Just another reason why I side-eye the people who say “But he goes to CHURCH!” Ma’am? So do priests…along with a whole congregation that will cover up their nasty deeds. Going to church doesn’t make anyone a good person.
Absolutely this. All the churchy people I've known throughout my life were the biggest hypocrites on earth. Even the nice ones who didn't try to force their religions down other people's throats would still do all the things that you're not supposed to do as a christian. ( case in point: a good friend at uni who drank and partied with me, and who would have one night stands frequently). By now if someone says "oh, but he goes to church!" I'll know to give him a wide berth.
@@3leggedsharkkickssurferinballs Well, serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven since he converted to Christianity while his unrepentant victims will burn in hell.
I went to his mom and dad's church for awhile. They still believe in his innocence . Their blindness to reality maybe part of why he could blind himself to his own reality .
The early childhood indoctrination of children with overpowering “religious” values and practices. I think this results in a notable backlash in adult/family life; I’ve noticed a connection over the decades.
@@cdd4248 If I were a serial killer, murdered puppies, and committed arson, my mother would cry in court+ beg judge for clemency like I was an angel…She’d state my credentials, career, positives attributes, Lutheran schooling [gotta’ throw in some religion to judge] etc like it matters.That’s what a lot of moms do. Major denial
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn exactly! When I was growing up, my mother always told me it was always the woman or girl’s fault even though in high school all the boys did was pressure girls for sex constantly. And when a woman gives in they say she should have kept her legs closed. 🤮
this channel has me feeling like there are way too many people, usually men, who feel that killing their entire family is somehow better than getting a divorce
@@bthomson I don't know, since almost 100% of the time they end up in jail for 30+ years. They must be so narcissistic that they truly believe they get away with it. Ita bizarre
This is one thing I will never understand. Like somehow he, and I say that because they're invariably men, think that they are their family's entire world and they wouldn't be able to survive without him in it. I just don't get it.
Everytime I turn around there's another man killing his spouse or family. I'm super happy with my decision to live alone!! Probably prolonged my life for 20 years😳
@@karenhenderson3868 if it makes you feel any better, I've been with my wife for 12 years and we have 3 kids, never crossed my mind to kill any of them.
It’s crZy how much alike these two cases are. I think it’s because of social media and all the videos shannan made. Not to mention the amount of discovery was made to public
I can't imagine how someone can kill their own children. By strangulation no less! It takes quite a while to kill a person that way. This guy was a heartless and evil person. All because he didn't want to jeopardize his piddling job and wanted to have a new sex partner!
I remember one case where the father lifted up the nightclothes of his kids to stab them with a knife and a screwdriver bc there weren't stab marks on their clothes. Can't even imagine something so horrific. Then he claimed some weird hippies came in and did it. It was after the Sharon tate murders.
Thank you for this video. The part where I hear that Colman murdered his son’s is the part where I view Colman as an abomination, inhuman. To kill any other innocent human being is a cruel and barbaric action, but, to take the life of one’s own children is beyond words. His brain obviously doesn't contain any level of empathy. In my opinion, Coleman should never be allowed to be free amongst society. I believe him to be a unpredictable dangerous creature.
Christopher Coleman was my neighbor! I was like 8 when it all went down and I remember my brother asked why one of his kids wasn’t on the bus. F-ed up. I Still live in Columbia Illinois to this day
This is proof that criminal activity (especially homicide) has broad repercussions in the community. Children have to live with knowledge that can effect them for life.
I agree. The fact that Chris Watts drove his living daughters out to the oil field with their dead mother's body is particularly heinous. We also know more about what interactions Chris had with the girls because he confessed.
That’s like determining who was worse Hitler or Stalin? Let’s just agree they were both horrible evil monsters. This monster wrote expletives on his sons bodies.
I think Chris Watts is more well known because there is a lot of interview footage to look at (police interview and interviews on the news). I've never seen any of Chris Coleman
No matter how terrible the cases being analyzed are, your sense of humor makes me laugh. Lol The grammar bit was GOLD. Thank you for the priceless content you provide.
You are correct. I’ll add white and attractive wives are more notable in the media. Laci was stunning and Shannan was attractive and vivacious. IMHO both Laci and Shannan were more attractive than their husbands mistresses.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening while on a time-travelling, barbed wire gurney like this. @05:12
it’s like. in chris watt’s case, you can’t even say like he was scared she would take the kids or wouldn’t let him see them if they divorced. he hated those kids enough to drive them somewhere before murdering them, and then throw them into oil tanks. he’s a monster
if you watch his interview (there’s a 3 part series on JCS criminal psychology’s account that i really recommend because it shows stuff the Netflix doc didn’t) the only time he talks about memories he has with the kids he’s talking about things that you know annoyed him. like them making a mess or being noisy, and you can almost hear the contempt in his voice when he’s saying it. it’s really disturbing
I think the Watts case gets so much more attention than the Coleman one because Shannan had so much social media content that focused on how happy her family was.
@@thedarlingofdirling she was putting on a fake front because she needed the attention and it was to sell that thrive stuff. Never buy anybody’s fake Facebook front
Yeah I mean it's that but it's also the fact that he so cruelly and heinously dispose of his whole family's bodies in an oil field that he worked in...THAT is literally the only thing that sets apart this case from any of the other endless family annihilator cases. Just saying.
There are lots of similarities between these cases but one major difference is that Coleman still maintains his innocence whereas Watts has confessed to his murders. As an interesting side note, Coleman is incarcerated in the same Wisconsin prison as Watts.
Saw this case on 48 Hours a few years back. The murderers who kill their own children because they stand in the way of their desired lifestyle are to me the most horrifying of all.
