That Palau twist was shitty. I still feel bad for Wanda and Jonathan. I would love to see a returnee season filled with players who got screwed by twists.
Here's the thing. Both of them still had 24 hours to socialize or form bonds with people, and they failed at it. According to cast interviews, Jonathan rubbed people the wrong way because he constantly complained about his expensive clothes getting ruined. And Wanda annoyed a couple people immediately over her constant singing. And because of that, people didn't want to work with them so they voted them out. I can understand why it's shitty, but I wouldn't say it isn't fair.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I just find it shitty simply because they went through the whole casting process, got on the show, flew all the way out to Palau, must have been extremely excited. And then they never had the opportunity to be on a tribe, compete in a challenge, go to tribal, get a torch, and so forth. You know what I mean?
Cirie getting defaulted out the game with no one ever casting a vote against her was the dumbest thing I've ever seen on my TV during Survivor. There should never be that many immunity items in play at one time.
master11050 look at second chances Kieth was gonna be in that boat before cirie. Because of this Spencer-Immunity Necklace Jeromy-Idol Wentworth-Idol Tasha-Has 2 votes on her Kimmy-Has 2 votes on her Keith-the only one who loses if it ties again heck he was willing to take one for the team and have Kimmy stay instead of himself
Jayson Aguilar just imagine waiting to play the game for years and finally get a chance just to be not picked, poor Jonathan they picked Williard over him
Whenever I see that twist being mentioned I get a very very bad feeling. Like I wan't to cry. And I do not do that usually but man that hurt. Like it was happening to me. Still can't get over that. Jonathan and Wanda should be brought back and at least given a chance.
They wouldn't be nearly as bad if they had one person come back at merge then stopped it. Doing it AGAIN and letting someone come back at final 5 is ridiculous.
I like redemption island. Hear me out... physical threats and challenge beasts are basically worthless at this point. They stand very little chance of winning. The second the merge happens, they get picked off one by one. In order for them to win, they have to either win every challenge or (in Ben’s case) find every hidden immunity idol, and then get lucky at the end apparently. Redemption island gives these people a chance to show their challenge skills and make a run at the money even if they are targeted for being a physical threat. Just my take. Curious as to what others think.
It gave your tribe a slight advantage in the Immunity Challenge. If you played the challenge without using the Medallion, you kept the Medallion; if you take the advantage, you forfeit the Medallion to the other tribe regardless of the outcome of the challenge. It was only used twice and, while the tribe who used it won each time, it was determined to not really make all that much of an impact; it was retired at the tribe switch and never mentioned again. It was active for four Immunity Challenges, and the team that held it was 3-1.
AFAIK, that was the original purpose for Gautemala, was to bring back Jonathan and Wanda. But they decided kinda last minute to give Stephanie and Bobby-Jon to play again even though, ya know, they actually played the first time around even if their tribe on Palau was decimated to just 1 person.
The game actually BROKE because of the legacy advantage. Someone went home because everyone was immune. The game has been bent before before, like the Second Chance tribal council, u know the one, where someone went home because he would be the only to draw a rock. But there was still gameplay to be made, so it was just bent. Cirie leaving broke the game tho. Hence why the legacy advantage is the worst
Taco Pizza Keith was not eliminated by default in Second Chance; a unanimous decision was reached to vote out Kimmi. And the Legacy Advantage did not break Survivor. Cirie was outplayed and went home fair and square.
@@dinohall2595 what are you on about cirie outplayed sarah she would have been sent home but because she had an unfair advantage cirie went home undeserved
@@flamingravenmc4058 Cirie did not outplay Sarah; she played winning games in Panama and Micronesia, but in Game Changers, Sarah was the top mastermind of strategic moves. The advantage was not "unfair"; if anything, the fact that it was only usable at 2 Tribals made it less powerful than an idol. And the only way Sarah was able to get the advantage was with good gameplay: gaining Sierra's trust enough that she spilled the beans, orchestrating her blindside and giving a good enough acting job that she willed the advantage to her.
In my opinion, I thought that the jury discussion instead of a jury speech that happened in Survivor Game Changers was an awful twist that defeated the purpose of the jury since the start of the show. Some of the best moments on the show were the jury speeches that were said to the final contestants, and the deliberation didn't work for me at all.
This is very valid criticism of the new FTC format. It removes the pedestal jurors were inherently granted in favor of openly discussing the merit of being the winner. I think the pedestals gave the jurors a chance to give their final 'hurrah', which made for some great TV, but I also think it made the FTC very static, very rigid. I think we're all OK with that because we're used to it, but I'm OK with trying the open discussion for a bit if only because it does still grant jurors time to talk, but it also kinda makes the 'final' tribal council more of a council than a podium. We'll have to see how it shakes out with a few more seasons. I'm not as hard on it as I am the new F4 twist, which I think is truly awful.
I agree. I hated that the jury get to discuss and have consensus. I much rather prefer having each juror addressing the finalists, having their own unique criteria such as picking a number, demanding apologies, or just destroy the finalists in general.
No joke!! I don't like it at all. Snake and rat, love confession, congratulations, singling players out as best or awful, tearing finalists apart... Jury speeches are tons better!
Peridiam I think this was mentioned in a past video, but I would like to see you do a season ranking video. I would love to hear where each season lands for you and your reasoning for why each season ends up where it does.
Good job!!! I usually can't stand narrated videos, but you do it well and your voice is not cringy I liked and subscribed Can't wait for your next video
Do you have any idea what this meaaaans to mee? Dude keep up the good work I love these videos and your knowledge of the game mixed with articulate commentary is fire content. Pls make more of these videos and maybe a top 10 Best strategic players or top 10 best rewards ever.
Redemption Island is fucking awesome! Does no one remember Matt going through everyone then losing the final challenge? Matt would've become an unknown pretty boy when voted out second but instead became a fan favorite, a powerhouse.
@@TheSunxy The best and most "survivor" story line of Survivor. Loved Ozzie just eating well and demolishing people in duels. It really levels the playing field for challenge dominant players. If Survivor is meant to be a microcosm of real life, then redemption is the stage we place professional athletes and high level entertainers on, so skilled in a specific area that they are dependent upon only their abilities rather then communal support.
I actually liked redemption island, maybe it's because of survivor ozzys island, I mean after he gets voted off for the 2nd time at the merge and fights and get back in, there was no way anyone else wins that final tribal. Ozzy single handedly eliminated so many people that his power despite being voted out was evident and clear. On the other hand I disagree that it was a good twist in bood vs. Water, it just felt clunky and a way to draw even more emotion out of an already emotional season
In my country - Bulgaria, there was a schoolyard pick too. But the people that were not chosen formed a secret third tribe. After 14 days they came back and there was a challenge. The winning two tribes should vote out two people from the loosing tribe and then - the loosing tribe is no more. The remaining players of it were sorted at the other two tribes.
