Awesome video mate. I got ptsd and anxiety so for me archery is meditation and relaxation. Ive in a bow club and loaning gear now. But am out of work so cant afford my own gear i dream of having a good recurve bow and target so i can shoot everyday would help me a lot both with the ptsd/anxiety and getting in better shape.
Greg your previous video on how to find your gaps and this one explaining split vision should be a must study for any aspiring trad archer !!! Many years ago when I got started and was struggling an "Old Timer" that everyone else ignored befriended me and passed on literally the same info and advice that you have in your videos !! It was a total game changer in a matter of a few days for me and something I refer back to with any bow and arrow change I make to this day !!! Great work Greg !!!
Hello. Recently I switched from FITA- on traditional archery and was despair: I hit absolutely nothing, constantly flashed me with the tendon on the arm, the fun had lost at archery - which would not be good in my case, but to you'd have to know my story, but that is not now. We had now where I live one week of rain and i enough time to view your video series to GAP shoot accurately. My English is very bad and I let your videos to Part 5 times back and forth running, to understand everything. I was after the continuous rain finally back on the sports field and was the "learned" implement of you - and I'm just thrilled! No on the arm shoot more arrows go right into the goal! I could have screamed with joy! Many, many thanks that you shared this incredibly great video and I learned how to do it right !! Best wishes and 1 Million Thank Gustl.
I have copped a lot of flack over the years for how I was taught to shoot by my grandfather over 50 years ago. I've only recently seen it described as fixed crawl, basically consisting of a fixed point on the string, about 30 yards in my case, shooting 3 under much like string walking but sort of gap shooting from that fixed point. I've found it to be as fast as instinctive and as accurate as string walking out to about 50 yards. There's a video by a young bloke named Matt Zirnsak I think, called The Push that explains it better than I've ever been able to. I've tried so many styles over the years, as you do when you're experimenting, but always come back to it as my preference.
From Canada Ontario, been shooting for 40 years. Owner of Kawartha Traditional Archery Center been going at it for 10 years and Walker's Traditional Archery much longer. Very nice informative videos thankyou. Trad needs so much support up here. My place at KTAC has lessons, rental 3D and field ranges and shop. Checking out all your videos thank you.
It's good to see a left handed - experienced archer sharing background information on different shooting styles. Many lefties have gone through similar experiences as you did. Many will benefit from what you have to share here on UA-cam and I'm looking forward to more of your videos.
Triditional Archery : from scientific shooting to bow wielding wizard. Truth be told, that split vision and stringwalking are just mind blowing. Great content.
hello. the hater are the jealous Archers who think they know it all. no one knows it all. were all learning as we go. we never stop learning that's what makes us humans..i love your channel
Great description of those methods. Having an open mind to change is rare in some people. Expand on the experience, it's fun and educational. Great job again.
Great job on the video! I would dare to say that most "Instinctive" archers are split vision shooters. I myself feel I fall into that category. It's when I try to focus on just the target or try to aim with point/ gap is when my shooting sufferers. I shoot my best when I focus on the target, have the arrow blurred in my peripheral vision, come to anchor and release when "it feels right".
what I found interesting and refreshing was, you don't make many cuts, you can really talk through 1 (sub-)subject altogether in one go, no in between cuts ;-). That's a good job, few people can do that. Apart from that, I came here with zero knwoledge of bows and still understood what you are saying, so, really well done ^^.
another great video man. I learned a few new things. one thing I love about archery is its whatever feels good for you no matter what anybody says. I think its funny when people get mad at you for what you want to share. archery is an individual thing but it's something that we can all learn from everybody if that makes sense does to me. great video keep them coming
Hi Greg! Looking on your older videos time to time, they are really excellent learning. Im on my 10th year with Archery, so Im very hungry to learn, whatever that's comes up. Im a right hand shooter, but my left eye is my dominant eye, bought a left hand bow, but I realize that I will be back on zero to start shooting with that, and Im to old to switch over.(68 year old) So when I shoot like a Right hand shooter, I close my left eye, and let the right eye do the job, and that works well. Ive been an instinctive shooter for 9 years, the last year of my 9 years, I did the split vision, and the last 6 months, I practice the Gap shooting , and I must say I had been more safe in my shootings, the target panic is gone, I feel a lot more confident, while entering a new target, during a completion, So like you say all three metods works very good together, at times is melting in together more and more. Seen your newer videos as well, hope you continue that, I and many more needs to learn more. Im a Longbow shooter, and love it, Im learning more and more every day. I was no eleven in the last big competition, together with the Swedish Elite shooters,( in Longbows) that compete in the European competitions etc, and my last competition I was no 3, but I know I can do much better if I keep the focus, and do what I have learn to do, but a competition is always a competition, with pressure, nervs etc, even if you think you are relaxed, and calm, there is always a different feeling, than shooting alone in your backyard. My bow is a bit too strong 45lbs, can't hold the draw as long as I want to do, so now Im awaiting a new bow from the US, that's 40lbs, I guess that will improve my shooting a lot. Thanks again Greg for your videos.
Good info as always. I finally got everything to start shooting thanks to your recommendation on arrow shafts for my Colt. Thanks to you for all your great videos. Honestly your the only person I commented on there video that responded, thanks. Looking forward to shooting soon my new hobbies.
Good discussion. Nice enthusiasm. I suspect we all teach our nervous systems by using the gaps we see until we develop accuracy providing our form dose not deviate shot to shot. (Which is why we should develop consistent form before we can develop consistent accuracy). After we start hitting spot on at a given distance we probably fall by nature and self trust into what you called split vision and that perverts into what we like to call instinctive because we can't explain to anybody how it happens , our nervous systems are so well conditioned with repetition that it just knows. Indeed if we are in a live fire situation with a game animal and we lose confidence and try to think it out our brain will override our well trained nervous system and we'll surely goof it up. Thanks again for you input . Nice video.
Great segment. You really educated me on this, of the years playing with mostly only two types, gap and instinctive never thought about them being similar. Thanks
I completely agree with you on gapping and instinctive shooting being the same thing. It's just shooting an arrow! The way people explain their shooting has a certain emphasis on concentrating on either the Target or the arrow. However, both the Target and the arrow are in the visual plane on each shot and it's the archers mind interpreting what they want to focus on. I think it's important to experiment with focus and I've found out that in certain days I shoot better gapping than I would instinctive and vice versa. I typically Gap shoot but if I'm struggling with that an instinctive focus can pull me out of that funk. The shot cycle topically speeds up when I shoot instinctively and makes me feel like I get on Target quicker. When I Gap feels like I hover over the Target longer because it is a little harder to find looking at the arrow.
Another very helpful video. After going through your Shot Cycle series, these more focused videos on the topics are adding more specificity to my notes. I have a literal web chart of my shit cycle now, which I am slowly learning to unconsciously micro-manage. Takes a little effort but once a part is in the muscle memory, it makes it all worthwhile.
Good video, thanks. Shot a little when I was young and then again in the 40's. Now 60 and about to retire and getting to the local range when I can. I hope to have lost more time starting Jan 1, 2022 and would love to do a league next year. I started doing string walking a few months ago after a few tips from a nice gent shooting next to me but I am just not consistent enough at the moment. Will for sure give this video some thought my next time shooting.
Great video! Awesome and to the point. I've built my take down bow & arrows by viewing UA-cam and everything I know about archery I learned on UA-cam. I Struggle trying to be consistant with my shot placement and found making marks as reference points on my bow helps to line up the shot when determining appropriate elevation for my arrow to reach it's mark. I am still trying to decide which aiming method works best for me. Thanks for the info.