“A ‘time traveling barbed-wire gurney’ - wish they would stop making those.” LOL, only Doc Grande’s occasional injection of humor can get me through listening to these mind boggling murder stories.🤯
One of the worst "family annihilators" I'd heard of was Mary Ann Cotton in Victorian England. Think it was between 18 and 21 proven poisoned by her, mostly her kids and stepkids. She was all in it for the money and the thrill of a new romance. A few docs on YT about her, but Martina Cole's Lady Killers episode on her is probably the most in depth without being too sensational.
If I was married to someone who I thought might kill me, certainly to the extent that I'd tell a third party that if I die in suspicious circumstances, my spouse did the deed, I would be out of there. Why does anyone hang around in such a circumstance? They must have some other options besides waiting around, wondering when they might be killed by their spouse.
I been in that . It feels like you're helpless, hopeless, and there is no way out. Litterally for many others, a body bag is the only way out. Truthfully, the harder you try to get away, they come track you down. Idk is very difficult to get away from period.
I am amazed by the people thinking they can outsmart investigators and get away with crimes like this. Hubris? Desperation? Dumbness? All of the above? Just, wow.
“This was a time travelling, barbed wire gurney. I don’t know why they keep making those things.” 🤣😂🤣 “He started by murdering grammar, and moved up from there.” 🤣😂🤣 *edit* Ladies… DON’T 👏 DATE 👏 MARRIED 👏 MEN 👏
It never fails to amaze me that I can laugh out loud in the middle of hearing a story about some hideously gruesome crime... but almost inevitably, I do. The dry humor is a welcome relief! And BTW: Chris Coleman does not exactly seem like a genius; impossible to believe, but her really thought he was going to get away with this. Thanks, Dr. Grande.
Yeah, the amount of bodycam and interrogation footage in the Chris Watts case must be what put it over the top. Audiences love watching guilty people squirm.
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I watched the bodycam footage quite a bit. I wanted to see why the cops thought it was him
In both cases, the relationship between the woman and her in-laws was strained. I wonder if that was a psychological factor in the minds of the murderers when justifying their own actions to themselves. The parents were probably trying to support their son in some way, while he ended up killing his own children. What a senseless waste.
It is amazing, Dr Grande, how you can take such a somber event and make it so entertaining!! Your sense of humor and timing is subtle and spot on. It takes me a minute to realize what you did, that I always have to "rewind" to catch it AND then be able to move on in the story with you. You're a MASTER at it!!
I think the Watts case has more notoriety and coverage because of their online presence and the huge amount of videos we can see, making them more relatable 🤷♀️ btw, love the jokes!
Chris Coleman's preacher parents don't think their son killed his wife and THEIR GRANDSONS, but if he did, it was because she was a bad wife. They're creepy as hell. BTW, I just realized that Joyce Meyer looks like the Joker. One too many facelifts I guess.
And because of the *WAY* chris murdered his baby girls, too.. Why do they even have "death row" when no one ever gets put to death at all - Not even BTK, Dahmer, Ridgeway or anyone else we know for sure did it. I hate that they are offered "deals" - I understand why they offer them, so they can find the bodies, but they should still put them to death. China puts people to death just for stealing!
@@BucketHeadianHagg I mean, Bundy and plenty of others have been put to death. A lot of people think the death penalty is barbaric…America is the only first world country that even implements the death penalty. It’s incredibly controversial and political.
Sheri was my cousin’s daughter, its hard to say much, i was told Joyce Meyer was a friend of chris’s father. You did a good job evaluating the case. It still hurts like it happened yesterday. ‘Chris’s brother is a prison guard
Happy 4th Dr Grande! This was another interesting case-it bothers me that someone can go from apparently no criminal activity to murdering one’s entire family. The lack of warning signs is particularly disturbing.
You know, I bet there are always warning signs if they are noticed and heeded! He was having the affair and swearing and drinking in excess! He also seemingly had money problems at $100,000 a year!
Dr. GRANDE I hope you know how much we enjoy that your background arrangement is different each video, just another element to look forward to when you post a new video!!!:)
These are always informative and I appreciate every one of them that you do. And I'm especially grateful for the humor you inject into these. The time traveling barbed wire gurney is my favorite so far. I know the actual subjects are not funny, I sure do appreciate your approach
It’s so despicable that he called his neighbour to go and discover his dead family to try and keep his alibi of being at the gym. If the death penalty should be applied, it’s for cases like this.
It’s actually wasn’t possible in this case since Illinois ended capital punishment in 2011. Even then, it’s a very long and drawn out process, not to mention it also more expensive due to the appeals and having to pay more for the defense
You’re looking at it the wrong way. Just because there’s seemingly no benefit to you and I doesn’t mean there wasn’t one for this pos. Animals like this always justify their actions somehow.
But the perpetrator will always perceive real or imagined benefits until they actually kill at a later time, then have to pay far more than bargained for committing the crime.
People who strangle children shouldn't be able to get letters in prison, let alone send out advice. Hopefully this deters anyone thinking about mate copying, or working for televangelists. It's sad that people think murder is an option, ever...let alone the option they choose.
For me, the Chris Watts case was more interesting because of the abundance of Facebook video and the police cams. Also their home was so pristine. It was just so unbelievably organized and clean.
Me too! Like he definitely murdered his Grammar before murdering his wife and two kids? Maybe his parents should of taught him proper English and proper spelling 1st before teaching him to speak in TONGUES! 🤷♀️ 🤦♀️
Was unfamiliar with Coleman's crimes. Looked him up online and found his beautiful family and wish them Godspeed. Truly thankful for the gravitas, judicious tone, and brilliant analysis that you bring to this and all your discussions.
"...without natural affection..." Interesting comparison. I can't imagine seeking spiritual advice from a murderer, especially one who killed his family.
His sarcasm is the best! He makes me chuckle with his super straight face. I find his analysis of the crimes reviewed in depth and clinical. I almost feel smarter for listening.
