2020 SYIL X7 - All new Epoxy Granite CNC Mill
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- The Design Creativity & Technology Channel is proud to be announcing the all new Syil X7 CNC milling machine for 2020. Made from epoxy granite and kitted out with all high end parts. This is going to be a game changer people.
X7 Epoxy Granite (Technical specifications PDF): a360.co/2O1gd85
Contact Syil here:
Syil: syil.com/
Syil UK: uk.syil.com/
Syil USA: us.syil.com/
Syil Australia: au.syil.com/
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They sure have done a nice job taking suggestions from folks and improving their product line. Hope it lives up to the hype!
Good morning Tom. Trust you are all well? Yes I hope so too. I'd like to get my hands on one to test and run through its paces. How's your Spedio going? Cheers mate, Aaron.
Many closed loop system machine use the mechanical switches to get it close, but once tripped, the control will turn the servos until they hit the marker pulse on the encoder AND then set home at the marker pulse. Very precise and repeatable.
According to the Okuma website they’ve been using absolute encoders for the past 20 years. It’s only recently 5-10 years that other machine companies have caught up 😉
Today they will just do a hard stop detection. You run the servos until you hit the hard stop, then backup a little until the encoder is on zero degrees. To avoid doing that every time the machine is powered up, the position is stored with battery backup.
@@BaldurNorddahl to what are you referring to?
@@martyscncgarage5275 just saying no mechanical switches, they use a hard stop instead, the rest as you said. Saves the switches and the connection to the controller for something that is only used once or a few times in the lifetime of the machine.
This is where syil grabbed my attention.
Hey bud how’s it going? I totally agree with you. Would love to get my hands on one 😉
They are really increasing their options and improving on the machines capabilities.
Hi Jody. They sure are. My machine is still running strong 🍻
What an absolute pleasure to have the brochure read to me.
Pleasure, I aim to please 😊
Good to see mineral castings being used by Syil Aaron, Surely this should inspire more Australian manufacturers to use this Technology. It's perfect for low volume manufacturing, and the finished product will have better stability and accuracy, superior to a machine made from cast Iron alone, with the added advantage of a lower cost of production. Come on Aussie come on. Do your own research, you will be surprised how easy changing to mineral castings for you machinery is to implement. And it does not just apply to machine tools, Use your imagination!
Hi John. I knew this video would grab your attention. Speaking of epoxy granite castings, how is your build coming along? Last time I saw it at the MSMEE expo it was coming together very nicely. I agree with you, it's good to see other manufacturers using this process with their machine builds. I'm very keen to see one of these new SyilCNC machines up close to compare and contrast. Cheers John. Aaron ;-)
You do some really great work in your shop Peter. To be honest, I think you have probably forgotten more than I'll ever know. Great chatting with you on the phone today mate. Enjoy your lunch and will talk soon mate. Cheers, Aaron.
Seems like a nice little machine. EG has similar rigidity to cast iron but with far better dampening properties .
I particularly like that these would be really easy to source parts for and replace a ball screw or rails of you had too.
As for absoloute encoders, our 5 month old Haas vf4 still uses limit switches lol.
Hey Manny. Yes they look really good specs on paper. Can’t wait to see one up close 😉. Haas are still an excellent machine. I miss the SMM2 at my previous school 👍🍻
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering seen one of these yet? I priced one up at 45k yesterday.
Great video Aaron. SYIL certainly seem to be getting a foot hold in the market. More and more videos appearing on YT of people purchasing them. If only I could win Lotto....Regards Kevin
Hi Kevin how are you? Sorry for my belated reply but I totally missed this comment. Yes mate I agree. Syil have come along way in the past 5-10 years. Their new machine is a real game changer and is serious bang for buck. I too wish I could win the Lotto. I'd relocate to a rural area on acreage and erect a big massive shed LOL. Cheers buddy, Aaron.
Nice looking machines coming from Syil.
