Stihl BR800 X Backpack Blower ran with no oil. Will it run? AND Echo PB-9010T carb adjust.
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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This one certainly didn’t save you any time, money, or frustration but it sure helped the rest of us! 😊 Thanks for giving it far more than a fair chance!
I was looking for a lightweight blower for my deck. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxgioZQl3J5wPGAeDINzbieKbT5qomSEx3 There are some huge trees around my house and the leaves and pods drop all over my deck. Having to move furniture around to sweep has become too big a chore. This blower was the answer. It is light enough for this 70yr old lady and powerful enough to blow all the tree droppings off my rather large deck. Thank you B&D. Be aware the cord is not included. I use a 3 prong outdoor cord 25' cord for my 12' x 20' deck. The cord retainer works very well, but don't try to pass the plug through it. That is NOT how it works. You just have to loop the cord and it works great. One of my best purchases. Very happy.
On STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines, when there is a lack of lubrication, typically the piston pin bushing will heat up and seize before the piston and cylinder score. I have purposely run many STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines with no lubrication in tests and they rarely score a piston and cylinder. Almost always the wrist pin seizes first. This engine uses a bushing pressed into the con rod for the piston pin (STIHL R&D found that needle bearings cannot withstand the combustion pressures of the 4-stroke engine). At minimum you are going to need a new crankshaft and piston. It may be more cost effective to replace the shortblock. The unmixed fuel was likely the cause for the failure.
Do you know if there's a permanent fix/repair for the BR 800 muffler continuing to deteriorate and fall off? I own 2 of 4 that have this issue.
That's what I've seen too, but also on a 91r seen a connecting rod bearing fly apart and eat itself.
I repair all kinds of engines though.
I put a 110 engine in that 91.
Always wondered if you could put the older engines in the newer plastics. You can 🙂
So there's that too
i work at Lowes but not in seasonal where most powered equipment is sold .. the people on the floor dont know anything about the product they are selling so they cant alarm the customer on the do`s and dont`s of using their newly purchased product .. rarely does a piece of equipment come back because of a defect .. it comes back because of misuse by a first time buyer who did`nt read the instructions ..
If anyone could fix this , it’s you ! You are by far and away one of the best mechanics in the business , hands down . Wished I lived closer , I’d love to meet you and thank you in person for all you do for us ! Love watching your channel .
Yep she's one of the best
I've had one of these Magnum BR 800x blowers come to my shop last year, and the same issue, only worse. The owner's crew put straight gas in the tank and 2 days later, Wham ! I told the owner that I already knew what I would find if I opened up the engine and it would cost more in labor to do so.
However, he said go ahead and make sure that it's as bad as you think. 😆
$150 in labor later and the cylinder, valves, piston were all toast. The crankshaft and bearings survived some how. Needless to say, it's sitting in a box for over a year now and the customer has not paid for the inspection labor. He said he paid over $900.00 for the unit. All I can say is, if you don't follow the instructions for your equipment, it will cost you big bucks later.
I am pleased to hear that you enjoyed your break.
I am 69 years old and live in Adelaide South Australia. I remember when I started using a lawn mower at about 10 years old, being taught every time you added fuel, you checked the oil level in the sump. No sump , you made sure you used 2 stroke mix.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos.
Please keep up the great work.
Kind regards
John
This is one of the 4 cycle fuel mix engines as far as I can see. Lots of customers are burning them up due to the 4 cycle and thinking that they don't need fuel mix. Great video, Many thanks.
Yeah, to be honest, I had no idea there was such a thing until I saw this video. Then when she was holding the cylinder in her hands, I was thinking, wait, this has valves .... ummm is this a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke? Couldn't figure out how a 2 stroke with poppet valves would work, unless it was forced induction like a Detroit diesel. ANyway, I downloaded a manual for it and figured out what it was, but I could completely see someone getting confused by it being a 4 stroke engine and trying to run it on straight gasoline. Learn something new every day, I guess.