I’ve been watching for awhile and you are very easy to listen too also your a great teacher of mind vision!!! People like me learn faster and understand better that way. Thank you Dan Oh I’m a vision shooter too. I didn’t know I was until today!! Lol
SeedfulMusic because their reputation isn’t on the line on the internet. Nobody knows who’s commenting the first and last name of the person. So their true self can come out on the internet. Especially Americans I would say the majority of Americans are secretly crazy from the stuff I see go on.
SeedfulMusic You comment sucks, I've been using archery equipment starting in 1960. That comment about shooting cats will get you an arrow in your ass on my property.🎯
Spot on Gary, Myself have added "Split Vision" to my shooting, and that works fine with Longbow, and split fingers.( I always been an instinktive archer. Gap is more about knowing the distance, and stringwalking is not allowed on Competition with Longbow.
Thank you for your clear explanation and taking the time to make all these video's ! I just started archery and I really appreciate your explanations about all issues involved. They are a big help and I enjoy watching them. Subscribed ! :)
Loving your channel (and presentation style)! So I am a Field archer(in the UK) and have always shot split finger gap; I'm no spring chicken, so to ease my ageing bones I use a fairly light bow ( around 35#). With split finger, my point-on distance is around 35 yards. The problem is that at closer targets (up to around 20yards or so) I have to use a big gap, around 24 inches. I can reduce this drastically by shooting 3 under, but then I can't reach the 40 + yard targets without aiming at the birds in flight! Also, a bit weirdly, my point on with 3 under and index finger touching the arrow seems to be about 15 yards, so string walking would only be useful if I was trying to shoot at something at 10 yards or less. What I can't figure out is why moving from split finger to three under makes such a huge difference to my point-on: after all, the difference in terms of string position is only the width of the forefinger plus the arrow and nocking point. Who would have thought that a bendy stick and string could initiate such mysteries! Can you offer any elucidation ?
It is not the distance change that is important it is the change in angle that you see that is. That little bit closer to the eye makes a huge difference.
I shoot split vision but when I struggle I have to go back to instinctive or gap to recalibrate. Some days are great while others I struggle. Uncle Ted's advice of becoming one with the arrow is a good thought.
Good video, Greg. I like your style! I am a "pure" lefty, left eye dominant and all, and I am always fascinated by the different combinations of "handedness" that are possible in people and our learning potential. So often influenced by picking up a big brother's bow or guitar or golf clubs, right? Very impressed by the ability to switch due to injury!
I loved what you said about the methods of aiming it when about to shoot at the target. I just received my new bow and have ordered some items I will need to use it. The next thing I have to do today is get some arrows locally along with the gloves I need to shoot it as soon as possible.
Great job on the explanation of how to aim in traditional archery ive never herd of these methods till i watched your video ..ive never realy tryed shootin with both my eyes open and also i guess you could say ive been aimin more towards spot on style shootin so next time i go out iam deffanatly gunna give these aiming styles a try..right now iam shootin and aquired an ol Ben pearson colt 7070.recurve bow with about a 37lb pull at a 28inch draw so this aught to be fun..thanks for the tips ..Mark B from IL .
I'm a string walker. I crawl up and down the string from the nock/arrow. I place the point of my arrow smack dab on top of the bullseye. The closer to the target I am, the farther down from the nock I am. I ancher on my cheek bone and use a Yost tab.
Not how I shoot, but a lot of guys have a lot of success shooting that way. IMHO, If your putting arrows on target consistently, its hard for me to say that your method is wrong.
This might be helpful for some folks. I'm right handed but shoot left handed because my vision is not great in my right eye. I don't use any of these methods because my depth perception isn't perfect.. I started gauging distance by a mark on my riser that is set at 30 yards. It allows me to be very accurate at all times. By raising the mark a little above or below the target I'm spot on. Can't tell you the number of knocks I've sheared off.
Very informative video. I make my own arrows and shoot 3 under and split finger and instinctive shooting. But am definitely going to try string walking. Thanks again
Hello! I found this very interesting. I literally know zero about archery, but find the sport fascinating. I live in rural West Cork, Ireland and have no idea of the legality of owning archery equipment (there are certainly no clubs within at least 3 hours drive from me), but with all the vast space and forestry around me, need to investigate if I would be breaking any laws if I bought equipment.
Hey Greg! Good video, you covered it well I think. On 'Point of Aim': I used this with my kids when they were first learning. I did it with a label attached onto the belly of the bow above the arrow rest. It was a series of horizontal colored stripes to aid then in learning how high to hold the bow arm for the distance they were shooting. It worked very well in teaching them. They could reference the stripes while concentrating on the target. I did not use it for gap training as I had never heard of gapping at that time. On split vision, what about painting the tip or point in an optic color to make it easier to see?
Ive never learned how to use sights on a bow and honestly I'm kind of proud of it because no one else I personally know can hit the broadside of a barn let a lone a target without their trusty sights. I use split vision and just kind of developed the ability to do so over time completely by accident because when I started I would keep going back and forth between gap and instinctive between shots then I just pretty much gave up on actually trying to hit the target and eventually I just got proficient at hitting the target. I don't really focus on any one thing and is almost like a 6th sense knowing when to release your arrow but not quite another 6th Sense kind of thing. Something you have to figure out on your own really
just found your site. Its great. I learned by myself and use siting down the arrow to check left/right . Then i have a mark on my riser for distance that i guess works sort of like gap shooting, but it works well for me. However to be precise after 20 yards out i need to know the distance. Hunting this way i would never shopt at anything over 20 yards away. No idea what kind of aiming this would be called. It is fast though.
Other than instinctive aiming the most important skill by far is range determination/estimation because with Gap and String Waling it's based on knowing how far the target is. Because in order to determine how far up and down the string you need to draw at you need to know the distance. Unless your at a competition where the distances are know to you.
Thank you for your reply, I'm still trying to figure this out, not sure if I should try this CRAWL or just GAP.. I've been just looking and trying to shoot instinctive, but my consistency is really lacking beyond 15 yards.. really bad... Thanks again for your advice.. I'll keep you posted on my progress, it will be slow do to work n other responsibilities, but I'll get it done!! Thank you!!!
Rodney, When deciding on which method to use, you need to know a few things. 1) What is it that you want to do? (Hunt, competition, etc) 2) one you got that, then you have to ask, which method will best fit that 3) The final question would be "How accurate do I want to be" Another option is Split Vision, it is a combination of GAP and instinctive. I use that the majority of the time, but when I need to make a good shot, I use GAP.
Im primarily interested in hunting, but I do enjoy target. I shoot target 300 and 3D for practice..there are no ranges in my area..I just finished shooting in between doctor appointments, arrows definitely need tuned, and learning the sight Picture is a new experience.. plus would help when I can actually CONCENTRATE and not be rushed between appointments..I really appreciate your time and advise!!!
Thanks for informative summary! How do "traditional" archers compete? Are there standard distances, target sizes, etc.? I'm particularly interested in traditional Asian-style archery.
Nothing standard, all are very different from each other. Asia is huge with many cultures and different bow. I take it you mean the horse bow. For that, there is Korean, Chinese, Mongol and Turk. All are very different. Then there is horse archery done form a horse and no two groups are alike.
Another less common method I've heard of is "face-walking" that has a few different anchor points depending on 10, 20, 30, 40 yards for example, and the arrow point is positioned on the intended target spot in each case. I can be combined with the gap method for in-between distances for a fine adjustment.