@@BladeTheGabite that's sadly the only thing I remember about Bulgarian Survivor, and I've seen a lot of Survivors being talked about on the Survivor Wikia
I actually think the Outcast twist was perfectly fine as a one-off twist. If it happened again I would've said it sucked, but because it only happened once and actually fit with the theme I was okay with it. I was also okay with it because the Outcasts actually had to win a challenge against the other two tribes to come back, as opposed to it being a guarantee people returned like with Redemption Island, and the Redemption Island twist completely ruining the momentum of episode after episode. So I was fine with it. Other than that though, I agree with every twist you've mentioned here and enjoying your videos as usual.
Also the ones that returned to the game were fundamental to the post-merge game, even if you hate them (Lil's moments were really cringeworthy, but she gave us good television).
Joe I Honestly like any twist where a player returns Like redemption island and Out Cast twist is a great twist hopefully it returns but not in a redemption island season then it will be chaotic
Savage tried to sue Survivor over the twist. Savage and Ryno whine for years after it happened saying it was so unfair. Morgan was so bad challenge/gameplay wise that it wouldn't have mattered anyway, they were getting pagong'd
I've always felt that Survivor: Pearl Islands was the first "haves vs have-nots" season. Both tribes were thrown off the boat with nothing but a bag of coins and told to barter for what they needed in town before going to their beaches. This occurred in a Spanish speaking country and only one tribe had a member who spoke Spanish, resulting in the Drakes starting off with a LOT of stuff and the Morgans starting off with almost nothing. The Drakes were doing so well they actually threw a challenge!
Hey man! Great vid as usual! Some (broad) vid ideas for the off season! > Day 38 boots > Best and worst non-winner finalists > Who has a chance of winning a First Boot season? (RHAP did one of this) > 5 Seasons to recommend to a person who wants to check out Survivor for the first time > Best tribes in Survivor history Also, check out Australian Survivor and do vids about it!
Peridiam Legacy Advantage was the worst. There's no fun to it. There's no mystery behind it. There's no merits behind it and it's basically a "get out of jail for free" card bestowed upon you for nothing. It robbed Circe too btw.
I hated the Legacy Idol in Cagayan that can be played after the votes. That was just a straight ticket to final 4 for Tony. The one in Kaoh Rong was a little better where you need two idols to form it, but again it wasn’t that great
Any of the times where someone got eliminated within the first day or two just because they didn't get selected or something is so awful, I don't understand how anyone producing the show could possibly think viewers would enjoy that
Definitely the most messed up thing was voting two players off on the first day. As Peridiam notes, after the long process just to get to the island, everyone deserves a shot at playing the game. On one hand, it's voting people off that no one knows a thing about before either tribe even goes to tribal and on the other hand it's voting two people off at the same time. Most survivors that get voted out go home and think about what mistakes they made. There isn't much to think about when you get shot down before you have the chance to make any moves at all. Hoping the viewers taught the show never to try that again.
I personally loved redemption island. Though the editing could have definitely been much smoother, I think it added a new and exciting element to the thought of who to vote out.
WARNING: LOST POST The final 4 firemaking twist that happened in HvHvH was enough for me to rank the season a couple notches down, which is a goddamn shame. It doesn't matter who won that challenge, it's a slap to the face for the final immunity winner to work their ass off to win that challenge only to be told "CONGRATS YOU WON FINAL IMMUNITY, BUT FUCK YOU WERE NOT LETTING YOU PEOPLE DECIDE WHO GOES HOME LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 34 FUCKING SEASONS, WERE GIVING THE PERSON WHO LOST FAIR AND SQUARE A SECOND CHANCE!" And for those who say that it helps the "good players" get in. This whole game is centered around using social politics in order to stay in the game all the way until the end. If you cant have strong enough bonds/connections with people that allow you to stay in the game, then you aren't really that good of a player. Take a look at Earl Cole in Fiji, he was a clear threat that was well-liked by everyone, he didn't win the final immunity, but he had strong enough bonds in order to get to the F3 and become the first winner to get every vote. In Ben's case, he was the target from F7 onward, and had to solely rely on idols because he made himself so much of a target by causing too much friction with Lauren and Chrissy which allowed them to get the numbers against him. They were basically "get out of jail free" cards for him because he didn't have strong enough connections to stay. And when the idols coudn't help him anymore at F4, he knew he had to win immunity and he didn't, and it was clear he was the next to go. But he gets a second chance that brings him from a 0% chance to a 50% chance. To sump it all up. The twist is terrible because it takes the game away from the players hands, and gives the person who lost fair and square a second chance through no effort of their own.
I just finished watching h h h today for the first time and I was SO mad at the twist. Like Ben was good and all but that was totally changing the format and stole the win from Chrissy or Devon
i agree with you 100%, but let me play devil's advocate for a hot second - we all know now what chris underwood did to earn his way into the final 3 (ignore the fact that he was out of the game more than he was in the game, for the purpose of this comment, just assume he made it all the way to the final four and won the final immunity). he knew he was the only one out of gavin and julie that would be able to beat devens in the fire-making twist. yes, chris knew about the twist before the day he won immunity, unlike chrissy, and had some time to think about his strategy going into this, but chrissy had the same option. i completely agree that it screwed over the remaining players because of its unexpectedness in hhh, but a good survivor player will be able to adapt, and yes, when you're starving and tired it may be hard to think of things like this, especially when there is no precedent for a twist like the final four firemaking challenge, but chrissy still had a slight advantage over ben - knowing about the twist and having time to prepare for it. ben 100% was helped by production throwing this twist in last minute, and i will never forgive production for it, but there was always the option of chrissy giving up immunity to beat ben in firemaking herself. just like dom had the same option in ghost island. just saying, i agree with you, but also playing the other side.
@@jodimatthews2755 I don't even know why Ben is a fan favorite. He's annoying as hell and I don't even like Adam, but he was right when he was all, "BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SENSITIVE!"
CaptainTalon448 Survivor is a social game but also a game of surviving in a remote environment. What's the one survival skill everyone knows you should master before coming on Survivor? Making fire, of course. If you can't, that's entirely on you.
One of my least favorite twists was Survivor Guatemala when they started with both teams doing an 11 mile race through the dense jungle in 115 degree heat to get the best camp. Half of the Nakum tribe, which won, almost died of dehydration, all the men were dropping like flies and Bobby John’s eyes rolled into the back of his head, not to mention both tribes had to make camp over night in the jungle because they all got lost. What masochist came up with that idea?
I hated the twist were malcom got voted off. His biggest strength is his social game and it just ripped that element of survivor out completely. I hope it never comes back because it was awful.
Love your content man!! I didn't enjoy Kelley Wentworth just stumbling on an idol clue in the middle of a challenge, I think idols should be found/earned.
Declan Timothy that was the first idol. The second idol she found, she got the clue in the "run around and find a question, then pick the right answer" challenge. Her piece had the ring necessary for the challenge, with a clue as well
I’m surprised Kaoh Rong’s Jury Removal wasn’t mentioned. It seemed like such a cheap way to: A: Add more unneeded time into the finale B: Not undergo the traditional rule that happened in Cagayan and Micronesia to introduce an F2 C: Lower the odds of a Michele win, something Jeff has been outspokenly negative about, knowing production would be pretty clued that Fitz was coming in with a jury favouring her. D: Really just feels like a “fuck you” to whatever jury member who could’be played as far as 37 days and not even get to spectate the events of Day 39. E: Really just break the idea of how Judgement matters on Survivor. Maybe there’s something going on about the idea of a Jury removal if they did something similar to BBCAN3 where the F3 unanimously decided on removing a jury member, but without a doubt, Jury Removal felt like such a dud and a real misstep in a great season.