Ya.... Stihl's terminology '4 mix' isn't good... I'm sure many a Stihl engine has been burned up by confusion if not familiar with what the engine actually it,
@@andrewalexander9492 You are correct, I have seen many burned up from using straight gasoline. Also they have a huge issue because they use a plastic cam shaft that wears out often, even melts sometimes. Thanks
Almost want a little solenoid pump with an oil tank, and have it squirt the stuff in when it’s running…. Squirt a good dose when starting, then squirt more in at high revs…
Have the unit not allow running when it’s low on oil, when the battery’s down (lithium-ion battery, so it’s rechargeable)…
I remember in the "early" days, people were horrible about putting straight gas in 2 stroke outboard motors. We never loaned them because of that
It’s nice to see that even the pros run into jobs like this too.😊 I’m a landscaper of 20 years & work on my equipment myself. Most of the time I get things fixed without a hitch but every so often I get one that fights me every inch of the way. I run echo and am real pleased with them. They are powerful and it looks like they are easier to work on than Stihl. If the customer doesn’t want you to fix it maybe you’ll get some good spare parts out of it. Really enjoy your videos 👍
I’ve found echos are fun to run but a pain in the ass to work on
+ Time to offers the clients a bottle of Saber to blend a few gallons.
Heat the piston with a propane torch and apply oil to the pin. Try to drive the pin out while it's hot.
I'd really like to see what happened to the rod bearing.
Rod bearings hardly ever lock up like that when the rest of the engine is OK.
Very good video!
Stihl's 4 mox blowers do not use bearings for the wrist pins. Which why when the motors fail the wrist pin always locks up.
It's a bushing, not a needle bearing as it should be
I bought my echo PB9010 because of your reviews , it’s a beast , I love it . Makes yard work an absolute breeze . Thanks !
just got one , for snow in western canadq
Actually found this to be a highly engaging video.... Definitely one of your better productions, and it Wasn't wasted on a unit you couldn't make (immediately) run. That Echo looks like a hefty machine.... Hopefully just a wrist pin and piston and you can make part II. (depending on the price, if it were mine, i might just leave that piston, bore the rod bearing hole and just go with a new pin and rings. 💁) ✌️ ~
Good to see you back
Really enjoyed the vacation pictures of you
You'd leave the piston? She broke a chunk off the piston skirt.
If the seize is not too bad you can break the piston free by filling up the cylinder with heavy oil and using a very long reach spark plug like a NKG BEHS type of plug used in a car engines. basically hydraulic ram effect, you need to remove all the air from the top before tightening down, have broken free a few soft seizes in my time using this method. Remember to run proper amounts of 2 stroke oil premix in your 2 stroke equipment.
Failure analysis is a perfect way to learn the in and outs of any piece of equipment. It is highly surprising that the wrist pin bearing froze that solid without scoring having been worse first. Must have been a super tight tolerance on that bearing from the factory and it expanded the quickest. Definitely give us a follow up on it!
Actually what I've been learning is that these higher end Stihl blowers DO NOT have needle bearings. Instead they have a bronze bushing that are known to fail like this...
Glad to have you back. Really missed your videos. You can't win them all and it's hard to believe that the customer ran it without oil. So sad and frustrating.
Sometimes you have employees that don't pay attention and put regular gas in. Couple weeks ago I was in the shop and one blower had a hole in piston, two didn't sound any good.
And last one I looked at looked like straight gas. Changed it checked compression, aah ok. Got to start popping off but ran out of time. May need new plug mechanic thought.
Train your employees to make sure they are putting in the right gas. Not just the can but when they pour it in.
Wrist pin is a common failure with Stihl, they don’t use bearings they are bushings. In most cases the crank and piston kit need to be replaced. You can also get a stubby version of the baby D adjustment tool so you don’t need to take the air box off.
Back in the day we used to leave Diesel in a seized cylinder, used to work great. Thanks for sharing.
I ran straight gas in a PB 9010. The same thing happened, the wrist pin bearing was locked up. I now have the big Stihl 800. It works good.
Looking forward to Part 2!
Thank you,
Steve
I'm confident you'll fix it, whether for the customer or for yourself! 👍
I find it fun to prediagnois....with you. 40+ years of shop time. still enjoy learning. Just can't do the physical part all day anymore....your Awesome
Missed you, Bre! I always enjoy your videos, especially on a Sunday morning along with a cup of coffee. Stay well!!
I would have tried some 'torchy love" on those stuck parts. A lot of times, the oil gets so hot that it cooks into a glue that can be loosened by the torch. Also, the piston pin is steel and with the piston aluminum, it would have expanded quite a bit quicker than the steel did with heat.
I don't see how you consider it a failure you figured out what the problem was obviously it's definitely a big problem and you fix the other backpack blower at least now it runs what seems to be properly I love the videos keep them going
I honestly enjoy your "failure" videos. As a self taught, self employed small engine mechanic, even though I've been doing this for almost ten years, it's always nice to see that I am not the only one who does things a certain way, or has certain issues...