There are 3 basic methods of archery aiming - instinctive, soft sights, and hard sights. Instinctive - only looking at and concentrating on the target, that's it, nothing else is focused on or utilized, distances and arrow trajectory are learned via repetition and related to setting the bow arm angle. Soft sights - using any manner of point of reference between the arrow and the target, typically using some part of the arrow or bow or bowstring for gap or point of aim, and typically where target distances are known, but if distances are unknown then that will add in a guesstimate measure of instinctive aiming; most archers who claim to be instinctive shooters are actually soft sight shooters; string walkers are absolutely soft sight shooters. Hard sights - literally an actual bow sight that's calibrated for known distances, this is very exacting aiming; if the distances are unknown then that will add in a guesstimate measure of instinctive aiming. That's it, take yer pick.
Just a quick thought. I see the difference between gap/ string walking and instinctive, but you must realize that to use instinctive (which I do) you still must focus on the target before you go through your shot cycle.
@@TradArchery101 I must admit that I jumped the gun a bit and didn't fully watch the video. I did continue to watch and realized that your continued statements did fall into line and make sense so I do apologize. I am an avid fan of yours. I have been shooting a Jerry Hill wildcat 60lb longbow for quite some time now. My father in law got me into shooting and showed me how, but your series on the shot cycle was not only correct but the finer points of each has taught me a lot. The most important point I have learned is how to keep the shoulder not only down but in. I have had many discussions with my father in law about what you teach and have even watched your videos with him. I appreciate all that you do for every level of archer out there. Keep up the great work. Thank you
I am currently experimenting with the "eastern way": I load the arrow to the side where my drawing hand is, and a little after release, I flick my bow stave holding hand's wrist to remove the bow stave from the way of the arrow, thus reducing archer's paradox. This is how Japanese and Mongolian traditional archers shoot.
Sorry, but you cannot reduce the Archer's Paradox. It is either there or it is not. The flexing of the arrow is not the paradox. The paradox is that it seems that when at brace height, that in order to hit the target it "Appears" to the archer , that the arrow much pass through the riser.
thanks buddy , im starting archery this saturday .. no idea what method they are going to be teaching me i have one bad eye thats slightly blurred vision but can still see very very well split vision would help me out thank you for the tips you have earned a subscriber! , could i ask a favour ? could you make a video on how to put a recurve bow together for when i first buy one , it would make a lot of difference instead of looking at it like a puzzle!! lol thanks again buddy !
Man I gotta ALOT of work to do! You did answer an important question, I can't string walk with my old Bear Kodiak Hunter, question, is a FIXED CRAWL too stressful on these limbs also? Thank you
hey when i watch traditional archers in my country (we shoot bows without shelfs and bla bla) most of them shoots instinctive and i started with aiming with arrow but i changed instinctive, i think a aiming with arrow is harder with bow without shelf, do you agree with me?
Yes and no. Really depends like anything else on experience. I have an extensive shooting background. In rifles (without adjustable sights) we used what we called "Kentucky Windage", which is similar to GAP. So it was easy for me to do that with a bow. Even without a shelf. Some, or should I say many, cannot get use to that sight picture.
Robin Hood You are correct. I have been shooting longbows starting in 1960. A bow without a shelf is the old way. Yes I have recurve, compound and Ten Point crossbow with scope. All my fun bows and target shooting is with stick bow. If I could only have just one bow, it would be a longbow🎯 Look up the word; TOXOPHILITE.🎯
My son and I just picked up the bow for the first time one week ago. Which method do you recommend for us? I am shooting for fun but he is planning to shoot for his school. They use the Genesis bow. Thank you. Good video.
What you should do is what i did. I have I.F.A.A target for 20-35 feet that have 4 targets. I copy one of them at 50% and now i can shoot in realy close and the target is not too big. It is just right amount dificulty.
🐺 Once again a great video thanks for sharing brother . I'm shooting a 58 inch recurve that has a 45 lb draw weight my draw is 28 and I shoot three under using split vision now on my aiming I have to aim my arrow to the right of the target in order to hit dead center of the target at 10 & 20 yards I aim at the right edge of the target to hit center and at 25 & 30 yards I have to aim about 1/2 to 1 inch to the right of the target to hit center now my question is am I doing something wrong or is that the way you suppose to aim I've been shooting compound bows and cross bows all I ever had to do is put my pin on center of the target to hit center with my compound bow and my cross bow I put the scope cross hair on the center to hit center. But the recurve bow I can't aim the center I've asked this question on other videos and never got a answer so I'll reckon the folks that made their how to aim video is like me just don't know either. Brother any information that you could give that will help me I would be much obliged I only had my recurve for about a month now I hate to admit it but I'm about ready to give up on it I do enjoy shooting these types of bows but I just get so mad at my self because I know I'm bound to be doing something wrong but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Anyway like I said thanks for sharing this great video stay safe and God bless brother. 🇺🇲🦅
You are not doing anything wrong. Several things can cause this, your anchor is one. The other is too heavier of a spine. Some things you can try: 1) Adding material to the side plate to move the arrow over. 2) Move the anchor so the arrow is closer to being under your eye. Just look at Barebow archers to see what I mean. I anchor offline and have the same issue on certain bows. 3) Try a "weaker" spined arrow. Did you bareshaft tune it? How did they fly? Did you still have to aim off to theside?
I really enjoy your content I'm struggling being right handed but blind in my right eye so I'm shooting lefty ok but I'm struggling finding a set method of shooting style but anyway I like your videos thanks
Hi Greg, great video. Can you shoot GAP as left handed whit right eye dominance? Its my case, and im not sure its posible. Im shooting instinctive left handed, and i want to start doing GAP. thanks!
When I shoot instinctive vs gap, my sight picture is completely different because I have different anchor points for each style. Also, I shoot very quickly when shooting instinctive so I never really notice anything but my target
great info there greg. in one of your previous videos you mentioned something about stereogram. would that be for split or intuitive shooting? Secondly when shooting long range intuitive or split does it help to lower your anchor point for a further trajectory? thanks
+marnix786 The Stereogram is more for instinctive, it seems (to me) to allow my mind to relax and see more. I shoot really well when I do that. I have used it in GAP, but it is hard to see the arrow. Changing your anchor with change your sight picture. I like to keep as much the same ass possible. My long range shooting has made leaps and bounds because of GAP.
Hi Greg how can I get the left right adjustment I want my gap right under the X, but my arrows will hit more left. Do I have to put the string blur right on the arrow ? But then I have to move my head
That is not easy. It really is dependent on your set up. Are your arrows "tuned" to your bow? The trick (and it is not easy) is to get the arrow to hit where you are looking. You do this by playing with the height of the Nock on the string, Thickness of the strike plate and arrow spine for left / right adjustments. How far over are you?
Archery 101 thx Greg. So my arrows are not tuned. I have got a right handed take down bow with 40 lbs and 400 spine 32 inch arrows ( Standard from gold tip spine chart) 100 grain tip. I shoot from an arrow rest without button or clicker. I also use the bone on bone technique from Arne and anchor under the cheekbone and the fixed crawl for closer distances. When I crawl the alignment of the string is much better and arrows will hit the center but for my normal shot the string blur is to the right and I am hitting left (height is perfect on target). I always try to compensate by moving my head forward into the string but that brings a lot of inconsistency into my shot but then the arrow will fly into the middle (sometimes). I don’t cant, tilt the bow maybe that’s a problem ? I really hate to have my gaps under + right to the point where I want to hit than it’s way to hard to find the correct gaps.
