Can I just say a massive thank you to all of the people responsible for putting these videos together. The logistics must be a massive headache, and you're knocking it out of the park. Thank you!
What a superb line Zac Brown “Heavy weights that only want to fight middle weights” so accurate , Ferrari and Red Bull basically scared of competing on a level field of play 🙄 Liberty Media as owners need to grow a pair , these are the new rules if you don’t like it don’t come. Ten smaller teams competing at 200mph + (which they will) would be a lot more interesting than watching the same teams/drivers dominate every practice session, every qualifying and each GP
It's not like these teams didn't deserve their place. McLaren used to be equal to Ferrari, but because they messed up their infrastructure, they fell behind. And now they aren't top tier anymore, they want to pull others down to their level and act like their mediocre infrastructure should be the norm for everyone. But they are still way bigger than anyone else apart from Renault Renault and have a factory team infrastructure. Under the new regulations, F1 becomes more of a cup class with little innovation and diversity in terms of aero-concepts. Basically kinda like Indycar.
Hmmmm , indycar . Errr no thanks that’s even more boring than modern F1, it’s virtually a same make, home series class of racing. I am really not worried what F1 does either way , I don’t watch much anymore , it’s a boring hybrid engine trying to be “eco” nerd fest these days . My point was I liked Zac Browns comment , it’s also accurate if Ferrari are the best they will win if the spend is either £10 million or £500 million . They will cheat anyway they always have , the best teams have always played closed to the rules , most crossing when they could. I grew up watching Grand Prix when teams like Hesketh , Toleman ,Tyrell , Brabham ,Lotus , Matra, Williams could innovate their way to race wins and be competitive. McLaren are virtually one of the heavyweights. I believe it was more the obsession with Alonso that has cost them dear. I’d have sacked him for his immature protests about the engine . McLaren will rue the day (I’m sure they do already) they split with Honda (influenced by the massively overrated Alonso) , they would have had more dominant seasons if they had sucked up the pain of the development years.
@@PDadz64 Well with the current regs the F1 already look very alike and thus will only get worse. It will be like IndyCar, just on a higher level which is what I don't want.
@@djoetma Bullshit, McLaren, Williams, dozens of other are victims of the FIA catering to manufacturers and fucking over everyone else. Same for rallying, V8 Supercars ect, ect.
He does ... now that McLaren is in the mid field. He conveniently forgets that McLaren had it's dominant periods in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s. If he was in that position now I wonder if his comments would be the same.
Ross and Zak are quite literally the two single best people in this sport right now. They are without a doubt saving this sport with their efforts. Having restrictions is what drove the ingenuity of the older eras. They didn’t have unlimited money so they had to manage with what they had. Now there are teams with unlimited money which has rewarded brands for spending as much money as possible to advertise themselves while the real smaller teams go belly up cuz they can’t, and never were able to spend like that.
Well lets be honest, during the Ferrari dominating era it was also a case of having the most amount of money. Ferrari where testing at Fiorano pretty much daily. Teams with a smaller budget wouldnt have been able to put those kind of hours into developing their car mid season.
Really i know the man on a personal basis i live 2 doors away the man is a complete fool he has ideas that only he thinks are great. nobody else even listens to him. the shit that man talks is out of this world
Thanks for broadcasting this. I noticed a lot of topics were discussed which potentially wouldn't be discussed if the situation of current time would be different. Thanks Ross, Zak, Martin and Simon!
I don't see how you can even have closed events. That means isolating all team members from their family for at least 2 to 3 weeks before you can put them together at a race track. That's already close to 2000 people just for the teams. And then you have hundreds more of reporters, track officials and track facilities staff you need to isolate before you can have a "clean community" at the track. And all that for the track owner to hold a race at a giant loss because no tickets are sold. I don't even think there is a track that wants to do it unless the FIA or F1 is going to first wire them a few millions as compensation.
All the serious issues (Listen to Martin Brundle at 40:00+) and this is your astute, critical, perceptive comment regarding the problems??? What a genius. Let's get you to work on global warming and third world poverty. E mail????.
Laura i actually do think Brawn is an engineering genius and Martin was a hell of a driver 🐍 That comment was more towards sky f1 who are, well as you know, a broadcasting organisation! So... kind of their fortes would you not agree?
@@Geeoorggee So you think is should go like this, Hey guys, we know that while you are actually just as busy with no races than with, dealing with staff "lay-offs", working out all the possible scenarios etc, could you just install/setup this equipment to have a 20min chat with us?
the unity within F1 is great, I remember seeing force India team members running to get Williams team members away from the fire in the garage back in Spain, and then other teams lending Williams their team radio spares for the next race
Very impressed with Zac Brown. His idea to have say, best 13 races count (or lower) makes complete sense and releases pressure on teams to attend every race regardless of health issues.
The fans want to see the "lower teams" win more often. Indy car does this well. 5 different motor suppliers and 4 or 5 body styles. There answers are there in motorsport all over the world. Just look!
But here's the thing, Indy racing, particularly ovals it's easier for those teams to sneak a win. If F1 had the same logic I think it will be harder for than to happen. OR it means the lower teams will luck into a win every now and then and I don't think they will want to rely on that. I think they will want to have the ability to try to add something to their advantage. I just don't see having the same car more or less is the answer for F1. Exciting racing adds fans and attracts sponsors, and I don't think that means running the same design. I watch both sports, and I don't particularly want to watch two versions of the same model.
Great stuff Sky and all the team really interesting to see, a great positive to look forward to some F1 we can watch, would pay Sky again to see the coverage first :-)
@Ye P Cmon Ye P...I havent even got to their impressive 2 stroke lawnmower inconel titanium exhaust sound yet! They dont even compare with the placid note of a roaring v10 from the days of yore!
I love these kind of discussions. Three very established F1 figures looking at a way forward for F1 as a sport and as a business to become more sustainable and retain the current teams/invite new teams and to level competitiveness as much as reasonably possible. Hopefully this current global crisis allows the sport to reflect and come up with a better solution for the future. Long live F1!