Fixed or not, great video. Proves its not always what we think it appears to be. Your hunger for diagnosing properly proved that. Thanks for a very informative and instructional video. AWESOME
The rod bearing needs oil too. Very interesting movie. You are good. Thanks
That sucks! Customer should keep it as a parts blower. Costly mistake on their behalf. Thanks for the vid!
Just want to say, I always enjoy watching your videos your tips on your pointers. They are a blessing so I hope God blesses you and your family. Thank you.
You put more into it than most shops would.. Hopefully they'll be a part 2
Welcome back and I'm glad you enjoyed your vacation.
As for getting something running, you actually DID accomplish that with the simple adjustments on the Echo.
Another great video... informative maybe not in fixing the actual problem, but it does show what can happen if you use straight gas in a 2-stroke.
You are a master tinkerer, luv your hoodie.
I was so looking forward to you bringing it back to life for your customer but it is what it is - no way anyone can say you didn't try...
Your videos are ALWAYS instructive and engaging! Thanks!
Win some lose some.
Great video Bre.
It shows the real world of what small engine techs go through daily.
Customers still think a screw driver, crescent wrench, and hammer is all that is needed to work on this type of equipment. Oh and they must also think we have no bills to pay because they don't want to pay you for your services if the equipment isn't repairable or cost effective to do so.
Great video Bre!! The BR 6,7,800's engine design gets really expensive once you get past regular maintanence. Bearings are unserviceable and a reseal (replace crankshaft seals and gasket maker for the pan) requires a good bit of labor. Removing the blower fan can be a bear also. Simplicity of the true two stroke blowers is much better for the long run. Ease of service, and rebuilds. I work on this stuff all day and I own a PB9010. Short block replacement for these 4-Mix units are only a viable repair if it's under warranty.
I have a 4-mix FS131, and I can't get used to that congested SOUND they make compared to a true 2-cycle.
It starts right up and cuts great, but that sound makes me want to order the aftermarket parts and overhaul my 20 year old FS-85. The bottom end is fine (no excess play or noise in the bearings), but the cylinder and rings are worn so she's not compressing adequately. She's sitting in my toolshed for now until I get some time to work on her.
@@leehuff2330Funny I prefer the sound. Sounds like a 4 stroke dirt bike. It’s far less annoying that the 2 stroke sound.
I hope you saved someone’s job. Great stuff as always.
Apply a torch to the Piston for a short time while in a press of in a bench vice then you can pop the center pin out
I just wanted to thank you for posting this video. I didn’t realize my son has been putting straight gas in my magnum 800. It stopped working while I was using it and when i tried to start it again the cord was super hard.. but I follow all the steps from you checking the color of the gas “which told me what the issue was” to adding oil to the piston which in my case it actually worked !!! THANK YOU..
After the epic ice storm in'98, I went to my friendly Husqvarna/Jonsereds dealer for some parts. There was a rack of chain saws in the shop, all looking brand new. The mechanic told me that everybody and their brother went out and bought saws to clear all the damaged trees. Every one of the saws was run on straight gas and seized up. No one read the owners' manuals. No warranty, just spare parts.
Hello Ms Veronica I have a Red Max back pack blower my real dad sent it to me for a Christmas gift the gift caught me by a surprise it's the coolest thing a dad could buy a son for a Christmas gift family and friends are a blessing to have around
Can’t wait to sit down and watch, which reminds me. My father in law has a “2 stroke diesel tractor” ( think small farm tractor). Well it only ran for 2 years until he had to start using jumper cables straight to the starter, until he locked it up. Can’t tell him nothing. “ it doesn’t use oil, I just add it to the diesel” it ran like shit before it locked up. Well now he just bought a brand new kobota tractor. I wonder how long it will last .
It's good to have you back. Another great video .
Haha, I’m a Kiwi. Love when you say “ it’s all burned up” 😊. Here we say “it’s stuffed, or it’s buggered” . Love your videos, keep ‘em coming.
They are always uplifting.
I like that you are a mechanic and try to find the root cause. The last two shops I took my old car to just threw parts at it.
Sure Fred, you can use my blower. Like the time I let my neighbor use my little MS180 and he ran it at at high idle with the chain brake on..
Welcome back from vacation. Bet you miss the warm weather LOL. Happy to see ya back making videos. Wanting to see a follow up video. Hopefully there will be a part 2!!