In the latest season of Australian Survivor Russell Hantz was on one of the tribes. He got voted out at their first tribal council...veterans don't always reach the end.
Don't know if this is a twist or not, but the default tiebreakers on a couple of seasons of survivor; particularly Paschal and the drawing of rocks on Survivor Marquesas. Possibly worse was the idea that if the tribe did not come to a consensus, the two players voted on would become safe from the vote.
Honestly! Especially in Millenials Vs Gen-X where they had to draw rocks for Zeke and Hannah and in the end JESSICA ended up going home after telling everybody they shouldn’t draw rocks :( I felt so bad for her she didn’t deserve that! I felt like they should’ve made Zeke and Hannah do the fire challenge
It’s to motivate players flipping and punishing the others for failing to come to a decision If their is no penalty for deadlocking a vote then we’d see 2 player rock draws at least twice a season which just isn’t interesting
I really like Redemption Island! :) It is interesting and gives the second chance and changes the dynamics of the game - like Ozzy's elimination. I don't like those twists with votes. I think they are unfair, because thei make contestanst unequal. I don't like Outcasts and stupid deleyed merge - but mostly because we lost Shi-Ann, maybe if someone else would be eliminated I would be happy. But the WORST of all is Jury Removal. It takes away only thing that should be certain. Merge may be sooner or later, you may go home becaue of the idol. Tat is ok and in "new school" everyone expects that. But jury should be a safe place. Not to mention that we lost good players: Neal and Tessa from Australian Survivor. And guy in glasses in BB Australia... But I don't really enjoy BB. And what if they eliminadet f.e Cidney? She made it day 38, was just barely eliminated by fire making and now is gone? Veeery unfair. Fire making from HvHvH is stupid and I prefere normal vote, but I hate Devin so I am glad he was eliminated. But I felt the whole season was made for Ben to win xD
The two sort-of twists that I didn't like were both involved in screwing over Cirie. The first was the sudden switch back to a Final Two in Micronesia, which completely screwed over her game. Had that been established earlier on, she would've strategized differently since there was no way Amanda or Parvati would've taken her to the end or that she could've beaten them for Final Immunity. The second was in Game Changers where she was eliminated by default after all of the ridiculous advantages converged at once. Since she received no votes in that Tribal, I think she should've been the ONLY one to vote since the first round of voting essentially amounted to no eligible votes being cast. Yes I am a big Cirie fan, but objectively it kinda sucks that she keeps getting screwed by the producers.
WORST TWIST OF ALL TIME Day 1 First impressions vote (S27 Blood vs Water) First there was LITERALLY NO TIME to interact (social game) and there was NO CHANCE to make yourself IMMUNE! At least both of those were covered in Palau as brutal as that was (#2 worst) it paled in comparison to this. Socializing is the name of the game so taking that away was soooo unfair (even by survivor standards) and NEVER should somebody be able to be voted off without any fighting chance to get immunity (aka 0 immune players in the entire game). This was not only anti survivor but DOUBLE ANTI SURVIVOR!!
This Is Gonna Sound So Basic But Michelle From BBB “Fire A Jury Member” Honestly Just Sucked, Like They Have No Shot To Win The Million Dollars, And They’ve Been Watching All The Game Play, And The One Thing They Were GUARANTEED If They Got Voted Out After A Certain Point Was Taken Because She (Michelle) Knew Neal Would’ve Been Rooting For Aubrey All The Way
I’m not as negative about Redemption Island (the twist). I think there are real benefits to it other than your standard vote out. For example, a lot of great drama has come out of Redemption Island than most the banter you see from Tribal Council. People are more open to let out their mind and this goes towards the people living in RI and the people playing. Several moments it has added great Cross-Tribe drama and at least some strategic moves between the tribes. On the TV standpoint,it makes for much more satisfying exits. Something that standard Survivor rules can’t change is the abruptness of when someone is voted out and they only have a few words to say their peace and that’s it. Redemption Island exits feel more “complete” per se. And I think moments such as either Russell exit or Laura M’s, exit feels more fleshed out rather than seeing someone like Ali grab her torch, look shocked and then leave council.We’ve seen a great strategic risk in it as well. One of my favourite moves in Survivor is seeing Savaii vote out Ozzy, in order to eliminate Christine and return to the game. It threw an added layer of strategy and posed one of the biggest risk in Survivor by going into Survivor’s version of Purgatory and to return with an added benefit. It worked well. The time argument also really doesn’t make sense to me either because for years, we’ve had to settle with Reward challenges, which more often than not, add no effect to the show and are basically the ultimate filler time. Especially in the pre-merge. I’d rather watch an RI comp than a reward comp since there’s at least genuine pressure when a Redemption Island competition is played.
Great video! I personally hated Yul's super powerful immunity idol that could be played after the votes are read. Way to effective, basically guarantees you're never going home. Producers never brought it back till Cagayan where it was bad as well.
You might as well make an updated video and add Edge of Extinction to it since somebody who was the third voted out actually won the game because of that twist, making nearly 10 episodes of the season completely irrelevant.
@@ryans413 Thank gosh they got rid of the Triple Eviction in Season 7. Season 7 may not have been very great TV, and it has it's own awful twist (The Inaffectivene-I mean Blood Veto). The secret assassin twist at least showed how good a certain player (won't spoil it, but he's one of my favourite players in the season) was, 'cause he was able to recover from that eviction
Air tempest Stop watching BBCAN after season 4 and to be honest season wasn’t bad don’t know about the others kinda stopped watching 3 I hated 2 wasn’t bad and season 1 was good
My mom says Redemption Island was the best season ever because of the twist. I hated that season because it was a pagonging and the twist was poorly thought out.
Dude not everyone has watched every single episode of every single season ever, so you could have explained each twist better rather than just naming it and the season.
Redemption Island is essential in a Blood Vs Water season, because all of those family relationships are so vital to the season, it's such a pay off to give them that extra airtime when the tribe's dirty laundry is aired out in front of everyone. BvW2 really suffered because of the removal of this twist. I remember Jeff saying he knew RI was really unpopular so that's why it was removed, but I think it's needed on BvW seasons, it works so well. Also, Laura Morett's S27 challenge run was legendary, and only added to the drama and tension of the season. Imagine this never happening if RI hadn't have been used, that would have been sad, plus Ciera would never have been able to vote her Mom out and that's an alternate universe I don't want to live in. #BRINGBACKRIONBVW
sarahott SJDS was fine without the RI twist, the post merge was entertaining and amazing. I prefer it over Blood vs Water because Blood vs Water gets really boring at the merge and Tyson winning as a character sucks.
