MAKING STEEL RINGS ON THE LATHE Tips
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Here is how to wind steel rings on the lathe.
BE CAREFUL---this is dangerous!!
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Thanks Mr Pete. Your lessons are priceless. And the videos will be on the internet for all future generations to gather knowledge and wisdom.
This video is just in time, my girlfriend has been dropping hints about a ring for a while now.
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Haha great comment, I bet she would love one of these!
Make sure not to close it up too tightly. She won't even have to pierce her septum.
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If you google for spring mandrel calculator you can find a web page that lets you figure out what size mandrel you need in order to produce the desired diameter for any wire size.
I am pretty sure that Machinery's Handbook has the charts also. Seen it somewhere. Must of been there.
You do need to know the alloy and temper, though. I don't know how much melt to melt variation there is in the material that you get; It's possible you would need to get test results for the specific melt.
Lyle's Rings 'n' Springs, LLC.
Has a nice 'ring' to it!
In the last step, the bending, it is much better to close the rings first in the vice and after that rotate the open ends to match each other with the pliers. In that way you can compensate for the springback, by pushing a little more than closed.
Had to make thousands in 3/16" steel Sub Arc welding wire back in the day.
Starting with a hole in your mandrel creates its own problem.
How to get your coil off !
Doing it by hand (on production) we were able to start the bend.
Then extract the wire out of the hole a bit and continue to wind the coil.
This gave us a loop to nip off when we needed to remove the coil.
We developed all sorts of slots welded to the mandrel to eliminate the problem.
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Not letting the loose end flick out but relaxing gently the winding pressure stops the spring back making the rings different sizes.
We actually made some out of 1/2" round and square black mild steel by hand ( cold ) down to about 2 1/2" OD.
Much easier if they were bigger OD.
Starting with a hole in your mandrel creates its own problem.
How to get your coil off !
The fix is to split the mandrel, install the wire in the slot, then put the split end in the chuck with one jaw over the slot, then wind away. When finished loosen the chuck, pull out the mandrel and take the spring off.
Might have worked better to "close" the ring first then straighten it with the wrench, that way you can work with the spring back not against it. My son, when he was 12-ish made a bunch of rings out of light wire for a chainmail project. In his bedroom, on the carpet. I am still finding bits of metal 20 years later.
Nice. I used my lathe and a pvc pipe to wrap copper tubing and make a coil yesterday. Pro tip: when bending copper tubing, fill it with sand first and it won’t flatten around tight bends.
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The Revenuer is making notes. Just kidding sounds like a good tip.
"... stay away from television and other nonsense in life!" :-)
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I did this back at the high-school but never let the kids do this...in the south we called that the hay guys watch this moments. This is similar to what new armorists learn first, to make the rings for chainmail.
Not sure what you’re getting at but experienced hands can often perform a “calculated risk” task much safer than inexperienced hands. Driving an automobile is a good example.
@@scottvincent7666 It is called risk assessment based on the knowledge of a machinist career that now spans 30 years with never a single injury because stupid ideas were never introduced to me. When I learned to drive I was 14 and was handed a truck so I could get to school and work and since then have never caused a single wreck, not even a fender bender. It is not always a matter of experience because if the person is taught properly from the start they know how to avoid the issues that could hurt or kill.
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This is a way fancier setup than the battery-powered drill and 1x4 jig I used to make maille rings...
Just did this back in june. Made a pile of rings from 25 mm to 75 mm to make ball for wifes bday. Did on lathe 26 rpm, 6 meter lengths of 1/4" mild steel fed by leather gloves onto mandril with hole drilled. Sure was a lot of fun but pretty dangerous. When you are approaching 70 danger is fun.ball was 400 mm. Had 180 rings in it
This video just went around in circles LOL no - your subject matter had a nice ring to it 2 X LOL - there was a certain spring in your step 3 X LOL - sorry Mr Pete just entertaining myself - sincere apologies - I'm gonna try this.
...THAT was a bit of a STRETCH-!!!
@@daleburrell6273 That had "zero" comedic merit - also never "ring" me again.
@@rupert5390 HAHAHAHA-!!!
That reminds me that I need a new spring on my floor jack, now I know how to make it.