I hope you enjoyed your vacation. Looking forward to seeing part 2 of this episode.
Where is part 2? I am on the edge of my seat! Thx. You are an amazing mechanic.
I worked on a BR 800 for the same reason as of running on straight gas. These are really a pain to take apart, really. Frustration! Besides that, the parts are insanely expensive. I changed the cylinder and piston with aftermarket parts and after around 10 hours it still running fine with very good performance. Aftermarket parts are about 1/3 of Stihl price... Frustration again! Stihl does not want us to fix their (our) machines They want us to buy a new one In order to keep the factory busy.
Many thanks for your very instructive video, helpful. Have a great week.
you was trying to help out your customer and did find the problem 👍 not every one will go that far, they quote you a new unit right away..
yes, agree it is not fun to report to your customer they have broke their unit beond repair.
Yea … I got one from a guy same blower … his mixture was terrible and he locked it up so he just bought another one and I gave him 100 cash and told him I would use it for parts … took my time with it one day and poured some marvel mystery oil down the spark plug hole let it sit a day … came back and fired that bad boy up worked great … sold it for 450 got good profit and also let the person know that bought it that it was locked up but I fixed it by freeing up the old piston so time may be limited … 2 years later it still works for him and he brings it to me for maintenance and I give it some hot oil (mystery oil) treatment once or twice a year for him … still picking the 9010 over any other blower tho just so powerful and saves a ton of time when you are a good operator
Your an Awesome Mechanic and look like a Scientist when wearing Your glasses!
Years ago I had to rebuild a 2-cycle Evinrude outboard, because I let some people use the boat, and they put straight gas in it. Thanks for bringing back that painful memory. 😁
I'd really like to see the Stihl run again as well for the comparison video to the Echo unit.
Hope you enjoyed your vacation you deserved it.Great to have you back.All the best to you all.
You can't fix them all! Great video Bre!! Loved it. I would say go ahead and fix it. Might run for a long time and at half the price of a new one???
Bree you're a good lady and you're helping alot of people!!!!
Great video! I hope it gets ingrained in my mind each time I fuel up having a mixture of 2 and 4 stroke engines! Similar to when you get your car fuelled up and your household has a mix of petrol and diesel cars. I always pause, say to myself “ now what car am I in, what fuel am I about to put in”😂. Will be interesting to see what decision the customer comes to-repair or replace.
Hope y'all had a great vacation! Missed your videos and glad y'all had a safe trip.
Great to see you back! I hope your holiday was fantastic
Have you tried our good old friend heat? Be sure to heat the piston and con rod (awkward) not the wrist pin then press it out before the wrist pin expands. Probably gonna need a new piston tho'
Luv the music as you were taking it apart ...
Sorry you couldn't get it running in this video but am sure you will for a part 2? It is nice to see that even the pros occasionally can't fix things on first try. Am glad you are back home from your vacation. Love your videos and have learned so much from you! Time to put a new one on your Santa list...lol.
My favorite part was listening to the seized piston
Glad you came back! Nice tan, looks like you had fun. Not disappointed; now we know how to tear one of these apart!
Bre, make a part 2 video. We would like to know the disposition of the BR800. Thanks.
Looking forward to seeing you get it to come back to life and how good it works
What did we ever do without those dang impact drills?? I swear they’re the best thing ever, use mine daily for everything, sometimes even a hammer 😂,
I've watched enough small engine repair videos that when the teaser was posted day before yesterday I knew it was likely going to be a no oil issue. interesting the bearing is what failed, and at half the price of new, it may be worth gambling on a piston/rod assembly.
Never thought twice about it, my dad and I ran "cheep" gas in our 2 stroke mix. Started to have issues with the little saw, fella at the saw shop asked (first thing threw the door) what gas are you using? Haven't run ethanal since, have always run a mix, just pay more for non ethanal now.
Sorry you were not successful i getting it fixed. This is a great reminder for folks about how important it is to know what your equipment needs for fuel and meeting the need. I use only non-ethanol fuel and Shindaiwa oil for my mix fuel. I also clearly mark the fuel cans so it is obvious to anybody using my stuff.
A friend of mine had the 9010 Echo and he said within three years it was already wore out but he owns a lawn service so imagine how much they used it
I always enjoy your videos I learn things that help me keep my personal equipment running. I've got an Echo Trimmer, Echo Rototiller, Honda Lawnmower, Mclane Edger and Craftsman Generator for use around the house.