@@brycerichardson3687 What has Natalie Anderson got to do with the discussion between Redemption Island Vs. Exile Island, which is what RI was replaced with last minute in S29? She's not even a good player, first boot in S40 and The Amazing Race S24, that's embarrassing!
@@sarahott I mean she won SJDS, she isn't bad. And I mean, of course she's going to have something to do with it when you bring her wining season up as something that suffered. A lot of people really like SJDS and it's cast and didn't feel a need for RI on it.
I would've just added the super idol of Panama & Cook Islands which undeniably shaped both seasons in ways that seemed unnatural and annoying. Also, I really hate the emergence of a new hidden immunity idol after one is played or leaves with the player. As proven with Ben & HHH, having this advantage is a complete reroute of the original social and manipulative game. I think there should only be an idol at each original tribe and one post-merge. These 2 twists imo are much more egregious than FvF or the Outcasts.
The twist in Fans vs. Favorites from final 3 to a final 2 Then also the immunity train in game changers Both happen to impact Cirie Fields (UNFORTUNATELY)!!! Has anyone else noticed that she has never been eliminated from the game properly, it always took some type of twist (fire making challenge, immunity idol/idols, and the twist from final 3 to 2).
Fire making challenge isn't really a twist though, but yeah, Cirie deserved better, especially in Game Changers where she did not receive A SINGLE VOTE
If anything it actually had a slight net positive effect on the season since it all but ensured that La Flor (the clearly more entertaining tribe) would go to at least one tribal council
Mike Bloom helped me find your channel and I'm so glad he did. I know this may seem controversial but the Fiji merge twist is actually my favourite one off twist the show has ever done. I think to be upset that it got Michelle Yi kicked off is being results oriented. I think you put this in a lot of situations it works out. For example, lets say that it was put in during Redemption Island. Instead of Rob pagonging everyone, he would have faced a situation where he had to work with the other side or have to face that a moment in the game was out of his control which would have made that season better. I think the way it went down in Fiji was bad, but I think if done more times it comes out more good than bad.
"Let's bring cochran on just because we can" - Jeff Probst, probably.
Samuel H he was probably Boston Rob’s understudy tbh
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why do ppl hate Cochran so much
@@siwap3809 idk. Maybe cuz Jeff loves him so much. BUT IF WE GONNA TALK ABOUT PEOPLE JEFF LOVES. **COUGH COUGH** Ben from hhh **COUG COUGH**
@@lukemoses7827 i guess Cochran or BoRob would have more fans if production didnt favor them so much, huh
That Palau twist was shitty. I still feel bad for Wanda and Jonathan. I would love to see a returnee season filled with players who got screwed by twists.
Here's the thing. Both of them still had 24 hours to socialize or form bonds with people, and they failed at it. According to cast interviews, Jonathan rubbed people the wrong way because he constantly complained about his expensive clothes getting ruined. And Wanda annoyed a couple people immediately over her constant singing. And because of that, people didn't want to work with them so they voted them out. I can understand why it's shitty, but I wouldn't say it isn't fair.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I just find it shitty simply because they went through the whole casting process, got on the show, flew all the way out to Palau, must have been extremely excited. And then they never had the opportunity to be on a tribe, compete in a challenge, go to tribal, get a torch, and so forth. You know what I mean?
@@paullepere7962 I think you're both right. ;-)
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it was too long ago. Wanda is too old, and Jonathan has probably lost the appeal that made them want to cast him.
Cirie getting defaulted out the game with no one ever casting a vote against her was the dumbest thing I've ever seen on my TV during Survivor. There should never be that many immunity items in play at one time.
I agree, the Legacy Advantage was the biggest problem.
makes me sick....especially since her famous Triple Play would've worked AGAIN and gotten Sarah out.
master11050 look at second chances Kieth was gonna be in that boat before cirie. Because of this
Spencer-Immunity Necklace
Jeromy-Idol
Wentworth-Idol
Tasha-Has 2 votes on her
Kimmy-Has 2 votes on her
Keith-the only one who loses if it ties again heck he was willing to take one for the team and have Kimmy stay instead of himself
No its dumber when they draw rocks and RNG someone home.
I think it should've went read the votes, which none for Cirie, then re vote
Survivor Palau school yard pick twist was terrible, inhumane, brutal and the worst ever twist
Jayson Aguilar just imagine waiting to play the game for years and finally get a chance just to be not picked, poor Jonathan they picked Williard over him
The immediate vote off in S27 was worse. At least in Palau they had a couple of days to socialize/make alliances.
Yeah, all of them should have been on a tribe. If Jonathan had been on unown they would have a better winner record
Whenever I see that twist being mentioned I get a very very bad feeling. Like I wan't to cry. And I do not do that usually but man that hurt. Like it was happening to me. Still can't get over that. Jonathan and Wanda should be brought back and at least given a chance.
Those two need to come back fr
Can we talk about the fact that miss Debra herself said “I’ve met presidents and prime ministers” when Debbie when.
Harley Post In her fevered imagination after she won that olympic gold in gymnastics before her Nobel Peace Prize.
You should do a winner rankings. Genuinely interested in your opinions
Human? been waiting for that as well
Yeah, he has a really good opinion about Survivor stuffs
Parvati #1 We all know this
Ekstein Malan nah
Peridiam: Redemption Island is the worst twist ever.
Edge of Extinction: Allow me to introduce myself
I really liked redemption island, I hated edge of extinction
They wouldn't be nearly as bad if they had one person come back at merge then stopped it. Doing it AGAIN and letting someone come back at final 5 is ridiculous.
“The worst twist ever is undoubtedly redemption island”
Edge of Extinction: hold my fire tokens
I like redemption island. Hear me out... physical threats and challenge beasts are basically worthless at this point. They stand very little chance of winning. The second the merge happens, they get picked off one by one. In order for them to win, they have to either win every challenge or (in Ben’s case) find every hidden immunity idol, and then get lucky at the end apparently. Redemption island gives these people a chance to show their challenge skills and make a run at the money even if they are targeted for being a physical threat. Just my take. Curious as to what others think.
Mike is like the sole exception to that
"I've met presidents...."
-Debbie
President of what? Your local book club?
Seamus Tierney I think she meant president of the United States Seamus.
@@stevesoucyttt4450 Yeah but u know she's capping so i wanted to make a joke out of it. I understand how delusional she is
Roasted
You know, you prolly shouldn’t be making fun of Debbie. She is omniscient and omnipotent, so she’ll prolly be completely pissed at you.
Palau twist was so damn cruel
The medalion of power was probably so bad that I don't even remember what it did.
Basically sums up the twist.
It gave your tribe a slight advantage in the Immunity Challenge. If you played the challenge without using the Medallion, you kept the Medallion; if you take the advantage, you forfeit the Medallion to the other tribe regardless of the outcome of the challenge. It was only used twice and, while the tribe who used it won each time, it was determined to not really make all that much of an impact; it was retired at the tribe switch and never mentioned again. It was active for four Immunity Challenges, and the team that held it was 3-1.
It wasnt that bad.
Surprised you didn’t mention the Kaoh Rong twist where Michele got to vote off a member of the jury
I hate the palau twist. I think that Jonathan and Wanda should come back for a second season.
