I completely agree with it being an exploit, not cheating. He is still having to keep rythym he is just using a closed button press and an open button press doubling is presses per second. I definitely don’t see it as any different than using a tablet. It is an unfair advantage based on technology. The keyboard wasn’t modulating his presses he was just doubling his presses so that they hit on press and release. You can legitimately do this with any arcade button with a micro switch and get almost the same exact result. Nobody has been able to demonstrate how the keyboard pushed buttons for him just that allowed a release of the key to count as an input which is something anyone can do in any game. In shooting there is something called a binary trigger which essentially increases the persons firing rate through firing around on both actions of the trigger on press and release. If you brought one of those to a shooting competition nobody would say you are cheating because the skills required for using that tricked out trigger create their own down sides. The fandom seems to think using a tablet isn’t cheating even though that is the same sort of technology reliant buff. As I said I am still waiting for the explanation that convince the woot keyboard company that it was cheating, because press on release is a technology that has existed in the arcades. So it isn’t some new technology that requires complex software.
@@dorjedriftwood2731 It's not simply an actuation on release, it's only actuation when releasing. The key deactivates when fully released, so a single keypress that should have been 2 events (actuation and deactivation) became 3 events (deactivation, actuation, and deactivation). If you want to reverse key logic, then the key should actuate even when he's not holding it down at all, which is unplayable without the DKS macro since the game only allows one input to be pressed down at any given moment. Tablets are not a technology buff and has been allowed since the games release because the game itself is a port of another game on the DS which uses the stylus/pen.
May allah guide him. English (Saheeh): Surah Al-Maidah (89) Allāh will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless[279] in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation[280] is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths.[281] Thus does Allāh make clear to you His verses [i.e., revealed law] that you may be grateful. [279]- i.e., what is sworn to only out of habit of speech or what one utters carelessly without true intent. [280]- i.e., that for a deliberate oath. [281]- i.e., do not take oaths indiscriminately or swear to do that which is sinful, requiring expiation.
Ok so basically he double taps and the z key only registers the return to neutral, making it look like he's alternating when he's not? I think that's really unfair.
yeah, basically the z key works in reverse, instead of activating when it's going down, it's activating when it's going up, so pressing them both at the same time will make them alternate
@@akinji for the same purpose mixbox controllers have multi-input dedicated keys in fighting games, to give an advantage, which is why most are banned in tournaments
If anyone wants a more clear explanation, he doubletapped but made the keystrokes like a binary trigger where z inputs while pressing down and x inputs while releasing. He essentially singletapped streams but made key releases an input.
@@tofaa3668"Binary trigger" is firearm terminology, the trigger's mechanism is the same as what he used here. The commentary was not decisive so the point was explaining it and making it a little more digestible with a comparison. I guess europoors that can't own safety scissors wouldn't know though lmao
@@faner255 of course he knew he was cheating, otherwise he would've told everyone he was using DKS from the beginning without trying to hide it and not take 10 years to make a liveplay
@@faner255 wdym "believed you weren't?" if he makes an oath that he's not cheating and it turns out that he is cheating, it counts as breaking the oath.
I wonder how many other speed players are abusing this. I just recently found a profile of some dude who was genuinely mid 5 digit, still had 100pp plays in his top 100 and set some low acc 400-500pp scores on 7-8* pure speed maps, praising the wooting in his profile. I'd bet my ass that dude was also using DKS. Kinda sucks since on one hand yeah, you could probably just auto-restrict whoever has DKS in the driver activated, but that'd lead to hella false-positives of people who just didn't know and were playing around w/ their settings without any ill intention. As much as I love Wooting as a company, they singlehandedly ruined the osu! rankings by making speed a trivial skillset. Sure, you might not gain that much from it if you're already insane (like aetrna for example) at speed, but a lot of people forget about all the 5 digits who suddenly rise to 4 digit+ with their shitty low acc speed plays on maps like ai no sukima.