Thanks for trying all you can Ross to give us fan's the best racing in the world and all your colleagues. Thanks Martin Zac (Mclaren rule my team 20yrs) and Simon for your time and all of you take care 🙂
They're trying to restart the season too fast. Even if you don't allow the fans to attend there are still hundreds of people having to travel to be able to organize the GP - team personnel, FIA, marshals, camera crews, journalists etc.
Regarding escalating costs, how is expenditure controlled? Is there a special auditor that scrutinises the expenditures of teams? I fail to see how it can be controlled. Someone please explain.
Got a question I’d like answered. After the Barcelona testing the teams were fresh and raring to go in Australia. Do you think for safety reasons if nothing else that there should be a shake down before the first race?
@@techtipsuk Which are no longer aired on terrestrial TV in Britain, despite those sessions often being more interesting and educational than the races. Sky have already destroyed the enjoyment of the sport for most people here. I used to watch every session of almost every race, and had done for years. Nowadays, it's 'Meh. Was there a race highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday? Must have missed it. Where was it at? Maybe we'll catch the next race broadcast, in two races time.' Last year's season finished with most people only hearing about it from news headlines.
To be blunt, Formula 1 is taking the correct way to lose fans efficiently by not being aired in full on terrestrial TV. In Britain, large numbers of people are reduced to either watching delayed 'edited highlights' of half of the annual races on Channel 4 or else becoming clandestine viewers of streams from other countries. The Practice sessions and Qualifying (often more interesting than the races) are only viewable legally by those who subscribe to Sky's second-rate and over-priced satellite TV and internet service, or who pay a premium price to watch via other online means. The prices charged by Sky are extortionate for most people here. No way are large numbers of people able to pay an additional £600+ per year to watch very inefficient cars going around circles at high speed. There are much cheaper, and far more interesting, forms of motor sport which can be watched for nothing more than the annual terrestrial TV license fee, or for no other cost than using a terrestrial internet connection. If F1 decides to go 'fanless', then they will lose me completely, along with millions of other long-term followers of the sport from all around the globe.
with Ferrari's insistence for a larger budget for engine producers why can't the team budget be set at £130m to include all costs engine/gearbox/chassis/ staff. Engine development can be done external to the team as with Honda/Red Bull and all other customer teams. That way all teams are "customer teams" and engine supply is by separate companies external to the race team budgetary restrictions.
Why? When they're running races with fans there, the fans are paying. Why would a lack of paying public necessitate free broadcasts if *paying* public doesn't? F1 has costs just as any other company. If they get less money in (and believe me; paying public brings in a *LOT* of money) then they need to earn it some other way. And even more importantly: The tracks don't earn *anything* if there's no public. Those are the organisations that are hit the hardest. F1 needs to find some way to make sure the tracks don't go bankrupt.... I don't see any reason whatsoever for them to broadcast for free. I do see a lot of reason for them to look for different monetization options.
You can do it Ross belive in your ability I know you are more than capable to bring in the cost cap and give us closer racing would also love more teams to join F1 hopefully a cost cap can give them the opportunity
F1 must not loose its core, technical innovation leads to race winning. Indycars do not have the same essence, though i can appreciate Indycars for what they are, they are TOTALLY different to F1
Kevin Amatt Yeah, I wish they could show full races from 1995-2005 but I dunno who has the rights to those? That was the best 10 year period in F1 IMO.
Why cant they run multiple races with the teams setup at Silverstone track? Most teams are local ad infrastructure is in place to make it happen and transmit the tv footage, so we could watch it. Silverstone is a great track.
One race in each direction, on two separate weekends would be enough to decide a championship, and would keep costs to a minimum. It would also ensure that F1 becomes fanless. Once that goal has been achieved, they could sell off the remaining embers of F1 to anyone who as the spare cash, and retire. Sorted.
I used to watch F1 but since it went to pay per view it lost all its appeal. It was something you could gouch out to on a Sunday rather than watch Eastenders. Became too elite and long winded.
Great interviews. Ros and Zak are very level headed. Ferarri... not known for being level headed. I hope ferarri recognize that if they insist on keeping their 'special treatment' then they'll ruin the sport, since the other teams will walk away. As they should.
I get Brawn points but i doubt they will make exceptions to f1. Olympics which were supposed to be held in august/september have been cancelled. Euro 20 was pushed to 2021 summer for same reasons. Even if we only have european races i dont see how this can work out. Italy/Spain/UK/France are leading the stats for covid infected. Are they going to held these races in Finland and Sweden midoctober when snow might be out. I dont think so.
If they do go ahead without any fans are they going to make it accessible to all fans on television without it costing the fans a fortune paying for it on sky sports, will they let other broadcasters who are interested show the races.
I doubt it. F1 will become just another inaccessible niche sport, in short order. They've been heading that way ever since Sky muscled in, waving their wadges of monopoly money in front of the eager eyes of Bernie Ecclestone. Now that he has retired, it's downhill all the way to the pits.
Maybe its time for F1 to get involve in funding organizations that are dedicated in fighting pandemics like this, because clearly a global sport like F1 has a lot to lose. With the organizations audience reach and financial might, it can make a huge difference.
How can the circuits operate without fans? All the souvenirs, concessions stands that bring in a lot of money. All the corporate hospitality too. Would there also be a backlash against sponsors?
I am a big fan, but f1 has to be prepared to let the petulant upstart red bull and the old king Ferrari leave the sport. 125m cap and 750 staff per team is more than sufficient and restrictions bring ingenuity. Sadly the chances of haas or Renault having a great weekend and being on the podium are long since gone, sadly. We all remember the underdogs winning races, Jordan and co taking the risk to get the reward. F1 should return to that, remove the offsite data technicians and leave the decisions to the pit wall. The racing will be more unusual as the teams analysing every outcome will be gone. The teams that won’t follow Ross should be ashamed of themselves and leave the sport as clearly they are putting their own interests head of the sport. This man loves f1, knows his stuff and pulled off one of f1’s greatest stories in f1 as well as bringing championships in so many teams. Mercedes owe so much of their turbo hybrid era success to this mans knowledge and decisions. All teams know he knows his stuff so why are they not following him?