Koopa TV they should have replaced stephanie and bobby jon
Koopa that John guy look like a guy that would have went far I hate that twist a lot so dum
weren't they the first options for Guatemala?
AFAIK, that was the original purpose for Gautemala, was to bring back Jonathan and Wanda. But they decided kinda last minute to give Stephanie and Bobby-Jon to play again even though, ya know, they actually played the first time around even if their tribe on Palau was decimated to just 1 person.
Wanda is my queen
The game actually BROKE because of the legacy advantage. Someone went home because everyone was immune.
The game has been bent before before, like the Second Chance tribal council, u know the one, where someone went home because he would be the only to draw a rock. But there was still gameplay to be made, so it was just bent.
Cirie leaving broke the game tho. Hence why the legacy advantage is the worst
Taco Pizza Keith was not eliminated by default in Second Chance; a unanimous decision was reached to vote out Kimmi. And the Legacy Advantage did not break Survivor. Cirie was outplayed and went home fair and square.
@@dinohall2595 what are you on about cirie outplayed sarah she would have been sent home but because she had an unfair advantage cirie went home undeserved
@@flamingravenmc4058 Cirie did not outplay Sarah; she played winning games in Panama and Micronesia, but in Game Changers, Sarah was the top mastermind of strategic moves. The advantage was not "unfair"; if anything, the fact that it was only usable at 2 Tribals made it less powerful than an idol. And the only way Sarah was able to get the advantage was with good gameplay: gaining Sierra's trust enough that she spilled the beans, orchestrating her blindside and giving a good enough acting job that she willed the advantage to her.
I agree that it was unfair but it's not the legacy advantage's fault
It’s less the Legacy Advantage’s fault and more an issue of too many advantages/idols in the game at once.
In my opinion, I thought that the jury discussion instead of a jury speech that happened in Survivor Game Changers was an awful twist that defeated the purpose of the jury since the start of the show. Some of the best moments on the show were the jury speeches that were said to the final contestants, and the deliberation didn't work for me at all.
This is very valid criticism of the new FTC format. It removes the pedestal jurors were inherently granted in favor of openly discussing the merit of being the winner. I think the pedestals gave the jurors a chance to give their final 'hurrah', which made for some great TV, but I also think it made the FTC very static, very rigid. I think we're all OK with that because we're used to it, but I'm OK with trying the open discussion for a bit if only because it does still grant jurors time to talk, but it also kinda makes the 'final' tribal council more of a council than a podium.
We'll have to see how it shakes out with a few more seasons. I'm not as hard on it as I am the new F4 twist, which I think is truly awful.
I agree. I hated that the jury get to discuss and have consensus. I much rather prefer having each juror addressing the finalists, having their own unique criteria such as picking a number, demanding apologies, or just destroy the finalists in general.
YEP!!! Everyone remembers a good jury speech. NOBODY remembers a jury discussion.
Couldn’t agree more
No joke!! I don't like it at all. Snake and rat, love confession, congratulations, singling players out as best or awful, tearing finalists apart... Jury speeches are tons better!
Next video: Best Twists!
Peridiam I think this was mentioned in a past video, but I would like to see you do a season ranking video. I would love to hear where each season lands for you and your reasoning for why each season ends up where it does.
Definitely in the cards!
Peridiam I would put the new FTC format in there
Good job!!!
I usually can't stand narrated videos, but you do it well and your voice is not cringy
I liked and subscribed
Can't wait for your next video
Peridiam it's an odd request but what about best survivor motifs (including tribal sets)
Do you have any idea what this meaaaans to mee?
Dude keep up the good work I love these videos and your knowledge of the game mixed with articulate commentary is fire content. Pls make more of these videos and maybe a top 10 Best strategic players or top 10 best rewards ever.
Thanks man!
No problem bro, this content keeps me held over until the new season comes out this Feb. Haha
OH MY GOD YES, PLEASE #BRINGBACKMICHELLEYI
And #BRINGBACKAARON?
Redemption Island is fucking awesome! Does no one remember Matt going through everyone then losing the final challenge? Matt would've become an unknown pretty boy when voted out second but instead became a fan favorite, a powerhouse.
Does no one remember Ozzie?
RI was shit
Andrew Smith Christine from SP did the same thing
Ikr. Redemption island is honestly my favorite twist that happened. I can't believe it's on this list.
@@TheSunxy The best and most "survivor" story line of Survivor. Loved Ozzie just eating well and demolishing people in duels. It really levels the playing field for challenge dominant players. If Survivor is meant to be a microcosm of real life, then redemption is the stage we place professional athletes and high level entertainers on, so skilled in a specific area that they are dependent upon only their abilities rather then communal support.
Imagine being casted on to your dream show, just to be taken out because of a schoolyard pick
I actually liked redemption island, maybe it's because of survivor ozzys island, I mean after he gets voted off for the 2nd time at the merge and fights and get back in, there was no way anyone else wins that final tribal. Ozzy single handedly eliminated so many people that his power despite being voted out was evident and clear. On the other hand I disagree that it was a good twist in bood vs. Water, it just felt clunky and a way to draw even more emotion out of an already emotional season
Parker Ettinger “Ozzy’s Pleasure Dome” as Sophie called it.
I agree with you. (Was going to post the same thing)
In my country - Bulgaria, there was a schoolyard pick too. But the people that were not chosen formed a secret third tribe. After 14 days they came back and there was a challenge. The winning two tribes should vote out two people from the loosing tribe and then - the loosing tribe is no more. The remaining players of it were sorted at the other two tribes.
What is the name of the bulgarian survivor?
Sounds a bit like the outcast twist but it differed a bit
Also don't forget the guy who died!
@@BladeTheGabite that's sadly the only thing I remember about Bulgarian Survivor, and I've seen a lot of Survivors being talked about on the Survivor Wikia
I actually think the Outcast twist was perfectly fine as a one-off twist. If it happened again I would've said it sucked, but because it only happened once and actually fit with the theme I was okay with it. I was also okay with it because the Outcasts actually had to win a challenge against the other two tribes to come back, as opposed to it being a guarantee people returned like with Redemption Island, and the Redemption Island twist completely ruining the momentum of episode after episode. So I was fine with it. Other than that though, I agree with every twist you've mentioned here and enjoying your videos as usual.
Also the ones that returned to the game were fundamental to the post-merge game, even if you hate them (Lil's moments were really cringeworthy, but she gave us good television).
The outcasts saved pearl islands because if the outcasts does not happen I see it being a pagonging both ways if drake wins and Morgan wins
Joe I Honestly like any twist where a player returns
Like redemption island and Out Cast twist is a great twist hopefully it returns but not in a redemption island season then it will be chaotic
Savage tried to sue Survivor over the twist. Savage and Ryno whine for years after it happened saying it was so unfair. Morgan was so bad challenge/gameplay wise that it wouldn't have mattered anyway, they were getting pagong'd
I did like outcasts better than redemption island though, because of the unexpectedness.