You may trade those 100 pounds stainless for three hit and miss engines.. and maybe even have enough for a third shaper... that would be awesome
Made lots of cooling coils for laboratory experiments using this technique. One trick to use when score marks on the material aren't allowed is to make two pinch blocks using nylon. The blocks are mounted in the tool holder and may be adjusted to put drag on the tubing. If the coil diameter and spacing have to be held closely, cutting a guide groove in the mandrel for the tubing can be helpful. There are formulas for figuring the mandrel diameter, but I found that trial and error was quicker and gave better results. If you are trying to hold +/-0.005" on the coil diameter the formula isn't going to get you close enough... it is a start, but you still end up having to sneak up on the correct diameter for the mandrel.
Instead of a hole in the mandrel to anchor the tube a cross drilled threaded hole was used and then then the end of the tube could be clamped to the mandrel. As others have noted this makes controlling the tube easier and you can still get it off the mandrel without having to cut it.
I think the largest coil I ever had to make was three 20ft. lengths of annealed stainless steel tubing, 3/4" diameter, that was butt welded into a 60ft. tube. Coil was 10" in diameter +/- 1/16". After making short test sections to get the mandrel diameter correct the tubing was laid out across the the shop and the coil was made in one shot on the lathe.
Cheers from NC/USA
Oh, The Rings on the Bus go round and round - Thanks Lyle - Stay Safe, Stay Strong, God Bless
Thanks Mr Pete that was interesting.
Square stock hmm... If I knew where to get square music wire I'd soup up my fifty year old Daisy BB gun.
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That was Fun Mr. Pete, Thanks! Remember dad showing me this when I was a kid doing U-control model airplanes...much smaller wire
You’re a great teacher Mr Pete, I could have only dream of learning this valuableł
information that most youngsters these days would have passed you by.not taking much time to stop and watch your work, I think that you do an awesome job and I am grateful for what you have made, I wish
You all the very best wishes for 2020 and beyond......Phil in the UK 🇬🇧
Thank you very much for the kind words
mrpete222 mr Pete, you’re more than welcome, I really enjoy watching your videos ......Phil
Haha I had to laugh about your comment about enjoy your tools, machines, shop, and avoid tv and all that nonsense! AMEN Brother! I canceled tv and enjoy my shop too.
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And another door opens....
Making a gigantic wooden clothespin his been on my To-Do list for some time. The wooden part was easy. Now I have a starting point for the spring... Thanks!
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...GET A GRIP!!!
World book of Guinness records largest clothespin !!!! it would have to be thin wire so it could be a working clothespin ;)
with the same lathe, could one make those springs that hold garden shears and wire cutters open?
This is a true story and no word of a lie. My sister was in aTech Studies class at high school and was turning something on the lathe. She must of leant over the spinning chuck, it grabbed her shirt, ripped it open and tore her bras off much to the delight of her class mates. If it wasn't my sister I'd have said God I wish I'd seen that.
Wow, that’s quite a story
I made a torsional spring for my trailer locking mechanism by machining an arbour and using a screw to hold the wire, but the screw wasn't strong enough, so I drilled a cross hole. I fed the wire through the cross hole via a wooden guide in the tool post, turning the lathe by hand, moving the tool post by eye, no power, then cutting the spring off where it went into the cross hole. It worked magnificently and completely restored one of the fail safes on my trailer hitch. I had an enormous sense of achievement and delight with the job, smiling from ear to ear. Thank you for sharing this super useful information.
Sounds like a good solution. I will be making a torsion spring in a future video. In fact I already did it a month A go. I have not published it yet
Wow old timer I’m up also
When we were young we did not want to sleep, now were older and we can't.
uninterrupted sleep is a commodity worth more than platinum.
Steel rings. Love it. Women's purses hold the weight of the world, but they lack the strength. For my wife's purses I used to remove the "rings" between the body and strap and insert metal tubes into the leather parts of the strap and body and then install new rings such as made here to reattach. Think of Hermione at the end of Harry Potter series and all of the stuff that came out of he purse (like multi room tents .) Those little rings such as made here could attach a purse strap to a bag and hold the weight of the world.
Yes, many of my wife’s purses fell apart
This is an interesting method to do spring and rings, thank you for share Mr. Pete
stay away from television ! this what i chose to do 14 years ago , i was fed up to see the other live .
Well, you've got me bet, it's only been 8 years for me.
"Don't do this, it's dangerous... Let's go" Words to live by.