750 staff per team is beyond ridiculous. We had much more exciting racing in the days when a successful team could be not much larger than an engineer, a handful of assistants for the cars (two pairs swapping tyres and two refuelling) and a pair of drivers. The only positive thing about today's races is that they are far safer than they used to be. 25 people per team is more than enough to allow for a couple of designer/engineers, two tacticians, a small team of good mechanics and two drivers. Then their annual spend would be mostly on the cars. The additional 725 to 1000+ unnecessary staff and their office/transport/accommodation costs are the real drain on resources today. Sure, pit stops would take longer, but since it would be a level playing field, that would not detract from the sport in any way. Efficiency of each member of the pit crew would become even more important than it is today.
@@nateh9507 Yes I've seen some of this and the number of F1 drivers is increasing - I think there is one on Sunday at 8. I just wonder why the teams don't just say you are all racing as normal on the right circuits for the calendar but on the sims that you continually use. Can't be that hard to set up - unless the drivers can't reach the sims I guess.
You should get everyone to record these locally during the call and then put it together - better quality and you won't get the audio dropouts. Very interesting time for F1 and the rest of the world. Some good insight here.
Most f1 teams are based in the uk, bring the foreign teams to the uk via an appropriate isolation procedure, then de rate the cars so the Grand Prix can be run at donning ton, thruxton combe hill and all the other minor circuits, the U.K. Fans may also be able to attend too.
😂 would be mental. The whole field slip streaming/drafting each other and continuously for a few hundred. Highest mph through the tolls gets a couple of bonus points
Ferrari’s views are unrealistic these days. They’re a luxury performance car manufacturer, whereas most of the teams aren’t and therefore don’t have the warchest to finance R&D. Ferrari need to conform and align with all the other teams to help safeguard the future of F1, sadly at this time their mentality is selfish and blinkered.
Agree. I do think they have some grounding in their view though. They do manufacture every element of their car. Most of the other teams don't. In fact there's only Mercedes that do. Big difference being a manufacturer to being a customer team like Hass for example.
Remember that the name 'Ferrari' is the Italian equivalent to the name 'Smith'. 'I drive a Smith Redhead.' (Ferrari Testarossa.) doesn't sound so grand, does it?
If the points are weighed by team budget I believe that will drive down the cost. That is if, say Mercedes scores a win it gets them point less than what say Williams would for the same win.
Massively reduce costs to attract another dozen teams, works n independents and create F1/2. i.e relegation and a second division of F1 and scrap F2. Two races at weekend so no extra venue issues and more for the fans. Also league 2 race on a saturday with bmw n toyota aiming for promotion is far more attractive to sponsors than any f2 or equivalent
Last time someone besides the top three won: March 2013 - Kimi with Lotus Renault Yes, this is not sustainable. Time to change the formula. Separate the race teams from the manufacturing arms of the non customer teams so the racing team budgets are the same at least.
David Macdonald not really moto go tv audiences where 400miillion compared to f1 of 500 million and the costs for that I’m sure aren’t on in the £300 million region if you look at the people who go to the tracks especially in Europe it 100 thousand plus in a lot of the tracks in Europe
johnj they have if you took the top six out they would still have the fastest most advanced cars so when Williams racing point and hass and Renault drop out because of cost there would be much of a race series left
Ferrari is only one team and perhaps they have had their day and let Ross drive the sport back to how it used to be with the championship being decided with the final race.
International travel being a prerequisite, _F1_ is one of the sports least likely to have a 2020 season. Like many other sports, the underpinning economics and logistics will have to be reviewed to ensure sustained profitability post-pandemic. I hope _Ross Brawn_ and his team can find and implement measures to restore actual competitive racing to the sport over the coming years. *R.I.P. Sir Stirling Moss. A legend in the proper sense of the word.*
Ross Brown solution for making F1 popular. 1.Regulate to stop any and all all innovation. 2.Punish all winners with reverse grid. 3. Create a regulation to make sure the best driver doesn’t win 4. Start a system of voting for FIA to vote who should be the world champion 5. Make sure there is a regulation ensures there is different champion each year.
You say you are making F1 easier for fans to access the races. But really you are taking it away from hardcore fans like me. I can’t afford sky sports I don’t have sky because I can’t afford it. I’m not happy watching high lights on channel 4. I want ALL RACES LIVE on BBC or channel 4
I can live without either Ferrari or Mercedes if they will continue to be recalcitrant about maintaining their financial advantage. After a while, with an equal playing field, new hero's will emerge. Then Mercedes and Ferrari might come back if they didn't like it at first. If they don't, then they can find a different series to participate in. Like a bigger investment in Le Mans, for example.
You guys are 100% correct one aspect is America will never gain the high dollar interest without real competition..... Zac though I like Ferrari I agree with u
It's a bit of a conundrum (the $ cap) between being the ultimate in automotive tech and keeping a robust competitive field. As a Machinist/CNC Programmer I have floated around the 80k mark for a few years (28yrs exp). If you consider this level of experience/wage as nominal, meaning that mechanics/pit crew are earning less but engineering and management on the plus side, this puts the team salary at around 65 million (800-850 on payroll). Travel and lodging for a season at 25 million. Raw material and process, manufacturing infrastructure and just keeping the lights on at least 20 million means putting the cost at around 110m to survive. To pay the shareholders and keep in the black 150m is the bare minimum a team would need to get by. Seems low to me. These are all layman estimates. I would love to hear some real world figures but I know for sure you'd have to bleed out an F1 exec to get the real truth.