@@striple6752 What is your bow? 400's are usually a bit too stiff for a 40 pound bow. You can always play with point weight to see what happens, but ..... From what your wrote, it seems that your sight picture is different (String Blur being in different places). This could very well be the cause. Canting does not help or hurt. Try it and see how it feels for you.
Archery 101 I have got a wooden, phenolic carbon ilf riser with medium uukha tuulai carbon ilf limbs 40# 28‘‘ with a 28,5‘‘ draw. I shoot from a metal arrowrest without button. My arrows are 32‘‘ long for smaller gaps. Thx Greg I will try a heavier tip
"...all the same..." I was just thinking about how this is true in a sense when I was claiming to my wife, while about to release an arrow (instinctively), that I was, "Not aiming". I realized that, in a sense, I still was aiming, but what I was calling "experience and muscle memory" is actually just a more complex, almost ambiguous set of references but that are all working subconsciously, even when we throw a bean bag in a game of corn hole O.O Plus, now with you,, I'm seeing my instinctive has elements of gap, even though I'm "feeling more than aiming". I guess it's literally instinctive since I do look at the X, never the tip (unless I want to take out a piece of rose trellis). Definitely learned, hehe, just long ago. Wait... no... according to this I'm doing split vision because I concentrate on the X but "use" the tip without a doubt...!
Is there a tutorial about switching from split finger to three under in regards to bow setup? I'm trying out three under for the first time and when I do everything I did that worked for split it just sends the arrow down and to the right. Would very much like to see three under work.
@@TradArchery101 UPDATE---- Good news!, it's working great and a heck of alot more consistent and accurate than split finger I find. The only oddity I could find was I have better accuracy with 3U when I turn my draw hand counterclockwise (right handed) or else all my shots land to the right.
Philosophically aiming is ether conscious or subconscious so the best choice should be the one that is the most accurate. If you shoot better using conscious aiming but want to be the one who shoots subconsciously you had to make a conscious decision to shoot that way.
Love watching your video. I took up archery pretty late at the age of 48...with no specialist to train me, my archery was based more on instinctive but I have a small problem in my style of aiming. I aim like I am aiming a gun as I am into target shooting for many long years. I dont have a typical fixed anchor point and I look down the shaft of the arrow like that I do with a gun. Sometime my shots become pretty inconsistent. Can you do a video on anchor point and form and stance in archery? Any advice for me?
I’m wondering if maybe you’re left handed, but right eye dominant. That’s actually pretty common with people who are left handed, they have to shoot right handed anyway because off their eyes.
I would encourage you to read up on the “Dominant Eye”. Studies have proven that it can and does switch sides. You can see these studies online. Jake Kaminski, has a video on the subject and he was told at the Olympic training center, medical professionals that the dominant eye is not nearly as important as your “aiming eye” and that they are different.
Gap shooting could work for you, (I use a take down recurve barebow and just found out I've been doing this aiming all wrong for years, but the way I've done it could help you). From what I've seen, normally, right handers line the target up with the arrow in a straight line under their right eye and place the blurry image of the string on the riser. The arrow tip is under/above the target and they adjust for height. If you're only able to use your left, then practice adjusting for horizontal gap as well. The further away you are, the wider the horizontal gap. Use an extra one of those white aiming pins next to the target, shoot a set while placing your arrow tip on the same spot every time. Look at your groupings, then move the aiming pin to a better position and try again. (if anyone sees anything wrong with my comment, please help out)
Hate mail? Over WHAT?!? This is insane. However, I still think spot on is not a bad way to aim when it comes to barebow archery. It's just mathematics and geometry, so it depends on distance, weight of the arrow, grains of the tip and poundage of the bow. Here's an example grain of tip staying the same at 100. : When I shoot my 48 pound bow at 20 yards, my aim is 90 degrees and tip of the arrow is spot on the center of the target . It works great with 500 spine arrows which weigh between 24 and 28 grams. Arrows between 20 and 24 grams, I find need to be aimed slightly lower than centre of the target as they do tend to have a bit of lift. Of course, same set up with 30 yards, - suddenly I need to aim 95-100 degrees, or slightly above the centre. But again, - use a lighter arrow of about 18 grams, - and you're aiming spot on again. There is a tiny bit of a difference whether you're using a fall away arrow rest, or just a standard pin type, but they're not that significant as the rest of variables. Still the point it, as long as my aim is steady - it works perfectly
Very good video. I am aiming for the split vision (pun intended). I read about it in Hunting the Hard Way by Howard Hill, that it was his way of aiming. Howard Hill, also says in his book that he was only good enough to hunt with longbow. That Recurve bows were not forgiving enough. I am not sure what he meant by that? Could you make a video about that subject. What did he mean? The Book is from 1953. Is it still true ?
I have his booklet "How I shoot a bow" in it he mentions that but does not elaborate on it. I see no difference in them. I can shoot either equally poor.
@@TradArchery101 But I do not understand how he reasons why longbow would be more forgiving or better for hunting than recurve. Or where the recurve different before ? Could you make a video about that ? Myself I have an traditional 40# KG Longbow from KG Arhcery in Nottinghamshire.
@@Buri8128 I hear people say it, but they cannot quantify or justify it. It is nothing more than opinion. I will look into it, will stir the pot as they say. I need to get and talk with those who share the same view and see why, they think it to be true.
String walking is for shooting at different distances. It is actually called a “crawl” and if shooting at a set distance you would use a fixed crawl. But 60 meters should not require a crawl. Crawls are for 30 and under normally. You might need to learn gap. Pretty sure your arrow will be over the target
First of a dozen videos that actually shows the archers point of view. Thank you.
Just taken up Archery in my 60s, hitting the target would be good! but loving the journey.
Me too age 62
62 and shooting a traditional recurve after not shooting at all for at least 5years
I'm 41 I've just started too
Ditto. Age 67.
Starting now at 27, hope you guys still keep shooting!
Awesome video mate.
I got ptsd and anxiety so for me archery is meditation and relaxation. Ive in a bow club and loaning gear now. But am out of work so cant afford my own gear i dream of having a good recurve bow and target so i can shoot everyday would help me a lot both with the ptsd/anxiety and getting in better shape.
I really enjoyed your video. I've watched MANY videos and yours was really easy to understand. Thank you!
Greg your previous video on how to find your gaps and this one explaining split vision should be a must study for any aspiring trad archer !!! Many years ago when I got started and was struggling an "Old Timer" that everyone else ignored befriended me and passed on literally the same info and advice that you have in your videos !! It was a total game changer in a matter of a few days for me and something I refer back to with any bow and arrow change I make to this day !!! Great work Greg !!!
Hello.
Recently I switched from FITA- on traditional archery and was despair: I hit absolutely nothing, constantly flashed me with the tendon on the arm, the fun had lost at archery - which would not be good in my case, but to you'd have to know my story, but that is not now.
We had now where I live one week of rain and i enough time to view your video series to GAP shoot accurately. My English is very bad and I let your videos to Part 5 times back and forth running, to understand everything. I was after the continuous rain finally back on the sports field and was the "learned" implement of you - and I'm just thrilled! No on the arm shoot more arrows go right into the goal! I could have screamed with joy!
Many, many thanks that you shared this incredibly great video and I learned how to do it right !!
Best wishes and 1 Million Thank Gustl.
I have copped a lot of flack over the years for how I was taught to shoot by my grandfather over 50 years ago. I've only recently seen it described as fixed crawl, basically consisting of a fixed point on the string, about 30 yards in my case, shooting 3 under much like string walking but sort of gap shooting from that fixed point. I've found it to be as fast as instinctive and as accurate as string walking out to about 50 yards. There's a video by a young bloke named Matt Zirnsak I think, called The Push that explains it better than I've ever been able to.