Great vid! Thank you. It fascinates me how someone could buy a commercial grade blower like the BR800 and NOT know to mix. I have a BR800C-E purchased from a dealer here in the sticks of Michigan and the first thing the salesman said, MIX! I'm just a large property landowner and I understood. It's a beast and I can blow leaves and everything else that's loose all the way to Canada, deck chairs, kids and unsecured airplanes.
They even call it.........4mix.
The best part about the Echo 8010 ( and 9010) is that Echo knows they built a blower that's longevity is compromised. Lucky to get a year from one when used commercially. 9010 not much better. But they are standing behind them with respect to warranty ( even months after the 2 years).
Another very nice video Chickanic , people have to be educated on the importance of the equipment they are buying
True but they know it all Lololo
That would be the dealers responsibility and then yours to pass on to whom ever uses or borrows said equipment.....Just sayn.
actually I liked that 30 minutes later the pin had you beat and that's life, thanks for sharing the imperfect and lets hope for a part2.
That 90-10 blows way more than the Stihl!!!
Went from a Stihl BR600 to the Echo 80-10 and WOW 😳😳 double the CFM and 1/2 the time!!
How can I get the new lines and carb parts, and where? I have tried different auto parts stores here with no luck. We don't really have a small engine repair shop here. Thank you.
Enjoy your videos and learn a lot that I realize I can do myself.
So you can't do a video at your shop cuz the people want to drop off machines. Sounds like a good problem to have!.Love ur stuff.
Great video... brought back some great memories of my years as a small engine mechanic. Which is why I watch your channel... nope fully retired and enjoy retired life lol . But it is as you know something in our blood. That keeps us interested... ANYWAY... you did it right and you have it all on flim. So you can show the customer. Who will probably opt out of repairing it. Hopefully you can keep it and replace the piston .. hone the cylinder lightly and have it back up and running.
Really enjoy your program. Keep up the great work 👍
These things happen all the time I've had my share of riders and echo chain saws over the years. I still my old echo 510 evl . Nice video.
Great video. I rebuild br 600 and 700's probably a handful of times. The wrist pin is known to sieze. Plus stihl's have to many moving parts unlike the traditional 2 stroke. When you reassemble just be aware of the timing gear, make sure it's at the marks.
Have fun I just had one of these in my shop I think when people here it’s a four stroke they think it doesn’t need oil in gas I got by with a piston and cleaned up the cylinder
Thank you for all you do. I've been rebuilding 2 john deere 14sb mowers and small tips have helped a lot on the journey. Your channel is awesome
No disappointment here. Your videos are awesome, I was glad you tore it apart I wanted to see what was wrong. I even poured another coffee to watch it lol 😆.
New subscriber, loving your videos, learnt a lot as a homeowner, thank you, best wishes from Oz🇦🇺
It was still a good interesting video and hope to see a part two if possible
I had this issue on a Stihl 600 blower I garbage picked. I used ATF mixed with gas- Fill the cylinder & let it soak overnight. Then disassemble the Cylinder & piston...used a bead hone on the cylinder & replaced the rings. Still going after 5 years of commercial use.
Love the honesty and your willingness to help the customer.. However, reality is YOU didn't break the items coming through the door, the customer did, (or their family member ;) ), and they shouldn't be upset at being told it's toast.. Love the videos, the disassembly and reassembly then the grand start up.. Keep them coming, no matter how bland you might think they are, to us, they are fascinating..
Awesome video!! Well the 800 might not have worked out. But you definitely help me out with the 9010. I have the tools but there was no information out there on how to adjust the carburetor. The Ecco dealer adjusted it but its still just a hair off depending on the temperature. So Thank You very much!!👍🏻👍🏻🤗🤗
Welcome back. All battles are a win. But sometimes it’s not ours to win. You might try some heat on that piston but it may just got welded.
Yeah that would suuuckkkk!! I just bought one today and I always throw a extra bit of oil in my 2 strokes gas, I’d rather replace a spark plug cus it’s gets fouled out rather than lock the motor up from lack of oil
Yet another amazing tutorial! Chickanic, how about PB Blaster to free up that cylinder. That stuff is incredible and my 'go to' for most everything.
Yes! I've used B'laster products since they were invented back in the '60s, they are the best. WD-40 smells kinda good, but other than that, it isn't good for much of anything.
It was still a great video regardless if the blower was fixed or not. You make great content. Cheers