So potentially the French Grand Prix could host the 1st race, 26th June. So does that mean the races that follow (Austria, Britain and Hungary) will follow suit. And does that mean that spectators wont attend a race until Spa or a rearranged race between that?
Would be nice, but Travel Restrictions might pose a problem....especially the China GP! Don't see anything, other than past GP reruns on the tube continuing for quite awhile!
it would be very cool if they had a make up race that involved identical go karts. they did it before as a publicity stunt in the senna/prost days. not expensive at all and just as entertaining to watch.
Is the point of Formula 1 for the Best Team to win or the best driver to win? Is that not another question to ask? Why not have one engine,one chassis,same tyres also more open regulation with that.As many fuel stops and as many tyre stops as each driver wants.
Could we not do a couple of races which are closed to fans from Silverstone similar to Touring cars and with a race where one weekend we do it clockwise and the next weekend anti-clockwise. Perhaps there should be a cap on driver's pay as it seems obscene that drivers can earn pay that most of the fans would never earn in a lifetime. Yes they risk their lives and they are very talented but some teams the car is the dominant factor. The F1 I grow up with such as Lotus in the 1960's and 70's we had exciting races and as Zac said the racing was exciting when we had unexpected conditions. For the last few years the racing has been boring with 3 teams dominant at the top. We need the cars to be the same and the budget cap would give that the teams need a level playing field and that means a cap on teams which must include everything.
And they could let teams use whatever engine or motor they choose to use, petrol, gas, diesel or electric, so long as it and its fuel supply fit into a specific chassis size, remains within a specified annual engine and support budget, and does not unduly endanger the drivers of any team. Refuelling or battery replacement should be allowed, but a defined minimum time should be taken for that procedure. That would be really interesting!
If it's the safest way. For both the health of everyone involved and the financial situation for the teams. I am fine with this. Everyone, in every industry, is having to make compromises where health is a priority, and assuring the future lively hood of an individual is also a priority. For F1, racing without fans is the safest option
The very global nature of formula 1 and the amount of travel involved makes it virtually impossible to restart in three next 6 months with the whole world locked down. They should refocus their short term energy getting a proper esports series set up with all drivers involved.
Can I just say a massive thank you to all of the people responsible for putting these videos together. The logistics must be a massive headache, and you're knocking it out of the park. Thank you!
"hey Ross, hey Zak, hey Martin..show up on Skype at 18:00 Hour... we're doing a live chat"
Doesn't seem that complicated, if I"m honest.
@@supercooled lmao i know right
What a superb line Zac Brown “Heavy weights that only want to fight middle weights” so accurate , Ferrari and Red Bull basically scared of competing on a level field of play 🙄 Liberty Media as owners need to grow a pair , these are the new rules if you don’t like it don’t come. Ten smaller teams competing at 200mph + (which they will) would be a lot more interesting than watching the same teams/drivers dominate every practice session, every qualifying and each GP
It's not like these teams didn't deserve their place. McLaren used to be equal to Ferrari, but because they messed up their infrastructure, they fell behind. And now they aren't top tier anymore, they want to pull others down to their level and act like their mediocre infrastructure should be the norm for everyone.
But they are still way bigger than anyone else apart from Renault Renault and have a factory team infrastructure.
Under the new regulations, F1 becomes more of a cup class with little innovation and diversity in terms of aero-concepts. Basically kinda like Indycar.
Hmmmm , indycar . Errr no thanks that’s even more boring than modern F1, it’s virtually a same make, home series class of racing. I am really not worried what F1 does either way , I don’t watch much anymore , it’s a boring hybrid engine trying to be “eco” nerd fest these days .
My point was I liked Zac Browns comment , it’s also accurate if Ferrari are the best they will win if the spend is either £10 million or £500 million . They will cheat anyway they always have , the best teams have always played closed to the rules , most crossing when they could.
I grew up watching Grand Prix when teams like Hesketh , Toleman ,Tyrell , Brabham ,Lotus , Matra, Williams could innovate their way to race wins and be competitive.
McLaren are virtually one of the heavyweights. I believe it was more the obsession with Alonso that has cost them dear. I’d have sacked him for his immature protests about the engine . McLaren will rue the day (I’m sure they do already) they split with Honda (influenced by the massively overrated Alonso) , they would have had more dominant seasons if they had sucked up the pain of the development years.
@@PDadz64 Well with the current regs the F1 already look very alike and thus will only get worse. It will be like IndyCar, just on a higher level which is what I don't want.
@@djoetma Bullshit, McLaren, Williams, dozens of other are victims of the FIA catering to manufacturers and fucking over everyone else. Same for rallying, V8 Supercars ect, ect.
@@markmark5269 Explain to how they did this according to you...
That Mclaren guy talks more sense than any other person in F1 at the moment.
Zak Brown
He does ... now that McLaren is in the mid field. He conveniently forgets that McLaren had it's dominant periods in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s. If he was in that position now I wonder if his comments would be the same.
@@InekoBK He won me over
more sense than who? Because at the moment everything is shut down and barely anyone says anything about F1 so your statement doesn't make sense
@@Verybadbiker More sense than you obviously.
Ross and Zak are quite literally the two single best people in this sport right now. They are without a doubt saving this sport with their efforts. Having restrictions is what drove the ingenuity of the older eras. They didn’t have unlimited money so they had to manage with what they had. Now there are teams with unlimited money which has rewarded brands for spending as much money as possible to advertise themselves while the real smaller teams go belly up cuz they can’t, and never were able to spend like that.
Well lets be honest, during the Ferrari dominating era it was also a case of having the most amount of money. Ferrari where testing at Fiorano pretty much daily. Teams with a smaller budget wouldnt have been able to put those kind of hours into developing their car mid season.
I could listen to Brundle talk anything and be interested.
He's a clever guy. Shame he ended up in the commentary box in some ways and not working for the FiA or FOM. They need some common sense.
