I like to think that the Tholians are the only species in Star Trek that is truly alone. There are no other life forms in the galaxy who match their heat and biochemical nature, no other worlds have the right conditions for them to settle (the closest would be Venus-like worlds and even those are pretty toxic), and a quirk of the cosmos has placed their star system in multiple timelines, meaning they can't even find more of themselves in the mirror universe. They are wholly alone, and that infuriates them.
The Tholians really are portrayed in an unnerving way in this episode. We don't see them on screen, we only hear their horrific screechy language and the robotic voice synthesiser really give the impression its a wholy alien race establishing contact
Trek either intentionally or accidentally, made the Tholians vague and mysterious. That is critical to a science fiction alien species. We learn little bits here and there about them. Startrek Online didn't ruin the Tholians, but it did shatter some of the mystique that surrounded them, based partly, from the ENT episode 'In a Mirror Darkly' by showing the Tholians unveiled. That being said, I though ENT's adaptation of the Tholians was kinda cool, even if it did remove the mystery. They're totally alien, menacing and their environmental requirements are pretty unique to startrek aliens as a whole.
In Star Trek Online you encounter this vessel before it's destroyed and it's one crewmember, they came in a temporal ship to help with a star in one of the habitable systems of two races that were very different on two different planets. One race tried to use a new technology based off of the unique properties of their protomatter knowledge to re-ignite the sun, something went wrong and the ship was sent to Archer's time and the pilot was killed. Temporal agents from various species tried to get it's technology before it was thrust through time and destroyed.
@@TVperson1 One thing I don't like about Tholian torpedo is, it doesn't amplify with any DrainX, ControlX or EPG. Looks cool though. I still would pick Enhanced Biomolecular Photon Torpedo from the counter command reputation and will use with "Concentrate Firepower III" Command Ability.
There's no way the borg could assimilate a tholian. They are non humanoid and would require too many life support requirements. If they could, they would have been able to assimilate species 8472.
@@cooldude333 I'm with you on never underestimating the borg. They probably could find a way to assimilate the tholians. But, it would be way more problems then its worth. They would require their own special ship with a life support that would kill the organic part of all other drones. Their tractor beam technology and their science in temporal and quantum mechanics is all the borg might care about. Tholian silk i can't see the borg wearing lol. And yes I'm aware I go way too far with these extended fictional accounts haha
If you are an ambassador in the Star Trek universe, the last thing you want to hear is that you pissed off your superiors to the point that you've been appointed ambassador to the Tholeans. Pack your bags. You're headed for a toasty 200° planet.
@@kathic6402 Remember the Tholian from Mirror verse stole a Future Federation ship it could be that also spark prime line Tholian to be affect to some how
Trek has a bad habit of fixing up 40 hours worth of top-notch engineer's repair time in 1 hour because the captain said so, like in every other episode. That bothers me more than anything else.
@@preddy09 Nearly every time I'm working on a car, I wonder why I've never heard the exchange: "Engineering, we need that warp drive in the next 30 seconds or we're all dead" / "Sorry sir, I almost had it, but that last disruptor blast made me drop the phase inducer down the warp core shaft. There's no way I can retrieve it in time."
@@delcox8165 Or something even more basic like "I haven't slept in 40 hours working on the repairs under battle stress, and I can't tell which button I'm pressing now"
I like her too, whether she was with Archer or Trip. Archer helped her by taming her in a way. They couldn't date as superior and subordinate officers couldn't, but that didn't stop them from helping each other. Trip helped her more socially in a way, even before she took that Trellium to learn what it meant to feel emotions-good and bad. She even learned to eat with her fingers, enjoy movie night, play-act, and take care of her baby (even though it was only for a short time before Elizabeth died). You think she would have had these opportunities had she not stayed with the crew?
yup Likely Using Stolen Federation tech from both the Mirror Verse and Prime Line to create their Advance Ships if i recall the USS Defiant (NCC-1764) got a distress call from the Mirror Tholians wanting to Steal their shit and it got sent to them after some crazy stuff it Might be considering it got sent to the Past Mirror verse not present that it shifted the Tholian Hegemony from weak tech to what what we see basically Mirror verse Tholians created Prime Line Tholians it would Explain how they know about time travel and the Mirror verse
They signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion. The Tholians were content to sit back and let everyone else beat the crap out of each other. Although it was pointed out that if the Federation lost then the Tholians wouldn’t stand a chance against the Dominion so it’s possible they could have gotten involved later on but I don’t know.