You probably would have had a lot more interest if you had making hand grenades as a shop project for the kids. That box of rings might not have even been enough.
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Often, my trips to the ER began with, "Here, hold my beer an' watch 'is!" More words to live by.
Mr. Pete, another great video!
Be well & Best regards,
Gottfried
brilliant! ., i've been beating myself up looking for a rear brake lever return spring for an old Triumph, they were all wound in the wrong direction or way too many coils to fit between the brake drum plate and the lever, Just what I wanted. Thanks.
Absolutely incredible
Thanks as always Mr Pete, I'm enjoying a couple of hours catching up on some of your videos, the magnification and lighting one, was very inspirational, even as a mid 50 year old, my eye's need plenty of help
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Best advise....stay away from TV...Love it.
What are you doing up so early posting this?
When we were young we did not want to sleep, now were older and we can't.
Thinking chain mail.
Thank you Mr. Pete!!!
What thin saw would you recommend for cutting a coil of Stainless steel 14 awg 5/16ths jump rings? It has to be a thin cut if I'm going to close them properly.
I've come across your videos a few times now. Always a good lesson and you're helping a young guy get his machine shop running. Thanks Mr Pete and keep having fun
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Always interesting thank you. Since I got a lathe and mill I haven't watched TV in years and enjoy my tools and workshop
Congratulations on Kicking the TV habit
mrpete222 I only watch movies and UA-cam on the tv spend the most time in my garage messing around but tanks to you my parents are getting a fancy looking barn build so me and my twin brother and our dad can make stuff and there is a big warehouse full of Bridgeport’s and other machines nearby the reason it needs to look fancy is that my mom doesn’t want it looking bad because we line in the suburbs.
@@mrpete222 Err, how is watching UA-cam different than TV?
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@@1345medford TV makes you stupid, UA-cam makes you smart. Of course you have to choose the right channels, but since you are commenting here I guess you've got that sorted out. :)
My Industrial Arts teacher back in the mid sixties would give us heck if we let a wood plane sit on the work table as shown in your opening scene. He said to always lay it on it's side to protect the cutting blade/iron.😲😲
Fun making rings from springs, what an idea!!!
I use broken garage door springs for this on occasion.
Good job teaching some young bucks a few old tricks. 👍🏼
All you need is a Merry Go Round loaded up with rings.. Brass rings were Preferable and if you found one you got a free ride ..these rings are about the same size as the rings from the 50's era
Using a hand hacksaw. Just like Myford Boy!
Interesting how well the 1/4" was formed with very little spring-back.
10:29 he actually use mild steel rather than stainless steel for that one
Stainless is approx. 2 1/2 times the tensile strength of mild steel...🇬🇧👍
I don't need to make one of these now, however what if you used a nut and long threaded bolt? Weld a small stud on the lower side of the bolt and drill a hole though it. Put the bolt in the vise, and run the wire through the stud hole. Then simple use a ratchet or wrench to tighten the bolt? You could then crank it down to align the loops straight up and down?
Might or might not work, however gotta be something like that when they make springs, right?
Anyone else amused by Mr. Pete using an asian tool holder on an aloris tool post ? Big grin here! GO Mr Pete!!
Wow you could use 1inch stock turn most down to 3/4 inch then drill a hole in the 1 inch area to push end in for more controlled anchor !! Love it !!
Just like grandpa taught me thanks for the memory.
You can make a short decorative chain. Tig or Mig weld together and hang a plant or something.
This technique has a ring to it 😁
Very instructional a fella could make his own chain.
But I watch your videos on youtube TV!
Strangely satisfying to watch,, thanks Pete
Very nice results. Thanks for the video.
If I had a lathe I’d pitch my tv.............. no I couldn’t; I watch these videos from my phone cast to my tv 😃👍. Thanks Mr Pete, good stuff to know .......... just because 🤔😉😷
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Those grinder spring coils look professional.
That’s because you and I are professional, LOL
mrpete it has been some time since I have been able to watch all your videos (Sure did miss ya my friend!!!) Well I am back now and I have to say that there is something EXTREMELY SATISFYING in watching this video!!!! Lol not to mention it is a good way to make small landing gear for model planes and as ALWAYS TWO THUMBS UP Sir! and Thank you for posting!!!! btw I am off to catch up on watching all your WONDERFUL videos that I missed !!!