@@ab8jeh he not bothered he's worth 100million dollars
Really i know the man on a personal basis i live 2 doors away the man is a complete fool he has ideas that only he thinks are great. nobody else even listens to him. the shit that man talks is out of this world
@@lesterelvin7910 2 doors away? Really. Fascinating.
lester elvin Right, I’m sure you are as articulate in person as you are in writing.
Thanks for broadcasting this.
I noticed a lot of topics were discussed which potentially wouldn't be discussed if the situation of current time would be different.
Thanks Ross, Zak, Martin and Simon!
Always interesting to hear what Brundle has to say.
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Zak’s comments are total common sense and down to earth. Well said Zac. Martin Brundle always talks sense.
Thank you for putting these on here!
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Zak Brown ABSOLUTELY NAILS IT on his take @ 18 mins
Great work guys! Please keep it up! Thoroughly enjoying hat you're doing here in Canada!
I don't see how you can even have closed events. That means isolating all team members from their family for at least 2 to 3 weeks before you can put them together at a race track. That's already close to 2000 people just for the teams. And then you have hundreds more of reporters, track officials and track facilities staff you need to isolate before you can have a "clean community" at the track.
And all that for the track owner to hold a race at a giant loss because no tickets are sold. I don't even think there is a track that wants to do it unless the FIA or F1 is going to first wire them a few millions as compensation.
Such geniuses in this video, but none of them able to muster that using speakers on video-calls produce echo 🤦♂️
They must be aware some audio producing device called an earbud is available right?
All the serious issues (Listen to Martin Brundle at 40:00+) and this is your astute, critical, perceptive comment regarding the problems??? What a genius. Let's get you to work on global warming and third world poverty. E mail????.
Laura i actually do think Brawn is an engineering genius and Martin was a hell of a driver 🐍 That comment was more towards sky f1 who are, well as you know, a broadcasting organisation! So... kind of their fortes would you not agree?
@@Geeoorggee So you think is should go like this,
Hey guys, we know that while you are actually just as busy with no races than with, dealing with staff "lay-offs", working out all the possible scenarios etc, could you just install/setup this equipment to have a 20min chat with us?
@@invisiblekid99 it should probably go : guys use headphones for the chat.
Not hard
These vodcasts are really great. Thank you to everyone involved.
Insightful and engaging discussion - best I've seen in F1 for awhile. Perhaps consider continuing these post Covid, too
the unity within F1 is great, I remember seeing force India team members running to get Williams team members away from the fire in the garage back in Spain, and then other teams lending Williams their team radio spares for the next race
Very impressed with Zac Brown. His idea to have say, best 13 races count (or lower) makes complete sense and releases pressure on teams to attend every race regardless of health issues.
The fans want to see the "lower teams" win more often. Indy car does this well. 5 different motor suppliers and 4 or 5 body styles. There answers are there in motorsport all over the world. Just look!
bmw, porsche, toyota, vw, hyundai, ford, gm... should be all attracted to compete to name but a few
But here's the thing, Indy racing, particularly ovals it's easier for those teams to sneak a win. If F1 had the same logic I think it will be harder for than to happen. OR it means the lower teams will luck into a win every now and then and I don't think they will want to rely on that. I think they will want to have the ability to try to add something to their advantage. I just don't see having the same car more or less is the answer for F1. Exciting racing adds fans and attracts sponsors, and I don't think that means running the same design.
I watch both sports, and I don't particularly want to watch two versions of the same model.
Indycar has 5 motor suppliers? Chevrolet, Honda... Chevrolet... Honda... Chev... yeap 5!
@@invisiblekid99 Half of Indycar races are circuit and they wouldn't be the same because Indycars are designed for both.
Great stuff Sky and all the team really interesting to see, a great positive to look forward to some F1 we can watch, would pay Sky again to see the coverage first :-)
Great stuff guys, very interesting, thank you.
If they could run without fans, then they would still need air-conditioners...
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@Ye P
Cmon Ye P...I havent even got to their impressive 2 stroke lawnmower inconel titanium exhaust sound yet!
They dont even compare with the placid note of a roaring v10 from the days of yore!
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@Ye P 😂
They would still turn up.
I love these kind of discussions. Three very established F1 figures looking at a way forward for F1 as a sport and as a business to become more sustainable and retain the current teams/invite new teams and to level competitiveness as much as reasonably possible. Hopefully this current global crisis allows the sport to reflect and come up with a better solution for the future. Long live F1!
So proud of how the f1 family have come together to help with manufacturing medical equipment and supplies. Thank you to every single of you. 🤗🥰🤗
Thanks for trying all you can Ross to give us fan's the best racing in the world and all your colleagues. Thanks Martin Zac (Mclaren rule my team 20yrs) and Simon for your time and all of you take care 🙂
They're trying to restart the season too fast. Even if you don't allow the fans to attend there are still hundreds of people having to travel to be able to organize the GP - team personnel, FIA, marshals, camera crews, journalists etc.
He addressed that issue.
Great Q & A. Nit picking: I didn't know they still made web cams that bad.
They are on every laptop
What's a decent webcam then?
@@andytaylor8802 The GoPros used on the cars.
Regarding escalating costs, how is expenditure controlled? Is there a special auditor that scrutinises the expenditures of teams?
I fail to see how it can be controlled. Someone please explain.
Fascinating insight and great questions. Thankyou sky f1
Got a question I’d like answered. After the Barcelona testing the teams were fresh and raring to go in Australia. Do you think for safety reasons if nothing else that there should be a shake down before the first race?
There will be, it's called FP 1, 2 and 3
@@techtipsuk Which are no longer aired on terrestrial TV in Britain, despite those sessions often being more interesting and educational than the races. Sky have already destroyed the enjoyment of the sport for most people here. I used to watch every session of almost every race, and had done for years. Nowadays, it's 'Meh. Was there a race highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday? Must have missed it. Where was it at? Maybe we'll catch the next race broadcast, in two races time.' Last year's season finished with most people only hearing about it from news headlines.