this is a macro. no other way and I assume that the strange pressing technique on his “proof” video is just a cover, it is impossible to play with 50-60 ur with this style of pressing. he simply decided to confess to a more harmless form of cheating in order to save face. my opinion btw bye bye clowNtiful
Nah this has to be worse than the Forum situation, accusing somebody of cheating without evidence sucks but it's not as bad as actually cheating. If this really is the only way in which he was cheating then his aim is still up there with the best, his decision to cheat was a huge blunder when he could have just been an aim player.
nah this is on par if not worse regarding reputation than the forum extermination group, or at least worse than zylice, since he rly wasnt as obsessed as badeu but cloutiful literally broke the rules acting like he didnt bro
Does this "cheating method" explain 63/42ms holdtime or that apparently all this stuff began even before he had wooting? Perhaps he is lying to cover up simple relax hacks?
yes,because he only had the setting for ONE of his keys. this is why only one of the keys has fucked up key press time,since the other one is working normally. apparently he had wooting keyboards in 2019,and those also had the same macro functionalities.
It explains it. DT works by actually making the game go 1.5x faster, so if you press 42ms on no mod it will show up as 63 on DT. Same exact thing happens on UR. And why the number is so consistent? It's cause its the input wootility does on a key release (note how it's a release, you cant really affect hold time if you aint holding it, so it will be consistent)
"innocent until proven guilty" is not what happened here. its suggesting that he couldve just said no to making a liveplay, and keep playing on bancho. however im 99% sure osu staff would not let that happen.
He could still be a really good aim player without this wooting feature, no? I mean bro can read ar11 and is a top relax player on a private server. He only cheated speed.
@@razerx76 to me he is one xd, idk if youve seen the livelay but he just nonchalently double tapps as if no one would notice anything like this was kinda funny xD
Cheating is when you download software with the intent to use it for cheating, wooting isn't cheating software, it's a keyboard software. Wooting didn't intentionally put DKS in there software for it to be used as cheating for osu! therefore it's an exploit which I still consider restriction worthy.
To answer one of you questions regarding wallah it mean I swear to god and it’s taken pretty seriously in the Muslim community it carries more weight compared to istg or on god so even if the meaning is the same it carries more weight it’s possible that cloutifal thought using a in build mechanic within the wooting keyboard doesn’t mean you are cheating.
This was not happening before he got wooting. It's that he has had 2 different wootings and it happened on both. People were saying it was happening before he got wooting because of a discord message from like 11 months ago or something where he said his wooting arrived but he already had a different wooting before that.
Pretty scummy and very unfair and tbh cringe because he's an active top player trying to be cool with an exploit but i don't think he should be witch hunted he should've come to light with this trick and he should be used as an example that it's better to come to light with unfair advantages because with exceptional performance will come people that will spend days analyzing your gameplay.
he definitely deserved to get witch hunted, this is a game where tournaments have prize pools and there are prizes for getting scores on certain maps (bounties), being nice to cheaters will ruin the game
but this does not explain the 42 does it? If he were to play a map with dt (from which we get the 63), and the same map but 1.5x sped up would he get 42 hold time? it would seem theres more than just wooting tricks up behind
@@zeryle yea, and? if its dt that is the cause then it might be the cheat that adjusts timings for dt. you don't stream at 42 ms on lower bpm and suddenly 63 for all higher (dt) streams
Not trying to defend, but is this really against the rules? From what I understand cloutiful is flipping one of the keys so that instead of clicking on a downstroke, its a click on an upstroke, allowing him to essentially alternate by double tapping. Can someone elaborate on this and its cheating aspect?
@@overlycaffeinated4857 not really, the graphs posted on reddit look more spikey than they really are because of the way they're displayed, the generally follow a normal distribution per key which is expected
You're making more inputs than movements which is cheating. If you want to stream 300 BPM you can't doubletap at 150 BPM and get away with it. You need to have the fingers fast enough to do it legitimately. It is not an abuse it's a feature but in osu! it's a strong unfair advantage since it reduces the difficulty of the game by many times.