Dr. Grande, I think the reason the Watts case caught the zeitgeist and not the Coleman case is because of the Netflix special, the fact their lives were captured on video like a movie from their wedding forward, the strong social media presence and appeal of Shanann and the kids, and lastly, the horrifying manner of the disposal of the remains. The Coleman case has none of these characteristics despite the similarity of the crimes.
This Watts case was huge from day one. As soon as Chris did his sermon on the porch interview, it went viral. The case was all over the news and social media after that. This case has been huge on FB and YT from the beginning, and still is. The news stopped the daily coverage after he plead, but even now, as new info comes out they report on it. The documentary may have made this case even more well known, but it was huge from the beginning.
I think the remaining interest also has something to do with the mistress. I don’t know what happened to the Chris Coleman mistress but the Chris Watts mistress is in hiding and many people think she was involved with the murderers.
It's simply the timing. Coleman's case was at the beginning of the social media age. Facebook was still in it's infancy. We barely understood what to do with UA-cam. 😂 Watts' case happened after the social media had exploded and everyone that was anyone were online, Twitting, Gramming, and Snapping 24/7. 😂 It makes a huge difference.
And not every one posts as much as S. Watts did. She was always hustling those products and videos are a huge part of portraying a healthy and wealthy lifestyle.
@@laurdee9it makes plenty of sense if you are a man going through the child support system in america. Talk about being trapped. You really shouldn't talk about things you have no clue about, as you have demonstrated here
I was just doing some thinking about how Impressive it is how you do all this research and come up with these videos like nothing it's hard to imagine you have time for anything else but I'm sure you do so I find it inspiring to myself that I need to take full advantage of the time each day because I am lazy sometimes and negative
Because Shannan posted so much video of her doings on line you feel as though you know her, that video of Bella singing “Daddy is my Hero” Is so emotive. We only see a few pictures of Sherri. Chris’ interrogation, lie detector and sentencing trial were all available as were interviews with friends and family. I think that’s why the Watts case is so better known than the Colman case. Both are equally tragic.
Again! I have to comment and say how well these videos are scripted and the time and effort put into the analysis. As a PhD student I often wish my assignments could tackle analysis in this clear and direct way! So easy to follow and just enough opinion to make it thoroughly engaging. I love watching these! Very entertaining as a criminology BA MA and hopefully soon PhD grad. Brilliant take on this topic.
Thank you dr Grande for having me in knots, laughing (that is, the serious part excluded). I can picture myself on the roof, trying to do a man's work, jumping for every little bird landing next to me. And, I also may have murdered your language, as I am not English speaking! Keep going, you are absolutely precious.
It’s interesting to note that often times, one immoral act follows another. As if a person who gets caught up in one evil fantasy usually free falls into another, and then another! It’s like their “moral meter” becomes completely broken - but they themselves broke it! Dr. Grande, you should do a follow up video on the “other women,” their mental state during and after the crimes and what became of these women!
I vividly remember the Chris Coleman case bc was in a rehab 6 week’s recovering from a stroke and it was big news at the time. As a mother of 5, I was outraged that given an ultimatum by his mistress, he chose murder of his entire family rather than divorce or simply abandoning his family. When is murder the better choice? You actually brought up a point I hadn’t heard before. I thought Chris was devoted to Joyce and her ministry. I didn’t realize he scoffed at her. Fast forward to Chris Watts; I immediately thought of Coleman! The difference is that Coleman actually believes his own lie that he’s innocent. I may be wrong but he won’t admit guilt as long as his parents and brothers are alive bc that would make him the monster he is. Along comes Chris Watts who not only kills his wife and 2 children, but also his unborn son! Additionally I’ve seen footage of his mistress at the Watts home around 6 AM the morning of the murders. She had to have known and got off Scott free! I’m thinking also of Scott Peterson. This is scary how a seemingly happy family can be eliminated once a mistress enters the picture and gives an ultimatum! Many wives and husbands have been murdered for this reason but Chris cases taking out entire families is beyond narcissistic and evil!
Omg- I love Dr Grande’s humor. Though I often wonder how Dr Grande keeps a straight face while I am laughing out loud. As always the analysis of cases are well thought out and interesting.
That is so true !! Caylee Anthony and Laci Peterson come to mind, Both of these cases were extremely bizarre. All the lies and the complete lack of concern. Unfortunately Casey Anthony walked. May her life continue to be miserable.
As usual, I start listening to Dr Grande as soon as a see the notification, I always find his speculation interesting, educative and sometimes funny but I am starting to think the lizard people are the cacti behind him because they keep moving 😁
i think the main reason the Watts case is more ‘notorious’ is due to his wife’s social media presence, the body cam footage, his apparent ‘good looks’ (not sure why anyone thinks this) and the simple fact that there seems to be more information available on that case.. both men are two peas in a pod, though 😅
I always think of Chris Longo and how he murdered his family just to be free of them. He reminds me so much of Chris Watts. He also blamed the deaths of his children on his wife and justified killing his wife because of what she did. Then he’s attempted to rehabilitate his image by attempting to start an organ donation program for prisoners. I would love if you reviewed his case, Dr. Grande. I would like to understand the mind of a family annihilator.
Dear Dr Grande… I’ve been a fan for awhile- I’m a psych nurse and learn so much Fermin you. Thank you! I have followed Chris Watts case for so long - I think from the beginning. It was somehow addicting- and as I hear this case and recognize the many parallels- I wonder why so many of us have followed watts but not this? Maybe the many details and opportunities we had to meet All of the family - ugh seeing the many videos available on the family- but here- it’s flat- I feel terrible for his little boys and for the x wife- but not the same attachment to the situation. Why is that we are so invested in the watts story???
I mean, if we are talking about Christianity, it's not that God needs money, it's that He encourages Christians to be generous with their money. God isn't opposed to wealth at all - because money is neutral. It's actually the love of money that He hates because He wants His followers to be generous with their wealth - to give to the poor, the widow, the orphans, the needy. Use it to bless others in need. Anyone who uses their beliefs - Christianity or not - to gain and hoard wealth for themselves is a heretic.