Thank you for this Liberty media and Formula 1
To be blunt, Formula 1 is taking the correct way to lose fans efficiently by not being aired in full on terrestrial TV.
In Britain, large numbers of people are reduced to either watching delayed 'edited highlights' of half of the annual races on Channel 4 or else becoming clandestine viewers of streams from other countries. The Practice sessions and Qualifying (often more interesting than the races) are only viewable legally by those who subscribe to Sky's second-rate and over-priced satellite TV and internet service, or who pay a premium price to watch via other online means.
The prices charged by Sky are extortionate for most people here. No way are large numbers of people able to pay an additional £600+ per year to watch very inefficient cars going around circles at high speed. There are much cheaper, and far more interesting, forms of motor sport which can be watched for nothing more than the annual terrestrial TV license fee, or for no other cost than using a terrestrial internet connection.
If F1 decides to go 'fanless', then they will lose me completely, along with millions of other long-term followers of the sport from all around the globe.
with Ferrari's insistence for a larger budget for engine producers why can't the team budget be set at £130m to include all costs engine/gearbox/chassis/ staff. Engine development can be done external to the team as with Honda/Red Bull and all other customer teams. That way all teams are "customer teams" and engine supply is by separate companies external to the race team budgetary restrictions.
if your thinking of running any races without the fans you seriously need to broadcast to everybody everywhere for free on the tv
Why?
When they're running races with fans there, the fans are paying. Why would a lack of paying public necessitate free broadcasts if *paying* public doesn't?
F1 has costs just as any other company. If they get less money in (and believe me; paying public brings in a *LOT* of money) then they need to earn it some other way.
And even more importantly: The tracks don't earn *anything* if there's no public. Those are the organisations that are hit the hardest. F1 needs to find some way to make sure the tracks don't go bankrupt....
I don't see any reason whatsoever for them to broadcast for free. I do see a lot of reason for them to look for different monetization options.
So, 19 races at Silverstone.
maybe they could throw a Donnington Park GP in there!
That would suit Hamilton just fine😄
You can do it Ross belive in your ability I know you are more than capable to bring in the cost cap and give us closer racing would also love more teams to join F1 hopefully a cost cap can give them the opportunity
Lewis: We have the best fans
The Grandstand: ...
To me it makes sense to race with no fans watching keep the sport going most watch on TV anyway
Most in Britain can no longer afford to watch full races on TV. Sky are expert ripoff merchants.
And without the gate income, many of the tracks would go bankrupt.
Obviously Liberty Media (owner of F1) would need to pay the tracks if they want to race without spectators.
Yeah but they're taking closed races. I wonder if the tracks will be given a reduction from their fees if they host w closed doors. Or what...?
in other sports the teams get appearence money. not sure a dnf gets paid?
At least, Bahrain and Abu Dhabi would survive as they don't have to rely on ticket sales.
They can easily organize a pay per view event for every race and split the profits with the tracks
Thank you for a great program
F1 must not loose its core, technical innovation leads to race winning. Indycars do not have the same essence, though i can appreciate Indycars for what they are, they are TOTALLY different to F1
I wish Sky Sports F1 would stop repeating the 2019 season. Can’t they go further back? There were some great races in the past I’d like to see again.
Kevin Amatt I agree with you 100%. They have all of the races since 2012. Why not show them?
Kevin Amatt Yeah, I wish they could show full races from 1995-2005 but I dunno who has the rights to those?
That was the best 10 year period in F1 IMO.
@@markotik2 it is all on F1 TV
Is this when F1 needs to bite the bullet and remove the ridiculous situation of Ferrari's veto?
Bullet the blue sky.
Thanks to Craig to 😊
Would the running of races without fans or closed races as Ross says be financially sound if there is no television money ?
Good discussion. As is normal, I agree with Mr. Brundle.
Why cant they run multiple races with the teams setup at Silverstone track? Most teams are local ad infrastructure is in place to make it happen and transmit the tv footage, so we could watch it. Silverstone is a great track.
Stephen Lane I’m with you. Just run a season at Silverstone with different setups. You probably run a race or two in London as well.
lsunav totally agree that would be very good and fan compelling.
One race in each direction, on two separate weekends would be enough to decide a championship, and would keep costs to a minimum. It would also ensure that F1 becomes fanless. Once that goal has been achieved, they could sell off the remaining embers of F1 to anyone who as the spare cash, and retire. Sorted.
I used to watch F1 but since it went to pay per view it lost all its appeal. It was something you could gouch out to on a Sunday rather than watch Eastenders. Became too elite and long winded.
Great interviews. Ros and Zak are very level headed. Ferarri... not known for being level headed. I hope ferarri recognize that if they insist on keeping their 'special treatment' then they'll ruin the sport, since the other teams will walk away. As they should.
I get Brawn points but i doubt they will make exceptions to f1. Olympics which were supposed to be held in august/september have been cancelled. Euro 20 was pushed to 2021 summer for same reasons. Even if we only have european races i dont see how this can work out. Italy/Spain/UK/France are leading the stats for covid infected. Are they going to held these races in Finland and Sweden midoctober when snow might be out. I dont think so.
Make two day races standard. Saturday practice, Sunday quali in the morning, race in the afternoon. Cars are in park firme anyway. Why the extra day?
F1 is not the only series at the track. There are multiple series at each event. Not enough time in the day
@@harrybond9516 the event can be 3 or 4 days but F1 participate in two days.
I also agree with Zac Brown as well as Brundle
If they do go ahead without any fans are they going to make it accessible to all fans on television without it costing the fans a fortune paying for it on sky sports, will they let other broadcasters who are interested show the races.
I doubt it. F1 will become just another inaccessible niche sport, in short order. They've been heading that way ever since Sky muscled in, waving their wadges of monopoly money in front of the eager eyes of Bernie Ecclestone. Now that he has retired, it's downhill all the way to the pits.