It's possible he's lying about how he cheated to try save face by admitting to a much lighter cheating method. I don't know how this would explain it so that's my assumption. Edit: Apparently the 63/42 is explained by how osu calculates the time ingame. If the IRL hold time is 42 ms, but he plays double time, the 1.5x multiplier is also added to the hold time. Or something similar. So he probably did cheat using Wooting's settings.
@@ivyish [yt lost my 1st comment which said that its more an exploit than a cheat imo] ye I fully agree, I just wanna point that its kinda exploit since DKS is provided by an official driver, so generally makes no sense, but no direct cheating there as well imo
I don't think it's cheating because there wasn't any rules regarding this use of hardware and it's not as easy as it looks even though it gives you advantage with ur
to clear things up, the rule is: one full keypress must correspond to one in-game input. one full keypress is the press AND release of a key. doubletapping is essentially treating 2 keys as one, which makes cloutiful's method bannable since it gives two inputs for one full doubletapped keypress, on press and on release. a regular doubletap would have both inputs on the key press and not one on the release. this essentially makes streams playable as doubletapped jumps, which is obviously fraudulent.
obviously, you still need to aim and have some level of proper tapping, but for speed / stream maps, it becomes MUCH easier to master them and acc them if all you have to do is press and release to the beat.
i mean ya he used wooting thing but its not like he is relax player and i know this can feel like cheats but do we relize how far can be osu pp records be pushed if this was allowed? dont take this as covering that he did not did a bad thing this is just my opinion
@@chewy1301 plasma is best friends with cloutiful. also, the only explanation before he posted his liveplay WAS dks. It was literally known confirmation, plasma was just like "yeah he admitted"
its like setting a macro to make your mouse click twice with one click and tapping at 150 bpm to stream 300 bpm, dynamic keystrokes literally does inputs for you that you arent actually doing
wait it shouldn't be bannable, he just found a clever way to cheese the game. Basically he just binded x input to different action and ppl do it all the time without getting ban, like Robloxxa binded the input keys to soda cans, potatoes, ... the other guys bind it to the dance pad, piano keys, etc etc. Unless there're official rules to not allow players bind key inputs to upstroke keys or something
@@iooiralala4278 i dont think that's what i does. the tweet states "only activates on an upstroke", so i believe it's more like you press down z and it pressed z, you release x and it pressed x. so instead of having two inputs at the same time while doubletapping it sends one of the two inputs for the release. if i'm correct on how this works, this actually isn't that bad. i've seen a guy tape a keypad to the underside of his desk before, while also having one on top so he could move his hand up and down and always hit one of the keypads with either up or downstroke of his arm. this "software based approach" just seems like a more optimal way to play like this. dont yet know how i feel about his
@@iooiralala4278 but he does not, he only bind key input to upstroke key, not downstroke and upstroke at the same time. So it's like press the keyboard normally but the input comes after a little delay. And for someone mentioned the rules in the comment that you can't have 2 inputs in a single press, which he only has 1 so that's legal? I guess
@@janmagtoast nah that's exactly what it does, in fact the double binded key iirc is on his non dominant finger so that he doesn't fuck up jumps, also, have u seen the live play? He is double tapping od 11 300 bpm spaced stream with pitch perfect acc, and he can do this only cus tecnically he is double tappig with one key and between the two outputs of the SAME key there is a slight delay thanks to the fact that one output is generated by the key being pressed and the other one by the same key being released, giving him an infinitely better unstable rate in comparison to a real doubletap cus when u duble tap the outputs from your key are basically simultaneous thus making you hit the first note normally and the 2 too early, sorry if my english is fkn broken but it's not my language and im pulling am involountary osu420 thanks to uni
@@estaliah.8276 brother it is literally written in the plasma tweet, Same answer as the guy above, i get it it's sad that cloutiful is a cheater but we need to move on.