I've tried so many styles over the years, as you do when you're experimenting, but always come back to it as my preference.
From Canada Ontario, been shooting for 40 years. Owner of Kawartha Traditional Archery Center been going at it for 10 years and Walker's Traditional Archery much longer. Very nice informative videos thankyou. Trad needs so much support up here. My place at KTAC has lessons, rental 3D and field ranges and shop. Checking out all your videos thank you.
It's good to see a left handed - experienced archer sharing background information on different shooting styles. Many lefties have gone through similar experiences as you did. Many will benefit from what you have to share here on UA-cam and I'm looking forward to more of your videos.
Thank you for this. I've just started out in archery and this was brilliant, really broke it down to the A B Cs. Actually makes sense now.
Triditional Archery : from scientific shooting to bow wielding wizard.
Truth be told, that split vision and stringwalking are just mind blowing. Great content.
hello. the hater are the jealous Archers who think they know it all. no one knows it all. were all learning as we go. we never stop learning that's what makes us humans..i love your channel
You are SUCH a delight to watch! Thanks so much for all your useful knowledge!!!
Great description of those methods. Having an open mind to change is rare in some people. Expand on the experience, it's fun and educational. Great job again.
I’m thinking of getting into archery, so your videos are helping in making my decision. 👍
Great job on the video! I would dare to say that most "Instinctive" archers are split vision shooters. I myself feel I fall into that category. It's when I try to focus on just the target or try to aim with point/ gap is when my shooting sufferers. I shoot my best when I focus on the target, have the arrow blurred in my peripheral vision, come to anchor and release when "it feels right".
what I found interesting and refreshing was, you don't make many cuts, you can really talk through 1 (sub-)subject altogether in one go, no in between cuts ;-). That's a good job, few people can do that.
Apart from that, I came here with zero knwoledge of bows and still understood what you are saying, so, really well done ^^.
another great video man. I learned a few new things. one thing I love about archery is its whatever feels good for you no matter what anybody says. I think its funny when people get mad at you for what you want to share. archery is an individual thing but it's something that we can all learn from everybody if that makes sense does to me. great video keep them coming
Hi Greg!
Looking on your older videos time to time, they are really excellent learning.
Im on my 10th year with Archery, so Im very hungry to learn, whatever that's comes up.
Im a right hand shooter, but my left eye is my dominant eye, bought a left hand bow, but I realize that I will be back on zero to start shooting with that, and Im to old to switch over.(68 year old)
So when I shoot like a Right hand shooter, I close my left eye, and let the right eye do the job, and that works well.
Ive been an instinctive shooter for 9 years, the last year of my 9 years, I did the split vision, and the last 6 months, I practice the Gap shooting , and I must say I had been more safe in my shootings, the target panic is gone, I feel a lot more confident, while entering a new target, during a completion,
So like you say all three metods works very good together, at times is melting in together more and more.
Seen your newer videos as well, hope you continue that, I and many more needs to learn more.
Im a Longbow shooter, and love it, Im learning more and more every day.
I was no eleven in the last big competition, together with the Swedish Elite shooters,( in Longbows) that compete in the European competitions etc, and my last competition I was no 3, but I know I can do much better if I keep the focus, and do what I have learn to do, but a competition is always a competition, with pressure, nervs etc, even if you think you are relaxed, and calm, there is always a different feeling, than shooting alone in your backyard.
My bow is a bit too strong 45lbs, can't hold the draw as long as I want to do, so now Im awaiting a new bow from the US, that's 40lbs, I guess that will improve my shooting a lot.
Thanks again Greg for your videos.
For a guy that's new this is fantastic information , thanks from another Lefty .
I love your way of explaining using visuals and describing the differences 💙🤟🏻 thank you
Good info as always. I finally got everything to start shooting thanks to your recommendation on arrow shafts for my Colt. Thanks to you for all your great videos. Honestly your the only person I commented on there video that responded, thanks. Looking forward to shooting soon my new hobbies.
I found split vision and point of aim to be the most consistent and comfortable for me. work in progress. Thanx for the video, love and laughter *o*
Good discussion. Nice enthusiasm. I suspect we all teach our nervous systems by using the gaps we see until we develop accuracy providing our form dose not deviate shot to shot. (Which is why we should develop consistent form before we can develop consistent accuracy). After we start hitting spot on at a given distance we probably fall by nature and self trust into what you called split vision and that perverts into what we like to call instinctive because we can't explain to anybody how it happens , our nervous systems are so well conditioned with repetition that it just knows. Indeed if we are in a live fire situation with a game animal and we lose confidence and try to think it out our brain will override our well trained nervous system and we'll surely goof it up. Thanks again for you input . Nice video.
Great segment. You really educated me on this, of the years playing with mostly only two types, gap and instinctive never thought about them being similar. Thanks
I completely agree with you on gapping and instinctive shooting being the same thing. It's just shooting an arrow! The way people explain their shooting has a certain emphasis on concentrating on either the Target or the arrow. However, both the Target and the arrow are in the visual plane on each shot and it's the archers mind interpreting what they want to focus on. I think it's important to experiment with focus and I've found out that in certain days I shoot better gapping than I would instinctive and vice versa. I typically Gap shoot but if I'm struggling with that an instinctive focus can pull me out of that funk. The shot cycle topically speeds up when I shoot instinctively and makes me feel like I get on Target quicker. When I Gap feels like I hover over the Target longer because it is a little harder to find looking at the arrow.
Another very helpful video. After going through your Shot Cycle series, these more focused videos on the topics are adding more specificity to my notes. I have a literal web chart of my shit cycle now, which I am slowly learning to unconsciously micro-manage. Takes a little effort but once a part is in the muscle memory, it makes it all worthwhile.
i've been into archery for 45 years and i still love to rewatch videos on this channel
Good video, thanks. Shot a little when I was young and then again in the 40's. Now 60 and about to retire and getting to the local range when I can. I hope to have lost more time starting Jan 1, 2022 and would love to do a league next year. I started doing string walking a few months ago after a few tips from a nice gent shooting next to me but I am just not consistent enough at the moment. Will for sure give this video some thought my next time shooting.
Great video! Awesome and to the point. I've built my take down bow & arrows by viewing UA-cam and everything I know about archery I learned on UA-cam. I Struggle trying to be consistant with my shot placement and found making marks as reference points on my bow helps to line up the shot when determining appropriate elevation for my arrow to reach it's mark. I am still trying to decide which aiming method works best for me. Thanks for the info.
I’ve been watching for awhile and you are very easy to listen too also your a great teacher of mind vision!!!
People like me learn faster and understand better that way.
Thank you
Dan
Oh I’m a vision shooter too.
I didn’t know I was until today!! Lol
I think you nailed! Outstanding job! String Popping and Heart Stopping.. From Texas
LOL... Loved the intro about coming and killing your cats... so true. UA-camrs are crazy
SeedfulMusic because their reputation isn’t on the line on the internet. Nobody knows who’s commenting the first and last name of the person. So their true self can come out on the internet. Especially Americans I would say the majority of Americans are secretly crazy from the stuff I see go on.
SeedfulMusic
You comment sucks, I've been using archery equipment starting in 1960.
That comment about shooting cats will get you an arrow in your ass on my property.🎯
Spot on Gary, Myself have added "Split Vision" to my shooting, and that works fine with Longbow, and split fingers.( I always been an instinktive archer.
Gap is more about knowing the distance, and stringwalking is not allowed on Competition with Longbow.