I disagree with one point that you made about encoders though. Good machines using relative encoders do not rely on the limit switch for their accuracy. That would be crazy. The homing routine commonly used; travels to the limit switch, and then reverses to the first index pulse from the encoder, and uses that position as its reference. So for a 5mm pitch ballscrew with the encoder directly mounted, the reference will be within 5mm of the limit switch. Sometimes a routine that reverses past that index pulse before travels to it again, is used instead. I guess that might have backlash considerations. The biggest problem with relative encoder axis positioning (aside from the operational inconveniences) is that it relies on ballscrew system accuracy which is dependent on temperature and load, and thus also axis velocity. Errors are inconsistent as the ballscrew expands and contracts along its entire length - so position measurements close to the driven end are less affected than those at the far end. Temperature changes can also reduce the effectiveness of ballscrew mappings. Schemes to limit those factors (such as liquid-cooled ballscrews) are complex and thus costly to implement. An absolute encoding scale takes the ballscrew and its bearings out of the equation completely. The scale is now mounted to the table which having a relatively larger thermal mass will stay close to room temperature regardless of load and velocity, especially if being flooded with coolant. For ultra-precision, liquid temperature control is relatively easy to implement too. It is easier to drill coolant channels through a table than it is through ballscrews!
Hi Ian and thank you for watching. I appreciate your time in providing that thorough and in depth explanation for me and my viewers. Obviously I’m not a electronics technician and based my explanation of my own experience using lower end closed loop steppers and servo motors. If that is the case I stand corrected. Thank you for keeping me honest. Regards Aaron
As a former pick and place, flip chip, die bonding robotic designer and tech, I hsve to compliment you on your excellent breakdown, analysis, snd concise commentary on the respective positioning systems. Obviously, this was not your first rodeo.
The epoxy granite technology just seems so untested. If it was from a premium cnc company (and I know some are using it) I'd be all in, but not with a chinese reseller/manufacturer, though these guys might be one of the better ones.
Hey mate. That’s fair enough. To my knowledge (from Mr.Xu) Syil have their own casting factory and have also been doing epoxy granite bases for other “named” companies for some years now. This is what I’ve been told, however I can’t validate this 👍
Untested by who? Mineral cast frames are being utilized in some top end Hermle, kern, DMG mori, Datron..
@@Foomanlol Hey mate I meant Syil in particular. I guess I just lack a bit of confidence. It's like if Australia decided to build rockets. I know NASA and Space X have, but I'm not going to put all my pennies in some Kangaroo powered fucking dreamtime spaceship.
We use Schneeberger Swiss www.schneeberger.com/en/products/mineral-casting/
it is the same as they provided to DMG MORI, GF+, HEMLER, DATRON Etc. so it is top class components in the whole machine tool industry. yes, as you said, only some premium CNC companies use it, but we are in now.....
Datron german cnc milling machines come with 60,000 rpm spindle without any torque issues. They specialize in high speed milling.
That good to know. But have you seen the cost of that machine? When comparing CNC machines you must compare apples with apples. A Syil isn't a Haas, A Haas isn't a DMG Mori or an Okuma etc. etc. etc.
Great video as usual, keep up the good work! Aaron
Thank you so much Linda. Anyone reading this needs to stop and go over to check out "Linda's" channel. That way they can recreate and cook the lovely meals that you prepare :-)
Excellent video Aaron
Thanks Keith. Hopefully it will help others 😉
Nice video as usual Aron👌always a pleasure to watch you my friend, keep up the good work!!
Regards
Hey Emanuel how’s it going bud. Trust you’re doing well and had a great Xmas and New Years? Thanks for following along with me. Cheers mate 🍻. Aaron
i know Im quite off topic but do anyone know a good website to watch new series online ?
Very interesting, great video as Always. I am a student at the moment, but when I start to work i think i Will go for a syil or a haas tm1.
Hey chip welder how’s it going? Glad you found the video informative. Nothing wrong with the TM range of CNC milling machines. They’re practically bullet proof. My friend Kevin Lee over in Canada 🇨🇦 has a TM3. Now that’s a beast. Cheers 🍻
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering thx for the reply. I just bought an old slant bed cnc lathe for my last student bucks. :D
Glad to hear to hear that about the TM series. Aint to many videos of them on youtube. Did not now about their exsitence untill recently.
Still might look at Centroid CNC controls as options. Atrump uses them.
Many people are now using the Centroid controller. I’ve never used one before I’d be keen to see one up close 🍻
Thanks for the info
Any time Joseph :-)
It's nice if they reinforce the internal structure with steel, my concern is if you were to dry/mist mill and cause thermal creep and deform the epoxy granite locally. Epoxy glass temperature is very low, some range from 50 to 70C and doesn't take much force to soften it.
Say if you were dry mill and hot chips cumulate in a spot which would ultimately heat that area, how can syil ensure this kind of problem isn't a problem?
