mean that the the maximum is 120 Hz like you said in this ( 3:43 ) part?
If the monitor's specs say it can go up to 160Hz, it should be able to take a refresh rate that high, though often in low resolutions like 640x480, though it may be able to handle 120Hz at 800x600. It could also mean that the monitor can take a higher horizontal scan rate allowing for higher resolutions or higher refresh rates than the usual 70KHz monitors like I showed in the video. There's a formula for computing how much bandwidth is required to support a specified resolution/refresh rate combo, usually along the lines of number of video lines * refresh rate = horizontal frequency required.
@@lameguy64 Thanks for the reply! I guess I'll have to investigate and also simply test it out once I get my hands on the monitor next week. ;)
@@lameguy64 So one more question: If the monitor can do 1280 x 1024 at 65 Hz in progressive mode (which is its _native resolution_ mode), could it possibly do 1280 x 1024 at 130 Hz in interlaced mode?
The "Horizontal Refresh Rate 70 kHz" might be a limiting factor?
Great explanation bro
That Mitsubishi Diamondtron 2070SB was an awesome monitor (capable of high refresh rates, i think even 100-120hz in 1600*1200), such a shame that it failed
That was an RDF223H shown in the photo, not as high end as the model you've specified as it can only do 120Hz at 1024x768 if I remember correctly. It was a great monitor and I still have it, I've still got plans to work on it again to finally get it working properly with the best of my abilities. Fixing the convergence is probably going to be a massive pain though, depending on what I have to do.
@@lameguy64 For the convergence Nokia test pattern (works on Win XP 32 bit) and Sony test pattern can help you.
Also get a pair of gloves and ceramic/plastic screwdrivers (to regulate the flyback screws for luminosity and focus, and to regulate convergence)
How do you force interlace resolutions on steam games?
Argh, Windows (or Nvidia?) refuses to make interlaced resolutions work. No matter which interlaced res I'm trying to create following the instructions in this video it just tells me that "test failed, resolution not supported". I'm trying to use a Samtron 76E monitor and a DeLock 62967 DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter, and I have a RTX 2080.
Ah yes, nvidia's drivers can be really stubborn like that. Oftentimes selecting the 1280x960 60Hz option would actually select the custom interlaced 120Hz mode because software thinks any interlaced video mode has to have the refresh rate halved.
Back on track all over again.
Great vid man!
Great video man
Which hdmi to vga converters support interlacing above 60hz? What is the name of yours?
It's just a generic HDMI to VGA adapter. No branding whatsoever.
@hunter0one Should've mentioned that some monitors (usually cheaper ones) can't take the very high refresh rate properly.
i use a gtx 1080 ..i found that when using interlaced signals that windows or nvdia adds a slight vertical blending (anti flicker)which in turn gives a less sharp picture... when i compare for example an external scan converter 1080p to 1080i for example you get a sharper picture, albiet much more flicker on text etc,, it would be nice to be able to turn off the anti flicker on interlaced modes to negate a scaler
I haven't had jitter reduction blending when running in 960i 120 mode on my CRT monitors or 1080i 60 on my HD CRT (the latter is connected directly via HDMI as the TV has HDMI). Might be your HDMI to VGA converter doing it but who knows.
What's the model of the AOC CRT you showcase in this video ?
Wooow beautiful 😍
what are the games you've played into this video? they seem interesting, thanks.
also great video!
Doom 2016, A Hat in Time, Quake Champions, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, Enter the Gungeon, Freedom Planet, Ori and the Blind Forest and finally, GalGun 2.
@@lameguy64 Thank you very much!!, im trying to restore my love of videogames :P
sorry for late reply.
i really like your content keep it up!
It's a cool, if a bit long-winded, video and I like CRTs, but your name is like something a big UA-camr would jokingly name their parody UA-camr characters, something like gamergod88.
I wish you would be more concise with your delivery and presenting more info visually. You should also anunciate a bit better.
Keep going! Idk how long you have been doing this, but you are well on your way to making really high-quality stuff! I subscribed!
Well, I think I could've condensed the part where I talked about Linux compatibility down to the main portion of the video but I don't think it was important enough to include it there. I don't think there really is much else to say about gaming at 120Hz on a CRT outside of the things I've already covered in the video and I believe I explained them better than what mainstream channels can do considering many of them usually only scrape the surface when talking about older technology.
I can see that the live clips of me explaining things can be a little dull but I kinda like it that way as it gives off more of a hobbyist vibe which I prefer over something heavily scripted which I believe can feel artificial. I don't have any plans to make UA-cam my career but I'd still try to find ways to improve the production of my videos though.
@@lameguy64 check the 'technology connections' guy to see something scripted, but still very in depth & clear
though you were describing the results, not how a crt works, so it would be a bit different
cool video.
great information thanks it has helped
Nice vid, man!
YOUR ORIGINAL VIDEO WAS ONE OF THE REASONS i BOUGHT A CRT. i'M HAVING TROUBLE OF SETTING A CUSTOM INTERLACED RESOLUTION USING AN AMD CARD (6600XT) . I'M USING A SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER CAPABLE OF 1600X1200 AT 65HZ PROGRESIVE.
Heck yes
I got a Sony GS420 it’s freakin beautiful
I got a Dell 873s working wih 1920x1440p at 85Hz. My new main monitor.
Gained a sub 👍
liked and subbed
крутой чувак! ееее молодец!
ayaw maniwala ng Tropa ko na pwede mag 100hz refresh rate mga CRT. Thankyou very much xD
Nice vid dude. Hope you watch @electroboom and don’t get zzapped.
Nerd on!
Hey I'm doing it in 2024
according to the file dates here files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/ kdenlive wasnt missing windows versions (17.0.4, 17.0.8, 18.0.4, 18.0.8, 18.12.1)
but kdenlive is always buggy, i find shotcut much cleaner, & if you want free without needing open source, there's davinci resolve
I never found that release page, perhaps the page I kept looking at was quite outdated somehow, don't remember which one was it.
I rather torture myself with open source solutions, as I plan to go full Linux someday in the future. Besides, it works well enough despite its occasionally annoying shortcomings.
Nice review. We fucked ourselves from a future proof technology, now nobody has 75hz by default, and you want deep black colors you gotta pay out the ass.
Where are u from?
Ain't my appearance not obvious enough?
@@lameguy64 I know ur asian reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@@lameguy64 I just want to know if ur a Filipino cuz I want to use a crt monitor but I can't find here in Philippines
@@kyleborboranmain8295 Best bet where you can find CRT monitors is in junkshop. Ranges from Php150-350 depending on the garbage collector (magbobote o mangangalakal) or to the junkshop proprietor. Just do cautious resoldering and recapping and you can have a reconditioned CRT monitor!
Lameguy64 I have subscribers the Druaga1 and Druaga1's brother AkBKukU
I now realised that this is basically just running at 1280*480 at 120 Hz, which is not that impressive.
With interlacing it's achievable even at 1280x1024 at 120hz and 110hz at 1600x1200
Lol dude chill you so angry mayne
18:30 LMAO
Man you make really good videos.. when you should be PSXDEV HACKING!!!! Shame on you! :P
Says the ponce who thought my server was going to be 100% PSX development related when it actuality isn't. Shame on you for not letting me have some variety you bellend.
@@lameguy64 make a unity3d channel :P