Either you didn't understand, know nothing about osu rules, or you're dumb. For every single key press his keyboard registers 2 inputs (second one is on the way up) meaning he clicks half the speed needed, he only singletaps, he never streams. How wouldn't this bannable lol
What a fraud
He cheated his way to top 3 while lifeline actually grinds works on his speed
Lifeline my favourite osu shorts man
I completely agree with it being an exploit, not cheating. He is still having to keep rythym he is just using a closed button press and an open button press doubling is presses per second. I definitely don’t see it as any different than using a tablet. It is an unfair advantage based on technology. The keyboard wasn’t modulating his presses he was just doubling his presses so that they hit on press and release. You can legitimately do this with any arcade button with a micro switch and get almost the same exact result.
Nobody has been able to demonstrate how the keyboard pushed buttons for him just that allowed a release of the key to count as an input which is something anyone can do in any game.
In shooting there is something called a binary trigger which essentially increases the persons firing rate through firing around on both actions of the trigger on press and release. If you brought one of those to a shooting competition nobody would say you are cheating because the skills required for using that tricked out trigger create their own down sides.
The fandom seems to think using a tablet isn’t cheating even though that is the same sort of technology reliant buff.
As I said I am still waiting for the explanation that convince the woot keyboard company that it was cheating, because press on release is a technology that has existed in the arcades. So it isn’t some new technology that requires complex software.
@@dorjedriftwood2731 It's not simply an actuation on release, it's only actuation when releasing. The key deactivates when fully released, so a single keypress that should have been 2 events (actuation and deactivation) became 3 events (deactivation, actuation, and deactivation). If you want to reverse key logic, then the key should actuate even when he's not holding it down at all, which is unplayable without the DKS macro since the game only allows one input to be pressed down at any given moment.
Tablets are not a technology buff and has been allowed since the games release because the game itself is a port of another game on the DS which uses the stylus/pen.
Cloutiful really cheated and got 4% lower acc then aetrna's ath 3 mod 💀
aetrna doesn't even need to play the game to gap cheaters
Aetrna is just him man he was already streaming 330 bpm without wooting
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morgn cheated and ryuk is still higher rank than him, tldr: winners win
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i knew he always been a fraud ever since he shittalk players that said stream maps are underweighted(compared to aim)
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bro lied on Allah 😭🙏
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May allah guide him.
English (Saheeh): Surah Al-Maidah
(89) Allāh will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless[279] in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation[280] is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths.[281] Thus does Allāh make clear to you His verses [i.e., revealed law] that you may be grateful.
[279]- i.e., what is sworn to only out of habit of speech or what one utters carelessly without true intent.
[280]- i.e., that for a deliberate oath.
[281]- i.e., do not take oaths indiscriminately or swear to do that which is sinful, requiring expiation.
@@movementplayerwhoonlyplaysnukealso known as cheating
Yes so is using maple, it's not cheating is just abuse of software @@movementplayerwhoonlyplaysnuke
@@movementplayerwhoonlyplaysnuke using an unfair advantage is cheating
Ok so basically he double taps and the z key only registers the return to neutral, making it look like he's alternating when he's not? I think that's really unfair.
yeah, basically the z key works in reverse, instead of activating when it's going down, it's activating when it's going up, so pressing them both at the same time will make them alternate
@@fieryr why would someone even make that a thing? That defies the whole purpose of rapid trigger
@@akinji for the same purpose mixbox controllers have multi-input dedicated keys in fighting games, to give an advantage, which is why most are banned in tournaments
+1 rank lets go
He just uses a 'vibro technique'... lol
what, no 💀💀
todo? wit da virbraslap??
Sure
quit glazing bro time to pack our bags
the replies are smooth brained lmao how can you not see that this comment is in the sarcastic tone
If anyone wants a more clear explanation, he doubletapped but made the keystrokes like a binary trigger where z inputs while pressing down and x inputs while releasing. He essentially singletapped streams but made key releases an input.
Did you use the word binary to sound more intelligent or?