My man, thank you so much, Monday night is going to be a different story
Thank you for your clear explanation and taking the time to make all these video's ! I just started archery and I really appreciate your explanations about all issues involved. They are a big help and I enjoy watching them. Subscribed ! :)
Loving your channel (and presentation style)! So I am a Field archer(in the UK) and have always shot split finger gap; I'm no spring chicken, so to ease my ageing bones I use a fairly light bow ( around 35#). With split finger, my point-on distance is around 35 yards. The problem is that at closer targets (up to around 20yards or so) I have to use a big gap, around 24 inches. I can reduce this drastically by shooting 3 under, but then I can't reach the 40 + yard targets without aiming at the birds in flight! Also, a bit weirdly, my point on with 3 under and index finger touching the arrow seems to be about 15 yards, so string walking would only be useful if I was trying to shoot at something at 10 yards or less. What I can't figure out is why moving from split finger to three under makes such a huge difference to my point-on: after all, the difference in terms of string position is only the width of the forefinger plus the arrow and nocking point. Who would have thought that a bendy stick and string could initiate such mysteries! Can you offer any elucidation ?
It is not the distance change that is important it is the change in angle that you see that is. That little bit closer to the eye makes a huge difference.
Really appreciate the way you share and convey your wealth of knowledge. Thank you. Great channel.
You are far from stupid. I really appreciate your content, and I'm learning a lot. Glad I found your channel!
Great video. I'm getting back into archery with my Black Hunter longbow at 30lbs.
I shoot split vision but when I struggle I have to go back to instinctive or gap to recalibrate. Some days are great while others I struggle. Uncle Ted's advice of becoming one with the arrow is a good thought.
Good video, Greg. I like your style! I am a "pure" lefty, left eye dominant and all, and I am always fascinated by the different combinations of "handedness" that are possible in people and our learning potential. So often influenced by picking up a big brother's bow or guitar or golf clubs, right? Very impressed by the ability to switch due to injury!
Good stuff Greg. Thanks for sharing.
I loved what you said about the methods of aiming it when about to shoot at the target. I just received my new bow and have ordered some items I will need to use it. The next thing I have to do today is get some arrows locally along with the gloves I need to shoot it as soon as possible.
Sidney, these videos are a great help for me also
Great job on the explanation of how to aim in traditional archery ive never herd of these methods till i watched your video ..ive never realy tryed shootin with both my eyes open and also i guess you could say ive been aimin more towards spot on style shootin so next time i go out iam deffanatly gunna give these aiming styles a try..right now iam shootin and aquired an ol Ben pearson colt 7070.recurve bow with about a 37lb pull at a 28inch draw so this aught to be fun..thanks for the tips ..Mark B from IL
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I'm a string walker. I crawl up and down the string from the nock/arrow. I place the point of my arrow smack dab on top of the bullseye. The closer to the target I am, the farther down from the nock I am. I ancher on my cheek bone and use a Yost tab.
Not how I shoot, but a lot of guys have a lot of success shooting that way.
IMHO, If your putting arrows on target consistently, its hard for me to say that your method is wrong.
This might be helpful for some folks. I'm right handed but shoot left handed because my vision is not great in my right eye. I don't use any of these methods because my depth perception isn't perfect.. I started gauging distance by a mark on my riser that is set at 30 yards. It allows me to be very accurate at all times. By raising the mark a little above or below the target I'm spot on. Can't tell you the number of knocks I've sheared off.
Very informative video. I make my own arrows and shoot 3 under and split finger and instinctive shooting. But am definitely going to try string walking. Thanks again
Great vid, I would like to add that if you plan to shoot in traditional 3d classes they do not allow string or face walking.
Best explanation on UA-cam thank you
Hello! I found this very interesting. I literally know zero about archery, but find the sport fascinating. I live in rural West Cork, Ireland and have no idea of the legality of owning archery equipment (there are certainly no clubs within at least 3 hours drive from me), but with all the vast space and forestry around me, need to investigate if I would be breaking any laws if I bought equipment.
Sometimes its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission ;)
Hey Greg! Good video, you covered it well I think. On 'Point of Aim': I used this with my kids when they were first learning. I did it with a label attached onto the belly of the bow above the arrow rest. It was a series of horizontal colored stripes to aid then in learning how high to hold the bow arm for the distance they were shooting. It worked very well in teaching them. They could reference the stripes while concentrating on the target. I did not use it for gap training as I had never heard of gapping at that time. On split vision, what about painting the tip or point in an optic color to make it easier to see?
Probably your best video, I’ve watched. 👍
Ive never learned how to use sights on a bow and honestly I'm kind of proud of it because no one else I personally know can hit the broadside of a barn let a lone a target without their trusty sights. I use split vision and just kind of developed the ability to do so over time completely by accident because when I started I would keep going back and forth between gap and instinctive between shots then I just pretty much gave up on actually trying to hit the target and eventually I just got proficient at hitting the target. I don't really focus on any one thing and is almost like a 6th sense knowing when to release your arrow but not quite another 6th Sense kind of thing. Something you have to figure out on your own really
just found your site. Its great. I learned by myself and use siting down the arrow to check left/right . Then i have a mark on my riser for distance that i guess works sort of like gap shooting, but it works well for me. However to be precise after 20 yards out i need to know the distance. Hunting this way i would never shopt at anything over 20 yards away. No idea what kind of aiming this would be called. It is fast though.
Other than instinctive aiming the most important skill by far is range determination/estimation because with Gap and String Waling it's based on knowing how far the target is. Because in order to determine how far up and down the string you need to draw at you need to know the distance. Unless your at a competition where the distances are know to you.
I'm just getting into archery and your channel is so charming.
Thank You
Thank you for your reply, I'm still trying to figure this out, not sure if I should try this CRAWL or just GAP.. I've been just looking and trying to shoot instinctive, but my consistency is really lacking beyond 15 yards.. really bad... Thanks again for your advice.. I'll keep you posted on my progress, it will be slow do to work n other responsibilities, but I'll get it done!! Thank you!!!
Rodney,
When deciding on which method to use, you need to know a few things.
1) What is it that you want to do? (Hunt, competition, etc)
2) one you got that, then you have to ask, which method will best fit that
3) The final question would be "How accurate do I want to be"
Another option is Split Vision, it is a combination of GAP and instinctive. I use that the majority of the time, but when I need to make a good shot, I use GAP.
Archery 101 Thank you very much!
Im primarily interested in hunting, but I do enjoy target. I shoot target 300 and 3D for practice..there are no ranges in my area..I just finished shooting in between doctor appointments, arrows definitely need tuned, and learning the sight Picture is a new experience.. plus would help when I can actually CONCENTRATE and not be rushed between appointments..I really appreciate your time and advise!!!
Great video. I personally consider instinctive shooting to be any style that doesn't use a fixed sight on the bow.
Good explanation,thanks.I`ve just started trying barebow from Olympic recurve.LIKED AND SUBBED.
Thanks
I’m finding the gap shooting method is working very well!
Thanks for all your videos. Ur the best 👍
Thanks for informative summary! How do "traditional" archers compete? Are there standard distances, target sizes, etc.? I'm particularly interested in traditional Asian-style archery.
Nothing standard, all are very different from each other. Asia is huge with many cultures and different bow. I take it you mean the horse bow. For that, there is Korean, Chinese, Mongol and Turk. All are very different. Then there is horse archery done form a horse and no two groups are alike.
Another less common method I've heard of is "face-walking" that has a few different anchor points depending on 10, 20, 30, 40 yards for example, and the arrow point is positioned on the intended target spot in each case. I can be combined with the gap method for in-between distances for a fine adjustment.