I just noticed the cactus is paper now. I also noticed how Dr Grande chucked a bit when he answered his own question of “do I think he was guilty?” You’re seriously the best Dr. Grande!
Just another reason why I side-eye the people who say “But he goes to CHURCH!” Ma’am? So do priests…along with a whole congregation that will cover up their nasty deeds. Going to church doesn’t make anyone a good person.
Absolutely this. All the churchy people I've known throughout my life were the biggest hypocrites on earth. Even the nice ones who didn't try to force their religions down other people's throats would still do all the things that you're not supposed to do as a christian. ( case in point: a good friend at uni who drank and partied with me, and who would have one night stands frequently). By now if someone says "oh, but he goes to church!" I'll know to give him a wide berth.
@@3leggedsharkkickssurferinballs Well, serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven since he converted to Christianity while his unrepentant victims will burn in hell.
Exactly. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to a garage makes you a mechanic.
Right BTK was the president of his church and he still brutally murdered 10 people
Facts
I went to his mom and dad's church for awhile. They still believe in his innocence . Their blindness to reality maybe part of why he could blind himself to his own reality .
Deep! No, I mean it!
The early childhood indoctrination of children with overpowering “religious” values and practices. I think this results in a notable backlash in adult/family life; I’ve noticed a connection over the decades.
Ditto!
Really? Such denial - believing he is innocent is nuts.
@@cdd4248 If I were a serial killer, murdered puppies, and committed arson, my mother would cry in court+ beg judge for clemency like I was an angel…She’d state my credentials, career, positives attributes, Lutheran schooling [gotta’ throw in some religion to judge] etc like it matters.That’s what a lot of moms do. Major denial
So typical to blame the woman for unwanted pregnancies as if she did it alone.
oh please
Takes two to tango as they say. It's pretty easy to put a condom on but it's never the guy who gets shit on
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn exactly! When I was growing up, my mother always told me it was always the woman or girl’s fault even though in high school all the boys did was pressure girls for sex constantly. And when a woman gives in they say she should have kept her legs closed. 🤮
And his parents still do not believe he did it…!
@Festina_Lente *_YES!!!_** Say it again louder for the people in the back!*
this channel has me feeling like there are way too many people, usually men, who feel that killing their entire family is somehow better than getting a divorce
Yeah! Why is that? Unreal!
@@bthomson I don't know, since almost 100% of the time they end up in jail for 30+ years. They must be so narcissistic that they truly believe they get away with it. Ita bizarre
This is one thing I will never understand. Like somehow he, and I say that because they're invariably men, think that they are their family's entire world and they wouldn't be able to survive without him in it. I just don't get it.
Everytime I turn around there's another man killing his spouse or family. I'm super happy with my decision to live alone!! Probably prolonged my life for 20 years😳
@@karenhenderson3868 if it makes you feel any better, I've been with my wife for 12 years and we have 3 kids, never crossed my mind to kill any of them.
"Looks like Chris started by murdering grammar, and moved up from there"🤣🤣
Indeed. Delivered with such dead pan seriousness it should be a crime itself!
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I thought one of his sons’ name was Grammar!
😂😂😅😀
I get it now lol. At first I thought I heard “grandma”
Strange similarities between the cases. Another similarity is that both mothers of the murderers did not approve of their choice of wife.
It’s crZy how much alike these two cases are. I think it’s because of social media and all the videos shannan made. Not to mention the amount of discovery was made to public
NO mother on earth approves of their sons' choice of wife.
@@Noname-zx4xj well, these mothers didn’t raise sons, they raised a partner for themselves.
No mother in law thinks that her sons girlfriend is good enough.
@priscilalondon what does that mean?
Dr. Grande , the only doctor who can be so helpful when he doesn't diagnose anyone.
Still laughing.
LOL
I can't imagine how someone can kill their own children. By strangulation no less! It takes quite a while to kill a person that way. This guy was a heartless and evil person. All because he didn't want to jeopardize his piddling job and wanted to have a new sex partner!
I remember one case where the father lifted up the nightclothes of his kids to stab them with a knife and a screwdriver bc there weren't stab marks on their clothes. Can't even imagine something so horrific. Then he claimed some weird hippies came in and did it. It was after the Sharon tate murders.
How long ?
@@yogadork_namaste Jeffrey McDonald yes he was a Green beret and a physician
@@TomJones-gb5es 6 months
@@yogadork_namaste That's Dr. Jeffrey McDonald. He's still in prison and claiming his innocence. He still seems to believe he'll be exonerated.
I think what sets the Chris Watts case apart from this, is the way he disposed of the bodies after the murders....it took evil to another level.
I think so too Maureen 🇬🇧
That's what I was thinking too. Plus his wife was 15 weeks pregnant.
No it's because there's so much video so it was able to go viral
@@nicoledoubleyou Yes the amount of footage is astounding, it's like watching the crime unfold before your eyes.
there is also video of him being busted multiple times
Thank you for this video.
The part where I hear that Colman murdered his son’s is the part where I view Colman as an abomination, inhuman.
To kill any other innocent human being is a cruel and barbaric action, but, to take the life of one’s own children is beyond words.
His brain obviously doesn't contain any level of empathy.
In my opinion, Coleman should never be allowed to be free amongst society.
I believe him to be a unpredictable dangerous creature.
Exactly!
Between Chris C. & Chris W. - I am afraid for my daughters to get married!😱
@@davisholman8149Chris Benoit, Chris Longo... lots of Chris's are family annihilators. 😮
Christopher Coleman was my neighbor! I was like 8 when it all went down and I remember my brother asked why one of his kids wasn’t on the bus. F-ed up. I Still live in Columbia Illinois to this day
Holy cow
Whoa!
