What can apes can teach us about gender? | Frans de Waal

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  • @Simpaulme
    @Simpaulme 2 роки тому +3

    De Waal has straightforward answers to the questions!

  • @katynewt
    @katynewt 2 роки тому +6

    What other primates can teach us is that we've lost the plot with this labelling game.

  • @DoggieFosters
    @DoggieFosters 2 роки тому +13

    On labeling:
    There was a time when we were consciously working toward completely accepting "gender non-conforming" behaviour. Freeing little girls & boys, men & women, gay & straight from restrictive sex roles & sex stereotypes (aka gender). This was called gender abolitionism.
    NOW, gender identity ideology has been a regressive leap backwards...decades & decades backwards.
    Sex is male & female. Regressive gender is "masculine" & "feminine". When "woman" is redefined from the material reality, a simple state of being female with the needs & challenges inherent, to a subjective, unfalsifiable, counterfactual sexist idea in a man's head, we are undermining _everything_ we had fought for.
    We are sterilizing overwhelmingly same-sex attracted & autistic children because they do not fit these once-again rigid gender categories.
    My god people, wake up! Genderism is 180° flip upside-down & backwards for both gay rights & women's rights.
    Also, "No evidence" of perpetrating violence:
    In UK prisons, 3% of women are incarcerated for sex crimes, 19% of men, 50% of trans-identified males (aka men professing a special gender "identity".) Either there is a problem with sexual violence among this population (we know there are extreme levels of paraphilia, and paraphilias cluster) OR in this ideology, predatory males have found a delightful cover as sacred-caste who cannot be questioned & an easy way to access their targets.

    • @Pau-tc9wj
      @Pau-tc9wj 2 роки тому +1

      Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing this out. I'm totally with you but couldnt express it like you have.

    • @bo_trilly
      @bo_trilly 2 роки тому +2

      As per your first rant, you can have whatever opinions you like. I'm both gay & female and I super disagree with you. But as per the study you cited regarding 50% trans women committing sex crimes, that's false. The count of trans people in prisons doesn't even include trans people with Gender Recognition Certificates (which in itself takes around 5 years to get), nor does it count trans people who haven't informed the prison that they're trans, nor does it differentiate between trans men and trans women. It only counts trans prisoners who have had a case conference, something that is more likely for long-term prisoners because it's not worth the time & effort for a short stay. Long-term prisoners are usually the ones who commit more egregious offences, like sexual violence, because those hold higher sentences. Long-term prisoners are the ones having case conferences. The data is highly skewed towards violent/sexual offence.

    • @DoggieFosters
      @DoggieFosters 2 роки тому

      @@bo_trilly Learn to read. I did not contend 50% of all trans-identified males are predators. I reported the findings that 50% of trans-identified males in UK prison are there for convictions for sexual predation. Men, no matter their pseudoreligious claims of special "gender" souls, do not belong in female safe spaces. Full stop. The data does differentiate between trans 8d males & trans id females - despite the best efforts extremists to obf7scate & corrupt proper data collection.
      You talk a good game, ideologue.
      Good day.

  • @furtwangler5283
    @furtwangler5283 2 роки тому +21

    "Everyone who deviates from the accepted labels is in trouble"
    The opposite is true.
    Anyone who fails to endorse the latest deviation is accused of 'hate crime'.

    • @anecdotal_mattybs5435
      @anecdotal_mattybs5435 2 роки тому +10

      You’re misunderstanding what he says. Aka, you’re making a political point off a segment that has nothing to do with what you say.

    • @kartickshaw5652
      @kartickshaw5652 Рік тому

      Only accused not killed

    • @afusa1765
      @afusa1765 Рік тому

      That’s what you perceive because of the media you consume. A quick reality check would allow you to realise that those who are in favour of deviations from traditional standards/values actually make up the minority of the world’s population.

  • @JevonMusicGroup
    @JevonMusicGroup 2 роки тому +5

    When did Matt Walsh get a British accent?!

    • @bo_trilly
      @bo_trilly 2 роки тому

      Wait, why are you likening the interviewer to Matt Walsh? Did I miss something?

    • @JevonMusicGroup
      @JevonMusicGroup 2 роки тому +1

      @@bo_trilly Yes. They look a lot alike.

    • @Diamoondust
      @Diamoondust Рік тому

      ​@@JevonMusicGroup not really tbh lol

  • @anteeko
    @anteeko 2 роки тому +5

    Not being from english culture I am always fascinated by the obsession to label everything in tiny little boxes.
    From my point of view this obsession seems to be particularly high in the english culture.

    • @toobalkain
      @toobalkain Рік тому +2

      that's not an English thing, our mind is wired to categorize things, much easier to operate.

    • @anteeko
      @anteeko Рік тому

      @@toobalkain "that's not an English thing, our mind is wired to categorize things, much easier to operate."
      I find that tendancy more extreme in the english culture.

    • @Diamoondust
      @Diamoondust Рік тому +1

      ​@@anteeko That doesn't make it correct lol

    • @fluorescentadolescent2640
      @fluorescentadolescent2640 11 місяців тому +1

      Id like to know where you from where this doesn't happens lol

    • @anteeko
      @anteeko 11 місяців тому

      latin languages don't do it as much@@fluorescentadolescent2640

  • @jgp8314
    @jgp8314 6 місяців тому

    We are primates. How do you miss that?

  • @ilirllukaci5345
    @ilirllukaci5345 2 роки тому

    What is equal? I don't understand.

  • @duckcensorship7446
    @duckcensorship7446 2 роки тому +5

    They can tell us that there are only two of them!! That and Banana's are awesome!

  • @abitofapotato
    @abitofapotato 2 роки тому

    What are can apes?

    • @roberttaylor5997
      @roberttaylor5997 2 роки тому

      .
      Small pieces of bread or pastry with a savoury topping, for example smoked salmon can apes.

  • @JonathanSwiftUK
    @JonathanSwiftUK 2 роки тому +1

    Last could of thousand years you say? Sounds like organised religion, Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Which religions, if any, around in the last few thousand years, also subjugated women, and more importantly which did not. If it was happening before Christianity that was from Judaism, but that took some of its doctrines from Babylonia and Zoroastrianism - it's accepted that Judaism and thus Christianity, and Islam, too a lot of their beliefs from this,

  • @Simpaulme
    @Simpaulme 2 роки тому

    Why do you both speak as if humans are NOT primates?

    • @tommasog7596
      @tommasog7596 Рік тому

      they are literally saying the opposite