Maybe its time for F1 to get involve in funding organizations that are dedicated in fighting pandemics like this, because clearly a global sport like F1 has a lot to lose. With the organizations audience reach and financial might, it can make a huge difference.
Madison Villavert 7 UK based F1 teams are manufacturing healthcare equipment for the NHS. Or did you miss that bit in the news?
How can the circuits operate without fans? All the souvenirs, concessions stands that bring in a lot of money. All the corporate hospitality too. Would there also be a backlash against sponsors?
I am a big fan, but f1 has to be prepared to let the petulant upstart red bull and the old king Ferrari leave the sport. 125m cap and 750 staff per team is more than sufficient and restrictions bring ingenuity. Sadly the chances of haas or Renault having a great weekend and being on the podium are long since gone, sadly. We all remember the underdogs winning races, Jordan and co taking the risk to get the reward. F1 should return to that, remove the offsite data technicians and leave the decisions to the pit wall. The racing will be more unusual as the teams analysing every outcome will be gone. The teams that won’t follow Ross should be ashamed of themselves and leave the sport as clearly they are putting their own interests head of the sport. This man loves f1, knows his stuff and pulled off one of f1’s greatest stories in f1 as well as bringing championships in so many teams. Mercedes owe so much of their turbo hybrid era success to this mans knowledge and decisions. All teams know he knows his stuff so why are they not following him?
I stopped reading after you said Ferrari should leave Formula 1
Floyds high heels he didn’t say they should leave, he said f1 should be prepared for them to leave...
750 staff per team is beyond ridiculous. We had much more exciting racing in the days when a successful team could be not much larger than an engineer, a handful of assistants for the cars (two pairs swapping tyres and two refuelling) and a pair of drivers.
The only positive thing about today's races is that they are far safer than they used to be. 25 people per team is more than enough to allow for a couple of designer/engineers, two tacticians, a small team of good mechanics and two drivers. Then their annual spend would be mostly on the cars. The additional 725 to 1000+ unnecessary staff and their office/transport/accommodation costs are the real drain on resources today.
Sure, pit stops would take longer, but since it would be a level playing field, that would not detract from the sport in any way. Efficiency of each member of the pit crew would become even more important than it is today.
Can we have the full grid racing on sims at each circuit? The drivers love to drive and practice, what are they all doing right now? Are they busy?
Ben's Harp Club check out the F1 channel, they’ve been running virtual races on Sky Sports and ESPN2
@@nateh9507 Yes I've seen some of this and the number of F1 drivers is increasing - I think there is one on Sunday at 8. I just wonder why the teams don't just say you are all racing as normal on the right circuits for the calendar but on the sims that you continually use. Can't be that hard to set up - unless the drivers can't reach the sims I guess.
I hope that they can start it will be strange no F1 season at all this year but there is no Wimbledon this year
@bsrlbck2013 Yes Wrestle mania 36 took place behind closed doors it was pre recorded in late March
I think they got the two best people to talk to
Too many 2's 😛
Get a better mic and record audio locally.
Have they mentioned anything about ticket refunds? I might have missed it.
Yep... Dropping your worst two races would be great to tackle this issue.
You should get everyone to record these locally during the call and then put it together - better quality and you won't get the audio dropouts.
Very interesting time for F1 and the rest of the world. Some good insight here.
Most f1 teams are based in the uk, bring the foreign teams to the uk via an appropriate isolation procedure, then de rate the cars so the Grand Prix can be run at donning ton, thruxton combe hill and all the other minor circuits, the U.K. Fans may also be able to attend too.
Or should they postpone until 2021 and let them develop as all teams are running at a loss. That is the $130m question?
With no one using the roads. Just do an M1 motorway race. Flat out for a few hundred miles Lol 😂
Tyre wear wouldn’t be an issue lol
Matt Leary true Matt eco friendly one up on formula E
😂 would be mental. The whole field slip streaming/drafting each other and continuously for a few hundred. Highest mph through the tolls gets a couple of bonus points
David Izod haha 😂 they need to Sim this idea, that alone would be fun to watch. Pit stop and an M&S sandwich at the services lol 😂
@@allenmoore7735 M&S Ploughmans and a Dr Pepper. Sponsorship covered. Onto a winner there
NFL has a cost cap, but the New England Patriots have been perennial powerhouses.
Ferrari’s views are unrealistic these days. They’re a luxury performance car manufacturer, whereas most of the teams aren’t and therefore don’t have the warchest to finance R&D.
Ferrari need to conform and align with all the other teams to help safeguard the future of F1, sadly at this time their mentality is selfish and blinkered.
Agree. I do think they have some grounding in their view though. They do manufacture every element of their car. Most of the other teams don't. In fact there's only Mercedes that do. Big difference being a manufacturer to being a customer team like Hass for example.
Remember that the name 'Ferrari' is the Italian equivalent to the name 'Smith'.
'I drive a Smith Redhead.' (Ferrari Testarossa.) doesn't sound so grand, does it?
If the points are weighed by team budget I believe that will drive down the cost. That is if, say Mercedes scores a win it gets them point less than what say Williams would for the same win.
Zak Brown should be working with Ross Brawn at F1. They would make an amazing partnership
It’s about time those involved in the ‘sport’ realised that without a public there would be absolutely no point in Formula One in the modern world!
New world.... karting only.... cheaper.. rotax max 125 🤗
If it can go on tv do it
Massively reduce costs to attract another dozen teams, works n independents and create F1/2. i.e relegation and a second division of F1 and scrap F2. Two races at weekend so no extra venue issues and more for the fans. Also league 2 race on a saturday with bmw n toyota aiming for promotion is far more attractive to sponsors than any f2 or equivalent
Last time someone besides the top three won: March 2013 - Kimi with Lotus Renault
Yes, this is not sustainable. Time to change the formula. Separate the race teams from the manufacturing arms of the non customer teams so the racing team budgets are the same at least.
F1 should realise that close racing is the key they can all save millions with closely matched cars and loads of racing look BTC and moto gp!!