Hi Richard. I’m sorry but I can’t answer your question. May I suggest you contact Syil directly with that question. Personally I’d be running flood coolant, or if milling steel compressed air blast. TBH, I don’t foresee a pile of chips staying that hot in a huge pile. However that’s my opinion and not a proven fact 👍
We use Schneeberger Swiss, it is the same as they provided to DMG MORI, GF+, HEMLER, Etc. so it is top class components in the whole machine tool industry.
they now have an option for a fanuc controller and a siemens 828 3 axis controller. they have removed the syntec option
Hey mate. Yeah they’ve got a few controller options to choose from. It all depends on how deep your pockets are 💰 😉
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering if you upgrade to Siemens controller they also upgrade to Siemens drives and servos. It is a complete package upgrade. Correct?
Nice video Azza...nice swag too😉. Single phase, that sounds great.
Hey Sunil how’s things mate. Hope you’ve enjoyed the festive season with your family and friends. I agree, a single phase machine is a good option for the home user market. 👍🍻
@@weldmachine Nope..can't afford anything at the moment.
@@weldmachine Nope..waiting for you to hand me down stuff😉😉
Better get in line Sunil. I’m going to get there first when he falls off the perch. Knowing my luck I’ll kick the bucket first 🤣
I thought I was in your Will 😢
Great vid thanks 🙏🏻 Azza
Hey Charlie. You’re very welcomed mate. Wish I could film 🎥 some off the cool stuff you’re doing over there in WA. 😉 🍻
I do wonder why epoxy is so much more expensive when it’s not that much going into it.
Sorry not sure why. But far superior over traditional cast frames. All high end CNC machines use it. Even ANCA 5 axis CNC tool & cutter grinders use it.
Hi Aaron
That is exciting news especially about the change to an LNC 6800. This will mean a jump in screen size from 8" to 10". The view you showed of the epoxy granite was not that great--- it was full of air bubbles. This is a concern. Care to comment?
Hi John. Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes I think Syil is very innovative for going down this path. No doubt they will have teething problems at the start. The photos where provided to be by Mr. Xushuo from Syil. I also noticed the air bubbles. I can’t explain this, but they appear to be superficial. To my knowledge, Mr. Xu’s and his family own a foundry and I know they have been using epoxy granite for some time and building bases for other named brands. Syil are an OEM. I probably haven’t answered your question. Maybe Syil can input into the conversation??
Great video buddy! That X7 is really sweet. I sure do like the sound of those absolute controllers! I was just thinking that even though the work envelope is a bit smaller than my Pro.....enough that I don't think I could make two of the bigger brackets at one time......with 5HP available and the extra RPMs, I could do one a lot faster. It would save me a good bit of grief with the CAM work too. LOL Do you know of anyone with a channel doing reviews on their lathes?
Hey Mike thanks for following along. No I don’t unfortunately. I agree, they need a good video to showcase their lathe range and capabilities. I’d volunteer for that if they were to send me one 😁
I won’t hold my breath 😑
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering You and me both. lol :)
I’m such a negative Nelly aren’t I 😳
Thanks Aaron, sounds very interesting. I looked at an X7 around the time you got yours and will have a look again.
It would also be awesome to see more information on the Syil lathes.
Hey buddy how's things? Yes the new X7 range looks really good if you ask me. I'd love to get my hands on one of them. To my knowledge all X7's are made at the Syil Ningbo factory, and the lathes were made via another company (down the road) and re-badged. Feel free to reach out to Mr. Xu Shuo via email and he will send you more information on these. He is very friendly and active on social media. Cheers, Aaron.
My syil x5 is single phase. The nameplate claims 40 A or something but that is nonsense. I feed it from a 16 A three phase circuit with only one phase connected.
@@weldmachine LNC5800. Seems ok for me. Nothing fancy but it gets the job done.
Hi Baldur. Does your machine have the umbrella tool changer like mine? I think that is the only reason that my machine is 3 phase. Speaking of power draw, I run my machine off an Australian made rotary phase converter. I've never seen the load meter move of zero. It moves to 3 when I hard start my 3 phase pedestal grinder LOL. Cheers, Aaron.
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering Yes I have the 10 pocket variant of the umbrella tool changer. I also got a tool setter and a wireless probe. I am not using the probe much because it is not really integrated and the macros completely undocumented. Just got a bunch of example files.