@@tofaa3668"Binary trigger" is firearm terminology, the trigger's mechanism is the same as what he used here. The commentary was not decisive so the point was explaining it and making it a little more digestible with a comparison. I guess europoors that can't own safety scissors wouldn't know though lmao
so, it's a cheat and he will get ban, or is just a new featured?
@@enzo1fps his account disappeared from leaderboards, idk whether he was banned or deleted it himself though
@@sefeo0 yea i see now, prob banned 🫡🫡
4:30 it is a very sensitive word to use
not sure if sensitive is it the right word but yeah it's a major sin in Islam to break an oath
@@nohobowhat i wonder though, does it still count as breaking the oath if you truly believed you weren't?
@@faner255 of course he knew he was cheating, otherwise he would've told everyone he was using DKS from the beginning without trying to hide it and not take 10 years to make a liveplay
@@faner255 actually you might be asking the question in general, if so then my bad, dismiss my other comment
@@faner255 wdym "believed you weren't?" if he makes an oath that he's not cheating and it turns out that he is cheating, it counts as breaking the oath.
gg should’ve remained aim player
Soo true
I wonder how many other speed players are abusing this. I just recently found a profile of some dude who was genuinely mid 5 digit, still had 100pp plays in his top 100 and set some low acc 400-500pp scores on 7-8* pure speed maps, praising the wooting in his profile. I'd bet my ass that dude was also using DKS.
Kinda sucks since on one hand yeah, you could probably just auto-restrict whoever has DKS in the driver activated, but that'd lead to hella false-positives of people who just didn't know and were playing around w/ their settings without any ill intention.
As much as I love Wooting as a company, they singlehandedly ruined the osu! rankings by making speed a trivial skillset. Sure, you might not gain that much from it if you're already insane (like aetrna for example) at speed, but a lot of people forget about all the 5 digits who suddenly rise to 4 digit+ with their shitty low acc speed plays on maps like ai no sukima.
Nah speed 500 pp is doable with an hyper x
@@tchupii6154 yeah but it still takes skill man
@@fieryr ik but his statement is false i believe.
that and how osu speed meta has just been way too much lately, they really need to find ways how to buff finger control type scores asap
@kenneth7239 under 1000 pp idk
Lifegoat is obviously number 3. Only cheaters can play better than wifeline.
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@@fieryr accolibed abuses UK method.😨
@@itzartic3251Accolibed vape method?
hop off when?
this is a macro. no other way and I assume that the strange pressing technique on his “proof” video is just a cover, it is impossible to play with 50-60 ur with this style of pressing. he simply decided to confess to a more harmless form of cheating in order to save face. my opinion
btw bye bye clowNtiful
Nah this has to be worse than the Forum situation, accusing somebody of cheating without evidence sucks but it's not as bad as actually cheating. If this really is the only way in which he was cheating then his aim is still up there with the best, his decision to cheat was a huge blunder when he could have just been an aim player.
nah this is on par if not worse regarding reputation than the forum extermination group, or at least worse than zylice, since he rly wasnt as obsessed as badeu but cloutiful literally broke the rules acting like he didnt bro
he admitted it, if his cheated score are removed i think that's okay
osu really needs a better ac, I am tired of guessing who is and isn't legit.
Does this "cheating method" explain 63/42ms holdtime or that apparently all this stuff began even before he had wooting? Perhaps he is lying to cover up simple relax hacks?
For me it explains 63 on wooting but he needs to be changing it to 42ms on nm that's wierd ( if i understand it correctly
42*DT = 63ms
@@zeryle yes that what i meant, so it is still sus and doesnt explain anything
yes,because he only had the setting for ONE of his keys. this is why only one of the keys has fucked up key press time,since the other one is working normally.
apparently he had wooting keyboards in 2019,and those also had the same macro functionalities.
It explains it. DT works by actually making the game go 1.5x faster, so if you press 42ms on no mod it will show up as 63 on DT. Same exact thing happens on UR. And why the number is so consistent? It's cause its the input wootility does on a key release (note how it's a release, you cant really affect hold time if you aint holding it, so it will be consistent)
even his akatsuki account is gone
My investments just went down a fuck ton
ggs
this is why i only invest on aricin 🥶
@@saberbestgirl20 what's next? investing in a skeleton dug up from 3000BCE?