Virginia Connor Canonical inconsistency between TOS and ENT. One of many which appear throughout ENT. The first Federation encounter with the Tholians supposedly occurs in the TOS episode ‘The Tholian Web’. In that episode, nothing said onscreen indicates any prior knowledge by the Federation about the Tholians as a species. The Tholians appear in only that one TOS episode. Based on that, Archer’s Enterprise should not have encountered the Tholians in his time. Strictly speaking, the whole ENT series storyline has very little canonical basis in TOS.
@dwdeline55 I don't see "Doscovery" as being any more canonical than "TOS" when it stated that Spock had a sister and a learning disability. Never read Gene Roddenberry's Writer's Guidelines? Nowhere did it say he had any siblings or learning disabilities, etc.
@@markreeter6227 Nope, this is not at all inconsistent because the Federation already knew the Tholians existed before the events of TOS "The Tholian Web". Spock even mentions their "renowned Tholian punctuality" during that episode.
@@virginiaconnor8350 Enterprise occasionally got TOS canon wrong, although this is not an example because the Tholians were known to the Federation before the events of TOS "The Tholian Web". The biggest difference is that, unlike Discovery, Enterprise tried to maintain the optimistic tone of the previous Trek series. I don't think anyone would want to live in the universe of Discovery. It's a terrible place filled with terrible people.
April 5, 2063 Here's my request: Can you please upload Enolian Patrols Intercept Prison Transport and Get Disabled scene from "Star Trek: Enterprise" Season 2 Episode 17 "Canamar?"
Archer: "What did he say?" Helms-person: "I don't know. But I don't think he was paying you a compliment." I haven't watched much Star Trek Enterprise, so maybe most of you aren't as shocked by this exchange as I am. Can you imagine Sulu talking to Kirk in such a manner, or Wesley Crusher talking to Picard in that manner? Did this Star Trek Enterprise era occur in some time period before junior Star Fleet officers learned proper protocol and respect when speaking to a senior officer?
Judging by how they talk to each other before her commission (not Starfleet graduation, she was commissioned specifically as a linguist), Archer (who has a tendency to be lax with the rules and interpersonal politeness) and her were friends before this. Plus, I think you'd make a poor Starfleet captain if you chewed out a subordinate for speaking informally while stressed.
I'm opposed to fans blatantly shitting on new Star Trek series while Threshold continues to be a thing that existed, but generally, military-esque organizations (including the not-military-very-organized Starfleet) require a specific degree of clarity and formality. You don't mince words by being ambiguous, you address the highest ranking officer with all relevant briefings, and you don't disrespect the chain of command or your superiors. Like I said: considering that, I think Hoshi Sato is commissioned specifically as a linguist, and only technically an officer. Captain Archer plays loose with the rules to get what he thinks everyone needs.
Star Trek was hopeless at distances. They'd say a ship was 500km away and show an exterior shot where it was almost touching the Enterprise / Voyager / Defiant / etc
Tholians Demonstrating Once Again Hippity Hoppity THECHNOLOGY IS ARE PROPERTY I have a Feeling Both Mirror and Prime Line Tholian are Identical hence why their so technology advanced and after future tech
This episode was a retcon because the first time Starfleet encountered the Tholians was when Kirk's Enterprise encountered them in the original Star Trek series.
or if you want to split hairs the first time federation starfleet encountered tholians and archer is part of the united earth starfleet. it's two different organizations. might as well say the confederate army made first contact with xyz but the confederate army became the union army .... i can't think of any better analogy using real life.
in the TOS episode Spock mentions the renown punctuality of the Tholians. meaning everyone knows about Tholians and their thing for punctuality. so it is implied that at least some stuff is known about Tholians at the time of the TOS episode.
ALTERNATE TIMELINE . is nobody paying attention? as soon as the inter-dimensional aliens interfered with the past (not from their perspective but ours) it created a new timeline
I like to think that the Tholians are the only species in Star Trek that is truly alone. There are no other life forms in the galaxy who match their heat and biochemical nature, no other worlds have the right conditions for them to settle (the closest would be Venus-like worlds and even those are pretty toxic), and a quirk of the cosmos has placed their star system in multiple timelines, meaning they can't even find more of themselves in the mirror universe. They are wholly alone, and that infuriates them.
How dare you to make me feel sad for some sngry christaline human/spider chimeras.
@@ThePandoraGuy there's like no basis in canon, but I like feeling sad about aliens.