I enjoyed the duels but not the buff burning
I've always felt that Survivor: Pearl Islands was the first "haves vs have-nots" season. Both tribes were thrown off the boat with nothing but a bag of coins and told to barter for what they needed in town before going to their beaches. This occurred in a Spanish speaking country and only one tribe had a member who spoke Spanish, resulting in the Drakes starting off with a LOT of stuff and the Morgans starting off with almost nothing. The Drakes were doing so well they actually threw a challenge!
Thevspainish speaking person was Sandra
BRING BACK MICHELLE YI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6:37 wtf mechelle? Who spells it like that
That was obviously Dreamz lol
Hey man! Great vid as usual!
Some (broad) vid ideas for the off season!
> Day 38 boots
> Best and worst non-winner finalists
> Who has a chance of winning a First Boot season? (RHAP did one of this)
> 5 Seasons to recommend to a person who wants to check out Survivor for the first time
> Best tribes in Survivor history
Also, check out Australian Survivor and do vids about it!
Lotta good ideas here. I’ll get around to all of them at some point! Appreciate the ideas.
Hey guys, instead of a Top 5, I decided to cover every. single. bad. twist. Which do you think is the worst? And no, I didn't include the OP idol!
Peridiam Legacy Advantage was the worst. There's no fun to it. There's no mystery behind it. There's no merits behind it and it's basically a "get out of jail for free" card bestowed upon you for nothing. It robbed Circe too btw.
Peridiam the OutKast tribe is a bad tv and unjust for the other players
You really should have included juror removal
Peridiam what’s the op idol
I hated the Legacy Idol in Cagayan that can be played after the votes. That was just a straight ticket to final 4 for Tony. The one in Kaoh Rong was a little better where you need two idols to form it, but again it wasn’t that great
Any of the times where someone got eliminated within the first day or two just because they didn't get selected or something is so awful, I don't understand how anyone producing the show could possibly think viewers would enjoy that
Definitely the most messed up thing was voting two players off on the first day. As Peridiam notes, after the long process just to get to the island, everyone deserves a shot at playing the game. On one hand, it's voting people off that no one knows a thing about before either tribe even goes to tribal and on the other hand it's voting two people off at the same time. Most survivors that get voted out go home and think about what mistakes they made. There isn't much to think about when you get shot down before you have the chance to make any moves at all. Hoping the viewers taught the show never to try that again.
Ugh they did that once on Amazing Race. That poor team didn't even get to leave the parking lot.
There was twist that had no significance you forgot about it. Samoa- Team Captains
This channel deserves so many more subscribers
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“Fuck You Brad Cullepepper”
A couple seconds later
“Now Colton your crying?”
Lmao, it’s just a random way how they edited it tbh.
I personally loved redemption island. Though the editing could have definitely been much smoother, I think it added a new and exciting element to the thought of who to vote out.
WARNING: LOST POST
The final 4 firemaking twist that happened in HvHvH was enough for me to rank the season a couple notches down, which is a goddamn shame. It doesn't matter who won that challenge, it's a slap to the face for the final immunity winner to work their ass off to win that challenge only to be told "CONGRATS YOU WON FINAL IMMUNITY, BUT FUCK YOU WERE NOT LETTING YOU PEOPLE DECIDE WHO GOES HOME LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 34 FUCKING SEASONS, WERE GIVING THE PERSON WHO LOST FAIR AND SQUARE A SECOND CHANCE!" And for those who say that it helps the "good players" get in. This whole game is centered around using social politics in order to stay in the game all the way until the end. If you cant have strong enough bonds/connections with people that allow you to stay in the game, then you aren't really that good of a player. Take a look at Earl Cole in Fiji, he was a clear threat that was well-liked by everyone, he didn't win the final immunity, but he had strong enough bonds in order to get to the F3 and become the first winner to get every vote. In Ben's case, he was the target from F7 onward, and had to solely rely on idols because he made himself so much of a target by causing too much friction with Lauren and Chrissy which allowed them to get the numbers against him. They were basically "get out of jail free" cards for him because he didn't have strong enough connections to stay. And when the idols coudn't help him anymore at F4, he knew he had to win immunity and he didn't, and it was clear he was the next to go. But he gets a second chance that brings him from a 0% chance to a 50% chance.
To sump it all up. The twist is terrible because it takes the game away from the players hands, and gives the person who lost fair and square a second chance through no effort of their own.
Huge Ben fan but I agree with you 100%. It was very obvious they made that twist so that Ben could win, he was a big fan favourite
I just finished watching h h h today for the first time and I was SO mad at the twist. Like Ben was good and all but that was totally changing the format and stole the win from Chrissy or Devon
It was as though the twist was introduced just to give Ben a chance.
i agree with you 100%, but let me play devil's advocate for a hot second - we all know now what chris underwood did to earn his way into the final 3 (ignore the fact that he was out of the game more than he was in the game, for the purpose of this comment, just assume he made it all the way to the final four and won the final immunity). he knew he was the only one out of gavin and julie that would be able to beat devens in the fire-making twist. yes, chris knew about the twist before the day he won immunity, unlike chrissy, and had some time to think about his strategy going into this, but chrissy had the same option. i completely agree that it screwed over the remaining players because of its unexpectedness in hhh, but a good survivor player will be able to adapt, and yes, when you're starving and tired it may be hard to think of things like this, especially when there is no precedent for a twist like the final four firemaking challenge, but chrissy still had a slight advantage over ben - knowing about the twist and having time to prepare for it. ben 100% was helped by production throwing this twist in last minute, and i will never forgive production for it, but there was always the option of chrissy giving up immunity to beat ben in firemaking herself. just like dom had the same option in ghost island.
just saying, i agree with you, but also playing the other side.
@@jodimatthews2755 I don't even know why Ben is a fan favorite. He's annoying as hell and I don't even like Adam, but he was right when he was all, "BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SENSITIVE!"
Love coach in the thumbnail ☺️
Haha, I actually have a second thumbnail with Savage in it! Went back and forth between the two, settled on Coach. I love his pose.
Yeah for me that fire making challenge twist was the worst idea ever. Took a social game and in the climax of the series removed the social aspect
CaptainTalon448 Survivor is a social game but also a game of surviving in a remote environment. What's the one survival skill everyone knows you should master before coming on Survivor? Making fire, of course. If you can't, that's entirely on you.
One of my least favorite twists was Survivor Guatemala when they started with both teams doing an 11 mile race through the dense jungle in 115 degree heat to get the best camp. Half of the Nakum tribe, which won, almost died of dehydration, all the men were dropping like flies and Bobby John’s eyes rolled into the back of his head, not to mention both tribes had to make camp over night in the jungle because they all got lost. What masochist came up with that idea?
Thats what survivor is all about.
@@JobberJim Exactly, this is survivor.
I hated the twist were malcom got voted off. His biggest strength is his social game and it just ripped that element of survivor out completely. I hope it never comes back because it was awful.
Is it bad that Rupert is my favorite player of all time?
When I watched Debbie pull up to the feast, get to talk game with cochran, and THEN get an advantage, i was shook
Also when she said 'I have met presidents, prime ministers...' and just the whole Debbie attitude and Cochran's confessional about her lol.