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1:50 tomarto mention, the guy that had gifted me 1 year of supporter
active cheaters in the top 3? you really think we would let that pass?
"innocent until proven guilty" is not what happened here. its suggesting that he couldve just said no to making a liveplay, and keep playing on bancho. however im 99% sure osu staff would not let that happen.
Clowntifraud
that was the most cr1tical outro ive ever heard
He could still be a really good aim player without this wooting feature, no? I mean bro can read ar11 and is a top relax player on a private server. He only cheated speed.
Yeah so we just unban him yeepee bruh
yes he is very good at the game without cheats but that doesnt mean he should be forgiven, doing it all the way to top 3 is wild
@@sourisgogo im just saying he isn't a complete fraud. Unban is out of the question.
@@razerx76 to me he is one xd, idk if youve seen the livelay but he just nonchalently double tapps as if no one would notice anything like this was kinda funny xD
Active cheaters in the top 100? XD
bro he wasnt lying he legit saying i cant live play im cheating
His snow goose play is actually stupid 1x100 on the big ass stream is insane
just shows top players are the most insecure of us all
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Awesome thank you!
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I can see how this is exploiting but cheating is a stretch, I still think a restriction is fair though.
Cheating is when you download software with the intent to use it for cheating, wooting isn't cheating software, it's a keyboard software.
Wooting didn't intentionally put DKS in there software for it to be used as cheating for osu! therefore it's an exploit which I still consider restriction worthy.
@kenneth7239 great counter-argument 👍
@kenneth7239 But DKS isn't a macro, actually listen and understand what you're talking about before making definitive statements.
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He wasn't lying when he said "i'm cheating"
2000 pp choke was too good to be true
To answer one of you questions regarding wallah it mean I swear to god and it’s taken pretty seriously in the Muslim community it carries more weight compared to istg or on god so even if the meaning is the same it carries more weight it’s possible that cloutifal thought using a in build mechanic within the wooting keyboard doesn’t mean you are cheating.
Who would’ve thought the toxic player who defended areox (blatant banned cheater) would also have some skeletons in his closet!
areox ? he wasn't a cheater though ? there wasn't a reason for his ban, he said that's due to multi account
I have link of his video back I uploaded it in reddit osu! and btw he deleted his own social media
63 incident
he confirmed that he did type in his password but he changed it
Then how did the same thing happend before his wooting?
Maybe he was mashing before?
This was not happening before he got wooting. It's that he has had 2 different wootings and it happened on both. People were saying it was happening before he got wooting because of a discord message from like 11 months ago or something where he said his wooting arrived but he already had a different wooting before that.
his first time having this is on april,2023 while he bought wooting on feb, 2023
Pretty scummy and very unfair and tbh cringe because he's an active top player trying to be cool with an exploit but i don't think he should be witch hunted he should've come to light with this trick and he should be used as an example that it's better to come to light with unfair advantages because with exceptional performance will come people that will spend days analyzing your gameplay.
he definitely deserved to get witch hunted, this is a game where tournaments have prize pools and there are prizes for getting scores on certain maps (bounties), being nice to cheaters will ruin the game
Well, fuck. 😆
I wish there were creative osu youtube videos :(
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nice video bro
but this does not explain the 42 does it? If he were to play a map with dt (from which we get the 63), and the same map but 1.5x sped up would he get 42 hold time?
it would seem theres more than just wooting tricks up behind
42*1.5=63
@@zeryle yea, and? if its dt that is the cause then it might be the cheat that adjusts timings for dt.
you don't stream at 42 ms on lower bpm and suddenly 63 for all higher (dt) streams
I don't understand why you're doing this... the funny thing is that there are at least another 20 in the top 100, we just don't know about them...