There are 3 basic methods of archery aiming - instinctive, soft sights, and hard sights. Instinctive - only looking at and concentrating on the target, that's it, nothing else is focused on or utilized, distances and arrow trajectory are learned via repetition and related to setting the bow arm angle. Soft sights - using any manner of point of reference between the arrow and the target, typically using some part of the arrow or bow or bowstring for gap or point of aim, and typically where target distances are known, but if distances are unknown then that will add in a guesstimate measure of instinctive aiming; most archers who claim to be instinctive shooters are actually soft sight shooters; string walkers are absolutely soft sight shooters. Hard sights - literally an actual bow sight that's calibrated for known distances, this is very exacting aiming; if the distances are unknown then that will add in a guesstimate measure of instinctive aiming. That's it, take yer pick.
Thanks for all your videos I wish l knew about all this stuff years ago!
Just a quick thought. I see the difference between gap/ string walking and instinctive, but you must realize that to use instinctive (which I do) you still must focus on the target before you go through your shot cycle.
Shot Instinctive for many years and there are many ways to shoot that way.
@@TradArchery101 I must admit that I jumped the gun a bit and didn't fully watch the video. I did continue to watch and realized that your continued statements did fall into line and make sense so I do apologize. I am an avid fan of yours. I have been shooting a Jerry Hill wildcat 60lb longbow for quite some time now. My father in law got me into shooting and showed me how, but your series on the shot cycle was not only correct but the finer points of each has taught me a lot. The most important point I have learned is how to keep the shoulder not only down but in. I have had many discussions with my father in law about what you teach and have even watched your videos with him. I appreciate all that you do for every level of archer out there. Keep up the great work. Thank you
I am currently experimenting with the "eastern way": I load the arrow to the side where my drawing hand is, and a little after release, I flick my bow stave holding hand's wrist to remove the bow stave from the way of the arrow, thus reducing archer's paradox. This is how Japanese and Mongolian traditional archers shoot.
Sorry, but you cannot reduce the Archer's Paradox. It is either there or it is not. The flexing of the arrow is not the paradox. The paradox is that it seems that when at brace height, that in order to hit the target it "Appears" to the archer , that the arrow much pass through the riser.
Moving the bow because of the arrow is just a myth. The arrow is already 1-2 yards away by the time your hand moves.😘
thanks buddy , im starting archery this saturday .. no idea what method they are going to be teaching me i have one bad eye thats slightly blurred vision but can still see very very well split vision would help me out thank you for the tips you have earned a subscriber! , could i ask a favour ? could you make a video on how to put a recurve bow together for when i first buy one , it would make a lot of difference instead of looking at it like a puzzle!! lol thanks again buddy !
What about a fixed crawl method of shooting? It's kind of like mix between spring walking and gap shooting.
I know of it, I just do not know enough to talk about it with any authority.
Hey great stuff! also tune in to Clay Hayes great traditional shooting stuff and much more adventure and building. top notch
Man I gotta ALOT of work to do! You did answer an important question, I can't string walk with my old Bear Kodiak Hunter, question, is a FIXED CRAWL too stressful on these limbs also? Thank you
You should, as long as the crawl is not too far down the string
hey when i watch traditional archers in my country (we shoot bows without shelfs and bla bla) most of them shoots instinctive and i started with aiming with arrow but i changed instinctive, i think a aiming with arrow is harder with bow without shelf, do you agree with me?
Yes and no. Really depends like anything else on experience. I have an extensive shooting background. In rifles (without adjustable sights) we used what we called "Kentucky Windage", which is similar to GAP. So it was easy for me to do that with a bow. Even without a shelf. Some, or should I say many, cannot get use to that sight picture.
Robin Hood
You are correct. I have been shooting longbows starting in 1960. A bow without a shelf is the old way. Yes I have recurve, compound and Ten Point crossbow with scope. All my fun bows and target shooting is with stick bow. If I could only have just one bow, it would be a longbow🎯
Look up the word; TOXOPHILITE.🎯
Excellent video!! Thank you again!
String walking doesn't work on my traditional wooden bow. I'm glad you mentioned that string walking shouldn't be used on one piece wooden bows.
My son and I just picked up the bow for the first time one week ago. Which method do you recommend for us? I am shooting for fun but he is planning to shoot for his school. They use the Genesis bow. Thank you. Good video.
If shooting for fun, instinctive is easy. If competing, then use an aiming method, much more consistent. The Genesis bow should have a sight on it.
What you should do is what i did. I have I.F.A.A target for 20-35 feet that have 4 targets. I copy one of them at 50% and now i can shoot in realy close and the target is not too big. It is just right amount dificulty.
OK, very informative and very clear explanations.
🐺 Once again a great video thanks for sharing brother . I'm shooting a 58 inch recurve that has a 45 lb draw weight my draw is 28 and I shoot three under using split vision now on my aiming I have to aim my arrow to the right of the target in order to hit dead center of the target at 10 & 20 yards I aim at the right edge of the target to hit center and at 25 & 30 yards I have to aim about 1/2 to 1 inch to the right of the target to hit center now my question is am I doing something wrong or is that the way you suppose to aim I've been shooting compound bows and cross bows all I ever had to do is put my pin on center of the target to hit center with my compound bow and my cross bow I put the scope cross hair on the center to hit center. But the recurve bow I can't aim the center I've asked this question on other videos and never got a answer so I'll reckon the folks that made their how to aim video is like me just don't know either. Brother any information that you could give that will help me I would be much obliged I only had my recurve for about a month now I hate to admit it but I'm about ready to give up on it I do enjoy shooting these types of bows but I just get so mad at my self because I know I'm bound to be doing something wrong but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Anyway like I said thanks for sharing this great video stay safe and God bless brother. 🇺🇲🦅
You are not doing anything wrong. Several things can cause this, your anchor is one. The other is too heavier of a spine.
Some things you can try:
1) Adding material to the side plate to move the arrow over.
2) Move the anchor so the arrow is closer to being under your eye. Just look at Barebow archers to see what I mean. I anchor offline and have the same issue on certain bows.
3) Try a "weaker" spined arrow. Did you bareshaft tune it? How did they fly? Did you still have to aim off to theside?
Thanks for sharing this video. Great information.
Very useful info n guide. Thank you very much, sir.
I really enjoy your content I'm struggling being right handed but blind in my right eye so I'm shooting lefty ok but I'm struggling finding a set method of shooting style but anyway I like your videos thanks
Hi Greg, great video. Can you shoot GAP as left handed whit right eye dominance? Its my case, and im not sure its posible. Im shooting instinctive left handed, and i want to start doing GAP. thanks!
Several people have been known to do it. Sorry for the reply, was out of town.
When I shoot instinctive vs gap, my sight picture is completely different because I have different anchor points for each style. Also, I shoot very quickly when shooting instinctive so I never really notice anything but my target
great info there greg. in one of your previous videos you mentioned something about stereogram. would that be for split or intuitive shooting?
Secondly when shooting long range intuitive or split does it help to lower your anchor point for a further trajectory? thanks
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The Stereogram is more for instinctive, it seems (to me) to allow my mind to relax and see more. I shoot really well when I do that. I have used it in GAP, but it is hard to see the arrow.
Changing your anchor with change your sight picture. I like to keep as much the same ass possible. My long range shooting has made leaps and bounds because of GAP.
This part about split vision actually made sense. I thought I shot insinctively with my Oneida but appearantly I shoot split vision.