#BringBackMichelleYi
Love your content man!! I didn't enjoy Kelley Wentworth just stumbling on an idol clue in the middle of a challenge, I think idols should be found/earned.
didn't she find an idol clue which told her the idol was in the challenge?
Declan Timothy that was the first idol. The second idol she found, she got the clue in the "run around and find a question, then pick the right answer" challenge. Her piece had the ring necessary for the challenge, with a clue as well
AnimationEpic holy moly animationepic :0
I actually liked that because she had to keep it hidden during the challenge and she still had to put in some work to get the actual idol
AnimationEpic
Agreed
Idols Should Be Found for the fans and contestants' satisfaction
The 'No Revote' rule in Game Changers probably made players feel comfortable enough to hold on to their idols, leading to advantagegeddon...
Loved it in blood vs water because it brought back one of my favorite players Tina
Christine Shields-Markoski's challenge run is the ONLY good thing to come from Redemption Island.
I agree! She should comeback on a Second Chances season!
Robbed by Ozzy's stupidity
I’m surprised Kaoh Rong’s Jury Removal wasn’t mentioned. It seemed like such a cheap way to:
A: Add more unneeded time into the finale
B: Not undergo the traditional rule that happened in Cagayan and Micronesia to introduce an F2
C: Lower the odds of a Michele win, something Jeff has been outspokenly negative about, knowing production would be pretty clued that Fitz was coming in with a jury favouring her.
D: Really just feels like a “fuck you” to whatever jury member who could’be played as far as 37 days and not even get to spectate the events of Day 39.
E: Really just break the idea of how Judgement matters on Survivor.
Maybe there’s something going on about the idea of a Jury removal if they did something similar to BBCAN3 where the F3 unanimously decided on removing a jury member, but without a doubt, Jury Removal felt like such a dud and a real misstep in a great season.
The super idol from Koah Rong was dumb. The only exciting part of it was the fact it WASNT used!
In the latest season of Australian Survivor Russell Hantz was on one of the tribes. He got voted out at their first tribal council...veterans don't always reach the end.
Redemption was good though I actually enjoyed all of that
Don't know if this is a twist or not, but the default tiebreakers on a couple of seasons of survivor; particularly Paschal and the drawing of rocks on Survivor Marquesas. Possibly worse was the idea that if the tribe did not come to a consensus, the two players voted on would become safe from the vote.
Honestly! Especially in Millenials Vs Gen-X where they had to draw rocks for Zeke and Hannah and in the end JESSICA ended up going home after telling everybody they shouldn’t draw rocks :( I felt so bad for her she didn’t deserve that! I felt like they should’ve made Zeke and Hannah do the fire challenge
It’s to motivate players flipping and punishing the others for failing to come to a decision
If their is no penalty for deadlocking a vote then we’d see 2 player rock draws at least twice a season which just isn’t interesting
I really like Redemption Island! :) It is interesting and gives the second chance and changes the dynamics of the game - like Ozzy's elimination. I don't like those twists with votes. I think they are unfair, because thei make contestanst unequal. I don't like Outcasts and stupid deleyed merge - but mostly because we lost Shi-Ann, maybe if someone else would be eliminated I would be happy.
But the WORST of all is Jury Removal. It takes away only thing that should be certain. Merge may be sooner or later, you may go home becaue of the idol. Tat is ok and in "new school" everyone expects that. But jury should be a safe place. Not to mention that we lost good players: Neal and Tessa from Australian Survivor. And guy in glasses in BB Australia... But I don't really enjoy BB. And what if they eliminadet f.e Cidney? She made it day 38, was just barely eliminated by fire making and now is gone? Veeery unfair.
Fire making from HvHvH is stupid and I prefere normal vote, but I hate Devin so I am glad he was eliminated. But I felt the whole season was made for Ben to win xD
The two sort-of twists that I didn't like were both involved in screwing over Cirie. The first was the sudden switch back to a Final Two in Micronesia, which completely screwed over her game. Had that been established earlier on, she would've strategized differently since there was no way Amanda or Parvati would've taken her to the end or that she could've beaten them for Final Immunity. The second was in Game Changers where she was eliminated by default after all of the ridiculous advantages converged at once. Since she received no votes in that Tribal, I think she should've been the ONLY one to vote since the first round of voting essentially amounted to no eligible votes being cast. Yes I am a big Cirie fan, but objectively it kinda sucks that she keeps getting screwed by the producers.
The Africa twist where three people from one tribe swapped to the other tribe was so dumb and screwed so many people.
WORST TWIST OF ALL TIME
Day 1 First impressions vote (S27 Blood vs Water)
First there was LITERALLY NO TIME to interact (social game) and there was NO CHANCE to make yourself IMMUNE! At least both of those were covered in Palau as brutal as that was (#2 worst) it paled in comparison to this. Socializing is the name of the game so taking that away was soooo unfair (even by survivor standards) and NEVER should somebody be able to be voted off without any fighting chance to get immunity (aka 0 immune players in the entire game). This was not only anti survivor but DOUBLE ANTI SURVIVOR!!
If Redemption island is your #1......I can only imagine your thoughts on edge of extinction.....
Not necessarily a twist, but an injustice..."The Purple Rock" during the final 4 of Marquesas
Malcolm is the best I am soo annoyed about that twist that voted him out.
8:30 I’m believing for Big Brother you’re talking about Nichole
4:26 literally the worst twice ever.
I'm here. I loved redemption Island. Wish it was a permanent thing.
Jonathan and Wanda should get to be in their own season as the only two veterans, they’re basically newbies.
This Is Gonna Sound So Basic But Michelle From BBB “Fire A Jury Member” Honestly Just Sucked, Like They Have No Shot To Win The Million Dollars, And They’ve Been Watching All The Game Play, And The One Thing They Were GUARANTEED If They Got Voted Out After A Certain Point Was Taken Because She (Michelle) Knew Neal Would’ve Been Rooting For Aubrey All The Way
Worst twist ever is the Final Four HHH twist
That twist felt like it was setup for Ben to advance into the FTC.
@@TheMadStork83 EXACTLY!!!
Can you do top 5 episodes to introduce my friends into survivor?
Ooooh top 5 episodes?! Or do you mean seasons?
I mean season, oops
I’m not as negative about Redemption Island (the twist). I think there are real benefits to it other than your standard vote out.
For example, a lot of great drama has come out of Redemption Island than most the banter you see from Tribal Council. People are more open to let out their mind and this goes towards the people living in RI and the people playing. Several moments it has added great Cross-Tribe drama and at least some strategic moves between the tribes.
On the TV standpoint,it makes for much more satisfying exits. Something that standard Survivor rules can’t change is the abruptness of when someone is voted out and they only have a few words to say their peace and that’s it. Redemption Island exits feel more “complete” per se. And I think moments such as either Russell exit or Laura M’s, exit feels more fleshed out rather than seeing someone like Ali grab her torch, look shocked and then leave council.We’ve seen a great strategic risk in it as well.