This is proof that criminal activity (especially homicide) has broad repercussions in the community. Children have to live with knowledge that can effect them for life.
This is such a horrible experience to go through as a 8 yr old. This monster needs the chair!!
me too!!! not my neighbor, but close enough. it makes me so happy to see this case getting more coverage!! his appeal attempts are laughable🙄
"He started out by murdering grammar.." 😂 Right outta the gate! Just brilliant as usual! Thanks again Dr! 🤗
Both monsters but I think the way Watts disposed of the girls and Shannans bodies was absolutely heinous and probably made a difference in notoriety.
I agree. The fact that Chris Watts drove his living daughters out to the oil field with their dead mother's body is particularly heinous. We also know more about what interactions Chris had with the girls because he confessed.
I believe Watts is considered more attractive also. Makes it scarier to women perhaps?
Definitely.
That’s like determining who was worse Hitler or Stalin? Let’s just agree they were both horrible evil monsters. This monster wrote expletives on his sons bodies.
I think Chris Watts is more well known because there is a lot of interview footage to look at (police interview and interviews on the news). I've never seen any of Chris Coleman
No matter how terrible the cases being analyzed are, your sense of humor makes me laugh. Lol
The grammar bit was GOLD.
Thank you for the priceless content you provide.
Even me from Iran feel the deadpan joke he tells . He is wonderful
Excellent!! 😅😅😅
Your dry sense of humor is perfectly placed, always cracks me up, and possibly my favorite talent you possess. Among the many.
He so smooth on the delivery you could almost miss the humor if not paying close attention. So glad he came up on my suggestion list
Barbed wire gurney. Lol
J"oyce Meyers, Evangelist (pregnant pause) and millionaire" LOL!
@@soniawhitlow9182 I know! Hahahaha
I often LOL at his fabulous, deadpan one-liners.
The Chris Watts case was similar to the Scott Peterson case. Missing pregnant wives bring a ton of media attention.
Pregnancy is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship (or those that just have partners that are nutters)
You are correct. I’ll add white and attractive wives are more notable in the media. Laci was stunning and Shannan was attractive and vivacious. IMHO both Laci and Shannan were more attractive than their husbands mistresses.
Plus white and key demo for sensational media
@@Bostongirl4eva It usually goes that way….it’s weird!
Makes me think of Jeffrey Mac Donald too
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening while on a time-travelling, barbed wire gurney like this. @05:12
"I dont know why they keep making those things" 😆😅🤣😂
@@BucketHeadianHagg I don't know why either!
it’s like. in chris watt’s case, you can’t even say like he was scared she would take the kids or wouldn’t let him see them if they divorced. he hated those kids enough to drive them somewhere before murdering them, and then throw them into oil tanks. he’s a monster
They say Chris Watts read about the story and is in fact what gave him the idea.I heard it on court t.v.
He didn’t want to pay child support or alimony. I think it was that simple with that pos
if you watch his interview (there’s a 3 part series on JCS criminal psychology’s account that i really recommend because it shows stuff the Netflix doc didn’t) the only time he talks about memories he has with the kids he’s talking about things that you know annoyed him. like them making a mess or being noisy, and you can almost hear the contempt in his voice when he’s saying it. it’s really disturbing
@@lissa0704 can you link that account?
@@lissa0704 never mind I found it
I think the Watts case gets so much more attention than the Coleman one because Shannan had so much social media content that focused on how happy her family was.
@@thedarlingofdirling Those are usually a bad sign. The opposite is true.
@@thedarlingofdirling she was putting on a fake front because she needed the attention and it was to sell that thrive stuff. Never buy anybody’s fake Facebook front
Yeah I mean it's that but it's also the fact that he so cruelly and heinously dispose of his whole family's bodies in an oil field that he worked in...THAT is literally the only thing that sets apart this case from any of the other endless family annihilator cases. Just saying.
@Jane O'Leary tell me what you feel about her. She poisoned the children.
There are lots of similarities between these cases but one major difference is that Coleman still maintains his innocence whereas Watts has confessed to his murders. As an interesting side note, Coleman is incarcerated in the same Wisconsin prison as Watts.
Very interesting. I did not know that. Thanx
Absolutely insane right!! 😱
That’s fascinating; I wonder if they know each other?
Oh yay 🙄, we don't want these losers in WI
Didn't know that!
Of all the doctors named after a coffee size, you are, undoubtedly, my favourite.
That's a great way to put it.
Saw this case on 48 Hours a few years back. The murderers who kill their own children because they stand in the way of their desired lifestyle are to me the most horrifying of all.
“A ‘time traveling barbed-wire gurney’ - wish they would stop making those.” LOL, only Doc Grande’s occasional injection of humor can get me through listening to these mind boggling murder stories.🤯
One of the worst "family annihilators" I'd heard of was Mary Ann Cotton in Victorian England. Think it was between 18 and 21 proven poisoned by her, mostly her kids and stepkids. She was all in it for the money and the thrill of a new romance. A few docs on YT about her, but Martina Cole's Lady Killers episode on her is probably the most in depth without being too sensational.
If I was married to someone who I thought might kill me, certainly to the extent that I'd tell a third party that if I die in suspicious circumstances, my spouse did the deed, I would be out of there. Why does anyone hang around in such a circumstance? They must have some other options besides waiting around, wondering when they might be killed by their spouse.
Afraid that they will kill them if they leave possibly. Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
I’ve been curious of that as well. Perhaps it’s for the kids and not wanting to make them worry about the stability of the family unit.
That's a mystery to me too..I can't figure it out
I been in that . It feels like you're helpless, hopeless, and there is no way out. Litterally for many others, a body bag is the only way out. Truthfully, the harder you try to get away, they come track you down. Idk is very difficult to get away from period.
Maybe their religion of not wanting to abandon or divorce the husband.
I am amazed by the people thinking they can outsmart investigators and get away with crimes like this. Hubris? Desperation? Dumbness? All of the above? Just, wow.
