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Staeck Endler Breeding Update - Aquarium Fish & Fishkeeping Channel
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2023
- Hi, and welcome back to the fish room. In today's video, we wanted to give you an update on our Staeck endler line. If you have been watching our channel, you will know we had a one-in-a-million male appear from one of our aquariums a few years ago.
We hope you are enjoying your fishkeeping hobby :)
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Personally I don't think any animal/fish should be bred withi incest. It's just wrong! Like the breeding of so called English white rabbits with black spots in a certain pattern. That idea came from the imagination of a painter. And rabbit breeders harken to it. Totally ridiculous. All that inbreeding leads to abnormalities. Not acceptable in human terms. So why should it be acceptable with breeders in general whether animal or fish. It's unnecessaryly unnatural. Sorry but I much prefer the luck of the draw in variation.
Thank you for your input, Jessica. Your comment has been very insightful and will inspire me to write an article on this topic for our website. I appreciate your contribution to the video.
While I understand the concerns around inbreeding in fish, it's worth noting that inbreeding is a common occurrence, both in nature and especially in aquarium hobby, whether we are conscious of it or not.
For instance, consider the hypothetical scenario where you introduce five black male guppies and five white female guppies into an aquarium. The first generation will indeed not be interbred, but from the second generation onward, inbreeding becomes inevitable unless there's a systematic removal of every newborn. After a year or two, you'd end up with a population that is highly inbred, even though you haven't selectively bred them for specific traits.
However, it's crucial to distinguish between inbreeding that results in harmful physical deformities and those that don't negatively affect the quality of life for the fish. In this regard, I do agree that selectively breeding for certain traits, like in some fancy goldfish varieties, where it impedes their health and well-being, is a practice that should be discouraged.
Additionally, consider a real-life case. We have been fortunate enough to acquire a group of Bandula Barbs, a species currently listed as vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. We acquired these fish to contribute to the preservation of the species in the face of their impending extinction. Given the circumstances, I believe this kind of inbreeding is not only acceptable but also necessary for their survival.
Moreover, I argue that most fish species in the hobby are inbred to some degree. Even if you acquire fish from different stores, they often source their stock from the same wholesalers who, in turn, rely on the same breeders. Even in the case of wild-caught fish, one cannot guarantee that the scattered eggs aren't fertilized by siblings.
In conclusion, while inbreeding should not be promoted without consideration, it's often an unavoidable part of captive breeding. It's important to strike a balance, being mindful of potential health risks. I believe the best approach is to manage the breeding responsibly, especially when it can contribute to the preservation of endangered species and when it doesn't result in traits that compromise the fish's health and quality of life.
Thanks again for your comment it is appreciated, even if we agree to disagree :)
yeah...I agree w/you...inbreeding animals to further the line is just blatant money grab/neglect of animals for the sole purpose of monetary gains. Yeah it happens in nature but the inbred animals usually don't survive.
I believe that there should be NO excuse to inbreed an animal...and the ONLY reason it's done is for money. It's not even done to preserve an endangered species...because it reduces the animals lifespan and fertility....
When inbreeding IS done it's for is a very useful tool in the field of animal breeding cuz it enables the biologist to uncover and eliminate harmful recessive genes within the population.
@Aquadiction it's true I just started my tanks end July and all my research has shown that it's hard. I try going directly to breeders instead of stores now so I can try and diversify as much as possible. But I will never truly be able to.
We don’t sell fish though, in fact we give them away for free to other hobbyists…no money grabbing needed here 💁
@Aquadiction I "sell" to my lfs it's more of credit and we trade
Beautiful. They seem to have more red than the previous groups.
stunning endlers marcus! great looking , even the less desireable are quite nice. very good job youve done with this line⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐thank you as well anne marie!
Hey Jeff,
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you're liking the endlers. it's awesome to hear you think even the less conventional ones are looking good. Appreciate the high praise! :)
And a shout out to Anne-Marie for allowing the madness of the fishroom in the first place lol, thanks buddy!
I think you are making headway! All of them are beautiful....even the ones that are not making the breeding cut. The colors and patterns are lovely!
Thanks for your feedback on how we are progressing with this Audra, we appreciate it 👍👍
beautiful strain keep improving them
Thanks for the encouragement! We're definitely dedicated to improving and refining them more if we can (try anyway). Your support means a lot, thanks again. Stay tuned to see how they progress!
Those are VERY good looking fish.
Thanks bud, appreciate the comment, they are def improving with time :)
Great update on some very amazing endlers.... Now you got me missing mine... Great lol.