One of my favourite moves in Survivor is seeing Savaii vote out Ozzy, in order to eliminate Christine and return to the game. It threw an added layer of strategy and posed one of the biggest risk in Survivor by going into Survivor’s version of Purgatory and to return with an added benefit. It worked well.
The time argument also really doesn’t make sense to me either because for years, we’ve had to settle with Reward challenges, which more often than not, add no effect to the show and are basically the ultimate filler time. Especially in the pre-merge. I’d rather watch an RI comp than a reward comp since there’s at least genuine pressure when a Redemption Island competition is played.
Peridiam you should do a video on the top 5 survivor seasons or top 5 WORST survivor seasons
Great video! I personally hated Yul's super powerful immunity idol that could be played after the votes are read. Way to effective, basically guarantees you're never going home. Producers never brought it back till Cagayan where it was bad as well.
I feel like I’m one of the only people who actually liked the outcast and redemption island twist
Fans vs Faves wasn't a bad twist, they were actually evenly matched in the challenges and didn't get decimated like you'd think.
You might as well make an updated video and add Edge of Extinction to it since somebody who was the third voted out actually won the game because of that twist, making nearly 10 episodes of the season completely irrelevant.
They need to bring the Outcast Twist back for Ghost Island
I now know that I am one of ten people who actually liked EoE
have u ever seen BBCAN? If you have you should DEF make some videos on it.
I have!
yes king. cant wait to see future videos on it.
Μαρια Γκοτζαμαρλη oh god they have gone crazy with the twists on that show. Let's vote three people out remember that God thought that was dum.
@@ryans413 Thank gosh they got rid of the Triple Eviction in Season 7. Season 7 may not have been very great TV, and it has it's own awful twist (The Inaffectivene-I mean Blood Veto). The secret assassin twist at least showed how good a certain player (won't spoil it, but he's one of my favourite players in the season) was, 'cause he was able to recover from that eviction
Air tempest Stop watching BBCAN after season 4 and to be honest season wasn’t bad don’t know about the others kinda stopped watching 3 I hated 2 wasn’t bad and season 1 was good
11:01 you said russel instead of rupert
My mom says Redemption Island was the best season ever because of the twist. I hated that season because it was a pagonging and the twist was poorly thought out.
I think Larissa should have kept it up instead.
Juror Removal is the worst twist hands down
I’m still waiting for the Idol Nullifier Nullifier
Dude not everyone has watched every single episode of every single season ever, so you could have explained each twist better rather than just naming it and the season.
Redemption Island is essential in a Blood Vs Water season, because all of those family relationships are so vital to the season, it's such a pay off to give them that extra airtime when the tribe's dirty laundry is aired out in front of everyone.
BvW2 really suffered because of the removal of this twist. I remember Jeff saying he knew RI was really unpopular so that's why it was removed, but I think it's needed on BvW seasons, it works so well.
Also, Laura Morett's S27 challenge run was legendary, and only added to the drama and tension of the season. Imagine this never happening if RI hadn't have been used, that would have been sad, plus Ciera would never have been able to vote her Mom out and that's an alternate universe I don't want to live in. #BRINGBACKRIONBVW
sarahott SJDS was fine without the RI twist, the post merge was entertaining and amazing. I prefer it over Blood vs Water because Blood vs Water gets really boring at the merge and Tyson winning as a character sucks.
"SJDs suffered because of the removal of this twists"
I know way too many people who like Nat A as a winner way too much to validate this opinion tbh
@@brycerichardson3687 What has Natalie Anderson got to do with the discussion between Redemption Island Vs. Exile Island, which is what RI was replaced with last minute in S29? She's not even a good player, first boot in S40 and The Amazing Race S24, that's embarrassing!
@@sarahott I mean she won SJDS, she isn't bad. And I mean, of course she's going to have something to do with it when you bring her wining season up as something that suffered. A lot of people really like SJDS and it's cast and didn't feel a need for RI on it.
Mike White of DvG convinced Jeff not to put it on
The worst twist ever is the final 4 fire making from HvHvH and Ghost Island.
It's only a bad twist if the players don't know it going into the show..so the one with ben was bad but the one with Wendel was fine
I think it’s permanent, so you can’t even call it a twist anymore
It was only bad with Ben but in the other 2 seasons it was fine.
Dis why we need to just have 2 idols the whole season and no other twists. I just want so classic survivor gosh dammit
Shiidevil was definitely a ROBBED GODDESS
I actually don't mind Redemption Island. I'm new to Survivor and BvW was one of the first seasons I watched and I liked RI a lot.
CrimsonStang hey man you like it you like it honestly I think RI only works for Blood Vs Water
Freaking edge of extinction is the worst shit
WTH, i love redemption island! ):
Season 41 is trotting out no end of candidates for Bad Twists. 😒
I mean the knowledge is power is cool but the rest were meh except for the hourglass which had some potential but flopped.
The one who brought some of these "twist" should be left on an island full of crocodiles and surrounded by sharks and never be remembered.
I love redemption island ☺️
I would've just added the super idol of Panama & Cook Islands which undeniably shaped both seasons in ways that seemed unnatural and annoying. Also, I really hate the emergence of a new hidden immunity idol after one is played or leaves with the player. As proven with Ben & HHH, having this advantage is a complete reroute of the original social and manipulative game. I think there should only be an idol at each original tribe and one post-merge. These 2 twists imo are much more egregious than FvF or the Outcasts.
It is nice to see a fellow Survivor fan from Poland :) Too bad our version, let's be honest, sucked so bad...
I think idols should get rehideen a round later
So if an idol is played at F8 then an idol comes back into play at final 6
The only time redemption island works is blood vs water
By the way: I love Survivor and I love the fact that you are making such a great videos.
#BringBackMichelleYi
The twist in Fans vs. Favorites from final 3 to a final 2
Then also the immunity train in game changers
Both happen to impact Cirie Fields (UNFORTUNATELY)!!! Has anyone else noticed that she has never been eliminated from the game properly, it always took some type of twist (fire making challenge, immunity idol/idols, and the twist from final 3 to 2).
Adam Willard omg, you notice that too. Yup, poor cirie. She play under radar most of the time
Fire making challenge isn't really a twist though, but yeah, Cirie deserved better, especially in Game Changers where she did not receive A SINGLE VOTE
Never been eliminated "properly"? An elimination is an elimination. She was outplayed every time.
I have never understood why is Medallion of Power a terrible twist.
If anything it actually had a slight net positive effect on the season since it all but ensured that La Flor (the clearly more entertaining tribe) would go to at least one tribal council
Mike Bloom helped me find your channel and I'm so glad he did.
I know this may seem controversial but the Fiji merge twist is actually my favourite one off twist the show has ever done. I think to be upset that it got Michelle Yi kicked off is being results oriented. I think you put this in a lot of situations it works out. For example, lets say that it was put in during Redemption Island. Instead of Rob pagonging everyone, he would have faced a situation where he had to work with the other side or have to face that a moment in the game was out of his control which would have made that season better. I think the way it went down in Fiji was bad, but I think if done more times it comes out more good than bad.
i actually love redemption islands it’s one of my favorites