Welcome back
I sometimes get so deep in thought it takes me several days to get out of it and do something....
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I wish I had thought of this. I had always done this by hand using a bench vbise.
I had made a lot of small springs this way for scale models .
The heat your getting is most likely the pressure of the wire pushing upward in your mandrel.
Music wire and (small) half-hard brass makes neat little springs.
I check out a lot of your videos.
If you want to see some of the models I built, look at the photos on my Facebook.
I made many different metal mechanical custom projects.
VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE OR KNOW HOW THINGS ARE MADE "OLD SCHOOL"
I look at something that needs to be made , I DON'T ASK MYSELF IF I CAN DO IT, I ASK MYSELF HOW I CAN DO IT.
Great vids, thanks for showing people.
Lou Cuviello
I remember back in 2003 I was deployed to Operation Iraqi Freedom. I made a hand cranked ring maker for a friend who was a member of SCA, and wanted to make chain mail body armor from recycled coathangers. The rings turned out about 1/2" diameter, which my friend would "knit" together with two pairs of pliers while relaxing and watching movies in the evening. By the end of the deployment he had his chain mail shirt. Took thousands of those little rings, and probably hundreds of metal coathangers too! (We got our uniforms back from the contract laundry service on the coathangers). The ring maker was just a block of wood drilled through with about a 10mm scrap piece of rod bent in a crank shape and a slot cut in one end to put the wire through, and a nail for the wire to wind against. Very simple!
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Thanks for share knowledge Mr. Pete.
Hey Mr Pete. Liked this video a lot. When I need a dingy thingy I tack the end of the wire, up to 1/4”, to a mandrel with the wire vertical and use a knurling roll or smooth roll to follow at 1.2 times wire dia. From the mandrel in forward with reverse thread feed. Comes out great. Usually have a coil laying around the shop somewhere waiting to be cut into individual rings. The drawback to my method is pressure on the cross feed but it doesn’t pick up on the carriage like I notice your method doing. Never tried it with anything but mild steel. Any way I always enjoy hearing from someone a little my senior. Bless you.
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Used to use an old clapped out lathe to make rings for chain maille assembly. Used 1/4 inch mandrel with a follow rest and wire guide with high tensile fence wire. They would spring back to just under 3/8" Worked real good.
Awesome
I'm thinking probably better to close the gap before you align the ends as it will be necessary to close the diameter further than the ends just meeting ....due to springback.
We had a guy in Toledo that would make you any size spring ....he took ( let’s say 3/4 stock) make it any schedule (thickness) by drilling it and then turn it on the lathe....hit miss spring of any size
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I have wound up 3/8 SS rings in a similar fashion on a 19" lathe , I would weld the bar to a piece of 1" pipe or what ever size ring you want then putting a block of wood on the ways , I would pinch the bar against the block and wind it up...made quite a few guys take a step back when watching me set it up and get ready to wind up a few rings out of an 8 ft bar...lol
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you shouldn't store a plane face down, turn it on it's side
Mr Pete. I made some springs on my Atlas lathe by keeping the power off and using a crescent wrench to turn the jaws by hand. Slow but works. Thank you for your fine videos
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So how would you do a double "beehive" spring where both ends taper down in diameter from the cylindrical centre portion. You frequently see this typ of spring with small independent hooks mounted to each end. For reference: www.dimecitycycles.com/center-stand-spring-kz1000-kz1100-kz700-kz750-kz900.html
Never made one. I suspect a collapsing mandrel
How ironic ,I've taken the wire uniform hangers from our shop and made "springs" for things , mostly to play waiting for my machine to be done lol
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that's so creative, I want to have life friends like you, it's always hard to find people who love their work and wants to be more and more creative, as you said most of people waste their time watching tv and doing nothing useful. Thumbs up
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Very Cool!
Good to know how to make these, because the nearest Ace Hardware is now 30 minutes away and there’s not a True Value in the area. Enjoyed your company as always!
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How cool is that?!? Scary as hell but cool.
Always enjoying your class.
mrpete222 I was given an antique screw jack and the end of the small gear which makes the jack go up and down had a ring on the end where you put the handle to turn the gear. It looked as if it was meant to keep a metal bushing in which takes up the slop of the shaft. Have you ever seen that before?
Have not
My TV died and i don't thing i'm going to bother with buying a new one! The news today will drive you insane!