Thanks brother, endlers are great it’s just a shame the female are so meh 🫤
Nice work guys they look great
You're doing wonderful with your Staecks development! I have a small family of them I adore - the dad is just so beautiful and his son's are coming into their colors now so I'm excited to see how they look. Interestingly, my Staecks give me the most males per generation compared to my Blue Moscow Guppies and my Yellow Tiger Endlers and my mutt guppies where I get very few males.
Thanks for the feedback! It's great to hear that your Staecks are doing well and the young ones are starting to show their colors - that's always an exciting stage.
That's an interesting observation about the male to female ratio in your Staecks compared to your other guppies. It's fascinating how these things can vary across different strains.
Appreciate you sharing your experience. :)
I don't do breeding projects, but I've heard it can take some lines years and years to stabilize. Looks like you are making headway though. Beautiful endlers. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for your thoughts on how this is working out GIgi, it’s appreciated! Hopefully we aren’t still making progress videos on this strain in another 5 years lol! But if it takes that long it takes that long i guess, one day we will have a success story, hopefully lol thanks again bud
The little male @ 1:58 with the 1 small spot and that electric blue striping in the tail 😢😢 absolutely stunning and I want one now. I really want some endlers with that neon/ vibrant blue coloration. Being shade colorblind, blues show up for me so much better than the orange/red❤
Appreciate your comment! That little guy at 1:58 really catches the eye, doesn't he?!
Totally get why you're after some endlers with the same bright blue. Makes a lot of sense with the color blindness (sorry to hear that). I'd say maybe Blue Star endlers but they are a really dark dark blue for the most part with shades of lighter blue! Guess you must be a cardinal tetra fan?
It looks to me like you're definitely making some progress.
Hey Mark,
Appreciate the feedback bud. We'll keep doing our best to improve them. Thanks for sticking around and watching our progress, its appreciated :)!
Hello. Great video! I have had an opportunity to talk to mr Staeck and he said that in general this strain is naturally extremelly variable but most people prefer to select for two dots. Orginally fishes that he brough back was very, very variable.
Hey, thanks for sharing that with us its really appreciated and confirms what we have been finding ourselves over the years, we were lucky to get some of the first available from Germany going way back now, I always suspected they maybe hybrids but this helps with my own personal understanding especially as the info about them being variable came from Staeck himself! Thanks again for sharing this info with us, def something to keep in mind and perhaps edit our Staeck profile on our site with the info at some point!!
@@Aquadiction if you share the e-mail I can send you photos of original strain's main 4 phenotypes I have received from Dr Staeck some time ago :).
@maxiguppy can you email us through our website here aquadiction.world via the contact form? If we leave our email publicly bots pick it up and spam us to death, is that okay buddy? Would you like them put on our website page about the staeck endlers here aquadiction.world/species-spotlight/staeck-endler/ we can water mark with your name? Thanks man, always loved this strain of endler!!
Nice video. Great footage of those endlers, absolutely amazing! 👍New sub here.
Thanks for the sub buddy
, Aquafinity… that’s a great name! Without checking I’m going to guess you must have a channel (now I’m going to check)
Gorgeous
Thanks for the comment ❤️
Wowww these are amazing the markings really are like double monocle or a cool pair of shades 😎 I’d love to breed my own strain someday, right now I have black bar, Japan blue, and yellow snakeskin… all males lol…
Thanks for the comment buddy! I'm glad you appreciate the unique markings - "a cool pair of shades" is a great way to describe it haha!
Sounds like you've got an interesting mix with the black bar, Japan blue, and yellow snakeskin. All males though, huh? Breeding your own strain is a fun project for sure, how come you have no females? Hard to find in your area?
Nice
Thanks for the support bud :)
Wow...well first of they're absolutely stunning. Secondly, the amount of time and research yall put in to just this one project is admirable...well done
Thanks buddy, they are a lot of work but if we get them how we want them will be worth it as a nice little project! Thanks again for the support 👍👍
they look cohesive to me love the reds, sounds like a lot of work to get to this point. culling them must be really hard choice
Thanks for the feedback buddy! Culling any of these as in terms of ending them isn’t an option so we put all the culls in a separate tank and will be giving them away for sure! Never had to cull any of our other strains ever, such a shame these are so variable 🫤
@@Aquadiction o yeah i didn't mean that sort of culling, i didn't think you would, i just meant to whittle them down to your best as they all looked nice. It it what it is with breeding for a certain characteristic not every fish will make the cut.. but glad to know they get a new home. a pretty fish will always find a home 😜
No worries bud, think we need a new word for culling in the fish hobby as it makes you me think of flushing them or something, we did try using culls as feeders for our leporinus about six months back but we now have a whole breeding colony of culls in there that seem to be completely untouched, very strange
Do you by chance sell your endlers and guppies
Sometimes but not that often TBH but should do more, what are you looking for and are you in the UK?