Hi Greg how can I get the left right adjustment I want my gap right under the X, but my arrows will hit more left. Do I have to put the string blur right on the arrow ? But then I have to move my head
That is not easy. It really is dependent on your set up. Are your arrows "tuned" to your bow?
The trick (and it is not easy) is to get the arrow to hit where you are looking. You do this by playing with the height of the Nock on the string, Thickness of the strike plate and arrow spine for left / right adjustments.
How far over are you?
Archery 101 thx Greg. So my arrows are not tuned. I have got a right handed take down bow with 40 lbs and 400 spine 32 inch arrows ( Standard from gold tip spine chart) 100 grain tip. I shoot from an arrow rest without button or clicker.
I also use the bone on bone technique from Arne and anchor under the cheekbone and the fixed crawl for closer distances. When I crawl the alignment of the string is much better and arrows will hit the center but for my normal shot the string blur is to the right and I am hitting left (height is perfect on target). I always try to compensate by moving my head forward into the string but that brings a lot of inconsistency into my shot but then the arrow will fly into the middle (sometimes).
I don’t cant, tilt the bow maybe that’s a problem ? I really hate to have my gaps under + right to the point where I want to hit than it’s way to hard to find the correct gaps.
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What is your bow? 400's are usually a bit too stiff for a 40 pound bow. You can always play with point weight to see what happens, but .....
From what your wrote, it seems that your sight picture is different (String Blur being in different places). This could very well be the cause.
Canting does not help or hurt. Try it and see how it feels for you.
Archery 101 I have got a wooden, phenolic carbon ilf riser with medium uukha tuulai carbon ilf limbs 40# 28‘‘ with a 28,5‘‘ draw. I shoot from a metal arrowrest without button. My arrows are 32‘‘ long for smaller gaps. Thx Greg I will try a heavier tip
You can make all types of adjustments with those ILF rigs. I don't own one and couldn't help you on that, sorry.
"...all the same..." I was just thinking about how this is true in a sense when I was claiming to my wife, while about to release an arrow (instinctively), that I was, "Not aiming". I realized that, in a sense, I still was aiming, but what I was calling "experience and muscle memory" is actually just a more complex, almost ambiguous set of references but that are all working subconsciously, even when we throw a bean bag in a game of corn hole O.O Plus, now with you,, I'm seeing my instinctive has elements of gap, even though I'm "feeling more than aiming". I guess it's literally instinctive since I do look at the X, never the tip (unless I want to take out a piece of rose trellis). Definitely learned, hehe, just long ago. Wait... no... according to this I'm doing split vision because I concentrate on the X but "use" the tip without a doubt...!
Is there a tutorial about switching from split finger to three under in regards to bow setup?
I'm trying out three under for the first time and when I do everything I did that worked for split it just sends the arrow down and to the right.
Would very much like to see three under work.
It is normal to shoot low. As for "to the right" than can be caused by several things.
@@TradArchery101 UPDATE---- Good news!, it's working great and a heck of alot more consistent and accurate than split finger I find.
The only oddity I could find was I have better accuracy with 3U when I turn my draw hand counterclockwise (right handed) or else all my shots land to the right.
I use fifth one, the point of the aim. It is like the string walking. Instead of counting the mark on the bow string, I count the mark on the bow.
Philosophically aiming is ether conscious or subconscious so the best choice should be the one that is the most accurate. If you shoot better using conscious aiming but want to be the one who shoots subconsciously you had to make a conscious decision to shoot that way.
Great video. Helped me a lot. Thank you.
Love watching your video. I took up archery pretty late at the age of 48...with no specialist to train me, my archery was based more on instinctive but I have a small problem in my style of aiming. I aim like I am aiming a gun as I am into target shooting for many long years. I dont have a typical fixed anchor point and I look down the shaft of the arrow like that I do with a gun. Sometime my shots become pretty inconsistent. Can you do a video on anchor point and form and stance in archery? Any advice for me?
What type of bow are you using? I think string walking would work for you, but you need to have a bow that can handle the stress.
Its a laminated bamboo backed ipe wood recurve bow I use. Draw weight is 35 lbs at 28 in draw length.
Okay, I'm not sure that it can handle the stress of string walking.
Archery 101 What Poundage will handle stress?
Not a matter of poundage, but of materials it is made out of.
I’m wondering if maybe you’re left handed, but right eye dominant. That’s actually pretty common with people who are left handed, they have to shoot right handed anyway because off their eyes.
I would encourage you to read up on the “Dominant Eye”. Studies have proven that it can and does switch sides. You can see these studies online.
Jake Kaminski, has a video on the subject and he was told at the Olympic training center, medical professionals that the dominant eye is not nearly as important as your “aiming eye” and that they are different.
I'm right handed but blind in my right eye and never found a great way to aim. Any tips would be appreciated.
Gap shooting could work for you, (I use a take down recurve barebow and just found out I've been doing this aiming all wrong for years, but the way I've done it could help you).
From what I've seen, normally, right handers line the target up with the arrow in a straight line under their right eye and place the blurry image of the string on the riser. The arrow tip is under/above the target and they adjust for height. If you're only able to use your left, then practice adjusting for horizontal gap as well. The further away you are, the wider the horizontal gap.
Use an extra one of those white aiming pins next to the target, shoot a set while placing your arrow tip on the same spot every time. Look at your groupings, then move the aiming pin to a better position and try again.
(if anyone sees anything wrong with my comment, please help out)
Fantastic information thank you brother ❤
great tutorial thank you Archery 101
Hate mail? Over WHAT?!? This is insane. However, I still think spot on is not a bad way to aim when it comes to barebow archery. It's just mathematics and geometry, so it depends on distance, weight of the arrow, grains of the tip and poundage of the bow. Here's an example grain of tip staying the same at 100. : When I shoot my 48 pound bow at 20 yards, my aim is 90 degrees and tip of the arrow is spot on the center of the target . It works great with 500 spine arrows which weigh between 24 and 28 grams. Arrows between 20 and 24 grams, I find need to be aimed slightly lower than centre of the target as they do tend to have a bit of lift. Of course, same set up with 30 yards, - suddenly I need to aim 95-100 degrees, or slightly above the centre. But again, - use a lighter arrow of about 18 grams, - and you're aiming spot on again. There is a tiny bit of a difference whether you're using a fall away arrow rest, or just a standard pin type, but they're not that significant as the rest of variables. Still the point it, as long as my aim is steady - it works perfectly
Very good video. I am aiming for the split vision (pun intended). I read about it in Hunting the Hard Way by Howard Hill, that it was his way of aiming. Howard Hill, also says in his book that he was only good enough to hunt with longbow. That Recurve bows were not forgiving enough. I am not sure what he meant by that? Could you make a video about that subject. What did he mean? The Book is from 1953. Is it still true ?
I have his booklet "How I shoot a bow" in it he mentions that but does not elaborate on it. I see no difference in them. I can shoot either equally poor.
@@TradArchery101 But I do not understand how he reasons why longbow would be more forgiving or better for hunting than recurve. Or where the recurve different before ? Could you make a video about that ? Myself I have an traditional 40# KG Longbow from KG Arhcery in Nottinghamshire.
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I hear people say it, but they cannot quantify or justify it. It is nothing more than opinion. I will look into it, will stir the pot as they say. I need to get and talk with those who share the same view and see why, they think it to be true.
Is string walking good for 60 metres distance in takedown bow?
String walking is for shooting at different distances. It is actually called a “crawl” and if shooting at a set distance you would use a fixed crawl.
But 60 meters should not require a crawl. Crawls are for 30 and under normally.
You might need to learn gap. Pretty sure your arrow will be over the target
@@TradArchery101 thank you