They exist in the Mirror Universe!
@@DMSProduktions yeah, but I mean the Tholians in the Mirror Universe are the same Tholians as the main universe.
@@nickmalachai2227 Yes, of course! They are still Xenophobes!
The Tholians really are portrayed in an unnerving way in this episode. We don't see them on screen, we only hear their horrific screechy language and the robotic voice synthesiser really give the impression its a wholy alien race establishing contact
And they were simply trying to warn Enterprise: "It is dangerous to you."
Nah, they wanted the ship. Tholians are obsessed with temporal mechanics and quantum realities
Trek either intentionally or accidentally, made the Tholians vague and mysterious. That is critical to a science fiction alien species. We learn little bits here and there about them. Startrek Online didn't ruin the Tholians, but it did shatter some of the mystique that surrounded them, based partly, from the ENT episode 'In a Mirror Darkly' by showing the Tholians unveiled. That being said, I though ENT's adaptation of the Tholians was kinda cool, even if it did remove the mystery. They're totally alien, menacing and their environmental requirements are pretty unique to startrek aliens as a whole.
@@Tylerpierre99 I hope CBS or Kurtzman did not see this or the Tholians are done for.
@@RoodeMenon "The Tholians are all Michael Burnham. Yes, all of them. Stop asking questions."
I'm sure Tholian silk must've been either very hardy, or a joke for anyone who may remember the Tholians.
T'Pol wore a silk robe which she dropped just to test Trip. I wonder if that was the talakian silk.
Maybe it's like asbestos (heat-resistant fibrous mineral)?
@@sargon6000 Feels like heaven, protects you from the fires of hell, but screws up your lungs till you go to either.
@Shadow Man
Would like to have seen a tholian web used against the Dominion.
Id guess hardy.
Tholians are awesome.
In Star Trek Online you encounter this vessel before it's destroyed and it's one crewmember, they came in a temporal ship to help with a star in one of the habitable systems of two races that were very different on two different planets. One race tried to use a new technology based off of the unique properties of their protomatter knowledge to re-ignite the sun, something went wrong and the ship was sent to Archer's time and the pilot was killed. Temporal agents from various species tried to get it's technology before it was thrust through time and destroyed.
Tholians are pretty spooky when you actually see them. Crystal spiders!
The Tholians completely wiped the floor with the Vulcans.
Tholian disruption torpedoes, not too powerful, but drain all the power.
@@cmdrtianyilin8107 That makes sense. Tholians would use a lot of power to maintain life support, so they'd have to conserve it.
@@TVperson1 One thing I don't like about Tholian torpedo is, it doesn't amplify with any DrainX, ControlX or EPG. Looks cool though. I still would pick Enhanced Biomolecular Photon Torpedo from the counter command reputation and will use with "Concentrate Firepower III" Command Ability.
I don’t think The Borg could assimilate the Tholians.
They probably could.
But that's assuming they could ever actually capture a live tholian without it willingly freezing itself
There's no way the borg could assimilate a tholian. They are non humanoid and would require too many life support requirements. If they could, they would have been able to assimilate species 8472.
@@DisaStar258 they would adapt the tholians to serve their needs. Never underestimate the Borg!
@@cooldude333 You overestimate the borg, they are not all powerful.
@@cooldude333 I'm with you on never underestimating the borg. They probably could find a way to assimilate the tholians. But, it would be way more problems then its worth. They would require their own special ship with a life support that would kill the organic part of all other drones. Their tractor beam technology and their science in temporal and quantum mechanics is all the borg might care about. Tholian silk i can't see the borg wearing lol. And yes I'm aware I go way too far with these extended fictional accounts haha
If you are an ambassador in the Star Trek universe, the last thing you want to hear is that you pissed off your superiors to the point that you've been appointed ambassador to the Tholeans. Pack your bags. You're headed for a toasty 200° planet.
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see a Tholian in the flesh on this show
Actually we did, in one of the Mirror Universe episodes.
One of the sounds the Tholians make sounds like a Zebra.
Always wondered how the Tholians know his first name.
Underrated comment.
The people who told them about the time ship
@@kathic6402 Remember the Tholian from Mirror verse stole a Future Federation ship it could be that also spark prime line Tholian to be affect to some how
@@DMSProduktions He did not, he identifies himself as "Captain Archer" to the Tholians, yet they call him "Jonathan Archer"
@@cwjian90 SOME1 TOLD them!