Electric motors can have a much higher power draw when they start. But at least here they took that into account for the fuses. A 16A fuse will allow considerably more for a short duration (slow reacting fuses).
My spindle is 2.2 kW but I will get chatter long before the spindle stops. The machine is not really limited by its power but by the rigidity. At least in aluminium, I have not worked much with steel yet.
@@weldmachine If I was rich I would get something 10x as expensive :-) But actually I think the machine matches my skill level. Something more would just be a waste at this point. Also Syil is filling a gab in the market. You could get 10 of these machines for one high end machine.
I am just waiting for Syil to make a 5 axis machine. While I wait I am considering a Syil lathe to go with my mill.
Imagine the toys and shop I’d have if only I could win the lottery 💰 + 💎 + 👙 + 🚗 + 🏍 = 😃 (outcome divorce 🤣).
Thanks for making this video Aaron, I was a bit confused about the new machines before. What you say at the end about manufacturing and supporting your local businesses is so true. I was wondering... are they not offering the touchscreen iPad-like controller anymore? Was that any good? I don't hear about that very much.
G'day Marco. Hey, what are you doing watching my videos? You should be utilizing that free time building or flying your aircrafts (LOL). Cheers mate, Aaron.
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering Ha ha! I'm hard at work designing instrument panel #5 on Fusion as we speak.. I'll send you some pics of what it should look like. It will require major rewiring behind the panel as well. Cheers Bro!
It seems you can also get the new X7 with Sinumerik 808
I mean Sinumerik 828
Yes that is correct they use the 808DA controller 👍
All good I understood what you meant 😉
This is alan montoya from México. Nice video. Could you have a video showing the machine capabilities working with 4140 t Steel or stainless Steel?
Hello Alan. If you join the Syil user Facebook group Charlie from 3D miniature machining has videos of him doing this 👍
Hi, Thanks by the answer. The videos you mention are with the New structure machine(2020). I would like to see the New behaivior with the New structurem im really interested in buy a syil x7 combo.
They are currently under manufacture at the company. Hopefully some new ones will enter the marketplace over the coming months. 😉
Please left your contact info. Thank you
Been trying to ping you on the email in the about your channel. I got a Syil X7 back at thanksgiving, and have modified the LNC tool change macro to accept more than 12 tools.
I'm interested to know more about this!
Hi Michael. I haven’t seen your email come through. Feel free to contact me via Facebook or Instagram messenger. Have you done a video on it by any chance 😉
That’s make 2 of us 😊
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering Sorry don't do either of those platforms. crashn dot bernstein at gmail Fast lane-feel free to use that also
I need my tool changes to move the table to a safe position before doing the tool change. Currently it will do it at whatever position the machine happens to be in when the tool change is commanded. If I have any long tools in the turret that might crash. Syil x5 with lnc5800 and fusion 360. Is there a way to improve that?
How high does your ceiling need to be to run it with the z-axis up though? 1960mm seems very short.
Hey buddy. Standard ceiling height of over here in Australia is approximately 2400mm (2.4m) or 94.5" (7.875 feet). My current Syil X7 milling machine needs a height of 2130mm or 84" to top of Z-Axis column. Not sure of the latest machine, but I think they would be the same. If Syil are reading these comments can you please answer? Cheers, Aaron.
What size are the linear rails and carriages? 20mm?
Uthman Ajala 25m m
SYIL Affordable CNC Machines now that’s what I’m talking about! I gotta own one of these one day! Better get selling!
Thank you for replying SyilCNC 😊
Thanks for watching and commenting Uthman
Have you had any issues running the x7 off the rotary converter?
Hey mate. Absolutely not, no issues ever. I have an Australian made rotary phase converter (PC8 Phase change converters Australia). I run my entire shop off it. CNC, manual lathe & mill, pedestal grinder and drill press. Cheers 🍻
@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering Thank you for the reply!
No worries 👍🍻
I'd like to know if your not with Masso.CNC?
Hi Abram. I am not affiliated with Masso CNC. I had their controller on my manual mill that I converted to CNC. I am good friends with Jatinder (GM of Masso) and I support him wherever I can 😊
Okay what is the price of the new milling machine you have?
Can you answer this please @SYILAffordableCNCMachines
And the price on this syil x7?
May I suggest that you go on -line and request a quote. To my knowledge they are low $20K USD, plus shipping and taxes. I am a Syil owner and user, but I'm not an agent.