F1 is by far the biggest and most successful motorsport series and it's because they have always had the fastest and most advanced cars.
philip mcdonald The two series you mention are small beer in TV audience terms so I’m not sure you are right.
David Macdonald not really moto go tv audiences where 400miillion compared to f1 of 500 million and the costs for that I’m sure aren’t on in the £300 million region if you look at the people who go to the tracks especially in Europe it 100 thousand plus in a lot of the tracks in Europe
johnj they have if you took the top six out they would still have the fastest most advanced cars so when Williams racing point and hass and Renault drop out because of cost there would be much of a race series left
Ferrari is only one team and perhaps they have had their day and let Ross drive the sport back to how it used to be with the championship being decided with the final race.
Zak is amazing
International travel being a prerequisite, _F1_ is one of the sports least likely to have a 2020 season. Like many other sports, the underpinning economics and logistics will have to be reviewed to ensure sustained profitability post-pandemic.
I hope _Ross Brawn_ and his team can find and implement measures to restore actual competitive racing to the sport over the coming years.
*R.I.P. Sir Stirling Moss. A legend in the proper sense of the word.*
Let's hope this so called budget cap is adhered to by all teams, no names no back drill !!!!!!!. No loyalty monies for teams for example"............
Last race winner outside top 3 must have been Maldonado in 2012?
Lewis Clarke Kimi Räikkönen 2013 Australia for Lotus (now Renault)
It already does. That why they overheat if they sit on the start line for too long.
Ross Brown solution for making F1 popular. 1.Regulate to stop any and all all innovation. 2.Punish all winners with reverse grid. 3. Create a regulation to make sure the best driver doesn’t win 4. Start a system of voting for FIA to vote who should be the world champion 5. Make sure there is a regulation ensures there is different champion each year.
You say you are making F1 easier for fans to access the races. But really you are taking it away from hardcore fans like me. I can’t afford sky sports I don’t have sky because I can’t afford it. I’m not happy watching high lights on channel 4. I want ALL RACES LIVE on BBC or channel 4
Totally agree.
Lot of smart people in formula 1. Great discussion.
I can live without either Ferrari or Mercedes if they will continue to be recalcitrant about maintaining their financial advantage. After a while, with an equal playing field, new hero's will emerge. Then Mercedes and Ferrari might come back if they didn't like it at first. If they don't, then they can find a different series to participate in. Like a bigger investment in Le Mans, for example.
You guys are 100% correct one aspect is America will never gain the high dollar interest without real competition..... Zac though I like Ferrari I agree with u
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It's a bit of a conundrum (the $ cap) between being the ultimate in automotive tech and keeping a robust competitive field. As a Machinist/CNC Programmer I have floated around the 80k mark for a few years (28yrs exp). If you consider this level of experience/wage as nominal, meaning that mechanics/pit crew are earning less but engineering and management on the plus side, this puts the team salary at around 65 million (800-850 on payroll). Travel and lodging for a season at 25 million. Raw material and process, manufacturing infrastructure and just keeping the lights on at least 20 million means putting the cost at around 110m to survive. To pay the shareholders and keep in the black 150m is the bare minimum a team would need to get by. Seems low to me. These are all layman estimates. I would love to hear some real world figures but I know for sure you'd have to bleed out an F1 exec to get the real truth.
if ferrari left the sport would get on so much better in the long term.
F1 model of fairplay budget control is brilliant teams should be self sustainable
So potentially the French Grand Prix could host the 1st race, 26th June. So does that mean the races that follow (Austria, Britain and Hungary) will follow suit. And does that mean that spectators wont attend a race until Spa or a rearranged race between that?
I don't believe so. This season will not happen.
Obviously people's health comes first but, it would be amazing if they could do races "behind closed doors"!!
Always one that cant mute their mic
Would be nice, but Travel Restrictions might pose a problem....especially the China GP! Don't see anything, other than past GP reruns on the tube continuing for quite awhile!
it would be very cool if they had a make up race that involved identical go karts. they did it before as a publicity stunt in the senna/prost days. not expensive at all and just as entertaining to watch.
Instead of lowering the budget they should be looking of ways to increase that of the lower teams
Is the point of Formula 1 for the Best Team to win or the best driver to win? Is that not another question to ask? Why not have one engine,one chassis,same tyres also more open regulation with that.As many fuel stops and as many tyre stops as each driver wants.
this video makes sense !!!!
F1 usually runs with no actual racing... so if it can survive that, having no fans present shouldn't be an issue
Could we not do a couple of races which are closed to fans from Silverstone similar to Touring cars and with a race where one weekend we do it clockwise and the next weekend anti-clockwise. Perhaps there should be a cap on driver's pay as it seems obscene that drivers can earn pay that most of the fans would never earn in a lifetime. Yes they risk their lives and they are very talented but some teams the car is the dominant factor. The F1 I grow up with such as Lotus in the 1960's and 70's we had exciting races and as Zac said the racing was exciting when we had unexpected conditions. For the last few years the racing has been boring with 3 teams dominant at the top. We need the cars to be the same and the budget cap would give that the teams need a level playing field and that means a cap on teams which must include everything.
And they could let teams use whatever engine or motor they choose to use, petrol, gas, diesel or electric, so long as it and its fuel supply fit into a specific chassis size, remains within a specified annual engine and support budget, and does not unduly endanger the drivers of any team. Refuelling or battery replacement should be allowed, but a defined minimum time should be taken for that procedure. That would be really interesting!
If it's the safest way. For both the health of everyone involved and the financial situation for the teams. I am fine with this.
Everyone, in every industry, is having to make compromises where health is a priority, and assuring the future lively hood of an individual is also a priority. For F1, racing without fans is the safest option
The very global nature of formula 1 and the amount of travel involved makes it virtually impossible to restart in three next 6 months with the whole world locked down. They should refocus their short term energy getting a proper esports series set up with all drivers involved.