"20,000 KM & closing" yet the external shot shows them to be in walking distance to each other. Trek's had a bad habit of that though.
Trek has a bad habit of fixing up 40 hours worth of top-notch engineer's repair time in 1 hour because the captain said so, like in every other episode. That bothers me more than anything else.
@@preddy09 Nearly every time I'm working on a car, I wonder why I've never heard the exchange: "Engineering, we need that warp drive in the next 30 seconds or we're all dead" / "Sorry sir, I almost had it, but that last disruptor blast made me drop the phase inducer down the warp core shaft. There's no way I can retrieve it in time."
@@delcox8165 Or something even more basic like "I haven't slept in 40 hours working on the repairs under battle stress, and I can't tell which button I'm pressing now"
No, it really was 20,000km. The Enterprise is just HUGE.
To be fair, the shots are a lot less cinematic, when done to proper scale.
look at the way reed is sitting, mad lad
I love how the NX-01 enterprise crew would get into wacky situations 😂😂
Tholians sound like nails on chalkboard 😳
T’pal is the reason I loved Enterprise
I like her too, whether she was with Archer or Trip. Archer helped her by taming her in a way. They couldn't date as superior and subordinate officers couldn't, but that didn't stop them from helping each other. Trip helped her more socially in a way, even before she took that Trellium to learn what it meant to feel emotions-good and bad. She even learned to eat with her fingers, enjoy movie night, play-act, and take care of her baby (even though it was only for a short time before Elizabeth died). You think she would have had these opportunities had she not stayed with the crew?
naah man hoshi....my lord i would leave all my man goo in her
Pretty shure Tholians just wanted the ship for themselves.
yup Likely Using Stolen Federation tech from both the Mirror Verse and Prime Line to create their Advance Ships
if i recall the USS Defiant (NCC-1764) got a distress call from the Mirror Tholians wanting to Steal their shit and it got sent to them after some crazy stuff
it Might be considering it got sent to the Past Mirror verse not present that it shifted the Tholian Hegemony from weak tech to what what we see
basically Mirror verse Tholians created Prime Line Tholians
it would Explain how they know about time travel and the Mirror verse
I wonder how the Tholians contributed to the Dominion war. Did they make energy webs around the Jem'Hadar ships?
They signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion. The Tholians were content to sit back and let everyone else beat the crap out of each other.
Although it was pointed out that if the Federation lost then the Tholians wouldn’t stand a chance against the Dominion so it’s possible they could have gotten involved later on but I don’t know.
Targeting ? They're literally RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!
Did Cpt. Kirk know about the Tholians from their readings of Archers files?
Virginia Connor Canonical inconsistency between TOS and ENT. One of many which appear throughout ENT. The first Federation encounter with the Tholians supposedly occurs in the TOS episode ‘The Tholian Web’. In that episode, nothing said onscreen indicates any prior knowledge by the Federation about the Tholians as a species. The Tholians appear in only that one TOS episode. Based on that, Archer’s Enterprise should not have encountered the Tholians in his time. Strictly speaking, the whole ENT series storyline has very little canonical basis in TOS.
@dwdeline55 I don't see "Doscovery" as being any more canonical than "TOS" when it stated that Spock had a sister and a learning disability. Never read Gene Roddenberry's Writer's Guidelines? Nowhere did it say he had any siblings or learning disabilities, etc.
@@markreeter6227 good TOS only deserves minor lip service.
@@markreeter6227 Nope, this is not at all inconsistent because the Federation already knew the Tholians existed before the events of TOS "The Tholian Web". Spock even mentions their "renowned Tholian punctuality" during that episode.
@@virginiaconnor8350 Enterprise occasionally got TOS canon wrong, although this is not an example because the Tholians were known to the Federation before the events of TOS "The Tholian Web". The biggest difference is that, unlike Discovery, Enterprise tried to maintain the optimistic tone of the previous Trek series. I don't think anyone would want to live in the universe of Discovery. It's a terrible place filled with terrible people.
They should just tell Archer that the ship is from the future.
i think they did by mentioning temporal radiation.
That's why everyone wants it.
Ohhhh... those pesky Tholians.
☮
Where were they in the other Star Trek?
they send a whole 10-hour Crab Rave video onto the Enterprise's datalinks, then cut off
Thanks for the "warning". 😠
I like the original Tholian's voice tho.
Me too!
Why do their control panels have huge thermal fans on them?
Heat?