“This was a time travelling, barbed wire gurney. I don’t know why they keep making those things.”
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“He started by murdering grammar, and moved up from there.”
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*edit* Ladies…
DON’T 👏 DATE 👏 MARRIED 👏 MEN 👏
this was so good
I know, right. I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard. Felt bad considering...
Loved it! Nice one Dr Grande 🤣
It never fails to amaze me that I can laugh out loud in the middle of hearing a story about some hideously gruesome crime... but almost inevitably, I do. The dry humor is a welcome relief! And BTW: Chris Coleman does not exactly seem like a genius; impossible to believe, but her really thought he was going to get away with this. Thanks, Dr. Grande.
I agree the bob wire pillow i was going to buy but I changed my mind and the TV antenna from aliens didn't fit my roof...Darn
"He started by murdering grammar, then moved up from there." 😂😂 That's great.
Maybe shannan’s prior online presence was a factor in the media attention in her case. Plus the bodycam footage was played a lot. Idk?
I thought so, there was almost too much footage available. There are channels still analyzing it all.
Yeah, the amount of bodycam and interrogation footage in the Chris Watts case must be what put it over the top. Audiences love watching guilty people squirm.
I watched the bodycam footage quite a bit. I wanted to see why the cops thought it was him
@@Perforator2000 Also Shananns online-presence made the viewer relate to her, feels really strange viewing this stuff knowing the whole case
That was my first thought as well. Also they were both conventionally attractive, which I'm sure attracted press.
“It would appear that Chris started by murdering grammar and moved up from there.”
Dead.
Once again Dr Grande delivers on excellent content, ty so much kind Sir.
In both cases, the relationship between the woman and her in-laws was strained. I wonder if that was a psychological factor in the minds of the murderers when justifying their own actions to themselves. The parents were probably trying to support their son in some way, while he ended up killing his own children. What a senseless waste.
What a monster. He only cared about himself.
Great video Dr Grande!!!
The boys couldn't fight back..
It is amazing, Dr Grande, how you can take such a somber event and make it so entertaining!! Your sense of humor and timing is subtle and spot on. It takes me a minute to realize what you did, that I always have to "rewind" to catch it AND then be able to move on in the story with you. You're a MASTER at it!!
I think the Watts case has more notoriety and coverage because of their online presence and the huge amount of videos we can see, making them more relatable 🤷♀️ btw, love the jokes!
Also, for a time Watt's wife and daughters were "missing", and that made national news.
Chris Coleman's preacher parents don't think their son killed his wife and THEIR GRANDSONS, but if he did, it was because she was a bad wife. They're creepy as hell.
BTW, I just realized that Joyce Meyer looks like the Joker. One too many facelifts I guess.
@@Scriptease123 yeah she did!! That was a pretty scary looking lady.
And because of the *WAY* chris murdered his baby girls, too.. Why do they even have "death row" when no one ever gets put to death at all - Not even BTK, Dahmer, Ridgeway or anyone else we know for sure did it. I hate that they are offered "deals" - I understand why they offer them, so they can find the bodies, but they should still put them to death. China puts people to death just for stealing!
@@BucketHeadianHagg I mean, Bundy and plenty of others have been put to death. A lot of people think the death penalty is barbaric…America is the only first world country that even implements the death penalty. It’s incredibly controversial and political.
Sheri was my cousin’s daughter, its hard to say much, i was told Joyce Meyer was a friend of chris’s father. You did a good job evaluating the case. It still hurts like it happened yesterday. ‘Chris’s brother is a prison guard
Happy 4th Dr.Grande. I'm Canadian and we had our equivalent to the 4th (Canada day) on July 1st. Thank you for the upload, very interesting.
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Happy 4th Dr Grande! This was another interesting case-it bothers me that someone can go from apparently no criminal activity to murdering one’s entire family. The lack of warning signs is particularly disturbing.
You know, I bet there are always warning signs if they are noticed and heeded! He was having the affair and swearing and drinking in excess! He also seemingly had money problems at $100,000 a year!
Thank you for your continued hard work Dr. Grande! Happy Fourth to you and your family!
Dr. GRANDE I hope you know how much we enjoy that your background arrangement is different each video, just another element to look forward to when you post a new video!!!:)
Hello dr grande, I hope the plants are well!
There seems to be a addition to the family.🌵
The hours and hours of home videos made the Watts case unique. Never before could the public get to know the victims of a crime so intimately
These are always informative and I appreciate every one of them that you do. And I'm especially grateful for the humor you inject into these. The time traveling barbed wire gurney is my favorite so far. I know the actual subjects are not funny, I sure do appreciate your approach
“It appeared as if he started by murdering grammar, and moved up from there”… 😆clasic Dr Grande zinger
As the parent of two boys, this is always such a hard case to hear
It’s so despicable that he called his neighbour to go and discover his dead family to try and keep his alibi of being at the gym.
If the death penalty should be applied, it’s for cases like this.
It’s actually wasn’t possible in this case since Illinois ended capital punishment in 2011.
Even then, it’s a very long and drawn out process, not to mention it also more expensive due to the appeals and having to pay more for the defense
See what sheer selfishness gets you - this case is beyond tragic.
Boys were adorable. How can he do that to them.
@@echopeakbicycling85 he is a monster.
Maybe because he's American?.
What proved to me that he did it was that the medical examiner said they had to have been dead before he left that day.
Positively scathing, Doc! Nicely done, Ty for the upload;)
Its hard to imagine how anyone could do such horrific things, with 0 benefits.
He was not very smart !!
Well, the "benefit" would have been all that new focus on his crotch. I hate this guy. I feel like cussing!
You’re looking at it the wrong way. Just because there’s seemingly no benefit to you and I doesn’t mean there wasn’t one for this pos. Animals like this always justify their actions somehow.