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“If you’ve never done this before, don’t. It’s dangerous”
Respect sir. 👍
Super Cool Mr. Pete as a child my Father had his shop in our basement and he gave me a section to set up my Slot Cars and Electric trains i often would “ tidy “ up his tools and Workbench including putting all the hardware in the correct storage containers for him for some reason i was always intrigued with Springs and their resistance to not losing their original shape of course i knew very little about Metalurgy as a kid more specifically changing the molecular structure through heat and cooling
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Your shop teacher never taught you to put a wood working plane blade down on a steel surface or any surface for that matter. Turn that thing on its side.
Makes since, I had to go look, it looks like he has the blade retracted.
to cut the rings you can make an easy guide out of wood and saw the whole roll apart on the band saw. Drill a hole near an edge of a board big enough for the roll to fall into and then run the wood and steel into the band saw until you have a cut through all the rings. The guide keeps your fingers away from danger and makes a clean cut.
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i made about a million rings for my grandson's chain male shirt. He wore it to school once, but it was a mite heavy !
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Black Smiths had a big cone shaped mandrel they would use to make the rings round when the were still red hot
I have seen those
With the resurgence by some in blacksmithing those cone shaped mandrels have become much more valuable than old anvils. A friend of mine had one he was going to haul in for scrap and a guy who bought an anvil from him started describing the mandrel and my friend realized he had one of those as well. The guy ended up buying it from him for close to $1000.00! Not bad for scrap iron!
@@37yearsofanythingisenough39 It would take some time but with a big lathe a machinist could make one
not2fast4u2c yes one could be machined. The one my friend had was cast iron and used as cast except for the parting line where it had been ground. It would take a pretty big chunk of bar stock and a hoist to machine one from steel besides the big lathe you mention. My big lathe swings 17” and it would not come even close to turning one the size I saw.
These type rings are used as locks or stops in machines, especially shafts and gearboxes. They sit tightly in a groove.
Old Tubal Cain was a man of might , in the days when the earth was young,,,,,,
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Dude, You've still got it.
Informative video thanks for sharing. At work we use the same technique for making copper induction coils. Nice hacksaw.....I work for Lenox tools👍
That is one of the high tension hacksaw’s, I love it. Their blades are great also
@@mrpete222 good feedback👍
Seemed like that last slap messed up the shape a little.
Like your videos a lot! Is there an issue with your lead screw or half nut? The carriage seems to not move smoothly when it just gets going
Looks like a good start on a nice suit or chain mail.
Jimmy Stewart the metal worker.
I bet those music wire torsion springs were exciting to make. I've made music wire springs with a homemade winder with up to 0.040" or 0.050" wire, but those looked MUCH larger. I hope to see your technique in a future video.
Lyle, there is a table in "Machinery's Handbook" that tells what mandrel diameter to use for specific ring IDs. I _think_ it also gives a formula for "odd" sizes (my book is in my shop right now, otherwise I'd verify this before commenting). It, of course, applies to the _types_ of wire (i.e., the metal) that you are making the rings from, like music wire. I think the table is actually for making springs.
I've never used a lathe to do this, but made ~30K rings for a maille shirt back in the late '80s. I used only the best material -- coat hangers! ;) I used a small bolt cutter to clip the rings from the coils.
Yes, the table is for Springs. 30,000 rings, wow
@@mrpete222 It took that many rings to "weave" a shirt. Back when I watched football, kinda, I spread an old towel on the coffee table and wove the shirt over _many_ hours. But I learned how to make rings quickly! ;)
I was thinking while watching this,
One could do the same process, but have the lateral speed faster to create a spring. 👍
Loved the video.... :)
Great Demo on the wire coiling. Next 1/2" Stainless.
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Now take some .045 stainless welding wire, wrap about 30,000 rings on a 3/16th mandrel. Then saw cut all the coils with a .008 jewelers slitting saw and get to work with some pliers. In a few weeks or less you can have yourself a chainmail shirt. Yea used to do that. :) Still have the necklace I made with .020 titanium wire with a 1/16ths inside diameter on the rings.
Wow, that is a tedious job
That is one small saw.
“Don’t do this, it’s dangerous. Alright, let’s go!” Lol
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It is fun to mess about in the shop, I I concur. Tv is fine, but much modern. Programming is just dull.