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hes obviously just the goat
he didnt get hacked he just deleted all socials and admitted to cheating after
he was banned
the amount of cheaters getting away with it for years is kinda sad.
Not trying to defend, but is this really against the rules? From what I understand cloutiful is flipping one of the keys so that instead of clicking on a downstroke, its a click on an upstroke, allowing him to essentially alternate by double tapping. Can someone elaborate on this and its cheating aspect?
yes, kds is explicitly not allowed
Doubletapping is only to act like he's playing normally, blud singletaps and it doubles his inputs, it's not even a question, it is NOT allowed
yeah they released a statement two or three months ago doubling down because wooting was like mainstreaming it that it was not allowed.
It's a click on a downstroke followed by a click on an upstroke essentially registering 2 clicks in 1 press.
Dereban literally singletapped 600 bpm streams with this feature, there is no way it should be allowed
He cheated but not really but he did 😲
Ok It explains 63 ms but what about nm he jest changing it to 42ms? I dont really get it shouldnt be it on 63 anyways?
42*1.5=63
@@zeryle yeah that what im saying its still not all clear
yeesh not only getting banned but also probably going to muslim hell
it's not like he is a cookielol
I hate cloutiful, was a big fan of him. Sad to hear that he cheated.
"innocent until proven guilty" the issue is he was proven guilty and you people ignored the evidence
rip cloutiful o7
technically it is against the rules, but i hope my boy will stay free
Welp
It happened pre wooting aswell
@@overlycaffeinated4857 it didn't, holdtimes centered around 63ish yes but not to the same degree as after wooting
@@kaimuu Still way too robotic
@@overlycaffeinated4857 not really, the graphs posted on reddit look more spikey than they really are because of the way they're displayed, the generally follow a normal distribution per key which is expected
"syso"
not really that crazy of a cheat, hope he doesnt do it in the future tho
wish him the best
You're making more inputs than movements which is cheating. If you want to stream 300 BPM you can't doubletap at 150 BPM and get away with it. You need to have the fingers fast enough to do it legitimately. It is not an abuse it's a feature but in osu! it's a strong unfair advantage since it reduces the difficulty of the game by many times.
and what explaines the 63/42
It's possible he's lying about how he cheated to try save face by admitting to a much lighter cheating method.
I don't know how this would explain it so that's my assumption.
Edit: Apparently the 63/42 is explained by how osu calculates the time ingame. If the IRL hold time is 42 ms, but he plays double time, the 1.5x multiplier is also added to the hold time. Or something similar. So he probably did cheat using Wooting's settings.
@@WhiteZet1 yea I kind of think so too
It's reproducible with DKS
@@givikap120 What's DKS & did someone reproduce it?
@@WhiteZet1 wooting settings
and of course it was reproduced
did you even followed the drama?
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DKS aint cheats tho, but all these wooting advantages kinda affect the skill definition in lotta cases ngl
not allowed on osu = cheat
@@chaniibak7702 exploit :)
generally, wootility aint a third-party software in such case tho this exact DKS function is close to restricted macro prog, so yeah
@@ivyish [yt lost my 1st comment which said that its more an exploit than a cheat imo]
ye I fully agree, I just wanna point that its kinda exploit since DKS is provided by an official driver, so generally makes no sense, but no direct cheating there as well imo
osu rules restrict macros ik, but wootility is not a cheat itself, but can be exploited in osu case
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I don't think it's cheating because there wasn't any rules regarding this use of hardware and it's not as easy as it looks even though it gives you advantage with ur
peppy talked about that before, last year i think. And he said it was indeed bannable
dks is a type of macro, and macro is prohibited.