@@icantstandsbmm8880 It's called human instincts. Everyone has them
But the perpetrator will always perceive real or imagined benefits until they actually kill at a later time, then have to pay far more than bargained for committing the crime.
Dr. Grande's subtle sass is what keeps me coming back
Whod' put the apostrophe at the end of the word?
Thats' funny!
That dry humor - "he started with murdering grammar, then worked his way up" XD
Lol
People who strangle children shouldn't be able to get letters in prison, let alone send out advice. Hopefully this deters anyone thinking about mate copying, or working for televangelists. It's sad that people think murder is an option, ever...let alone the option they choose.
I love you Dr. Grande. Thanks for always being there for us! 💙💙💙
Time-Travel Barbed-Wire Gurney sounds like a band you form with your friends when you’re in high school 😂
I love your channel! And your voice is really relaxing. Please do Erin Caffey. I always wondered what could have been going on in her mind..
For me, the Chris Watts case was more interesting because of the abundance of Facebook video and the police cams. Also their home was so pristine. It was just so unbelievably organized and clean.
I kept rewatching footage just for the house!
I would like a Dr. Grande analysis, with 4 shots of dry humor, extra cactus, and pile on the unique insight!!!
I’ll have what she’s having!
Me too! Like he definitely murdered his Grammar before murdering his wife and two kids?
Maybe his parents should of taught him proper English and proper spelling 1st before teaching him to speak in TONGUES! 🤷♀️ 🤦♀️
@paintjade - yes! Or a loop of his one liners. Most of them are priceless.
"It appears Chris started by murdering grammar and moved up from there"
Boy I....when I tell you I'm in love with you I really mean it. 😂
Was unfamiliar with Coleman's crimes. Looked him up online and found his beautiful family and wish them Godspeed. Truly thankful for the gravitas, judicious tone, and brilliant analysis that you bring to this and all your discussions.
The dead pan jokes and puns interjected throughout such a serious analysis is hillarious and most importantly unique. Briljant.
Thank you for posting even on a holiday weekend!
"...without natural affection..." Interesting comparison. I can't imagine seeking spiritual advice from a murderer, especially one who killed his family.
His sarcasm is the best! He makes me chuckle with his super straight face. I find his analysis of the crimes reviewed in depth and clinical. I almost feel smarter for listening.
Totally agree 👍
Dr. Grande, I think the reason the Watts case caught the zeitgeist and not the Coleman case is because of the Netflix special, the fact their lives were captured on video like a movie from their wedding forward, the strong social media presence and appeal of Shanann and the kids, and lastly, the horrifying manner of the disposal of the remains. The Coleman case has none of these characteristics despite the similarity of the crimes.
I would suggest it's also because it would hurt Joyce Meyer's brand ... just saying
This Watts case was huge from day one. As soon as Chris did his sermon on the porch interview, it went viral. The case was all over the news and social media after that. This case has been huge on FB and YT from the beginning, and still is. The news stopped the daily coverage after he plead, but even now, as new info comes out they report on it. The documentary may have made this case even more well known, but it was huge from the beginning.
@@TimothyH83 I agree the Netflix thing didn't come out until this already exploded. more like they jumped on the bandwagon late
I think the remaining interest also has something to do with the mistress. I don’t know what happened to the Chris Coleman mistress but the Chris Watts mistress is in hiding and many people think she was involved with the murderers.
Dr grande cracks me up!! He keeps a straight face and delivers the funniest lines. Can he diagnose himself ?
It's simply the timing. Coleman's case was at the beginning of the social media age. Facebook was still in it's infancy. We barely understood what to do with UA-cam. 😂 Watts' case happened after the social media had exploded and everyone that was anyone were online, Twitting, Gramming, and Snapping 24/7. 😂 It makes a huge difference.
YT was a different place back then.
@@CesarClouds truth.
And not every one posts as much as S. Watts did. She was always hustling those products and videos are a huge part of portraying a healthy and wealthy lifestyle.
"Twitting" 😆
I literally laughed out loud at the murdering grammar joke. Nicely done.
Let’s be honest. If anyone is “trapped” by a pregnancy, it’s the person who is actually physically attached to the pregnancy… aka, not the man.
Amen
Tell that to the family court proceedings
@@Spent_Jungus this response makes literally no sense
@@laurdee9 oh I'm sorry I forgot I'm talking to a little kid. With no children. Who's never gone through the child support system. Whoops.
@@laurdee9it makes plenty of sense if you are a man going through the child support system in america. Talk about being trapped. You really shouldn't talk about things you have no clue about, as you have demonstrated here
I was just doing some thinking about how Impressive it is how you do all this research and come up with these videos like nothing it's hard to imagine you have time for anything else but I'm sure you do so I find it inspiring to myself that I need to take full advantage of the time each day because I am lazy sometimes and negative
“Murdering grammar, first…”! You’re killing me, Smalls!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Because Shannan posted so much video of her doings on line you feel as though you know her, that video of Bella singing “Daddy is my Hero” Is so emotive. We only see a few pictures of Sherri. Chris’ interrogation, lie detector and sentencing trial were all available as were interviews with friends and family. I think that’s why the Watts case is so better known than the Colman case. Both are equally tragic.
Agreed. Just absolutely horrid!!!!
Had a gorgeous wife and children. Good job, nice home. All window dressing. The inside must had been misery for his wife and kids.
I do love your tongue in cheek (sarcastic) comments. Great work. From sunny London.
Please make a t-shirt that says "I'm not diagnosing anyone in this video"
He has one. He has merch. It says " Im not diagnosing anyone"
@@jamieepic666 ah, okay! Thanks, I didn't know that :)
Np 💗
This has been one of my favourite videos of yours too watch, funny, witty yet respectful at all times. Thank you
Again! I have to comment and say how well these videos are scripted and the time and effort put into the analysis. As a PhD student I often wish my assignments could tackle analysis in this clear and direct way! So easy to follow and just enough opinion to make it thoroughly engaging. I love watching these! Very entertaining as a criminology BA MA and hopefully soon PhD grad. Brilliant take on this topic.