It is to help ventilate Archer's pure erotic aroma.
Computers do generate a lot of heat, I guess the fans are there to pull the heat away, and keep them cool.
April 5, 2063
Here's my request: Can you please upload Enolian Patrols Intercept Prison Transport and Get Disabled scene from "Star Trek: Enterprise" Season 2 Episode 17 "Canamar?"
Yes I can. I will upload that clip on 7-29-19.
I wonder if there is a connection with this scene and the mirror universe episode...
Archer: "What did he say?"
Helms-person: "I don't know. But I don't think he was paying you a compliment."
I haven't watched much Star Trek Enterprise, so maybe most of you aren't as shocked by this exchange as I am. Can you imagine Sulu talking to Kirk in such a manner, or Wesley Crusher talking to Picard in that manner? Did this Star Trek Enterprise era occur in some time period before junior Star Fleet officers learned proper protocol and respect when speaking to a senior officer?
First time watching Enterprise?
Judging by how they talk to each other before her commission
(not Starfleet graduation, she was commissioned specifically as a linguist), Archer (who has a tendency to be lax with the rules and interpersonal politeness) and her were friends before this.
Plus, I think you'd make a poor Starfleet captain if you chewed out a subordinate for speaking informally while stressed.
Still better than nutrek…out of curiousity, how should she had talked? /srs
I'm opposed to fans blatantly shitting on new Star Trek series while Threshold continues to be a thing that existed, but generally, military-esque organizations (including the not-military-very-organized Starfleet) require a specific degree of clarity and formality. You don't mince words by being ambiguous, you address the highest ranking officer with all relevant briefings, and you don't disrespect the chain of command or your superiors.
Like I said: considering that, I think Hoshi Sato is commissioned specifically as a linguist, and only technically an officer. Captain Archer plays loose with the rules to get what he thinks everyone needs.
I wonder if the Tholians are the first beings to learn about the multiple timelines and truly believe on the multiverse theory early on.
20,000km and closing? Maybe 20km at most... though really it looked like 2km.
20,000km is the diameter of some smaller planets.
Well that is quiet close for spaceships and if you would show these two ships this way you would have 2 pixels chasing each other XD
Star Trek was hopeless at distances. They'd say a ship was 500km away and show an exterior shot where it was almost touching the Enterprise / Voyager / Defiant / etc
@@leonkernan Is.
When you travel at warp speed, from 20.000 km. to touch each other is real fast.
if they woud use real dstances in exterior shots the ships would just be 2 barely visible dots faceing each other
What episode was this? I don’t remember ANY episodes of Enterprise with Tholians.
Season 2 Episode 16 Future Tense and Season 4 In a Mirror, Darkly, Part 1
how did he know cpt archers first name?
I assumed the Tholians had their version of Future Guy.
Huh. SZo much for "When at warp flight, no left or right", huh Mr. Paris?
what did he say?? IDK but I could venture some guesses (if we weren't on network tv).
They said f*ck off, we'll be back lol.
So their version of Arnold?
Tholians Demonstrating Once Again
Hippity Hoppity THECHNOLOGY IS ARE PROPERTY
I have a Feeling Both Mirror and Prime Line Tholian are Identical hence why their so technology advanced and after future tech
I read Thotlian lol
Considering the last bit wasn't translated by the Tholians' own translator, I can only assume it was some untranslatable slur...
nothing about this series I like except for Jolene Blalock.
This episode was a retcon because the first time Starfleet encountered the Tholians was when Kirk's Enterprise encountered them in the original Star Trek series.
or if you want to split hairs the first time federation starfleet encountered tholians and archer is part of the united earth starfleet. it's two different organizations. might as well say the confederate army made first contact with xyz but the confederate army became the union army .... i can't think of any better analogy using real life.
@@joeswanson733 Except having starlet in Enterprise encounter the Tholians is a blatant retcon, the Federation first encountered then in ST:TOS.
in the TOS episode Spock mentions the renown punctuality of the Tholians. meaning everyone knows about Tholians and their thing for punctuality. so it is implied that at least some stuff is known about Tholians at the time of the TOS episode.
@@jerryadams6799 I will have to rewatch that episode because the last time I watched it was way back in the 80s.
ALTERNATE TIMELINE . is nobody paying attention? as soon as the inter-dimensional aliens interfered with the past (not from their perspective but ours) it created a new timeline
Wow the acting here feels very wooden and stale.
The Tholian sounds like an SJW. 😂🤣