And I think you have a brain defect
to clear things up, the rule is: one full keypress must correspond to one in-game input. one full keypress is the press AND release of a key.
doubletapping is essentially treating 2 keys as one, which makes cloutiful's method bannable since it gives two inputs for one full doubletapped keypress, on press and on release. a regular doubletap would have both inputs on the key press and not one on the release.
this essentially makes streams playable as doubletapped jumps, which is obviously fraudulent.
obviously, you still need to aim and have some level of proper tapping, but for speed / stream maps, it becomes MUCH easier to master them and acc them if all you have to do is press and release to the beat.
i mean ya he used wooting thing but its not like he is relax player and i know this can feel like cheats but do we relize how far can be osu pp records be pushed if this was allowed? dont take this as covering that he did not did a bad thing this is just my opinion
well actually he didnt admitted yet, this is only plasma saying that he admitted. still waiting on the official response
he showed an ss of him admitting it
Well he did delete his UA-cam and twitter, so I assume he will probably just dissapear from the osu community
@@rukarula ss could be just made up man, he either gets banned or he admits on his own social media.
@@rukarula that ss also provided 0 context
@@chewy1301 plasma is best friends with cloutiful. also, the only explanation before he posted his liveplay WAS dks. It was literally known confirmation, plasma was just like "yeah he admitted"
hows this cheating. its literally a wooting feature wtf
because that's essentialy a macro, a lot of heyboards have one, even my random ass chinese keyboard has a macro
its like setting a macro to make your mouse click twice with one click and tapping at 150 bpm to stream 300 bpm, dynamic keystrokes literally does inputs for you that you arent actually doing
macros are not allowed
wait it shouldn't be bannable, he just found a clever way to cheese the game. Basically he just binded x input to different action and ppl do it all the time without getting ban, like Robloxxa binded the input keys to soda cans, potatoes, ... the other guys bind it to the dance pad, piano keys, etc etc. Unless there're official rules to not allow players bind key inputs to upstroke keys or something
No basically binded two outputs to just one input, kinda like a macro tf u on?
@@iooiralala4278 i dont think that's what i does. the tweet states "only activates on an upstroke", so i believe it's more like you press down z and it pressed z, you release x and it pressed x. so instead of having two inputs at the same time while doubletapping it sends one of the two inputs for the release.
if i'm correct on how this works, this actually isn't that bad. i've seen a guy tape a keypad to the underside of his desk before, while also having one on top so he could move his hand up and down and always hit one of the keypads with either up or downstroke of his arm.
this "software based approach" just seems like a more optimal way to play like this.
dont yet know how i feel about his
@@iooiralala4278 but he does not, he only bind key input to upstroke key, not downstroke and upstroke at the same time. So it's like press the keyboard normally but the input comes after a little delay. And for someone mentioned the rules in the comment that you can't have 2 inputs in a single press, which he only has 1 so that's legal? I guess
@@janmagtoast nah that's exactly what it does, in fact the double binded key iirc is on his non dominant finger so that he doesn't fuck up jumps, also, have u seen the live play? He is double tapping od 11 300 bpm spaced stream with pitch perfect acc, and he can do this only cus tecnically he is double tappig with one key and between the two outputs of the SAME key there is a slight delay thanks to the fact that one output is generated by the key being pressed and the other one by the same key being released, giving him an infinitely better unstable rate in comparison to a real doubletap cus when u duble tap the outputs from your key are basically simultaneous thus making you hit the first note normally and the 2 too early, sorry if my english is fkn broken but it's not my language and im pulling am involountary osu420 thanks to uni
@@estaliah.8276 brother it is literally written in the plasma tweet,
Same answer as the guy above, i get it it's sad that cloutiful is a cheater but we need to move on.
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how is that cheating? He is just using a weird technik that is just using the power of the wooting in an unconventional way.
Because it counts as a script abuse
Getting 2 inputs when only tapping once is cheating, how is it not?
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lol owned
There is no God, it isn't that deep
Your comment, or should I say your stupidity. Is completely unnecessary.
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Ngl, not should be banned for that.
Either you didn't understand, know nothing about osu rules, or you're dumb. For every single key press his keyboard registers 2 inputs (second one is on the way up) meaning he clicks half the speed needed, he only singletaps, he never streams. How wouldn't this bannable lol
You obviously don't play osu enough to think that lmfao