This is where Dr. Grande truly excels!
Informative and hilarious! I love your dark sense of humor!
"Time traveling barbed wire gurney" 😂
He is so savage
Savage but also highly principled!
Thank you dr Grande for having me in knots, laughing (that is, the serious part excluded). I can picture myself on the roof, trying to do a man's work, jumping for every little bird landing next to me. And, I also may have murdered your language, as I am not English speaking! Keep going, you are absolutely precious.
So now, in addition to avoiding men with the last name Peterson, I have to avoid men with the first name Chris. Got it.
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Exactly! 😂
On the spot! 😅
yes!!
Dr. Todd is so nice. I love his videos.
It’s interesting to note that often times, one immoral act follows another. As if a person who gets caught up in one evil fantasy usually free falls into another, and then another! It’s like their “moral meter” becomes completely broken - but they themselves broke it!
Dr. Grande, you should do a follow up video on the “other women,” their mental state during and after the crimes and what became of these women!
I vividly remember the Chris Coleman case bc was in a rehab 6 week’s recovering from a stroke and it was big news at the time. As a mother of 5, I was outraged that given an ultimatum by his mistress, he chose murder of his entire family rather than divorce or simply abandoning his family. When is murder the better choice? You actually brought up a point I hadn’t heard before. I thought Chris was devoted to Joyce and her ministry. I didn’t realize he scoffed at her. Fast forward to Chris Watts; I immediately thought of Coleman! The difference is that Coleman actually believes his own lie that he’s innocent. I may be wrong but he won’t admit guilt as long as his parents and brothers are alive bc that would make him the monster he is. Along comes Chris Watts who not only kills his wife and 2 children, but also his unborn son! Additionally I’ve seen footage of his mistress at the Watts home around 6 AM the morning of the murders. She had to have known and got off Scott free! I’m thinking also of Scott Peterson. This is scary how a seemingly happy family can be eliminated once a mistress enters the picture and gives an ultimatum! Many wives and husbands have been murdered for this reason but Chris cases taking out entire families is beyond narcissistic and evil!
It would appear that Chris started by murdering grammar then moved on from there! 🤣🤣🤣 love it!!
Dr. Grande is the GOAT!! hahaha. I crack myself up. Thank you for uploading- even on a holiday! You really are the best part of my day 🥰
That's "Greatest of all times!"😎
I find it funny that Colman's parents deem Shannan as "unchristian" when Shannan is more Christian than Colman's parents
Omg- I love Dr Grande’s humor. Though I often wonder how Dr Grande keeps a straight face while I am laughing out loud. As always the analysis of cases are well thought out and interesting.
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With the Watts case, the victims were missing at first. Missing wife and children always attracts ore attention at first.
That is so true !! Caylee Anthony and Laci Peterson come to mind, Both of these cases were extremely bizarre. All the lies and the complete lack of concern. Unfortunately Casey Anthony walked. May her life continue to be miserable.
Good point
Anyone else notice how the appearance of the killer changes once they do their evil deeds?
As usual, I start listening to Dr Grande as soon as a see the notification, I always find his speculation interesting, educative and sometimes funny but I am starting to think the lizard people are the cacti behind him because they keep moving 😁
Love the changes you made in your background and tone and caidence of your voice.
i think the main reason the Watts case is more ‘notorious’ is due to his wife’s social media presence, the body cam footage, his apparent ‘good looks’ (not sure why anyone thinks this) and the simple fact that there seems to be more information available on that case.. both men are two peas in a pod, though 😅
I died at “it would appear Chris started by murdering grammar, then moved from there.” Nicely done, sir.
I always think of Chris Longo and how he murdered his family just to be free of them. He reminds me so much of Chris Watts. He also blamed the deaths of his children on his wife and justified killing his wife because of what she did. Then he’s attempted to rehabilitate his image by attempting to start an organ donation program for prisoners. I would love if you reviewed his case, Dr. Grande. I would like to understand the mind of a family annihilator.
it'll help you choose a mate.... well that definitely is a family annilator let's cross that one off the list...
Dear Dr Grande… I’ve been a fan for awhile- I’m a psych nurse and learn so much Fermin you. Thank you! I have followed Chris Watts case for so long - I think from the beginning. It was somehow addicting- and as I hear this case and recognize the many parallels- I wonder why so many of us have followed watts but not this? Maybe the many details and opportunities we had to meet All of the family - ugh seeing the many videos available on the family- but here- it’s flat- I feel terrible for his little boys and for the x wife- but not the same attachment to the situation. Why is that we are so invested in the watts story???
funny how religion and millionaire go together..god loves you but he needs money
Yeah. An omnipotent being needs money. What a sham.
I mean, if we are talking about Christianity, it's not that God needs money, it's that He encourages Christians to be generous with their money. God isn't opposed to wealth at all - because money is neutral. It's actually the love of money that He hates because He wants His followers to be generous with their wealth - to give to the poor, the widow, the orphans, the needy. Use it to bless others in need. Anyone who uses their beliefs - Christianity or not - to gain and hoard wealth for themselves is a heretic.
@@Corina6235 Don't waste your time with swine. They hate God and will use any earthly excuse to justify their unbelief.
@@althunder4269 "Swine?"
If you ever feel any illegal impulse, please seek counseling.
You're welcome.
@@l.w.paradis2108 have a smoke and a drink and you'll feel better.
I just noticed the cactus is paper now.
I also noticed how Dr Grande chucked a bit when he answered his own question of “do I think he was guilty?”
You’re seriously the best Dr. Grande!
So basically, DO NOT name anyone Chris.
Dr Grande is very serious about doing these videos,but yet he puts a few humorous lines in there,its great!!!